 in the dark you kept pushing on but then you went too far when your ship is sailing all your dreams are lost everything is wrong you feel like it's your fault just remember I will be there for you baby remember what happens when you work with intimate yes oh my goodness whoa okay so that's gonna mess up we were D I'm panicking because I low-key didn't know what was wrong because this it's set up the exact same way last time the same we haven't changed anything I only added in more see what did you do I just added in a hard audio input so I put them instead of being linked to the Logitech camera oh you know what it's okay it's still a learning experience we figured it out we figured it out whoo moving on okay now I'm derailed yeah now we're gonna like whoo because we posted this in like groups that like our like I'm like oh my god they're coming in here being like okay so we're gonna talk about a lot today and we're gonna try and keep it to an hour and a half that's the main thing so we're still learning this we're gonna talk about how we haunt we're gonna talk about Zamperla's new lightning train oh that's exciting we're gonna talk about behemoth paint job we're gonna talk about Wonderland's future attraction and what we think and oh thank you for the comments on the intro I worked really hard but it I have a feeling that's what messed it up and we're gonna talk about we just added it in last minute oh what's going on with attractions for the wintertime because as you saw in the intro obviously there are other perks and other parts of the world that have no problem running in a foot of snow so you know what is going on at Wonderland why are the laws so strict what's happening we want to talk more about that mm-hmm and then we're gonna talk about attractions closing in Ontario yeah and then what else up Marine Land Marine Land we can't forget about Marine Land everyone wanted to know about Marine Land okay I'll give you guys as much as I possibly can on Marine Land nonetheless let's start okay so I'll ask you before we switch over to Helen Hunt why is the TSA so much more strict in Ontario and Canada on running the rides in winter versus other parks so it's not like the TSA is the governing body that document we talked about Oregs 0 2 2 1 that is the governing body however in Canada and I'm sure you guys know this you know about you know just being Canadian and with other aspects like even driving you know maybe even copyright things we are very strict in Canada when it comes to certain legislation sometimes it's a little bit over the top and one of these times it's just that like that document you know the TSA Oreg 2 2 1 stipulates so strictly that the parks need to follow the manufacturer guidelines now here's the thing if you look at Wonderland what are our manufacturers B&M okay so B&M the big three and then a lot of older attractions now Wonderland is trying to modernize a bunch of stuff but you have like Arrow you know you have PTC you have old Vekoma so some of these companies don't even exist anymore so there really is no modern governing bodies or rules regulations legislations are even up-to-date manuals on them so the park wants to play it safe in accordance to what the TSA says right now in that clip there was Energylandia and you could see high period just plowing through the course and like a foot of snow and we're all sitting here like come on man we can do that I mean they're up in Poland they are further north than Wonderland is so why can't we do that well first of all like I said look at the big three we have B&M B&M is historically a very by the book safe company so B&M would need to give Wonderland permission to run in those conditions and I frankly don't think B&M would ever give that because again they are so hell-bent on safety and their reputation not saying Intamin isn't not saying that but other manufacturers like Intamin RMC are willing to you know tweak their design a little bit or go more out on a limb and try and work with the park so that's one of the biggest reasons I personally do think I definitely think Yukon Striker could could make it in the cold and the snow I actually think with a little modification all three of our B&Ms could run I think Mind Buster could run with modification it's just unfortunately that you know the legislation is so strict in Canada that they most likely never will get that opportunity yeah okay so I'm gonna touch we're getting a lot of questions we'll get to what we have what's called an intermission and that's when we'll start answering questions just because this is a podcast format we try to stay on we don't want to get derailed yes oh my god having to edit that out in YouTube studios can be so hard nonetheless we just talked about Winterfest what have you been up to in the week have you done anything exciting I've worked I've learned a little bit more of no limits to no limits to is very complicated but it's rewarding if you guys can do it if you guys can figure it out or have the time I know some of you can actually but if you have the time I highly suggest learning it it's really rewarding it's really fun yeah I worked no no you know what no no this is so wrong because on um what was my day what day is it Saturday Saturday on Thursday I actually went to this amazing place called scooters it's a roller rink like an 80s style roller rink it's straight out of stranger things like you put your roller skates on you go skating to like disco music the vibe was very awesome you know everyone there was super nice I was there with an awesome person um but that was such a cool experience and I think this kind of segues into something we were gonna talk about yeah because we then we were here on Friday and Brendan showed me an article that said scooters was closing and I was like what do you mean I was just there like it was such a cool place and there were so many people it looks so prosperous but no they said it was closing for condo developments and it seems to be confirmed you know a lot of places have been reporting on it and from you know what we gather from the articles and even from what people were saying is that they've been trying to do it for almost 10 years and it just seems like they've been successful this time so it's really unfortunate that the city is losing a piece of that history but you know it's not only scooters is it it's from what I understand it correct me if I'm wrong in the comment section Dave and Busters is also rumored to eventually become condos as well so it seems like attraction after attraction is just condos condos condos so what do we we're all just gonna you're just gonna live in your 500 square foot shoebox go to work and that's the that's what it honestly like wonder and then it's so funny too because Wonderland north south east west of the park is getting developed into things and Wonderland's already infrastructure-wise at max capacity in my opinion so it's that's another interesting topic maybe we'll talk about that in episode three yeah how is Wonderland gonna handle the crowds five years from now because I think they're screwed yeah I think I think season pass holders will have blackout days in like I could totally see that but yeah okay so let's get into a huge topic for me because I love Halloween I love Halloween a lot and I've been to Halloween hornites so we're gonna talk about Halloween haunt at Wonderland we're gonna we're gonna talk about how we haunt at Wonderland and our opinions lately and if you're a worker that is in charge of Halloween haunt at Wonderland I warn you trigger warning I am gonna say some pretty like critical things honest and critical things and I'm sick and tired of being held to a standard where I'm not allowed to be honest I'm gonna be honest moving forward that's my that's my commitment to my viewers so I highly suggest maybe clicking off because I do have some critical feedback to give on how we haunt but that's just what it is it's not like we're bashing anybody it's just honest feedback and how we feel is probably how a lot of other people feel too so it's constructive at the end of the day it's on yeah so I'm gonna play you a little clip from how we hornites right now and then we'll come back and discuss it so enjoy hopefully it works and hopefully doesn't mess up our little I played that for a reason because it's gonna segment into my biggest pet peeve with how we haunt and then we'll talk as a whole but as you saw so what you just saw is the icon so how we hornites has what's called icons every year it's like it's usually jack um chance has worked her way in she's kind of like jack's assistant but she assistant but she got a whole year I think that how we haunt lacks an icon like a ruler over haunt like that main character and I think for Wonderland they could really play off of their clowns area and them being a theme park and they have this really cool um clown actor um named buttons I think she would almost be perfect because she's like already like heavily into like YouTube and all that so she'd be a personality that'd be amazing for it um so I think Wonderland really needs that icon that they could put in an advert like come to like I'm taking over Wonderland for the fall like type thing like I think it would like that that's what I think they're lacking they're lacking a lot more we'll get into that sin but what do you like I I 100% agree like to me halloween haunt and okay I have to be honest prior to this year it's always been about roller coasters for me halloween haunt night rides but you know what you know what no it like haunt is a different immersive experience and that's exactly what it should be and and brenden taught me that but the biggest thing that I notice is there's a lack of story right and there is so much potential because they have each themed area well it would be so cool if they could tie them in and I want to bring up something really quickly we went to king's island for halloween haunt now is nothing like universal and you know it's very similar to Wonderland but they attempted to do a generalized story where all the monsters had escaped containment and then they have until midnight to retrieve them and on the hour every hour they would give an announcement a part wide announcement giving the status and then on the last hour they would say you know monsters have been pushed back to front gate everyone helped defend the park something like that you know now that's not that much but even for wonderland to do something like that and even elaborate on that I think that would really increase that immersive experience and it would attract like more people to come in because it's like wow it's almost like we're in a movie like what universal horror nights does right it's like we're a part of this now yeah I was so disappointed when I saw pandemonium so wonderland's haunt used to be amazing like paramount ran that event really well and lately it seems like wonderland's been on this they say they're not heading down the family route but I can't help but notice they're heading down the family route which I thought was a good idea at first remember when I saw the um what was that like um area in medfare with the day of the day I thought it was brilliant when I saw it yeah it's they're lost wonderland feels lost and they don't know what they're like the design team or whatever doesn't seem to know what they want how we haunt to be and the other parks have an identity like this isn't a cedar fair problem this is a wonderland problem there's no identity they're getting rid of haunted houses the scare zones yeah the scare zones are not as well themed like front gate is supposed to be the gates of hell it doesn't have a single piece of theming it has the coolest monsters but not a single piece of theming it's just like I can't and I know this is gonna upset people but I'm sorry if you think that how we haunt is a great event at wonderland you're naive if you work at wonderland and you think how we haunt is the best it could be you're naive okay I'm just gonna say it I know that's gonna piss you off but it is not good um the scare zones are really bad like really bad like some of them are cool I like the clowns one because the actors that's just it yes the actors make up how we haunt let me get you like say that some of the haunted houses are really well themed I'll give them that some of them are universal quality but they've just like there's no story there's no identity there's no oh so I feel lost don't know about how we haunt yeah I 100% agree with that um I think scare zones you know they're they're a really important part of of haunt because that's called you know atmos I believe right like atmosphere they're your atmosphere actors so well you're let's say you're walking from one under the park to the other end maybe you go on a ride you eat something whatever you're just walking down the midway and then all of a sudden you come face to face with this monster well that monster's job you know is to increase fear in you is to bring the environment to life and the monsters do an amazing job at wonderland they do a really good job with that but the sets and the props and stuff they're kind of out of place like it doesn't really make sense what's going on so no I have I have something to say in a second but yeah it doesn't make sense right like you're by vortex and there's a bunch of trees and stuff but I don't know I feel like they could do a much better job of blending everything in together to make a more cohesive storyline or just a more cohesive atmosphere yeah and then like I can't I can't help but do you remember this how we haunt that has happened and we were walking through spirit manner and there was a family with a stroller walking through that and the kids were terrified like crying terrified and the family sourced them through it ruined the whole thing they had their little boo necklaces on I blame yes I blame wonderland for that too I blame wonderland for that too it's it's absolutely I I have no idea what's happened it's not a safe event for families so I believe and you can correct me if I'm wrong but I know wonderland they you know they used to advertise you know recommended 13 plus never a strict law but or rule but recommended 13 plus but Paramount was a little more strict on that right like I don't remember ever getting ID'd but I don't know I think when you present a halloween haunt that's just it it's scary it's a haunt not saying there can't be a family area maybe like open up kidsville or something do do like you know if you want to come with your kids that's fine but stay in this area of the park unless you're coming or exiting give them a fair warning but like when you are running an event like that from seven to midnight then you are primarily targeting you know young adults or just anyone over the age of you know probably ten right so you should really be catering to that like cater to the theme and cater to the to the scares you know maybe more theme music more horror music like in different sections of the park you know you could do like I don't know like a halloween theme or a freddy cougar theme or or something like that you know not just the same scary tune which is nice that they do something because wonderland wax and that but I think there's so much more they could do to immerse guests that other parks do very well yeah it's not even big entertainment wise I think they hit the nail on the dot for the most part I like a lot of the shows they're missing the one in canterbury missing that one skeleton crew was amazing I didn't believe you at first but I didn't want to see it but that was an amazing performance it was good yeah so entertainment wise it's really good I feel I don't know who's responsible for the vision being lost but pandemonium was worse than a garage haunted house yeah a local haunted house only open on how we night for churka treating pandemonium was worse than that and wonderland has money a team and they had so much time yeah like wonderland honestly should be really embarrassed about pandemonium like I agree and and you know they tried to do something where they had two sections so it's either you go through one section or the other it was so short and it was just bad they stuck broken mirrors on the wall and then just masks that lit up and they had like one or two actors in there yeah like at that point just got rid of the whole thing and extend ruins or just don't even do it at all like it could have just been an exit platform that's what it felt like it felt like a little exit like we were getting an exit show like so um yeah this was the worst year of haunting my opinion um I think yeah to be honest like sorry go well when I mean there was always last year where there were no mazes well but you know what they did last year that was a lot better than this year is because they couldn't do mazes they made the atmosphere pop more so they put more effort into their scare zones which I think was really evident and that was cool they had more monsters roaming around that was also cool because then everyone gets to experience that you know you don't have to go wait in a 45 minute to an hour line which is something else I think when I personally I understand why wonderland does it because they want the lines to keep moving otherwise like you saw you know some of those lines were long and I they want the lines to keep moving but it's almost nicer when you're separated when it's not like a conga line I don't think wonderland can do separation though but then universal does it but at universal without the skipped line pass you're only getting one or two mazes done well that's king's island and cedar point do the separation but they have to close mazes sometimes early because the line gets too long um there'll be a question period soon um we're trying to keep this an hour and a half we're already at the 30 minute mark so we have an hour left so we're on track so far but yeah um what do you guys think about howling haunt like quickly like if you guys have any comments I'll read them out um yeah I think they need a few more mazes I think they need to go back up to seven like seven mazes and if they don't want to do mazes then they need to do scare zones it needs to be like scare zones like just get rid of the mazes then if you can't do mazes and you suck at designing mazes stop with the mazes uh quick side note what was your favorite maze ever ever that's so hard oh my favorite ever ever oh um the one in whitewater canyon oh the the the slaughter mill or whatever it was yeah I forget miners were miners were bad that was my favorite that was a good one I think they need more theming loved coasters obviously yeah coasters make up not too impressing like I felt like summer night but busier yeah um howling haunt I've never been I mean it's it's worth going like especially if you have a gold pass yeah it's included yeah they definitely need something like it needs an identity that's the best advice I can give them identity find your identity they should almost do like a yearly theme mm-hmm what do we want to talk about next should we just go right into marine land yeah everyone wants it's not gonna work though so I'm gonna quickly have to add in audio so give us 10 seconds I can quickly add it I uh or let's let's test if it works okay here we go boom now they can hear us let's double check yes okay so every time we cut to a scene marine land and we get cast off everyone love oh man um so marine land is such an interesting topic because I have like I have no idea what's going on but I have an idea of what's going on it's the weirdest thing so my sources for marine land are always accurate I've never been wrong about marine land to be honest to date so when it comes to information I'm very confident in the information I get with that being said if my sources are to be correct as they usually are I feel like you're gonna cease and desist the Kellogg's information that I've been teasing 100 Kellogg's lane in Hamilton Ontario Hamilton Ontario I think or London Ontario London Ontario they will most likely be the new owners of marine land now that it has gone silent so marine land basically last year started preparing for the sale you could tell they were cleaning up all the rides they were cleaning up the area um and then like we were we've known about Kellogg's for about a year and a half now about the Kellogg's information we've had to keep that tight lipped like again this is pretty risky so knock on what um because if they're not the buyers then again so take this allegedly there I'm protecting myself from all that this is a legit information to be taken with a grain of salt um rumblings a rumblings um so the problem is it's gone silent I was told that it was purchased and that they were waiting for lawsuits to clear the lawsuits are now as of two weeks ago all resolved and cleared so marine land is got zero lawsuits against them um provincially they're good as well federally they're good as well um so we like we should be hearing about the new owners now the only interesting thing that has come up about this two things hard rock and this Kellogg's um company there's been some sort of partnership deal that took place about six months ago and I'm trying to keep an eye on if it has anything to do with marine land so that's one number two um there's been ever so slight rumblings of Hershey Park I don't think I'm sold on the Hershey Park thing um but something has happened because Kellogg's like so I'll tell you the whole story that makes more sense so basically the story of the sale is the owner Marie she's put the park up for sale it is up for sale as is you can only buy it if you are interested in operating it as a theme park I know this this is that information is correct um and it is highest bid it is not a sale price there was no sale price to the sale which is crazy and it's land and theme park as a whole so highest bid won the park there was only one bid on marine land and it was the Kellogg's people for the longest time it was so I don't know what's happened with that because I was told January was supposed to be the announcement um it January's past I was told even before that it was supposed to be like October October past but January was supposed to be the announcement now the only thing that makes me believe we can still see it is because the lawsuits did get settled in January like end of December January so maybe that information is correct based off of that but if a bigger player like Hershey Park did make a bid last minute maybe what we thought were the owners were dethroned and that's why we're not seeing anything so that's why I say I don't exactly know anymore because the owners that I knew or I speculated the owners that I speculated were the Kellogg's lane and this was supposed to be their first theme park I knew the plant I knew the rides that were most likely coming next like um now it's interesting this is what has me thinking that it's a bigger player so in these images you see here so they've started excavating I'm speculating I have to be really careful yeah how you talk about marine land I've started speculating that they're removing the dead animals because so for those of you that don't know in the upper left image here this is where the animals have been kind of like it's either here or right I could be one of these two areas the animals are buried from what I speculate they are starting to remove those dead bodies um and then if down here in the bottom bottom image you just see like a dirt road almost so marine land has slowly been building service roads good service roads around the whole park so cars don't drive on property anymore that's the whole point of it um that to me is a sign that there is a bigger player coming into because if it was a family I can't one of Canada's richest families buying the thing I don't think they would change much they like they could but I'm I'm thinking the service roads service roads scream someone that knows how to run a theme park yeah like want to establish infrastructure and they're building the service roads everywhere like around attractions keep so no cars ever on the path so that's what has me thinking now that is 100 speculation that is not I'm not hadn't been told the service roads are because it's a bigger theme park that's just my guess um I could be totally wrong and maybe 100 Kellogg's lane knows how to operate a theme park better than we know and these service roads are because them but the good news is things are moving forward service roads are being built um the animals are what I speculate being removed from their graves um which is a sign that with all the lawsuits being settled maybe we'll know who the buyer is I'm telling you right now it's it's either the Kellogg's people hard rock or Hershey it's one of those three it's only one of those three if I'm wrong I hope I'm wrong because there is another player that I wanted to be but it's not going to be them Dollywood who owns them again oh Hersheyne Hersheyne I wanted to be Hersheyne so bad Hersheyne had visited so this information I know to be true to Hersheyne had actually visited the park last year twice no bids were made I know that or at least that's what my sources said no bids remain so they visited the park obviously they're not interested um Hersheyne did buy an aquarium out in Vancouver oh yeah yeah um so that was my that was my hope they're looking at properties in Canada I don't understand why more people aren't looking at marine land with the amount of space they have and and at the end of the day you know marine land is prime real estate like you're at Niagara Falls you know one of the biggest tourist areas in the country the border is right there so you can be you know getting Niagara traffic St. Catharines maybe Hamilton Toronto and but then you have Buffalo Rochester all that other traffic that you could feed from and there's no really competition in that area other than Dairy and Lake and you know I kind of like if you if you do a few good investments you can easily outbid that so I think I think marine land definitely has potential it's definitely it should be viewed as competition regardless of what it is because there is so much potential there oh yeah like everyone looking at Wonderland's numbers and then you look at a Niagara Falls packed day okay oh 200 000 people like did you see New Year's yeah that was probably upwards of half a million can you imagine a six flags even brand up there Canadians Canadians know more about six flags than they know about Cedar Fair which is crazy to me but they know more the name Six Flags stands out to even Canadians more so it surprises me that there weren't lineups of people even just inquiring about marine land I don't know what the parameters were in terms of the so what I so if I was someone that wanted to buy marine land I would not keep the 1000 acres I would buy marine land sell three quarters of the land um because most operators can't afford 1000 acres so that would have been part of my business proposal to a bank to get the loan to buy a place like marine land to sell three quarters of the land even half 50 percent of the land to land developers but her requirements from what I understand where it had to be sold as is so that's what could be causing the problem because I I don't see I don't see how this place isn't already something well I mean it's over a thousand acres right like it's like how many magic kingdoms like a 99 magic kingdoms or something like that something crazy like that great adventure including the safari is out 800 acres and that you know the safari alone a great adventure Six Flags great adventure takes three hours to drive through and marine land is a thousand acres I think another intimidating thing about all that spaces there is a Six Flags in Canada Ron a good good call out good call out but I think an intimidating aspect to any amusement park operator or just anyone when buying this land is look in these pictures look at all that undeveloped land a lot of it is marsh wetland you know like you said there's not really that infrastructure yet and there's so many trees and you know there's a lot of reclaimed land and it's a big task like whoever buys this property unless they want to run it as is but if they want to make their own mark on it they are going to need to put the work in not saying it won't be rewarding because I think if they did like it would be extremely rewarding yeah who knows I need it to be someone because Wonderland needs a little bit of chess they need a little chess game for them to get good yeah um so but yeah um there is a lot of land that is developable by the way it isn't like all like you haven't been been have you yeah we like the summer okay because they have that bird sanctuary that never got built okay that and it's developed land and it's ready it could fit like eight coasters on it alone it's massive it's right behind Star Voyager if you remember that big circle I was a little out of it too when we went don't forget but yeah marina's got a lot of potential um with that being said I'm like what topic should we jump into next oh wait I don't know if there's someone in the audience here who would love this but I'm saying I'm saying mock extreme spinner you want to go to unlock extreme spinner you want to go right you want to go to wonderland's future no we got we got to end on wonderland's future okay okay we got to end on okay we're going to talk about Zamperla okay no we'll do behemoth paint job then we'll jump into Zamperla because Zamperla then sets us up for wonderland's future okay so let's do behemoth paint job it's going to cut out audio again quickly um but you know what uh it may not even work I need to test this okay give us another 10 seconds but you know what hey everybody mr sandwich here bringing you a look into one of the ways canada's wonderland can rescue a stuck coaster on friday june 10th behemoth rescue there mr sandwich this video is sponsored by mr sandwich thank you y'all gotta check about he has good photos and everything um that's hilarious I forgot to edit out the audio I wonder if there's audio I wonder if there's audio I thought it would be like birds I forgot that's the video he actually made for the channel um but um yeah behemoth paint job I had to throw this thing because you're pissed so yeah I'm actually extremely upset and I'm gonna be very calm about it this is a whole there's a whole thing behind this and first of all the industry standard is usually 10 years behemoth was built in 2008 it is now 2022 it's going into 2023 behemoth is going to be 15 years old not one single paint nothing no paint no no restoration no anything to the track now intimidator at carowinds was built in 2010 yes 12 years old this season it got repainted brand new paint and it wasn't even in rough condition like the paint looked nice it wasn't faded or anything they repainted the whole thing and it looks fantastic you know they did it quickly it looks fantastic diamond back diamond back is getting painted diamond back is getting painted that thing has already been painted it's getting painted again my goodness it didn't even need the paint it didn't need the paint it's being repainted again behemoth has literally been rusting away now I'm not saying that's a safety concern but you know what it's literally on your road right right on the main road well you're driving in there you're looking at behemoth and it is fading you know it like it used to be yellow and now it's like it's turning almost brown like if you look at the rails the rails are all black covered in grease it's really sad the paint is starting to peel and the queue line like on some of the footings and columns it's it's really upsetting you know it's even more upsetting than this look at leviathan now I love leviathan but leviathan is getting up there to an age is that going to get painted well if behemoth hasn't been painted leviathan's not going to get painted until behemoth gets painted leviathan is almost just as bad as behemoth now how faded it is this isn't funny well they gave like we literally these are two thirty million dollar machines and they're just being treated like this it's very disheartening and you know it's even more disheartening you look at the industry look at bush gardens griffin alpin guys got a paint job cracking got a paint job they're saying mako is going to get a paint job intimidator got a paint job taught to got a paint job literally every bnm in north america has gotten a paint job but ours oh my goodness your therapist messaged me she told me to put this in here she said you brought it up in your session and look at my blood pressure okay that was that was from advice from your therapist you needed to let that out like you know what though even from a maintenance standpoint like yeah a little bit of rust isn't bad but your uv protecting the rails you know you're protecting from micro cracks you are protecting from weathering you're protecting from oxidization it's in the park's best interest to keep all exposed surfaces covered for longevity of the ride and oh and something else you guys might not know but the footing threaded rods so those are the grounding bolts that are on the ground on leviathan some of them haven't even been painted since the ride opened they've been exposed for 12 years just rusting and those are footing those are bolts you see in the parking lot like you're walking up and then you see just rust stains everywhere it's not a good look yeah it's genuinely not a good look yeah and it's very upsetting don't even get me started about how they store them whoa say why don't you talk about where leviathan strains that's literally on the ground guys these are million dollar trains you know they travel in speeds of over 148 kilometers an hour and they are sitting on the ground they don't even have a tarp on them they're not even arranged in lines they are literally on a metal rack sitting on the pavement for the rain for the snow they're just rusting away there's no sign of anything being done to them yet and i don't know if you saw them they were already in pretty questionable condition like the seats like i'm sure you've all sat on on a ride and you saw the restraint had chunks out of it chunks out of it and you know what the funny thing is fury 325 at carolins just got a full restoration now maybe that's because it went to full time that ride was built in 2015 this is the second restoration those trains have gotten in seven years leviathan has only been through one restoration in 12 years keep going i'm just like i don't i i i really don't get it it's it's it's it can't be anything to do financially because wonderland has the funds they and i'm not saying they're mistreating the ride that's not what i'm saying but there i think there is a little bit i want to say neglect i do want to say neglect i think there's a little bit of neglect going on with certain aspects now obviously i don't know everything but but they can't even put a tarp on the train you know i want to i want to bring something up and i'm pretty sure one of us took a picture and posted on her social media at the start of this season on the train it was trained to row seven and it ran like this for about three weeks and again this isn't a safety concern but just aesthetically pleasing right you want these things to look nice to make like it makes everything look nicer it doesn't make it look trashy but there is a piece of painter's tape with rust written on it and then an arrow pointing to a bolt that had rust water rust dripping out of it and that stayed like that for three weeks like they can't they kind of identify there's rust but they can't do anything about the rust i have to email the bear i'm gonna have to hire a lawyer it's not every ride can have a beautiful shed for the trains to park in over literally look at you con is all scuffed up i don't want to hear about it sleeping in its shed right now five years and let's see what that shed looks like um but i i did see someone brought up a point probably five minutes ago with their rent now um so the paints jobs and maintenance so when it comes to a theme park they get a budget so cedar fair is like wonderland you have 30 million dollars in 2022 to spend on maintenance blah blah blah blah the 30 million is way above budget by the way that's just a guess it's probably like five million something stupid something low wonderland went way over budget with maintenance this season and do you recall why i i do but i have a counter what was their excuse three years ago when the rides also needed paint back then now they need it more but they needed it but he needed paint five years ago someone's saying oh yeah yeah we'll need to go fund me i join us on patreon by the way join me on patreon but i leak a lot on patreon now by the way i've given up playing safe i leak a lot on patreon so definitely join me on patreon it's worth it um but nonetheless it's coming you know you know what i say about paint jobs spring so wonderland because of winter can only do paint jobs in spring i'm holding out our ride is getting painted this spring that's how i word it our ride is getting painted yeah it's probably gonna be something that nobody cares about um there there's gonna be paint jobs it's either vortex or behemoth it's vortex or behemoth it's definitely i don't vortex or behemoth mark my word mark my word vortex or behemoth this spring i don't think behemoth is ever gonna see any new paint to be honest um it's not both it was supposed to be both because even peter teased it it was supposed to be both i don't even think vortex is like although they built that new service road just now for vortex in the lake that could be though for tundra twister because it goes in and around away from the ride that's true um yeah that's true there's a new service road that we're paying attention to so they could still be doing what they were supposed to do on vortex vortex is supposed to get an overhaul it's supposed to be almost like rebuilt without being rebuilt um they're gonna add more support connectors i think is what i heard through the rumor mill but that's all talk about there um and then a paint job so i don't know it's either it's either behemoth or a tex is getting a paint job or tex would be cheaper to paint what about refurbishing some trains you can order the new zamperla trains the vine that could get new trains made by zamperla this is great since we're talking about this too a little segue um the wooden coasters not saying anything but i'm just saying instead of doing you know one a hundred foot section of retrac every five years maybe spend one season just completely doing the whole thing like king's dominion is doing with with gravity group interesting that our podcast is called derail then we're talking about the wooden coasters oh that's their time i've ever gotten um that's what we'll say there um do you have anything else i feel kind of do i need to contact your therapist is there anything else you want to get out on the podcast right now you're shaking i you know what i am i am because wonderland kathy he's losing his shit on stream right now wonderland has a great has a great track record with maintenance right and i still think they do however this season you know there were there were a couple of things that you know that that aren't like normal wonderland fashion and it's it was nothing like nothing bad happened nothing bad happened but i don't know how to word this you don't worry i'm not gonna worry just that no it's a it's a frustrating thing you know okay all i'm saying is it would be nice to see you know some more touch ups on the rides like okay when they were redoing winseeker's cables that was good that is something that i don't mind that ride being closed for three months because they're redoing the cables but you know what after they redid that winseeker didn't have a single problem it was right like when they finished it ran flawlessly that's the kind of stuff i'm talking about i want to see more of that like really you know instead of focusing on a bunch of little things focus on one ride and really you know put put as much money as you can into it to make it run like it's new that is something i think that you know wonderland should focus on and maybe even revitalizing some stuff like at kings island adventure express it's this little mine train coaster it's actually not bad but you know it wasn't that popular but look they're completely bringing it back to life because they're like you know what we don't know what to do with this ride instead of getting rid of it let's build a little themed area around it that's cool you know it's not going to cost them that much but it's going to spark public interest in that attraction now imagine if they did something like that with minebuster or thunderrun or just thunderrun yeah like just put you know $50,000 of theming little things but it's those little things that can really make an old attraction pop so stuff like that would be cool because a lot of parks do it and it's not expensive and it's not necessarily time consuming because you're not rebuilding anything you're just adding some a little more pizzazz to the ride everyone's like Brennan has hardly got because i i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i i loved it i was encouraging it i set you up for this i live for it this is good this is good back lot that's another thing they got rid of that sign they got rid of that sign in 2021 and it's just it's been nothing but something had happened to the ride no no i know but that was then but i don't think the tss is allowing them to have any loose ability oh okay so um some okay it wasn't no no one got hurt they were really lucky but it could have been final destination um okay since no one got hurt maybe i'll uh this is a legit this is take this with a grain of salt this is speculation um there was a windstorm if you guys remember was this last year this happened it was last year wasn't it well or was the sign was gone one week after the start of the 2021 season so one week after july okay so then it happened right before the pandemic then so basically when you guys go down the staircase um before the uh thing on back you'll notice one side is missing now well there was a windstorm um and the train oh no i'm not talking about that i know you're talking about the big sign the front where it comes yeah yeah yeah that was just a sticker yeah but i have a feeling they had to remove all loose objects because of that what if it came off and wrapped around the train because it happened a little bit after the accident so this metal sign came off before the train the wind blew it and luckily to their luck it went underneath the train and the train stopped and ripped up all the sensors where the helicopter is if this metal sheet had gone the opposite direction um there could have been thing this is storytelling though storytelling i just meant the deckle by the way that's all right okay that's all but there's tea for you there's tea but to get back to it just putting little things like that in you know like paint you know maybe theming a queue line a little bit i personally don't care about theming but i know a lot of people do and it makes standing in line a bit of a more fun experience when there's something to look at but it's just i have a funny video to post later no you do not that is not seeing the day of life i will end this friendship i will end this friendship i will nuke your house that's world war eight declare if that video ever goes up um um okay so let's segue we're running out of time because i want to get to a question period for you guys um i feel like we can wrap this up let's let's talk about the zamperla train so we're gonna play a clip really quickly and we'll be back i'm standing in zamperla's main production hall in vicenza italy and i'm standing next to the lightning vehicle this is one of the most exciting roller coaster designs amperels ever created in addition this hall is created some of the most iconic attractions in the world and you can find them all around the globe but the lightning vehicle is something the industry has never seen before you may know our thunderbolt vehicle which premiered in 2014 we looked at it updated it and made some significant changes to that design the most important feature of the lightning train is the aluminum mill chassis it's critical for a few reasons first the train weighs less than almost any other one on the market secondly we virtually eliminated welds on the chassis this is a game changer for maintenance when you look at annual ndt costs that's non-destructive testing this aluminum mill chassis means that our clients spend less time and money taking care of their ride on an annual basis than our traditional coasters and the competitions we're excited for all of our clients and even our competitors to look under the hood and see why zampro is creating the best roller coasters in the company's history we're very excited to work with the pacific national exhibition on one of their largest investments ever the lightning train is a component of their new roller coaster from our team it's going to be the fastest launch coaster in canada an offer experiences known in the pacific northwest has ever seen it uses linear synchronous motors think of them as magnets rolled out they call positive negative positive negative to accelerate the train in a matter of seconds we can go from 0 to 45 kilometers per hour or 0 to 200 it's all up to our clients in addition the lightning vehicle has different road wheels than we've ever used before they're made to be low maintenance withstand high accelerations and will soon be seen on some of the world's fastest attractions this can be of last and certainly different than anything you've ever seen at p&e we look forward to working with the team as we install the ride test it and get guests screaming on one of the most exciting attractions in canada when we designed the lightning we designed it around two key factors comfort and cost of ownership we also talked to hundreds of amusement park owners around the world we got their input on the various rides they've been on across the globe and put all that into our attraction on the comfort side we really rethought about how we design coasters our thunderbolt vehicles were nice but they weren't groundbreaking the lightning is and what we've done is we've taken this seat and restraint and made it very user friendly we work to make sure that's extremely ergonomic guests from a wide range of body sizes can comfortably fit in our seat and be subjected to the thrills from our roller coaster designers in addition we move the tubing way outside the headline this means it's spaced very wide and you're never going to have headbanging like on a traditional over-the-shoulder restraint the lap bar fits you right on the upper thigh making it a very comfortable ride both of these attributes were key when we talked to our clients and we put all of their feedback into the lightning vehicle cost of ownership is so big at zamperla and that's why we looked at doing things differently here too traditionally on a roller coaster seat you have to send the whole thing back to be refoned it takes a lot of time and money to get it right what we've done here is to make all of these individual pieces this makes this seat something an owner can change out in a matter of minutes instead of it taking days to get the seat replaced and refoned all of these things are part of zamperl's roller coaster design we really try to think of each and every square centimeter of the lightning from the wheels to the top of the seat our engineers have worked to make sure this is the best roller coaster train in the world and we look forward to riding with you soon on coasters around the globe whoa we're about just talking about makeup done well look at me i got i lost 20 pounds you can't tell since when i got see who fits on cyclone what storybook are you reading looks like one of us will be riding thunder and twister okay so uh the lightning train that is for a i don't know the name of it but a ride over in a peony peony play land um i think it looks sick i do nothing about it until um until just now for me no no no no i know um so what do you think you know more about this stuff than i so the way they worded it was now i'm not knocking this train because it is a really good design and it's a really good looking train but the way they worded it they made it seem like they are the industry first in it and maybe from where they come from like that part of the world they are and for zamperla this is definitely like now zamperla if they can implement and mass produce this technology with other attractions they will be competing you know with b&m intamin and mock for sure but mock b&m and intamin have been using chassis and designs like this already for quite a while so zamperla is in a way playing catch up however you know they were able to do what they did with the size of company they are so you know like b&m intamin they are up here right like they are top dogs in the industry mock but now zamperla is able to cat like they caught up with them with relatively very little effort you know like i really encourage all of you to go follow their tiktok if you look they hired a whole new design team about 30 people and they're all fairly young guys and women like really young people they're all they're all young is what i'm saying like and they're all like you know fresh minds they're thinking outside the box and they were really able to deliver something that b&m could deliver but for a fraction of the cost so if you're getting the same quality or pretty much the same quality for you know a third less why wouldn't you want this you know like why wouldn't a park be going after this if you're getting that same comfortability that same reliability the same low maintenance cost the same performance but for for a fraction of the price of course people are going to eat this up i think zamperla now just needs to really get their name out there which is what they're trying to do so this is very exciting because the industry has been dominated so long by just you know three or four key players and it kind of became a wash right like a monopoly almost like you got your b&m wings you got your b&m hypers you got your intimate blitz which are fun they're amazing but they're all the same you know i like them but a lot of people say they're all the same so it's nice to see smaller companies like zamperla doing this kind of innovation because to get on top they're going to be forced to think outside the box and it's that outside the box thinking that's going to give us the next great coaster well yeah your box is like that side when this ends you're in so much trouble i know i'm kidding um so do you think they're going to do the new trains do you think the lightning train is going to be the train for topical dragster i'll put it to you this way there is no reason it can't be like with the technology and the way they design the train the strength of the train there's no reason that train can't withstand those kind of forces and it seems perfect like that pitch to cedar fair would have been like low maintenance costs and i want to point something out when he was talking about the restraints the lap bars that was always something and if you've ridden dragster you know there's always been that thing dragster versus king decaw which is better well 90 of you will say dragster was better why because of the lap bar well look zamperla they they they kept that you know in mind right like nobody wants an over the shoulder restraint at the end of the day so zamperla was able to make something work that simulates that lap bar so i think just based off that alone that could be a really good sign for things to come what do i think the seat will be like for tundra twister probably like every other mondial i think it's going to be very close to cyclone yeah the seat and the the restraint and everything yeah it's probably going to be identical if i have to guess yeah now do you believe me okay so the thing is we're going to know where rides are going now moving forward every like next year when the park opens we're going to know right away where the next ride's going because now we know what to look for and these rides just gate like it's gonna be so easy um because now wonderland because of the vicinity they build them we're always going to see those distance markers yeah and we know what areas to look we already know there's one flying canoes and action theater that's next because those those markers are there for a reason too the same distance i mean it makes it easy for us yeah so um super excited about that which brings me zemperla can now technically so this is what i want to segue into because we're going to disagree a little bit i think that we're getting i think that wonderland has the potential to get something a lot sooner than people think um zemperla can now do launch coasters um they can build the trains for those launch coasters um and they're working on top of the dragster what's to stop them from using their own track design and developing a coaster like red force and some of you in here might be asking what do you mean by red force well this is what i mean sorry you saw how good i looked in what realm how many realms are there in your imagination one two three four um okay so i oh that was an angle can you run me over with your car yeah i'll i'll do the um okay so red force why i've had my eyes on red force for a while now i've been and not too many people are going to agree with me here but i think that red force not a not a world record breaking strata coaster i think something like red force would be perfect for wonderland it would literally solidify them in canada if they built red force at wonderland can you imagine um the teens the young adults like everyone would be talking about it and they wouldn't they could go eight ten years without building another coaster after building a red force there's no way that someone at cedar fair isn't being like okay well when we built top full dragster at cedar point it became the icon and it's to me it's not like like there's bigger more expensive coasters out there well how much did it cost ours wouldn't cost 30 million i i can't remember how much dragster cost i think it was like 18 or 20 million but that was in 2000 yeah so it's probably like 30 million nowadays but i think that um there's no way cedar fair isn't looking at what top full dragster did for cedar point and wanting to create a cedar point of toronto because they could replicate a lot that did well at cedar point and fix a lot that didn't work well at cedar point and they have this potential again imagine so they build red force and then the the hotel is actually gone now by the way i was going to talk on i had a whole joke segment i was going to do on you but i can't find the documents anymore so now i look like now i knew all along let's be realistic it got removed off the von website and everything i think that they need that one big attraction and b&m's aren't going to do it for them anymore i i 100% agree with what you just said there oh i thought we were going to disagree now but no no this no i agree with we need that one big attraction because let's be honest leviathan is kind of like i love it but anyways now this is this is where it comes to a strata style launch coaster maybe not 400 feet but let's say they even looked at something 350 feet tall 170 kilometers an hour lsm now there's there's two concerns that i have one is the maintenance and two is the cost to operate it those are my biggest concerns and that's the only reason i could see that potentially not coming to wonderland at least for a very long time now i know that we would never get a hydraulic cable launch so that eliminates a lot of maintenance cost right there which is a good thing but i also know the amount of engineering and trouble that went into red forces lsm launch to get it to sustainably go that speed every time the amount of infrastructure they needed to update wonderland is nowhere near that level yet in my opinion the ride that consumes the most energy at wonderland is back lot stun coaster why because it has the launch you see like those huge power centers they have they're right like the transformers now imagine something that goes four times faster than that or three times faster than that you're forgetting something what company has been on site at wonderland for the last five years upgrading their power grid it's been heart well but we haven't seen the transformers the capacitors or anything like that well there's a new power bank that was attached to back lot stun coaster itself and then now the equipment is over by the main transformer over by behemoth helix i think that they're upgrading their power for several reasons it's not just but a contract will last five to six years and it's still going but how expensive is that it's got to be for a reason yeah that's true um i mean regardless they're gonna have to upgrade anyway so you could easily argue vice versa i trust me i want like if they got a strata i'd probably never travel again to be honest or like a really fast launch coaster i just i don't know i think it's um i think it could happen but in the next five to ten years i think it's very improbable for me personally that's where i think we disagree with so our next coaster honestly our next coaster it's gonna be massive i already know it's gonna be massive which brings me okay so let's say it's not red force could it be this paying attention to our stream forgetting that it's delayed and not to the compute not to the control center so i lost five seconds there all right so you all know that i've been predicting a mock extreme spinner it's either it's a mock extreme spinner or a wing coaster whatever is coming next it's six years since uconn okay we got us to track one five years so 2025 brings us to six years since uconn five years if you take the pandemic out of it we're getting a coaster in 2025 regardless my sources are telling me 2024 you already know my opinions on that it's not happening we would have seen signs there would have been land clearing already because it's gonna be big it needs to be big um i think and like honestly if i ran the park i would build a intimate launch coaster um in the mountains basement for winterfest like what um bush gardens williamsburg is about to open dark coaster that's what i would do for winterfest because i see winterfest numbers doing this and it wouldn't be that wouldn't be that expensive because it would be a smaller footprint and you already got the building yeah built so you just have to put in the coaster that's what i would do if i ran the park and i saw winterfest numbers this year i would be like oh move this big coaster and bring in an indoor coaster um there's still potential it could be like that's what scares me though about winterfest flapping because you know cedar fair what they move things around um i'm convinced that next year we're gonna see a boring addition and not next year 2024 it's gonna be boring additions it's gonna be splashworks a dark ride um in action theater maybe just a couple park upgrades and park upgrades um 2025 is gonna be big in my opinion big big it's gonna be 30 to 35 million dollars because they're saving money too if they if they invest if they're purchasing it's they're saving so much money because they are making a lot of money too with sales yeah just in passes alone and stuff like that so so now is the time to invest and we've seen it again a lot of people disagree with me you used to disagree with me but you see it now they do invest a lot in wonderland it's gonna be 30 million i'd be shocked they could go down like honestly i could be really wrong and they build a gci that wouldn't be 30 million no it would be like 18 max um there is there's that there's a small potential that that's the route they go down the reason though and you just said it because of the dollar in the economy it would be more beneficial for cedar fair to build to give wonderland like a 30 35 million dollar record-breaking steel coaster while the u.s. dollar is stronger because most of cedar fair's funds are in american dollars so when you convert it you know 30 million 35 million canadian is only like 28 million american so i think it would make more sense to build the biggest addition yet to wonderland in this time frame yeah i keep forgetting not everyone in here is an enthusiast and knows all the definitions a gci is a really good wooden coaster is the best way to describe it it's not like what you see at wonderland right now it's a good wooden coaster that's comfortable smooth and it does really cool elements you get awesome airtime as to can you like oh yeah gci is like you know what in many ways gci is actually better than b&m and intimate they're technology in my opinion for trains as far as superior gci also stands for great coasters international it's in the name great someone had asked about slash work so if we are getting anything from proslides trust me i'll be the first to know like i will be the first to know it ain't happening anytime soon wonderland doesn't work with proslides willingly with that said someone had asked what's happening with the waterslides so the the waterslides are coming back the ones that burn the one that burns super soaker it'll be back in 2023 the part the piece should be arriving end of april i think is the date and you have to remember like the water park doesn't open until the end of may right so that they they have quite a bit of time um and yeah i get you know we might as well start the question period now because we're down to like 12 11 minutes left we'll make the stream an hour and 45 minutes so give you guys enough time to ask questions and stuff and then we'll end it if it starts to die down but yeah we'll start questioning i'm like oh we're on time today this is good this is good hi mr excellent you said something about that a couple years ago yeah if you have questions guys just shoot them off in the comments what do you think about gravity groups new prefab track that is amazing i think that is going to be an industry changer like this seems like exactly what intamin tried to do with el toro now or when they built their prefabs which for the time they did good but now gravity group gravity group is my personal favorite manufacturer if you've ever been ridden a gravity group you know like that they just go above and beyond all expectations and their engineering is so precise and they are so amazing at their craft and i think this is going to be much more successful than titan track unfortunately which because i really thought titan track was a cool concept but i think gravity group is you know about to take the industry by storm with this for any part that doesn't want to go the rmc route question why is surya not projecting his voice is surya's voice i haven't seen anyone else comment on it i am sorry i'm actually i think i'm talking pretty norm yeah no you should if it's not him projecting it's the microphone by the way yeah he's talking the same level i am if i have to talk louder just let me know he sounds fine okay future marine land attractions um if it's the owner i think it could be a win seeker could be a ropes course it could be a family coaster i think i don't think we're gonna see marine land having a 30 million dollar attraction anytime if her she park buys it whoo if these new owners buy it don't don't get excited the plans i've heard aren't the best he sounds okay any updates on kingswood theater yes the park actually did speak to me about it so there's no plans for kingswood dinner they're just gonna let her on will they ever fix her up the waterfall yes so from what the park told us they are fixing it up every year they fix up a little bit they completely redid the roof of the mountain in 2018 or 2019 i believe do you guys think rmc can be in canada's wonderland's future i really don't think so i think cedar fairs had a lot of not problems but just okay you know what yeah i'm gonna say problems i think cedar fair has had a lot of problems with rmc now they've delivered two incredible products for cedar fair no one's questioning that but the maintenance behind those two products isn't something that cedar that rmc main cedar fair aware of in my opinion you know that there have been problems with both steel vengeance and twisted timbers that probably could have been avoided if maybe a little bit more thought and planning one into it on rmc's part and you know especially after what happened to intimate i think cedar fair is really cautious now with who they work with yeah i'm very cautious i don't think you'll see an intimate at cedar fair ever again i think i think this was the like this was the final the fact that they're choosing zemperla over intimate yeah um guys i it's so hard to keep up on the question so i'll try my best if i miss yours um any suggestions on how to become a wonderland youtuber just vlog everything put your thoughts and opinions out there and upload as often as possible that's rich coming from me uh do you think wonderland will ever do anything about their food situation i think they are they are actively working on it yeah uh did you guys release the last part no i have not done that yet uh kings with land isn't being touched where would they even be able to fit another coaster so i'm gonna answer this because i we saw this when you i was showing you wonderland can fit so many more rides in that park guys so the thing with wonderland and any theme park really all they really need is a plot of land that can house the station a queue line and essentially maybe the brake run and all that everything else it's like a flat ride size plot of land in most cases rides they're manufacturers yeah they'll they'll do whatever you need them to do and whatever plot of land you want them to do um right yeah no yeah like you just build over like look how they built over dragon fire do you think claus coaster would marry me um what will tundra twister be open i expect it'll be open with the park when that opens in spring are you gonna do live streaming tonight on tiktok yes yes i will uh uh why did they remove the virtual reality on thunder run waste of money it took a long time now i remember doing it it was actually free with the platinum pass um to send a train took about seven or eight minutes so good question if wonderland gets a wing coaster what do we think i think if wonderland does get the wing coaster because the record was taken away from cedar plain that wonderland would get the wing coaster record i think that they would go for tallest longest fastest wing coaster in the world yeah anything you think i want i know okay so what would i honestly think slash want maybe more want is a launch wing coaster i think we could do the fastest launch wing i think the launch could be 130 because you would kill two birds with one stone you would give us a launch and a wing coaster and it would have like a 200 foot in moment for the height record well wonderland never put a small new ride where orbiter used to be why did it get removed i think that there's a potential a small ride could fit somehow in that area but that path is too valuable now for wonderland to get rid of it um and the ride got removed due to maintenance got too expensive to operate it's a good way to put it um for new stuff i think we need removals obviously yeah wonderland is desperately in need of some red removals um imagine if wonderland ever goes tapu tapu so i do know and did peter not comment wonderland is one of the parks that wants to go down the road where virtual queuing becomes a thing because they want people to stay in the paths um spending money now the problem that i don't think it would work at wonderland is you're removing a lot of capacity if you get rid of those queue lines are too small yeah like so good luck tapu tapu is universal yes the um bracelet at that i knew that what no i'm grabbing a renovating wild bee stick they are with grizzly at king's dominion i could see that i could see that i i'm very excited for gravity group to start working with cedar fair this this is for this to me this is fantastic i agree i agree i agree with raiden there if it's not going to be the tallest wind coaster they're not going to build it there's no point for them to um what do you think if marine lin adds a bnm invert so the thing is if it's the owners that i think it's going to be then we're not going to see anything exciting i don't think and i haven't heard any rumblings of anything super exciting have you ever been on the paid rides slingshot extreme sky flyer yes i have have you i have it's been a while for um extreme sky flyer what about a strata coaster i think that there's potential for a strata coaster in wonderland's future i think you know in a distant future yes we'll ever have a fast lane no i do not um and the reason is it's too low capacity and the groupings to yeah i think they need a single rider line that would be cool yeah i think a lot of rides i wonderland need a single rider line uh what do you agree with kate on future rides the queues need to be designed for over an hour moving forward to wonderland so the problem is wonderland i learned that wonderland doesn't like people in queue lines oh i don't people don't believe that they were there were so much spillage this season marine land is being sold from what i understand marine land has already been sold let's fingers crossed an announcement is coming it should have been fair farm is too good it's amazing any news on marine land we did a whole segment on it next coaster getting removed i can really only see flight deck or time warp dragon fire flight jack time warp or one of the wooden coasters wild beast they bring a lot of money in that last five years the retracking i don't know although if you think about this remove wild beast and speed city look at that plot of land you have there yeah how come they haven't added any more rides at marine land they just had a star voyager it's a it's a park owned by a woman like uh an individual that sounds so bad the way i worded it what i meant to say when i meant to say an individual person like one person runs that park owns it runs it and she if you see her house she's like it's the same size of as my house like she's not like she's not in a mansion she's modest so this is like this is a literally a probably a middle wealth person running a theme park and it has been struggling i think this year was the first year they broke even and the break even isn't a success story like like how does she pay her bills i mean she owns a lot outside of marine land too but yeah to the point where wonderland's tends to get to the point where it's almost doing more harm than good for the park braden literally i'm gonna make a whole video on my channel about that um i've been like literally starting because there's a housing developments galore coming in and i think winterfest so they had the season passes for winterfest there should have been a lot of people there i think a lot of people are getting sick of waiting in line i wonder when dragon mountain last got maintenance dragon mount is beautifully taken care of yeah i think it's like one of the smoothest era was actually ever built well the dollywood one tenancy tournament i said one okay wonder mountain is very bad right i think wonder mountains guardians wonderland's biggest mistake sorry about it the ten million dollar fail literally a flop yeah uh everyone's making fun of my woman comment the theme parks run by a woman i wonder why i'm basically it's terrible well she had her hill yeah that's icon she should own the park honestly she should she should be president of cedar fair yeah she should be in charge of operations with cedar fair that woman is so smart um brandon what do you think about removing loviathan first rata shantel we're gonna remove you no marina should sell the park they'll make it better to be honest they're trying i'm spitting i like that second gate i think there should be a second gate at kingswood a kingswood entrance to a whole new area you want my honest opinion about kingswood i think it should house the second gate and i'm gonna hate you and it should be city view like restaurants and shopping that's open year round and then have it like another gate that they can close when like the park's not open but there should have clubs like a club it's not that big of a lens we can't build it like city view at universal but i think city view would be perfect for kingswood and it allows them to have the second entrance yeah you'll love it imagine a boardwalk yeah i mean it wouldn't really work at wonderland it doesn't you know what i actually this is another thing it would cedar point i i had so much hope for their boardwalk but they removed wicked twister to say they're opening up the boardwalk the beach and then they just built a wild mouse what's the difference between season pass at wonderland get a gold pass get a gold pass just get a gold pass don't buy the regular season pass it makes absolutely no sense i will defend wonderland in that winter fest is the best winter event you can do in canada it is the best no one comes close to comparing i don't get how anyone chooses to go to christmas market the christmas market in toronto it is so stupid stupid if you like it if you like it i hate you no i'm kidding oh my god first the woman now this i'm declaring i'm kidding but i i just don't see it i don't see it and winter fest is so underrated um my dogs love the christmas market your dogs love the christmas market to you i'm kidding um but yeah i like where was i even going with that something else it's worth it for the price of gold pass gold pass get the gold pass it's a hundred percent worth it um the skating rink is too crowded though i agree from what we are hearing there's could be more skating coming to wonderland yeah i should work with gg grab your fixed mind buster yet just want to accept platinum pass if you're from the states yes yes yes yes come give us your money please what do you think we'll replace flight deck if it gets removed a wing coaster uh because it's right there by front gate and it's gonna do some front gate magic and gatekeeper 2.0 my channel has eventually they're working on it you the same people that you saw the mox spinner video i paid a fortune for that video i paid an even bigger fortune or i will be paying an even bigger fortune i have um the same people building a front gate rena which he saw a little teaser of isn't that cool that's really it's really cool it's really cool i hope we can like um with a wing coaster and it's themed to like um an asian dragon uh because they're going to bring back world expo eventually and i think that's when we'll see those rides get removed is when they want to build world expo so it's themed to that and it um it'll have the original genway gardens what was it called zenra gen gardens or something like that the restaurant there too so super cool zizz isn't gonna happen oh why don't i touch on that okay so zizz isn't gonna happen wonderland did studies and the the public didn't like the word zizz so um wonderland threw zizz in the garbage they'll never use the name that's what it was told to me by the park zizz will never happen which coast do you think wonderland should remove didn't we answer this yeah we did what are both of your goals with wonderland so we made a commitment to being better content creators um and that means several things means being honest which the park may not like but being honest being transparent um we want to work with the park and so our goal is to have the park sit down with us and go over fair fair guidelines because amusement insiders just being transparent did not have fair guidelines in previous years i was basically held to a standard to be biased um and i learned that through my food video um i don't like what happened after my food video and the more i thought about it the more i'm like well i'm being basically i have to say i love wonderland and everything about wonderland um and i'm not allowed posting anything cool that happens at wonderland that's too cool and no really cool information but i'm also not given anything anything to compensate for not posting that cool stuff so i'm at this point now where i'm like okay well even if i'm not yet but let's say i fully just decide to be honest and like just post whatever i want to post i'm gonna lose media access and media access is the media events or construction tours my drone has the ability to see anything i want inside wonderland at this point from several different public parks around the park i can zoom in even i haven't even shown you guys the full potential but if i lose the media access i'm not given anything cooler so what i honestly want is for wonderland and us to sit down and go over a fair thing that's like okay we won't post x y and z but in exchange for not posting when something goes wrong um we should also have more behind the scenes access than other content creators so wonderland's current rule and this is what i disagree with this is and i'm sorry if this makes me sound cocky but amusement insiders is only allowed to get behind the scenes tours that every other youtube channel even if they have a hundred subscribers gets that's that's what the same standard that amusement insiders and syria even now is held to we only are allowed to get what everyone else gets but we have the audience and we hide information and we hide information that should give us more access out of respect mutual respect so if we aren't saying what happened to you con or mind buster and stuff like that then we should be given like uh you know oh this is how like i've asked several times to even just see like inside the maintenance area and like a day in the life of a maintenance worker but for you guys i wanted to film that and it got a hard no um and that's when i started like it really affected me like this season i'm gonna be honest my depression my depression this season was caused by wonderland heavily heavily by wonderland like it was really affecting me because i felt horrible i felt like i was a failure i honestly i was on the park side for a moment there where i was like okay um this is getting really hard to make content i don't want to make content anymore because i'm upsetting the park but then my viewers are calling me bias which they're right about so then i'm in this awkward state of being the most hated person by everyone so like it's not worth making content and then slowly i started being like well this isn't fair this isn't fair i've done so much for the park i've promoted you con striker better than anyone's ever promoted you con striker i've people watch the construction updates p like people really tune in um and i'm just at a point now where i'm like okay well i'm going to be here and i'm staying here so let's work together but present something more fair i like i can't be the biased person you want anymore um i'm not gonna accept being biased but like be fair like we will work with you we want to work with you we want to work appropriately with you and keep being respectful both ways but you have to offer us something to compensate for the loss of journalism and stuff that we aren't posting and we would never post anything that would make wonderland look unsafe by the way ever like we're never gonna post anything you saw with our thunder run videos the ride is fine no one got hurt we're always gonna post like we're never gonna go to that extreme they're like never but like there are things that we could post that are cool that would get a lot of views but we don't and we do that because respect so we just want to see the respect back we don't want so we don't want free food that's not what we want we don't want free season passes we don't want full disclosure guys we pay we both like i i have paid over like my pass costed over $1500 because i got platinum all season fast lane your pass was over a thousand dollars we pay what everyone else pays and nor would we ever expect uh you know like here's a free pass now we don't expect that no and because everyone always asks this like oh you probably we don't get anything no like every time we go in the park and we we buy merch we buy you know snacks we don't get that for free we don't get free passes we don't get extra ride time or anything like that nor do we expect that no but or no i should say nor do we ask for that but yeah so we pay just like everyone else yeah and we don't i don't i at least me i could care less i don't want free stuff yeah i want experiences for you guys that's what i've been fighting for all the time i have you've seen my emails like i'm like can i please film this this would be so cool my viewers want to see this i'm working on something with another company right now that i hope works because if so you'll get to see some sort of really cool thing that involves wonderland i'll tell you after but um i want that kind of stuff that's what i want i want content content for you guys in exchange for me not posting x y and z i would like x y and z to compensate and x y and z to me personally is like uh oh this is how this works this is how we get ready for winter fest this is how we get ready for how we haunt this is what goes into that that's what i want that's all i want and sometimes when i'm talking to wonderland it feels like i'm fighting an army they're like that literally so the best way to describe it is wonderland views me like the the rotten child like because i so when i did uconn i covered uconn i posted the blueprints i will never post blueprints like that again once the park sat me down and explained what happens when you post blueprints it clicked and he convinced me this i will never leak stuff like that i will talk about things but i'm never going to post blueprints so um i agree with them on that but they have never forgiven me they've never forgiven me and it sucks because i fought so hard for this park there was a whole year remember when i was fighting narsity and everyone and wonderland was in my dms being really nice to me being like thank you so much blah blah that didn't translate it to anything i'm still viewed as this horrible person my food video which is honest i stand by that that is the most honest review of the food department anyone could ever give there's nothing wrong in my video in fact i was so right their phones don't even get pulled out anymore their phones do not get pulled so don't tell me my and i was not allowed to go to a media event i was not allowed at the winterfest media event full honesty because of my food video because it upset people so again we're at the point where we're ready to just be content creators and if that means we don't get to go to a media event again because we're not going to them anyways anymore that's like what have we gotten like we got nothing this year other than the opening day media event and we're not being treated like the content creators we are and we haven't always behaved like the content creators we want to be but we're like going into 2023 i think you can see this with this podcast working on it we're working on it we're going to be more professional but that also we're going to be honest and if that again means that we don't get invited to media events anymore then we are okay with that but we would like it and if i'm assuming there is someone from wonderland in here because they usually do watch everything we do um very closely if there is someone from wonderland in here reach out and sit down with us i've been in that room that conference room where we sit down and talk we would like to sit down and talk with a game plan to move forward because i'm not going to take anymore being told i can't go to a media event because i posted a food review and because i was right or every time i screw up i get punished with a media event i'm not i'm not being treated like a child anymore i'm a content creator i do really good at what i do i am really good i spent a whole year and a half thinking i was a horrible content creator and that all we do is piss off people i'm done anyone who thinks that i pissed them off because of my opinions goodbye like i work really hard and i'm going to continue to work even better i feel like that turned into like a 15 minute segment a disclaimer that's our legal disclaimer um i feel like we missed so many questions just stay honest don't get bullied we should upgrade the arcade with new core games i agree the arcades are so outdated you see anything you want to answer i am looking do you want me to show them the plane oh yes yes yes it's kind of cool yeah it is cool sorry it has something to show you guys it's a little heavy so i know we've always like well not always but i don't know how to should i just show them yeah should i just show them yeah so i know first first of all i want to say for someone who claims they don't like uconn striker i certainly have a lot of it stuff but this is really cool and if you're from my tiktok you may have seen it before but this is an actual break plate from uconn striker i don't know if it could pick it up the camera but it's engraved on there this is a solid brass plate it weighs about 20 pounds it's part of the friction plates this specific plate came off the train and how it works is there's one plate on the train and then one plate on the clamp and as the train comes in the clamps close and the brass plates make contact and it literally stops it by friction so these plates usually start off about an inch thick as you can see that's not an inch and they wear out pretty quickly it's usually replaced about once every three to four months so usually twice a season it's gonna break the house and it falls it's so heavy oh my god this is heavy and that's about half the weight as they normally would be what are all these grooves ah that's how they manufacture it okay and but you can see the surface how it's all yeah that's insane drain down that's so cool he has more parts every podcast is gonna show something cool he's gone to a lot of ace events and he knows yeah that's so this is where i got this from ace kanda does an event in the spring or in the fall and normally they have like a raffle or a q and a session where you can win these kind of parts which say it's like 20 pounds it's about it's 22 and a half pounds or something like that good guess i know i know my weight so it's yeah like you know when they say a train weighs 30 thousand pounds you're really thinking like well you know it doesn't really look like that much but one uconn striker train has about 50 of these plates on it about 25 on each side so you know right there just in brake plates you're almost you know 2000 pounds and just brake plates then you have the wheels that weigh about 40 to 50 pounds the carriers that weigh three 400 pounds like it all adds up and this is solid brass if with today's brass prices you can look it up but this is probably worth about maybe 120 130 dollars so these parts are the cheapest but it's cool and people won't are asking how much this no this this is going to be willed away when i die um yeah i think a lot of these questions are starting to repeat so any anything else guys and i can't see it being space it would it would be frontier canada themed if anything in action theater thank you one mashup i rate your podcast a 10 out of 10 thank you well it seems like every year i'm answering this question every year they get a new attraction they always try and outdo the last major attraction yeah you can't really get a refund on season passes um that's in their terms and stuff they're very open about that when you purchase uh somebody wanted a refund yeah because it's gonna be busy because of what we said yeah we're gonna get emails on that too yeah you missed out so this is the end of the podcast we just did some questions we went a little over time we're approaching two hours now so trying to keep it between an hour and an hour and 40 or an hour and a half hour 45 minutes trying to see if there's anything else would you prefer a new thrill rider i would always prefer a coaster what time are you gonna go live tonight so go follow him on tiktok what's your tiktok again tiktok is syria k 3 2 5 um i'm probably gonna go live right when i go home so what time is it now probably you're like 10 10 so i'll say 11 okay so 11 p.m we all go live on his tiktok every night so it's it's a lot less professional than this but you have our full and undivided attention uh we're not gonna rant about wonderland anymore that was the second podcast um again i just it is frustrating because it was depressing like i was hurt really badly by my relationship with the park we are not removed from any media list that we know of right now yeah um but i saw that question we're still on the media list but i have a feeling we're getting pretty close um maybe not um we're just not allowed at certain media events we're not allowed at food media events because the food department we're not allowed at entertainment media put it this way come april we'll know more yeah for sure um but i we want to work with the park so hopefully the park reaches out and we come up with like rules and guidelines and fairness that's all that's all we want rules guidelines and fairness i think that's really fair and professional to ask for and i mean at the end of the day like all we've really ever been doing is promoting wonderland you know we say the gold passes is a good deal oh come on this day it's a better day to come check out you con striker check out this check out tongue or twister it's awesome come to the park like we've never not told people oh don't go to wonderland it's a terrible place and nor will we ever that is not something we will do and that's not something we've ever done can i come to your house please do you're in danger please thank you um yeah is there any uh where would red first go if it was added so along the highway um kingswood there's a couple areas that could honestly fit it uh i will i say a couple there's a fair few kingswood or the highway yeah kingswood or the highway but there is space for it they fit leviathan didn't they well it's a small parking lot coaster i got yukon's a small dive because not even the best dive coaster the water park is out date it is it is uh the the show lineup will be the same they don't really change much at wonderland yes there are height limits for the rides you can check that out on the website the big rides are 54 inches though actually yukon is 52 inches food and drink plan is a hundred percent worth it the drink plan is insanely worth it oh yeah a hundred like i i a bottle of water after tax i have a video um it's six dollar 78 cents for a bottle of smart water which we're not what knocking wonderland on that but if you take that bottle of water and then compare it to 34.99 for all season you know if you're a family you go to wonderland you don't bring water throughout a 12 hour day yeah you're probably gonna buy maybe three four bottles of water so just right there and that money you spent you could have had a drink plan with unlimited soft drinks uh no cragis not still a part of the youtube channel i realize there's nothing whenever i go to the water park i'm hyped then i realize there's nothing to do and go back to yukon why that's the depressing side of the party new amusement parks coming to can't otario i think so i think thank god like i can't i don't understand how these other operators haven't looked at wonderland's numbers i guess land would be the biggest thing because there's like no land and there's a lot of red tape yeah well not anymore all the red tape was lifted i mean like even operating and stuff yeah um all right i think i think we're good to go that's a lot of people here at the end though uh yeah you know we we did make it go a little bit more than half an hour because we have that little bit of technical difficulty at the start um i do think wonderland would get something from cga but i think it's gonna be water park oriented which won't be bad no all right thanks so much for watching guys guys thank you see you once we was live in an hour we'll see you soon bye