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It won't confuse anybody No We're in the off Scott's in Utah Anybody could be in Utah at any moment. It's a state of mind. Mm-hmm. That's what some tell us. That's right Well, Anthony, are you ready to have a little tech news? Absolutely? Let's do it. Yeah, I have never been more ready Tom Let's have some techniques then Has to outdo me at every time God, that's the breaking news right there Starting off with Lenovo some Lenovo laptops reinstall a proprietary driver Updater even after the machine has been wiped reports the next web an ours technical forum user called GE 814 noticed at first and was corroborated by hacker news user chuck up if Windows 7 or 8 is installed the BIOS of the laptop checks for auto EXE and Overrides the file with its own version on boot up it then creates Lenovo update dot exe and Lenovo check dot exe Lenovo took advantage of the Windows platform binary table. That's a system meant to allow things like theft prevention software To persist even if the laptop has been wiped clean by the thief Lenovo issued a patch for this issue this past spring, but it's not automatically installed So you have to go find it and apply it manually if you have a Lenovo in the flex edge GS yoga y or z series you might want to look into this Did they didn't we I swear I'm having deja vu didn't we just talk about the same exact thing or something like it happening with like Oh, you mean when when Lenovo was hijacking your your internet Yeah That's too bad. I don't like that. They're getting a reputation for this I like Lenovo you have a Lenovo. I do my x250 is not affected by this But I feel a little less proud of honing it Well, it's funny because they're always like, you know that in some back room There was a committee of people that was just like this is the best idea This is the best idea because we can make sure that the laptop runs exactly the way it needs to So the idiots have the right stuff and it's allowed look look there There's the Windows platform binary table boss. It's it's totally legit Microsoft even encourages this, right? Yeah, right. It's a meeting everyone get the pizza. We're done. Yeah Who knows I this kind of stuff freaks me out not just because it's dangerous and dumb and bad But because it's so tempting. I don't like how tempted people are especially even in mobile now You have you know people putting their own junk wear on things not because they have to not because it's a better experience for the Consumer but because they can and there's this weird Temptation to just put your big fat stamp on it. So double's advocate here though I mean if you are the sort of person who doesn't check for this sort of thing or doesn't know what this sort of thing is Then you probably are the sort of person that this automatic Lenovo installation software is for right Are we more angry about the fact that people are taking advantage of this or the fact that it's so Easy to do like this thing was clearly just put into Windows and therefore is kind of a vulnerability Which one is making us more angry right now? I'm gonna choose number two for me because yeah I bought an x-series because that's a more pro user series and they didn't do this on that because they know their market well enough it It's bad behavior in a good purpose in this case But it's always you know slippery slopes etc. That gets people upset I'm all good on things being easy to use and more functional for people that maybe aren't as savvy as we are when it Comes to all this stuff. However That usually means they're not going as far as they can for security They're not creating enough ways to update it quickly simply and easily for those same people when something like this vulnerability does come out And that's where my inherent problem is it isn't that this make makes it easier for my mom to do what she needs to do And I'm glad that it does what I'm upset about is that I feel like they kind of half-ass it So it doesn't do it the way it needs to securely enough so people can't take advantage of it And therefore she can't figure out what the crap to do she has to go manually get this I mean forget and also this thing this thing doesn't just update drivers in the background It also pushes software from Lenovo. So it's there's a little bit of a monetization angle here, too It's not a pure Play right well venture beat has something to say. I just like saying venture beat Anyway, they're reporting that Twitter has increased the character limit for direct messages 140 to 10,000 I think that's probably a good jump. We actually heard about this back in June That's when they announced the change and it takes time for developers and third-party apps to adapt So that's what we've been waiting for Users should start to see this change across Twitter iOS and Android apps Twitter comm tweet deck and Twitter for Mac Pretty quickly here and over the next couple of weeks worldwide. So everyone excited for them to become the new They want to become a chat app. They don't want to just be short messages anymore They want to let you go on forever. How do you feel about that Anthony? I think it's great. I think it's great The the limit on public the limit on tweets is obviously good It's what makes the platform what it is But once you once you get into a private conversation with somebody It's actually just more of an annoyance and causes more confusion than anything else because somebody you'll think that I'm done With a statement and then they'll start replying to something that I've only said half of the only thing I'm worried about is as somebody who has a pretty you know I have a larger than normal amount of followers and I keep my DMs open just because I'm a little bit worried about getting like incredibly long walls of spam or weird shit, you know That's my only concern I'm gonna hold most of my comments to our main discussion because we're gonna talk about Twitter and what it's good for it It's what I think is kind of tied into that but overall Yeah, if you've got a runaway right now, and you don't have time to watch the rest of the show TLDR nothing Now you have a third of the opinions Yeah, no, I think Making this ten thousand fine. Why even ten thousand why not just make it a conduit? I guess you have to put a max level on the on the field at some point So ten thousand seems plenty I hope that people are not constantly sending ten thousand letter Hunter Thompson quotes to us Nine to five max mark German reports that a PDF image from a resource file from OS 10 L Kapitan Safari 9 browser shows a split-screen view on an iPad mini also a Developer tool in L Kapitan for testing website design has the option to simulate the iPad mini 3 Running Safari in split view mode weird thing is iPad minis don't support split screen in iOS 9 yet So mark German would like you to bet him a tall cold glass of sasperilla Then a new iPad mini is coming that supports split screen in iOS 9 Also, we're all still pretending that Apple has scheduled a media event September 9th Even though Apple has said no such thing have they not said anything about that No, they have not said that and every outlet is saying Apple's got an event September 9th Cuz John Piszowski who's usually right about stuff says he has a source that says it's gonna be September 9th It's not that I don't believe John, but Apple didn't say it. No actual Yeah, but it makes sense to me that this is probably something coming to all iOS apps And and I even mean like the phone will end up having some sort of split screen outside of what they've already shown It's a little more akin to what the iPad does and the reason I say that is it seems very useful I'm not trying to beta, but people I've talked to really like that feature. So There was a big outcry. Well, what about us mini users or whatever? What about us iPhone 6 plus users people kind of freaked out? I'm not saying they responded to that freak out But I'll bet this was kind of always in the in the books and they just only really had it ready to show on the flagship model So, yeah, I mean eventually, you know, you would think in a year or two It's gonna wind up trickling down anyway as old model as new models become old models So there's no reason not to try to push it I mean, I've had it on it I've had it on jailbroken iOS devices for a really long time and it is it's more useful than you think It's gonna be Smaller screen and no big shocker that iPad mini would get an update at the next announcement Yeah, a real update you mean totally like the last one which was a terrible update This will be an actual update to hopefully performance and other things about that device because that last one the iPad mini 3 Not a good update there. I've said it. Whoa shots fired Scots fired Tom and I have a two-shot bad news bit about big China tech scene here a couple of headlines. All right First Alibaba report to revenue rose 28% the three dollars twenty seven or sorry 3.27 billion Last quarter but analysts want 3.93 billion or 3.39 billion rather according to Reuters Transactions across Alibaba rose 34% with 34% which may sound high But it is actually the slowest growth in more than three years. That's not great At least not for shareholders mobile revenue made up more than half of Alibaba's commercial Retail avan or revenue rather for the first time but mobile is also less profitable in advance of the bad news Alibaba announced it'll be buying a big chunk of Chinese electronics retailer tuning commerce group That's the equivalent of eating a pint of ice cream for a major for global corporation And Reuters says Tencent may ask for a spoon Tencent Holdings most famous for WeChat saw Q2 revenue grow 19% a little below What analysts expected fingers are being pointed at the gaming unit which grew 17% compared to last quarter when it grew 29% Smartphone games grew 11% compared to 82% last quarter But the company did nearly double its quarterly revenue and advertising and overall net income rose 25% in line with expectations So not all bad news for Tencent, but Anthony Carboni. What's going on in China? Man, I don't know. I I've been to Alibaba. I bought some cheap stuff off Alibaba once I'm I'm actually surprised that there that their growth is slowing so much because I've found that in the last year or two More and more people are actually like actually know about it and go to it and sort of it as a as a mono price Equivalent or alternative or US people you're saying. Yeah, exactly more people over here So I'm kind of but I guess US growth in comparison to the rest of the world isn't very important to them What doesn't make that much of a dent? Well, I just went to just for fun while you were talking I went to Alibaba comm and I thought well Let me look and see what I got a hit category and I just kind of randomly clicked and the very first item I got was sexy costumes. Oh, yeah, but sale made uniform costume So clearly I've not been to Alibaba You have not Gotten into the Alibaba cosplay section There's a lot of great stuff. You can get some really good custom-made stuff with enough lead time You can get yourself like I looked up a sweet captain Harlock I looked up like a really good night wing that you can get but you need like six weeks of lead time But they'll totally tailor it to you and send it to you. It's like a hundred and fifty bucks. That's good prices Yeah, I'm looking at it. I'm looking at the night wing right now one thirty five ninety eight My only problem with that night wing is that it's the very it's like the Teen Titans overly purple night wing costume Which wasn't what I was looking for but I'm glad that it's out there, but it's there, right? I think I think this is a great example of how I didn't I didn't even think to go to Alibaba to look for anything I think of it as a Chinese company, right? And it's probably like oh, well, I don't you know I could just go down to the Chinese market and get anything Chinese I want but that's that's not no That's not what you go to Alibaba for And the the slow revenue growth is probably because of the slowing Chinese economy Which is why Alibaba hilariously while everybody in the US is trying to get into the Chinese market Alibaba is like we need to get out of the Chinese market not Withdraw from it, but like be able to sell night wing costumes to people in the US Yeah, pretty much. Hey one quick comment about the gaming Numbers not rising as much as they did last year. That's a huge difference for that company And just kind of in general Anthony, you and I were kind of running gaming circles All I've heard about for the last three or four years is everybody pounding this idea that China is the new emerging gaming market Now US consoles are allowed there. They haven't been for years. They've got new companies springing up all the time They dominate esports in some sectors Do you think that number which again is a kind of a microcosm of an overall market But do you think this spells trouble for gaming growth in China? I think I think there are a lot of complexities Getting into you know, especially with western companies getting into china Because you know like just because you can sell a console in china does not mean that china wants to buy your console Or your games at the prices that you currently sell them They have a very different market over there with very different tastes I mean the whole free to play boom that came over here basically came from the asian market Because that was the model that worked really well over there. So it's for me like just thinking about You know the things that I have knowledge of just thinking about These console companies trying to get into china seems like the most crazy uphill battle that they shouldn't take You know, I don't know. It'll be interesting to see. I don't know It seems to be still seems to be no ending talk and I wonder if we're already maybe hitting a Not a wall that a place where maybe that you know, it's not gonna It's going to be a slower tail for a while and not so explosive Yeah, well even talking about those like the free to play the free to play games or the the games that have micro payments for certain things You know now that western mobile companies have gotten sort of on board with it Um, that thing is that that sort of thing doesn't have as much novelty as it did on mobile a couple years ago to western audiences And so I feel like even that market is getting flooded and players are becoming much more savvy to that strategy Uh to the point where even even the more casual players who play a lot of mobile stuff are getting very stingy with their micro Yeah, I think you're right. The bbc is reporting that highways england in the uk plans to test Electric motorways to get this these charge electric cars as they drive I think this may have been predicted once tom on the old forecast if i'm not incorrect Uh electric cables buried under the road generate electromagnetic fields, which are then picked up by a coil inside the car And then that is converted to electricity using shaped Magnetic field resonance or smfr Highways in england or highways england rather has uh completed a feasibility study and committed to non public road trials by 2016 2017 Full details will be publicized once the contractor has been appointed But that's exciting news if you got your electric I suppose. Yeah Yeah, they do this in uh Goomy korea for about 12 kilometers of the bus lines Already so the idea that this could get rolled out even farther Anthony this seems like a good we have concerns type topic. Uh, we actually talked about some stuff like this A few weeks ago. Uh, this is not the first time we've seen this sort of idea There have been things with um even sort of friction micro motors and and little things where um Just the turbulence and the changing weight on a car can charge turbines, which can help put power back onto the grid We're seeing a lot of roads that are built out of solar cells and solar panels that are being put into testing And I think this is all really kind of awesome technology And I'm glad that there's practical tests being done of it But it's very very a lot of this stuff kind of disappears after a couple years Or becomes something where they realize that it's not as cost-efficient as they thought it was or it doesn't work in the infrastructure As much as they thought it could um So I get really excited about road technology stuff But I fully expect it to sort of fade away in a really kind of pessimistic way But I'm glad that more and more of these different kinds of technologies are being put on the table If we can get to the point where we have you know, there was this uh, uh, Dutch company that's creating modular roads that actually have you know You think about the pbc pipes that you put into your walls now So you can run things like ethernet cable and stuff like that and quickly switch it out You've got things where they're building these building block roads where you can run cables and things like that and quickly pull them up and down So imagine a modular road Surface that's a solar panel these kind of turbines underneath it and now you're starting to talk about things that can actually Work and put enough power back into the grid and back into our cars, but it becomes very expensive Yeah, and you don't just think of it and then put it out and make it work You have to test it and it has to fail a lot Before you finally get to the point. You're like, okay now we know how to make it work So it may be a while, but I'm glad they're trying Yeah Engadget reports qualcomm announced today that graphics will run 40 faster in its next flagship cpu The snapdragon 820 It's got the adrino 530 gpu inside that will also apparently be 40 percent more power efficient At least that's what they claim qualcomm says its new gpu will be ready for next generation uses of virtual reality So they're pitching it for vr and will serve as an upgrade to the snapdragon 602 a which is meant for cars So it's going to be multi-purpose. They want to get it inside automobiles as well It'll also have a spectra camera imaging unit with a wider range of colors and hybrid Autofocus framework so you get smoother and even more specific digital zoom Well, the verge is reporting that steven ross owner of the miami dolphins Not really. I don't care about the No, i had that he's from florida, but doesn't care about sports. So it's okay. No sports. It's fine Has invested $1 million in a drone racing league called um the drone racing league Perfect all your minds, but yeah pretty simple name The league's racist small drones that can fly as fast as 70 miles per hour and use first person view racing So the pilot can see where the drone is headed The league is racist small drones That's exactly it racist small drones. Well, I think this is a terrible idea Oh wait, I think it says races Oh, all right, because it does seem a little counter to today's culture Anyway a trial run with six pilots in a warehouse in yonkers I don't why that made me laugh Was held earlier this summer the first public races planned for later this year and then tom then I want the battle ones I want the battle drones like Yes, we want them fighting in the air and then there's some kind of close safe arena on the sea Like never sure entering battle drones battle bots same thing just You know mit nerds get together and they build a drone that destroys other drones You know, they did one of these at the state fair in california and 60 people showed up They blame the heat I they got to figure out how to make it easy for you to watch it and enjoy it I know nascar has done stuff like that and they're looking at what nascar does to provide The view of drones, but at that point then why would I go out in the heat to watch it? And I could just watch it streaming, but I think I think it's got potential there, right? Yeah, I think you have to look at you know You look at nascar and and what makes nascar work is the human element of of the drivers and and sort of putting the Drivers as the as you know as athletes and as spokespeople And I think if the the drone leagues kind of look at That and look at esports and the way the teams take the front uh the sort of the the the uh the front facing whatever How do you humanize a drone though? We're also bored of drones and we all if we're not bored of drones We kind of hate drones right because you either have this military association Or you have this gopro association and you're kind of like I don't know I don't know if I want to go watch drones for an hour and a half You got to make it about the pilots, right? Yeah, and then and then build up their stories so that you care about which quadcopter ends up winning the race Yeah, you got to turn it into what we won't really want, which is mech battles Like you gotta find a way Yeah, you got to just you got to figure out a way to make it make me think i'm watching yagers One what i'm actually watching is quadcopters with nerf pellets and like I don't know how you do that, but do it Or just get to yagers. Yeah, get to yagers. I'm I'm there get to yagers Uh a little inside baseball, but it affects the sources we rely on for tech news NBC universal has announced they will invest 200 million dollars in vox media That's the parent company of both the verge and recode NBCu and vox will collaborate on digital advertising. So just just a note keeping the back of your mind mbcu Big investor now in verge and recode and comcast owns mbcu Has a doesn't it remind you just a tiny bit of uh ms mbc back in the day ms mbcu recode A little bit expect to see me light patella and see mbc a bunch. That's what I bet all I can think of is that jokin bojack horseman where vanity fair is run by like is run by uh, like mbc universal comcast via com bane cyber nine Trader joes omni megacore trader joe it does end with trader joes though, doesn't it? Yeah Uh, we get news. We got lots of news. We got the lenova news from our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit dot com So get in there and let us know what you'd like us to discuss on the show Uh, you all seemed very interested in what pork chop d clown posted Which said in his headline google registered abc dot xyz so microsoft registered abc dot wtf And pointed that url to redirect to bing dot com Did microsoft do that? Well the ip address in the domain name registration points to a microsoft server But the registrant info is private microsoft told search engine land quote microsoft Did not buy this domain and is not involved in the redirect to bing dot com bullshit Bullshit that's a pretty flat denial These are the people that did like screw gold and they do like all these There's one dude with a popped collar inside of microsoft who comes up with all of this like petty shit that they do And that guy totally bought that. Why does he have a popped collar? Oh, he has a popped collar. You think he doesn't? I think he's gonna get in trouble Unless he's gonna get in trouble sacha the popped collar also implies that he's someone's nephew. He's never getting in trouble It's a really good point Habitia consuela dulce habituera condulce but good shot. Thank you I might my phonetic spelling did not really work out. Anyway posted a great article from technically dot uh technically which is technical Dot ly about nyc mesh dot net an organization built Uh or building a decentralized mesh network across new york city members need only whoa, where'd that go? Need uh something moved. What happened there? Oh, yeah members need only by the hardware to join Mesh networks connect nodes directly to each other So it works even if the internet happens to be down and yc mesh has 17 nodes right now Compare that to gulfi dot net or goofy. How do you say that g u i f i? Gweefy Gweefy g u i f i yeah i'm uncomfortable with all pronunciations of that name in spain Which is probably why why which has more than 29 000 nodes In the iberian peninsula and is expanding worldwide. So uh, they got a lot I love this stuff the fact that somebody's got almost 30 000 nodes going on a mesh network is big news to me Because I feel like the solution to most of our internet management problems are some kind of decentralization like this And we've seen this a couple times in the last like five ten years where somebody will show up at ces with one of These things where it's like by the box get on the get on the network share the wi-fi with everybody And i'm just waiting for one of these to catch on What do you what do you think it is that's going to make one of these finally catch on? Well more nodes, right tom. Yeah, but how do you get people to buy them? How do you get more nodes, right? Yeah I don't know. See the problem is to to evangelize it. You need to have some working examples Maybe we all have to pay the problem is americans don't pay attention to what spain's doing unless they're falling apart I've always said that I mean we don't seriously it that doesn't matter that only matters to us who won it first But if spain's got 30 000 nodes, then it starts to take off once it takes off somewhere Then it's liable to spread everywhere eventually So what is the difference between internet in spain and internet here in terms of quality in terms of number of people Connected in terms of what what is it about spain that made it take off? Probably this cost, you know spain's economy has been growing more slowly than the u.s And I imagine that access is is easier to get by buying one of these once and then being able to talk to your friends And somebody must have connected it to the internet that I didn't check on that's something that the nyc mesh is trying to get together There's a red hook initiative in brooklyn that does connect to the internet. It's trying to get off the ground as well With free wi-fi. It's not exactly a mesh, but that I think that's the answer Anthony Somebody has to hook this up into the internet in a legitimate way So that you can then just surf the internet all you got to do is buy something if if they come to you and say Hey, you buy this hundred dollar device and then you can connect to the internet Then that's all you need Yeah All right more nodes. I'm in I'm in I'm in more nodes to your idea. I think more of that's All right, so uh, we had the news about 140 character minimum on twitter We had some other news today about an api that twitter has made available for brands to use where they can get access to Everything ever posted on twitter. There's more than a billion Of those out there 500 i'm sorry 500 billion more than 500 billion posts twitter Has a problem though they have a problem with their ceo Which jack dorsi is trying to address by buying a bunch of shares in his own company earlier this week He's the interim ceo of twitter right now. They've got a problem with monetization Which this this api is addressing by saying hey We're we've got a service for brands to spend money with us and they have a problem with monthly active users And that's what I guess the 140 character Minimum lift is is hey get in here and use twitter more as your messaging client But I don't think I think those of us who already use twitter like that they raised the limit But I don't think it's going to make people suddenly drop facebook messenger or whatsapp or whatever To go use twitter as their messaging client. So what is twitter good for anthony? We heard your tldr version Why do you think it's good for nothing? I think it's well, it's not good for nothing for the average person It's probably not good for much. It's good for me I have a lot of things that I put out for public consumption and I get to announce them and I get to do You know do things like that. It's good for businesses because businesses get to push their messaging Um the average person though like especially younger people are moving to things that are more like More like instagram or snapchat or something like that where they have a little bit more They have a little bit more control over who's talking to them And they have a little bit more freedom and flexibility in how much they get to say Just in terms of like raw amount of time or data or whatever they get to they get to push forward Um So I don't know I don't know what twitter offers somebody That you can't really get somewhere else Well, let's talk about what it offers to say one of your average followers. So There's all these classifications. There's you and me and tom where a lot of what we use twitter for is this communication This engagement with audiences with people consume things we make and And so on but then there's that audience and twitter to them is I don't know how to find out that We have concerns just posted something rad because I forgot about it. I didn't check my app yet But anthony just told me on twitter therefore I got the kind of use I wanted out of that thing And then there's this other group that just wants to follow I don't know celebrities or whatever and then Then you start to get into an area where I I don't have an answer either I don't know what else I don't know what else the where else the value is now tom we talked earlier back and forth a little bit about Breaking news and people on the ground in certain situations and uh, you know, suddenly A riot breaks out oftentimes the only people you're going to really get real photos from and real reactions from Are people that were at the mall where the riot started or whatever? And you know those that seems like socially valuable to me more than just you know What's what's one of the Kardashians up to today? Yes, that's a good point And it's being used for emergency alerts a lot This is something I don't hear a lot of people talking about but I noticed I was reading a bbc news article late last week about And I can't remember if it was the Myanmar floodings or if it was some some other Public emergency and in the course of the article without remarking on it as being anything unusual They said uh the ministry posted to twitter some information that was important to the public And I realized that has become the norm is that you let the public know By posting it to twitter, you know and and not just in the united states in a lot of places in the world So I looked up today like has there been anything like that? I found a Houston chronicle article talking about a gunman in missouri city texas Who is being searched for after a shooting and they announced the search on twitter? And that's what the houston chronicle reported the search for the government was announced on twitter So it it's sneakily like yeah, they have monetization issues and yeah, they have active usage issues But it's becoming sort of a broadcast platform For important information As well as stupid information. I'm not saying it's just important information But it is being used that way and I know uh, we have several los angeles area Accounts the sheriff's department venice 311 that work the same way And it's interesting to think that facebook really could have had that except They they started Really over filtering and over sort of like messing with your feet algorithmically because they were worried about spam And they sort of had that position they could have taken that they could have been the thing that pushes me these updates And they sort of I don't know if they fumbled that I don't know if it was better for them in the long run But what it says to me is that? Something that has a little more engagement than twitter could steal that position from twitter very easily if they wanted to Yeah, well in the big enough hands, but it's interesting the more we've talked about this the more I've come to maybe a bit of a conclusion in my head to answer the ultimate question Is what is twitter good for today in 2015? And maybe it's that it's good for about a billion different things to about a billion different people And whether or not that means a big increase monthly of users or whether or not they can monetize properly probably has Zero impact on what I think about this, but what I think is happening is It's good for me the day after game of thrones are during its airing to My friends are saying so it's good for that dumb thing And then it's good for somebody to talk about something that's happening that's relevant to society on the ground Like I talked about before and on the other hand it's good for All of us to sort of engage in when say the republican or democratic debates are happening And while the NBA finals right finals, whatever whatever it is that you have this interest in you're going to gravitate toward A thing it does create more kind of a loan together kind of scenarios But I still think that maybe that's where its power is it's it's a very simple 140 characters you input it like this there's a million apps you get them like that and you're done There's no other like facebook's like well, all right There's there's our feed, but then there's a trillion other things to worry about plus the algorithmic problems you're talking about which I agree with But with twitter is just simple and that simplicity I feel like all these other things that the conversations that crop up around it Are in response to that and wouldn't be there if they tried to make it something More complicated or something that was more Tuned to selling you something or whatever I think it has to kind of be what it is or else it becomes completely irrelevant because none of Us will care about using it to talk to each other Yeah, yeah, and I think you know, I can sort of a I can sort of agree with that because When I was doing a lot more when I was when I was doing a lot more daily reporting It became my rss replacement in a lot of ways, right? So I think that's the thing is it's like if it is if it is this Multi-tool, maybe the problem is not that the twitter doesn't have something that it's useful for but it's like How do you communicate that it's a multi-tool for everybody? Do you say it's a chair that works? Well I mean you it's a great way for like, okay So just today we were talking about this a year ago Robin Williams death was reported and I heard about it first on twitter before any news organization picked it up Now some would say well, I get that from reddit I go to reddit and get news that nobody has yet that may be true But reddit has yet to give me a good simple Quick excuse to have an app on a phone that I can quickly glance at and see what's happening or get a notification about I mean there are ways, but it's not it's not that universal way So I really do think that it's a it's a simplicity issue and without it's an organizational issue Almost a user interface issue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Listen 10,000 characters though There's a lot in dm in dm In just dm does mean does have an impact for me because I do have a lot of communication with friends through dm I don't have it open the way anthony does although I've considered it before But now I feel like that's actually going to be a more That's going to be a better way for me to talk to some of these people I work with and collaborate with Then before because now I can actually say stuff without saying, you know A little continue icon at the bottom or try to follow this thread of 10 things to say so It's a more natural way of communicating. Yeah that part. I'm actually kind of excited about just from my own workflow I don't know how the public will see it though Well in a beautiful demonstration of selection by us today I asked on a facebook google plus and twitter what people thought twitter was good for the people on twitter said I think it's good for finding out about things Like this is going to be your topic on daily tech news show and google plus said I don't care about twitter and facebook said I only use facebook so there you go Uh pick of the day comes from our co-executive producer howard in south jersey as a follow-up to allison charitans hate of powerpoint on a show a while back Uh wanted to recommend the book presentation zen by gar reynolds and presentation secrets of steve jobs by tech tv's money machine host carmine gallo He's not host anymore said i've found if I plan my presentations with note cards Convert those to outlines and then don't jump into any software until I have the talk fully fleshed out The slides become visual support and not bullet points if you're someone that has to give a lot of presentations These two books are highly recommended. Thanks for the pick man. Nice. Yeah, I always like to click recommendations Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com and you can find mine at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Starting off our messages with a quick correction I kept saying over and over to my own embarrassment yesterday that last pass made you pay to get two-factor authentication Lots of people wrote in including insert weather and funny bits and pieces febriest From marseille france You get several two-factor authentication options on the free tier including google authenticator and aughty and microsoft authenticator And then if you pay for the premium you can do More options like ubiki or a fingerprint reader and smart cards So thank you for brice and everybody else for clarifying that I feel much better about it to be honest And then we got a call from big jim. He has an idea Of a company. He thinks that the new alphabet Should acquire. Hey tom. Hey jenny. Hey roger. What's up scott? Is that? It's anthony carboni This is big jim coming at you live from just outside of hanger 18 and pleasant evening date in ohio I just got done listening with the yesterday's show with patrick and quite honestly It was really interesting patrick wants uber and everything so he can find service providers Specifically he was talking about a plumber that he had issues with You know and I started thinking about it. There's a company that's been doing this for a really long time They take customer input. They take customer reviews as a ranking system. Everybody uses them They start with an a No, not amazon angie's list angie's list has been around a really long time. It's a publicly traded company So then I started thinking well Wait a minute all of that data wouldn't that make them a prime target? So who would buy angie's list? Well, my first thought was probably the same first thought as everybody amazon The other thought I had was well, what about alphabet alphabet would make a lot of sense and well Honestly, they need an a company so this would work out really well Plus they'd get all that data and then of course if you think about alphabet You got to think about facebook because facebook now wants to have Companies ranked with a special badge if you review in a certain amount of time So those were just my thoughts and just maybe my two cents on what I think could be a potential suitor What do you guys think? Do you think there is a market out there to buy an angie's list? I'd forgotten all about angie's list. I'll be honest. Yeah I'm not entirely sure what angie's list is well, it's it's it's a list of Preferred providers for things like plumbers and and home improvement And I think they've they've expanded beyond just that kind of thing But you can be sure that you're getting a good person because it's rated by the other people in the service And you have to pay a little money to get access to it. Yeah, it's a lot It's like yelp for restaurants except not it's not exactly like that But it's the same it's the same hope is that you're gonna go there and find out that all the highest rated plumbers Are gonna come work on your toilet. I'm not sure that's the same It's not quite the uber the uberfication of the service industry that I think patrick was perhaps arguing for My problem with the whole plumber idea is that I don't think whereas everybody needs rides all day for different things Or everyone needs groceries or things picked up at stores or restaurants and brought to them That's a very common all-day kind of experience. I don't know that plumbing Is that way even in major cities every minute of the day? So I don't know that you'd get the same kind of People so how do they how do you get accredited plumbers on that list and not just dudes with a Honda? It's different Yeah, well, there are things like there are things like handy and other services and apps like that already that are supposed to kind of send these people and they're supposed to be kind of vetted by whoever's running it, but I don't know. I think you're right. I think it's kind of fragmented and I don't know if there's as much need for it and I don't know vetted by who is what it really comes down to and I think engines list is expensive Like the fact they have to pay to get the information is what they are being disrupted by It was something like handy I'd be willing to use that because I if I trust that they you know And by the way, some accredited plumbers drive Honda's Scott. Let's not throw them all under the bus Even if it is a Honda bus, but you know if I'm trusting that they're allowed to I'm trusting that handy is sending me a good plumber that I'm going to use that because it's free I mean, I know I know I'm going to pay for it on the back end But with what I pay to them to get the plumber out, but I don't have to pay to find the plumber And I think that's the problem with something like Angie's list these days Yeah, right because why am I why am I paying for a monthly access to a thing That I don't need when I can pay like the 10 premium or whatever uber style Yeah, yeah, it just feels like just to cap this I would say it just feels like today We should be better at Those kinds of things whether it's through something in Angie's list or a yelp style thing or something That tells us that these plumbers are good. Those are average. Those are bad This mechanic is great. Don't talk to those other guys. I feel like we should be better at that by now There's still nothing like is this a count any good? Does that dentist suck? Like I don't feel like we have a handle on that stuff at all But we sure know which you know starbucks has the best triple Poop a latte or whatever do we Just turn into Andy Rooney for a second Well and people swear by Angie's list. I don't want to drag them down Sergeant muffin in the chat room Says they've gotten many good quality leads as a contractor through Angie's list So it's not like that's a bad service, but our more people getting Good leads through Angie's list than they do through Something like yelp or something like that, right? Like our more people Is there a higher rating of satisfaction for the money as I think what they need to prove? Yeah, no, I think that's yeah, absolutely That's it And finally hope for htc from guy from trinidad. He points out htc is very early to the vr market with vive It's got a lot of positive buzz It is too early to bet the profitability of your company on vr And we don't know how this market will play out in the next few years, but hey, it's a possibility Right no one's no one's too. No one's too market I wish everybody would stop saying that people are first to market for vr the like what you can get right now is you can get a samsung gear And uh, you can get a google cardboard and that's what's on market right now Everything else is available for developers And is available for pre-order and is not finished and is not out and we haven't seen We haven't seen anything. We've seen demos. Nobody is to market folks You can get this right here this card which once you go with yeah That's what you can get no although the the people who have reviewed the vive came away impressed, but you're right It's not on sale yet all these are as developers or thirdly looks at this stuff gc or whatever We don't know anything until november, which is when we're supposed to see the vive It may impress us and may blow us away, but i am i'm totally with you We gotta well, what am i saying i'm basically earmarking 400 bucks for that damn thing and they haven't even Dude i'm ready to have three Different vr headsets in my house. I'm ready for my wife to leave me. It's going to happen. It's fine But i don't have a virtual life It's yeah, exactly. I could have three different ones on three different platforms That's what's beautiful about it the thing is like i am fully prepared I am the sort of person that is ready to buy three of these things and turn out Unhappy with all of them and i'm ready for all of them to maybe flame out in a year And not have anything for them except a weird hobbyist market I i'm really like i want everybody to get psyched about vr But at the same time i also feel like i have to kind of temper everybody's excitement for vr a little bit You know i mean htc does need to pick me up these days so yeah You know we we also are so far from mainstream Picking this thing up if you saw that time article you realize that this we are just at that weird stage of This needs to now make sense to people who walk in walmart and decide to make a purchase decision It's not gonna it's not for us where we're on the cutting edge of the enthusiast crowd So we're people are worried the people who are worried that they're going to look stupid in vr, which they are It's not a worry. It's the truth. You look dumb in vr If anybody's watching you their their fears were certainly not quelled By the palmer lucky cover that came out last no right like that's not nobody's feeling better about vr after that So it's still a big question mark for anyone who's getting into it Well that is it for a fabulous show. Thanks everybody for sticking around and joining us. Uh, mr. Scott johnson Where if people wanted to find more of you should they go they should as always report immediately to frogpants.com There's much happening there We got a we're starting to see a steady flow of all the edited and now ready to view photos from their Tacular if you weren't able to go and you want to take in some of that and see some really fantastic photos of all three of us And jenny, uh, you can uh, there's there's just starting to happen like crazy So I would definitely check that out. I'll be starting to post more of that Uh, other than that there's a million projects. I got that book going. There's a million things So just follow me on that twitter. We're not sure what to do with at scott johnson And uh, I am a fan of we have concerns. It's a fantastic show You all should go to we have concerns.com if you're not already subscribed and subscribe right now What do you have to add to that anthony carbony? Uh, right after this wraps, uh, well about an hour after this wraps I'm going to be on twitch.tv slash the attack, uh for the attack live with kevin perrera Um, I'm also got some new stuff coming up on my youtube this week, which is youtube.com slash a carbony The tv show is three scientists walk into a bar. That is facebook.com slash three scientists We do science news and videos every day and uh, just catch me catch me in virtual reality Catch me in my virtual reality brothel When uh, when the new when third life launches in vr Absolutely. 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I've been I've been backing up I've been backing away from the mic tazande style on that get on that mic Get ready. You don't need to chocolate rain that stuff anymore. Oh, I can do whatever I want All up in there go No, thanks for having me on today, man. Hey, yeah, thanks for being on that was great. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was a really good convoked Uh, we stick around and chat with the audience while I edit But you don't have to and especially because I know you got stuff to go prepare for Yeah, I gotta jump off whenever you need to okay I got a few minutes and then I got to jump off and see if see if uh kevin's here Yeah, tell kevin. I said hello. We'll do been forever. I think I ran into him at a ces a couple years ago Yeah, this whole place is kind of this whole place is kind of interesting super creative cool, man Yeah, yeah, I think he was in the planning stages for this when I saw him then So it's cool to see that it's actually come to fruition. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, they're doing a lot. They're doing a lot of stuff here. There's fruit. There's so much fruit Oh, that's heavy on the vine Heavy on the vine. What are we gonna call this show? Heavy on the vine Thoughts Actually, your chat room has some thoughts Uh Lenovo always has your back dot dot dot your access Easy or safe pick one Um The road to malware is paved with good intentions The blood of the uh, yeah Twitter is over 9 000 Uh scott's fired Um Right. I like that one Yeah, but it sounds like we fired scott and that's not what it Men you gotta gotta have the setup for that one. That's good seo though People are gonna click that What? We're an seo free company. How dear Twitter the new google plus Wow talk about shots fired. Yeah I cannot Stop looking at alibaba listings There's so much good stuff on alibaba. No one even knows dude And the best part is everything no matter how innocent it is. Here's a scratch cat thing But the descriptions all have wholesale cat trees sex pet products toys like they sneak in Sex words and just for seo speaking of that is insane. Someone's using it for something It's just like, you know, uh, roger told me last night on like roger tweeted last night I had no idea that you can get like various instruments on mono price like I knew they had like some electric guitars, but he was like i'm buying a violin on mono price. I was like, oh, I saw that. Yeah, yeah Really you can do that alibaba is like that except nothing on there should surprise you That's amazing. You can literally search for anything and have it It's zombo calm. It really is It really really is like everything like seriously. I was looking for like cheap production monitors And I was like, I bet I bet they have something on alibaba or like I don't want to use my ipad as my teleprompter anymore So I wanted a cheap android tablet. Oh And it's like, oh, yeah, they got those they have like 40 android tablets And if you buy 10 of them, they'll take it down to 30 and you can just like you can shoot them like skeet or something I don't know I don't know what you do with a crate of 30 android tablets, but it's amazing Yeah, you probably do skeet shoot them probably. Yeah That's your business You can get the gun you can get the gun and you can get the skeet launcher on alibaba too You can't get the gun. I bet you could I bet you could get something close enough to get it through customs though You market gift for my nephew Use that old ebay trick I see When I was in college, there was a guy and there was a farmer in the Czech Republic Who sent us absinthe and he would market gift for my nephew every time. No kidding. Yep That's hilarious It was a gift. Yeah. All right. I need a title. Do we have a a consensus? There's some people in the chat that have put some good ones like I can have three wives. That's a great title I can have three different wives um Are they all scrolled by they're all dr nothing We'll go to showbot.tv because the ones they put in the chat room all get collected at showbot showbot.tv RTV Oh, no vo That's funny Oh, no, oh showbot You go to shaman.tv and then you're talking the thing Yeah, I'm jumping on the thing. I'm looking at Jenny. Do you have a fave racist small drones? No, yes I dare you I dare you to title this episode racist small drones Yeah, I won't take that dare. I bet you won't do it. I bet you won't do it. You're right. You had your goddamn baby I am I am a big huge baby Uh, Lenovo's big chuck up. It's kind of funny. Yeah, big chuck up is good Chuck ups. Okay. Congratulations I am ready for my wife to leave me. There are things that come out of my mouth you guys Yeah, out of context. That's some rough business right there. Uh People that's what twitter is good for is for people quoting things back to you that you said on a podcast that you don't remember And then you go, oh, okay. I am history's greatest monster. That's fine I mean they sound more innocent in your head Yeah, sure. And then they're then you've said them and they're gone They don't hurt anybody anymore. Do they no, they don't they're just that you say them and they disappear They go off into the ether They don't exist anymore So I kind of like the Lenovo one at the top Which which one is at the top? Lenovo always has your back door access Everyone in the chat saying like you should go for the racist title. Sure. I bet they are I thought these people were your bosses, Tom And they are each of them one five thousandth of a boss We need a unanimous five thousand votes Yeah, everybody go to show bot and vote for the racist one right now before before jenny puts in the back door title Oh Too late already exporting nightmare people Yeah, I am too scared. I have no problem with that That's fine. I'm not allowed to title my own podcast I'm freezing Jeff writes all the titles. Yeah, like don't you dare. I'm like, oh, I got ideas I got big ideas We're going all the way Uh tvz gone your racist drone is my favorite. They might be giant song I like that one too actually it's a good song I found a copier for an office. It's an office quality copier big industrial copier for sale in oligoba That makes sure the word boobs and sex were in the description. Yeah, that's amazing Quad copter there is magic happening over there Wow, that's a whole new world So what happens if you just put yeah, what happens if you just search boobs on olibaba? Everything comes up like literally everything. Let's see. This is the problem There are some kids toys in here like actual toys for kids That are all in all other ways and descriptions just toys for kids in the kids toys category That have sex words in them. So it would be actually impossible for people to search for toys For sex toys, but yeah, we're either side of it. You can write. Yeah, even if you want boobs on olibaba You can't find it because you're gonna get copy machines. Right. That's a problem. That is that's not that doesn't work Uh, also by the way racist small drones is now number one on showbots. So that's great That's great that you you're on the wrong side of history here I'll live with it Uh another j martin says new to new tms segment scott buys stuff from olibaba. Oh, yes You should totally do that. Absolutely. I might have to do that. You just be a monthly segment You can make it a patreon level. So it pays for itself. Oh god And it's all super cheap like the stuff in here is like nothing. It's great. Yeah It feels so black marketing to me everything about i'm what i'm looking at just feels like i'm getting Speaking of racist Yeah, I mean, it's not black market, but i'll tell you this uh, it's not It's not good It's not good that it exists. It's gray. It's a gray market It's um and in multiple definitions of the word. I think yeah Um, it's certainly not showing your support for workers rights or anything Yeah You're not buying american. Yeah Uh dark redeemer says that uh, he never knew that you were so racist against racist titles, tom You're racist against creativity. I am not you're racist against comedy the creationist. Oh wait, that's a different thing. You're a creationist i'm just a coward You could go to night attack and enjoy all these kinds of titles And I appear on that show something for everyone. Yeah Tom actually tom actually shaves he's The evil twin is the clean shaven twin When he goes on night attack you're trying to say brushwood is me in disguise Uh Actually, I've never seen you clean shaven I wonder if you I wonder you and brushwood probably do look uh pretty related He's more he's in better shape than me though. Just google was out loud Or just um, no beard or I have photos I have a I have a rule where I don't because I don't want people doing this with me Uh, I don't look up anything anybody's done. Uh farther back than three years ago I feel like that's good. I feel like that's a good way to go. You just have that hard coated into your google cookie Like yeah, there are years Forget it. There are some things we're like. Hey, we all had to start somewhere Or we all started with a certain level of talent or a certain level of knowledge and it's like, let's just leave that See and then on the other hand I took my austin cable access shows that I did in 1996 and I posted them on vimeo because I have no shame Apparently I have some shame, but not that kind of shame Only recent I have I have all this stuff and I and I think it is I don't search for it But I think most of the stuff I've done is still is still out there even like the super early stuff Dave dude and go on the lamb and nobody would know who you were anymore. No one would know No, it's really a big difference. Like you look at older photos of you or on video or something without a beard And it's like who the hell is that? It was that you? No Not me it's like Jeff canada gotta go Oh wow somebody put in the chat like a like a very young tom you've got kind of a david hide pierced thing going on Oh, yeah, what is that? Oh, yeah, that's a that's an early cnet Yeah mid-2000s cnet thing very associate professorship That's kind of accurate Yeah, that's okay. There was uh, I was on uh, a buddy's podcast a little while ago that's a like a big sort of Joke anti podcast like everything they do is horrible on purpose Their thumbnail was like my first headshot Oh, man, which is still pretty high up in the google ranks If you look if you if you google image search me and it's bad Let me see there's worse pictures of me on the internet. Many of them photoshopped Here's one of anthony just with talking about grand theft auto 5 must have been the announcement here. I'll put it Oh, that's probably a d news We did a d news about grand theft auto 5 and violent video games and how everybody who says that they destroy minds are Fucking full of shit By the way beatmaster says Because it says as your standard and practices officer. I agree with your decision even though I voted for the title Oh, okay. Yeah, that's very official Eh people who think games are too violent should get their asses kicked. Yeah Not the same jackets right good rich kick those people in the junk right Curb kick kick them or not very violent. I'm man. I have a typo Hate that. Oh, what you come on. Yeah, I know that's only this guy that one that you put in there Is that's only from like a year and a half ago. Let me see if I can find something really bad. There's some uh There are definitely some pictures of me in cheetah paint Like body painted to look like a cheetah because that was an episode of bite jacker that we did those pop up That's that's never gonna go away um Yeah Oh my lord That's you. Yeah Okay, this is going up. I was in a Check this out chat Pipe and smoke it that's amazing. That was in a cat. That was in a calendar. That was in a charity calendar for quite nice Gaygamer.net. Yeah That's great They they were like will you be in this this men of gaming calendar? And I said I'd only do it if I could do it in cheetah body paint like as a joke Um, but it was on twitter I was like I'll only do it if I can do it lounging covered in cheetah body paint head to toe and they were like Okay, we're gonna hire a body painter and I was like to shea So that's what well played twitter's for that sort of thing for that. Yeah, uh, we finally get to the bottom In this one in this shot you look like a theme gang from the uh, what was the step movie in the 70s the warriors Look like one of the warrior gangs there. Oh, wow Yeah, look at that That's pretty good Oh, that that cheetah one that you put in was pretty is pretty tame There's uh There are way more embarrassing cheetah ones. Here we go Well, I have to say now I know That if you want to get anthony carbone to stay through the entire post show Make sure to talk about cheetah body paint cheetah body paint I got a lot of that you can get the best cheetah body paint on alibaba And you get it for you get it like in a big you get it in bulk And they send it to you buckets. Yeah, it takes like four to six weeks But it's the best deal on cheetah body paint. They roll it up on your front lawn. Here you go, sir Your cheetah body paint. It's not full of wet shengen. Bye It's a gift for your nephew, I see try to jokes Well, that's it. Thanks everybody for watching Hey, thanks guys. Bye. Bye now. And goodbye