 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, Oh boy. We had the human garage here at Mind Pump headquarters. We went down to visit them. When did we go down to visit those guys? It was about a month and a half ago and they've come highly recommended by several of our fitness buddies and gurus that we have a lot of respect for. And they kept telling us, you got to go down and see these guys at human garage. You got to go see these guys at human garage. Finally, we were down in LA for something else. And we said, hey, let's look up the human garage guys and let's get in contact. And that was when we all went down there and they did work on me first. And we were all really impressed. We are impressed with a lot of the stuff that they were doing. They have a different approach. They do. They have a holistic type of approach towards chronic pain. I mean, it's almost like it's combining so many different modalities on working on the entire human organism. Very, very smart people. Again, highly, highly recommended to us. And the people that they treat, I mean, everything from professional athletes to celebrities, many which we can't name. But these people think very highly of these guys and they come up here. We recorded an episode with them and then they worked on Justin, which was hilarious. That was a lot of fun because they did some like work inside his mouth to change his posture. And I mean, we talk about in this episode because some of the stuff we're not familiar with, it's very, very different. If you don't know what's going on, it seems like a bunch of parlor tricks. Like if you don't understand what they're doing on a neurological, physical level to the body by hitting these certain points, it looks like a bunch of parlor tricks. It's interesting stuff. It's probably the evolution of health when it comes to treating posture and pain. I think this is where a lot of people are gonna have to go. And their success rate's very high. If you look at their clients and some of the reviews and stuff, it's pretty phenomenal. We have a great conversation with Gary and I hope I'm saying his last name right, Lineham. He's the founder, very smart guy, very interesting story, which you're gonna hear in this episode. Now, you can find their website at humangarage.net, that's online. Their main location is in LA. And I think they have like a wait list that's really, really long. They do. Yeah, because people from all over are checking these guys out. But anyway, without any further ado, here we are talking to Gary from the Human Garage. My final transition to my own alignment is I've gone all, taken all lift out of my feet and all natural feed. And that, as soon as I did that through my body, it's a bit of a shock. It's something you have to transition into because your body doesn't get proper feedback. My shoes were actually compensating as I walked. Yeah. Did you go through a transition phase or did you just go straight into? Transition phase. You went from six inch heels to down to three inch heels. Then regular sneakers and then now these things. So it's funny, cause we work with Nike and the corporate and they bring over all the shoes and I put them on within 30, 40 minutes. My neck is starting to get tight. Is it really? You know, a lot of people when they, when the whole barefoot thing started, you know, barefoot training, barefoot running, people would, I had clients who were runners and they'd be like, oh, this is great. Dude, you gotta read this book. Like running barefoot is the way to train. That's like natural. And then, you know, a week later, back in the like, they go from like moon shoes to like nothing. And I'm like, you can't, you can't just jump like that. Your suit, your feet are so de-conditioned. Our feet are completely, actually most adults have pretty much permanently disfigured feet. You can, you can correct a lot of it, but you're not going to be able to go back to where, where we should be at. Where are those pictures you showed me of like? So the problem. Oh, sorry, go ahead. Oh, I showed him. Oh no, you just, you just interrupt when you feel like it. That's how this shit works. Otherwise you won't get fucking in. You'll sit here for an hour and not get a word in with these motherfuckers. You want to say something, you just right in there. So we, we think of the- Like I was saying, no, no. We, go ahead now, go ahead. Sorry, we think of the problem being at our feet, but really we generate all momentum for our hip, from our hips and our feet land. So we run with our hips and our feet land. And so the dysfunction is really at the hips. And if we correct that first and the feet have a chance, if you haven't corrected the dysfunction at the hips, then you have no chance. And by going barefoot, you'll get beat up. And that's what even for me in this transition, because I was working with Dr. Luke as I switched, I had to keep being adjusting for the first two weeks, I had to keep adjusting all the time because my body kept wanting to go back to the whole pattern. Yeah, what Justin was talking about earlier is I showed him a picture of some modern hunter-gatherer feet. And they look like, like hands almost. Like the toes are all spread out and they're like, yeah, and it looks totally different from, it actually looks deformed, but reality, our feet are all jacked up. They're the ones with the good feet. For sure, absolutely. How long did it take you to transition from that, from actually getting to the point where you could handle it? Because obviously you couldn't do that day one, it would make you sore as fuck to walk around with bare feet or shoes that are that minimalized. Well, let's be honest. Actually, six months ago, I was sore walking around with tennis shoes on. Oh, wow. This whole human garage experiment was just me getting fixed. And I was the most dysfunctional, functional person you ever met. I looked functional, which was worse than being disabled. I mean, for disabled, everybody knows you're disabled. If you look functional and you're in pain and you're walking around, everybody's like, what's wrong with you? And so that transition was over years for me, but the final bit of it is, as I stopped needing less and less therapy, and for me, one of the biggest changes was squatting. I squat four to five hours a day right now. And I squat when I'm on the phone, I squat when I'm eating, I squat. You know, I'll be sitting on the couch, I was on vacation, sitting on the couch on vacation, crashed out watching some movie, and I was starting to feel tight and I realized I get up and I realized I wanna squat. So I squatted for 15 minutes, got back up on the couch. And I know it sounds weird, but the more that I squat, because we generate momentum from the hips, the more balanced my gait is and the less disruptions I have in the rest of my body. One of the biggest game changes for me was actually starting to apply that right there. You know, I'd seen chiropractors, I'd seen PT's, and I always dealt with low back issues, tight IT, hip stuff going on. I've always had this stuff in my ankle pronates. So I've got all these little things that have bothered me. Nothing has alleviated more aches and pains in my body than simply doing that 10, 15 times a day all the time. Like, well, you'll see us kick our shoes off and then we'll set up, we'll perch up on here. We're down in the 90, 90 position half the time now just to get internal external rotation. Just getting comfortable in that position. That has done more for me than any program that I've followed or exercise routine that I've tried to stay, just making the habit of getting down in that position. It's funny how much we've lost that. It's such a fundamental position for humans that we completely lost. Yes, there's two things that we were designed to do that we don't do anymore, squat and walk. We were designed to walk 60,000 steps a day. It's about 12 miles, roughly. Hold on, 60,000? Yeah, 12 miles, hunter-gatherers. So this is based on observations with hunter-gatherers and how many steps they walk every single day. Yeah. I've never heard that number before. Yeah, that's why I'm asking. You go out all the time on the show how crazy it is that the average American now only steps like 4,000 to 5,000 steps a day. Unless you're in LA where we live and it's like less than 1,000. Right, that's giving you some love right there. Well, so here's something that you should know that in Toronto they have 40% less orthopedic surgeries, disruptions, back pains, neck pains, problems that they do in LA. And the reason why is because they walk three and a half miles a day on average. More than LA people, yeah. And then we have the flip side of that phenomena, the ones who are actually squatting. And I noticed you guys said you take off your shoes when you're squatting. It's super important because I've been squatting for years, but specifically over the last six months, four to five hours a day every day. And when I went to the middlemost shoes and the ones I'm wearing are the Vivo Barefoot, these are awesome and I've got the whole line now. And I got rid of every other shoe that I own. I started squatting in these and I hadn't been squatting in Barefoot because I was always working. I worked six days a week, 12, 13 hours a day. And I started squatting and I noticed that the soleus was super tight for about three days. And that means that finally a little bit, the soleus relates to our traps. So when you have tight traps, you always go down the soleus and you'll find it'll be tight. And by releasing the soleus, then the traps start to release. So just both ends of the spectrum, right? How do you establish how muscles are connected like that? Like you just said something that, you know, most people have never heard before. Put that together. How do you establish that? Is that because you're unpacking it and saying, okay, if their traps are bothering them, they're probably got an elevated shoulder this way. So then they have an asymmetrical shift over to your left. And so then more than likely this is going to be tight. Is that the theory behind that? Well, let's actually, let's talk about the theory of the human body. It's 3,000 years old, 35,000 years old. What we know about the human body was taught to us by the Greeks. And what they did 3,000 years ago is they told us about how all the muscles work, they named them, how the organs. And we've never challenged the theory. The way science works is we have a theory and then we stack facts upon the theory. Then the theory changes and the facts change. So let's just stop calling them facts. Let's call them assumptions until they are facts. So the theory, working theory of the human body has never been challenged in 3,500 years. And there's a difference between science and medicine about 20 years. And, you know, for us, we're fully integrated. And what fully integrated means is that we have two MDs. We have two chiropractors. We have our own physical therapy, which is neurologically based. We have our own style of facial flow, which is like a massage. We have nutritionists. We have everything in-house, but it's not like integrated that you see normally. We all work under the same philosophy. It's the same belief structure, which has been the hardest thing to do, by the way. So when I say these things like these patterns, one of the things that was never thought about when we analyzed the human body was gravity and atmospheric pressure. At sea level, and this is scientific fact, you can Google it if you want, there's 2,000 pounds of pressure on the human body, 14.7 pounds per square inch. So that 2,000 pounds of pressure is sitting on the human body and it's causing a movement of pressure around. We have a 2,000 pounds inside that's trying to adapt to the outside pressure. And for me, I haven't really been anywhere in the last couple of years I've been working. So I was traveling on planes the last couple of weeks here. And I started to notice something I'd never noticed before, how pressure was dysregulated. Now, interesting thing about squatting, squatting is the only thing that relieves pressure from the core of the body up through the diaphragm. And dysregulated pressure is what's causing all the issues into the GI tract. Like we have 10 organs, seven of them are, three of them are muscles, the heart, the stomach and the bladder. So how do the other seven work? By the way, the dumbfounded looks, I get this even from all, we have about 20% of our clients who are medical doctors, physical therapists, chiropractors. And when I ask them this question, it's completely blank stare almost every time. So one of the comments will come up, it'll be circulatory pressure, or circulatory system. Man, that's okay, so what is that? That's blood pressure. So pressure going into an organ affects the organ. What about pressure ambient around the organ? So when we digest food, all the blood rushes into the greater omentum, which sits right on top of the small intestine. So that's blood pressure rushing in. And that blood pressure, then the food exchanges with the blood and it goes and it's supposed to move its way back out, but pressure gets dysregulated there because we don't squat. So one of the biggest things and why you've been noticing such a huge game changer is squatting, we were designed, it helps the body regulate its internal pressure balance. And if you get too much pressure on these organs like the liver, the kidneys, the GI tract, especially the GI tract, the intestines, it's just like sausage casing and stuff moving through there. And if you put pressure on it, it reduces its inability. And then what we're starting to see right now is about 50% of our clients are coming in on the precipice of an autoimmune condition or they have an autoimmune disease, which really is a lot of times misdiagnosed. And it's a backup of bacteria on the small intestine, SIBO and all those other disease processes, which are really just caused by dysregulated pressure because we don't do what we're supposed to do. We see something very similar to what you're talking about when we have astronauts who come from, being out in the space station for months at a time in fact, there was a, I don't know his name, an astronaut who just came back and he was the longest person ever to live in zero gravity and the health issues that he experienced when he came back, astounding. Like fevers, the chills, depression, anxiety, his obviously bone mass, muscle mass decrease, hormones changed. One year rehab and clinically depressed to this point, that same guy. And that's why I keep saying, if we're gonna get to Mars, it's not gonna be, it's not technology's limitation. It's how do we get people to walk once they're there? Like we're connected to this planet, whether we like it or not. It's gonna be our clone selves that live there anyway. Let's just send robots. Let's be honest. It doesn't fucking matter. It's gonna be our conscious and some other meat wagon that can handle all that shit anyways, right? We're gonna engineer that. Maybe, but yeah, I mean, it makes sense. The human body evolved under these, circumstances and conditions. And like I said earlier, squatting is a fundamental movement for humans. I mean, it's babies squat before they can walk. In fact, if you go to third world countries, this is how people relax and chill. They go to the bathroom. This is how women probably gave birth. Obviously how we pooped. Actually, it's how women are told to give birth today in water. It's the same thing. And if you go to Asia, I spent my career traveling to Asia and Europe. And in Asia, I used to just kind of humorously laugh at everybody squatting. I remember being in Tianjin. It's an industrial city. And there's a train station. There must be 10,000 people there. They have benches everywhere and 5,000 people were squatting. And I took a picture of it. Wow, really? How many people were actually down in that position? Yeah, and the guys, you know, playing dice and smoking cigarettes. They relax. Yeah. They relax in that position. So you said earlier that the theory of human body or whatnot, 3,000 years old, and it's wrong, what was it 3,000 years ago? Or what is it now that's wrong? Well, let's just start at some basics. Okay, there's a difference between science and medicine. We've already talked about that a little bit. And it basically, there's some simple things. Like if the brain is in charge, then why does the heart beat in a fetus before the brain is developed? If the brain's in charge, the brain's job is to evaluate the internal and external environment and adapt us to that environment. So it's constantly evaluating and adapting. That doesn't sound like a commander. If you see what I'm saying. The body is a computer. The brain is a CPU. It runs programs. And the body's constantly giving input back to the brain. I think when Adam, when we were working on you, didn't I do something on your nostril with scent? Yeah, yeah. And it changed your gait. Right. This after you had your fingers in his mouth? Yes. And his butt. No, that didn't happen. No, he didn't do that part. That didn't happen. That did not happen. He was helping with that part. He charges extra for that. Yeah, we do, we do. So yeah. Lots of candles. That's our platinum package, Adam, actually. This one's on me, but this one you're gonna have to pay for. So the idea was that I was changing the way his brain perceived the environment. I put smell, a very strong essential oil up one nostril. And you guys remember his gait changed through the process. So the bodies, the brain is always evaluating and adapting. And the other thing that's not accounted for is gravity. And it's hilarious because we think about us being in a gravitational environment. So if we're in gravity, what physics says is that the highest point of force is the bottom of my feet. Because I'm standing there. But since we're actively standing against gravity using our muscles, the highest point of tension is the top of the head. So if you wanna find a problem in the body and one of our philosophies and theories, because as somebody who's done body work, you would know that there are things that just don't make sense. Like you're told, you feel muscles rotate. And how can a mechanical muscle rotate? It just, if it's connected here and connected there and that's all happens, how does it rotate in the fascial sheath? And the other thing too is like when you release a muscle like in a leg, why does it deflate? Like one leg looks smaller than the other when you do that. It's visible, anybody can see it with a naked eye. And there's a lot of things that are said about their body that's just the way the body is. And so at the human garage, anytime somebody says that's the way the body is, that's a full stop for us. That means that somebody didn't have any answer, somebody didn't wanna understand the answer and we're gonna go figure it out. The thing that I find that's frustrating and just the Western idea of the human body and is the separation between your mind and your body and your emotional state. All the systems, they separate all the systems. Yeah, as if they're completely independent to the point where mental illness is treated as a disease of the mind, but maybe not as a disease of the body. Whereas it's all connected. It's all the same thing. Intrinsic, extrinsic nervous system, your brain and your gut. If you're sick, it's the same thing. It's like literally the same chord. So if you're sick at one end, you're sick at the other. Well, we were just talking about this a couple episodes ago in fact where we had this health epidemic, this poor health epidemic that's been happening now for a few decades. Obesity is one of the side effects, diabetes, autoimmune disease. But you're also seeing and nobody's talking about mental illness, skyrocket, right alongside with it. And it's totally expected. It's totally expected to see an increase in anxiety, which I believe now, if I'm not mistaken, anxiety now is the highest diagnosed emotional mental disorder. It is, but anxiety very specifically is a threat to the vital organs. And it's when no epinephrine and no adrenaline appear at the same time. And it can always be tracked to a compression in the rib cage, especially a rib that's out. People come in all the time with anxiety and within minutes we can relieve it. But it's what caused it. It's tightness, it's compression in the body. It's torquing and winding. It's the body trying to adapt. But anxiety itself is very specific and we try to treat things like anxiety by going to the brain. And the job of the brain is not, if science is even coming to the point where they're saying the brain doesn't store anything, the brain just runs programs. It's a CPU. So if the brain, if I have stress or I have fear, it's my body feeling that my brain's giving me the experience. And the way, I don't know, have you guys ever heard of our, in natural medicine it's very well documented that organs have a relationship to emotions. Like liver, his anger, adrenals. So where all this started to come really relevant. It's funny you say that by the way, because we feel love where? In our heart, in our chest, yeah. And you feel fear in your gut. Because it's a future. So the way I look at the body is there's three portals, not six chakras. I'm not saying that there's not variations, but basically everything in the future you feel here. In the gut. Everything in the past you feel here. In the body. Doesn't you feel right in the heart? Yeah, so if we just start to think of it, recontextualize the whole experience of how we look at the human brain. Which is really hard for a lot of people listening to like attach themselves to because they feel woo-oo about it. So let me take what you just said and I'm gonna try and translate it to see if it'll make sense to people. So you said how, you know, anxiety is coming from the body then the brain is what determines it's anxiety or experiences it. So here's a great example, I think anybody can understand. Anxiety and excitement are the same physically. The same physical response. You have the same release of, you know, chemicals, you have the same hormone changes. You have the same experience on a body level. It's your brain that tells you it's anxiety or I'm excited. It's the same, but it's how you basically perceive it. Yes, yeah, perception is everything. And that's why when people come and they, and they, you know, like when I did the work on you at the garage, Adam, and you walk, I ask you what your experiences are and you would be surprised at different countries because we have people come from Japan, from the UK, from South America. They use, even in their own language or in English, they use the same exact descriptors to describe what they're feeling or experiencing. And we've done this, you know, tens of thousands of times and it's always the same thing over. It's because the brain is trying to interpret the environment. Where this all really came, we've been pushing pressure out of the gut without knowing what we were doing for about three years. But where it all came into real relative is I'd read this report on PMS as an international study and was talking about, and I don't know where actually I got it. It was in a medical journal, it was something that came up on my phone and I hit it and I talked about their experiences and that's 75% of the women experience anger first and then they experience fear, or sorry, sadness and then fear. Now, if you look at the way the anatomy stacked up when a female gets her period, their uterus grows to three times the size. And what it does is it's blood rushing in, causing a pressure buildup. And the first thing that hits is the liver. The second thing it hits is the kidneys. Third thing it hits is the adrenal. My wife was saying one day, she's just right before her cycle, she says, I'm sad. And I just instinctively reached over and pushed the pressure out of her belly and she gets up and says, I'm not sad anymore. That's weird. And that was where everything came together for me. It was like, okay, now there's more to this than I thought originally. So we started working with moving pressure around the body. And if you're at a squat right now, I guess it's not practical for us to do this. We'll do it later, but if you're at a squat, initially you'll feel all the pressure around, right around the lower ribcage. And over three to five minutes that pressure will start to dissipate. So what happened? What it is is that there's two holes on the top of the diaphragm, one for the esophagus and one for the arteries. And those holes are covered with a piece of connective tissue, kind of like saran wrap. And through there, through the hole, it pokes the esophagus and that acts as a pressure relief valve because you think about the diaphragm, it's about this big and it's a suction cup. Can you imagine a suction cup this big? You can hold up a car. And so there's a lot of pressure that's being dysregulated in the body and we started moving pressure around the body, even depressurizing organs manually. So like a manual release, like you're doing a muscle, we're doing with every one of the organs now. And what's incredible is it shows up immediately in blood work and subclinical work right away. Like you can see a difference before and after. And it's not a little difference, it's a big difference. Now there is a feedback loop though, right? Because if your body's causing something that you're perceiving as anger or whatever, you can the reverse also happen. I was just gonna ask, is your theory then that it's always physical? It's always physical? Well, my theory is we feel the world around us. And so as a kid growing up, I didn't like to be in audiences. I didn't like to be in large groups of people. I mean, I liked it. I liked the excitement of people, but I would go through these raging emotions. I go through fear, anger, sadness, and I just thought that was normal. And I just didn't like to be around people because of the changing emotions. What I was feeling that I didn't know it was I was feeling everybody else. It's like when somebody walks in a room and they're real angry. Well, what if you could feel every emotion that somebody has that's within a reasonable proximity of you. It just, it was like for me, it was like going crazy. And so what we can create an experience in our brain. So like I say, we have a memory, okay? We draw from something. And I remember something somebody I'm angry at, that memory can then spark up an emotion in my body. And that's what you're talking about right now, right? Well, it's still, it's, we're still saying both ways. It's not both ways it's all together. So it really doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter. You notice there is an outside stressor perceived real or not. Like for example, you're sitting in a car and the car beside you moves in your part and it feels like you're moving. Every single bone, every muscle, all your organs, everything, all your adrenaline, everything fires as if you're moving. And so it doesn't really matter. It's your perception. And that was back to your, your statement earlier. It's really the perception that you have that makes a difference between excitement and anxiety, right? And so it's how we perceive the world around us. What started to happen to us is we were started to take that ability to feel and put it into the therapy, therapeutic process. In other words, feeling what people are feeling. And so that's how we're able to go through and do the work. And I know it sounds, where you get in that area where it sounds woo woo, you guys have heard applied kinesiology or muscle testing. I, you know what, it's bugged me for years. Why do we call it muscle testing? I mean, we're not testing a muscle. We're asking the body if it wants something. And we use it at scale. So our entire staff does it. And it's like a language. And when you use it over and over again, it's very accurate. So that's how we know where to work on. That's how I knew what to do for you, Adam. Cause I wasn't, I didn't, you didn't see me doing lots of testing or range of motion testing. I went right out to where you had a problem. And I just, and your body told me what to do. And I just worked on it. So you had a lot of, you know, like revelations as far as like paradigm shifts with internal pressure. And can you also describe like, you're describing fashion, what you've learned with fashion and kind of get our audience up to date with that. Well, as you guys saw us while we're, while we're working as like having one person, I rub your tummy, yeah, in a certain direction. So they, so what we, Which I have, Sal do that to me all the time now. Yeah. Great, Sal. He's a professional. Only on Wednesdays. So, so what we, we, you know, like a lot of things, necessities and mother of all invention and experimentation is what, what gives us the incentive to move forward. So when, when we noticed that we would touch the body in certain areas, muscles would release really fast. Then, then we started noticing something else as we were delivering the therapy, that we would feel it on our bodies where they needed to, where their fashion needed to be either touched or moved or stretched. And then it's, and then we would tell an assistant, what you didn't see is our normal production. You guys were at the end of the day. So normally there's two to three people at every station. And so I'd have an assistant working with me. And then if he doesn't feel it, I tell him, I'd say it's in the back of the head over here. He touch it and then you're a quad release. So we've learned. What do you mean you feel it? Literally feel it. It feels like it's a sensation. Like you telepathically feel what the other person's feeling. I don't think telepathically is the right word. I just, I just think it's like a, when someone walks into a room and they're angry, you feel it, you turn around. It's that same sensory perception. It's just more finely tuned. What's interesting about that too, is we do know that the amount of information that you perceive is this tiny fraction of all the information that you're actually taking in. Correct. Oh, it's like 90 to 10%. It's like crazy. Like more, like 90%. Probably bigger. No, no, I just literally, I'm reading that in, God, what am I reading right now? What's the name of that book? Fuck, what's it called? Yeah, I don't know. I just started, no, I just, they were just reading, I was just reading a study on this and they say, I think it was 90 or 95% of the information that our brain is downloading, like is unconscious. Well, first of all, I don't, I just want to take a step back and say, I understand what they're saying. I don't think it's the brain. The body feels everything and records everything. I mean, Harvard released that preliminary report last year was, which is saying that trauma was stored in the fashion network. And what, we know that trauma is subconscious. It's not conscious. We're not thinking about it all day long. So what they're saying, without saying it, is your body is your subconscious and your brain is your consciousness, which starts to make sense if we were to delineate it that way. And so you have information, your body records every temperature change, every noise, every sound, every light, variation, atmospheric pressure. We know that I can show you a newspaper and then under hypnosis, you can read it backward forward. So that means it's storing everything. Every sight are the way we feel, what we touch, the wind that blows us, is stored from the day that we're conceived to the day that we die. Think about how many trillions of terabytes of information is in our body. We don't have a computer on the planet Earth that can store that information. And here we're doing it when these bodies that we walk around with every day. That's what's pretty cool about it. Now, fascia, interesting thing about it is it's 100 trillion cells. So it has, where the brain, intrinsic and extrinsic in our system, the gut are 100 billion cells. So the fascia is a thousand times more organically dense than the brain is. And the way that I see the body is that organic density, the things that have more density are more important to the eco structure of the body. And you just look at that from organ to organ from piece to piece, you'll notice that things that are really important to the body, there's just a lot of activity around it. And so that means the fascia really in our model is what's telling the brain what to do. And we know that emotions are connected to organs. Like for example, when you get hung over, your liver is working too hard. And the next day you get up, it's like, oh man, everything's agitating. I'm angry, frustrated, simple tasks seem hard. That's all because my liver is agitated, it's pissed off. And so the way I see it is that the muscles and the fascia is the, and through that network is all the memories. The organs provide the emotional experience. So I have a memory of something I'm angry at here stuck in a quad. That's why body workers known this for thousands of years, that people will cry during body work and have memories and stored emotions. We know that that's a fact. So what the way I see it happening is that the memory is in the quad and then at the speed of light, it connects with the liver, which is the reference to the emotion. And then the brain comes up to the brain and the brain gives you the experience. And when you start looking at the body that way, then all of a sudden these mechanical issues and these performance issues start to, start to change the way we perceive them and the way that we handle them. So I have a question about the, because I've read a lot of theories on how people say certain emotions or memories are stored in the body. And I've heard counters. For example, you're saying, if you push on a particular part of the body, the person will have an emotion, which I've experienced as well. I've trained people and I've seen that as well. Could it also be just that you're almost priming the person because you're touching an area that relates to a particular emotion or a feeling? It reminds them no different than when I walk into an old classroom and I have that smell. It reminds me when I was in third grade. You know, could that also possibly happen? Well, so it is, is I mean, we well documented science neurolinguistic programming. I mean, Anthony Robbins is NLP. And so at the position of your eyes during certain statements. So when people, the position of your eyes during fearful events, when we're doing the neurological rehabilitation with people, every once in a while you'll get them in a spot where they'll turn their head, they'll move their eyes and then all of a sudden it'll be like they saw a ghost. Fear comes out or anger or something like that. And you had a couple of little experiences on the table in that short time that we were there, I think. When you were sticking your finger in my mouth? Yeah. Fucking hurt, man. Or, or, or. What you did was I remember when you were applying pressure and then all of a sudden you didn't relieve. In fact, you were continuing to increase the pressure but I no longer felt the pain there anymore. Which that was probably one of the more fast because I remember thinking like, oh, he must be letting up on me. And you're like, no, I'm, and then I could see the way your elbow was moving into me that you were giving me more pressure but I wasn't feeling that anymore. And that's because your brain is adapting to the environment. So the difference between what we do in our therapy, not to deviate too far from your question earlier, is, is we provide a lot, a series of logical problems that your body has to adapt to. That's the therapy. So your body compensates around issues that precedes its problems. And so what we do is we create problems that your body at the compensation is actually what we want is the corrective measures. And that's why it works really fast. I mean, did you post those pictures from? I didn't post them but I have them. I do have them. I should put them up on one of our page. It's a little, it's a little hard to believe that that can happen in that short of time. Yeah. And as a matter of fact, when people see the two by two pictures if they go to our social media, it's always the consultation. I don't say that because realistically, no one's gonna believe that. There's no nobody in physical medicine that's gonna believe that in 45 minutes, you can create that kind of result. But it was just engaging the body in a different way. Instead of me telling your body what I want it to do, I'm giving it the chance to resolve an issue that it precedes as a problem. And then the logic for us was what issue creates what results. And that's our math or our formula, our special sauce. Yeah, remind me when we had the fingers in my mouth, what on my body are we addressing? Lateral and medial pteragoids. And then we're dealing with one of the, yeah. Sorry, there's so many muscles up here. Well, you can be general about it. We don't have to be specific about exactly what neck muscle, a muscle in my neck. Yeah, two for the jaw and one for the hyoid bone. Because so your brain takes inputs from, for example. So this is because we, when we took the pictures of the audience nose, I had a crooked face that I didn't know about. So we were fixing my crooked face. And it fixed it? Yeah, no, I was definitely. I can fix your crooked face too. I was like a nine before and I was like a nine and a half afterwards. You fixed me a little more. Not quite a perfect 10 yet. Justin has a perfect 10 face. You know. It's blessed. It's very good. Hashtag blessed. So do you study things like the fascinating cases like phantom limb syndrome and some of those situations? Well. They seem very, in the case of phantom limb, you have someone who loses an arm and they feel it's still there. And in fact, they feel the arm in this clenched kind of painful position, even though there is no arm. Yeah. Well, we even work with like, it started back in 2012, taking people that had spinal cord compression. So in other words, they're quadriplegic, but they didn't have a sever. And we would get them to, we would get them to in their mind drive the motion and we would create the movement and resistance. And it was just an experiment. And a gentleman that hadn't used his hands in 26 years, you know, after doing that for a week and a half, started using his hands for the first time. And what that is is that it's the signal. It's really how does that signal getting to the muscle? And I questioned some of the things that were taught. Like if you look at the proprioceptive model of walking, how long it takes a nerve signal to get from the brain to the foot, back up to the brain to say it's okay to let the other foot go. And that back and forth, contralateral motion is really tough for the brain to do. So if you clinch your jaw right now, you'll feel it in your right foot, clinch your right jaw and you'll feel it instantaneously in your right foot. So in the nervous system, information travels around the speed of sound and just above it. And in the fascial system, it travels beyond our ability to measure the speed of light. And proprioceptively, if you run a math model, we're not, we can't walk by math. So there's something else going on that we just said that's the way it is. And the fascia is always signaling to the brain. It's always taking information, all kinds of experiences, whether it's the walking, the ground, the surface, the air. Like I don't know if I did this to you, but here, give me a favorite. Now I didn't tell you to push back. But it's natural instinct. Even if a wind starts blowing heavily, you lean into it. And it's because your fascia is communicating to the brain in milliseconds and adapting all of your muscles and body towards it. And that's an experience that we've just taken completely out of the whole therapy model and out of the whole sports and performance model. And, you know, as we've been starting to work with a lot more professional athletes, some of them like, well, some of the Olympic runs we can, some of the pro-athlete teams I can't mention yet, until next year, just because of some negotiations we're going through. But like Lysinda Demis, she's a two-time Olympic medalist, a world record holder, 400 meter hurdle. It's, we were, as we start to move her back into motion, she wasn't able to run. That was two months ago. And now- She had an injury? A multitude of injuries. Yeah, multitude of injuries. It's just like a lot of, she's 34 years old. I think she's 34, right? Lysinda, if you're out there. Sorry. Hope I got the right. She looks like 23. Yeah. You know, 34 years old, twin 10-year-olds. Wow. And a world-class runner, right? And so she was not able to run or even jog a couple of months ago. She's not only running, but when you bring the body back into performance and alignment, the brain does less math to complete the task that it has to complete. And when the brain's doing less math, we'll get more throughput of the signal to the muscles and the muscles perform better. So in like, in her case, she's not only gonna run, I think it looks like she's gonna PR. It's funny too, because when for, if you've ever done any sports or if you've ever done even, you know, anything physical where you've done it enough times, you know that you do it better when you don't think. Correct. You just move and, you know, call it the zone or whatever. You know, if I start to think too much about what I'm doing, then I actually decrease my performance. That's kind of a cool topic and you're probably a really fun person to talk about. How familiar are you with the flow state and what's your theory on that? We live in the flow state. Like legitimately, the majority of the day that I'm working, I'm in the flow state because we're feeling, we have to be present in order to help people at the level we do. So once you're a motion mechanic on our tables, we call ourselves motion mechanics because we analyze and repair motion. Basically, if you're walking correctly, you can't hide malfunctions in motion. So if you're walking correctly, you have no pain and everything that's not working when you walk, that's what we're trying to fix. And so the whole idea of... How often do you have someone take their shoes off, walk across that floor like you had me do and you guys all marvel at like, what a beautiful gate? Does that ever happen? Does that ever happen? Or is it like, oh man, she's fucked up, dude. We got a long day today. It starts off with, yeah, they're fucked up. No one ever impresses you? Is it rare that you... How often does someone... No unicorns in the mix? Yeah, as I say, there's never a person who walks in. I haven't met anybody yet. You guys ever seen a pretty squat the first time? Good point, excellent point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You said have you guys ever seen a pretty squat the first time? No, most people the first time they squat is horrific. So we're born with called synaptic optimized programs. There are things that are hardwired into us. Like walking is the hardest thing for the human being to do. But we don't think about it because it's hardwired and we're supposed to learn to crawl, walk and run. I had a wooden floor, I had little jumpers and I never crawled. And I think part of my issue later on in my life was fixing stuff up was the fact that I never repaired the call. No, I have... Is that a true story? You just use that as an example? No, it's a true story. Oh, okay, wow. Yeah, it's like we had wooden floors and I had these little scooters and I just would scoot around the floors and one day I got up and ran. Isn't that fascinating how our parents can make a decision like that that they wouldn't even think twice of... Is doing the crucial part. Or taking a kid with his arms and swinging them around in a circle, pulling the arms on a socket and switching to dependence. Or as soon as he comes out, already throwing on his new pair of Jordans. He's already got a pair of sneakers on his feet as soon as he's born, right? We do all kinds of crazy things and it's funny because I am now for last... Whatever, it's fun. Yeah. For last three years, I didn't train at all. Basically two things I was working and in order to get this to where it was, we had limited ability to deliver therapy. Today we have almost 40 employees but a year ago we had like nine or 10 and a year before that there's three of us. So basically we were the workhorses and we were providing all of the therapy. So I wasn't able to actually do a lot of the things I would to maintain myself and then I had not been working out for about a year at this point and I'm starting to feel myself become more and more aligned meaning I need less and less of my own therapy. And I said, I'm just gonna wait this out. And so I just started my own rehab with Ryan over here. He's one of our progression specialists and he's a master progression specialist means he's trained in multiple disciplines. That's why these guys are here by the way is because they can do almost everything that we do in-house. So the idea is I just started my own rehab and the crazy thing was to go back into motion and start moving again for the first time and it's very corrective. So what we're doing is we're building neurological and proprioceptive exercises and activities for me to reverse the winding patterns that my body had. So did you literally go back to like crawling patterns and kind of start with that? Yeah, I've been on the floor and it feels, you know, from a guy who spent his life as a, you know, working out in gyms. A bodybuilder. A bodybuilder. Yeah, it's like for me to go back and I was saying to Ryan the other day. Talk about how humbling that is, how hard that is. Like it's a lot of people struggle with this because we're so caught up in aesthetics and the way I look. And hitting PRs. Right. That's actually very, very humbling. I'll get to that. But if you train for aesthetics or strength, your alignment will suffer. But if you train for alignment, which we do, then aesthetics and strengths will be there. And that's really important. And what happened is me humbling going back, I'm doing activities which I can barely do like lifting one leg off the ground when I'm on one other leg. I mean, crazy things that would just be a normal part of developing or growing up, which I'd never had. And it's humbling. If I was to go back and do it without help, there's no way. I would go back to my own way of doing it. I was sitting there thinking, would I go through this activity? And I try to go in on days that I'm not scheduled to be for our biomechanics. I'll go in on a day and try and work out myself. And I just won't put myself through it yet. It's humbling, it's hard. Talk about your history, like how did you, because you used to be a bodybuilder. Yeah. I mean, you did tell us quite a bit about your history, but I think it'd be important for the audience to hear a little bit about that. So bodybuilder, I was a junior and competed junior senior at the same time, which was really rare, because I was at 19, 20 years old that had the physique of the guys who were like 35. And I went to the Canadian Nationals. Were you training naturally or were you anabolically enhanced at this point? Up to the Nationals, I was natural. And at the Nationals, you're anabolically enhanced. And you could see the difference. I mean, my quads went to 30 years. You gotta have to, right? I mean, that was my experience as I was competing. Once you get up to the national and professional level. That's an interesting question too. Does the use of anabolic hormones change? Horribly messed me up. Yeah, horribly messed me up. So let's just talk about what you can do naturally. And I'm almost 50. And my hair used to be completely white. It's growing back into its natural color. My testosterone count, we had the conversation on the way over here. My testosterone count was in the 200s. Five years ago, today it's in the 900s. According to medicine, what happened for me is medically impossible. Like it's a miracle. And so whenever we add something exogenously to our body, what it does is the body has reaction because the brain is adapting. It doesn't matter, even if it's good. When we were taught in America, if it's good, more of it's gooder. That's simply not true. I mean, you know the funniest thing, we see people, everybody who has a, our thing is everybody comes into the garage with a white jug of water or at the gym with a white jug of water is usually dehydrated because they're drinking so much water they're taking all their sodium out. And what's the term for that? Overhydration. No, when the dehydrates by drinking, somebody said it the other day. Drinking too much. So what happens is one molecule, I might not be precise on the science, but basically one molecule of water holds three molecules of sodium. And if you don't have enough sodium in your system as the water comes through, it collects the sodium and you pee it out. And then you have no water to hold the water in your system. Oh, runners have known this for a little while now where they'll drink too much water and they'll cramp up. And now they're starting to sprinkle, you know, sea salt in there, in their water. Exactly. So the point is it's about balance. And we've got lots of bio-hackers out there that are exogenously bio-hacking. They're using all kinds of things external to us to create effect in the environment. And what we like to think of ourselves as is endogenous bio-hackers. So we use our hands and we create all these effects without the use of all these tools and lasers. And you didn't see any lasers. And you saw lots of technology around when you came into the garage, but you didn't see laser treatment. You didn't see a bunch of equipment, bunch of machines. And we're producing these results by encouraging the body to do what it's designed to do. So aside from the negative feedback loop where your hormones start to decrease your own endogenous production, what other things will happen when somebody, because we have a large fitness audience and there's a percentage of them that take anabolic steroids. What are some other things that are happening to the body besides, you know, your body stops producing its own testosterone? So we all know that there's a liver issue that happens. And once we start having a liver issue and it's been there for about a year and a half, then the body starts having problems digesting and processing protein. And so the protein, so by taking, without supporting, like, there's choices everybody has to make. If you're gonna go outside and it's raining, you should wear a raincoat or suffer the consequences, right? So if you're going to take anabolic steroids, then you need to have something to compensate on the other side. And so the idea is the body's always trying to find a balance. And if we don't do something to help that body find a balance by adding something, even things like, we get a lot of people, crossfitters come in and, you know, they're taking, you know, five milligrams of creatine a day and they've been doing it for five grams a day and they've been doing it for, you know, two years and their liver is shot and their adrenals are shot and they don't understand why. And it's because the body is not designed to take all of that. And if you are taking it, you need to find some way to counteract the imbalances. So if you're taking hormones, you're gonna have issues with your liver, your kidneys, your adrenals. It'll also affect inflammation markers. So hormones will show up and start causing pressure on the heart. I mean, you guys know the deal. I mean- Sure, and then what, you know, testosterone's effect on muscle and, of course, muscle and, you know, even fascia and at the doses that even low to moderate doses that athletes will use is set, you know, a hundred times higher than what the body will naturally produce anyway. Correct. So the body has to have a compensation for it. It doesn't matter if it's good or bad. The body doesn't like, like for this whole thing lately has been pH versus, you know, like alkaline versus acidic, right? Somebody wrote a report 20 years ago saying that all the bad diseases happened in an acidic body. And then all of a sudden we're testing all these people. We're testing thousands of people that don't think they're sick yet because we test everybody who comes to the garage. So we have a much different sample size than most doctors would have, right? And what we've noticed is that almost everybody in our market anyways, because it's a Venice Beach, is over alkaline. And that produces other problems. Like, for example, undigested food because of the, needs the acidic, you need 4.0 or more acidic in the stomach to digest food properly. And so undigested food goes into the small intestines that's where the autoimmune disease start coming in. It's funny that we think about this with the human or people for years have thought that way with the human body when we know a plant, when a plant is at the perfect pH balance or homeostasis it doesn't get attacked. It could go alkaline or acidic. If it gets out of that perfect balance, it's vulnerable. Everything happens. So there's, I'm glad you brought it up. It's interesting because we're about to tell everybody why I'm used to grow weed. I'm not even joking. That's why I know that. It applies to everything. That's true. So here's a funny thing is we've been working with cure ecology labs as our subclinical lab. And we do all the labs that you get at any other functional medicine doctors. Matter of fact, one of our new doctors, Dr. Legos, he's a integrative medicine doctor. Also works at ER in LA and integrative medicine in Santa Monica. He's our new in-house DO. And what's interesting is how they are looking at the interactions between the different ways of looking at the body testing. All clinical procedures tests are sick tests. So you go get a blood test at a doctor. It's telling you you're sick or not. Cause blood has a very narrow margin in which you can move out of. And if you move out of that, you're either sick or dead. So we do the subclinical test and for years the lab was afraid to defend the science behind the test. A guy named Dr. Casey, a friend of Albert Einstein's created this test and he was an MD and a chemist, biochemist. And he was trying to optimize soil performance so that soil could provide life. And he would use this test to find out what was missing so he could give the soil so that the plants would grow. And then the animals eat the plants, we eat the animals and plants. And elements transfer up the food chain, right? That's how we get the elements. That's how we get all the things that we need in our body. Well, what happens if the soil is missing certain base elements like some of the cell salts? You know, like potassium chloride, sodium, carbonate, stuff like that, all the different cell salts. If it's missing, those things are important balancers for our electromagnetic, for the way our body works. So the test that we use, our primary health test is actually used to be a soil test. And what we're looking at is interstitial fluid because our body's about 79% interstitial fluid and about 21% blood cells, so blood. So before it ever gets to the blood, it's in the interstitial fluid, which is our soil, our human soil. So we have a really unique test and we do is we look at your human soil and we say, what are you missing? And we go backwards, downwards, because he figured- How do I test the human soil? Well, we do it through urnous saliva. We test the interstitial fluid. And then we can look at things like are you digesting properly? Are you able to absorb carbohydrates and proteins? And this is where you start to see a different picture because you go in and the doctor says everything's fine. What are you, what's common? What are you seeing a lot? When you're looking under the hood and you guys are looking at people's soil, what are the most common things that you guys are seeing? Some of the first things that come up is first of all, everybody in LA has a, well, you guys up here too, probably. Everybody in LA has an adrenal issue. And if we, because we have people coming from all over the world, if they're coming from Canada and they're coming from London, their adrenals aren't looking that bad. And I'll go into some reasons why I think that is. Most people have a liver issue of some sort, either overworking or underworking, things like antibiotic use, just general life. We always associate liver with drinking alcohol. I mean, antibiotics are 100 times worse for your liver than alcohol. We're seeing, most people are too alkaline, causing other series of problems in the body. And those are the common ones. And, oh, and inflammation, our circulatory flow. A lot of people have low cellular inflammation, which is circulatory flow to smooth tissues, heart, GI tract, sex organs, stuff like that. So those are the common ones we're seeing. And there are, we've noticed that it's actually coming from different parts of the country in different cities, you get different behaviors. Like New York and LA, adrenals are all fatigued. Now, how are you extracting this from the soil, right? I'm trying to envision what I used to have to do with the parts per million and the soil for my plant. I'm like, okay, this... Same kind of idea, but if you could look at the soil and say, what does the soil need? You can go upstream and just look at what it needs going back downstream. And so, and this guy was funny because they said to Albert Einstein, you're really good at breaking all these things apart into these little pieces, but you can't put it all back together again. He said, well, if you wanna put it back together again, you gotta go to Dr. Casey. He's the guy that puts things back together. This is Albert Einstein saying about this guy, and this test has been buried for decades and used by a few practitioners, but we found it the best way to get a second view data point on a client, especially if we have an issue. Like a lot of people just need a little bit of health correction, but if we have a serious issue starting to develop, it's nice to know, and another way to look at it, maybe it would be this, is that a normal medical test would tell you how fast your car is driving. It's going 60 miles an hour. And then we put you on the road with everybody else. Everybody's going 60, so you're within range. That does not mean healthy. And you know that, it just means within range. It's like the average American breathes 15 breaths per minute, but clinically, we hyperventilate after 12. So, just because we do something doesn't mean it's right, or because it's in within range. Well, if a standard blood test would test the speed of your car, ours would test the speed of your engine. How many RPM are you doing? So it's taking a look at the environment, seeing how hard is the environment working, because eventually that environment leads to the end result, which is the blood, and what happens in the blood. So, eventually that's the way that we've started looking at it. It was really interesting, because when we started, we just thought it was, we just told us a subclinical test, and we didn't understand the science behind it, but we just saw that it worked. And you know, you go into a chiropractor, or to a naturopath, and they do a bunch of tests, and you walk up with a big bucket of supplements. That's kind of the deal, right? Our whole, our belief is, is that supplements should only be taken as medication, and should be taken for a specific achieved result, only till that result is achieved, and should be somewhere between three, six, or nine months, and then from there, a functional food takes over. Do you guys start with nutrition advice as well, or is that something that you do later on? We do, yeah. For every single person who comes to the door, we do lab work. We do full body assessments. We do alignment process. We can fix injuries like a shoulder, or back, or our leg, or knee. We can make things feel good really fast, but we've made a decision corporately, that if somebody's not gonna engage in repairing their whole body, then we might as well not start, because we're just causing another problem somewhere else in their body. So we do the entire alignment process with everybody. I wanna know how, how has this journey been for you to build this business? Now, obviously you guys are having lots of success, tons of people are seeing incredible results, but I have to believe that when you first started, there had to have been some growing pains that you went through. How many, did you ever piss anybody off, or make somebody feel like this is really weird, or woo woo, or I don't believe, this is parlor tricks, I'm out of here, like was there a period that you went through that, or what was that like? Yeah, in the early days, you know the first year and a half, I mean, you gotta think about how this started. I had two sports medicine clinics, and one in Beverly Hills and one in Orange County, and I was using this therapy that was, that was part of, is a neuromuscular therapy that was done in the clinic, and I was using that to maintain myself, but I wasn't getting any better. And so I took one of the therapists and we just started working on my problem, just independently, five days a week, from about 2 p.m., one or two in the afternoon, all the way to about seven or eight at night, we just do it in my garage in Venice. And people used to walk by and they would, they would, they would see massage tables and they think we're giving each other massages. And that's what you guys do on Wednesdays? Yes, that's Wednesdays. That's what we call it, yeah. Humpty. Yeah. So you're doing your, you guys are giving each other massages in your garage. And it's people walking by and you get the same people walk by all the time and one guy had back surgery and he'd been out for, and he was still in pain, the surgery hadn't done anything for him, which is very common by the way. And he, you know, kept asking questions and we finally, when we had what we thought was a protocol, we said, he kept bugging us and we said, okay, we'll take you as a client. So we treated him in the garage. Is that, is that where the name came from? Yeah. And so then what happened was is that it was getting really, so all of a sudden he told a few people who told a few people and then hundreds of people, no business cards, no phone numbers, or just my cell phone, no management, practice management system, just people started showing up, phoning all day long, knocking on the door. They literally knock on the door and say, I got your name from such and such. And so what happened is we, I convinced my wife to let us move into the living room just for one day it was really hot. And then the next day it was hot. And then all of a sudden it was the spare bedroom. And then it was like, okay, take the furniture out of the living room because that couch just cost us 8,000 bucks. And then we had, we had, we were seeing 300 people a month in an 864 square foot apartment. And that became our clinic and we were there for 18 months. And at that point, the only people that came to us were the ones that had failed in every form of therapy known to mankind. Because why else would you go to a garage or apartment in Venice of all places? So you guys had to stay pretty much underground throughout this whole process, right? We did. Even when we went to the location you're at, we were still underground. And I mean, we had no website until eight months ago, I think it was. Talk about how hard that has been for you and even that transition right now for you. Cause I don't even think, I know we're going to have people that are going to Google you guys and look at your website, look at your YouTube right now. And it doesn't give a good representation of the work you guys are really doing right now. And we're in the process of changing that. I mean, the whole point was we had to put something up and everything that we're doing is new science and we're delivering it. So the way that we deliver it by the way is there's codes in each and every state and we use a BP code in California which basically says that this is an experimental treatment. And we tell you all the things that could happen and all the problems, if you read our waiver, it's pretty extensive. And basically we're just saying it's an experiment so we can operate outside of the standard of care. That means that we can do things and the standard of care is really restrictive. And the purpose for that, so people know isn't so just so you can make money off of them and so you can sort of gather these people, right? And now we can really look points at them. Right, right. And talk about money. Our total cost of treatment, if you were to do the similar treatment out there by getting a naturopathic doctor, a chiropractor, physical therapist, trainer and a nutritionist, our cost of our entire package would be about one third of what you would pay if you're going out there doing it by yourself. The whole idea was to make it, my journey of healing myself was really exhaustive. Everything was 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. It was like Monday to Thursday. Talk about that for a second, your journey to heal yourself because you had your own experience. That's what kind of brought you here, right? Yeah, I mean, it finally came to the point that, well, to the point that I was saying earlier is that it was really exhausting. Like we open up right now 8 a.m. and go to 10 p.m. and we're gonna go 6 a.m. to midnight eventually. How is it making somebody's life painful to get them out of pain? It just doesn't seem like it should be more convenient. My journey was, as a bodybuilder, as we started talking about earlier, I fell under a squat, a 600-pound squat. And it was just, you know, a young kid doing stupid things. And I torqued my back out and for the rest of my adult life, I spent two to three, four times a week with somebody, an elbow, an adjustment, something to try and make me feel better. And in my 30s, my back would go out, you know, like once or twice a year, but by my mid-30s, it was going out like four, five, six, seven times and got to the point where it went out 10 times one year and that's 22 weeks, basically, that I'm laid up. And I had a number of concussions, some car accidents that happened in between. I'd been traveling for 15 years internationally, the pressurization of planes, which I now know was causing a lot of the problems. I had all these things going on and it got to a point where in 2010, I actually, I went to use a computer and I looked at a web browser and I could no longer remember how to use a web browser, there's so much neurological stress. And that's when I just, it was so fearful, I rolled over and crawled up a little ball and cried like a baby for hours because I just thought I'd lost my mind. And the next morning I got up and just as I have to find a way to fix this. And then the other part of the journey, which I'm pretty cool to talk about now, it's been a little bit of a rough part, but four years ago, my brother, who was my father effectively raised me, committed suicide, he had 35 years of back pain. And he'd gone the traditional medical route, been in surgery twice, pain meds, anti-depressants, Abilify, all this stuff on top. And he just basically lost his mind at the end. And in his mind, he didn't have the ability to provide for the rest of his life. He couldn't work anymore. We sold his assets at a fire sale for almost $3 million. And, but that's how the mind works when you're propped up on narcotics all the time and mood stabilizers. And that was, that would happen right at the time that we were actually starting, where we started taking clients. And I think that's why I've been so fanatical or maniacal, because I really just don't believe that anybody should have to go through that kind of experience. And it's happening out there all over the place. I mean, we see 75% of people come in with diagnosis that are not correct. And we see people being pushed around from specialist to specialist. Nobody's stick handling, nobody's got, nobody's the advocate for the client. The client becomes the advocate for themselves. They go to a physical therapist, they says one thing, they go to nutritionist, say one thing, a doctor says another thing, chiropractor says another thing. And they take all that information and they take what they think is the best and they put it together to create their own little program. That's how it works. Did you understand all this before your brother took his life? Did you know this as you were like coming together, did you see where you were able to, or is it more out? I was starting to, because in the sports medicine clinics, we were starting to see behaviors and we're testing people as well. We're using different types of testing. And I started seeing that people were sicker than I thought. That was the thing that really got me is that we have right now 50% of the people that come to us, they're not going to a doctor right now saying I'm sick, but 50% of them have an autoimmune condition or are on the precipice of it. 75% are not digesting the food properly. I mean, if this was literally like a virus, schools would be closed down, borders would be shut down, we'd have National Guard deployed, 75% of our population's sick. But we, it's a silent, silent problem. And we're also being confused. I mean, we have arguably more access to healthcare, information, shows like you guys, you guys are doing amazing things by the way. I want to say, I think somebody said the Howard Stern. Yeah, and thank you for doing that, no, because what you're doing is you're setting out a benchmark and a difference. You're giving a platform, this, I could go and publish this, which we will, our science, we're going to publish. We have a, I'll talk about it in a second, we're going to publish the science, but right now it's because of people like you and the ability to get the message across that we can deliver this without having to have it peer reviewed. Because who, if it works, why are we waiting 10, 15, 20 years to have it delivered? If it works, it should be, we should be able to deliver it right now. And that was our whole idea. I didn't have the time, my family didn't have the time to wait. So I just started delivering the therapy and we found a way to make it happen. Excellent. So what can people do themselves now, people listening, you know, they're hearing all this, they're hearing about this epidemic of autoimmune and, you know, health issues. And what can they do? What are some basic things that they can do themselves to prevent that? Well, I think the first thing, honestly, is start to make a decision, take their healthcare into their own hands. They have little nagging problems that they're ignoring right now, everybody does. And they're just things that they just kind of, they just stack on top of each other because the brain's job is to make things normal. So it's start listening to the body, number one. Number two is if you're not eating organic, it's crazy. You're seeing what I see, there is no way. And you have to be vigilant about organics. I mean, we're just an organic restaurant. The funny part about being in this organic restaurant is they're organic, their wines are not organic. Well, that's 30 bundles of grapes, which are the most highly dusted crop in the world. And drinking a bottle of wine would be, you could eat non-organic for a whole month of all the other foods and vegetables and stuff like that. And that one bottle of wine is gonna have more of an effect on you. What about whiskey? No, actually, whiskey's good. Yeah, explain that a little bit about the grapes because I know we have a lot of people that probably love and drink wine. And coffee. And maybe eat organic food all day long, but then they wash it down with their favorite bottle of wine or coffee. Let's talk about that. Oh, coffee and wine, coffee and wine need to be organic, vigilant. Because even, the way even wine works is that if they are in eminent fear of losing their crop, they can still get an organic significant if they use certain pesticides. And that's not cool because if you have an, I didn't know I had a reaction to pesticides until about six months ago. Like I started, because I drink wine or coffee and I was a guy that I go, and you could find me in a mall by doing that. I'm serious. My kids know it, my family, I've been known my whole life, people would hear me coming a mile away. And as soon as I got all of the pesticides out of my body, that all went away. And it was something that was distracting. It was very distracting in my life. I'd be on phone calls, muting them all the time, clearing my throat. And so when it comes to things like being organic, especially around pesticides, now why is it so important? Yeah, what is it about the wine and the coffee that's so different than a banana or broccoli? Concentration. And the amount of pesticide use is way more on wine and coffee. But the other coffee has mold, which is another thing that, you know, jittery-filling is from the mold. It's not from the coffee. Caffeine doesn't make you feel jittery. It just makes you feel like buzzy, but not like shaky. So what happens is Roundup is a primary pesticide used. And the way Roundup works is it actually erodes the stomach lining of the insect within 24 hours. So the stomach, so the insect literally starts to death. So the way it works on human beings, trace amounts in our GI tract, start to eat the mucous lining in our system, and particularly make the small intestines permutable. That's where autoimmune disease comes from. Cause it starts off with, I got a little bit of eczema. I've got a little rash here. I got a little tickle on my throat. Little things, and we just ignore them or we get creams and we make them go away. Well yeah, pesticides, roundups and herbicides, have their own issues. Cause I do know that herbicides do, they do not affect the human cells, which is why they got approved, but they do affect bacterial cells, which we have a huge, which we're more bacteria than we are human cells. And so we totally did not account for that. Well, it's like we used to say that sodium molosophyte, the molecules are too big to penetrate the pores in our mouth. So when we used to brush our teeth, that we weren't hurting ourselves. Now we know that that's not true. So there's a lot of things that are scientifically proven, but they're scientifically proven with a point of reference. And you got to look at who's backing the science. Oh, we talk about that all the time. Okay, cool. All the time. And the thing is we, at the absolute best, even with the most benevolent companies and scientists, and they can be as honest and great as ever, but we only know to test what we know to test. Like again, we talk about the microbiome. We didn't even know that that made a difference. So we didn't even know to test for that before. So we could have done everything right and tested everything right. And the individual variants is great. And there's epigenetics that we don't, we're just now learning about. So it might be safe on one generation, but three generations down, now we're having problems. So that's why our process is endogenous biohacking. We're looking for ways to get the body to do what it's supposed to do based upon the inputs and information it already has. And I just, every time I apply anything external to the body, there's a reaction. And that reaction sometimes can be okay. And sometimes can make me feel okay right now. Like a lot of people for lymphatic drainage, they do the vibration plates. Your nervous system doesn't like the vibration, by the way. That's like, there's other ways to drain your lymphatic system. That is not a good way. Why doesn't the nervous system like vibration? Some women might disagree with you. Thank you. That's specific. It's a, yeah, it's a. That made you blush there a little bit. Woo! Is that horny tea talking? Yeah, it's a horny tea talking. He brought us horny tea, by the way. Yeah, just so. None of us took it. We don't need it. Yeah, I'm wearing sweats. So you're, sorry, your question again. So vibration, why doesn't the, why does the lymphatic system like vibration? Well, the body doesn't like vibration. It sees it as a task. So what's your, what do you, what do you think about all the power plates and ever with the, that, that, that big greatest crave that's been going for a while? So you take somebody who is very, very aligned, you put them on a power plate and have them walk for 10 or 15 minutes afterwards. And all of a sudden their neck's gonna be out, shoulders about, it happens 100% of the time. It's, it's, what happens is, is that it's kind of like, if you have like room temperature water, and if you're, if it's 10 below zero, it feels warm. And if it's, if it's 90 degrees, it feels cool. So the, the idea is the body, the body's always self-regulating. And when things, if your vibration is, it just feels like it's at attack. Like when you were rubbing the fascia on your stomach, if you go too fast, it actually tightens up. And we go slower and then it loosens up. And that was what I was trying to show you while we had you on the table there. And so that the body doesn't like, it's trying to perceive what's happening and shaking isn't something that's, that's normal to it. Right? So it says it must be, there must be something to have a fight, to fear. So as soon as it starts shaking, you watch, get on a power plate, you start clenching your jaw afterwards. You'll notice it. Really? So what do you, what do you? And then by the way, the jaw, the reason why we did the jaw, remember the primary stress indicator for the body's a jaw. If the jaw is, if the jaw is tight, the brain thinks you're clenching it. And there's a nerve called the fifth cranial nerve. It goes right up into the center of the brain. It literally tugs on that nerve. And then your body fires adrenaline or adrenaline or epinephrine because your brain perceives you're clenching because of an outside stressor. So the idea is, is that's why when we released your jaw, that's why it's all that euphoric feeling and clearheadedness and able to think and stuff like that. So what would you say to the trainers? Cause I've seen trainers that absolutely love to use the power plate. They'll have clients get on there because they see that they can get into a deeper squat and range of motion. So they'll put them on the power plate and have them do these deep squats. Let's just align them so that they can get that deeper squat range of motion anyways. Yeah. Yeah. If we're using external stuff to do something that we should be able to do naturally, let's fix it. Well, this is how we've always felt anyway, just like being able to connect intrinsically to that and be able to produce that sort of support system on your own versus like having that external feedback. Yeah. I used one, I don't know, about a year ago or maybe when we were over at club sport and I would get on it and do these positions and test it out. And it just felt like it was tricking my body. Like it felt like it's tricking my body. So now I can get into ranges of motion that I normally don't have control over. So that's why my body's and let me get in those ranges of motion. Right. Exactly. Because it's about your range of motion. It's also about the neurological inputs, your motor control. Like what we test people all the time is like they'll come in and they'll have structurally everything is okay, but they'll have pain like moving their neck in one direction. And it's usually a motor control issue and we need to ferret that out and solve it. And so the job of the brain once again, just like I put the smell in your one nostril to change your gait. If a single odor can do that, then what do you think other things that impact this daily are doing to our human existence, right? Yeah, we're just not meant to have all this stuff around. And I'm not on the other side saying, I'm not putting my phone into a Faraday cage until microwave. Like Dr. Micola. Yeah, we actually interviewed him and he actually sleeps in, looks like a Faraday cage. Okay. Sorry, Dr. Micola. Thank you for answering the message that I sent to you. He was asking about our keto product, how we activated it without MCT oil. Oh, cool. And... Did you send it over to him? He'd probably be a great guy to send that over to. Well, he sent me an email right afterwards asking how we did it through Ben. And then so I got the chance to talk to him back. So sorry if you sleep in a Faraday cage, but I'm not saying, I don't. And I just, we have to adapt to the world that we live in. And so we have to be practical and reasonable in some aspect, but that means that I take every opportunity to do the things that are right for me so that the things that I can't affect or avoid, like the chances of me not sitting again are pretty slim to none. I mean, I'm sitting right now. But so I actually, I've built a compensatory routine to help my body endogenously adapt to the environment that it's in. So there are stressors in my life that are not gonna change because where I live and what I do, I get on airplanes, airplanes aren't good for the body. Well, Dr. Annie Galpin would argue that there's some actually good health and positive benefits to actually keeping these things that it's putting our body in these stressful states intermittently in our life. That's okay. Yeah, no, I'm not, we need contrast. The body needs, if everything was always the same, the body would just like anything else. You don't use a limb, eventually it atrophies. Our compensatory action in our brain as a reticular activating system in particular needs to have that activity, but it doesn't need to have it at the extreme level. If I sit 12 hours a day, I'm gonna have a problem if I don't do something about it. If I take massive amounts of vitamin C or creatine, I'm gonna have a reaction. If I drink 12 hours a day alcohol, I'm gonna have a problem. So the idea is to live in the best way we can and we start off with a real simple process of alignment. We have found we've got over a hundred and everything that I'm gonna talk about is provable by some form of science. So we have over a hundred lab tests that show our baseline stress, sympathetic response. We need a sympathetic response to live. Otherwise you gotta walk around. You can't always be parasympathetic. Correct, right. And a car honks its horn. You're supposed to shock and then go back into parasympathetic. But the sympathetic response has been because of, we found that malfunctioning biomechanics respond for, or sorry, account for 75% of the sympathetic response. So when we take away the malfunctioning biomechanics, call your sympathetic response is your stress cup. If your stress cup's 100% full, any outside stressor makes you feel overwhelmed. So the more you can bring down your baseline stress by reducing habituating activities as one way of doing it, that's why we like habits. Another way to do it is to make sure our mechanics are functioning properly because when you walk and your arch isn't working on your foot and you have to engage with the muscles, your brain starts thinking about it. It has to do all this math and the way it gets you to deal with it is it fires stress hormones in order to compensate for it. And so when our mechanics are functioning well, then our baseline stress drops and then we're able to have all these other things in our life without them being overwhelming or harming us in a way that's deleterious. What do you find causes stress in your own personal life? What is something that you have to be aware of or combat or put into practice like meditation or things? So I used to meditate, I used to stretch. My work is my meditation now. Like when you're working with people at the level we do, we're 100% present while we're doing it. Okay, so I'm gonna stop you there because so my Katrina, the girl I've been with for six and a half years is they ran the first massage clinic in the Bay Area and they actually taught the first school. So most anybody that's been in this area in the last 20, 30 years and been certified probably went through their clinic. So a lot of the practices that you took me through are actually familiar somewhat to me although I hadn't gone through them personally. Her mom talks about them stuff and there's a reason why I was asking you that. Oh, so one of the things that she, they talk about is being around a lot of this, sick and bad energy and picking it up yourself. You say your work is kind of your de-stress. I used to, so universal principle. Everything that I pushed your hand, you resisted. Everything I pushed against I get more of. I used to try and get everybody's energy off me, protect myself and I would go home at the end of every day beat up. Right, exhausted. So I found a new way and I just had to, I'm kind of a science geek. So I think of Star Trek as my favorite. So I think of the energy, the negative energy being a black hole and I've got my engines and I'm pointing away from the black hole and I'm spinning around. That's what my life was like before. When we go right into that person's energy, guess what happens? No longer affects us. Just because everybody's been doing it for one way for tens of years, thousands of years, doesn't mean it's right. And what's happened is that the health of our staff has steadily inclined because they're doing the same thing now. So instead of fighting it, we're going into it. Yeah, you can't, it's funny because people try to fight stress, you can't fight stress. Fighting is stress. It's the same thing when people seek happiness. Seekiness is not happiness. But when you talk about what he's talking about where they have trained themselves to be able to feel the pain they're going through and feel that energy and almost absorb it yourself. Not absorb it, feel it. Okay, so. So there's a difference. If I was to give you an example, I see two pipes coming off of each person in my imagination. One pipe has the information I need to help them. The other pipe is all the deleterious unnecessary crap that's got to go. And it just goes through me like I'm a conduit. And that's the way that I was able, Felix and I, for three and a half years, I've worked 12 to 14 to 16 hours a day on a table. And anybody who does body work, you just ask them. How long? That's crazy. Yeah, but everybody here will tell you that I've been doing that and I'm the healthiest I've ever been in my life. Like I sleep well now for the first time in my life. I don't have racing thoughts throughout the day. Do you feel all the people that work for you have the same ability or is this something that you've learned to really hone in and cause. We teach it, we teach it. So everybody here can do it. And we can even demonstrate as we will later on. We'll show you exactly how. Like I know it sounds woo-woo, but we could set you up. We could go through your spine vertebrae by vertebrae and we could accurately tell you which ones are out. I can have Dr. Luke who's here as a chiropractor, verify that at the end without ever touching you. And so I know that sounds a little hard to believe until you see it or you experience it, but that's, it's just, we just started noticing at the volume of people we have and the fact that we see them for like, we see our clients for two hours at a, every session. And that's a lot. And we're interacting with them, we're walking, we're talking, we're learning about them. And that's part of what's been lost in the field of healthcare and medicine is the fact that getting to know the people that you're actually working with. Oh yeah. What is the average 12 minutes? 15 minutes, yeah, 12 minutes. So, but what's cool about that, what's really, really, really neat about it is when you start seeing people at this volume and you have, and you're seeing chiropractically, you're seeing fascial flow, which is massage, neurological rehabilitation, diet, nutrition, testing, our alignment work, you start to see things that you don't see in other forms of therapy or medicine because they're all there. You see somebody's emotional response to something that they did while they were physically working or you see that it's funny because people come in, let's just say that when they're in pain, they're a little ornery sometimes, fair statement. So the staff are trained is like, when somebody comes in and there's this one guy in particular and he just was, it was just ornery, like a real dick to our, especially to our front end staff. And I pull up his lab work and I said, this is why and watch what happens. And over the course of the 60 days, he's like the most happy, joyful, he just, his body was in a bad spot. We see that as trainers. We've seen that so many times as trainers. Same thing. Exactly, yeah. Same thing. So I'm excited to watch Justin get your fingers in his mouth there, so. He's nominated me. Let's do this. Let's get this party started. Sal should combo with me. His left glute is out. It's out, needs adjustment. So looking ahead, what do you guys try, what do you wanna do in the future? Are you trying to get more locations or trying to? So good question. So here's how we're handling the growth right now. We have people from all over the world come here. We've got a waiting list for the couple thousand people that are on it right now. We're moving them through as fast as we can. We, for people who can't get here, we actually can do remote assessments. We do it over Skype. We watch gait analysis. We give them corrective exercises and routines and we can do our lab work remotely. We also have a, we've just, we've been training up all these new staff, 15 of them. They're all, I was away on vacation. Everybody certified on the floor now? Just about, just about. So we got them all, we put them through a very long and extensive training program. And so we were starting up with the travel team. We got about 600 clients from New York. We've got about, we do a lot of celebrities like we do all the DC comic heroes as an example. So they're up in Vancouver shooting. So we have a travel team that's gonna start traveling to New York, popping up twice a month and then in Vancouver once a month. And what we're, our whole thing is, this is really not about opening up a million locations. We'll open locations. Like we're negotiating in London right now and we're gonna handle the New York thing because people can still travel fairly easily to us through the remote travel. Because for us, it's space and building a location takes time as you guys. Sure. And I feel like you guys really are about the science and data. That's right. So this is really an intellectual property play. What we're gonna be doing is our therapies fit in every form of medicine somewhere. Like the jaw work, like we have dozens of dentists that we work with who will now send people in for jaw work after they've been under the chair and they pull and stuff around because they're realizing the effects that the jaw has on the gate. Interesting. So you go to a dentist, you sit there for two hours, your mouth open, you get up and you walk away and no one's... Wow, he fixes your cavity but then fucks up your gate. That's exactly right. No, and you saw that, Adam. You saw that yourself, how much that impact. Listen, we have 350, look at the overall of the body. We have 350 muscles from the neck up, 340 approximately from the neck down. There's more muscles from here up than there is down and they all balance each other 100% as you saw when we did your job. So the other thing is we have 206 bones in the body, 106 in the feet and the hands. And the bones provide a lot of information to the brain on what to do. And we showed you the five floating bones in your body, how they affected the way you stood and walked and how we manipulate them. So the idea is to take these bits of information and adapt it to a different form. So we have dozens of doctors who are clients and now we've got about, I don't know, 15 or 20 that are trading us up for interns ships right now where we have MDs and DCs and orthopedics that are coming in and they're looking at internships so they can help us adapt what we do to their particular field. And then what we'll do is we'll set up licensed training programs to train different individuals in each one of those medical fields. So that's really our long-term strategy. Well, that's awesome. How can people contact you? Well, you can go to our website. We have a waiting list. I apologize for trying to get through it but in advance of that, you can sign up and it'll be more specific where you can ask for remote consultations and stuff like that which we can handle a lot faster because as you know, we're limited by space. We're in Venice, Google, Snapchat, everybody else. I mean, there's no space left there, right? That's one way that they can get hold of us if they're with one of our partner doctors and they get a referral, they'll get brought up through the list a lot faster but we're starting to run into problems with that now too because we've got so many doctors that are referring or either clients and referring to us but that's the best place is to come online, follow us on social media. And your website, humangarage.net? .net, yeah. Excellent, excellent. Well, thanks for coming on, brother. Yeah. It was a great time, guys. I appreciate it, thank you. 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