 And we're back, we are back with Sasha Day Game, James Marshall, and we were, you know, we were getting into some, some good discussion, man, you were saying coaching, you know, when you read the game, when you, when you're basically going off just the marketing alone of the industry, you know, it's, if you do this, it's going to get fixed, but you're actually saying with coaching, with your experience, in fact, with all of our experiences, that it's so dependent upon something else. Here's what fucking stinks about this goddamn industry. Too many people, I'm not going to name specific people, but there's too much marketing hype and very little results, and that's what really pisses me off. So you'll, you'll go and see the, some ad words like, yeah, we're going to teach you how to have sex with girls without ever facing any rejection. That doesn't exist. Or even leaving the house. That's called using hookers. All right. Hookers. Then you can have sex without rejection, but in any other situation, there's going to be some rejection. Believe me, you can have rejection with hookers. Well, yeah. There's, I heard one story, but I don't want to go into it. I could, I could actually go off about a story, but anyway. I could do in China. The point is, I didn't, I made one hooker joke, and now Steve Mead is fucking, wants to get in his hooker store. Hey, hey, James, James backs me on it. But anyway, my point is simply that, you know, most people, most, they just don't fucking realize that they have to go deep to get real personal change in the seduction. They just think, yeah, I'm just going to say some fancy lines, and I'm going to fucking dress cool, and I'm going to slash a little cash. And yeah, you're going to end up with some fucking shitty girl who wants you to buy her fucking Mercedes, and that's, you know what I'm saying, but to really get some profit. Or, I don't even have that, you know. It's just like. Not even get a gold digger, that's depressing. Yeah. Maybe we should talk, maybe we should, because we've had this kind of discussion before where we're like, some guys are bad and they teach shit, but maybe what would be useful for the guys is to talk about, well, if you are looking for mentorship in the seduction realm. What to look for? Yeah, what should you be looking for? Because of course, like if you're a guy who's coming into this you don't know, and you just look and there's like a flashy addon that's like, then you're like, oh, I guess that's it. Yeah. Let me bring this up. I was thinking about this, well thinking about you, because you've never done that route, but you've always done infield video. And so what do you think about some of the stuff going on now, because infield video is very popular, and I think, I mean, this is my opinion, but I think a lot of times it may send the wrong message. You've never done that. Like you've never, you've always been like, this is what it is, this is what I'm going to do. This is what I'm going to show you. You know, because that can be deceiving, because what I'd say are the age old things like, well, look at the person, look at their life, you know, look at the results, would you want to be like them? Even that can be tough now, nowadays. Because people can edit their videos very effectively. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or it's like, what are they getting? You know, I was watching one and there was this guy, and they're like, this guy can fuck anything. And he's like, you know, boning all these chicks. I know from sexuality, that's great. You know, you should get that result. Every man, I think, can have that. But it's like, if you're just showing that, and then like, I don't know. I think one of our speakers, it was at Socrates, but yeah, it was. Socrates, he was saying that how you get to a certain goal or result, the path you take is extremely important. And I think he's really right about that, really resonated with me. You know, I'm sure there's, I'm sure to some degree, some of the manipulation and bullshit that you can do to fucking quit, get girls and bang them, I'm sure that works, but you're becoming a manipulator and a fucking liar, you know? But if you take the harder route and actually deal with your shit and actually become a person, you can respect yourself and women can respect. You're just gonna have a great life, because not just in seduction, just in general, people will be like, that's a fucking dude I would have a business with, you know, or I would deal with. And that's really important, and I think that's something that's overlooked. The path you take really makes a big difference. It does. And that's why I don't edit anything and I'm just like, this is what I'm doing. There it is. Yeah, and I think, well, any effective path needs to have a large element of vulnerability as well. So, because the nature of this, and the reason why the marketing of like, Euro rejection sells so well is because guys don't want to be vulnerable. They don't want to have those moments where suddenly their ego is stripped bare or they're being judged or they're in self-doubt. But that's, I know for myself, even though those things are difficult, those are the points where I really grew. It's actually stepping into the fear and having it overwhelm you and being humiliated or being rejected or feeling like a fool or not knowing what to do. When I look back over my seduction history of like, moments when I really like had breakthroughs or the girls that really changed me, it was the ones where it was a train wreck or where the girl called me out on some bullshit. And I just had to go, yeah, all right, yeah, I'm full of shit right now or I feel humiliated or I just don't know what to do because then you start digging for the internal resources and then looking for the mentorship around you to help you step through that. Yeah, you know, like, when was the last really big time that something like that had happened for you? Because those things are always happening throughout life, you know, and I think a lot of people assume that that just stops. I actually remember the last time that happened. That happened when we were in Vegas. When was that? Vegas. Yeah, it was just, we were in Vegas, that was it. It was just like, yeah, I was. Are you talking about after the DDS? Yeah, okay, we were in Vegas a couple of years ago. Yeah, two thousand and one. And we went to a strip club, which I don't like going to after we'd finished the DDS. Oh, okay, yeah. And this girl came up to me and I was like, she's approaching, oh yeah, it's a strip club. That's what they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it throws you off, right? Oh, yeah. And this chick came up to me and she was tall and blonde. And she said, hello, and I said, oh, where are you from? And she said, I'm from Finland. And I said, oh, you're pretty tall for a Finnish girl. Because I had slept with one Finnish girl in my life and she just happened to be short. So in my mind, I was like, just in that moment, I was like, yeah, I know what people in Finland like and so I just went, yeah. And she said, if you've been to Finland, it's really very clear that we're actually very tall people. You're full of shit. And then she just turned and walked off and I went, yeah, that was quite a couple of years ago. And it was just one of those moments where I just suddenly went, yeah, I'm gonna be an asshole. And she was great, she just went, pin me. And I went, nope. And then I was like, maybe I can, yeah, okay. And whenever I even think of that to this day, that's one of those moments where I'm like, ugh. And I can't imagine what it's like to be a guy who has to do that every time you go and approach a girl. I go, hey, I got some bullshit for you. You're a stripper and you're every time you're approaching a guy. I thought you were gonna say completely something else where there was just one stripper that you really had a great thing with and she was really new and whatever. And then for some reason you ended up giving her your number and you're like, she's gonna call. And then she didn't call. And you were like, motherfucker, fucking stupid. Yeah, it was the same night. It was also the same night where we went there. Basically we were doing one of my summits and we all went to a strip club for fun. So it was also the same night where I walked in the strip club and right behind me was Ryan who only dates black girls. And I came up to this really hot black one and I was like, hey, what's going on? And I'm talking to her for a minute. It's going well. And he walks up to me. Sean, he goes, what are you doing? And I'm like, I'm talking to this girl. And he's like, yeah, but she's black. I'm like, you can't have all the black ones. He's like, yeah, all the black ones are mine. I'm like, well, I said, I said hi to her first. And he's like, yeah, but she's the only black one in here. And I'm like, all right, that's true. Anyway, so he, yeah. Maybe she'd walked off going, whoa. Yeah, and he just ruined it. But anyway, but he, he, he literally just, I was like everyone around, he was, he was livid. He was livid. He was British and he was up to it. He's like, I can't believe this. This is outrageous. She's like. Yeah, he only goes for black chicks. So. That was quite an eventful night. That was a fun night. What's the club in Vegas where you at that only had one? One black, I mean maybe, you know, like one or two, but there wasn't enough. Wasn't enough to make him happy. You could keep away. All right. So yeah, it's even, yeah, it's, and that's what I love about a good woman is that she will call you out on that kind of bullshit. And that's why, that's why one of the reasons I think seduction is such a, can be such an accelerated catalyst for personal change. Because when you're going up and presenting yourself and with an agenda, of course you have an agenda, which is I want to have sex with you or I want to get to know you. A woman who is in any way self aware will call you out on it. We'll, we'll, we'll reflect back to you what you're giving to her. And a lot of guys don't take that feedback. That if she's like, you're full of shit, like that girl, it would have been easy for me to go fucking. Fucking lesbian, stupid bitch. I know what's in your chicks to look. Cause that one moment, you know, that affected you. I'm sure like rejection happens all the time, but there's always that one that just, it's like, boom. And then it makes you see, you're like, fuck dude, why did I do it again or whatever? You know, it's just, it's- I think it's important to know the difference between some genuine feedback and some chick who's just fucked up and it's just being an asshole. Yeah, definitely. You know, some chicks are fucked up. Which actually does happen a lot in a strip club, but. Sure, sure, but that girl was just being straight with me and I appreciate it. But talking about funny stories, here's another good one about it. Sasha, what's a funny story? I'd like to make fun of James some more, if I could. Would that be good? What kind of story are you about? Yeah, come on, it's fine. So this is really funny. So we're talking about, yeah. So, directing Summit Berlin, this was quite good. This is the funniest moment in all of public seminar, of any recorded history of anything in any industry. James was on stage one day and he's just doing this thing, doing this rant. And he was telling this story about how you can't always be super direct with girls and he's got his girlfriend with him and he's like, well, I remember you know, when I met this girl here, you know, I just met her on the street corner if I had come up to her and said, hey, you're fucking sexy, I'd like to fucking bend you. You know, it wouldn't have worked. And she's like, no, that wouldn't work. So in that situation, definitely you just have to not, you can't be doing that stuff all the time. And then she just turns the audience and goes, yeah, and I was 17 at the time. And then everybody burst into laughter and then James just goes, oh, well, we didn't have sex until she was 18 and then she just goes. And then everybody just fucking pissed themselves because basically she honored him as a man who will hit on the younger chicks, which he is. And then I said, in any other industry, that would have been the end of my career. Right now you guys think it pretty cool. All right, carrying on. Now the thing about seduction is- They just went on from there, but there was about a two minute laughing break. They loved it. I think that was quite good. Yeah. I don't know, man. I was like, if that's the worst that you- That's the worst he's allowed to talk about. That's the worst I'm allowed to talk about. Yeah, yeah, there's other things. Right now, right now- I mean, James was punching distance and he did kung fu for a long time, so I really can't go- I've been electro-detached to his testicle right now with a little buzzer and much- Just be careful. Be hard, man. If I had that on my balls, I'd be telling you to press it. In other news, I've convinced James to come to India with me. James has a really bad history with India. I don't know if you wanna- Let's just say- Well, when I was, yes, when I was 18, I went to India and got involved with very charming jewelry mafia who kidnapped me, held me to ransom, and I didn't even know about it. That's how good they were. I was held to ransom without my knowledge. I was having a great time. They were taking me to parties and- Really? So then they were telling like a family or whatever? They called my father and said, sir, we have your son and we will kill him. Please send us $50,000. No. And meanwhile, I'm there like on smoking like, OPM and like, partying with his Indians. I was like waiting for this dramatic story of like, I was tied up. I was having a great time. No, I didn't realize it all. But then at some point, I did realize when- They didn't let you go. And then they fucked him over even more. Yeah, they got me on every single angle. Anyway, it was a very traumatic experience when I got home. I decided I will never go to India again because that wasn't very fun. All right. And then I hear that he like, Sasha's like, we're gonna go to India. I'm like, that sounds like a really bad idea. No, it's gonna be great. We're gonna like take big groups of like dudes and like run down the streets and like get them to approach girls. And that sounds like a really bad idea. I'm definitely not gonna do that. I can't wait to see the video of that. Well, here's the thing. As it happens, I have a, I don't know why, but I have a huge fan base in India. They're email me, they can't get laid. They're so repressed. They're like, please come to India. And finally I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go. I'm not gonna do boot camps in every city, but I'll do some talks and help as much as I can. And I'll do one for guys who want to come. And then James is of course realizing this is gonna be really fucking hilarious and they're gonna be filming the whole thing. And finally yesterday I broke them down. He's like, all right, I'll come up for a week. So they're coming to India. You're going on like a massive tour. So you're going to like four or five cities. Five cities, five cities, yeah. But it's gonna be great for me because part of my journey, which we didn't really talk about yet, but can't squeeze it all into one podcast. But I've been getting- Why don't you tell us about your journey? All right, sure. So I've been going really down the spiritual path. So I've been reading life changing books like conversations with God and other stuff. And it's funny because I've always been really against religion because I see it as brainwashing. I think if you're, my view has always been if you're under 18 years old and you definitely have a religion and you've been on James Marshall, that means you like men from Australia who do funny dances and fart secretly. No, different joke that people don't know. But anyway, the point is, what was the point? What was I saying? I had a conversation with God. So basically I always hated religion. And my view was always like, if you're a kid, if you have a child and you've told them what religion to have and they're like, yeah, I'm definitely this religion, that's brainwashing. You shouldn't be doing that because they didn't make that choice. I think every child should literally given all the options of all the religions and said, hey, here's all the religions that exist including atheism and everything else. And whichever one of these you wanna follow, you can't or none until they're 18. And if you try and influence that child, otherwise you should go to jail because you're brainwashing your kid. That's always been my view. That sounds like some crazy religion. And I was so, it's for the better, it's for the good of man. This is really good. And I was always really against all that shit. And then finally, eventually I got into spiritual which is just like, you know, just that we're all part of this greater energy and it's all beautiful. And I've just been going down this path and I've had completely ridiculous, crazy stories and experiences happening to me that are so, so like so crazy. If you're not already tapped into this, you'd think I was insane. And I actually went and started a spiritual blog which I guess I can plug, ZoolAwakens.com because it's just, it's more than most people will be able to fucking get into. But yeah, it's been beautiful. And I've realized of course that we're all one and you know, there's no death and you know, I've done some crazy shit with this guy. I've seen him die actually. Yeah, we, I mean, so far we've had some crazy, we went and did a ayahuasca. We did like 10 days, four ceremonies over 10 days I think it was. In Peru. In Peru and it's just, it's a spiritual plant medicine if people don't know about it but it's fucking horrific and brutal and just beautiful all at one, all in one. And so I've just been going down that path and I think everyone at some point is gonna go further. Cause I think, and again, I think, I think seduction really leads to it because again, seduction forces you to deal with the basic stuff. Who am I? My sexual attention, what I can do, who I am as a man. All that stuff is awesome and it'll help you, you know, hook up with chicks and get better with people, but what's next? And there's always a next level of development. I'm sure you know that because, you know, you've been fucking doing this for a really long time as well. And so is James. So, and I, so I think naturally this will lead to spiritual stuff at some point and I really believe that everybody out there at some point is gonna start to think why am I on this planet? What happens after we, you know, all this stuff comes up at some point. I think it's good. I think it's good. I think it's good. There's tantric sex, which literally when you're, when you're in that peak with somebody and you're, you're prolonging that orgasm where literally you can become one with them and be kind of, I want you to do this for us Sasha. I don't think that would be appropriate to do anything. We're out of, we're out of time, but could you tell us about our sponsor? Oh yeah, guys, we're gonna do a quick break and we just want to thank our sponsor, Chlamydia, so we'll be right back. And quite quiet and just, he was just very good at the, you know, sexual pressure and the tent, but he had a really big time that something like that. So crazy, if you're not already, more understanding of your mortality. And so that was a big thing. For us, they're becoming normal again. That are already kind of being documented. Yeah, we are, and make money at it. So why wouldn't I do that? So, so same thing, getting my book out, got a couple of products lined up. And as I came more into kind of loving me and accepting who I am and just being okay with myself. Don't you just be careful, I can't take it. If I had that on my balls, I'd be telling you you're pressing. I was in London and was madly in love with this girl. Like just completely head over heels and like this, the girl for me was crazy. And then I meet this guy and we have this great thing and we're just like, wow, this could be so much fun. What we're gonna do and whatever.