 George Bruno with the 21 report. We're at the 21 convention the final event of the decade, and I'm talking with Hunter Drew welcome Thanks for having me. Yeah, you talked about the consequences of choice. Yes, I give us some of those highlights It's basically bringing up to all the men in the audience and all those we're gonna see the video that when you make a decision You own what follows that decision, you know And a lot of guys want to make a call and not deal with the aftermath of it They want somebody else to make the call for them not realizing by following somebody else's decisions You're gonna suffer the consequences out of the way Reminds me of something the old folks used to say, you know, if you make your bed you got to sleep in it Yeah, I think that needs to make resurgence. We need to have that coming back for everybody Yeah, it's getting a little saying in there especially with online everything we have going on people hiding behind names Yeah, they're saying and doing things online. They wouldn't do in person Right thinking that I don't have to suffer the court the consequences of that right But your mind knows what you're doing. It knows if you're lying and it knows you're going out and you know putting on a persona. Sure Had to be addressed. Wow What is the Solution for this So to me, it's real-world accountability Men needs are meeting up with other men and you're gonna find yourself especially in groups like this It doesn't have to be the 21 convention. It could be men at your church, you know, you think you can lead go lead You think you're in shape go lift with them be held accountable You know, and then you'll find the consequences of that So If a guy says I'm gonna go to the gym at six o'clock Join me and the other guy is like what I don't get up till seven It's like dude set the alarm Get your lazy ass in the gym I'll be calling you until you show up or I'll show up in your driveway. I mean just literally Making someone be accountable and if you look on the other side of that, too If you do go to the gym and they're like, well, I'm not gonna go. Okay, I'll go without you And now when you're in better shape than them the consequences are they kept the weight on while you lost it Yeah, and now their friend is looking better than them at the gym. Are you at the beach or wherever they go? Yeah, that's a consequence. You decided to sleep in. Yeah, exactly. Why is that important for men? I think we're at a point now where the struggle that men are having is that there's no Mission or purpose at all because there's nobody there is saying Hey, you have to do a thing if you want to get the life you feel you deserve You know, they're like, well, if I don't make a decision, I don't have any consequences good or bad But that's just existing. That's not living and that's why we're having all these men with these crises They don't know who they are. There's no sense of identity. Nobody's holding them to the flame So we've got to start implementing that they've got to start meeting up They've got to start being held accountable and owning the consequences that come for the choices. They're making In all my years have never Heard women talk about being accountable calling each other being accountable That's a real male thing, isn't it? Never experienced that with my ex-wife anyone making her accountable for anything It's all your job. Yeah Thinking about it. I'm like, well my daughter in life. I think that's me. Yeah, right, right What do you think is the future of the minister? I'm gonna ask you you asked everyone There's a good question. I'm kind of glad I got to dodge it I'm gonna have to agree with what a lot of the speaker said and that is These smaller groups that are meeting up offline. There are people that you've probably known on Twitter. Let's say for three years Shoot the DM, you know, hey, we'd like to meet up. I know you're here or maybe I'm going on business trip You know for myself inside the fraternity of excellence We meet up because if you're to ban me off Twitter if you're to remove me from our the fraternity platform These men are in my cell phone. I can you're not going to take my phone from me So I can still reach out. I can still maintain my network I can still spread the message through their means if necessary, you know, and that's that's the future You know, we keep we're not going to continue to be able to live this this an a non Twitter Zero accountability lifestyle where you can say whatever you want and not be helped like there. There are men out there Who if you said what you're saying online to them would punch you in the face? Sure and now we need to see that happening We need to see these tribes coming together because then you learn Oh, this is how I speak to a man And I'm not going to say this craziness because I'll get sucked in the mouth Yeah, you know what I think if we can start developing that you'll see a much healthier You know pro male positive masculine movement come from this because the men can't run their mouth online because they know They've got their tribe to go back to You know what you're talking about because you are part of an organization and you started this called the fraternity of excellence Tell us about that So that is that is my tribe. That is where I go What you see on Twitter is what I live you to see what inside fraternity of excellence is me sharing myself with men Who I know hold themselves accountable and to a standard and it's interesting. We have a lot of guys here and While there are ten of us meeting here, you know, these men meet up every single week Different parts of the country. They're coming together and while we have our behind closed doors online And I was explaining this on my in my speech and the red man group is I thought that was gonna be the pinnacle I thought men coming together kind of like the forums that we have, you know Private chat groups that we have. I was like, that's really cool. Let's do that But then a picture came out of a few guys going to dinner And then another picture of a few more guys going to dinner and all of a sudden people Overseas we got guys in Europe meeting up and having these little get-togethers And you know that a lot of men don't have friends They don't have men they can call like if I'm in trouble like hey George, you would answer the phone Too many don't have that. Yeah, and that's sad and that's what we're trying to build and if it's not the fraternity of excellence There's other groups and again, you can forge that in your church in your at your kids school Get the other parents on board like hey guys, we're gonna get together and do things with the kids Whatever it is. So FOM I'm a little biased, but it's a good one. Yeah What is scope? How far does it reach? Do you have European guys in it? We yeah, we've got guys England, Scotland, Australia I think Jordan We got guys everywhere Canada, Mexico all over US. Do you think you'll be going to Poland next summer? So that I missed it this year because of F. O. E. So we're trying to Make sure the dates don't complete. Yes, 100% it would be it'd be great to go there and kind of Start something in Poland You know get there. It's like you're reading my mind. That's what exactly we're planning on doing Nailed down a foe chapel right there and yeah, we're actually the ten guys We're staying the day after this event so we can all just come together and go do our thing You know go around the town. Yeah, but it's one of those where you get it where you can because we all have busy lives You know, so it's one of those things where you got to make it happen Talk about it. You're doing it. You're making it work, you know, you're you're walking the talk In 2017 we had to talk about what we're doing is like I'm trying to build a group of guys I'm trying to go get some camaraderie and brother. Yeah, you know after leaving the military. I didn't have that. Yeah, and then Here we are three four years later. You know, whoa. Yeah What is your observation about the 21 convention how it has evolved it definitely made a pivot. There's a change How do you feel about the change it you've got to cut off dead ends You've got to cut off anchors and find fuel What we did is we removed anchors that were holding men back and we brought new fuel in that are moving this board You saw the diversification in that red man group We we I unreal I was surrounded I honestly felt so I didn't want to speak because I wanted to listen to what everybody had to say Yeah, and we had Pat Stedman Stefan Malin you Those guys coming on we hadn't repeats, you know Ed we brought Phil Foster on there Yeah, you know these different names and these men are seeing these different perspectives and realizing like wow, there's not There's many different cups, you know, that's a cup But there are many and you know, you don't have to look like that Yeah, look like whatever you want to do as long as that's what you own and again the consequences come from the decisions you make Yeah, we come that cup. I said a couple days ago to fill. I said help. I see on stage soon After we had that talk Anthony pulled me aside and I was like, hey, I really you're gonna like this guy You've seen him on red man group patriarchs. Yeah, why I'm getting on the stage now It's one of my favorite episodes. I think he was on what made me he's been on what made me three shows I guess and I forget which one it was It wasn't I know I was on one with him But it was one of the ones that I wasn't on and it was Unbelievable I go back to that one and he was on fire There was one episode where he just was like wow. He just really Put a stake in the ground He was real and I think he showed you know something I've noticed from this 21 convention above all else is that the terms that are being used I've heard a lot about beauty A lot about creation a lot of art, you know, we talk about the pivot Reflective on everything we've done, you know, it's become a It we want it to be to be viewed as what it is and we got to stop hiding from the terms And when Phil went on there that there is a thing of beauty there. He showed heart He showed raw emotion that and it was real and it was not some fabricated, you know Rage like this was a real man sharing real thoughts. Yeah, and it was a beautiful thing Yeah, and I was noticing that the men speaking this year They're talking about that like real things that actually matter and human beings and not you know again the character like that's gone. Yeah Yeah, that's amazing So we have a 22 convention coming up pretty controversial a Convention for women taught by men What do you think about that? You know, I've asked a few guys that exact question. Yeah, and all of us are the same. We don't know Yeah, you know, I I think it's going to be great I think if the right angle there are couples that want to find that that spark to bring them back You know, maybe he's slipping with leadership. Maybe she's slipping with you know her duties to to the family You know, maybe something like this is that exact catalyst that we can reach those couples like look you can both go and This isn't a case where we've got AJ Cortez who's gonna like woo your wife like no no That's not what this is about. Yeah, this is a man coming to help your wife or your woman or a woman You know become at the best version for them to go get that family if they don't have it Better provide to their family. So my angle on this You know, I'll be at the patriarchs speaking to the men and then I'll be speaking at 22 where I'll be telling them Like how how did I get to this point with my wife? Like what did she do and how can that be replicated? Yeah, and it's not simply the actions It's the mindset. What is the mindset of my woman? You know, what am I passing to my daughter and if I give that to them to take it's just more tools in their toolbox Maybe things they didn't think of because they're not men Some big changes happened a lot of us started In 2017 a lot of us met in 2017 that is there that at the end of that year and Some things really started churning at that point Bonds and even some bonds broken that we've experienced in the past year some Gladly some regrettably and I know a lot of us Felt like we had to take sides. It was hard. I think it was hard for a lot of people. You know, it wasn't You know, I don't think it was easy for anyone Maybe for a couple people who was easy, but for a lot of people I think it was difficult as We are backing away and getting more of a aerial view of what happened How did men do Get get man a report card. We we did not do our best, you know, I would give us a D Yeah, I think we emotions ran high, you know, I found myself in a very Tough spot and I was open with you guys I started with a certain group that first came in that's where I started You know the whole red pill forum all those guys. Yeah, that's where I began everything Those were my original then I found 21 com and then there was just like that that smash Yeah, and I'm like, I know this guy I'm friends, but he's wrong and then 21 con is doing it right It's it's the solution and I can't I Can't put a personal, you know relationship ahead of what's right for our cause Yeah, and it's about the cause at the end of the day It's about helping men and I think in the the fallout I think we're people are just swinging and some faces got hit that were on the fence So be it that's part of the growing pains Yeah, but I also think we learned quite a bit about ourselves And I think that's the only reason that the message that was able to spin now is because the way Anthony conducted himself With staying to the cause, you know, and all of us are sitting flying around them You know, we all said our piece, you know, and it was conflicted Oh, I'll give us an A plus in that point Yeah, is that a lot of this was handled behind closed doors and in that point That's definitely an A because as men you not everything has to be on the public You know, it's good to go ahead and close the door throw some blows open the door Your friends again It's weird when you know someone is calling you brother One day in the two weeks later, they're calling you asshole and that was real hard for me to deal with You know, how's it going brother? Oh good brother, and then you know, literally two weeks later It's like even it was like three days, you know, and it was like we just high-fived and now you're trying to punch me like yeah, I So what is the prescription for the future? How do we handle conflict in the future as men and and kind of Apply that to all men Regarding all conflict in the future You the conflict is the idea not the man So if you have a problem with my idea, you don't come after me or target my family You target my idea and the same for you. I don't target you. What it is you're doing Where it is you're going I target that the issue I have a conflict with it when men all men in any conflict You're not fighting the guy as much as you're fighting the idea if you are fighting the guy That doesn't happen on Twitter that happens in the real world if that's the point you're at and you need to swing you meet up But to have these little internet battles like it's almost like we're losing what conflict is conflict is to lead to resolution Yeah, online. There's no consequences, which is what I hate. So you can't punch me I'm gonna say what I want for months and months and months That's if you guys had your fight on day three, you know, if we all went and just look boom settle our score that ends in Yeah, well, we just went full circle back to the consequences of choice Wow, yeah How was how was the way that we deal with conflict different than how women deal with conflict? Have you ever seen a cat fight online? They're vicious. Yeah, and they'll hold grudges too. Yeah men. We kind of know A lot of men know what violence feels like. Yeah, either be throwing or be receiving Yeah, so you kind of push it off until it has to happen. Sure, but when it happens, it's over Yeah, so for them, it's it's nasty and it's long or maybe it'll be prolonged But when it hits the apex, right, it's instant. It's done, right? I don't I don't believe in grudges Like I like you or I don't like you. There's no grudge about you. Just that's just how it is. Yeah, I Joke around and I say, you know, I used to I used to hold grudges You know for about four minutes now, and I'm doing good now because I'm the hold them for about three minutes now progress so There's progress. Absolutely Are grudges healthy? Do they give us a breather a timeout do they keep us out of the ring Until the smoke clears Grudges not so much. I think lessons 100 100% Like a holding on to a grudge. Well, you just you're better and you're still angry about the thing Let the thing go but the person who conducted the thing, you know, they're done. They're dead. Yeah Like there are people who are they mean nothing to me Because I'm not gonna hold a grudge against you. You don't you don't matter. There's no space in my head for you to rent. Yeah I hear once it was like something about anger. It's like you said anger is like You you swallowing the poison and expecting the other person to die. Yeah Yeah, I'm done swallowing poison And it's one of those this it's you have to learn it like it's a lesson learned. Yeah, because for myself the same thing There are times where I'm like Fuming yeah, and then I'm like going to see the family. Yeah, I'm like why am I shouldn't be mad at my dinner table because I saw a tweet Yeah, I shouldn't be mad, you know or Irritable or short with my kids. Yeah, because some dude doesn't like me online and he's running his mouth Yeah, I'm like, I got it. It's time to block. Yeah, let's move on. It's weird. This didn't exist before social media did it. No It's weird. I think that's why uh, we are Moving offline with groups like this what you're talking about. It just keeps it real, doesn't it? It I don't think we even know what social media is doing to us. We've not had we've not had it long enough Yeah to to see the effects. Yeah, I mean You couldn't be anonymous, right, you know, maybe a pen name like back when you were in for the newspaper But yeah, couldn't be anonymous in the real world. Sure now There are men that other men are following that they've never seen Yeah, there are men that other men are following that you don't know anything about their life Right because they spend all their time just talking about issues and talking about problems and waking up Like you said, right waking up finding out what's wrong with the world, right and these other men follow them Yeah, how do you that's not a man. Yeah, that's just a character Who's just playing the chord because he knows it's going to keep you in a state of perpetual anger That's not a way to live That's why the 21 con you sit you see me Yeah, you you can see my mannerisms the way I act my my success my failures all those things And then the other men see that as well. You're a real man You know, you've shared plenty adding the how many videos you have but you've shared your thoughts on many topics And men see that and that's a real man. That's why when people go after you or your information I'm like, you're a man being targeted by this cartoon character Yeah By a little coat of arms An anime character. It's just it blows my mind. I think there's a sense of duty and honor inside my head that it's just It's fundamentally wrong. Yeah, it's weird. It's very weird Definitely, I make guys this weekend that are that have like a coat of arms or something It's like they're they're a little profile picture And they're and they're like, you know, oh, I'm so and so and I'm like, oh, okay All right, so you're the guy that's been commenting. I'm like, okay. I get it and that was like that was weird Seeing a face of someone who has been commenting on my stuff for two years Like, oh, I expected it to look different. You know, it's always like you build them up to like this is what you look like in my head Yeah, exactly What a trip. So how do we end the decade here? We're laying it to rest I was speaking to anthony about this. We lay it down like champions. We've done some great work So I think we get a brief rest period. We're gonna wrap this one up You know when I go home, I'm hanging out until February was our next fraternity meet-up between now and then I'm I'm disengaging from a lot of online activity. Yeah, and just a lot more rating. Yeah more for me hanging out, you know 2020 is going to be great You know, it's going to be amazing and I know there's a lot going on in 2020 But it's going to be absolutely the I think the the launching pad of some amazing things coming down the pipeline Yeah, how's the morning show going? It's awesome. Thank you for asking Like I really enjoyed it when I first started I was talking to you about it Tell everybody about it. It's the morning brew with hunter drew so monday wednesday friday I go on the time has kind of been changing because of guests all over the place But usually it's 08 to 09 eastern standard time And it's my show and I talk about what I want to talk about and you're not going to hear anything about Intersexual dynamics because I don't want to talk about that. You're not going to hear Alphabet of whatever tells I don't want to talk about it. You're going to hear men come on talking about Manly Experiences and their perspectives and things they've gone through in life I had a man come on who's a father and he realized he was getting pulled into the twitter world So he quit twitter. What's that like? I I feel like I spent too much time in there, but I can't quit it Great discussion men like phil foster other men inside the fraternity, you know, they come on and they share real life things Not not this made up theories These are real things we're dealing with and I think that I'm really enjoying that content Yeah, yeah, it's a good show And I can't wait till you are compelled to do it five days a week I've considered it. It really is. It's a great show and The fact that it's not Intergender dynamics Is what makes it attractive to me It's real, you know, like that's not real people don't wake up constantly think about that 24 seven that is unhealthy Some do You're you're correct. Some do. They should yeah, and they should Yeah Well, I think I think uh, how long you've been doing it now A few months. Yeah And why morning as opposed to night or afternoon? Was there any reason why you chose morning? You know, I coach baseball. So my evenings are always swamped with that. Okay. So logistics will say morning. Okay I also I really enjoy the way you run your show. I thought it was cool to start I watched like a lot of yours before I ever ran mine And it's I thought it was cool to start my day like that I'm cruising to work and I wouldn't watch I would just listen and you talk about whatever your topic was that day But I was like that's that's much better than listening to the radio, you know when I start my day I'm I'm focused at a great discussion with the man radio anymore No, I mean just I just picked my favorite content creator or content creators and I just start listening And while you're listening you kind of have a conversation with the person Yeah, so I've had thousands of conversations with you that you don't even know about Yeah, because I'm just in the car listening. Oh, yeah, that's and then all of a sudden your brain's working It's firing. Yeah, you know and people don't know how to converse anymore. Yeah, they have a hard time just sitting and doing this Yeah, what about you have shared a stage with people who've been called radicals and Supremacists and misogynists and all, you know, like just pick a word. Okay And uh, I don't know someone said to me at patriarch I'm unsubscribing because you associated with Mike Cernovich Okay See you know, God bless you. Thanks for letting me know, you know, whatever and then like the next email was I'm subscribing because you associate with Mike Cernovich like yeah, wow, I didn't know you guys knew each and I'm like This world is just way too weird It truly is like you can you can lose I remember I mean because when I originally started my channel was men's grooming And I had a big giant beard. I shaved the beard and lost 5,000 people in one day like Your audience they only like you for that. Yeah, it was the audience is fickle sometimes. It's just like really weird and My brother, Tony and I we we love saying this everyone's cool until they're not Yeah, you know that can happen fast real fast real fast And you never know what's going to attract somebody you never know what top you might think The topic that you're going to talk about on your show No one will relate to it. You'd be surprised you put out some Far-out topic and someone's going to email you and say Wow, man, you know, I was ready to cash it in and and tuned into you by accident and like Yeah That happens a lot. All right, so you're out in a shed. Yeah, you're one of the I'm shed life, man It's awesome. Absolutely. We got we got to do the hashtag or something. We can make it a thing I mean honestly, I I did it because I smoke a pipe and I don't smoke a pipe in the house because I don't want to like gag anyone and So I go out in the shed and smoke a pipe And then I just started putting the tripod up in the shed That's the shed and then you know and it just became like a thing and people don't realize I mean literally it's it's a It's one of them pre-built sheds that comes on a flat bed and they dump it off in your backyard and half of its garden tools and Gas cans and stuff the other half. It's a real shed. Yeah The other half is a two chairs some shelves and a light and an oil lamp and in a propane heater and uh, you know, I gave it a name I named it and People are hashtagging it somebody I don't know geotagged it It's like It's it's trippy and it has become a thing And as I have talked about moving because I'm thinking about moving And they're like, are you gonna have a van go room at your new place? I'm like, oh gee. I never really thought about that, you know Sheds Man cave. I don't like man cave. I'm not into that man cave thing. But what is it about a shed? As opposed to just setting it up in your basement or living room or something. What's the So it obviously depends on the needs for me I spent two years in the corner of my bedroom With my my laptop and the camera and the lights three-point lighting system Like I was always afraid that family would come by and think like we made porn Because my whole setup is in our bedroom. Yeah guys. That's now what I'm doing. Yeah, right So I was like I really like I would do podcasts And you'd hear the kids running by or my what we do late a red man group And those can relate so that could be like 11 a.m And my wife can't go to bed. Yeah, because I'm in there chatting away Right, so I needed my own space and even if I went to the basement You know, you can hear people moving around and my family shouldn't have to not live in their home and be comfortable in their home Because I'm sitting there making something but for two years they did and I like I'll always appreciate that But I was like I need my space babe. So what I did is same thing I went to Lowe's and it was our Home Depot. It was one of the exterior finished interior unfinished We bought that they dropped it off. I finished it. I ran power and did it come all pre-built like the exterior Yeah, so the walls were up and I windows but on the inside there was nothing Yeah, so I got to build that the way I wanted to which is cool. Nice, but I've got two dedicated breakers to it It's like a small house. Yeah, it's your bathroom Nice You'd never have to leave. Oh, exactly. Well, you need to use a refrigerator now in a hot place Coffee, you know, a coffee maker in there and you're all set. Absolutely Well, you know and some people would say uh, and I've heard the criticisms I have heard them personally like, oh, you know, you got kicked out of your house like No one should be kicking you out of your I'm like I want to do it I received the same and I could not understand it. I'm like, I I'm happy. I have a silenced dedicated creator studio You're not in the house. I don't want to be in the house You know, like I understand man cave because it has the connotation that you You got put into one spot and that's all you're allowed to have by the way But if it's your decision to go like I want this not in my living room like we were saying earlier I want in the basement. I'm gonna design it the way I want it Oh, call it whatever you want, but that's your space. It's your house. You know, you're doing your thing That's cool. It's your choice. I got a shed. Most man caves are like have a bar, you know, like a little mini fridge Home theater seats that kind of stuff and they're entertainment places It seems like our Sheds are productivity places Yeah, I don't really relax in there. I do. I guess the relaxation I find from work Yeah, you know, I enjoy editing podcasts. It's like a weird thing in audacity. I'm just like cleaning up the audio Yeah, but I I truly That is where I'm I go in there to work. Yeah, I'm writing or I'm not in there Have you inspired anyone else to get a shed? I yeah, we might be able to make it a thing. Yeah. It's like hashtag shed life There really is something to it. I mean when you think about it, I mean if you had to Create a studio I mean it could cost a lot of money, you know and just getting a shed At Lowe's or Home Depot. It was cheap, you know, I mean, they're great people don't realize that You can do a lot in a shed I know I know you can podcast them right for sure Have you given it a name? I when you said that I decided to name it. So I just named it Shelby. It's Shelby the shed. Cool It's after my first dog. Cool. Now. Is it your space? Yeah, nobody goes in there. All right So kids like field hockey equipment is not in there and negative, you know The wife doesn't put like, you know, the summer lawn furniture in there, you know in the fall So we have we actually have a backup shed There's a bunch of sheds in my property. That's great. That's great So we've got a shed that has all the tools and all that stuff. Right. We've got the creator shed. Yeah I'm thinking I'll get another one just like have a bunch of sheds connected to each other Yeah, they do like those containers. Yeah, I feel like a whole shed compound. Oh my gosh Some of the ladies where I work Watch my show they kind of get what I'm doing And one woman said I want a shed That's where it's at. Yeah. Hashtag shed life. Yeah, absolutely That's so funny What is the future of FOE? We are we're on a really good track We've got our second official meetup this February. We're up to two a year The numbers are growing the was that the one that you did During the the poland that was our first one the first. Okay So those lined up unfortunately, you know, I was really looking forward to going but FOE is my tribe Priorities are that's your baby, man. So yeah, this next one's going to be in florida We've got a pretty cool space that we're going to be going to a bunch of obstacles a bunch of challenges for the men And we try to make it a crucible. So the you land Shake hands meet the next morning. We're getting work done and we're going through something last time we climbed to 14,000 foot mountains in colorado and we followed that up the next day with we had Praetorian swift come out He did a bunch of firearms training with all the guys at the end of that they were like best friends Because they went through a struggle together. They learned something together every night. We feasted together and we'll be doing that again and The the caliber of men in there We we kick out the men that don't do work. You know, it's it's not about money I want you to represent me. So every man here represents my group If one of them is getting drunk or doing stupid things or picking fights Sure And I say, oh that's an foe guy and I like, oh, that's foe A bunch of like drunk clowns or a bunch of like, you know angry dudes Like you ruin it. So go away. I don't want that. I want men who are doing work, you know, whatever it is We've got single divorce young old. I mean As long as you're a man doing work. We want you interesting interesting What shed life hashtag shed life. That's all I can say A conversation with hunter drew. Thank you. Thank you for having me What was your experience so far with the 21 convention? Oh, I was dead. I was dead Professional all across the board really good energy with a lot of people and uh, I just like because it's a very positive positive direction This uh, George, this is this has been a first-class event. It's fantastic. You guys run a really tight ship I've been to a lot of conventions over the course of my business career And I can tell when things are well run and when things aren't and this is a very well run operation I was very impressed. It's pretty incredible to see where anthony's brought it Especially from last year, which was my first year here and to see the upgrades he's made. It's been incredible I've got my notebook and with every speaker. I've written down about two or three lines Under each of the speakers of just just the key prime stuff that I got. That's good. That's good. It's very surreal I'm really enjoying it. I'm happy to live in such an era Where such a thing like this is possible I have never seen a group of guys like this a group of 200 men were focused Squared away and working on their values just never met a bigger group of wonderful guys It's kind of neat because I've been to a fair amount of conventions in my day But you never see one where the guys like here you can just see ed latimore talking to tanner about boxing Yeah, you just sit down and then you tell your boxing experiences. Everybody's kind of pinging off each other. It's nice It has been fantastic And it's been four days of guys all on the same page working in the same direction fascinating meaning some of the people Hearing their stories. Yep. You got people traveling from other parts of the world to come here just to see Yeah, some of the speakers. That's amazing. The thing is impressed me. Everybody here is very serious Yeah, they're taking it, you know, close to their heart What a great convention. Thanks, george