 Let me see. Welcome everybody to Digital Asset News to get top stories in crypto, currency, and digital assets, and bring them down to bite-sized pieces. But before we start, let me make sure that first of all that we are live, and I can tell we are because I can hear myself, and to make sure the audio is good, individuals are good. Go from there. Put that in the chat box. Welcome to the stage, my friends. Mike the investor. Mike the investor. How's it going? It's good. And then I got James from Invest Answers. Hey, James. Welcome. So I invited these two guys. First of all, because I watch them. I watch them almost every day whenever they put a video out, but when they've got some really great stuff. So in the description in this video, and I also I'm going to tag this at the very top, go follow these guys, Mike and James over at their respective channels. Gentlemen, let's talk about some crypto, shall we? So first of all, let me make sure I got something going. Let me share my screen. Oh, and welcome everybody. Hold on. Let's pull up. I've got my lovely assistant Haley, who is going to be pulling in some random comments. Only the good ones. Only the good ones. Let's see. This is a good one. Jerome says, are you a fortune teller? Like, how can you predict the end of year? I am a fortune teller. I have this crystal ball. It's magic. Luca says, hello. Hi, everyone. James is a legend. Mike is also a legend. So to answer your question, this is all investment opinion, not investment advice. And the things that we talk about, we're just talking about predictions that may or may not come come true. We take a look at the best information we can possibly get and extrapolate that out to the end of the year. And if we are correct, well, that's a pretty good one. But don't take it as gospel. I have been wrong before. I'm wrong all the time. Ask my wife. She'll tell you. And then we'll go from there. So let's break up. First of all, I wanted to talk about James, you had this interesting video yesterday, and you talked about how the government is breaking down a regulation and they really want to are pushing there. It's I think you call it Bitcoin beat down or something like that, right? Exactly. Yes. Go ahead. Well, I believe it just seems everything seems to correlated and orchestrated to be happening at once. So I believe, perhaps I could be completely wrong. But I've got a theory that, you know, from the IMF to central banks, etc, are all working in cahoots together to try and exert some pressure on smaller countries so they don't follow the El Salvador Bitcoin standard route. And also to try and just block Bitcoin and crypto from getting into the hands of individual investors. Because it is putting pressure, downward pressure on fiat currencies all around the world, which means it has an adverse effect on the ability for countries to, you know, have influence over their people. Good or bad. Good or bad. Yeah, that makes sense. So regulation first, let me share my screen real quick. That is Mike's great YouTube site there. So go ahead and check them out. Here's James over on the best answers, very slick, very nice. This was the one that's because when you were talking about that, I had covered this story a couple of days ago. Mexico's third richest man, Mr. Salinas, I guess he's the third richest guy in Mexico. And he just said that, hey, he goes, Bitcoin's a great thing, and we're going to try to get it into our bank. And it's going to be great. And we'll see how it goes. But then like a day later, this came out. Mexico says cryptocurrencies are out money. And the financial authorities just pretty much just shot him down and said, look, whoever, we don't care what billionaire is talking, we're not going to do it. And it was just so fast. I mean, how it actually came about. So I was like, hmm, and then James, I think you talked about that yesterday. Yeah, I'd bet a million dollars that Christine Lagarde or from the UCB or somebody from the IMF called the Finance Minister of Mexico and said, hey, shut this down now. You can't let this toothpaste come out of the tube because you never get it back in once you do. So shut it down and I'll give you a couple of billion dollars interest-free loans. No way. Oh yeah, they can do that. They can just print SDRs all day long. So that's how the world works. Mike, what do you think? Do you think we're going to get regulation this year? I mean, as far as like America goes, or you think they're just going to like, they're going to let it go and then these guys will just be like, eh, whatever. Man, that's a good question. I definitely see what James was saying because I mean, last time we was on your live stream, we talked about certain regulations setting in and not all regulations setting in. And I think it's interesting because with crypto, we never know. Things change so fast where, you know, one week it could go this way and the next week the narrative has changed, right? And so I think how I kind of look at it is, I just put out an article to my Patreon. I was like a couple of days ago and it was about how 650 banks now is going to offer, is going to allow, you know, people to buy Bitcoin. So that's pretty much, you know, even the whole in a wall credit unions as well that allow investors to buy crypto. And so I think that is a sign of adoption just for US. And so I think about if we look at that gets implemented, I definitely think there's going to be some form of regulation that follows that up. And so I don't know how much, how much crackdown is going to happen. But I definitely think we may see something for sure. Yeah. And this, I think this is what you're talking about the NY Dig partnership where they had 650 banks are going to be buying up, what was it, $6 billion and going from there from Q2. Yeah, pretty crazy. I mean, look, the reason why I bring all these things up is before we get these price predictions, and these guys talk about it is that remember, remember where we're at right now? There's a lot of good news out there. And of course, there's going to be the FUD, there's going to be the Chinese stories, the car salesman that comes out, there's going to be these random countries of like, we're not going to get into cryptocurrency. But in the end, it was the same thing with the internet. I mean, people tried to not allow it, and then just kind of overtook. So I still am pretty bullish for this year. Anyhow, that's my, my lead in for this one. So let's get down to business, shall we? Price predictions. Everybody's favorite story. And remember, these are just the things that I see that could potentially good happens. Let's just start with the number one crypto in the land, which is Bitcoin. And I got two questions for these guys. First of all, what I see is I see, first of all, on January 7th, when I made this first price prediction video, I thought it was going 150. And the probability I said was 10. I just didn't see any way around how it couldn't. And now I'm a little bit more shaky, but I still think it's going to go to around 130 to 150k. And we're bouncing all over the place in the 30k, 35k range. I don't think we're going to do much in July. Maybe August, September, we'll see some price action. But this is the most, this is why I see things. I took a look at fractals. I took a look at from 2013 to 2017 to now all the four year cycles. So this is what I got. So two questions. First of all, I'll start with, I'll start with Mike on this one. Where do you see Bitcoin going? And two, do you ever see Bitcoin being overtaken? And by which one? By which crypto? That'd be a good question. Well, so you threw a slick ball in there on me, Rob. I did. I did Mike. I got it. But don't worry, man. It's just just a couple, just like we only got like less than a thousand people. They don't really care. You're all good. But yes, I do see Bitcoin hitting six figures. I definitely think it's going to hit 100,000. How much does it go over that? I don't know. But I definitely think you're in the ballpark. I definitely think it's going to hit six figures this year at some point or leading into next year. We will see a six figure Bitcoin. Definitely. So I had, I had Paul Barone from the ball, Paul Barone Network. And he's a traditional finance guy, kind of like James as well, big investor into real estate and things like that. Got his own channel. And he said, I see six figures, but I only see it at 100k because I don't see it going too much beyond that. But I'm like, that's fine. You know, being being conservative on this channel, I'm pretty conservative. I don't give the stupid, you know, price predictions of it's going to a million tomorrow or something stupid like that. That's just how I see it. James, what do you got? Yeah, well, first of all, you know, it's all well and good to look at charts and fractals and 2013 and 2017, which can give you some indications for what's going to happen. But I personally believe Bitcoin and some of the other cryptos are driven by money flows. And this cycle is very, very different in every respect to any previous cycle. Therefore, you can't look at history. And the other thing I look at is supply, supply and exchanges beyond money flows. And there'll come a time when the supply will dry up and then we'll go parabolic. Now with the German news today, that could be 300 billion flowing into crypto, well, which 60, 70% will go into Bitcoin. Germans are very conservative. I live there. I know. So, and I think that's a huge amount of money. You got George Soros jumping into the mix. You got all the American banks jumping into the mix. So all the laggards remember we are so early in adoption, you know, less than one and a half percent of the population, 2% of the population, whichever numbers you look at, it's so early and the money is just going to come. And for every billion dollars coming in, you increase the market cap of Bitcoin by 20 billion. And you can do the math on what that is. And it has a huge impact now because the market cap is so small. And with the supply drying up and more going into hodlers, I don't know who's going to be selling because no matter which way you look at the macro backdrop, there's nothing but brightness on the horizon. You know, the absolutely hard scarce supply and the deflationary factor is flowing in because people keep losing their coins, losing their keys, helping dead. It's horrifying. We actually finished a study. We're going to do a few little tweaks. And it's going to be part two of who's got the coins and talks about exactly who the big holders are, what it looks like stratified across all the different holders, as well as how much is left to buy. And there's not a lot. So from that perspective, my price target for year end has not changed since January. That's $108,000. If anything, I've become much actually more bullish on Bitcoin despite the last two months. You know, with El Salvador happening, I didn't see that happening for two years. Plus, you got Germany coming in, you got big hedge funds coming in. So 108 is pretty high. And that is 29.63% less than your target, Dan. Yeah, no, no, I mean, it's good. And this is the same thing I hear. I hear like, so I'm like 130, 150K. And then JDO says, how do you come up with these numbers? I personally just look at history and look at fractals. I also take a look at the actual total market supply and where the market cap could be. So if we take a look at, I mean, is it, first of all, let's take a look at gold. I own gold. I own silver. I'm just, you know, I get into that because, you know, as a hedge, because who knows, maybe we can go into Mad Max territory and people are just going crazy. And so I look at that. I'm like, well, the market cap of gold is 12 trillion, right? 10 to 12 trillion. So is it outside of the normal possibility for Bitcoin to go into the four trillions, five trillion with what we know and what the people are coming in? I don't see it. I don't see why we couldn't. The big thing is what James said, which is, hey, can we, you know, there's only so many Bitcoin to go around. One of the actions you start buying, and I think right now it's just a, to me it looks like, like a trader's paradise almost because there's just so much volatility in and out and in and out. So that's it. And everybody welcome to stage wind mullet. He's back in action. I haven't seen wind mullet forever. What's up, bro? All right. So that takes care of Bitcoin. So I will agree with these guys. Very conservative, 100K, like Mike said, 108K for James, 130K to 150K for Rob. So I'm looking like the moon boy. All right. So next one, Ethereum. And it's a tough, it's a tough thing because I, on January 7th, it was 1.2. I thought for sure I was going to 10K, especially with all the DeFi projects, the lockups that were happening and just seemed like it was just a juggernaut. I didn't hear too much about, you know, Cardano and the smart contracts, you know, Avalanche was just kind of coming into it. Solana was kind of on the back. Remember Solana? That was like, what happened? And then all of a sudden that explodes. So I didn't really see too much competition. It hit 4.3 around April or so. And yeah, April, May, May. And then we're looking at, for me, instead of 10K and me saying an 8, I'd say it's going to be between 8,000 and 10,000. I'm waiting to see what happens with the London hard fork and EIP 1559. So James, I'll start with you on this one. Where do you see it? Yeah. So again, if you look at the DeFi activity, I go back to the same basis. There's about 160 billion locked in value. It's going after a $400 trillion market. It's growing at 20,000% per year or something crazy like that. So this whole world, I think, is so infantile that it, the only way is up. And again, my price prediction for Ethereum has not changed since the beginning of the year. And in fact, with all of the adoption and the level two protocols that are solving some of the interim problems for Ethereum, it still remains about 8,900. And I took the average of your price rub of 9,000. So we are very much in a line here. And remember, we got halfway to that target a few weeks ago. So it's a de facto. I know the weakness now is incredible because there's a lot of people are unsure about so many things. And there's a lot of potential ETH killers on the horizon. But I still believe it's all about first move advantage and network effect. And that's where Ethereum has a huge leg up. However, we'll talk about another one in a few minutes that I believe could be a potential ETH killer if there is one at all. Oh, I like to hear that. Okay. Mike, what do you got, man? Do you see it like, do you see me anywhere 8 to 10 K or you're like going way lower? No, I think Ethereum is a major player. And when we look at visa, let's just look at visa for an example. Even though there's ETH killers out there, visa chosen for major blockchains. Ethereum, Solana, Algaran, and what is the other one? Did they choose USDC? Correct. And they partnered with Circle as well. And so they have Algaran, Stellar, that's the other stellar blockchain, Algaran, Ethereum, and Solana. Now all of those are... That's right, that's right. All of those are conquering some of the same mission, but also going after different things. And so as DeFi is growing so fast, like James said, I also think we are starting to see market share being taken a little bit as well from Ethereum. But I also think Ethereum is going to be, like I said before, I think there's going to be four to six major players on each layer. And I think Ethereum is going to be one of those. And I think potentially Ethereum will still be at around 10 K. Will this stay there? Of course, that's yet to be seen, but I definitely think it can reach it for sure. Good points. Yeah, especially with visa coming to play. And then that would lead us to into Stellar, which we'll talk about later. But IBM and Stellar have a close partnership as well. So and that it's a good point because there's all these different areas where all these cryptos are going to go for. I don't think there's one size fits all where it's going to be just a domination of like, let's say this was when I got in 2017, it was Bitcoin can do everything. And it's going to do everything. And it's going to have all these things. And we realized it can't do everything. There's no way. And there's some people that still say that. I think that's kind of ridiculous, but whatever. But, but we'll see it all goes down the line. But yeah, I mean, it makes a lot of sense. And then we're talking about this day and Alex Massioli show about market share. Because I think Ethereum is going to stay up there. It's never going to go to zero, not never, but it's not going to go to zero anytime in my lifetime, I don't think. But as far as like market share, if you got like a Cardano nipping at your heels at 2% and you got an avalanche over here at 1.5% market share, and then you've also got like 3% for Solana or whatever else it is. When it's not a big deal, it's just two, one and three. But if you got 10 people, they're all taking 10, 2% of your market share, 20%. Before you know, you're like, what the heck happened? And then off you go. So that's my two cents on that one. All right, let's take a look at the next one. Where are we? Chain link. Oh, man, I messed this one up. Chain link. It was 17 bucks in January 7th. I said it's only gonna go at 35 bucks at the end of the year. But I was pretty sure about it. That's that's one thing. And then of course, what to do it hit 52 bucks. And I was like, wow, I really missed the target on that one. But this is the thing. Nobody's ticked off at me. When I make really conservative, low, low ball predictions. But and they're fine when when everything overshoots, where people get really ticked off. I don't know if you guys have seen this is when I do like way crazy predictions. And which I don't really do that that often, and they just don't don't fulfill. So this one, as of today, it's like around 18 bucks, I think you can go to 75 to 100. Because I thought it was going to be more competition. But it seems like chain link is the big Oracle. Mike, what do you got? Do honestly, man, I think chain link is going to hit $100 by the end of the year. Honestly, I've never said it publicly. I've never really talked about it. But chain links, I think is what the fourth crypto ever purchased and still holding it today. So I mean, chain link has too much connections, you have to have it. It's almost like how Terry Cruz said, Ethereum is like the oil. I mean, when you think about adding information from blockchain to blockchain and connecting, you have to have it. So I definitely think it's a major player, for sure. And speaking of which, if you haven't watched that, it was a podcast, the defiant or defiant ones. It's the same lady who wrote the invisible machine, the one about the Ethereum Camille, I forgot her last name, but she had Terry Cruz on, super smart guy, artist, great guy. And he just talked about his road for cryptocurrency. And if anybody knows, if anybody knows, Terry, please give him a shout and say, you should be on digital asset news. All right, James, what do you think about this one? Well, chain link, kind of what Mike said, is definitely probably, I believe, one of the most important projects in the blockchain space. And it has has a critical role of connecting, obviously, blockchain to smart contracts, off chain, cross chain data, etc. Nobody else has that position. And the real value, obviously, being a first mover, but they are also the most trusted and reliable in space. And the way they have geared their system is to really build that trust. And that type of moat makes it very hard for competitors to displace them. So from that perspective, I'm extremely bullish and chain link, there is one tiny, tiny little glitch that does have me concerned. Is there tokenomics is a little shaky, a lot of tokens are controlled by the team. And there is a large token supply. So that could have a lot of downward pressure, nothing like some other names I'll mention, but it is a point for concern. Now, that being said, my price prediction for chain link a little more conservative is about $78.72. That's been a long time valuing this one. And that's my middle target. I didn't give him my low, I do bear expected bull. This is my expected target. And it's funny because yours is 87.50. So we're, you're 11% higher than me from your average. But that is mine. I have a good size chain link position. And it was one of my early cryptos I added actually once I figured out how important Ethereum was that was kind of a shoe in afterwards pretty much. This is why I love having other people on with different opinions and different ways that they view things. Because even though we don't see all different projects in the same way, we kind of, and we don't, we're not going to come to the same conclusion, but I can see where things kind of converge. So this is why I had you guys on. Thanks. This makes a lot of sense. All right. So we got that one. Let's jump over to what's our next one we got? Oh, my favorite, my favorite. I think we're going to diverge maybe on this one. So Cardano, I used to complain about this all the time because as an entrepreneur, I just throw things to the wall. I'm like, whatever sticks. I'm like, let's do that. And then that's kind of my, that's how I work. And with Cardano, they're the exact opposite. They're like, look, we're going to be very meticulous. We're going to use peer reviewed papers. We're going to use science. And we're going to go from that and take a lot longer. And I was like, I don't understand it. But then I kind of got it. And I always compare this to like, when I'm traveling in the air, I want to make sure that the engineers that created the Boeing 747 didn't just throw things to the wall, that they actually tested things out thoroughly. So it actually worked. I think that's what Cardano did. So Cardano on January 7th, remember these days? 32 cents, 32 cents. And I thought I was going to go to three to, I actually said three to $5. But yeah, and my probability was pretty high. We didn't, I didn't, I don't think we had a date back then for smart contracts. And like the, you know, dates as far as like August, now here we are. So it did reach 252. So I was pretty close. Today, it's about a buck 30, buck 40. So I think it's around five, maybe $7 at the high point. What do you guys see it? Am I wrong here? James, I'll start with you again. Yeah, well, I've learned the hard way on the internet, not to say or call anybody's baby ugly. I do have a Cardano position, but I think what kind of vexes me and what I can't quite figure out is why it has such a huge valuation and is yet to even go live. We have other protocols that are a fraction of the cost that are already processing a huge amount to kind of defy business and smart contract business and everything else. And I just, I just don't know why, you know, Cardano is eight times higher. It's a great question. It's a great, like before you get into it, there's a project called Silo. I've talked about it on my on my channel over on Dan Clips. It combines WhatsApp with the security on the blockchain and actually is encrypted end to end. It is, it gives you the availability of like Venmo to actually send your cryptocurrency within the app. And it's also like Filecoin because you can store different data points across, you know, decentralized hubs. And it actually has a working product, which I have downloaded and I've actually used and it actually works. And it's market cap. It's like in the 700s or 800s. Last time I checked, but yet here we are with projects that do not too much. And here they are. So, so James, not to cut you off, but yeah, well, there is a theory as well that they technically by 2030 could have a half a trillion dollar market cap if they really do execute perfectly. But, you know, nobody ever talks about Cardano killers, but I know five. So, and I think it's admirable what they're doing, you know, helping the unbanked in Africa and stuff. But that's not where the money's at. So, and I follow the money. Okay. So you're gonna, you're gonna talk about that later as we, as we scroll down this list. Mike, what do you got? Man. And you're, you're free to dissent. That's okay. You're free to dissent because I'll agree with you. I will say this. I do own Cardano, not looking to sell. Cardano is just a position. Honestly, I'm looking to hold long term and when it makes sense, then do something with it. But do I think it can hit five to seven? I think five to 10 hot 10 on the high side. And I agree with every and I agree with everything James said as well, because there's a lot of things that a lot of other blockchains are doing to compliment what Cardano is doing. Another thing I do like, though, what Cardano is doing is that now that will be launched on that you have Solana and you have Ethereum, where crypto payments will be launched on those two blockchains and then Cardano will be the third blockchain. And so when we talk about first movers, well, when you look at the first blockchains, who's grabbing market share from crypto integrated payments for EV stations, those are three blockchains that are going to be the first movers. That's 50,000 stations in Europe. And so once that gets implemented and it shows and improve, okay, other companies may be like, okay, let's use Solana. Let's use Cardano. Yes, you lose Ethereum for whatever. So I think that opens up a lot for Cardano, just in my personal opinion, because EV is the future as we know. And so I think this is a win for Solana as well, if it goes right, of course, in a perfect world. If it goes. And it was because like you and James and some other people I listened to talked about Solana so much, I mean, actually purchased it not too long ago. And we'll get into that. And it was mostly and if it wasn't for you guys, I probably wouldn't have got into it. Because I'm like, oh, I got enough. But I mean, here we are. And the same thing with with BTT, Mike, if it wasn't for you, I would never have gotten into that. I would never have even looked at it. All right, man, I'm still surprised you got in it. And apologies, Rob. I forgot to mention my number three 30 year end target for Cardano, which is still bullish. Yeah, I'll take three. Okay, okay. All right, James, that's all right. That's all right. Okay, so what else we got here? This is a good one. So theta, I added it. It was two bucks on January 7. I thought I was gonna go to 10. I was way off. But I was pretty, pretty certain. It went to 14 bucks. Today's price is six. I think it's gonna go to 30. That's pretty extremely bullish. We'll just say that. So probability for that one, I can't give that a 10. I would say between maybe a seven, it's all how they execute and roll things out. But again, I could be wrong, but they does make a lot of acquisitions. And even like Katie Perry just came out, and she's gonna be doing NFTs on the theta platform. So that's something. What do we got? Mike, what do we got here? Well, I don't own any theta. So not that I don't like the project. I think it's a very good project. It's just one of those I never pulled the trigger on. I think it's gonna be anywhere from 20 to 25 potentially, or a lot higher. But it's not a project I really just followed 100% just kind of kept up with the updates as far as news and things like that. But it's kind of where I see it. I can see that. I'll go with 20, 25, too. I mean, look, 30 is like real pretty, is pretty high. But again, I thought I was only gonna go to 10 and went to 14. And that was the no here. James, follow the money. What do you got? Yeah, I don't actually follow theta. I don't own it. And I haven't analyzed it. So I'm good or bad to say. So let's let's punt this one. Okay. So so James agrees with me 30 bucks. Great. Now I'm just kidding. Okay. So here we go. Celsius things going on with Celsius. This is a weird one because it was six bucks in January 7. I thought I was going to 20. It's pretty sure it only went to eight. And now it's back down to six bucks. So I said $20 30 is like way too high. I would say 20. Because it's and the reason why I went with this and didn't give it higher is first of all the community super strong. And that's one of the things that if you have a super strong community, just look at XRP, it will not die. XRP Army is like we're going to keep this going for we don't care if the SEC is involved, we don't care what's going to happen. We're going to make it happen. And then the only problem is is that they got a lot of competition. So that's the one that scares me. James, do you know anything about Celsius? You follow it or not? I do. And as you know, I'm talking to Alex tomorrow. So that goes but I do not issue. I do not own Celsius. And I don't want to make any hazards. But you know, when I look at the supply, you know, the max supply versus circulating supply and inflation, that kind of gives me some pulls. But it's done extremely well. So you can't argue that what 4,000% return or something over the last year. It's yeah, it's crazy. It was pennies. And all of a sudden, now there it goes. So like the max supply, we're looking at 695 million. So it's in the top 50, I think still. All right. Mike, what do you got for this one? You follow it? Not a ton. I think it has on paper looks great. And I think that's, you know, a lot of cryptos, right? I mean, on paper looks phenomenal. Paper looks great. But I don't own any Celsius. But you know, it being listed on Coinbase, dealing with the emerging markets, I definitely think there's a lot of promise there. But I don't really have a price prediction on it. And see, it's one of those things like, I don't know if Coinbase can do it or can be listed because it is a registered security. And we did a video on it and we took a look at the actual documentation and it's listed as that. So I don't know how that would work out. They wanted to do it like that. And then off it goes. But I'm going to be watching that episode with you and Alex, James, because there was an article that was written and it's good to get to the bottom of things. And I'm a big believer in getting all the facts first before talking about it. So I'll wait for James. All right. What do we got here? Next one. Stellar. This would be what we're talking about. So I had 33 cents. I said I was going to go $2, went to 77 cents, nothing too exciting. Now it's only a 26 cents. So I'm going to say two bucks again. I don't have, it's hard to say because I didn't have a lot of different, a lot of faith in what's going on. But what Mike just said about, you know, the different Visa partnering with it and IBM, maybe I'm wrong. So I'll start with Mike. Stellar is, I do have a large position of Stellar just holding it. I think Stellar is going to be, I kind of play with James says, I think money flows and I think money controls a lot of the market. And I also think Stellar is very suppressed. And out of the four blockchains that Visa chosen, I think Stellar is the most suppressed. And that's just kind of how I think not beginning too much political things, but I think Stellar suppressed. And I think with Visa, the USDC, I think with them being able to swap digital assets for any other digital asset with Lumen Swap and all of these things we had the emerging markets, it potentially help and build our Africa. I mean, there's so many things with Stellar so fast. I don't really have a price prediction, but I definitely think it can go higher than two bucks, but I don't have a price prediction, very bullish on it, not selling it. Hey, man, have you ever used XRP or or Stellar, like just to transfer funds? I've used them both and they're extremely fast. Yeah, right. They're like extremely fast. Like I will look down my phone, like I want to send you something. And then they're like, I got it. I was like, what? Get out of here. But yeah, I used to use it. I used to use it a lot, actually. And before one, I could use XRP and it's super quick. And it actually, I mean, the fees, look, it's fast and there's like no fees just about. So try doing that with Ethereum. Good luck. Yeah, I like to exchange with XLM if I can. Fees are very low and very fast. So all right, James, what do we got? Follow the money. So yeah. And this is one of the reasons I nixed Stellar. I hope I don't make myself unpopular, but watching it and what it did in 2017, that all-time high and then crashing and mean flat. And here we are four years later. It's less than what it was back then, a lot less. So it means they haven't ramped up. They haven't increased adoption. They haven't proven their value. And I realize things were completely crazy back then in 2017. But at the same time, when I look, when I benchmark, I like to benchmark everything against everything and create ratios. So when I look at, say, the growth of Cardano and Ethereum and all these other names, and why is Stellar not even close to their previous all-time high? This is what I can't figure out. And this is why I've never analyzed it. Yeah. It's one of those things like, you know, there's a great analogy. It's like, these projects are like the great restaurant that nobody goes to. Because no one really can figure out like, there's no, I mean, the marketing isn't there, or there isn't really any partnerships. You just don't hear about it. Not that it's awful and it doesn't work, it just, it's just not moving. And why is that? Well, that's up for management to decide. And that's where it really comes down to business savvy and business sense. So that's what it all comes down to. I think. All right. So let's go to our next piece. Pocodot. 10 bucks, January 7th. I thought it was going to 50. And guess what? I went to $47.32. But I thought this was going to be 50 at the end of the year and almost hit it in four or five months. So now it's at 15. I think it's going to 75 to 100. I think Pocodot's a good one. Look, I bet the reason why I invest in a lot of these things is I invest in people. Because I believe that people and the teams behind it will really make things move or not move. And so with Pocodot, you got Dr. Gavin Wood, who's already done it with Ethereum. He's part of the Ethereum mafia. I think he can do it again and improve on the things that maybe didn't go right with Ethereum. So that's what I got. James, what do you got here? Well, I lived in Switzerland as well. And I was partial to Pocodot and did a deep dive on it. And as the blockchain of blockchains or whatever they call it, I think it's a very, very impressive project. I like the team. I like the developers. I like their approach. And I'm extremely bullish on this project. And just so people aren't disappointed, I tend to pick a very few, identify the winners, and go a mile deep. And in every perspective, tokenomics, price predictions, you know, rebuildings on the team, et cetera. So my prediction for this one is, let me pull it up. I have it on my list. I know you were, sorry, I had a different sheet open. I had, I have that at $129.79 cents for year end, which is my biggest gainer of all of the 13. I believe it has kind of the largest upside from where it is today. It is very weak. And that is higher than your prediction. Year is 32% less than mine. That's the only price prediction that you have. That is less than my price prediction. I'm not the moon boy. It's James. James takes that title for this one. Mike, what do you got for this one? Polkadot. First of all, do you have any polkadot? I don't have any polkadot. The reason being, because I think, I know they have a little bit different missions, but I think Chainlink is enough. And so that's why I kind of stuck with Chainlink. I don't really have a price prediction for polkadot. I definitely think it's here to stay being added to IRAs and stuff like that, but I don't have a price prediction for it. And see, this is now, this is a great point because like, this is what ticks me off in a lot of different places, which is like, I'll say, I don't own this. And people are like, why don't you own that? You should own that. You should own this. I don't have to own every damn cryptocurrency out there to be okay. So like if I just like Warren Buffett said, we're going to pass on this and we're going to pass on even more things, because that's just the way that we do as far as like investment. And it makes sense. I can't get everything. I mean, I tried, look at all the cryptos that I own right now, but I mean, you're not going to get every single one. And that's okay. Also, take profits. Don't follow this victimization if you got to have diamond hands at all times. Take your profits and you'd be okay. And by the way, one of the reasons I started to become less bullish on Cardano in late 2020 and early 2021 was because of looking at projects like Polkadot. They are streets ahead of where Cardano is. Over 350 really solid projects are running already on this platform. It's one of the early. Polkadot's one of those few that I dollar cost average still right now. It's because I think it's going to be big. That one and Chainlink as well. All right, Sue, what else we got? Tezos, here's a very unsexy one. $2.65 on January 7th. I, I was going to 20 just because of because it had gone pretty high in 2017. So I was like, or 2018 and whatever it was. So I thought, well, maybe it would, it could rebound and do those things. I wasn't too sure. So I put it at six. It reached $7.58, which is pretty good. Now it's at $2.77, which is roughly what it was back in January. So I got it at 10 bucks only because of the name recognition and it's in the top 100. Mike, am I off on this one? What do you think? I think Tezos is still a solid project. Kind of like you said, though, a little unsexy, hasn't gotten a lot of recognition. One thing I really liked though, man, is that, that they started, uh, started to implement tokenizing real estate, you know, and Tezos was one of the first blockchains, you know, and so that I really liked. And at one point, Tezos and Chainlink kind of moved together and then Chainlink kind of broke out. And so on the price prediction, I'm kind of staking my Tezos on my ledger and just kind of letting it accumulate. But I really don't have a price prediction per se, but I'm, I'm bullish on it, but just kind of letting it build itself. You know what, I didn't know about that. See, this is good year on. So they're tokenizing real estate. I think that's the future anyhow. Everything's going to be tokenized. Real estate's going to be tokenized. Land will be tokenized. I mean, heck, even my show, your show and Jayda's show will be tokenized. Who knows? All right, James, do you got anything with Tezos? Do you own anything? Any of this? Or do you like this? Nope. I keep away. I have this strange philosophy that if something has to be slung hard, marketed hard, sold hard, it's not worth looking at. I believe good products and good projects sell themselves. So I saw things like Tezos advertising in Formula One cars and hiring the huge agency and stuff like that. I know the guys are huge as well. I thought that was a bit of a red flag, that they're too desperate, that they're not being adopted organically is where I'm coming from, which I believe is very important for these types of protocols. I think there's two points to that. If you're dead and stagnant and nothing's really going on, and you're like, well, we got to just, you know, piggyback onto something, that's one thing. But I think if you're moving along and then you start to pick up sponsorships, like, I mean, Bitcoin just got sponsored on some car, on NASCAR. Voyager, same way. StormEx just got picked up by, or they had a partnership with the Portland Trail Blazers. So I'm going to see like that. Tezos, maybe I'm just beating him down for no good reason. But I just don't see it. Someone just said, we need to hear Rob talk about more about real estate. James is the real real estate mogul, as he may not bled on. So maybe someday we'll do some kind of real estate stuff. And James, I don't know. Yeah, we'll show Meet Kevin and Stefan Graham how to do it. Yeah, Meet Kevin, that guy's got a full empire. So, okay. So that's Tezos. VeChain, this one had so much potential. I don't know what's going on. It was three cents. I thought I was going to go to a quarter. And I was like seven, and I hit a quarter, which was kind of weird. Now it's at eight cents. So I'm like, well, maybe 40 cents. I just see a lot of different, there's a lot of secrecy around what's going on with VeChain. I know it's being adopted in China for different parts. When I have Paul Barron on, he was talking about, because he's got some insider information as far as like what's going on with China and some deals that are going on there. And he talks about how it's being adopted more so on that end that we don't hear about. But I'm like, I don't see much price action. So I have no idea. James, what do you got on this one? Yeah, I did a detailed, should I buy token analysis on VeChain and got a lot of hate for it because my 10-year price prediction was really low. And my thesis is I know the space that they're going after is supply chain management. I worked for 11 years in one of the companies that's the leader in that space. I know it back and forth intimately. And I know the industry is extremely conservative and they're not going to put everything on the blockchain overnight. I also know that tons of competitors are coming into that space. So my thesis on VeChain, even though I own a little bit, is there's not as much more upside in other projects. And second of all, it's heavily controlled by the Chinese. Nothing good or bad wrong with that. And third of all, there's a few things I don't trust like the fact that they were hacked in the past. Tokenomics is not that good. And finally, there's no real value to the project unless they expand way beyond supply chain management. So my 10-year price prediction is like $0.35, $0.50. And my one-year one, if the bull market is strong, is where did I write it down? Yeah, $0.30. Okay, I'll take it. Mike, what do you think is too high? Mike, what do you got? Do you own this one? I do own some VeChain. Not a whole lot, but I bought a nice amount when it was super cheap. When it was like nothing. So I mean, I'm just kind of staking it now and just haven't purchased any more VeChain. I'm gonna agree with you on your predictions on this, Rob. And we'll go with you, man. I'm gonna say I could potentially reach $0.40. I mean, I'm really still big on the Walmart partnership, other things as well. I just think the supply chain management, there's so many variables involved, it's gonna take a minute for it to really mature. Yeah, I can see it. I just don't know. I just don't know about this one because like, but you know what? What's interesting though is Mike said, brought this up twice now, staking. So if you're talking about like just an additional revenue stream, there's nothing better than staking and just getting a free money, right? So even if like, this isn't the gravy train that maybe it is, but maybe there's something to be said, but it's holding on to an asset, watch it, appreciate it over years and just stake it and then just live, you know, just have like 10 of these different projects and just go, that's my thesis what I'm gonna do. I don't know. I thought it could work out pretty well. So those are without that one. So we got between $0.30 and $0.40. Okay, I can see it. Eos. This is another one I should have gotten rid of, but I didn't. Sorry if you're into Eos. Okay. So it was $3.40. I thought maybe go to $0.30. It did go to $13, which is pretty good, but then it went right down to $3.87. I'm gonna put it at $15 and I think that's generous and the probability is a three. So anybody can take this one. First of all, does anybody own Eos? James or Mike? Nope. I don't own any Eos. So we're gonna skip this one. Basically come out of this. If it is 15, it'll be a miracle and you can, and I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what we got. All right. Uniswap. This where it gets interesting. It was $6.60. I thought it was going to go to $20 at the end of the year. Boy was, and I gave it a $5 and boy was I wrong. $44. The price today is $17 bucks roughly. I think it's gonna go to $60 at the end. Who wants to take this one first? Mike, you got any Uniswap? I don't own any Uniswap, but I think it's a big player in the decks though. It's going to be one of those still top five. And I mean, there's a lot of competition out there. Of course, buying in a smart chain, pancake swap, AVE. You know, I mean, there's so much competition, but I still think like we say, Uniswap was one of the first players, you know, and I think it's just going to have that. People are comfortable with it. They trust it. You know, it's about convenience and what is blockchain about? Trust. You know what I mean? Trust and verify. And so I think that's still going to play a big part when it comes to Uniswap still being there. Is it going to be the number one? Not saying that, but I still think it's probably going to be top five or a minimum top 10. You know what? That's a good thing. It's trust. Trust is a commodity you can't buy. And if you have trust, it's worth its weight in gold. And I think that's probably why we're still here. Because how many different decks are out there? But how many times do you hear about those decks is doing like a rug pole and things like that? People like, I don't want to deal with that. So I know I'm going to pay a boatload if I have to use Uniswap because of these fees. But at least I know I'm not going to get ripped off. James, what do you think? So it's funny you either I dropped dead on some of your choices or some of them are my favorite in the whole universe. So Uniswap obviously is one of the most disruptive projects in Ethereum. And you know, it changes the way we think about kind of stock markets and markets. It's absolutely unbelievable. Like truly decentralized, permissionless trading is just freaking mind blowing. When you go in there and play with it and v3 is just it's almost so brilliant. It's hard to believe. And it's so simple. It's like, why didn't somebody do this sooner? So blows me away. I am massively bullish on this one. My price predictions. Let me see Uniswap. At the end of the year, $48.86. And I have very detailed price predictions. I think Rob, you were 16. So I'm 22% beneath you. But that for me is a key name to own. So okay, but James, you've got a you've got a bear scenario and a bull scenario. Do you have this for everything or just for I do for everything? So detailed pricing models? What's your bear scenario for uni 41? And then the bull is 48? No, 48 is expected. The whole case is 60 bucks, which is very close to yours. Exactly. So we'll take it. But you know what? It's a it's a thing I thought for sure when I did this price prediction, I'm like, Uniswap will have competition. It will fall down. And there'll be more to choose from just like in business. And I was totally wrong about this one. So we'll see where it goes. I'm glad I was wrong because man, it went up massively. Okay, there's one slight thing that people should be aware of. And I go back to regulation and the competitive environment, they're the two dangers. You know, the moat is extremely small and anybody can replicate what they have. And regulators could try and shut it down. If they don't mess with it, and they can stay ahead of the game and they continue to involve and develop, I think easily $170 token by 2030. So you know what's well, there's two things. First of all, remember the airdrop for Uniswap? That was awesome. And then I said to myself, that's how you build a community like here's some free tokens. No questions asked, just take it. That I was like, that's perfect. So this is that part. And I was like, I will never sell. I said, I'll never sell my Uniswap news flash at some point. If it gets like what James just said, I'll probably sell some. But I like how they build the community. But the second thing is, how can you shut that down? Is there a way to shut it down? Like, I mean, regulation, we know what China can do, right? We just saw it. They're like, no, no more mining and also no more Binance and no more OTC and you guys are done. And they did it because they're a communist country. But I'm thinking about like North America, Europe, those types of places. Well, apparently the FBI, from what I hear in the NSA, they can track what people do with their wallets. Sure. Technically, things can be traced. Yes. But we'll see. We'll see. Okay. That's that one. Let's go to my favorite, which I think we're going to diverge on this one, all three of us. So Voyager, $0.29. And this is what I was talking about in the beginning. If I make a prediction and that prediction goes, it's really conservative and it goes above, people like, that's okay, Rob, we still love it. But if I do it like where it doesn't hit, they're like, you're the devil. Okay. So Voyager, $0.29. I thought I was going to $30. And the reason why, because first of all, the market cap was low, or the tokenomics, there was only $222 million. So I'm like, well, that's not too many. And I take a look at the utility. And I thought, well, if they can just roll out this loyalty program, and they can do the token swapping time, and they can actually grow, then things can go pretty well. So it reached $7, I don't know, April, May, some around there. Now it's back down to $226, but still a pretty good one. And I still say it's going to $30. And the reason why I still say that is if they do the things that they say they're going to do, and they've had massive growth, they went from 70,000 users to December to where they just reached their earnings report last month. And they said they're at $1.6 million. I talked to Steve. It sounds like they're even above that. I want to guess around $2 million. They brought in the team from Uber to, because they believe they're going to have $10 million by the end of the year. And if they can just do the things they say they can do, that means utility for the token, which means staking 7%. You can reduce your fees. You can increase your APY for the different cryptos that you can store on there, which is now over $50. They're going to have a debit card, potentially a credit card, a desktop version. And they're going to hopefully go into Canada and the EU. And I think that's massive. And of course they are a brokerage, not an exchange. So that's my case. What do you guys think? You want me to take this one first, James? Dude, honestly, man, I agree with you. I think we were pretty spot on, though, when it came to VGX. Still super bullish on it and everything you agreed on. They just announced the token swap is August 9th. It's going to be about 30 days. So from now, if we look at the time frame, it's July 1st. The token swap is the 9th of August. And they said the VOP will happen right after that. So if it takes about 30 days, give or take, they said it's going to start September, beginning of September. You're joining the stream. They said, so that puts us about 60, 75 days from today's date, give or take for us to potentially see the VOP go live. And so I still think it can hit 30 bucks by the end of the year, honestly. And secondly, with the VOP and token swap, I think two things can happen. I think we're going to start seeing a little price improvement because of the announcement that just came out. But also I think what can happen is we may not see true price to the upside until the VOP program actually sets in where people actually see what's going on. Because the app is going to change. There's going to be different things that's going to be implemented that really starts to draw the crowd. And so I think that's really what we're really going to want. I think we're going to see more price movement from the VOP compared to the token swap, just my opinion. Yeah. So me and Mike are pretty bullish on this one. James, what do you got for Voyager? I don't touch it. This is great. So James, talk to us about and of course, I remember when, because I mean, first of all, before I go on, we've all gotten hate on our channels. I remember when I sold all of my XRP and I got so much hate from the XRP Army. But I'm like, look, I sold it all because I needed a tax benefit. And then there's this thing called wash trading, which does not exist in this realm. So I just bought some back. And they're like, no, no, diamond hands, you're worthless. And we get all this, this hate, right? So we can always dissent. It's okay. And that's, that's what makes this whole situation great. So James, for Voyager, you don't want to touch it. You're like, no, no way. I have a very strict discipline of not holding more than 10 or 12 tokens, but I'm just doing them well. And if I want to add another one, I need to kill one. So I want you to look at the graph or something else. That means I'd have to sling my H bar or my V chain to do that. So somebody needs to get sacrificed. So I just keep waiting for the best projects to bubble up. And because you cannot be versed in 100 different projects. And I know people that have 60 tokens, 80 tokens, 100 tokens, it's like, I'm like, my head would explode. And I work really hard at analyzing them. So to be deep and really know what's going on, got to be able to track them daily. And I also do a lot of equity trading. In fact, way more equity trading than crypto trading, because that's where I can get the bigger returns using derivatives. So that's where I play. James, James, bring it in. See, I've only got so much time in the day, man. And that's it. So what you just said made a lot of sense. I really should be dumping some of these, the ones where I was like groaning, I just have them because I just haven't gotten the, not the time just the, just to go, I just got to cut these things loose. You got married. Yeah. The hardest part in investing is selling, just cutting those ties. And people just hold out the stuff forever. And I better place the money. That's what I think is just run out the numbers, look at the expected value of where you think something's going to be at the end of the year or the end of five years or whatever your time frame is, and then pick the best. Yeah. You know, this is, this is why I had this exit strategy. I've sold some of my positions. I mean, fate I sold because I thought there was going to go a certain way. And I, and I sold not everything, but I sold a good amount. So that's that. All right. Let's finish this up. And then we'll get to the next piece, like the Solanas and the BTTs. So Ave and Bitcoin Cash. Let's just, okay. Well, James loves Ave. All right. So I don't get it. I mean, Ave, I like Yanni and what he's doing. Smart guy really was like one of the first in DeFi. So it was 122 on January 7. I thought it was going to 2K because there's only 16 million. Look at the tokenomics of that. 16 million. That's it. It went to 652. Pretty good return. Now it's under 221. So I'm like, all right, $1,500. James, take this, take it away. Tell me what I'm wrong here. Yeah. So I'm a big, big, big Ave fan. My year-end price prediction is 465. I love it because just like Uniswap, I believe this is definitely the most disruptive project around crypto lending. Yeah. And I just, again, go in there, use it, try it out. It is just completely mind-blowing. I love the tokenomics and just everything about it is if I was to build a protocol, it would look very like Ave. So extremely, the only concern I have is a big Black Swan event that would completely wipe crypto out, could wipe them out too. Okay. And I see it going into the top 10 at some stage over the next 12 months, literally going from number 30 all the way into the top 10. That's how bullish I am in Ave. Okay. I'll take a look. So what's your end of year prediction? On Ave is 465. Okay. I can see that. I think what are we at? 233? 233. We can double up. Okay. Mike, you got any of this Ave? I do not. I don't own any Ave. I don't know much about it. So I learned a lot from what James just said. But I mean, I knew it was a dex, but far as some of the things was offered, I don't know too much of any projects or anything. Yeah. Me and you both. Any kind of yield farming over there for this one, James? Yeah. You can do pretty much anything with it. So it's really impressive from so many different perspectives. I just think that whole world of crypto lending, yield farming, et cetera, is just where everything is actually going. And this is why I believe regulation is trying to clamp down on all of this because it is a massive threat to the traditional financial services that are out there. Well, I mean, it is a huge threat. And that's why I think this article came up where we talked about NMIDIG pairing up with small and mid-sized banks because they say they're running on the wall. And there was this one statement really just sums it up. According to Gene Kondo, Vice President of Communications, the decision to partner with NMIDIG was based on client demand. And they were talking about, oh, this wasn't it. There's another one where it says that the reason why they went into it, because they were tired of seeing the funds from the banks flowing into the exchanges to buy cryptocurrency. So of course, that's what they want to do. All right. I'll take a look at Aave. I'm a little bit more bullish only because of what James just said. We'll go from there. Swap out your tazels for Aave. How dare you be 100% correct? All right. So here we are. So let's see. And then we'll finish up with Bitcoin Cash. Man, Bitcoin Cash, I thought it was going to be better. 481 on January 7th. And then I thought I'd go to 8K because I believe that people are going to want something easy and low fees. And Bitcoin Cash does that. Unfortunately, it didn't really work out so far. It hit 1,500 and then it went down to 500. So just a little bit above. So I'm just going to, I punted and just say 5K. I don't really see it really going too far. Does anybody here own Bitcoin Cash besides me? I don't own any Bitcoin Cash, but I honestly thought about purchasing it. Ah, see, this is, we're going to pass this one up. Let's go to the big one, one of the big ones. Let's talk about XRP. This is a fan favorite. I don't blame you. I get it. The community's strong. I have no idea. I thought, I couldn't even give you a prediction before because of the SEC and, you know, the thing just came out. So I just said, I don't know. But now with the different things that are coming about, it looks like, I mean, potentially, I don't know what I'm, I'm not a lawyer, I only play one on TV. But it looks like they could potentially just, I think they will settle with the SEC. They'll pay a fine. Didn't EOS pay a fine as well, which was like nothing compared to what they actually made. And they just move on. I think that's going to happen. And I think if it does happen, it'll shoot up to five to eight dollars, but it has to happen with the SEC settling. There's no way it can go up to five to eight bucks without this SEC case being dismissed. Anybody own XRP here? I own XRP. Okay. What do you got, Mike? I don't have a price prediction on it, but I bought XRP back under 20 cents. Yeah. That's what's, you know what? That's where I sold when I got my tax breaks at 21 cents. And I bought right back because it was the lowest I could. I thought it's, it can't go lower than this, but who knows. And then there we go. So what do you think? I don't agree nor disagree with your price prediction. I mean, honestly, I really don't have, I mean, I think it's in flux right now, you know, with the SEC, I think, you know, until that gets settled, it's kind of out of selling, you know, and so Let me ask you this. If there was no SEC case right now, and it never came up, where do you think it could be this year? And remember, I think, what wasn't the high, wasn't the all-time high like three bucks, $3.25? I want to say. For me, what is the use case? You know, connecting the banks and financial institutions, and we know stellar is after the unbanked. Yeah. I think XRP honestly can be well over 10 bucks, man. I mean, on paper, on what it can do, I mean, if we, if we think about it and the connections, I mean, well over 10 bucks. But I mean, with so much happening, so many variables get to be seen. So I mean, You're right. I just think like this, this was the time, this was the year to kind of move forward. I know they're still doing these things, but they're kind of saddled with this SEC case. And as more competition comes up, it kind of puts them in a real bad bind to move forward. That's, I think, the big problem. James, what do you got? If I ever say anything, but I've got a list of things I could talk about at XRP, but I will not say them on this channel. Oh, no, no, no, no. You got to say it because the XRP army is like super nice and accommodating. They'll love you for saying negative stuff. I'm not messing with those folks. Just look at tokenomics, everybody. And that'll tell you everything we need to know. 51 billion in escrow. There we are. So we're going to move past that one because James is going to punt rightfully. So let's go to some new ones. So this was my secondary. And just like James had said, I've only got 10 to 12. Mike, how many cryptos do you own? I mean, roughly. Maybe about 15, 18 max. See, that's, that's what I should have done. I didn't do it. And I got, a lot of these things that I bought was during the dips when I was, I called it rage buying. It was when the car salesman was making all those tweets. And I was like, so ticked off. And I just kept going down and like, they were just great deals. And I'm actually doing not too bad right now, but I probably shouldn't have bought all these things. But this is what I got now. I've got bat storm X, which was actually a pretty great buy. T fuel. Actually, I bought that beforehand. And I'd actually gotten that from being on Theta Avalanche where things can be big silo, which we just talked about the scent token, which we're going to talk about that on Alex's show tomorrow. And this is the ones I want to talk about today. Solana, Polygon, Swissborg, Iota and BTT. And then the, these are other ones I'll talk about later. And of course, World Mobile Token, I'm an advisor to that one. So just so everybody knows. And I think it's going to be big as far as like interoperability and giving telecommunications to Africa. That's not what we're here for. We're here for, let's start with Solana. And again, if it wasn't for these two guys talking about it here and there, I probably wouldn't have gotten it. But this is what I have. So the supply and max supply, 272 to 478 million, not billion, the all-time high was $52. The price today, is it 30? Maybe around 30. So I can see it going to $200 because it seems like it's what Ethereum and Cardano want to do. And they're doing it. That's all I got. So let's start with James, take this one away, because I know you're real big in this one. Yeah, very big on it for a number of reasons. I liked when you see really, really smart people throwing nearly half a billion dollars at the project. And you see tokenization of equities kind of doing what Binance kind of did, but really executing very well. There's so many good things going forward. The only concern I do have is a little bit around the tokenomics. And they also need a couple more developers and they need some more dApps. But this thing runs like a scolded cat. And it's very, very impressive. So yeah, I am very bullish on Solana, my price prediction per the list per year end is about $209. That's another big upside compared to yours. 4.3% above you. Yeah, I'm more bullish. Yeah, we're, yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're two names that I'm more bullish on than your, your price predictions. Yeah, we'll take it. Mike, what do you got? Do you have some Solana? I think you do, right? I do, I do. I'm actually now staking it on Moonlet wallet, about 12%. So Hey, do you got a video on that? How to do that? I don't, but I could potentially work something out. Could you do that for me? That'd be great. I don't know. I need, I need your help. Great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but Solana for my price prediction is about 150 to 200 bucks. And just the reason being is because something with James said they do need more dApps. They do need, because Solana steal a newer blockchain that just kind of launched their main net not too long ago. And so we're still starting to see a lot of things, but with so many partnerships already with the being so new, I think that really solidifies it. Even with the grayscale offering now a fund for them, just getting listed on Coinbase, the Visa, the Circle partnership, the crypto integration payments, being able to process up to 50,000 transactions per second, you know, being a hybrid, being a, I mean, there's so many things we can say about Solana. So I mean, on paper, dude, it's going to be a top 10, no matter what. I mean, it's, I just think it needs a little time to get some things taken care of. And but I think 150 to 200 this year. So we're looking at a six to seven X, that's the one that I need to start dollar cost averaging and more. That's really what it comes down to. Okay, awesome. And then there's a question that came that comes up Brian, Breone, do you think there's going to be another 2021 like 2017 and crypto like a big, do you guys see this bull run, which we're debatable for Solana bull run, depending on who you talk to and what kind of timeframe to looking at. But do you think that we could have that parabolic hockey stick come towards the end of the year or maybe 2022? And how long do you think it could last before we hit a crypto winner? If there even is a crypto winner, Mike, I'll start with you. And I kind of got to piggyback a little bit with James said, because it's so right because Rob, I know you go back and look at the history and how things have happened. And James said how this time things are so different. I mean, which it is, we have all the retail industries, we have the institutions. And so when we look at the history of things, we've seen a parabolic run, but it hasn't been like 2017. And so one thing that we have seen this year is that certain sectors have went up while other sectors have may have went down. And so that's been definitely different compared to what's been seen in the past. And so it's kind of hard to say, it's kind of hard to say, I mean, I'm about 70% to 30% that we're going to see another big run. And I think that's going to be with the same Bitcoin reaching six figures or potentially more. But I think it will be at that time when that happens. Yeah. And then before we get to James shout out to my assistant, her name is Haley. Haley is the one that's bringing up all these great questions. So James, what do you got? What do you think? Yeah, you know, again, as I said at the beginning, it's a function of money flow. Right. Money is just beginning to flow. And we've lost two months of our bull run because of flatness, which is kind of normal, very similar to 2013. I do believe that, you know, once things do go parabolic, there'll be that blow off top and things will fall down, but the retracement will only be 45%, 50%, 40%. There won't be any more 85% retracement, at least in things like Bitcoin, because of the institutional holding now. And the big hedge funds and the wealth offices, family offices, all that type of stuff, you got pension money coming in from all over Europe now as well. It's a different game, different bull game entirely. You know, it's crazy because like I had heard this three or four months ago and people said that the institutions are going to stabilize everything. And I was like, no, no, they're not because they're going to come in here and they're going to put their money in and they're going to sell at some point just because that's what a lot of these large, not like the old time players do, but like some of these like hedge funds and the ones that are just getting in. I go, you have to wait until like major, major big money comes in. And just like you said, like pensions come in, that's when everything kind of stabilizes. And people are like, Rob, you're a moron, you're an idiot. Sure, I know, but I just didn't see it happening. And then when people say, you know, Tesla's coming in, they're never going to sell, well, it is sold 10%, not too long ago because they want to Tesla liquidity of the market. So again, only trust yourself and do what's best for you and your family. The diamond hands narrative, I just hate it. And I think that you do what's best for you and your family. And when you got to sell, you sell. So what else do we have to finish, to wrap this up? Polygon. Polygon. Mark Cuban's favorite. So 6.3 billion, 10 billion max supply. So that's just a supply. I didn't make a price predictions on these because I didn't own them before. The all time I was 240. And it's only at $2 right now, which is pretty great considering the other ones that we've taken a look at. So I put an end of year to between four and eight dollars. I think that because it's a second layer solution, correct for Ethereum. So even if Ethereum takes off and they lower the fees, I think you'll still need a second layer solution if there's this much adoption moving forward. Am I wrong? And who owns Polygon here? I don't own any Polygon. All right. So for Mike, we're going to have him punt the football. James, what do you got? Yeah, there's another one of my big positions. Obviously, I like their fixed supply, clear leader, widely adopted, tons of use cases, another scolded cat scenario, as they say, in this interchain world. And as DeFi gets bigger, even if EIP 1559 and Ethereum 2.0 solve all of the scaling issues, there's still a place for Polygon. These guys are top, top notch developers and engineers. And my price prediction is $2.98 cents for year end and 20 bucks, which would be half of Tesla's current market cap today in the year 2030. I'm extremely bullish on this project. Holy smokes. Tell me that one more time so everybody can hear that again. What was the end of year? The end of year is 298 and year end 2021 and $20 in 2030, which would equate to half of Tesla's market cap today. That's how bullish I am on this project. Okay. What's your bearish one? The bearish, I think is about $2.60, $2.55. Okay. So $3. Not too bad. I give it a range because I just don't know. I just don't know. Hold on. Wasn't Polygon like pennies not too long ago? A lot of things are pennies not too long ago. All the new stuff, all the new like 3.0 version of kind of blockchains was all pennies six, 12 months ago. But you just look at the, that's why I look very carefully at the adoption and the network and the use cases. And when you can see huge adoption and really valuable use cases that will disrupt the world, then you know it's real. Yeah, I agree. So let's go to, so talking about use cases and real world adoption, this is another one. This is what I call the European Voyager. And this one is Swissborg. And Swissborg, I've had Alex Fazl on the show and he's head of marketing over there. His brother is the CEO. And they're just, it's like Voyager. I mean, they have a pretty great community as well. And they are, like I said, a brokerage. They connect to all different types of exchanges. And I like the utility there because I remember, remember how Coinbase would go down all the time. That's why I like brokerages so they can actually connect to all these different exchanges. So when the, when everything hits, you can either sell, you can either buy, you can get out. So I like Swissborg European wise. And it's only got a 1 billion, which I say like it's no big deal. It's like 1 billion tokenomics or tokens max supply. It hit $1.50. Now it's down to 58 cents. I see it could potentially go to $4 and especially with the advancement of cryptocurrency in Europe, what James just talked about, as far as like Germany being able to get into crypto. So the more people get into crypto, the more they talk about crypto, the more people like, where can I get crypto? Use this app. And I've used the app super simple. Does anybody own Swissborg here? Aren't they like an Nexo slash Celsius? Are they deeper than you said? They're like a Voyager, which means they do a little bit of everything. Yeah, like like a brokerage. I think they do, they might do lending, but I can't do that because I'm not in Europe. I just know that you can get certain type of cryptos on Swissborg. So I'll take it. But no, okay, we'll punt. I'm correct. Just kidding. I've got nothing else on your list. So we hit all my top 10. Well, great. Because now me and Mike are going to talk about IOTA and BTT. I can talk about BTT, but you may not like it. That's okay. You know, great. Then we'll save it for last. So IOTA 2.7 billion. And they use this. So it's not, I mean, it is a blockchain. But they, it's like, it's a DAG, right? Yes, without the, yeah, acrylic graph or something like that. And it's a new way to function as far as blockchain goes. So it was a great project. I mean, it's still a great project. I've had one of the CEOs or the co-founders on 2.7 billion tokenomics, 2.53 for the all-time high in 2021. Now it's on a 79 cents. So I said five bucks. And that was kind of like a throwaway. Mike, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to diverge into you so you can explain why this could potentially be big. I mean, well, I think IOTA is a little bit ahead of this time because it's, it does have the quantum computer resistance, which is going to be coming in the next eight to 10 years. I mean, that's a big deal. But sometimes when projects are too ahead of their time, they don't succeed, right? And we've seen that happen in the past. And so for me, with it being a DAG, with it being able to be more scalable with some of the issues that regular blockchains have, and with it having the quantum computer resistance, I definitely think it gives it the ability for staying power, but we have to see it continue to, you know, implement, get developers have projects that have to be built on. And we've seen, you know, wallets come out for like Firefly and things like that. But we still have to see a lot more things happen for IOTA. I do think potentially though, with the big run, IOTA can hit on a bullish side 10 bucks by the end of the year. Dang. Okay, we'll see. We'll see how that works out. Hopefully I have some IOTA. That was one of my, I think it was down like 60, 70%. So I'm like, I know the guys, I like the team, they are ahead of their time. So I just bought it because I was like, it's a great deal. Now, let's see if it actually move on. And lastly, and this is, and we'll finish this up. And thanks guys, we've been here for like an hour, an hour and 15 minutes. Can you believe that? Just warming up. I've got my list of microcaps we're going to talk about next. Oh, that's right. We're going to have a microcaps. So BTT, it's got, it's, it's holaciously big. Let's just call a spade a spade, like I always like to say. And we're looking at, oops, sorry, wrong. Let me put this back. 659 billion is the circulating supply. Max supply is one trillion. That's what the T. So the all time high, it did hit a penny. So 0.012. Now it's down to a fraction of that 0.0026. I can see it doing things 0.02. As far as like, you know, two cents on the upside. And it all depends on are people going to use BTT and correct them wrong? I could be wrong. It's all about file storage, kind of like Filecoin. You can actually store some things as far as like, in a decentralized manner. Or is it also for like other data sources? Mike, I'm going to take this one away because you know way more than I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So file sharing, data storage, being able to stake it. Of course, it has the torn as well. And so being able to pretty much store people's and one thing I did talk about this Filecoin and this BTT, they both control most of the market share when it comes to the decentralized storage in the crypto market cap. Okay. Filecoin is number one. And then Bitcoin, I mean, Bitcoin is number two. So when you look at first players and first people have the most market share, I see Filecoin as being the project where people store most of the most important things, whereas BTT will be stored as like everyday things, like maybe NFTs, that's not as valuable as some others or things like that. That's where I see BTT coming in more, but everyday use case that's super fast that can be transferred anywhere in real time. Because when you look at Tron, their whole idea is to decentralize the internet, where a lot of people hate Justin Sun, right? They do hate him. They hate him with a passion. So I see the lover hate with this token. So I'm very curious to see what James has to say, man. No pun intended. If you don't want to say anything, I get it. Not asking for a price prediction, but just curious because you're very intelligent. So I'm very curious to see what you have to say on it, man. You guys are the smart ones. What gets me is, what I love about crypto is decentralization. And then you got this Justin Sun guy talking about building a decentralized platform, when in fact he bought one, centralized it. It just doesn't sit well in my brain. I just turned my head around it. Hey, Binance is the same thing. Binance Smart Chain. Come on. Come on. And I just think that the original community, the diehards, they've all bolted and they've forked into other kind of torn coins. I think this place is going to be so flooded with players. And we all live through the original, what was it? The original bit torn where people are file sharing movies and music back in the day. I remember those days. And then Justin, he bought it, so we're going to use BTT, and then that's it, decentralization. I think the safer play for people would be to invest in Tron if they really wanted a piece of this to get exposure rather than picking up bit torn itself. That would be my take, not investment advice. As you say, it's investment opinion. So yeah, that's it. And I hate to burst anybody's bubble, but Tron would be the safer play. That's okay. Okay. So now we already covered that. So everybody, thanks for stopping by on that part. If you want to go into overtime, we're going to talk about some small caps. So if anybody's got some small caps that they want to talk about, go ahead. This is the time. I've got two I want to talk about, but I'll open it up first to Mike or James if you guys got something like that. I've got a hard stop in a couple of minutes. So I've got a... So you are first. Let's hit it. Oh, I was only joking. I don't do micro caps. There are two we're going to analyze next. One is avalanche, and the second one is the graph. So I get hundreds of requests every day to do a token analysis, and I'm extremely selective. But so far, the graph is looking pretty good. And avalanche is interesting, but for me to invest means I got to flick something. So that's my discipline. What's it going to be? H-bar or V-chain? They are the two at the bottom of my totem pole right now. I'd like avalanche. I'm going to have somebody on the show from avalanche pretty soon. Cool. I like it. Smart Chain, I mean, smart contract functionality, and the team is outstanding. Again, invest in people. Mike, you got any small cappers that you're looking into? Not really. Not really. I think the smallest crypto I think I own is probably StormX. Yeah. And that one just made a big jump because of that Portland Trailblazer. I don't know what that does for the tokenomics, but I mean, it is a nice... It does nothing actually. But it is a nice story, and that just means vision for people to actually see it. The only thing I'd like to talk about lastly is two of my my big ones I want to see happen. World Mobile Token. Again, I'm an advisor, but this is great because they're going into parts of Africa. They're just... And this is the first one. Tanzania went into a village. They pop up these solar panels and these pods to give telecommunications and internet service. And that's just the first part. And then, of course, the second part is the World Mobile Token. And that's what they're going to use on the Cardano blockchain to give them functionality like digital ID, finance for accessibility to healthcare, and a couple of other things. So I like this one. It looks pretty good. And then the silo token we just talked about. And then there's one called Meld, which I just covered over at Dan Clips. And this one just looks interesting because if you're talking about, again, built on the Cardano blockchain, paying for your own loans. And that's what it's supposed to do. And I'm going to do it just service, but I'm going to link the video at the very bottom and you guys can check it out about that one. Those are the two ones that really aren't even out. But I will say there is one thing about this one that's cool is that we're all in the United States. So we can't get into a lot of these private sales. What Meld is doing is they're doing an ISPO, an initial stake pool offering. So you can do, you can put your ADA into their pool and they'll give you Meld. That's the only big thing. And that's it. So before we take off, I want to say this, thanks guys for sticking with me all the way to the end. There's a lot of information that went along. Before we leave though, James, Mike, do you guys have any advice for the crypto investor before we leave? Be very, very careful, everybody. What I like to look at is sometimes when people jump in and say, oh, this only has 100 billion tokens and it's only 10 cents or a penny. I can buy a truckload. Just look at the market cap. And then look at existing companies that you know, like a car company or an airline or a hotel group or a bank and equate them together and then think. So some of these things are completely overvalued. So it's very, very important to focus on the actual use case and how they will actually generate money over time. Because 95% of them, maybe 99% will go to zero. And then just look at the charts from 2017. Mike, you mentioned Stormax. I had to look at the chart. I'm like, oh, I hope Kevin Madison is 2017, buddy. No, no, I just got it in this year, man. Yeah. So again, if I don't think you say this, Rob, if endowed, zoom out and look at the big picture and equate them to other programs both in the legacy world as well as the modern world. But everything will be decentralized and tokenized. So focus as well on things that are truly decentralized, but have really good tokenomics and really good use cases and then you will all be fine. But take the time to do your homework or else you're going to lose your shirt. Don't spoil it. Invest. Or at the very least, watch a bunch of different people do their homework for you and then do a little bit of homework on the side so you don't have to be overwhelmed. That is cheating, but that's that's the beauty of the internet, James. You know, that's the truth. And then Mike, what do you got as far as like any kind of like great advice or good advice for the crypto investors, things that you've learned? Man, definitely do your own research, educate yourself. Kind of like we said on these price predictions, it's just investing opinion. Three guys having fun right on YouTube talking about crypto. So I mean, don't take this truly as financial advice and granted, there's people that's going to do it. And so all I'm saying is just be patient, educate yourself because at the end of the day, let's just be real for a second. You never know what type of day that YouTuber is having. I mean, we could be having a bad day. We could be crazy. You never know. You know what I mean? So let's just be real for a second. Do your own research, even if it sounds good. Back up what we're saying. If it checks out, awesome. You know what I mean? But with anyone, man, just back up what we're saying, educate yourself and be patient. Because I mean, if you truly understand crypto and blockchains the future, you're not panicking when these dips happen. I mean, you understand this is an opportunity. I mean, granted, easier said than done, I get that. But if you understand what you own truly, I mean, you're not going to be just panicking. Trust me. That's solid advice from both of you guys. And that's the big thing. I remember when I got in 2017 and I was like, all of a sudden it would just drop to the floor. I'm like, what happened? Now I'm down. And of course, I should have just dollar cost average and really done my research. I never did. And I was down like 50, 60, 70%. All right, everybody. So I know James here's got to go. He's getting Nancy. Mike has probably got it. He's probably sore from all the rolling today from the 50. That's it for today, guys. Thanks so much. And I'll link everything in the description below. Thank you as well, Robin. Pleasure meeting you, Mike as well. Face to face. Likewise. Let's all get together soon. We'll do it on your channel or Mike's channel next time. Yeah. Awesome. Great. Thanks, Jens. Take care.