 Waseel on the breakfast and plus TV Africa. Thank you so much for joining us and open a bar on Kataria joins us this morning for off the press. Open the boys, good to have you join us. Good morning. Good morning, Waseel, but who are you seeing us? Okay, I'm sure that team of engineers are working on resolving all of that in no time. All of that would be taken care of. Thank you so much for your feedback. Well, let's delve into the conversation. Starting off with the Daily Trust newspaper, repulsed over obese religious war, phone conversation with Oyo de Poe. That's one major conversation or one major topic that has been dominating the social media space, especially on Twitter. It hasn't been quite easy. Then underneath you find leaked audio authentic. That's what the label party is quoted to say. Leaked audio authentic, label party it's fake, says, oh be dahti media office. I mean, there seem to be a discrepancy, you know, with the statement. I never campaigned for politicians leaving faith Bishop Oyo de Poe is quoted to say. Presidential, obese presidential ambition dead, Tunubu's camp is quoted to say. What could be the reason for this statement? We're studying the situation, Khan and all the bodies are saying. Weaponizing religion, very dangerous. Khalid Namaani, Professor Kari, this is a persons who are quoted to say all of this on any other caption. Now over 80,000 Nigerians require hats, surgeries every year, that's according to experts. That's unfortunate. Bandits kill seven farmers at block 26 in Niger and pick two students at Vassity Hostel in Zamfra. And you find the FCTA sends 217 beggars back to Katsina and Kano Kaby State among orders. Then just before move away, the four are over Kano Governor-elect's public adversaries. 133 billion hangers to give away for MMIA apron expansion. Post-election violence, police arrest, 17 more suspects in Zamfra. There's a lot going on as the federal government deploys 12 billion-hour fire trucks to Lagos, Kano, Abuja and, yes, Abuja airports. Now that's also commendable if you ask me. The Guardian not reporting some story differently from what you have on the daily trust now. The Guardian says, obese leaked phone call with Oyo-Dekpo raises the dust and Oyo, leaked audio on OB, Oyo-Dekpo, deep fake. That's what the labor campaign is saying. Okoa, audio taken out of context and obese spokesman blames NCC for leaked call. You know, because for every call that we have, there's usually this thing even on WhatsApp where you say, hey, the conversation is encrypted back to back. I mean, at what point do you have that call being leaked and what have you? So we continue, right? I have never campaigned for any politician, says Oyo-Dekpo, Nnamani, OB introduced religion, ethnic politics, so quite, that's what's making the rounds now. 28 women die daily for severe cancer in Nigeria. Investors gain 2.54 trillionaire in first quarters market, denims political rigs. How on the funding abuse and master plan in universities and polytechnics. Now we'll just move away from that. There's also a picture of the pope where he celebrates Palm Sunday and mass after hospitals stay and defends the abandoned. That's a lot. Then we move away from that. The punch is also with us, but the punch is reporting differently from the two papers we have taken. The punch says, end of tenure, Buhari Obasan Jor, of Sibar Jor, I beg your pardon, 28 governors, ministers to begin asset declaration, just as it was expected that you declare your asset when you come on board and declare after you're leaving. Outgoing public office holders must declare assets by May 29th, as according to CB officials, President-elect Tunubu Shatima, 28 incoming governors, get CCB forms this month. So what you have, what you had and what you are going to have at the end of tenure is very important. Now, Chinese loan increases by 209% on the Buhari. Then federal government demolish Lagos Airport's jet hangars April the 15th. That's another time to reckon with. Ramadan, why the aged maybe may abstain from fasting. I think it's important to pay attention to that. 22-year-old Ogun Lady found dead in room, boyfriend held, that's also not a sad story. And tanker fire worsens as Lagos Ibarra de Nespres we had our experience agreed log. And just quickly we'll just take a look at this one. It is the leadership newspaper. I'm not sure we have that then. We'll just quickly just stay with the nation there. The nation newspaper talks about governors and FIU on collision, cause of a cash withdrawal. That's talking about governance and local government at the end of the day. Then why PDP's neck, BOT governors can't save IU. Investors made 1.6 trillion dollar gains in the first quarter. That's it this morning on the nation newspaper. We'll just quickly turn our attention down to our guests. Qatariah, can you hear me? Open up on Qatariah, can you hear? Okay, yes, please. Now it's good to have you in vision now. So quickly, what do you make of this? I'm sure that you've probably had that conversation that was leaked, the conversation between Pitao B and of course, Oya Depo. Some quarters are saying that that's fake and others are saying it's true. What are your thoughts? My first good morning, my dears. I will not sit down here to ascertain the truth of the rest of the Pohri families of that state, you know. However, the political parties involved, I'm talking of OB and that we have come up, we didn't really have come up to deny it. They said no such conversation took place. Nevertheless, it is incumbent on the SSS or DSS which right now is sent to the parties. But it's incumbent on the SSS to investigate and come up with a report. And the report should be in such a way that we'll convince Nigeria whether they had such a conversation or not. That is life of the DSS. They will hope that whichever of them is you arriving at that situation will be transparent. So that might be because a lot of people with me that OB is just being haunted. And the matter fact that after the declaration of resolve, the last controversial election, the most controversial presidential election, and OB's resolve to oppose the court, that the best way is to hunt in order to intimidate that to the general perception. And maybe also that was happening to a passenger and OB there, how he was whisked away from the plane. So a lot of people don't have the impugned the veracity of that report that is lit. And also, when the DSS or when they investigate, it should be against the background. I hope it's not investigating the dictated version of the discussion. I have to take for example, I can say, someone can say, I found Messi in a hotel. Wait a minute, four different men. Messi is a compromised person. I don't want to use the word, I believe you know what that means. Messi is a compromised person. Because I saw four different men in the hotel. Then I now come up to say, ah, that guy, then she is this. If she did it, then she is this. Now if I get addicted to say, she is this. Meanwhile, they have explained that if she did it, which comes with a doubt. So, so many things can happen in this age. So they have to let Nigerians know. And that's why I say they have to be as transparent as possible. They have to doubt one aspect of it. Then number two, you see, in the Administration of Justice, you don't take therapy. We have a sadistic deputy governor in the North. Who in the mosque said, even in Washington, when he told the Muslims that, look, this, if they allow Obito win, then they have all that part of those that fought for the defeat of peace. That it was a religious war. It was something that to government. Now you're going to say, he has a minute. I hope he will prosecute him. Don't also forget what Antio Luma and Co. said in Lagos, in the election. And this, in the case of Oluma, in the case of the president-elect Swai, well, Antio Luma, who said, you cannot, they both cannot come to Lagos, make money and do the different things. That is also a sin there. That is also a contribution of the constitution. Why should not be arrested? She doesn't have a wing to pick. So you don't select the mission of justice. Don't try to pick. And that is our worry. While we are not going to sit down here, they have come up to the bottom. No, we never accept that. So while we are not going to sit down here, to prejudge and also encourage the security authorities to carry our proper investigation and come up to the court, these other persons should also be arrested because there is no body above the law. The only man who can be isolated from now is a deputy governor because of his immunity. After that, once he's out of office, we expect the SSI to also investigate. The likes of Justice Guillermo and Quasar have also made very serious statements that have threatened the legatures of this country. Why? They invited Fanecai, they apologized and they allowed him to go. I also hope that when people do apologize, if he did say that, when he will apologize, he will also be allowed to go. Because all they told Fanecai, they were apologizing and he was set free and he was cautioned never to make such a statement today. Obitu, if at all, it is true, should also be made to apologize, cautioned and set free. That's my take on that. Well, let's turn our attention to another one that's very interesting. The fact that at the end of tenure, President Mohamed Abouhari, the vice president, 28 governors and ministers, I expected to begin asset declaration. Why you have those who are going to be taken over also picking up the form for declaration. I mean, do you think that all of this, this entire procedure and the process has helped in the fight against corruption and illicit, or you want to say who not necessarily illicit, but amassing wealth indiscriminately? You see this now, you are correct, why do you have to be bothered? Can you hear me? I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yes. You see this, so why do you have to be bothered? Ever? You said anything, you said yourself or what? You said the truth. So the fact remains that the law's essence is to ensure poverty in government, not the world as it is. But higher evictions and it has nothing to do with the laws. The laws are there. It has to do with the implementation of this law. Where you have persons, you know, you see the form, how you are propagating everything all you have, so that by the time you need what you see today, and if there are addictions, then you explain how we came about these addictions. You can say, well, because as a government official, you're not expected to get yourself involved in contracts. And so on. So how did you get this addition? That is the whole essence. In other words, if for example now I had 10 houses and by the time I'm living in office, I now, the houses have been used to treat it, I have to explain how I got the remaining 10 houses. Nobody's really bothered about if it reduces. Because if it reduces, it's a plus to the government. You can say I sold it. No, that's, we are not against any law. But if it increases, because you're not expected to be involved in any other activity, other than the government activity. And that's a lot of force. And critical of first of all, now I'm going to call in my capacity, in what capacity? You walk over the government. You talk of your capacity when you leave the office. Now, I don't say that. The other thing is what you're looking, talking about. In Nigeria, it is not a situation. In Nigeria, we don't even bother about your, before you feel. It is only when the government in power is after you, maybe fallen out of favor or something, that is when they come after you. And in most cases, you'll find out that it is demand that has fallen out of favor. And what the government wants to do is to bring him to sin, to punish him for being on the other side, to punish him for being adverse to their policies or decisions or whatever. So how many people in government, I can tell you, even a governor, if you want to look at that, even if a governor cannot afford the kind of monies they spend or they waste, because the monies do not belong to them. The monies belong to the states. And as a lot of who are calling for even the probe of the so-called, what's that thing called again, security funds. Because that is also another conflict. The security fund in Jigawa might be different from Lagos, might be different from Lagos, might be different from this. And most governors, that is what they use. And these monies are attached to that money. So that's what I say, also probe the security fund. But the excuse there is, I cannot tell you I gave one money, X amount to Shuso person. I cannot disclose the identity of the person, because that might jeopardize the life of that person. Undoubtedly, it shouldn't be because the SSS should be protected because you disclose certain authority to the world so to speak in terms of security funds. That's what I'm talking about. But the SSS, you cannot also trust that. You cannot trust the public. So when I go and say, I gave money to Joseph, who actually smears on, spilled on Mr. David. The SSS man might be Joseph's cousin or this cousin. And I go and say, this is the person inside. That's why I believe they said, no, when you come to security fund, but there should also be a city that's getting bought. The constitution should say, look, not more than 100 million, 220 million or 200 million. If you want more, apply to the status of a city. It shouldn't be a blanket thing. Now, back to the other ones. It doesn't work. I can tell you that there are so many top government officials. These days, if I didn't have cashiers who have estates, cashiers, class who have estates, because they are working in connivance with a farmstead or the commissioner, your farmstead who went in as farmsteads, living in rented house, and today they have estates, you don't need to waste to the end of the tenure of that farmstead. Because most times, these properties are going to be gotten using studio names or names of other persons. So you don't really need, you should have started to investigate from day one. And whenever you find such a person wanting, even before he leaves office, unless he has immunity, should be arrested and prosecuted. That will serve as a deterrent. Because it will be difficult to see anybody in government stealing and will buy, put those properties in his own name. They'll put them in another friend's name. And that's why friends that are most times when they are out of office, they run into problems with most of their friends. Because those friends will say, no, I will not do the property to you. You cannot go to court to report. Because the judge will ask you, how did you get that property? So it leads to killing, it leads to all kinds of things. That I don't want to mention is that I'm quite aware of at least six seven, six seven, God knows inclusive, commissioners inclusive, power sets, clerks, and so on. Those that are most times exempted are like the special advisors because most times they are not given sensitive positions. But some of them have been exempt. Where you find other ministers, you find other power sets, you find other clerks, cashiers, and so on. Most of them are involved in fraudulent deals. So what do they do? Yes. Are you saying that this is just a meaningless gesture at the end of the day in our democracy? It is, I jaded for intensive good reasons. But it's meaningless now. I said the implementation has made it almost redundant. So it has to do with institutions. Even in America, even Donald Trump and Donald Trump, you have corruption. But you see, you have, you know, that's why you have state structure, fighting the corruption. And not individual. And it is not selective. That's the point. You know what the water gets candid, that's when you're not born there. But the water, don't think I'm saying, that's when you're 71 or there about. So you know what the water gets candid. Next, look at Donald Trump, who has just been elected recently. So these are the issues of Donald Trump. The states, now, when we talk of the state, you're talking of the state should be empowered. But in Nigeria, the state is not empowered. So it is selective. It is used for which hunting? Look at the former CJM, just because he refused to do the bidding of the president's government. Look at what happened to him. So it reversed the, I say reversed it. In Nigeria, it is weaponized. It is used for which hunting? That's the point we are having. That's the point we are making. It is not, it is ideal, like I said, when it comes to the point system of all kinds of fraudulent activity. But is it so? No. Even like the electoral act, the givers and so on. Look at how it was manipulated. So that's the problem we have in this country. Otherwise, we have the sound laws. In fact, I believe Nigeria has one of the country which has so much laws that you need not actually compress. You did not have them in the particular books. But it's not the case. In other countries, even in norm, there are norms that people respect and obey. There are values that are also society that people respect and obey. Here we have all kinds of them, including the law on how to live, the law on how to sleep, the law on how to talk. We have them, but it is implementation. And that's why people are calling for ensuring that these structures are not the individuals and made strong. If I even talk of an individual, what do you mean it's office? Everything collapses. When you talk of a structure, it's all life. That's the problem. Otherwise, it's a brilliant idea, but then we are talking about implementation. Well, I mean, still looking at the punch, New Zealand. Even the city chairman, you can imagine, such a man that is supposed to be out of office to be in office, that is the code of conduct tribunal here. He was invited by the National Assembly. He refused to go. He went after 13th, he went once, and the National Assembly was in court. But we saw all, didn't know what happened, what he did. And you express such a man that should be turned over. But it's not possible. It cannot be people to go on. And Mr. President is sitting there. Mr. President is sitting there. Silence. So, we are talking about the individual. Most disappointed about that was to ask that man to resign. To redact a law that placated the parties involved. So it's my friend who must resign. But he's there. And nothing has happened to him. And he saw that he's turned over. Just like my book. So in Nigeria, the persons are made stronger while the structures are being meeting. It shouldn't be. While still looking at the punch now, it talks about our debts. And especially with under this administration, Bohari's administration is reported that the Chinese loan has increased by 209%. I mean, does that really worry you for a government that came on board and said, hey, we're going to be big on the economy. It's one of the legs on which they came on board. And looking at the economy, there will be plenty of people from poverty. Of course, apparently diversified the economy. But then debts on this administration, especially to China, it's 209%. Actually, you see, I don't know why local science keep analyzing. The government is, in fact, it's almost gone. You're talking of a president that's impassive. You're talking of leaders. Excuse me. Those leaders are different with nullification and interpolation. They tell you one thing today, the two other things tomorrow. We are talking of leaders with that credibility. But the problem we had was all we had, not had, because a lot of people are now despondent. The problem we had was having faith in people that have proven to be unfaithful several times. You find out that in the morning they get up with all high blood pressure of the settlement. But the name of this. So if they tell you they are going to live their economy better than it was, it's a rhetorical question. You all, they're all Nigerians, you all reside in this country. Are they? Of course, because the answer is it is sounding low. That's the sentiment we're talking about. It's a resounding low. If it is worse than it was, it's a resounding low. So I don't want to go into the issue of what the president said or what one minister said, especially ministers like Klein, Mohamed, and Festus Kayamo. And the hubristic character of the minister for labor. I don't want to go into what the president said about anybody who believes them. I mean, she'll go get his head examined when she sees it. And I can't talk about this government, right? It's already the twilight. It has just about less than two months ago. 29th of May to be out of office. The body listening is a success. And sadly for somebody like me, we are in for worst times. Because how do you judge somebody? The person's antecedence. Basically, the person's antecedence. The matter is in court. So I want to restrain myself. But when you look at the antecedence, and I believe Nigeria's no one, from America to government should be able to do it. I can't hope NABU not know his name. If NABU not know his father, if NABU not know his brother, if NABU is a university certificate or country partial, government should be able to do it. I went to school. I cannot even tell the names of the classmates and my teachers from Nanzu School to the university. And I didn't bother to come on air to make recitations. I don't know, you don't know my parents. In my spirit, then most of you hear that NABU is involved in NAKOTU church or something. And you expect NABU to come and give you the dividends of democracy. You don't learn how to use the left hand in order to reach. You don't. So we are waiting. But we are in for worst times. That's the truth. So a lot of Nigerians have shunned into this love, that's for sure. Honestly, we should wait. It would be a miracle for the political road of Jericho to be transformed in this country. It would be a miracle. Honestly, it would be a miracle to see somebody have joyous scenes and penitently approach leadership. It would be difficult. So I don't want to bother about the best rates or whatever in this country. I'm not, I'm not, because it is, it is a, it's more than the animal thing there. This is no capitalism. In Nigeria, it is capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich. That's what we are practicing. So I don't have hope. I'm very sorry to say I don't have hope. Especially with the income in this country. I once went to prove me wrong. To put it to shame. Yes, it would be a pleasant shame that it performed politically. And Nigerians, it would be a pleasant shame. Because I honestly doubt that we are going to move, if I will move back with this. Once the president elect to swan it, it would be a great shame. And if you have characters like Kasi Teyama and Lai Mohamed and the arrogant minister for Libo, there will be a boom at the time. Well, Ponabon Kataria, just quickly, there's also another that's of big interest. There's on the punch newspaper. Talks about the fact that the federal government will, in the next one or two weeks, begin the demolition of billions, multi-millionaire, private jet hangars that are located at the Murtala Mohamed Highway. The reason for that is that it's actually obstructing efficient use of the airport. Honestly, I'm just sharing with you the question. I think the experts are the ones that are in a better place to explain this. Because first and foremost, if we talk of destruction, can they be used as like what they used to call doing the plastic industry? Ways to work, or what they used, I don't know the following. So the experts will say if those things can be sold as crap to make money for the government. But when they talk about wanting, we should also consider the wanting to limit. And we are talking about the pollution of those only on a regular basis. We are also talking about the fact it's going to have, you know. Every day, we are headed closely to the next because of what we did. In other states, it's even worse because of the suits. I will not add to the suit problem over there, or we'll need not begin. So I think the experts will wait into it if it can be transformed. Like they have the plastic, they have what they say for waste to, well to waste or waste to work. I think that's better. But so if the experts agree that it could be sold as crap or we can use them for something else which will be at least to reduce the financial loss. Fine. I think the experts will look into it. I think actually that is nothing to be done. Then it has to be done. They have to be done from that. Well, at this point up on above, we have to go. Thank you so much for being part of the breakfast. We do appreciate you on off the press and we look forward to sharing your thoughts on more national, very interesting issues right here on the show. Thank you very much. That's the size of off the press this morning. We take a quick break. When we return, we'll continue with our first conversation. We'll be looking at the consents that has been raised by CERAP who's asking that the government of Buhari's administration would send the bill to the National Assembly reverting, acting or implementing the judgment of the echoers who, I mean the ruling that was given in 2020, July to the precise. When we return, we'll talk some more history with us.