 This this breaking report here up top. Oh That the stuff in red. Yeah, that's just my little intro I've been doing that lately with with with small stories like that that happened right before the show I'll just I'll just go into it and say alright Facebook is shutting down its paper news reading app on July 29 Here are the rest of the top stories, and then I'll hit you okay. I I do have a one sentence hot take on that Cool, let's see. Yeah, you well. Yeah I'll say here the rest of the top stories and then play the sting and then give you the the reaction. Yeah window Sausage being made. Oh, yeah All right, you ready? Yep This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, June 30th 2016. I'm Tom Marin joining me today Justin Robert young You're Justin Robert young not only here on Thursday. You're coming back tomorrow, too Man, we're going back to back like I leave the weapon post back Well just back to back, but yeah, man It's been it's been a fun week in technology We're gonna talk a little bit about a story Rico did about one of the alternatives Austinites are using in The wake of uber and Lyft leaving the city We're gonna bring in a couple of our Austinite friends to get their reactions as well indeed but First Facebook is shutting down its paper news reading app on July 29th here are the rest of the top stories Are you gonna miss paper Justin glad to see that magazines? No longer have a past barely have a present and officially now don't have a future when things like paper are shutting down And then the paper app that was in a fight over the name with Facebook the the drawing app can Rest easy the official Android account tweeted today, and I guess they snapchat it too Although I missed that that the official name of Android and will be new get Final release was coming sometime during q3 and they say by the end of the summer. We'll get it What have been a really good idea for them to just announce the name new get and not hold a Contest for who can come up with the best n words Right especially because pretty much everyone said well the best one is Nutella and They still decided to go with new get which Lauren good at recode called it by the way. I think her cat is named do get so that's why she was very excited about this So not not a bad choice, but yeah, I agree with you man. Just make the choice It's just just make the call right There's no need to do it especially with something as super weird is that any time that your product is anywhere associated with please name an n word You should exit the building as fast as you can Yes, but now no more Android end. It's Android new get yes Recode report Spotify general counsel Horatio Gutierrez sent a letter to Apple general counsel Bruce Sewell on May 26 accusing Apple of quote causing grave harm Unquote by blocking an update to the Spotify app The letter says Apple turned down the update for business model rules Regarding Apple's requirement that apps use Apple's billing system to acquire new customers Apple takes 30% of in-app subscriptions and prevents companies from promoting Alternative ways of subscribing within the iOS app itself the letter says that the denial quote Raises serious concerns under both US and EU competition law Waving around the legal threats. Are we Spotify? Yeah, so if you're if you're not aware like there's tons of companies like Amazon that just don't provide a way for you to subscribe It's one of my greatest complaints about comicsology, which is owned by Amazon is that when I use it on iOS I can't just go buy a comic book. I have to go to the web and buy it and then sync it The other way was what Spotify was doing which would they were saying well It's 999 a month unless you subscribe to the iOS app where they take 30% then it's 1399 a month but recently they promoted a Subscribe to Spotify on our website and get the first three months for 99 cents a month and Apple made them stop Yeah, and they stopped the ability to get a subscription through the iOS app and now they're they're coming after Apple So this is Spotify fighting this very single front war By bringing up the larger issues that are kind of commonly held with the app store They are going to beat them about the brow and shoulders with you're not updating things Your terms are onerous. You are being harmful and protectionist now There are validity's do all these issues and some of which Apple has addressed by making the process of Approval slightly less opaque and certainly by the numbers faster than it had been previously however This is make no mistake This is Spotify in a competition with Apple music and Apple in a competition with Spotify and now because they are Spotify has chosen a very Contagious battlefield to go back and forth with and there's a reason why we are reading about this and this isn't just an Internal back and forth Spotify wants this to be public because they want Apple to be viewed Right leader wrongly you can read this story and decide for yourself as protectionist and trying to stomp out a leader in the field so they can create their own competition and honestly I can't believe this is the first company that has gotten this up in arms about it Nobody likes the system where Apple says nope. You've got to give us 30% They did change it so that after the first year it drops. I think it's down to 10% but it is still a Quite a big amount to swallow if you're a big company that could get a better deal if it weren't for Apple's inflexible position So I think what Spotify is doing here has nothing to do with the app approval process I think Spotify very purposely put something in their app that they knew Apple wouldn't approve so that they can go Look at this reasonable thing we want to do They're anti competitive because they have their own music streaming service They're trying to take our money and keep all of their money and that is anti competitive whether they'll actually follow through with an actual lawsuit I somewhat doubt Spotify doesn't have nearly the pockets Apple does and Apple has showed it will fight legal precedent to the end But maybe they can convince some legislators on one side of the ocean or another To start looking into this and cause apple some trouble from that direction Yeah, this is them using the press to to make a gigantic thing and shape things where they want Yeah, and uh, frankly, I you know, I think they they have they and amazon and netflix and everybody who does subscriptions Have a point uh and apple Perhaps because they are so inflexible in saying like no, this is just the way it works Uh, it has forced finally forced somebody's hand. Okay, but but honestly, tom This is one of those things where everybody wants The people spot if I want you to put on your green t-shirt and start throwing things at at cupartino, right? They they are here for the flame war because this I mean this exact conversation They want you to discover weekly how apple is screwing them exactly they This is a very boring business e conversation that by and large most listeners to this show and Uh, just users at large don't won't really really care about if all of a sudden this was fixed in a Compromise where apple says yeah, you want to know what we're going to knock it down to uh for the first three months 25 percent and then it will year over year based on traffic and aggregate We will have these decisions that everybody was happy with like amazon has Listen, you have you have to pay the troll toll to get into the amazon marketplace. There's a reason why they are They are are taking that pound of flesh out from anybody who sells anything Within their store because they built a beautiful walled garden apple will continue to do the same thing The actual percentage on that may vary apple may back down Nobody cares about that in fact everybody who's listening is probably already asleep No, I all I all I care as a consumer is I want to be able to just shop in the app I don't care who's at fault. Let me freaking shop in my apps. Why can't I buy a freaking kindle book in my kindle app I can't on my android. Why can't I do that on ios? Also, happy happy one year anniversary apple music wants today. You're good Uh, the trans-pacific internet cable called faster goes live today thursday The cable stretches more than 9 000 kilometers connecting oregon to chiba and me pre fixtures in japan With a top speed of 60 terabits per second. Remember, it's back. I'll it's not going to bring that to your door It needs to be that fast a consortium including google global transit china telecom global singtel china mobile international and kddi funded the project with construction and technical assistance from nc And of course this brings that service inland beyond just the the landing points And is allowing a lot more connections to happen on both sides of the cable Very much looking forward to uh to to new pipelines, uh stronger harder and better What uh, what what do you think this like what what is the actual impact of of this? Uh going live like like will will end users see any difference or? Well, I I know that the end user will Likely not see a whole lot of difference. It brings more capacity which means that that more hookups can happen It means that if you're streaming something from japan, it's not going to be as laggy Uh, so so maybe you're you're I don't know your anime or if you're trying to connect to a japanese server for some reason That's going to help It's a bigger business deal for places like google who are trying to have a hand in owning more of the infrastructure So they can make sure that they have the tools in their negotiating belt For not only google the website, but google fiber as well Uh and because they can get some transit uh money out of this one would think You know tech companies come and go infrastructure companies last forever Absolutely no doubts Microsoft announced that the one terabyte version of the surface pro 4 and surface book previously available only in canada and the us Are coming to 10 new markets, australia austria china france hong kong new zealand switzerland And the uk can get them now germany and japan will have them later this month belgium ireland luxembourg and the netherlands Only get the surface pro 4 later this summer And uh people in those markets are excited uh to get these terabyte versions These are the more powerful versions. They're also the more expensive versions as well Samsung announced that the galaxy s7 and s7 edge will now be available unlocked in the united states Previously the devices could only be purchased locked to a carrier With the exception of certain phones at samsung experience stores in canada Which us people would have to go buy and then make a run for the border with the s7 and s7 edge are available at various online retailers today for $669.99 or $769.99 respectively So you want to know what here i'm gonna i'm gonna pair a little mini discussion with this next story here Earlier this week sony launched its playstation view tv service on the roku and thursday it went live on android Users of the service on the playstation get a new feature that keeps video playing in the window in the upper right hand corner While scrolling through viewing options the fire TV version of the ps view now supports 60 fps video and quick navigation overlay already used in the ps4 Now comes to the ps3 and fire tv users as well both of these stories nothing new continuing trends But we begin to see speaking of infrastructure companies hardware manufacturers and content providers or in this case In playstation's case content aggregators subscription bundlers Uh continuing to subvert the once unthinkable power Of infrastructure of comcast of 18 t You know i don't think 10 years ago you would necessarily see a manufacturer with samsung that sells a ton of phones in connection with 18 t in Verizon here in the united states Say hey look we have unlocked phones. We're gonna sell you an unlocked phone You know one of our flagship big gigantic Phones now it's a better deal for them to have a direct Relationship with the good with the consumer and then let the consumer decide where they're going to plug in infrastructure was Yeah, I I feel like it's uh Less obvious in the samsung story because more companies have been selling unlocked versions even from launch and and samsung Didn't do it with the galaxy as launch apple usually doesn't do it at launch with their iphone They usually wait a month or so before the unlocked versions, but you're right It's become the norm to say like hey where those unlocked versions at and people get very excited about them PlayStation view on the other hand coming to roku is An even bigger deal because it's a service that when it launched everybody was talking about well This this must just be to sell more playstations, right? They're they're gonna have this tv service But how many people are gonna do that and sony for whatever reason? Uh has either decided or maybe they planned it all along to say no We're gonna roll it out to as many platforms as possible. I I could tell you justin This is not a pretty interface on the roku one of the selling points of the playstation view on the playstation Is it's it's pretty gorgeous on the roku it is bare bones, but it has everything and It's designed around what do you want to watch? Not what television shows are on what networks right now In fact, if you want to find the channel listings, it's actually buried like two levels down in a menu So sony, I think has become the leader now. There was other news today that sling added mbc channels as well, but I think that I I really do think that this is a power play for sony to say maybe maybe we have our own service here Forget the playstation. That's something that we can sell on its own Well, by the way, don't do not bury the fact that this is now Uh a sling and microsoft available on the roku. We now have very mature competing not going anywhere services That are here on one platform. You have consumer choice Tom finally we have broken the yoke of these bundling cable companies Melting us for all that we're worth so we can finally have a package of channels on a box Here's the thing that is that is perfectly accurate. That's perfectly fine to say But the big the big advantage to both of these packages is sling and playstation view I can get no matter where I live in the united states Unlike comcast time Warner, etc You know, we're going to bring brian brushwood into the conversation to talk about uber and lyft in austin because that's where he lives But he he showed up already here and I can't help but wanting to get my co-host from cord killer's opinion On this playstation view news as well. It's a it's a weird moment to stumble into what I thought was dts But suddenly we're live on an episode of cord killers I got to agree with justin if what we're doing is consolidating all back to having everything be in that one box Weirdly, I don't even care as long as that one box doesn't require me to memorize channel codes like ip addresses And instead treats me like a civilized human being who could just search through a menu for the things that I want I think and that that's a really good point brian because it really highlights the fact that Maybe the bundling wasn't really what we were what we were upset about after all right like maybe the bundling Maybe the bundling was a good idea. Maybe it's just the fact that The the ui on all cable boxes has been straight garbage for a solid two decades Maybe it's just the fact that you have these excruciating horror stories that require like, you know propose legislation in california about Canceling your service. Maybe it's the constant trying to shove down other antiquated technology into random bundles Like security like home security or our home phone or something Maybe it's all that that we were really annoyed about maybe this whole like hey a bunch of uh channels for a reasonable price I don't know. Maybe that was fine And now that sling has mbc and playstation view is on the roku Uh, there there are fewer and fewer differences between these that the advantage to sling was always it's on more platforms It's only on like one or two more platforms now than playstation And the advantage to playstation is you pay and you get everything whereas with sling They now have this weird package deal We're like well one package has espn and abc and the other package has fox and mbc And if you buy both packages, we'll give you a little discount and it's it's confusing Uh, I will say this up big big heads up to any professional wrestling fans as i am USA now on both packages added to sling dude. That is not just for pro wrestling fans That's for mr. Robot fans who were this close to signing up for playstation view But guess what suddenly they are perfectly happy with their sling tv subscription Uh, finally google maps for android has added the ability to do multi stop directions after you add your first destination You can tap the corner menu and choose add a stop You can also change the order of the stops by tapping and holding the three dot menu to the left of the field Features coming soon to ios It is something you could do on the web before and it's something I think i'm pretty sure i've done it in ways So it's not the first mapping app to do it, uh, but a lot of people just you rely on google maps and android is the dominant platform So this is a big deal for a lot of people Can all right you guys ready for a real a real flaming hot take i'm ready. I'm ready I got my flame retardant code on all map apps need a gigantic ui overhaul Like they are they are not designed For i i've constantly and i've used you used to travel for for a living used to live on on google maps There are there's so much that is either a Me trying to futz with this thing while i'm uh, I should be driving when I should be focusing on something else The idea that you can add a stop While great for all the anal retentive chefs out there who know exactly which gas station they're going to stop at on their way To uh, you know on a four-hour drive for the rest of us I mean, I don't know. I mean you would want an easier way to say. Oh, I need gas Where's the best place for me to get gas? There's a fantastic app that does that called road ahead and uh, Unfortunately, I discovered it in the sunsetting years of my touring But but basically it takes your route wherever you are whatever highway you're on and it says this is what's available And it's all bright big icons that you could see while you're driving Like these are the food places. These are the gas places. This is how far off the highway They are for this exit next exit the exit after that Yeah, shift ahead a little bit You know the only problem is and it's so funny because I always remember it when I'm in austin and specifically when I've been driving from austin to houston Yes For whatever reason the highway the main highway you need to go on that road ahead doesn't list, you know and this is Yeah, that because because they are highway dependent. They're not universal Like so they have mapped out Like highway by highway, but if your highway isn't on there, it's of no use to you Google maps ways all these companies that have been mapping all of this stuff forever Need to be better at this and while I think this is a good idea Uh, I functionally I I just I've having lived in these apps. I think that there is Gigantic room for a huge overhaul Uh, I can't argue with you I mean ways does some of what you're talking about with the with the the gas stations and food things showing up But it's inconsistent and their sponsors obviously get way better Visibility than the other things So yeah, I I hate to say it, but I agree Fix your stuff mapping apps. That doesn't make for good radio. No, it doesn't We need we need we need more controversial topics. Actually, we don't you guys submit plenty of controversial topics Sometimes very very questionably sourced But they're always fun to look at at daily tech news show dot reddit.com get in there teaglass 1976 cool And sv strike it rich one steve io another j martin and more are helping us make the show better By submitting stories and voting on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines All right, I've already introduced him But brian brushwood austin resident host of scam school for discovery and hacking the system for nat geo And cord killers on the diamond group is here to chat with us about living in austin Of course, brice can steal with you as well your producer who who also has to get around austin Yeah, so so let me ask let me ask you real quick brice Have you been profoundly affected by the uber lift? exodus because I know that that for me Um, you know, obviously i'm in a position where my wife would much rather. I spent the extra $2040 in order to go home or go downtown safely and come back But but but being a single person living you live closer to downtown, right? Yeah, I'm about 15 minutes How much did you use it? How much were you affected by it? I started I really started using lift a lot right before they went away And so there was a brief period of a couple of weeks after they after they left where I was like, well You know, I wanted to go out, but I don't I don't know about these new apps And so I'm a little hesitant and it definitely like swayed my Uh my usage, um, but then a few weeks ago. I did use one of them I used fasten which is one of the bigger alternatives here And it was actually it was a pretty good experience My one downside is I I was trying to get home from the bar And it made me log in again, but I definitely forgot my password All right, we've we've got a solution for you that might work better than this Before we get to that though just real quick for those who don't realize in may Austin voters Voted against a proposition that would have exempted ride hailing services From requirements to use the city's fingerprint background check Uber does require all drivers to undergo federal and county background checks But not fingerprint background checks and not the system that the city of austin wanted them to use So uber and lift stopped operations in austin Other services like fasten have started to operate and they are cooperating and doing the background checks But recode reported on another alternative today. I don't want to hear what you guys think of this It's a valet parking service called lux now It mostly does computer stuff like you drive in you, uh, you schedule a drop off You hand the keys they go park it in their secure garage Then when it's time for you to leave you give them like a 15 minute heads up They bring the car to you Uh, they have a a service available in los angeles san francisco and austin Called drive home that they launched six months ago And a lot of people are starting to use this instead of uber and lift when they go out to the bars like you did brice You drive your car in you have you have lux park it for you and then when you leave the bar Uh, you set up for them to not only bring you your car, but drive you home And then I guess the lux driver just kind of has to find their own way home from wherever you live But they they just charge you an extra weight rate based on the number of miles they have to drive you So there there's a one of the things when I when I heard this story I looked into lux. I've already downloaded the app. I'll give it a try sometime over the next week I'll tell you guys what my experience is but my favorite thing that I read About the mission statement for lux is that we want it. We don't want to be a parking app We want to be we pick up your car It disappears into a black hole It doesn't matter where it is and all you know is that when you get it back It's cleaner than it was when you dropped it off the oil's been changed transmission fluid or they charge extra for that stuff But you're right you can have that done that but but again, but again like from a from a perfect vision of what this is going to be Unfortunately, um, I'm really of two minds of this tom on the one hand. This is what happens when you Uh, when you try to yank something out of a market of willing buyers and willing sellers You get a bunch of weasley stuff something fills the void The whole reason that uber and lift exploded was because they essentially let's face it provided cab service But they didn't call it cab service. They said we're a rideshare app. We don't need to have those regulations So they heaped on a bunch of regulations to those and now they chased them out of town Uh, and and it's a yes, it's a big battle of egos. I'm not really concerned either way But now we have lux doing the same thing saying we'll get you from point a to point b But we're not a cab app and we're certainly not a ridesharing app We're a valet parking service That just happens to drive you 15 miles out to your house for a fee of 25 plus three dollars per mile to get out there Which is the big bummer is because On the one hand i'm doing the calculus and it's like to uber in and then uber home I'm looking at 40 or 50 bucks for the evening But to do just this if I drive myself in drop my car off and then have them drive me back I'm looking at 25 plus three dollars per mile That's easily an extra 80 dollars on top of the on top of the actual Parking price that's also factoring in how long you're going to be down there if you head downtown for a real day of Drinking starting at like 2 p.m. And ending at 2 in the morning like that is that is a hefty hefty fee for You all right Oh, I'm sorry. I was just gonna say I feel like the only responsible journalism is for you to An eye to investigate this firsthand That's how I will be willing to go forth and find this out And we will be happy to charge it to daily tech news show because we are Uh, all right speaking of journalism are you guys ready for justin's cranky bands journalism rants about what's wrong? What's wrong with what's wrong with this system other than they had to do it But what there's nothing wrong with luck saying well, there's no uber and lift so let's let's make this happen Okay, uh number one We put a pin in that for two seconds this story bothers me because it's a a press release for A service that we have no idea how much it's being used or not used Uh, they they they quote in here that it's being used 120 percent more than it was before that could be 140 percent actually, but I'm sorry. That means it could be used five times instead of the previous three We have no idea any kind of percentage stuff like that Especially over a hundred percent when you have no idea what the baseline is is effectively useless And this story does not ask them what I think brian is is hinting at and what you just brought up This is the only question you need to ask when it comes to this kind of service because again, they are saying They are exempt from all the laws that that uh, the city of austin was going to heap on uber and lift for which by the way uber and lift still operates in the satellite suburbs of of austin so brian for example Uh, who lives just on the edge of things can get a ride into austin. He cannot get a ride out of austin Uh, they are saying we are exempt from this because we are a valet parking service The only question that they needed to ask lux is if all of a sudden The the eye of sauron that is city legislation now turns to you dear lux and they say no no no You need to have this fingerprint ID system as well Are you going to do it and will that affect if the answer is yes? Will that affect your pricing? That's the only question because what we have here in austin Is a very interesting situation Where we are seeing what transportation in the city looks like in a tech savvy young city That does a growing city that does not include uber and lift which is a fascinating question Uh, but i don't know exactly how many hard Uh, how many really hard answers we're going to take out of this If we're not going to understand that eventually the city is going to come for all these things and say either we're going to take down these this this specific, uh hurdle you have to clear or Everybody who is driving a car whether it's yours or somebody else's needs to go by it Let me tell you why you're wrong and then let brian decide which of us is right Okay Because he's the one that actually has to live this i think you're wrong because first of all lux has a very valid defense for not having to get the background checks Which is that they go through rigorous interviews in a training process They only accept five percent of applicants because they're having to deal with insurance on valet services Which are quite restrictive and insurance on garage services, which i imagine or also have their own concerns And they're driving your car They're not driving their car and that's a big difference And i don't think it will matter because it's been since what may since uber and lift pulled out How long will uber and lift finally play this game of chicken until they blink or someone like fasten Finally has done it long enough to gain a little bit of word of mouth And fill the gap of people like i don't want to even drive my car. I don't want to wait 15 minutes for a valet I just want to take a car. I don't care if it's uber lift fasten Cowboy texas showdown transit. I don't care what it is Somebody is going to fill that gap because they're saying well, you know what i'm willing to do the fingerprint background check Because it's because there is no one else to compete with Uh, yes, first of all, uh, if you're interested in this story if you think it's awfully unusual that austin one of the most tech-savvy Capitals in the united states would do such a thing I highly highly recommend ryan holiday's fantastic article Just look up ryan holiday uber lift and maybe uh austin ego in there You'll find out how it was really just a giant game of chicken that with that broke bad Um, the uh, i think tom i think both you guys are right of course for different reasons Tom nails it right on the head when he explains that as long as there's willing buyers and willing sellers There will form a market to match the two and um I I I don't know whether it will be a legitimate quote-unquote service like fasten or an illegitimate service like the way a lot of people are using these So-called illegal facebook groups Point a to point b. I do know I do know that um uh That this luxe thing feels like it is poorly priced to really fill the void I have no doubt number one justin that you're a hundred percent right I have no doubt this is a press release disguised as a news story Uh, number two I have no doubt that uh many people will use it and it will make sense for them But I gotta tell you man this this doubles this is more than just at a rough estimate This is more than twice the expense of me taking a lift downtown and then taking a lift back Uh, it would be twice as much just to get that and what I'm really I'm gonna hesitate to use this phrase looking forward to what I really am curious to see Is uh is what this does to the uh to the dui arrests in in in the capital But but I'll tell you this much people gonna drink people gonna go downtown people gonna try to get back By whatever means me makes sense and I'm glad to see more people Making an attempt to fill that hole But I'm not so thrilled that it's a stupidly expensive Extra weasley way to make something legitimate Well, I mean like I guess my my point is I don't think it's weasley. I just think that You know uber and lyft made these exact same arguments They also said that they went through gigantic rigorous processes to hire who they hired They also said that they turned away more people that they then they wound up letting uh run their service This is not new and the city wound up coming for them Anyway, there are like either I mean the the larger question here And I think that it's a matter of time before these restrictions wind up getting relaxed because the problem Will be the same for all of them as they are for uber and lyft right now as I understand it uber makes a Very slim amount of money for every transaction lyft loses money for every transaction I don't know what lux is they seem to be you know, it is they're called lux, right? That this is supposed to be a luxury service So they are are charging a premium and probably are coming out ahead on some level for this despite the fact that I'm I'm sure it's absolutely true that they have to go through a lot of regulatory processes already just to run however Uh Either the city will say we're going to make it hospitable for you guys to run your businesses here Or they will say not and and you're going to continue to either get more expensive services like we have now or Like brian about pointed out you have these facebook groups that are essentially age sex location. Where can I pick you up? brian and bryce, we know you guys are right in the middle of shooting something else So we really appreciate you taking the time to jump in here and talk to us about this anything to let folks know about before We go, uh, absolutely not by You can find uh more brian brushwood at schwood.com or something like that. 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What do you think about the possibility of buying one of the moto g phones from amazon at the Advertising discount where they put advertisements on your lock screen and then flashing the rom Do you think amazon has found a way to set up the phone to not allow changes? um It's a good question And i'm sure amazon has taken what measures they could think of to stop you from doing that But if history is any guide, justin someone will find a way around it I am almost positive. It will violate your terms of service. Yeah, that's that's pretty much the the bottom line there So, uh, that's between you and your god of terms of service shame shame shame, mr Shame you know be careful when you start telling shame to somebody may turn around on you later on Uh mark from overcast colorado springs, uh was listening to our conversation. Actually our post show conversation About the radios and transistor radios we used to to use after our conversation with tomorrow on yesterday's show And said this reminded me of my late nights listening to the radio with my pillow speaker too bad the nine volt batteries Were so expensive probably bought the radio multiple times over in battery costs But it was one of those little flat speakers you could put under the pillow and have the radio on while you fell asleep Uh, so you wouldn't bother anyone else in the room But you'd be able to hear it right through the pillow bill burling game said in 1948 as near as I can remember My parents gave me a portable radio either for christmas or my birthday, but it was not transistor based But vacuum tube based and manufactured by g e So it must have been kind of pricey and then mike said I had one of the early $50 transistor radio models. It was my one christmas gift because $50 was a lot back then I also was born with a hearing loss So I wore one of those pocket hearing aids with the long cord and people often asked me if I was listening to the radio And I would say no I was I actually am not at this time I I think he should have just given fake sports scores at that Like you should have like yep the angels are up three one The steelers the uh, houston colt 45s are Uh, so thank you folks. Keep your emails coming feedback at daily tech news show dot com. Thank you. Justin robert young Uh, we'll have you back tomorrow, but anything to tell people about before then Yeah, you want to know what speaking of sports so out of left field totally free For those of you who are a fan of either hockey or uh rap music or the pittsburgh penguin specifically Uh, it's so weird in 2009 my brother and I who are both huge pittsburgh penguins fans made a parody rap song to celebrate the pittsburgh penguins our favorite team winning the stanley cup You wound up getting played on a lot of the local pittsburgh radio stations It was a parody of the lonely island song. I won the cup or sorry. I'm on a boat It was called. I won the cup this year the penguins won the cup again So we again have made a parody rap song head over to my twitter Or soundcloud twitter both are justin r young twitter.com slash justin r young or soundcloud dot com slash justin r young and you can find Me and my little brother erica rapping to our brand new 2016 edition of uh, I just won the cup different song a different parody of a different song I I it makes me rationally happy to have made it if anybody is a pittsburgh penguin sports fan I can tolerate a little cursing Then uh, then please I don't know over there and check it out I I think it was it was it's always it'll like to work with my brother and it was fun to do It's a penguin stanley cup winning tradition now It is every time it happens. You'll have to do a rap song with your brother I know I know too bad. We were both like nine and six when they uh, when they won their cups in 91 and 92, so Yeah, well, you retroactively. Maybe you can figure it out. 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It's was even thinking towards the end like i'm gonna i'm gonna It didn't yeah, I didn't we didn't really the the the conversation wound up going to another place but uh car to go car to go used to be the um the way uh The way to do it from from all the pros that the real the real a hard party in pros that I knew that lived in downtown austin uh Not not brian brian kind of lives out in the boonies right right um So the idea is these are all over the city. They're these little escape pod. He's like toyota yaris Uh, if that's smaller little uh, you know two seeders, right? You subscribe But you don't book them like you would uh, oh like a zip car or something like a zip car or something you literally just Uh see on your app where the cars are You hop in It's charged by the minute you park it on the side of the street You'll leave it go and and you just walk away and so what if you park it in a like meter without paying for it? I think they uh a street parking was was what they like you had to park it in some kind of a Street place. I guess if they get a ticket, they'll know you were the one using it at that time or whatever Yeah, yeah, so you have to you have to you have to you know be be kind and rewind in terms of the uh the the the collective parking but Uh, the the cool thing was is, you know, it was fairly inexpensive, especially if you're just going around, you know Across town. It was only a you know five six ten 20 minute maybe ride It was it was inexpensive and then you car to go there and you would uber back Uh So you save a little money on the front end because your car to go But you don't have to worry about getting the car back Exactly Um, I would have definitely used that if that was available in 1998 wouldn't wouldn't uh google like self-driving cars pretty much like Own this industry because you just bring up your smartphone the door unlocks You get in drives you there does whatever yes, but but so would a series of uh, of of drones Where you would just hang on like a monkey bar and go as the crow flies like Um Ian says car to go has agreements with the city to sort out stuff. I assume he's referring to tickets and things Um titles. Yes titles. We need them. Uh, that kind of lux is just for us Nice, I have a sucker for a lord reference. Oh, wow uh Breaking news sunbun in the chat room add non-sayed of serial fame granted new trial due to failure of cross-examining Cell phone tower expert Say sorry. Sorry. Sorry. What add non getting oh Oh the serial person got it Interesting All right. Hey lux take take me drunk. I'm home again Do you even lift bro? Ride sharing the system Austin as a service Where can I pick you up? Austinites no longer are uberites Driving for a city Pardon me I came for dtns. I stumbled on the court killers Or night attack night attack Or a Veronica short of a dragon con panel Uh Designated I kind of want to do that kind of lux is just for us, but I think it's less clear Then what was the other one? Austin as a service Do you want to do Austin as a service? I don't know. What do you guys like? um Austin as the service is Makes it a little more sense than that kind of lux is just for us But that's me Mr. Mr. Young uh I would say Let me take a look at them I think that kind of lux is just for us a little uh A little little wordy I kind of like Austin as a service. All right Done Austin As a service Service of not letting you get away without fingerprint background checks No, I thought we did a good job of steering clear of bothering Digging up the corpse of that debate and just getting on with like okay. Look. This is what they did so Now what now now what? It's gonna be it's gonna be an amazing future. I'm sure of it I still the more I the more we talked the more I realized like yeah, Justin's right This is a great press opportunity for lux, but they are not the solution They will not become the thing that sweeps the nation Also, I hate bellies Well, that's that's the biggest part right one of the things I love about uber is it's usually five minutes or less Yeah, that's where I'm lucky enough to live in a place where that's true Uh, if all of a sudden it was like well, you have to tell us when you're coming Because that's that I don't know if we made that clear, but that is part of the thing with lux And you have to tell us 15 minutes before you're ready to leave I'm like, oh, that's that's just not as nice as being able to be like wherever I want to be You have to tell them. I don't know It's just I'm sorry. It's just it takes the spontaneity out of traveling and then you're doing all these It's not just planning. You're now micro planning. It is a great service to have if I don't know Actually, it's a better service to have somebody somebody should provide that service for you when you didn't know you would need it Like that's the problem is you have to schedule it up front I can't drive to the bar and then come out of the bar and go. Whoa, man. I can't drive You know, exactly that's so Here's you know and and the argument against your your point of like, oh, well a competitor can come in here and And and establish a market hold is the reason why Lift and uber are pulling out is not necessary is number one That they don't want to show precedent That they are uh, that this is something that they Will cave to because you got a lot of other city council members In a lot of other cities who want to be famous and want to be the ones who who tagged stuff on to You know uber and left they've they've very much so many times of ubers And lips own making been had contentious relationship with the city regulations They have they have relied on the will of the people to demand if not out and out lobbying to demand Like they did in in austin to disastrous effect that they end the regulations to them But uber and lifts point of view is you want to know what if you think you can make money doing this with this regulation Then have at it because lift isn't making money per transaction, you know Ubers barely making money per transaction. So their point of view is you want to know what you want to light money on fire Go ahead, uh, you know lose a dollar per ride, but make it up on volume now that you have all this Now you have all this this, uh, you know oxygen to breathe Uh, whether or not, you know, I think ultimately what's going to happen is that austin's going to cave austin's going to say hey look, uh, really all we're here is for safety We're gonna strike a bargain Uh with these companies to say safety first then it'll be the austin Safety initiative and they'll all sign it and they'll all shake hands and well, yeah Uber and lift will come to the table with some kind of something That says well, we'll start using this background check thing Which is even stricter than the one and then that'll give Some face saving and yeah, I think you're probably eventually uber and lift are going to come back But in the meantime, it is very interesting to see what springs up because this is not a bad idea Well, and that's that that's where I was going is somebody's going to figure out how to work within the existing rules and if they do When when and if that happens with uber and lift? Suddenly they'll have an easier time And they will be competitive in a way that uber and lift won't be because they will have been operating in the city through the whole shebang Yeah, I mean although The the higher security threshold means that the barrier to entry is higher and You know, we we have we have seen in the past especially when you have entrenched Market leaders The often times the regulations that are created to curtail the market leaders wind up also creating a higher barrier to entry for market disruptors Right, and so that's why We're talking about lux because lux We're not doing ride sharing. We're doing Ride returning like that's what we're doing Yeah, but it is different to say i'm driving your car home for you I'm not saying that they're not that they're misrepresenting themselves. I think they're totally representing themselves, right? I'm saying that there's a reason why it's coming from outside that field that has this You know a regulation that uber and lift are calling onerous and not from inside And that's why I would say if lux decided. Oh, wow actually there's kind of a market here And we could have we could kind of afford Provided we don't get any new regulations thrown on us We can afford to make this more competitive or afford to uncouple Our parking service from our ride home service and now and here's the other thing the valet restrictions are More rigorous because you're dealing with handling people's cars while they're not there I wonder if lux is looking at it saying even if the city of austin came at us We'd qualify because we already do x y and z And that's true, but oftentimes these this kind of governmental heat does not necessarily come down Well here, let me just put it this way. I had a friend of mine that used to work for chuck schumer He was an intern for chuck schumer. All right Her job every day senator charles schumer senator charles schumer who was famously The the the famous idiom about charles schumer is the most dangerous place in washington to be is between chuck schumer and a microphone uh Chuck schumer Used to and i'm sure still does it right now. There is somebody who has either wrapped up or is is getting ready to cut out headlines From all the major newspapers in new york city in new york state To count up how many Were there for chuck schumer at the time the other senator from new york was hillary clinton And and then to compare them to the other person Uh, he would then take those headlines or the other headlines of the day and would fashion his points on top of it My point is that notoriety oftentimes equals governmental attention go ahead and ask draft kings and fan duel Uh, how they think they would have done if they both hadn't become the two largest sponsors on espn In one calendar year because they had a lot of regulation that was brought on them when they became very very successful and famous Uh, that's what happened to uber and lyft and if lux took off it would happen to lux too now whether or not Those regulations would be successful That's another story because as brian pointed out the uber and lyft thing wound up going down the way it did because There was a a just You know a real sword fight, uh, you know the the kind of sword fight that doesn't happen with tempered blades Between the city valerian steel. Yeah, and and and the companies so Maybe they'd handle it differently. Maybe they'd handle it better. Maybe by the rules They would have the the correct case that they were covered But you know That ultimately doesn't mean all that much when that was the exact same argument that uber and lyft made beforehand Still have lord running through my head now. Thanks everybody That kind of lux is just for us We are different kind of what bus bus. No, I don't it's not what it is Uh, I just was looking for a transportation rhyme That kind of ride hailing I'm gonna start saying ride hailing when I talk about these companies because there's very little sharing going on Yeah All right Thanks everybody for watching or listening or Just not doing either and somehow playing us for no reason. We could appreciate all of it We love it. Love it all. 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