 team has done an amazing work to fulfill all the requirements that we have to get to this point. And I'm going to just pass it to Noe so he can walk you through all the work that has been done and all the agenda that we're going to talk about today. Noe, the floor is yours. Thank you Beatriz. Hi everyone. Good afternoon, good wet afternoon. I hope everybody's doing well. My name is Noe Nojola. I'll be your facilitator today. Mainly I'm just here to make sure that we get out on time. We're scheduled to do about two hours, so about eight o'clock. Hopefully everybody will be on their way home or on their way to to hang out and just relax in this cozy evening. Before we do that, I want to just make sure that anybody asks if anybody necesita introducción, necesita traducciones. Does anybody need translation? Si alguien necesita traducción al español, por favor, alza la mano y le podemos integrar a otro canal. So asking to see if anybody needs introduction, translation to Spanish. Any members of the public? Alguien requiere traducción al español. No, not seen any then I'm going to go ahead and call the meeting to order and introduce here Michelle Montoya who will take roll call please. Michelle. Thank you so much. When I call your name, if you could just confirm that you are here please. Eli Soto. Andreas Vigil. Annette Arnold. Here. Thank you. Dela Shea Benson. Erica Meekish. Present. Thank you. Yvette Minor. Here. Jen Close. Here. Lee Pierce. He's nodding. I see his hand up. Perfect. I had to unmute. Sorry. Perfect. Thank you. Lisa Jocelyn. Here. Melanie Ailers. Okay. Michael Cook. Michael Cook. I do see he is. I am here. Sorry. I was double muted. Perfect. Thank you. Omar Lopez. Here. Patricia Thompson. Here. Rajuda Bomik. Ryan Tracy. Here. Stephanie Meniri. Steven Spillman. Here. Kevin Anderson. Here. And happy birthday. Happy birthday, Beatriz. Um, Michelle, I'm sorry if I put you this spell, spell Vita. Okay. James Pedgrift. Here. Joel Batterman. Here. Anna Stevens. Here. Here. And Barbara. Barbara. Here. Thank you. Okay. Let the record reflect that all committee members are present with the exception of Ali Soto, Andreas Vigil, Dela Shea Benson, Melanie Ailers, Rajuda Bomik, Michelle's Vita. And we have two vacancies. All right. Thank you, Michelle. So just to confirm, we do have a quorum. Okay. That is correct. We do have a quorum. Great. Thank you so much. And thank you, everybody, for participating tonight. We really appreciate your time. I want to go ahead and get us started on a few things. Now that the, you know, formalities, just another very minor formality, I just want to read this, this statement here from the city of Santa Rosa, just to again remind you that the meeting is being recorded. The city of Santa Rosa is committed to creating a safe and inclusive environment free from disruption. We will not tolerate any hateful speech or actions and are well staffed to monitor that everyone is participating respectfully or they will be removed. If necessary, we will also immediately end the meeting. If the meeting is ended, we will plan on recording another presentation without participants that will be posted on the project website. Okay. Let's see. Now let's go ahead and go into public comments. Are there any public comments here that are not related to the agenda, to any agenda items? This is for, I see a raised hand. Go ahead, Michael. Give me just one moment. Could you stop the share really quick so that I can share the timer? Sure. Okay. Go ahead, Michael. Any public comments on any issues not related to what is posted on the agenda? Can you hear me? We can hear you. So, okay. Okay. Well, I was just told that if I wanted to really get my public comments out there that I would make an appearance tonight virtually. And I was just, there was two things that I wanted to bring up that I think you people have gotten in the past. The first one I wanted to talk about was Highway 12 not having some sort of bypass or the Southeast Greenway. Does any of that ring a bell to any of you? Michael, these are public comments. So, you have three minutes. You have two minutes and 25 seconds here. Yeah. So, that's what I would like to comment on. So, does any of you remember those comments that I emailed before? Hello? Yeah, Michael. So, at this moment, we're not engaging in discussion. This is really just your three minutes to comment on whatever you would like. Okay. I just would like to bring up that I think it might be a good idea for there to still maybe not just still because I think there's a lot of congestion in that area of where Highway 12 goes through and that it might be a good idea that maybe I was going to suggest that maybe not a freeway, maybe go through the Southeast Freeway, but what about just an expressway? Just like expressway with signalized intersections that would connect out to the Oakmont area, just like as a surface tree where you can go at a really high speed and there's signalized intersections instead of interchanges. So, that was one comment I wanted to get out. The next comment, the last one I have, is that I would say another thing that I would like is to encourage more drive-through facilities to come to the city because of the pandemic going on right now. I think it's really important so that people have the option of staying safely in their cars and not having to go inside that we encourage more drive-through facilities such as quickserve restaurants, pharmacies, ATMs, just to, you know, that way people can have more options for for remaining safely in their car by not discouraging new drive-through establishments within Santa Rosa City limits. So, that was just another thing that I wanted to get to tonight. So, those were my only two comments. That was it. When can I get a response to these? Michael, at this moment you have one minute. Do you want to finish off? Oh, I just said when can I get a response to these two comments I just made? We don't have an answer to you at this point. Okay, can I please begin on one later before I go? Like before I go, can I, was there a way I can get a response later on? Sure. What we'll do is we will connect you with, if you could just, I think we have your email address here, correct? Yes. And at those two comments about what if Highway 12 went through that section of stairs extended to the expressway instead of as a freeway, like maybe that might face less opposition because if it's just an expressway, there's less impact compared to if there was a freeway and also this thing about permitting more and encouraging more drive-through establishments within Santa Rosa City limits. So, that was it. Thank you. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Bye-bye. Any other public comments here related to anything that is not on the agenda? Please go ahead and raise your hands. I'm not seeing any other hands at this time. I did want to note that member Allie Soto has joined us as well. Okay, great. Thank you so much for that. All right. I'll come back to sharing my screen here. So, not seeing any further public comments. Michelle, you're agreeing to this. There's no other further public comments that you're seeing. Correct. Okay. So, we can jump right into that. All right. So, just getting into the welcome and agenda review, what we're going to talk about today as you see it here, we've gone through some public comments. We're going to do just a quick review of the agenda. You're going to receive some project updates from staff member Amy Lyle. And then also, we're going to get into the meat of the discussion here, which is going to be the, you're going to have a brief presentation on equity priority communities. We'd like your feedback on that. Also, you're going to have an alternatives workbook presentation and brief discussion. What we'd like to do is just from this point, let you know that this is just your initial response. There's going to be further time for being able to submit your comments. So, don't feel that we all have to really work this out entirely today. It's just your initial response. Finally, the community engagement event set. We do want to get your input on how that works as liaisons to the community. Another round of public comments. And then finally, next steps and close. All right. So, that is our agenda. Now, as you can see here, the project team is including city staff and the consultant team. But to talk about the city staff, I'd like to bring on Andy Gustafson, who will give you, well, a bit of an update, right, Andy? Yes, and thank you very much for your introductions here. So, I have an announcement that's both exciting and sad. I am retiring and it's exciting for me. And I think our team will find it exciting as well because now when I step away, I will be succeeded by Amy Nicholson as project manager when she is able to clear her plate a bit. I will imagine sometime in January, February, but she's a very capable, longstanding colleague in the advanced planning team. And I know that Amy Lyle and Patrice Guerrero will really welcome her into the team. So I've got to tell this group, thank you very much for engaging in this project in the early days and hanging with us. I think what is now in front of you is the most exciting part and I will be watching from afar. Maybe I'll be commenting in public comments going forward. So thank you again for everything you're doing for this project and wish you all the best. Thank you. I'll turn this now over to either Amy Lyle or Patrice. Well, let's see. In terms of just process here, we have Steve Spillman here that is probably wanting to congratulate you. So I think we should admit that. But just let me check, Steve, for just a quick second. Michelle, is there any concern with having people, committee members jump in here? I think it's okay. All right. Okay. Go ahead, Steve, please. Oh, yes, certainly congratulations, Andy, but you know, quite a disappointment for the rest of us. And we're hoping that whatever's next in your life will be even greater than what you contributed to the city of Santa Rosa. And hopefully you will be able to advise us maybe on a personal level, but maybe on a staff level, because, you know, your expertise and your experience is just overwhelming. And to see it just vanish, it would be quite disappointing. So I'm sure I'm hoping you'll stay engaged and at a minimum, you know, be a personal advisor to us who are going to be relying on you. Well, thank you. And I got a follow up on that to say, I feel great about the decision at this time, simply because of the capacity and ability of this, my colleagues here at the city. I mean, as many of you probably experienced when you step away from a job in a favorite project, you always wonder, can it carry forward? And I, with the greatest confidence know that they'll be able to do so. So I have no problems and certainly they'll stay engaged. Thank you. They just don't slip away. Well, engaged with everything that's so important to the city to just slip away. So I'm sure you won't. Thank you so much for that, Steve. Congratulations, Andy, on behalf of everyone. I think everybody's very excited to do well for you, not to see you leave, but for you. And all of us, I'm sure a little bit jealous. So with that, I want to just go ahead and do a quick brief introduction of the consultant team or reintroduction to many of you. It includes MIG, the place works team, and Jervais and associates, everybody from the team, if you can please just raise your hand and say hello. Just so everybody knows that you're here. Thank you so much. All right. Great. So with those introductions now in order, what I want to do is move us along here to the role and commitment. I want to bring on our formidable Beatriz Guerrero to, as your liaison, to just give you a bit of encouragement, right, Beatriz? That's correct, Noem. Muchas gracias. Thanks for sharing this space. I just wanted to remind you that the community advisory, community role, and commitment that we have had for this group is to be part of the community engagement strategy. You're our liaison and we really rely on you to help us figure out if what we're doing is all right and if you want us to change something, if you want us to improve and be our connections with the community. So we really thank you for the time that you're investing in this, but we also welcome you to ask questions, to please provide us your feedback and also to continue engaged because most of you and all the people who are new to this new CAC are doing really great work and we really want to encourage you to continue. We know we've been quiet, but it's because we were doing a lot of work and you are about to see it. So very happy to have you here and if you can go to the next slide, please, Noem. Amy Lyle is going to help us with the project updates, but just keep in mind that we're really excited to have you here and we're going to start this journey that was a little bit stuck because of all the work that was being done behind the scenes, but we're ready to go. Amy, this is your space. Thank you so much, Beatrice and also just want to say happy birthday to Beatrice. She's joining us on her birthday tonight, so we really appreciate that. We can go to the next slide, please. So my part of the presentation tonight is just to catch you up on where we've been and where we are at this moment. We do have some new CAC members tonight, so we want to welcome you as well and just kind of recap what's been happening. So this is our project schedule and we won't get into detail on this, but just to say that the general plan process and the update process is long. So we appreciate you all staying with us. The update that we're doing is of our general plan, which is considered the constitution for development in a city. Every jurisdiction in California has to have one and ours is right for an update. There's been a lot going on and we're looking forward to the next 30 years to see what we're going to be doing here in Santa Rosa based on the community's direction. So along with our general plan update, this also includes an update to our housing element and update to our climate action plan. We also will be looking at our safety element and all things along with that. And so this is comprehensive, so it touches about every aspect of our community. And I also just wanted to note that we're right in the midst, thank you very much, of the alternative section. So previously when we kicked off the project, we started with a vision. So that was done over the summer and we're going to talk a little bit more about what we heard as part of that visioning process. But our alternatives process will be looking at land use and all circulation alternatives and we'll be going from this month through January and February as well. So all of these different sets of events and deliverables that we're working on start with the community. So we present it to you, the community advisory committee, our technical advisory committee, and then we do a lot of work with the community and then we go back to our city boards and commissions, planning commission and city council to really confirm direction and let them know what the community said so we can move to that next step. So stay along with us for the rest of it because 2022 is going to be a very fast paced year in regards to the general plan. All right, next slide please. So we did just wanted to recap what happened last summer with our visioning event set. It was a very big picture question that we asked the community and your group, but really what do we want to see for Santa Rosa? What is our vision for how we want Santa Rosa to be in 30 years? So we did do a variety of different things. We are really trying to touch each member of our community, all residents. And so we did 10 community workshops challenged by the pandemic, of course, so they were all remote. But we did one in each of our council districts. And then we also did bilingual and then Spanish speaking only workshops. And we also went to roughly 25 community group meetings. So thank you for all those who connected us with your community groups and your communities. And we also had a lot of individual conversations. We had an online survey, and we also did some in person work as well with that survey. But all of that is on our website, all of the results notes, recordings from those workshops. So if you want to catch up and see what people said, that's one place to do it. But this visual does encompass what we heard in one concise picture and was presented to the city council and confirmed by them. And next slide, please. And then the other part of that is that we created a vision statement. So this vision statement along with those words in the other slide will be living along with us through the rest of the process and will help guide our policy work. So the vision statement that was defined is that Sederosa is a diverse, equitable, and sustainable community built on civic engagement that empowers everyone to provide and support equal and affordable opportunities to obtain good housing, education and jobs, to enjoy vibrant cultural events and arts, and to live healthy lives in resilient neighborhoods that adapt to social and environmental change. So with that, I'm going to pass it over to talk about some of the other work that we're doing that Beatrice has really been focused on. And that's our equity and priority work plan. So with that Beatrice, I'll pass it over to you. Thank you, Amy. Because of the time that we have and because we invested a little bit of time in our previous conversations and we were a little bit late, we want you to be out of here at 8 p.m. So I'm going to focus on the first four slides, which are the main conversation that we want to have with you. And I will leave the rest of the conversation for a different time and also leaving you all the details because this is public information. You can get back to the presentation and you will be able to go to go back to our website. What we want right now is to have your feedback on Santa Rosa's equity priority communities. And for some of the people who haven't met me before, I was hired by the City of Santa Rosa as an equity and public health player. So part of my role was to define how we were going to do outreach in a more equitable way and thinking specifically about the populations that haven't been taken into account in planning in the past. So for this specific task and out of the different definitions from the State of California, we got 10 different groups that are actually Santa Rosa's equity priority communities based on our research. And what we want to hear from you later is what are you thinking about this presentation and this definitions? And if you're thinking that there's someone else who we are missing with the definition of equity priority communities. We have gone to City Council as a study session to present this document, but it's not a final definition. You're still open to get your feedback and to talk more about this conversation. So just for purposes of the general plan update and for our community outreach work plan, we wanted to tell you that Santa Rosa's equity priority communities or populations would be low income individuals and families, racial and ethnic groups experiencing disparate health outcomes, seniors, children, youth and young adults, individuals with disabilities, number five, immigrants and refugees, number six, outdoor workers and farm workers, number seven, individuals who are limited English proficient, number eight, unhoused people, number nine, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer and questioning communities LGBTQ plus and number 10, individuals who are incarcerated and those who have been incarcerated. In the next slides, in the next set of slides, I explain, sorry, this is our map and this map is based on plan Bay Area 2050. Plan Bay Area 2050 defined equity priority areas based on different variables with mainly they call equity priority areas, the intersection in between the areas of the Bay Area that intersect low income and highest percentage of people of color. We did the same for the city of Santa Rosa. So what you're looking at in the screen is a map of the city of Santa Rosa. You can see Highway 12 crossing from north to south and sorry, Highway 101 crossing from north to south and you can see Highway 12 crossing from east to west. In this specific map, you can see blue areas. Blue areas are the highest percentage of people of color and you will see yellow areas that are areas with the highest percentage of households who live in poverty and the green areas are actually the intersection of both areas. Why didn't we do this type of mapping? We wanted to identify the areas of the city that we believe haven't been integrated into the conversation of planning and based on past policies that were discriminative against people of color, we also included the voices of this community. So for us, these areas are particularly important to do outreach in and we want to hear specific voices in these areas. That's why we're doing this type of mapping and that's why we wanted to explain to you. There's a lot of more technical details about how we created this. I don't want to go too deep into there unless there are questions later tonight. This is actually for you to process and get feedback from you but the question that I would like to actually get to if we can go to the last set of slides in this conversation that go to barriers for equity-priority communities. If we can go there, please, I would really appreciate it. I give details of every and each population that we presented at the beginning and what I want to specifically tell you about is why are we selecting these specific communities and next slide, please. That one is the one that I wanted to get. Thank you so much, Nguyen. Why are we selecting these communities? First of all, because we identify barriers that cross in between all these populations and that are actually affecting them to not be part of this conversation in relationship to planning but also government participation. The first one is technical language. We use a lot of technical language in planning that we actually want to make available for people and make easier for people to understand and in general in government. Number two, we have time limitations and physical locations. We make people come to our meetings instead of going to them. People who have limited financial resources sometimes can attend our meetings because they're working or they do have a job that requires them to be paid by the hour and then they can join us or be part even of the CAC meetings. We sometimes lack of cultural appropriateness and we want to change this and create events that are created in a way that communities feel comfortable talking in. Number five, I'm related to the previous one but not necessarily is English proficiency. There's communities who speak other languages and sometimes don't speak English well have really greater challenge to be reached by the city and we want to put a specific attention of them. Number six, and unfortunately I think this is very general for the whole country and not only for the city of Santa Rosa. There's not a lack of trust in government, not specifically local government but government in general and we want to change this. A lot has to do with immigration status but a lot of other things have to do with discrimination and a lack of response from previous governments and last but not least in this COVID-19 times there's a lot of lack of technologies having us and a technology goal that we are very aware of and that's why we want to be out in the community instead of just being on online meetings. So these are the main barriers that we identified and we want to follow specific strategies that we will talk about just next slide. Thank you. First of all, it's haven't been collaboration so we are actually here to tell you that we want you to invite us to any community events that you have. If your event is fun, please invite us to that one because we want to be in the fun event so that the community actually wants to talk to us but we're going to do this with other organizations. We're going to be diss with the county, we're going to be in vaccination centers, we're going to be in pop-ups, we're going to be in farmers markets, we're going to be on food distributions so for you to know and if you want to participate with us you're more than welcome to join us. We have a targeted approach and this means that we're going to be going to these specific areas that I showed previously on the map and that's why it is important that if you think that we are selecting the populations correctly and if you have any other ideas of where should we be going please let us know. We will have an equity grant program that will be starting next year depending on our finance team and we want to provide people up to $2,500 per project. If you have neighbors, if yourselves you want to be part of the community engagement strategies and you want to create an event with your neighbors, with your friends, with your family, with your community organization and you have ideas on how to work with any of this 10 equity priority communities, this grant is for those groups and finally but not less important, we are having adjustments to our community involvement strategy which means we're going to have to make everything more accessible for the community so we'll have Spanish translation but we're also having some other surprises like having a multi-lingual meeting so we're also asking for your support if you speak any other language or you have families, friends who you know who would like to be part of this conversation and be part of our multi-lingual meetings please let us know and join us in this outreach that we're going to have to be more inclusive in terms of all the events and all the work that we're doing so this is actually my last slide and what I want to say is if we can go to the next slide Noah please I want to ask you this question would you consider women's to include any equity priority population in Santa Rosa that we're aware of and if so which is which is a population and this is this doesn't have to be a long discussion if you want to provide feedback or if you want to tell us about a community or a population that we missed please just help us raise in your hand and let's have this conversation is that okay Michelle can I can I open the the space for conversation awesome thank you so let's let's go ahead and do that so the question on the floor is here if the the committee members does anybody have any want any comments in general in response to Beatriz's brief presentation again note that this is a brief presentation there will be more you'll have the opportunity to be able to respond more profoundly and are there any communities that were missing from this list so Steve go ahead please and yeah please just raise your hand if you wanted to verbalize your comments go ahead Steve oh I would just curious about uh well it's actually it's pretty fantastic what you presented but are these strategies working it's about to start Steve yeah we're relying on everyone here in this team to be part of this same strategy we're actually already planning the events on this specific locations and trying to go to the specific communities and um reaching out to all the community members that we know and non-profits and organizations that are actually part of this of this list so yes so the tremendous barriers here and I was curious a little more than curious how do we make this more effective and if oh if the strategies are working you're fantastic so this is just the start of the strategy and we want to get your response to see if this is a good one it sounds like you're you're in favor of it you sound like your your favorite do you have any other comments Steve anything that anything that you would want to add to this no there's no comments that like to add to it other than just I'm trying to become more informed to see what strategies are working okay because the issues are real and so I was more inquiring about are these strategies working or or are they not and how much are they working out how effective are they so so maybe I can help you out here and just say that maybe we should track metrics in terms of participation in terms of in terms of just how effective we're being um in reaching populations so I just want to tag on to to Steve to your comment Lee go ahead please thank you very much and I'm the new kid on the block it's okay learning curve is straight up yeah no no problem no problem thank you Lee go ahead please thank you noe and group I I want to first uh compliment you all on the information that you just presented I think it's comprehensive and touches on just about everything that would go through my mind although I would love to see on your color coded map where the priority groups reside is there further breakout of who those groups are within those color zones okay let me go back here so your question Lee is is is there a further distinction between the groups is what you'd like to understand a little bit more what I would like to understand for example I reside over in the Mount Taylor area I think on your map in the green there I'd like to understand in more detail all over the whole wherever you see the green is what groups and what percentages are they found to be in those those areas got it okay and just to just to clarify I'm just being conscious of time for everybody again apologize if I want to you know I know we can get really deep into the weeds in this but I want to encourage everybody to just you know if you have a question we're going to take it I wouldn't expect an immediate response but Beatriz do you have just a quick brief response that we can that we can provide Lee I wanted to tell you that I will send the presentation together with the link so you can go and explore in the maps and then if there's an additional like technical question or you want to provide me comments you'll have more and more time for this I just wanted to make the presentation to you so that if you had anything on top of your mind we could discuss it but that said I'll wait and hear for your hear your comments and I'll I'll go ahead and send everyone this presentation together with the links so you can go into the maps and explore this goes for you Lee I know you want to go deeper we have a lot of information that you might be interested looking at but nonetheless the comment is still like we want to see a little bit more distinction within those green areas I think is the comment correctly and that's correct all right just to see what's really underneath the green blob there right okay thank you for that let's see I have any any go ahead please my only question would be are we tracking the homeless encampments in this map okay question about the answer I know I'm just putting out yeah fair enough I just want to repeat to make sure that this is about homelessness and you're you're specifically asking about tracking the homeless encampments in there yes and I know that unhoused unhoused individuals is number eight here it's an important one Annette please go ahead sorry my question was answered I wanted to see the list of equity populations again okay great Ryan thank you go ahead please one other just quick comment as I know when using census tract data you're obviously looking at a certain high level of granularity so if there's any opportunities to identify communities that are more exact like I'm thinking like maybe affordable housing units that are you know maybe outside those tracks but you know obviously a disadvantaged population those sorts of opportunities to make sure include them so so are you suggesting Ryan basically specific areas affordable housing developments and those might be outside of this green zone but might be still an equity priority right exactly so maybe mapping overlaying affordable housing public housing units other types of things like that correct correct all right great any other comments folks we have a bet event is raising oh I'm sorry I didn't see event hi hi go ahead just really quick it's in relation to the data I know that the census tract has come out and are you going to do any adjustments to what you have done so far just to see if there's any major changes in the data right so updating the data with new with the latest information basically okay thank you that's a great comment all right any other comments here or questions that you want to submit maybe not for immediate response but just for staff to consider and ponder all right it's a good job I like the list and that is exactly what's in our community and what needs to be tackled great okay so now just to follow up here on for everybody I know we we got the comments on the population are there any communities that are missing here I know we've mentioned a couple we want a little bit more granularity maybe people outside of the green area are there any communities here that are missing anything that you would say yeah pay attention to that a little bit more all right yeah go ahead Annette what what about people who are going through mental issues drug addicts drug addiction and things like that right so I know that we have individuals who have been incarcerated but I don't know that we've explicitly called out folks that that are experiencing you know addiction issues so okay addiction and mental because I think both of those have a lot to do with not having homes absolutely sure the connection with with unhoused people but more broadly the the people with mental health suffering from mental health issues or and or you know addiction issues thank you for that any other comments any any other groups ideas that you want to that you want to target here I do have a quick comment yeah please go ahead event um this is a good start but as we're doing this work and we're moving forward we have the ability to come back and make adjustments correct yeah I mean this is a live this is a live thing right we're we're presenting this as a sort of first draft um to you to understand a little bit more you're our liaison to the to the community to the Santa Rosa area and we want you to tell us so what are we missing how should we look at this what are the frames that we need to understand the lenses whatever you want to say so absolutely that I think that um you know if if there is a chance to kind of adjust as we move along I think that'd be important to do so and I apologize I'm calling everybody by the first name I've completely lost protocol and not saying you know committee member uh minor I hope everybody I hope that's fine with everybody uh Lee go ahead please I'm sorry yeah thank you can you hear me okay I can hear you yes thank you thank you noi uh I was just curious um in terms of priority groups in the future as well as now um teachers police officers professionals uh that we would like to attract to this community um and there's usually difficulties with doing so either housing or income or fear of fires or whatever it might be and the the sort of the title of um individuals uh I see different cuts of individuals and I'm it's not income necessarily it's not disabilities but these are professionals who are going to train our kids and our workforce and all of that any thought to what Santa Rosa can do to become more attractive to these sorts of people sure so you're getting at workforce issues right uh specifically targeting uh workforce that is needed and in the in the city but that might be priced out for some reason or that might not that we want to I think you're saying retain and also attract yes correct okay yes all right I think that's a that's another one to add to the list uh Michelle did you want to add something here well I just uh love this discussion fantastic list the priorities what occurred to me in looking just at number one for example teasing out what how does income affect life and how does that manifest in the plan and it makes me think about transportation and if there's a way to um I don't know if you'd say those people without a vehicle but it does so I'm not sure the category but just recognizing that having access to work school recreation home shopping and so forth I don't know how exactly that translates to this list but it is an aspect that should make its way into the planning and I just wanted to highlight that okay thank you for that Michelle all right so uh any other final comments before we move on okay thank you everybody for your for your feedback and uh we will um you know move forward with that but I think that that transit dependent population is another one to to to add to the list right there Michelle thank you so much for that all right so now I want to bring on my colleagues uh Dan Omston and Andrea is she here do I don't see her Andrea is she here okay I'm like I'm seeing this Andrea Howard from Placeworks so uh like to invite you to present to the alternatives workbook please sounds good I'll start it Andrea we'll add in uh some of the discussion as well so good to see everyone again Dan Omston with MIG it's been a little while since we last met but it's great to see the committee here uh again this evening so I'm going to talk through a little bit about the alternatives report and alternatives process and where we've been doing analysis and sort of developing all this as a as a team with city staff here over the last about four or five months or so as Amy mentioned earlier the community vision that the city council and planning commission reviewed added to added to and refined over the summer was a key starting point to this project during that community engagement event set we actually received over three thousand individual comments from the community during workshops and online surveys so a ton of information in addition to the vision discussions as well and we've been recording all of that it's posted on the website in various summaries but using that as a starting point to think through these unique and very plausible alternatives for the future and they're they're high level very intentionally because we're starting this alternative discussion and really tonight is the beginning of the community discussion on alternatives but the the the reason for doing alternatives and general plan is to really start thinking through where growth or change or new buildings new jobs could be focused and then what are sort of the pros and cons around locating things in different ways or different areas and that's really where these alternatives start to look at a range of possibilities for future growth and change as Andrea will mention we're assuming the same approximately the same number of new homes or jobs and reach alternative so there isn't a high growth or low growth that's very intentional it's really to focus the community discussion on where growth should occur so I'm going to go through the alternatives and just sort of describe the differences between them and how they were developed Andrea is going to talk about some of the specifics and some of the analysis our team has done to look at the pros and cons we're going to have a few pause points to do actual quick polls with the CAC because a lot of us here tonight but just some fun polls to get some feedback and like the last discussion item have some additional discussion as well I didn't want to mention this is the starting point of the discussion and we want to get some initial feedback as Noe mentioned we can still have the next couple weeks up until 1224 to get additional comments ideas when CAC members really have a chance to dive into this so don't feel you need to be an expert in this this is intentionally pretty high level so the first alternative we've named central corridors and what this alternative is looking at is focusing future growth and essentially what we mean by that is housing towards downtown or towards these central corridors that are shown here in a yellow line sort of a yellow shade and most of these areas already have good access to transit connections to transit facilities whether a smart train or city bus and so this is maybe could be thought of as sort of a more compact development form but in this scenario most community needs such as jobs retail commercial services daily needs can be met and or near the central part of the city so focusing future growth towards the downtown area or along central corridors alternative to takes a little bit different approach and this comes from a lot of the comments we heard from the community and this CAC about building some of these neighborhood amenities and neighborhood uses so as you can see that yellow shaded area where a lot of future housing will be located is spread out more along these neighborhood main streets and so this alternative concentrates housing jobs other destinations along these corridors but also establishes more community centers or nodes which are represented in these red dots and in this scenario nearly all residents would have access to daily needs within walking or biasing biking distance so reducing a lot of needs for vehicle travel or transit travel through or across the city because it's focused on sort of these neighborhoods as as the growth areas now alternative three is a third option here and this looks at really distributing housing throughout the city housing came up in all the community discussions as one of if not the the greatest concern or need next to equity with the community and this alternative really looks at distributing duplexes triplexes courtyards single family homes all types of housing throughout the city on parcels that can accommodate this new house so they're either currently vacant or have the ability for increased housing or more units and that's why this is sort of sort of spread out because it's really focused on particular areas where housing can go but since new housing is distributed in each neighborhood residents then may need to travel by vehicle or bus to access daily needs as well so it's it's creating this range of possibility on different alternatives to start the discussion with the community on okay what are some of the the pros and cons of these three so as part of this and and this gets the Beatrice comment on we're trying to reduce the jargon and make this very visual and easy for people to understand so we also created some of these sort of cross section diagrams this is not a particular part of the city is generalized intentionally but for alternative one the central corridors concept you can think of the downtown stationary on the left sort of the the purple reddish purple area and as you move away from the downtown you'll have higher densities closer to these high frequency bus routes which again are those those close corridor connections the downtown retail other medium density housing will be located along those those routes and then as you move sort of away from those corridors it's essentially a lot of the low density residential rural residential that are exist in most of the suburban parts of Santa Rosa today so again this is focused on the downtown and and growing along the central corridors alternative to so visualizing that and sort of this this uh three-dimensional graphic as we're growing or creating these neighborhood centers there's still a focus on the high frequency bus routes but not quite as much intensity or density maybe as alternative one but you'll also get these retail areas or residential areas that are out within neighborhoods that's what we're trying to show here on the far right is additional amenities within neighborhoods as part of these new sort of centers or nodes that are created and then alternative three really looks at bolstering what we already have as sort of the key starting point but the other unique difference again is sort of housing and distributing that housing where it can go on vacant parcels so the medium density or low density or rural residential is a bit more spread out or questions I spread out intermixed under this alternative because we're really focusing on on creating housing efficiently to meet housing needs so with that I'll pass it to Andrea this is just an example of all three of them together but one of the key things our team isn't working on the last few months with staff is really evaluating the impacts or benefits pros and cons of each of the alternatives against each other essentially to articulate that to communities we go into the the workshops and community discussions Andrea thanks Dan hi everyone again my name is Andrea and I'm going to walk through some of the details of these alternatives with you mostly by talking about information that's in the workbook so you know keep in mind you have access to that and you can look at it in a lot more detail later on I just want to call your attention to a couple of key things here and as we move between topics like Dan said we're going to pause a couple times for polls but I also would like you to keep two questions in mind throughout what we want to find out from you all eventually is which of these alternatives comes closest to meeting your vision for Santa Rosa's future and then second what would you change about that alternative to make it better so we're going to kick things off here looking at housing and economic factors in each alternative as Dan said they all have each of the alternatives have the same amount of housing 36 000 units and that's based on the amount that we have estimated the existing general plan has in its remaining capacity and you could choose later on that you want to increase or decrease that but we're starting at an equal playing field here and then the maps that Dan presented show how those distribute housing in a unique pattern depending on the alternative we plugged those 36 000 units into a market assessment to estimate how many non-residential or how much of the non-residential uses we could support in in the future with these 36 000 new homes so we've estimated up to one million square feet of retail space that's like including coffee shops including stores up to two million square feet of office space like dentists and attorneys offices and up to one and a half million square feet of industrial facilities including warehousing and manufacturing businesses these commercial uses would generally follow the same patterns as the residents as the residential uses in each alternative the exception being the industrial uses which we anticipate would locate in the same places in each alternative along the freeway because of the access that they need to regional transportation and as Dan introduced what that means is that future residents would live in varying proximities to shopping and local jobs depending on the alternative and the types of housing would differ ranging from dense multifamily units close to jobs in the alternative one and then more duplexes and triflexes further from services in alternative three alternative two kind of somewhere in the middle there so we're going to pause for the first set of polls that i think no way is going to queue up for us thank you Andrea before well actually let's go ahead and do that the the first question is and then we'll take a couple of questions Jen I know I saw your your hand up and we'll just do this poll and then come back and have some discussion so the first question here is where should we encourage new housing the options downtown area neighborhood corridors i.e. Sebastopol Road it's actually Sebastopol Avenue Mendocino Avenue Franklin Avenue etc or throughout the city go ahead and continue here continue your polling a lot of folks have not yet and one quick clarification if i may the polling is for cac members tonight but i know we have a some members of the public who are also on this webinar this is a precursor to a big community engagement event beginning in 2022 so the community will also have opportunity to weigh in as well i just want to mention it and okay so did everybody it looks like everybody has pulled at this point correct okay let me go ahead and end the poll no all right one more there you go all right i think we're we're good so it looks like it looks like we're saying folks are pretty even throughout the city neighborhood corridors downtown area okay so let me just share the results here so you can see here you know folks are folks are oh wait a minute okay so let's go one question at a time is i think the the problem here i was like why are we having so many things going on okay so the first question here is where should we encourage but we did go through everything so that's fine the next question is where should we encourage new jobs and you you have the same kind of responses all right downtown area let's see throughout the city okay you see that there's a pretty broad mix and then last one is it okay for housing to be more separate from commercial uses and those even split yes and no okay all right thank you for that so i did say that we we could come back and have some discussion here but i know in the interest of time let's just go ahead and do that but do it briefly because we do have a few other things to get through so jen did you have uh did you have a comment or that you wanted to jump in here and make well i do and i i mean it actually really speaks to the results that were just right there is that i'm i'm unclear as to why we're making why this is presented as a choice and as a it feels like it falls trichotomy if you will like sure i don't know that there's any way really in reality to meet our housing needs or and to serve the the people of the city who all have different kinds of needs and this is a diverse group of people luckily by focusing on any one of these things and i think like state housing laws really speak to that is that they're a suite that encourage all of them all of them and and so i it's it to me this to me this is not this is a counterproductive discussion actually and question and it should be much more related to how do we how do we encourage housing and development in all of these places in the best way possible how do we make sure that the people are served with transportation who live out in areas that are zoned primarily for single-family homes how do we make sure that we can attract developers for for downtown Santa Rosa how do we continue to develop in our commercial quarters and high resource areas but attract a more a more diverse community in those areas like that right so so this is just to start Jen and and so right this is we expect that the whole thing will be the csc and the community will choose and mix and match and basically combine pieces of alternatives so but nonetheless i understand what you're saying they shouldn't be a dichotomy or trichotomy as you said thank you for that i mean i just i really can't i'm sorry i'm i can't like this is a it's a frustrated the question is like where should we encourage and and and i feel like that setting this up as that's the that's the threshold question is right there creating the wrong conversation fair enough i will start i will thank you for that Jen appreciate that if i can add real quick and that's great feedback Jen because the question's obviously refined as well i did want to just mention or add a little bit to what noe mentioned about picking and choosing and refining this is the start of the alternatives process we do want to create some options that people really think about these choices like we are here tonight um we had a similar poll with city staff and there was almost kind of like one answer that came up a lot so i'm actually emboldened by seeing how much variation there is across the board with this group which is kind of what we're hoping is that discussion with the community to really start thinking about the pros and cons and some of this variation um so it's interesting that there's so much uh almost equal split with this group as well but to your point we can clarify some of these questions as we go through um but i just want to mention this is our goal here is to work through these alternatives and have these discussions with the community leading eventually to a preferred alternative at the end of this engagement process thank you for that so lee uh floor is yours please thank you noe i i think i was a little confused on the last exercise um i thought it was a prioritization where did we want to go first second third fourth and so twice i tried to put the regional or the the housing where where you could have little retail uh outlets throughout the the city that people identify with culturally whatever but also i think in half thought for a long time uh that the downtown is uh anemic in terms of uh affordable housing uh retail like super supermarkets and nightclub activity perhaps things like that so sure i was just confused on how how we pulled that no fair enough fair enough and i think that's also getting at the problematic nature of the question as gen was saying so i think we we can do a better job of of maybe you know rephrasing the questions or even like dan said really thinking about what this means uh it's not a one or the other but rather could it be a prioritization uh annette go ahead please thank you i have two comments one is i've heard twice here tonight you saying that the polls were really close but when i saw them the option to put housing throughout the city was double the other numbers in both cases and i think that's reason because there's a lot of people who are concerned about lower income housing getting dumped in their neighborhood compared to other types of housing the second thing is on the first chart you had where you said five percent increase in retail if you're going to have a 50 percent increase in population and a 50 percent increase in business aren't you going to need more than five percent increase in retail great thank you for that comment all right we'll take just joel's comment and then we'll go ahead and move on just in the interest of time and really equity okay apologize steve we're going to come back there's going to be for more opportunities to comment okay go ahead joel yeah well i just wanted to say you know i think in terms of whether housing should be separated from commercial uses it really depends on what kind of commercial uses we're talking about um you know i would love to see every neighborhood have you know nearby convenience stores and and so forth um um you know have at least some kind of grocery store uh close by but um you know if we're talking about bigger commercial uses like codding town for example i mean not everyone's gonna have that in their backyard so i just feel like that the question it's a little hard to answer without being a little more specific fair enough it's about nuance is what you're getting at right yeah what's what type of use is there okay again steve apologize we're going to just move on to the next uh the next the next set of slides here and no way uh yeah thanks and um and i do appreciate those questions and just to clarify our process once we get through these next couple of slides we'll open the floor and just make sure that we can go around to each one of the cac members make sure you all have an opportunity to um share your your inputs on um what we're sharing here and then also ask any questions um and then i just did want to have that address Annette's comment about the five percent increase and these are uh we could get you more information i think that there are links in the workbook that we shared to a technical appendix this is all based on a really um in-depth economics analysis uh so this is information that some economics experts plugged in and came out with okay so this next slide looks now at um the impacts of these land uses on travel patterns each alternative will have similar positive impacts on reducing vehicle miles traveled per service population and that's the um a group that includes everyone who lives works and plays in Santa Rosa um the alternatives will also work to support more trips made via transit walking or wheeling um alternative one would do the best job of this increasing alternative transportation use by 10 percent that's largely due to the really compact design an alternative two and three would also increase active transit trips but to a lesser degree um next slide please noice each of the alternative land use patterns is supported by a unique circulation plan um that would aim to optimize mobility and maximize um the or minimize the uh vehicle emissions alternative one we envision would focus on investments getting people downtown mostly via transit and bike infrastructure improvements alternative two would address gaps in the sidewalk and bike lanes to better connect each resident to their neighborhood center and alternative three would make targeted enhancements along corridors where there are large groups of residents um and um expand the bikes network to make cross town riding safer and easier and with that um no way can you go ahead and administer the next set of polls all right so here's another set of questions for you and again um uh we we want to ask you where should where should we prioritize transportation investments question one and you see the the options here throughout the city uh neighborhood corridors or downtown areas said backwards next question is what transportation invests investments would you like to like the city to make sidewalk uh and crosswalk improvements additions bike improvements and additions to public transit additions public transit improvements additional stops okay let's go ahead and see um did everybody we're getting there at 13 okay I think we're we are there final let's go ahead and close that poll okay let me go ahead and share the results so it looks like neighborhood corridors uh prioritize investment neighborhood corridors and throughout the city uh primary larger retail areas and then for number two it is um you know the the the largest 44 percent is public transit improvements additional stops improvements stop the manatee uh stop amenities etc but also bike and ice and pedestrian improvements and then sidewalk um sorry bike improvements additions and then sidewalk and crosswalks came in with 25 but okay great thank you all right let's keep going so and we will come back to everybody and have a round of comments okay so for our next slide here we are looking at safety outcomes of each alternative for each alternative this assessment looked at where people would live and work in relation to where various hazards exist and so from that we found that relative to the other alternatives alternative one is safest for wildfires floods and landslides you can see that highlighted there in the green um this is because um that alternative pulls the most housing away from high flood risk areas and away from the wildland urban interface which is most at risk for wildfire alternative two is safest for extreme heat public safety power shutoffs and evacuation that's because the development around the community centers best support system wide approaches to circulation for evacuation planning and alternative three is safest for earthquakes and fire caused by earthquakes because it locates the most housing outside of high risk areas for violent shaking from the rogers creek faults in the event of an earthquake I understand that the um the PSPS is a timely event for for you all and we're so we're glad that that didn't impact your attendance today um but next I think we want to find out about what your top concerns are uh no way can you please administer the next poll okay so let's go ahead and do the polling here um which hazard or safety issue are you most concerned about and this is just a single question here wildfire obviously a big one floods earthquakes fire fires caused by earthquakes landslides extreme heat events uh evacuations and power shutoffs okay uh it looks like maybe one or two more people are polling here again this is just the conversation starter folks so what we have is let's go ahead and end that poll and I'll share the results uh wildfire is at 56 percent and then earthquakes at 28 percent and then of course fires by earthquakes so sort of related great um thank you okay thanks so this next um set of two slides here looked at equity um this is the final topical spread in your workbook and equity is really a huge priority to the city and to the community but while these alternatives present key distinctions they're really not so different from each other that we could draw definitive conclusions about how anyone would better advance equity compared to another so instead of trying to do that here the workbook aims to provide a foundational education on the existing inequities across the city so going back to some of these maps looks somewhat familiar um Beatrice's presentation earlier um and we looked at everything from a variety of things um here we highlighted inequities related to um life expectancy outcomes educational outcomes and um the third one here is uh where you cite industrial sites in relation to there's a strong correlation um that and our equity priority communities um so because of that um as Beatrice explained these equity priority communities are going to be a big focus of our engagement work um so that we make sure that we learn from the folks who are most impacted how we can address these issues that affect their health and quality of life outcomes next slide please okay and then also earlier in the presentation today Amy talked about the vision that you all helped us develop um back in the summer and um she shared a vision statement that statement is actually accompanied by a much longer list of pretty detailed ideas related to several different areas of interest like health and housing and social justice and as you can imagine many of those have a direct correlation with equity so we pulled from that document directly everything that the community had already told us they want to make sure is a part of this general plan update and we are reminding you all here that you've told us that this should be a part of the general plan and so it will be so we've just itemized some of these key things that uh we'll be working to make sure that the not only these land use patterns that we're working to refine as part of the alternative discussion but also the goals and policies and um implementation measures that they also work to address equity concerns um and then I think now we are ready to turn over to our equity poll thanks Noe so we have a poll again um what are the biggest equity issues impacting the community today all right so access to education quality jobs environmental risk area and access to health services and support um I think one is missing here investment of infrastructure okay so well I think we have some missing but that's all right I think if we can we can verbalize this again these are just these are just conversation starters but for now let's just go ahead and vote with what we have here and then we can verbalize them afterwards all right so it looks like we do have uh all participants here okay so end the poll and share the results looks like uh quality jobs and uh is leading the pack with 50 percent access to education with another 25 percent okay great thank you for that info all right now let's get back to the presentation okay we are almost to the finish line here at least for the slides and we can get in the fun part of hearing from you all this last part of the workbook really just details how we're going to be working to connect with community members over the next couple of months to get their impact input on the preferred alternative this includes web-based and as well as in-person workshops and activities youth-based events so as Beatrice explained earlier we're really trying to make a diligent effort to ensure that we can connect with all members of the community and I just want to highlight that your role as CAC members and hosting these community meetings is really an essential part of this so we're really appreciative of of you all signing up to be a part of this and also just remind you that we're here to support you so the next slide here is going to be my last slide and really it's just a look back at no I can you advance the next slide please we're looking back just at that side-by-side comparison of the alternatives again you saw this a little bit earlier and you know just to give you a sense of the the different patterns that you see across development in each of these so like I said we wanted to just get your initial reactions to these with oh gosh I want to get your initial reactions these I think we have one more set of polls and and then we'll get into the detailed discussion and we appreciate that these polls are are really just high level and don't get into the nuance that you will be able to share with us later great thank you for that Andrea so let's get into a group discussion what I'd like to do though is just go ahead oh sorry did I skip I skipped the polls I'm sorry about that all right polling question here what is your level of support for alternative one and this is not supportive neutral or supportive just again conversation starter here and question two what what is your level of support for alternative two neighborhood main streets and question three what is your level of support for alternative three distributed housing and finally which scenario comes closest to expressing your vision for Santa Rosa's future all right so let's go ahead and I think everybody has pulled 16 correct great I'm everybody chimed in okay I'm ending the poll here and I'm going to share the results okay all right so it looks like with alternative one most people are neutral at 44 percent some support and some not support roughly equal support alternative two neighborhood main street supportive wins with eight gets 81 percent let's see and then alternative three distributed housing is roughly supportive and neutral equal actually at 44 percent and then in terms of comes closest to expressing your vision for Santa Rosa's future is alternative two with 56 percent then followed by alternative three distributed housing okay great so let's get into let's let's get into some discussion I do want to hear I think it's important that we hear from everybody I know some of you have already expressed some opinions here but I do want to go ahead and ask some of the folks that have not yet participated in any comment here let's see I'm going to call on is it Ali Ali Soto do you have any comments okay Omar how are you Omar do you have any comments that you want to express I'm doing good thank you I think for me really the only thing I have any questions about was if there's been any like an age demographics and how that's being incorporated into these kind of designs okay you want to understand a little bit more about age demographics and how they will impact different groups of people correct yes okay all right great thank you for that Omar see Michael any comments please I don't have any specific comments I think what Jen close said as far as you know the the seems like a discussion that maybe not be fruitful you know I we should support housing throughout the city and also you know focus on the downtown right that's what we're doing right now okay great so yeah I just think you know the the neighborhood corridor streets though is one of my what I like the most and that's because we are kind of a spread out city and you know to have the services close to people's residences makes a lot of sense to me excellent thank you for that yes so you're again voicing echoing what Jen had said earlier about including housing throughout the city not just in one place okay to false choice false dichotomy or trichotomy as she said let's see no way if we have answers to some of these questions can we yeah absolutely quickly yeah please there's probably a more detailed response but Omar in response to your question I did want to highlight that one of the priority groups that was listed when Beatrice presented were seniors and youth so we have looked at least that far in terms of where these populations are more highly concentrated and then following up on that comment from Michael and from Jen I wanted to acknowledge that you know of course housing is a huge issue in the community and again you know these will be distributed I do want to just highlight that if you take a look at the alternative spreads where it shows the block group diagram and the map together you can see some percentages on where housing would be distributed and so you know just as a reminder for folks it's while those are the places that in the focus areas were concentrating housing housing would be also growing across the city it's just about where there might be a larger concentration of it in one place or another that may not fully address the concerns that you all have but I did want to point that out that it's not just about bringing housing only to the places that are highlighted on these maps thank you for that Andrea I want to go ahead and go to Lisa Lisa if you have any comments anything that you'd like to just either chime in about about these alternatives any any comments that you want to voice for the record first of all I wanted to express my appreciation for the process and all the work that's been done I've been very impressed and I am learning so much about my community through listening to everyone and all of the CIC members included my comment is about connectivity and transportation and I was delighted to see that some of the comments from the groups that I've worked with were represented and that within the disabled community they live throughout the entire city and so connectivity with increased routes and bus stop improvements are very significant for them as well as sidewalks that make walking easier a movement easier so that's all thank you thank you for that Lisa really appreciate your your comments and your kudos Mr. Pedgriffe do you have any comments oh yeah you have to be an unmute catch you off guard there yes you did thank you yeah no I appreciate the opportunity and being asked to choose between the various alternatives they were presented it occurred to me unexpectedly I guess as I was sort of talking to myself but I developed a criteria which helped me decide and the criteria didn't have to do with housing it had to do with the use of single occupancy vehicles and I thought the issue of housing was in some way I would prefer a housing distribution I guess which discouraged the need for people to use single occupancy vehicles I would think that a neighborhood or a community works best where you can walk or ride a bike or use public transit to take care of most of your needs you know we we talk about needing housing in the downtown to make it more vital but if you live in the downtown you have to get in your car and drive to a grocery store so there you are again you're kind of in some sense I guess in my thinking there's a hidden villain in all this that we tend to not see and that's what our over reliance on driving everywhere we go to meet our simple needs just to go to a coffee shop you got to drive groceries drive work you got to drive and I would think that we I would advocate that we have a housing pattern which discourages that need or puts the lessons that need understood thank you for that Miss Pedra for appreciate your comment okay let me go back and make sure that I got Erika did I did I already go by you Erika Mcklash Mikesh I don't know I I haven't spoken yet tonight but I don't have any comments thank you thank you for that I want to go back to uh is it Allie Allie Soto did you uh did you come back to us okay maybe not all right Michael Michael Cook how are you do you have any comments on the alternatives yeah I already spoke thank you oh I'm sorry okay Patricia hi Patricia um hi I haven't said anything yet but I think uh the only question or comment is I live in an unincorporated area of Santa Rosa so I don't know if there's a simple answer to why certain areas of the city haven't been incorporated but there's so much space out here that it feels like an easy addition to some of our housing needs um so alternative to spoke to me as somebody who lives very far from all of our services okay fair enough thank you for that I don't know if uh uh Andrea or Dan if that might be a bigger question at this point regarding yeah expansion of the city so so you know I don't see anybody jumping in to answer this comment uh so Patricia I think I'm going to table it just or Dan go ahead if you have well I say I don't think we have a direct answer there's some complexities around people who they're voting to be annexed in and those kinds of things there's a process behind it but it's a really great question to raise because we're gonna hear from the community as well during the workshop so thank you for raising that we'll think through how to integrate that's the process as well thanks thank you for the question Patricia let's see uh Kevin go ahead please any comments or feedback yeah thanks no I really appreciate that um yeah I'm gonna echo Jen for sure um I think it is getting the conversation started we're going to be piecing these together but it's tough to pick one over the other fair one thing I do want to say though is working with with youth um I did notice that alternative three the distributed housing um up to two percent increase share of walking biking and transit trips and as someone that has a young a young child and again works with many youth that just won't cut it so 10 even on the total of one is not going to be enough to where we need to go um and that's you know there's already we've already talked about economists but when we're when we're going to science and common values here we have to to get that number way higher so I think a combination of all these I just the distributed housing um makes me think of the same model we've been going down thus far which has failed us right you want to break the paradigm I get I get Kevin absolutely understood all right no way can I make one quick comment yes please um I think that was a great comment Kevin and one thing I can say that might help make you feel a little bit better about this is that these numbers are all just based on um the existing land use patterns they don't account for yet the kinds of transportation improvements that are in the pipeline and also planned or will be planned as part of this general plan update so I agree there's more that we can do and there's more that we will do as part of this process so that's key right that's key that this is these are the existing rules and this is what it allows and under the existing rules and that's what this process is really about is reformatting re-changing those rules so I think to your your kind of cutting edge here Kevin um let's go to Annie go ahead Annie some of my concerns are are how do you determine so so if you if you say okay we're gonna we're gonna build up this part of the city or or we're gonna have these hubs we can't force grocery stores to these hubs so we're it's kind of an illusion that that we're going to make these little cities that are going to be all inclusive and that these people people will have all their services or a good portion of their services around them what will ensure that that will happen on alternative number two um and and I also feel like with the fires that we've had you know if they start if if if we don't have as many in the coming years it all looks good but from what I've been seeing a lot of people are trying to move closer to the downtown area feeling safer in that capacity so those are my two comments okay uh I think uh your your comment about you know sort of forcing super market forcing the market in general is I think what you're getting at right how how is this going to do that how is that this process going to encourage maybe not force but encourage that um that type of development that we're we're looking for um okay so that is noted let's see moving on to no way can I yes of course I was about to go go ahead okay um so none of this we can't require the housing the city is not responsible for building the housing the city is not responsible for building the grocery stores but we can make it possible and encourage that these uses be developed and really the shortest answer to your question and concern here is that the more housing units you have in an area the more demand there will be for services like grocery stores um so we really see those as driving when you'll see new uh retail including grocery and other services develop in certain areas and what kind of a time frame do you think that would would be to get enough to get enough um community to get enough houses built in an area to actually support these businesses that's a great question I don't have a clear market driven answer to give you an honest assessment of it but I think you know it will take time yeah okay development takes time obviously the rules take time to build and development then of course the the market needs to read that and then respond appropriately so it's unfortunately it's not a you know click of the fingers and get it done but I think your comment about time and encouragement not forcing but encouragement is really important any okay event event go ahead please I'm just going down the line here okay thank you so um I have a lot but I'm gonna try to go through it really try to keep this a sink we only got 20 minutes so some of the concerns is child care policing and fire and as far as the unincorporated areas it takes anywhere from 20 30 years because that's what it took for roles and to come into the community and then also um social justice when we did the poll that wasn't on there social justice in the environment of justice is very key for me equity and housing throughout the city we have a lot of elders just throughout the city so having self-healing hubs and being all inclusive in different areas is the way to go because not everybody can come to downtown and then also rezoning is key in some of the issues that we're dealing with tonight and then of course for me alternative two is the best way to go because there are a lot of people in our community that do not have cars do not have transportation so we have the ability to put something in their area where they can go and shop and be you know take care of their necessary needs then that will be great but then we still have public transit that will allow them to come into city if they need be but we also need to have all of those things in place in order for it to be all conclusive okay thank you thank you great job of being to see you had a lot to say and you kept it pretty tight there at that thank you so much let's see uh moving on uh Jen go ahead please hi thanks i also have a lot of things and i'm sorry if i'm sounding a little salty tonight i'm working hard and no problem i think we're like really headed down in the wrong path and i see in the timeline that we are supposed to make a decision about an alternative in the winter or spring and so i i feel like the whole way we're approaching this conversation is is problematic and i'm going to repeat that because i just think it's it's really important um you know the state has has created this pro housing designation for cities and to get it you have to enact policies in different buckets and it really goes across these things about around ending exclusionary zoning and in single family home areas around developing downtown you know and in terms of Jim Patrick is exactly right that we want to discourage car use and so if we really focus on downtown that's not going to Patricia getting her car less and if we really focus everywhere else it's not going to help me get my car less because i'm downtown and and so this making a choice is just a real really big problem and i would i would really suggest that we like slow our roll here and come back and say how are we framing the conversation like as as an attorney i'll say that the way you ask a question is the most important thing the question you ask is much more important than than uh than anything else is a highest question so i i really cannot overemphasize that and i'm now i'm being annoying and i know that i hear you we hear you the other thing is that when we pick these problems it's got to be a prioritization it can't just be one like pick one that's it's really hard i think to get any meaningful data on that speaking of data when we're and there are a lot of things that weren't on the equity list like i well access to housing was one of them but but but but when when when we or the community are making decisions about what's you know the biggest equity problem i think it would be helpful for people to have some data on our educational outcomes our health outcomes our transportation access our housing access instead of just sort of like what do you think and and certainly folks impressions or perceptions are are valid and important and i think it would be helpful for people to actually know some data when they're going to give give you their opinion otherwise i i don't know how helpful it is um then the uh the other thing is that in terms of like the hazards chart you said that there's no flood uh danger downtown they actually just did a whole presentation about that down in in city council two weeks ago about how there's a huge flood danger downtown and that it might have to in fact you know impact the way they're how much development they will allow downtown or how they're gonna allowed development downtown also should be talking about should we be looking at opening up the creek and so that's just a that's that's an assumption that that's being presented is is is inaccurate gen i i got one more thing don't know so my one more thing so my one more thing is and then i'll stop is is um and i'm frustrated because i go to way too many meetings and i i don't want to spend time in meetings but the city of pedaluma group has met every single month for eight months and this is our third meeting in that same period of time and so i'm not feeling like this is actually uh it's either we're not being taken seriously or we're not or or i do it certainly don't think we have an opportunity to be impactful and so i would just say and so it's frustrating to hear you say try to keep it short when we have two hours because it's because we haven't met much and these are really these are really significant things and this is a group of folks who have a lot to share and whose perspectives are important and so um that and and with that i will i will end and get off my cell box and i appreciate your service and and your time really fair enough gen thank you for your feedback uh really appreciate your voice and everybody's voice here um there there is a lot to get through and i don't mean to you know cut you off or anybody off i'm just trying to make sure that we're you know just equitable in time is my my main interest here also these are these are just your initial reactions what i was going to say gen is that and for everyone if you have more if you want to study the workbook if you want to study the alternatives more you're welcome to do that and provide us written feedback and written comments so ryan please go ahead thank you for waiting patiently that's a tough act to follow a lot a lot of what jen says uh resonates a lot with me being data driven and and thinking about the problems one thing that um i was curious about you know i with the housing crisis i think really this idea of trying to look at all the options to increase housing stocks really important so i'm a little bit troubled by the the assumption up front that growth is is held static at the 38 000 structures in the last general plan and i assume some of these alternatives you know they have are sensitive to growth some you know there's more demand for and less but it'd be good to have more insights into you know what what types of different alternatives are going to attract development and actually build housing stock instead of trying to to to guess that up front okay thank you a little more data driven joel joel did you have any comments no okay uh lee you're uh you're on mute still lee actually that's fine because i don't really have anything else to say from what i've already said except that once again thank you guys for convening this uh tonight session number three uh it was informative to me and it elicited some of the thoughts that um that i share with others and um perhaps some are a little unique in in breaking out the the green parts of that map and i want to encourage you to keep on doing what what you're doing uh yes uh there are things that that make it a little tough in a in a setting like this to uh please everybody and i kind of get uh what some jen and some of the as you're talking about but i think in this setting and i know a little bit about the behind the scenes uh work that it takes to to get here for you guys are and i commend you for that and just uh stay strong and and let's keep moving forward i won't be here 30 years from now but i like the process that you're you're trying to get there thank you thank you for that lea appreciate it uh net please go ahead thank you i have a few comments and i would like to echo what jen said too because i feel like we're you've got a lot of great people on this team who really want to work towards making the best community that we can have and we aren't getting a lot of chance for input but aside from that i'm curious about the the transportation issue because that affects the decisions that we would make here like i like distributed housing but if there's no transportation out there that's not really going to be a liable option viable option right now i've heard from several homeless people or unhoused individuals who say they can't live far out because they have no way to get to the services that they need if all of those services are concentrated downtown then we're going to have a hard time moving those um low end housing to different parts of the neighborhood another thought is that if everything is concentrated in downtown and that area gets struck by some disaster we're going to be in a really poor situation so by having hubs outside of downtown it might be a smart thing to do to have a backup redundancy to services and i also wanted to say i wanted to pick equity on the equity poll i wanted to pick social justice that's the most important thing for me in my community and that was not an option tonight thank you thank you for that annette and thank you everybody for your comments is there anybody that did not get a chance to speak we're trying to really focus on encouraging everybody to to participate and to you know voice their opinion or simply pass okay thank you so much all right let's move on no way can i just add a couple last comments here yes please um so i wanted to recognize that we don't have enough time and i do apologize to address um all of your comments this evening but we will get to them and there will be additional opportunities to engage with you all one thing related to the housing number we don't actually we wouldn't expect that that many units would be developed based on past trends although we certainly could as a result of this set of discussions decide that we wanted to increase that that 36 000 units is more than what i would anticipate being the city's arena allocation over the next few cycles through 2050 so just to keep that bit in perspective and you know again these really just are meant to be a starting off point for a discussion so of course there's opportunity to to move things around and so you know this excited input that you all are providing it's not adversarial to us we appreciate it we want to hear you know what makes you excited and passionate about making Santa Rosa what you want to see in the future and then one other thing is that if you click on the link that was shared as part of the agenda for tonight's meeting it'll take you to the project website where we have the slides for tonight or i'm sorry the alternative workbook right below that is a link to a set of technical appendices and that will go into more detail on the specific research that went into coming into this really brief graphic workbook so for those of you looking for more information i encourage you to check that out thank you for that entra all right so let's get right to it to the last bit of our our last piece last section is the community engagement event set dan if you want to take it over please thanks no way and great feedback tonight again we're just sort of the the daylight and his alternatives and we're still making some adjustments and how we articulate things in the workbook is going to be really key i do want to mention here just briefly in the next few minutes about this upcoming engagement event set but really how we want to get all of you hopefully involved in this event set as well and really weigh in on these different alternatives and different options and as part of any engagement event set this is partly an educational opportunity on just whether these challenges and opportunities and options facing the community and having similar robust discussions on what is the best path forward for Santa Rosa so here are just some goals of this next engagement event set we want to reach the full community and really reach out specifically and targeted to the equity priority communities as we discussed earlier have a range of in-person and virtual events so we're moving towards the ability hopefully to have some in-person socially distanced event it's going to be dependent on COVID protocols we're hoping to be able to do that as part of this engagement event set which we could we were not able to do last time and also have some flexibility in this on having quick discussions if it's pop-up or intercepts or longer discussions as well and getting community input and feedback on these alternatives you know which one maybe reflects their vision the best but then what would they refine or enhance out of that as well also tied to this which we're working on with staff is some key policy choices and this gets to a lot of the health and equity concerns of the community because some of them are not necessarily just spatial or number of housing units or mobility where the city is going to prioritize infrastructure for instance or park upgrades that's funding or operational in addition to it so we want to get some of those components added to this engagement event set as well ultimately all of this you know we had 3,000 comments or over 3,000 comments the last round I'm hoping for over 10,000 comments honestly this round a lot of information from the community to help form this preferred alternative that's sort of the next phase of this project so with that and no way you can just sort of pace through these there's a range of activities that were pulling together from the community involvement strategy a virtual open house so actually an online portal where people can go in and actually engage all these materials ask questions ask comments interactive components so the community can talk to the community actually as part of it as well as the surveys we're planning to have five hybrid workshops as part of this and by hybrid I mean in person but also streaming online as well two in English two in Spanish and as Beatrice mentioned earlier a multilingual workshop we want to get a variety of languages and folks that help facilitate those as well and really think creatively but thoughtfully about the workshops as well CAC committee members you know we had a little bit of a discussion last time around workshop toolkits and running workshops this time we're going to change it up a little bit and I believe Beatrice had this in the email to everyone we would like to have one-on-one discussions with each CAC member in January to present the toolkit but then actually train you how to use it give you the materials you need see if you need staff support you are all liaisons and tremendous connectors with the community so we really are hoping to get you involved at the level you're comfortable comfortable be involved in reaching out to groups in addition we're also going to have some community organization mini workshops so again a lot of variety but trying to reach as many folks as we can the equity priority community sessions so this is very intentional targeted outreach to the communities of Beatrice identifying her presentation you provide feedback on but going above and beyond and being very proactive and reaching out and engaging all communities in Santa Rosa we have a couple youth engagement activities actually are underway right now you probably see some emails on those we're going to sort of re repost those and get more interest as well but trying to partner with teachers local schools the jc and snow estate to get a lot of youth engagement and specific discussions with youth as part of this as well and then city board and commission meetings ultimately and planning commission city council study sessions so a lot of stuff is coming January February March this is just sort of a preview of that and obviously more to come as far as discussions on toolkits and training materials so we're also working to identify some of these sites and locations for the workshops this is sort of a big list of what we're going to narrow down to those five two in English two in Spanish and one bilingual and there's logistical things we're working with right now we're trying to reach all neighborhoods as much as we can and especially equity priority neighborhoods as we do hopefully in person engagement here in January so I remember I mentioned a little bit of sort of the cac member roles and activities and again we're going to we're going to provide you with materials and information on this this is just a heads up at this point but we want you to help us get the word out once we have dates for workshops other events attend these events as well we want your voice you know tonight was kind of a dry run to get some feedback and some understanding how we can tweak this and adjust it but we want you to participate in these events also in addition to getting the word out hold meetings using the toolkit as I mentioned Beatrice and I and others will coordinate on these one on one training sessions we really want to make sure you have the support you need and if we need to pull in staff or consultant team you know we can do that as well and of course you know participating you're all Santa Rosans and this is your opportunity to participate even beyond the cac role and so just a a a primer on the the cac toolkit but we're going to be producing this in digital and physical versions again we're hoping to do physical engagement as long as socially distant and meets all COVID protocols but we're going to be providing each of you a toolkit of materials a project overview fact sheet again the summary of alternatives but sort of a even more simplified sort of matrix of evaluating the alternatives instructions for doing quick workshops and engaging folks these are you know HOAs are involved in organizations community groups again that liaison role is part of the cac and then questionnaires that are simple but informative but people can add in refine things put stickers on it we get a lot of feedback and insights and refinance as well so we really get a robust amount of feedback as we go through this engagement event set just want to pause very quickly here does anybody have any thoughts on the on the event set that Dan just described any any feedback you know what you would like to other types of events specifically okay if you know if you know that slide of each of the different events that's because I went through it pretty pretty quick go go ahead Kevin just a couple comments number one do we have a map or like some way to identify the different all the different neighborhoods in Santa Rosa and then also are there the ability to do tactile modeling like kind of building something with our hands I think that could really help not just you but all of us so those two questions maps our neighborhoods and then also tactile workshops tactile planning workshops sure transforming streets absolutely any other thoughts suggestions or comments great I was just curious what the stickers were well that is the tactile piece so to Kevin's point and we're we're finding and sort of creating it one of the ideas are the stickers the two the two key questions we we talked about this evening is which alternative is the closest to your vision of the future Santa Rosa you know assuming none of the three maybe are perfect but there's probably one that's closer than the other two any participant would get that alternative but the sticker is their ability to change it and modify so what would you change about it to make it more closely resemble your vision for the future and that could be deleting stuff adding stuff so it is tactile the reason for the stickers is one of the issues with COVID is we need to make sure everyone participating has their own physical materials and it's hard to share and not safe to share and the stickers well literally stick to the pages so as we're collecting these materials we're not losing chips or Legos or other things as well so we're trying to think through how we can keep a tactile like Kevin mentioned but also just logistically work with with COVID and some of the parameters we're working with right the the safety and protocol issues are really safety protocol issues really key at this moment so part of that is going to be you know to be determined all right any other comments I have one more question yep um if tonight it was mentioned that there are plans to upgrade our transit system but that's not in here anywhere so if you're looking at option number three where things are spread out people are going to say well that's not going to work because we don't have a good transit system so how do we bring that into the conversation right full data is what you're saying absolutely okay in terms of just feedback for the list of activities anything else that we'd like to have included here all right so Dan if you don't mind oh I do have a couple more go ahead Mr. Pedrif well yes I just I thought I meant just express the I guess what it was I was groping for in my not well-composed response to your questions yet it was hard to make a choice between the alternatives if you didn't fully understand like the transportation that would be available or that would you would expect to find with each of those alternatives that would have helped me choose between them sure so just a broader more precise level of detail of context in terms of data just information that's that that would help you and really the public great thank you so much all right let's get into the the last bit of section here the next steps and all right Dan or Andrea do you want to just walk us through here yeah I'll jump in why don't you just animate these I think they hope they animated an interesting order here sort of organically popping up so one of the first things we're working on and is to put together a detailed calendar of engagement events we're going to share out the CAC as well so one you can see all the different events going on and we'll show up to the community but also if you have additional meetings organizations that you're going to be meeting with you'll be able to add those to this matrix as well and we kind of see as a team all the different events that will be taking place I mentioned we're we're still putting together and drafting this engagement toolkit one of the things we talked about which I think of the discussion tonight all of you sort of echoed is we were thinking with staff and I should some members of staff mention this and putting together a 1 by 17 almost evaluation matrix because there's a lot of data behind all of this quantitative and qualitative as well it's not just numbers but also quality of data as an additional handout or material for the community to understand okay these are the these are the unique differences between these approaches we'll be hosting these these training sessions we may also wrap back around with an additional meeting pretty soon with the CAC as well so just a heads up we don't have one scheduled or booked just yet more of our staff on that but I think it'd be good to check in pretty soon admittedly it's been pretty long gaps since our last meeting and that's understood on our end as well we want to make sure you're fully engaged throughout this process because as Andy mentioned beginning this is a really big part of the journal plan update this is the alternative phase and it's always a really large discussion there's a lot of things to weigh in on but it's exciting to go to the community here next month and really begin these discussions on the future of Santa Rosa so more to come on all of this but we want to give you a heads up on sort of the key next steps here great thank you for that Dan now let's go ahead and wrap up here with any final public comments let's see if you have a public if you have a comment then you're from the public not part of the CAC okay we do so let me go ahead and stop sharing Michelle if you don't mind you have if you can please bring up the timer just one second all the way back okay I think I saw a raised hand uh from Ru was it Ru Ru you should have a prompt allowing you to unmute yourself and once you begin I will start your time I just wanted to say thank you for doing the work you're doing it's critically important to get a broad view of what's needed and desired in the city of Santa Rosa I would like to add two things I think for you to consider there's a fairly large Asian American community in Santa Rosa and a suggestion would be looking at populations in the schools because that's the direction we're headed they're there for example in the Bellevue district um they they have an over 90 percent Latin American population so if that's true anywhere else then it seems like it would be really important to know during the lifespan of the general plan what the population projections will be not what they are today and my second point is one of the better ways to access minority populations or any population for that matter I think Jim will probably remember this is through the schools because people are used to going to the schools and are comfortable going to the schools and so if the schools would be willing to host um outreach efforts in you know timeframes when working people can be there that's a great easy neighborhood focused way to get into those populations thanks very much great thank you for that comment Ru any other comments from the public so you see Josephine Borgeson raised hand go ahead Josephine you have three minutes I have much to say but I'm sure there'll be plenty of opportunities to say it but um one one issue in terms of access is that close captioning on these webinars would be really helpful okay thank you for that any other comments Josephine you're that was it okay thank you for that um other comments please raise your hand from the public so that is all of our public comment for this evening great thank you for that all right so with that we're a little bit over at 808 um yeah would you mind giving just a second I use a lot of community members who would like to talk more about this conversation and who feel that we had a limited time for the conversation that we had so I just wanted to offer if you want us to host another CAC meeting before going out to the community outreach and if this is something that you would like to have we can certainly do that again because I I think that would probably benefit this this conversation okay I sorry Noe I know we're a little over time but I just wanted to to bring that opportunity to the to the to the no fair enough I think that that's a good one it looks like there is a positive response anybody I assume I saw a couple of hands up here so thumbs up so thank you so much for that actually I was going to say pass it back to you Beatriz or Amy to kind of wrap us up here and close the meeting any final comments well our final comments were going to be that we had a deadline for the comments which was December the 22nd which we can still leave there for people who don't want to have an additional meeting and if you want to refer to send your comments to us that's totally fine my proposal was to meet again before we do this community outreach and we were talking earlier Amy Amy Lyle and me to see if we could host this and generate the 12th so if this is something that you're interested we can certainly make that happen and we would just like to know if there's anyone who thinks we shouldn't host this meeting and if you think we shouldn't host it we can consider and see because this is our decision from the whole group and we just want to open that that opportunity for for the group and for the community outreach discussion and I will say we will do a quorum check too to make sure that that date would work for people and if not we can provide some different options but we can continue the conversation on alternatives and then have a more focused discussion on the engagement and the outreach that we like help with and then we also still plan on meeting with people individually or small groups to go through all the toolkit pieces that Dan mentioned as well. Beatriz and Amy I appreciate you wanting to schedule another meeting the January 12th is a charter review committee meeting at the exact same time so that might not be the best day some of us do both and also this is a public thing that we want public eyes on and I would really encourage I'm going to stop talking now I swear if you go to law school and they just tell you to just keep talking until someone knocks you down. For us to meet on a just a standing like a monthly basis otherwise it doesn't feel like we can actually be impactful and that's not a fantastic use of time and so that is just my request. Thank you for that. So the discussion is a date I think we can do this offline at this point if that date does not work I think the other suggestion was to go ahead and do this on a monthly basis which I think also is a good idea to continue you know collaborating and talking with this group but that said I do want to respect everybody's time it is about 15 minutes past our deadline here and I want to just encourage us to continue this discussion offline and set up some dates and set up some monthly does anybody disagree does anybody have a strong opinion to not meet monthly at this point? Right so let's go ahead and I think begin working on that staff if that would work with that Amy I will give you the last word here if you don't mind closing us up and giving us the final word. Yeah thank you so much Noe and for the consultant team just wanted to say thank you all for your time tonight and we will be in touch soon with more information and more dates. Great thank you everybody I hope everybody has a great holiday season and hope you all stay dry have a good one. Thanks all of you. Thanks friends. Good day, Noe.