 The original Brothers Grim crew came out at a time when there wasn't very many non-Dutch readers doing things publicly. So a lot of their work got heavily spread amongst the community, especially the early forum community. Just like DJ Short, I just said, became famous. Brothers Grim became pretty famous. There was endless posts on fucking cubing and how he took the original seed he got from the Jack-O-Rare and turned it into C-99. And the Apollo 11, the Apollo 13, the genius, there was a whole bunch of stuff. So again, when I was going to those parties of Ron's, a lot of the things that were, it was the stuff that was the most common to be crossed with was the Blue family, the White family.