 No, I have no answer for that. In a million years, it won't matter, Tom. Do you mean to spell Mardi Gras wrong? Yeah, because I don't know how to spell it. Do you want me to spell it right for you? Yeah, because you're you're you're a you're a little A.C.D. A.C.D. O.C.D. about this. I am. I am. I'm glad you did it. I have no problem with it. Well, these also serve as our show notes. I think that's the other reason I get all O.C.D. You don't want people going. Why did they spell that with a U? Mardi Gras. Mardi Gras. Gras. What if you just called it Mardi's Fra? It's Fat Tuesday. Mardi means Tuesday. Gras means fat. When is Fat Tuesday? It's coming up, right? Yesterday. Oh. Oh, yesterday. Yes, happy. Hope you all had a nice Mardi Gras. Today's not Tuesday. You're right. You know, actually, a few of my friends from New Orleans like posted stuff yesterday that I was like, I guess they're just in New Orleans or something right now. Yeah, what are you doing? No, today's Ash Wednesday and I'm giving up postmates delivery food for Lent. I remember for something and one of my makeup artists had, you know, I was like something on your forehead and she was like, like, that's not funny. And I'm like, what? You have something on your forehead? That smudge or something? It was Ash Wednesday. Oh. I wasn't and I wasn't being funny. I was like, you just didn't realize something on your forehead. Yeah, something I would have done. I was just, I think I asked too many questions in Catholic school, but I was like, where do the ashes come from? And they said like they burned these special pipes or something. Oh, like the actual ashes, not the metaphor, not the metaphor behind the ashes. Where do the ashes come from? And I also wanted to know who made the holy sacraments, right, before you dunk it in the oil. I thought the ashes came from the palm fronds from Palm Sunday. Oh, do they? I don't know. That's why I was asking questions. That's what I was always told by Father Schmidt. I remember, have you ever gotten the communion before they're dunked and they're like holy sacraments? They're just the bread. They look like little styrofoam wafers. That's how they, that's how they are. I know, but you have to. Tom, I meant to ask you this earlier. Did you read the email from, well, the email that was about how to-factor authentication would be helpful for security cameras? Oh, yeah. I thought we could sort of go kind of from the discussion into like, hey, you know, speaking of... Oh, yeah, just pop it there below the notes. Perfect. Yeah, I like that. And I figured it would be like... Put it in mail bag and we'll just... We'll hit it. We'll hit it how we hit it. Yeah, yeah. We'll do a, I'll get rid of all the space. We'll hit it. I can hit that. Mail. All right, it's time to start the show. Yeah, it's 2.30. All right. Oh, I don't see your email. Where'd it go? 1.30. Your time. It went below because it's my mistake. I was moving wines there. Okay, now it's fine. It's fine. It's all good. It's fine. Ready? Yep. Here we go. What's that? You want to give back some value for the value you get out of Daily Tech News Show? No problem. Just head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support to find out how. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, February 14th, 2018 from DTNS Headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt. And from a very Valentine's Studio feline, I'm Sarah Lane. From the house filled with smells of Mardi Gras food, I'm Scott Johnson. And of course, my Valentine, our producer, Roger Chang. I love me all. St. Valentine, patron saint of epilepsy, blindness, and he was beheaded. That's why we celebrate. Right, with candy and love. Right. Chaucer started that for the Hallmark company, I think. That's how that goes. And a chalk candy. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Search for extraterrestrial intelligence, or SETI, researchers claim they can't expand operations at two observatories because of the high demand for GPUs due to cryptocurrency mining. Prices for GPUs have been high and availability has been very limited. Oh my gosh. If one more person calls me and says they're going to give me their life for my GPU, I don't know what I'll do. CNBC reports that the heads of six US intelligence agencies told the US Senate Intelligence Committee that they recommend US citizens do not use products from Yahweh or ZTE. FBI Director Chris Ray says the government was, quote, deeply concerned about the risks of allowing any company or entity that is beholden to a foreign government that don't share our values to gain positions of power inside our telecommunications networks. It's, it's Huawei, not Yahweh. I still do it wrong. It's just, I mean, if you get a phone from Yahweh, use it. Russia's communications regulator, Roskomnerzor has set a deadline of Wednesday for controversial videos of billionaire Oleg Derepaska to be removed from YouTube and Instagram accounts of opposition protester Alexei Navalny. If neither Navalny nor YouTuber Instagram removed the offending videos, the sites could be blocked in Russia. HTC's president of smartphones, Chia Lin Chiang, has resigned due to his personal career plan, whatever that may be. Google took over a large part of HTC's mobile phone business at the end of January, though HTC still has plans to release phones. According to Apple Daily and UDN, Chiang plans to set up an AI startup later this year. Or is he an AI? He is an alien who wants to crypto mine. Maybe so. We don't have proof otherwise. All right, let's talk a little more about fast modems, Scott. Yeah, fast modems. We all need them. Our phones need them. Qualcomm has announced that its X24 LTE modem can handle speeds up to two gigabits per second. The X24 is the most, or sorry, first commercially category 20 LTE modem to be announced according to Qualcomm. It may be integrated into Qualcomm's next premium mobile chip, which Qualcomm says will show up in commercial devices in the first half of 2019 next year. The X24 is built on a seven nanometer process, which would translate to potentially power saving stuff. That's good. Everybody likes that. All of this, of course, would rely on carriers supporting 7x aggregation and 4x4 MIMO on up to five aggregated carriers. What that basically means is maybe this is, maybe this is 5G, Tom. Maybe this is it. It's a step to 5G. It's LTE, it's not 5G, but it is the thing that gets us used to fast speeds or kind of paves over the gap, because 5G won't roll out to everybody at the beginning. But theoretically, if carriers support this service, it would be easier to implement than 5G. It kind of reminds me of HSPA+, where they're like, these are actually faster than 4G, than actual LTE speeds, but then eventually LTE passed it. And this is kind of like that. Like if you could actually get two gigabits per second out of LTE, then you won't really worry about getting 5G until 5G is capable of more than that. Is this the wrong classification to say that Qualcomm is like the Intel of modem chips because they seem like they're in everything. Everybody uses Qualcomm chips for this. Oh, yeah. I mean, Intel wishes they were the Qualcomm of modem and smartphone chips, definitely. Chrome's built-in ad block program goes live Thursday. It will only block ads on sites that violate the coalition for better ads guidelines. That's a group with not just Google it. It's Facebook, Washington Post, Procter & Gamble, et cetera, et cetera. If a site that gets most of its visitors from North America or Europe, at least to start, shows pop-up ads, pre-stitial ads, autoplay video ads, and a few other kinds, then Chrome will block all that site's ads. So you punish the entire site if it violates these guidelines. And that would include blocking Google's own ad sense and double-click ads. Otherwise, the Chrome ad blocker does not block ads. If a site's playing by the rules, all the ads get shown. You said earlier today, and I thought this was an important point, there's a lot of people out there that use blockers on their browser. And their claim is I use these for those ads that are against these guidelines or that are annoying or jump out at me or stay there too long or pop up over things when I'm trying to just do regular work or whatever. This is going to be a real interesting test to see who uninstalls full ad blockage and goes with this versus those who stay in there because they just don't like the idea of ad-supported anything. You know, I started running an ad blocker not that long ago just to be like, you know, I have the right going to do this. And I mean, it's more annoying. And yes, I probably open a lot more stories in various tabs from various publications than the average person in any given day. But half of the time, it's like we noticed you haven't had blocker on and then you got to go in and turn it off for the domain. And it's like it is because ads never bothered me that much. Although I'm sure subliminally they were they were they were affecting me somehow. I almost I'm like, screw the ad blocker. I hate this. But if Google makes that process any more streamlined, I'll be happy. Well, and it is calling your bluff. Like you say, Scott, if if all you want is the abusive ads to go away, you know, the ones that Blair video at you or stop you from getting to the site and take over the the website, then Chrome has got your back apparently if you use Chrome. If you use Firefox. I there. Yeah, there's I mean, there's all the other browsers that's another big question. Well, some of them implement similar things. That might be cool. But I just think it's a good step in the right direction. And it's also I it's a chance for Google to show how impartial they can be because this, like you said, includes their ads on sites that are abusing those rules. And if they're blocking their their own ads, that in theory is working against their own best interest. So this is a great way for Google to say, look, we're looking at the greater good of the web experience and not necessarily just trying to, you know, protect our own. I think it's purely selfish. Google is saying we make less money on ads if everyone's out blocking them. So let's make ads less of a kind of a thing that people want to block double-edged win there. I think they win either way. Facebook's app for kids called Messenger Kids is now available for Android in the U.S. Although, Wired reports controversy continues over the app and whether it's actually responsible for parents to let their kids use it. In 2017, Facebook donated at least $50,000 to MediaSmart, which has two members on Facebook's advisory board for Messenger Kids. At least seven members of that board have had some kind of financial tie to Facebook over the last, you know, couple of years. Facebook also donated money to the National PTA for the first time in 2017. They're part of this as well. On the other hand, Wired reports that the common sense media and campaign for a commercial-free childhood to large nonprofits in the field say they weren't even informed about it until weeks or days before the app's debut. So Facebook definitely went out of its way to say, hey, listen, we have really gone the extra mile to make sure that, you know, people who are, you know, I understand children's development and the risks involved, you know, we're instrumental in helping us build something that's very safe. There's no controversy here. But when you get people donating to each other, even for other things involved, then it's like, well, okay, there might be favors that are going back and forth. And the whole thing seems a little strange. Yeah, let me give you two ways of looking at this story. One way is, hey, Facebook is trying to support the Parent Teacher Association. Why shouldn't they if they want to be a better citizen? That doesn't mean that they shouldn't also work with the National PTA to develop kid-friendly things. And maybe common sense media and campaign for a commercial-free childhood are just upset that they weren't included. And maybe Facebook should have included it, but they can't include every organization, can they? That's one way. Way number two is, huh, really unusual that the organization's Facebook gave money to, said that Facebook's product is great for kids. Wonder how that works. Also, I don't know, I have our time at that number, that 50,000 immediate smarts. I understand that's a donation. To me, that'd be a sizable donation, obviously. But for Facebook, this is like putting an extra 50 cents on your tip over at, you know, Qdoba or something. Yeah, did they donate it or drop it by mistake? And so I don't know that that money trail means that much to me. What's more important to me as a parent, and again, my kids are getting to the point where they're gonna start making these choices on their own and I'm not really getting the maps. Because they're kids anymore. I don't know what this app does to protect kids. If I was a parent, I'd be super skeptical of this. Oh, well, we've actually covered that part of it on the show. You weren't just here for that and I probably missed it. But my point is they're gonna be, they're gonna be parents that go, oh, it's for kids here. And they just hand it off. And I just think that's weird anyway. Well, and it's, you know, the whole thing is Facebook saying, hey, parents are gonna have lots of control over, you know, what their kids are saying to each other and who their friends are and there's all this, you know, the parents have to approve a lot of stuff. But it's still Facebook saying, but kids should use this. We're just gonna make sure that the parents are involved when, you know, the question is really like, should kids be using this? I mean, no amount of, you know, board members or advisory boards can change that if that's actually the answer. Yeah, I just watched Dirty Money on Netflix. I'm probably in the wrong mood for anything where a company's telling me what my best interests are. But check this out, it recodes code media conference, Magic Leap CEO, Ronnie Obovitz, or Obovitz, however you say it, said the company plans to release multiple versions of its headsets and the cheapest. This is the cheapest on the cheap end, would cost you as much as a high-end smartphone and the most expensive of the equivalent to a high-end PC. So we're talking $800,000, $1,500, something in that range, pretty expensive. He also said Magic Leap has a deal with the NBA to let you watch classic NBA games and highlights on the headset. It seems weird, but whatever. Eventually, they hope to enable live streaming, NBA, SVP, Marc, or sorry, Jeff Marcello, said that the hope is to enable live streaming on your coffee table as though you were a giant looking into an arena from above, which by the way is a thing a lot of VR stuff attempts. Like the certain video games are like a, an RTS real-time strategy game where it feels like you're sort of God mode and you can look down on the valley and see these small tanks as if they're little toys and sort of move them around. That's all very compelling. How do we feel about a thousand bucks or so for a Magic Leap headset? Did he name an actual price? No, but... Did he open pre-orders? Did he name a ship date? No. Okay, thanks. I'm out. Listen though. Look, high-end PC, that's $1,500. This company has been in business for eight years. Wake me when they ship something. I know. I kind of feel the same way. I don't, I don't, I take your point. I like the idea of watching a classic NBA game with the headset. Scott, I know you were like, that's weird, but like, because especially if it's a game where it's, you know, it was, it was really close or, you know, somebody did something really great. It's like, I think that would be fun. It would be, I'm with you on the experience of it, but I don't know why NBA games and also I don't know what constitutes a classic one. Like, I remember the Bulls played the Jazz in 96 or seven, whatever it was, and Jordan played with like some horrible flu and fever and he still scored 63 points. It's just old games, but they say classic. Don't overthink it. Well, sure. My point is, can I pick and choose? Are they going to shove? Yeah, yeah, no, it's a library of old games. Okay, great. So I'm watching those. That's weird because sports is like this weird ephemeral thing. It's like, you can sometimes get nostalgic. Oh, remember that game in 62? Oh, hell of a game. But you're not going to want to sit through the whole freaking thing, are you? But if it's on your coffee table and you can look down like Moses, right? And maybe it's not the whole game. It's a highlight. Yeah, there you go. It could also be a cut down, right? It's only the best moment. This does is this goes back to Tom's point, which I'm now going to agree with. Once I see this thing in action, then maybe I changed my my mind. But right now this is all just like fluff talk about things I haven't seen yet. So that may be the most amazing experience ever to see a little miniature basketball game happening that that you weren't there for. But I need to see the thing and I need to buy one, I guess for $1,500. It's supposed to ship this year. It's going to be, as we know, somewhere between $700 and $3,000, given the range that he alluded to. Can't wait. Can't wait for those details to be real. Can't wait to press that pre-order button. Tens of thousands of Snapchat's biggest creators will start seeing view counts and demographic analytics on their Snapchat profile. It probably won't be you. Well, unless you're Chrissy Teigen, which we know she listens to the show religiously. It's the 10,000 biggest creators, the ones who do stories that get put into the Discover feed. All of those folks will get to see the new analytics that will help them get sponsors and product placement deals. So it'll be demographics, male, female, age groups, all that stuff. Previously, even DJ Khaled did not have any information on the community and their followers and had to use third-party analytics for that. Yeah. I wish I had built my social media a little bit differently because I don't know how to sell any products on any of these things. However, there are those Snapchat creators who do get a fair amount of money for putting some sort of sponsored material or some sort of partnership into Snaps. But if you can't prove that your sort of arbitrary number means anything, and I mean that number that's associated with your username that we all sort of go like, what does it mean? No one really knows. If you can't prove that to an advertiser or some other sponsorship opportunity, then it's really hard to get anybody to give you money. Yeah, I just say gone are the days where if you thought Snapchat was your place to have your sort of sneaky conversations or your conversations that we're going to disappear after a little bit of time, like all of its original selling points are going by the wayside in favor of things. It puts in better competition with Instagram and more public platforms where now you're focusing on creators and personalities who bring in views, who have enough views to generate income on their own as well as income for the platform. Like this is just Snapchat getting into line. It's an adjustment they have to make and they've kind of taken their time doing it. Probably the right thing to do actually being more abrupt may have alienated their user base early on, but this all makes sense to me. If they want to compete in that Instagram world, they got to do it. And I think it's not so much that they think that all creators who have built up a following on Snapchat are going to love their analytics necessarily, but I think the curiosity alone, Snapchat is hoping Snapchat is hoping that some of the folks who had kind of, I don't know, fallen by the wayside or moved on to other platforms might be enticed to come back. Well, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines available on the Amazon Echo, the Google Home, the Anchor App, which you can get on iOS and Android, and that's a podcast. And you can put it in whatever podcast app you want. Just get the RSS over there at DailyTechHeadlines.com. So last Friday, Dan Patterson at Tech Republic wrote up a story about an IBM security study. Did a little interview, too. It's worth taking a look at. Claiming people finally value security over convenience. Let me just pause and let you pay attention to the words and the order in which I just said them. People value security over convenience, or at least in one particular way they do. 4,000 adults were surveyed in different regions of the world, so this isn't U.S. centric. They were business users and consumers, a mix of people, and 74% of those surveyed said they would use extra security on financial accounts. In fact, the U.S. had the most people aware of data breaches, although awareness is rising worldwide. So I know your first reaction, most of you, is like, yeah, of course I'm going to put extra security on my financial accounts, but up until now, this is the state in which we lived, right? Is that people were like, I don't really want to do two-factor authentication. I don't want to go to all that trouble. I don't want to pick a secure password, and that has finally, at least according to the survey, maybe changed. Yeah, I mean, I had a personal experience late last year that turned me around on two-factor in general. I mean, I always kind of knew it was the smart thing to do, but I was too lazy to retroactively go fix everything, and I couldn't remember every account I have, and then I got hacked, and I got hacked pretty hard, and it was mostly social media accounts that got hacked, but it was a pretty aggressive move, and freaked me out pretty substantially to the point that I immediately went from valuing the convenience or lack of having to do much about it to valuing a proactive approach to two-factor and other security measures, and I went through everything from financial to social to email to everything in between, every game account I have, everything is two-factored up, and every time that comes up and says, enter the code from your authenticator or check your text or whatever the method is I'm using, my brain always has to go, this is a pain, but just remember what the pain was when you were hacked. So I think maybe I could be wrong, but maybe we're getting to a point where enough people have either experienced something on their own or have seen enough in media or otherwise observation, other people going through this that now they're starting to value it more because the risks are all too real and no longer just sort of ethereal. And I think the tools are just better too. You know, there was a time where I knew, particularly working in this field, it's like, don't use the same password across multiple accounts, but I was like, but I just, you know, I can only remember so many things. Well, now I've got one password and we use the last password for some of our DTNS accounts and it's like, once you get the hang of it, it's not really inconvenient. I think that, you know, a few years ago, I felt like it was very inconvenient for me to do all the right things. Two-factor auth now, as you mentioned, Scott, you get a text message. It's like, most of the time it's pretty seamless. It doesn't really slow me down. And it's that, you know, it's, it's, it's worth it, especially because we know that everybody gets hacked constantly. I have a new worry that I should mention. The new worry now is that I lose my phone because that is the thing that has my authenticators on it. It's got the text messages on it. Like that is a more, I'm way more protective of where my phone is at any given time now since the two-factor authenticon of 2017. So, yeah. Shout out to the folks out there saying you shouldn't use text message as a second factor because it's not as secure, granted, but sometimes that's all you have. And so having a text message second factor is better than nothing in most cases. I think that we've also, we've seemed like I saw what happened to you, Scott. I think a lot of people saw that and said, well, wait, I better make an inventory of my own security behavior. What else is out there that I could add a second factor to? Do I have strong, unique passwords? Not just Scott. I don't think he woke up the entire world, but you know, hacks like Experian and the ransomware hacks and all of that sort of stuff. In this case, maybe clickbait headlines did us a service because it got people worried enough to say, you know what, maybe I will go through the trouble to set that up. And like you say, Sarah, you get used to it. I remember chafing under the idea that I had to put a password in to access my computer. I didn't, you know, like back in Windows 3.1 I didn't have password on my computer. And now it just seems second nature or irresponsible not to have a password on your computer. Oh God, I have a couple of friends who don't have passcodes enabled on their smartphones and I'm like, I just, like you make me very uneasy as a person who makes that choice. I don't know how- Think about your life choices, people. Can't be around those people, but it's true. And there's so many, I was surprised because when this happened to me, I was surprised how easy it was to get authentication through code generation through actual authentication apps and so on on lots and lots of sites that I use. I didn't know they offered it. And so I hope what we also start to see is just more general, I don't know how you do it without annoying people or spamming people, but just reminders that, hey, we're Facebook, we have these three options you can use for two factor or hey, we're Twitter, we can do this and this and this. They don't go out of their way to do that sometimes. And I had to hunt some of that stuff down. Now that I have, and I know people who are in the same boat, I'd like to be able to tell them, hey, go do this, download the Google authentication app. I got like 12 sites that use that. But even then, there are a couple who don't do any two factor. And that sucks. So also, if you can be picky about what services you use, make sure you let the services you use know that it has been an advantage that they gave you two factor authentication options, whereas other sites, other services don't. And I think along with the fact that securing various accounts financial and otherwise has become easier and more accepted than it was before and we have more tools, I think also a lot of people, maybe, you know, I remember once, you know, my bank called me and they were like, did you just make this charge in Florida? It just seems like somewhere you're not. And I'm like, yeah, definitely wasn't me. You know, like that. So that's like one, you know, very small way that you could be like, thank you for being on top of it bank. But Scott, you mentioned social media accounts. It's like, what if somebody went in and screwed up my LinkedIn profile and I didn't get a job? And I think there are just a lot more real world implications that could really mess you up besides somebody stealing money from you that people have become more used to knowing that they should worry about. And in fact, we have a related email in the mail bag today, right? Yeah, we do, Chris from Portland, Oregon was actually referencing a conversation we had a couple of days ago, but I thought it dovetailed nicely into this conversation. He was talking about better technologies for home entry. He says, I feel the need for physical keys to be really antiquated. My feelings is that home entry needs an update because I enjoy that my car comes equipped with a sensor that as long as I have my car fob within a few feet of the front door of the car, I can lock and unlock it and so on and so on. I consider the prospect of applying this technology to home door use, but I felt home entry should require at least two-factor authentication because the proverbial key to my conundrum would be have a phone near-field communication or NFC chip as the primary authentication and then to have a camera use facial recognition as that second factor. The obstacle with the camera would be that if it was dropped to a tower and require either a large battery pack or be hardwired. Kind of an interesting idea. Yeah. Remember, factors are something you have, something you know, and sometimes people talk about something you are for biometrics. So a lot of his examples though are two things you have. You would still need to have a different kind of factor for it to really be two factors. That's one of the things that separates it because somebody could steal your backpack and get all the things you have. And even if you have two factors, well, they have both factors, right? But if they steal your backpack, they don't steal the contents of your mind. So if it's something you know, that's a second factor that's strong and they would have a harder time getting a hold of. What if it was just a key? That could be the second factor. That's the first factor. What's the second factor? The camera that scans your face. And then third factor. Oh, so that's something you are, your face, and then something you have the key. All right. Yeah. I mean, I always like, I mean, not that movie. I'm with you, Chris. Movies don't get this right. But if you walk up to a scanner and it says, oh, that's your iris. Also speak your name. We need to verify your voice pattern. And also now put your hand here. We're going to do your... Those are three things you are though. Those are all the same factor. True. And then it says, what's your favorite color that you have to, you know? Okay. There's the thing you know. And then what's the thing you are? No, that could just be a watch or a key or wristband or whatever. Or you're retina scan. That could be R. That's who you are. That's something you are. Not something you have. Yeah. That's true. I have an eye. That's a good point. Yeah. Well, you don't usually take your eye out. Unless you're Sammy Davis, Jr. Well, and if you kill the guy with the access and then drag his head up to the thing and it blows my whole theory. Well, yeah, that's always a vulnerability in any biometric situation. But no, you know, I do love Chris's point that a lot of these Internet of Things and home security options do only have one factor, technically, and it would be good. I think he's onto something that we're going to need to factor authentication on that sort of stuff. What would stop somebody from videotaping me plugging numbers into a door lock at home? Nothing. Nothing. They've got all the zoom they need on their smartphone to see that from across the street and then go over there and try the code and see if it worked and they, oh, it does. Okay. Great. See it Friday night, three o'clock. It's unlikely to happen. Yeah. Not problem. But you could, but it's the same thing. Nobody's, nothing's stopping people from looking over your shoulder when you type your pin code in unless you're careful and hide it. So. Right. So more factors than that is all we're saying. Do that. Have it hid. Yes. Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories of vote on them at DailyTechNewsShow.Reddit.com and join in the conversation. There's some good conversations going on over on the Facebook group, facebook.com slash groups slash Daily Tech News Show. Thank you also to Scott Johnson. It's Wednesday. And so it was Scott Day. What's been happening since the last time we saw it? Well, that was such a celebratory way of saying that. Thank you very much. I'm, I'm very excited and happy to report that our, our weekend, there will be dungeon show, which is all that D&D and our campaign through it has been way off the charts. Better than we thought it was going to be in terms of response and follow through and viewers and everything else. It's been really, really great. So if you want to get on that hype train, there will be dungeons.com is where you can find the old episodes. That is to say our previous three sessions is all so you can catch up pretty quickly. Our fourth session is this weekend. We're very much looking forward to that. That's there will be dungeons.com or you can go to frogpants.com find that plus everything else I got going on or we're in addition. Follow me on Twitter at Scott Johnson. Thank you patrons for keeping us in business. We need more of you to make sure that we have at least one more patron than last year. So check out all the perks last year last month. Thank you, Sarah. We definitely want at least one more than last year too, but we prefer one more than January. That would have worked. I could have gotten away with it. Patreon.com slash DTNS though. Go check that out and very excited that something we've been wanting to do for a long time has happened. We've taken a piece of Len Peralta art and put it in the store on a t-shirt. The tiny mantis with the 3D glasses that we talked about last Friday is available on a t-shirt. You can wear it on your body. Just go to dailytechnewshow.com slash store right now and buy it. No, those praying mantises are very mean, Tom. Well, this will help you get in good with them. Listen, I wish you had helped me that in high school. I had a praying mantis. I think they're mean because they can't see. The 3D glasses are going to solve everything. Yeah, exactly. I had a praying mantis kill both a toad and a tarantula when I was younger. Oh, they're tough. See? Okay. If that toad or tarantula had been wearing this t-shirt, they'd still be with us today. Just buy the shirt. Our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. We're live Monday through Friday at 4.30 p.m. Eastern 2130 UTC. And if you want to know all of your choices to watch live and get ahold of us and catch up on everything we do, dailytechnewshow.com slash live. We'll be back tomorrow with Justin Robert. Young is our guest. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. Funny, as I was setting that up, I was like, ah, slash live isn't actually where all that happened. Oh my gosh, that was exactly 30 minutes. Exactly. Wow. That was exactly 30 minutes. Yeah, my timer is the right on. Wow. Well, I guess you guys solved it. I guess we cracked the code. Yeah. Done. Fixed that week. Just had a bunch more numbers that I can't really parse while we're live. I know yellow and red. Exactly. That's the only thing we need to worry about. Yeah. What really helped was I just decided to pull in a second counter, just so I could get it to. OK, nice. For the life of me, for the longest time, it's like, how come you can't get a second counter in the windows 10 o'clock? Then I realized you just have to retch hack it. Oh. Well, there you go. I did not expect it to be 30 minutes. Exactly. That was crazy nuts. Now we could do broadcast. We also had a red a couple of times where I was like, we're going long, but. This is how you drive to, isn't it? There's no one coming. Wake me when they ship something. Magic. Oh, we're into titles. Yes. OK, good. No, I thought it was security. Security versus convenience, man. Koff, koff, koff, man. SETI, except the S is a dollar sign. Ah. Ah, ah, ah. Clever. Say Yahweh versus Huawei. The Jesus phone. It's not Jesus. It's the name that's a substitute for God because the name of God is unpronounceable, or you can't say. Correct. It's also my Chinese name. So there you go. Yahweh is? Yes. It also sounds like a phone brand in China. Sounds like a phone. You're talking to, you're talking to the human incarnation of the Buddha. I don't say Yahweh, but I do say Huawei, but maybe I need to like, and then say that H a little more. Huawei, Huawei is acceptable, right? It's, it doesn't sound like you're saying the name of the Almighty. Sort of like when people say, Wala, even though it's Wala, but you're like, Huawei is like, even that's not really like how it's said in Chinese. Like I can't do that. I can't say it that way. Huawei. But it gets closer. Well, I think it's flower because Huawei is the Mandarin for flower. See, you're right now. Really, I like magically, or is it magically, but faith, wake me when they ship something and there's one more security versus convenience that I liked. I mean, security versus convenience is boring, but it's the perfect title for the show because that's what we talk about the most. Exactly. Wake me when they ship something hilarious, but I don't know. It's also very vague. It's also kind of mean. Magic leap of faith still. That one's less. That's more like, really? Okay. SETI one is pretty funny, but I'm not sure people would get it. Yeah, it sounds like we're saying SETI's money hungry or something. Like they're just like rolling in it. Ballers. It's like Kesha before she changed it. We contacted a interstellar race of NBA players. Well, Mojam might be going on a tear here because I think he said the last two title submissions and security versus convenience is the one I'm leaning towards unless anybody wants to argue me out of it. I like that one. I like it. Yeah. Mojam FTW. Oh, boy, do I not want to get on a red eye tonight, guys? You know what you need, Sarah? A brand new audiobook. Do you have one in mind, Tom? Well, funny you should ask. Paveria is out today on audible.com. Whoa. It's the book I wrote. That's great. Is this plug not effective? I wonder how many Audible ads I've actually done. I mean, hundreds. Yeah, seriously, me too. This time, I'm not offering you anything for free. I'm telling you to buy my book. Buy my book. You should. What's his name? Tom went out of his way to write a book, everybody. Then guilt them into it. Who's the guy who cranks on all those books? What's his name? Is it Jim Patterson? No, Jim Patterson. Who's the, you know, he always does the TV ads, Buy My Books, something Patterson? Oh, yeah. Buy my program. No, he made software to teach you how to play. And he would sit on what looked like a toilet, remember? Yeah. And you're like, what is he sitting on? He looks like he's on the can. I would say buy my product is what he'd say. Yeah, buy my product. Buy my product. No, no, he's an actual author, but he's like super, like, like prodigious. Yeah, James Patterson. You're thinking of, okay, you're thinking of a different thing than Sarah and Scott are describing, I think. Okay. Because I just remembered these ads where he would just like, you should buy my books. He literally has like this billion. Sarah and I are thinking of the video professor. That's who we're thinking of. Yeah, that's it. Oh, no, I'm thinking of this guy, like he did a murder. He did the one, the one, the zoo thing that CBS turned into a TV series. You know, the zoo thing. Yeah. The president is missing the line. Count to 10. Buy my product. The murder house. I mean, he's kind of, people make fun of him because he just writes so much and he implores people to buy his books. If you're not satisfied, I'll give you your money back. Guarantee you. But the money will be funny money. Monopoly money. Oh, I forgot about the video professor. You know, for all the money in the world, all the crypto in the world, I wouldn't have been able to remember the product. I still don't know what it is. He taught. I guess it's how to like a million video. It was like Office, Office 35 and stuff like that. It was like tech, tech instruction for Microsoft Word or Windows. Yeah. Yeah. How do you use it? It was a video course. I'm a product. They were on, they were on tech TV. So I think that's why the three of us here got exposed to them a lot. Yeah. Right next to the rotato. They ran on, they ran on late night TV. Oh yeah, they ran everywhere. Yeah. That's how I saw them. Yeah. I'd see them in infomercials. I got overexposed to them on tech TV for sure. Buy my product. There was, when we were all younger, there were those encyclopedia commercials. With that like. Kid. Yeah. When he's like a teenager, right? Yeah. Glasses. And he would talk to the disembodied voice. And a puffy shirt. About, about buying encyclopedias and like, like it was like, they would be like sort of cheeky with each other. And it's like, who's that man that he's talking to about buying encyclopedias? It was so bad. There were like a bunch of them. That was a scene though. That was a, that was a style. And then there were the videotapes on how to build a website. With Sumi Das and Tom Merritt. I like how you guys are leaning together back to back. It's like a sitcom. Oh yeah. I never wrote a book. Or maybe digital video for the desktop. There's always NaNoWriMo in November when I try and fail. Martin Sargent. Everyone. I think I, who was it? An author once said like, I believe everyone has a novel in them, like at least one. If not, you know, more. Oh my gosh. Okay. I found out where the video professor is and what he's doing. Here's what he says. Here's the website tagline. John has done it all. It's John Shearer, the video professor. John has done it all. Retail, PR, TV, social media, the internet. Me too. Me too. I think all of us have. Buy my product. Buy my product. I mean, we're actually, you know, that's actually, that could be our DTNS tagline. Buy my product. Let John Shearer promote your product, it says. He'll probably sue us if we make that our tagline though. I'm sure he's got it service marked. Try my product. Target your customers directly through the power of cost effectiveness of radio. Whoa. Cost effectiveness. What about hypnosis? Power of massive noses. Remember that used to be a thing. People thought you could hypnotize swathes of people. Has anybody been hypnotized in this group? Yes. I know. In junior high. You have? No, high school. Look on me. No, so this is the thing when I was hypnotized and the guy's stress is very, very strongly. You need to want to be hypnotized. If you go in thinking, I'm not going to be hypnotized. It's not going to work on you because it works on the power of suggestion. That's what they want you to think. That's a thing is like that's not good enough for me. I've never tried to be hypnotized. I'm positive it's not possible, but I've never tried. I guess I'm not 100% positive. I feel like it's a trap where they say if you don't want to be hypnotized, you won't. So I just go great. Then I won't. Because it feels like the trap is like, so make yourself suggestible and I'm like, no, I'm not comfortable with that. Well, yeah, but that's the whole thing. Well, good that you don't have power over me. It's great. I'm fine with that. All right. Well, that's why it's a party trick and not like an ad. And also why I have no fun at parties. I get it. OK, let's say that I'm in safe space. I'm not going to like be made fun of. And I'm like, I really want to be hypnotized. I still don't think it's possible. Well, yeah, not with that attitude. But like, I mean, OK, I think I can fly. So I guess I can. Like, no, it doesn't work that way. No, I think poodle putters got it in the chat room. He's like, nobody wants to be the jerk who ruins it for everyone. So you play along. Oh, I don't have a problem with that. I'm not hypnotized. Everyone's going to know it. Nope. Still not hypnotized. Oh, come on, Sarah. I'm wide awake, guys. Yeah, it didn't work. Although maybe we just are being hypnotized all the time. And maybe we're hypnotized. Maybe none of you are real. Didn't you ever watch They Live? I mean, we're constantly being barred with suggestions all the time. Yeah, I was wondering if that was a documentary and not a drama made up. Are we actually the that was a documentary on Roddy Roddy Piper's post WWF. Yeah, he was all out of gum. All out of gum. And finally nifty. Some finally ran out of gum. Yep. So that for film. Zach, that thing is something else that movie is a cult classic. That's really great. It's bad in hell comes to Frogtown. If you want to watch two really funny, good Roddy Roddy Piper movies, those are it. I feel like Roger would fit in well on film sack. He would. Every time you start talking about film sack movies, like, yeah, he knows most of the ones we talk or do. Yeah. Because I watch schlocky movies. Yep. Schlock is fun when I do it. Boy, this video professor guy gets almost sued out of existence in the 2000s. Oh, really? What for? Let's see video professor sales model. So it was very controversial. Sort of like Ponzi type thing, maybe. So it's using deceptive and unethical sales practices regarding its television, internet advertisements, offering a free trial of the CD-ROM for just the cost of shipping and handling. But then they started to get weird. People are getting billed $400 for nothing, like weird stuff like that. So they got, let's see, they got their accreditation revoked as of 2012. We're there. This is important, since we're discussing this in public. Were there any court cases that were concluded against him, or was it all dismissed or? Let's see. No one they billed for. They got accused of a lot of things. That doesn't mean. You know, it kind of reminds me, not in the same way, but another famous pitchman was Kevin Trudeau, not related to the Prime Minister of Canada. He was the one that used to flog those books with the miracle cures. Like how you could cure all sorts of things, even cancer. And he would sell these books. And my dad, he actually bought these books. And I remember turning to the section about curing cancer. He has like this two to three page thing about how I was going to write this, but the, was it the Food and Drug Administration? Bart, you know, came to my room and they destroyed all my notes and they took all my material away. And it was just like, yeah, you're such a jerk. Scott, did you find out if he actually lost any of those court cases? I'm looking. Because then we have to make very clear that these are all allegations. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. That's a good point. It said. Maybe they're not true. Let's see. Lawsuits, it looks like they just, I don't know, some of this stuff is like settlements. Yeah. So he settled a lot of them. Yeah. And then the final, the weird thing, I guess in 07, the company, the video professor company filed a hundred anonymous posters filed lawsuits against a hundred anonymous posters of critical reviews. Yeah. Which is crazy. And the better business bureau gave them an F and that's why they retaliated that way. An F for fantastic. For fun. Anyway, apparently it was a big mess in Colorado, but yeah, no, no convictions of anything. Okay. That's important to note. Yeah. So you're no longer a professor. Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Tom. That was Roger. Oh, sorry. I just wondering, does Kenny no longer use the title professor? Probably. Now he's just this guy that goes around and consults you. I don't think he ever was using it in an accredited manner. I think anybody can call themselves professor. Right. They did on Gilligan's Island. That's right. Can he call himself Mary Ann? Is that a lot? Mary Ann and Ginger did swap places for one episode. Yeah, that's true. Kenneth Johnson played the professor and I don't know why I know that. It's because the last time you saw him, he was about 300 pounds. Like he swelled up. He got really the professor did. Yeah. That is not why you just wanted to say that about him. No, that's the only reason I remember it is because I saw him. That's why you remember something that talk show, Vicky. Have you watched television in the past 10 years? I watch SNL on TV like when it's on. Are you talking about Ricky Lake? No, Vicky. You know, oh, Vicky. Okay. All right. She used to be a mama's family or something. What? When was that on TV? Mama's family? No. Isn't that a show? Ricky Lake? Ricky Lake. I think you may be talking about an even older talk show. Vicky Lawrence. Oh, Vicky. Vicky Lawrence. She had her own talk show. Yeah. She did? Oh, man. No, he's right. She played mama, right? Yes. That's a mama's family. That was a really good show. I had forgotten all about it. I should really watch some reruns. Apparently, I was more intense with TV than Mama's. I do not remember Vicky Lawrence having a talk show. She had her short-lived one. I mean, there was a time where, and I know that there are still talk shows. Maury Pope, you know, he's red and high, but he might be the only one left, actually, now that I think about it, but... No, it's all Ellen and Jimmy Kimmel and all the late night. Vicky lasted two years. I guess it's different. The focuses are like, you know, when Ellen, it's like, they're not being like, let's do a paternity test. Oh, yeah. Different kind of talk show, you know? That's a dying breed. There's still a few of those out. I used to watch Montel Williams religiously because I loved it. It was just like the craziest cat. And it wasn't like Springer, where it was just kind of bottom of the line. I think Jerry Springer is still doing his. Yeah, he's still got a show. Yeah. I don't know if it's the same show, but he's still doing one. What was the one that made fun of it? The guy that plays Notch on the Son of a Beach? Well, we should probably leave that as an exercise for the audience or a bonus for the patrons, perhaps as Roger looks that up. It's a cliffhanger, man. All right. Everyone wave bye to the video audience on YouTube. Bye, video audience on YouTube.