 There are very, very distinct reports that show where there are, where women are able to stay at home, take leave, or at least have their child with another parent, whether it's a partner or a husband. Their likelihood of depression, post-partum depression, and other emotional issues is dramatically reduced based on both the child care situation, but mostly the leave in the beginning. From our perspective, there are so many benefits to women if more people are taking leave, more men are taking leave, but there are some really practical realities about what that means. One of the icebreakers to get these gangbangers to have conversations with me were often about showing each other pictures of our babies and trading hints on what to do with a colicky, sleepless baby. Who would have thought that would be an icebreaker for guys who just a few months before had been toting automatic weapons and causing untold harm to themselves and others. So Promundo kind of that lesson that banged us over the head was to say, we've got to plant the seeds for different ways of being men, including how do we promote this notion of men doing the care work? We did that for many years as a program approach, lots of stuff, including images that looked like this, the pictures we saw at the beginning from Baltimore of getting men to do practice what it's like with babies or with the child of a sibling, etc., to say how do we get men and particularly young men and boys to do some hands-on caregiving and practice with that.