 back to another episode of the Nintendo Prime Podcast. Episode 15. Hopefully you guys had a lovely weekend. We have had, it's Wednesday now, right? So I guess it's the middle of the week. How's it going? We're back, baby. Nintendo Prime Podcast. The OG crew. Oh, mine is Darren. It's back here. We got Eric right here, you guys remember him? Yeah. Probably from one of those E3 long and 17 hour streams, right? 17 hours in that last stream. So yeah, that was an interesting time. I don't know if I'm going to call it a fun time, but it was interesting. And then obviously I'm your host with the most Nathaniel Rumpelgeants. How's it going, everyone? I hope you're having a lovely day. We're going to have hopefully a really amazing podcast for you guys. Just us today. No special guest. Sad day. I know. Which I'm kind of surprised. I had one and they canceled and I couldn't find a replacement. I said, you know what? The podcast has been gone for too long. I know. I'm sorry about last week. Brother from Wyoming is in town that I only get to see every other, everything. I thought they were going to be out of town that went last Wednesday and they decided to change plans right at the last second and so that's why I was out. In other words, he didn't find his nut last week. Yeah, no. I mean, that's the real story here. So we got some awesome topics for you guys today. I have the wrong chat open though with the topics. Yeah. Two chairs. The topics. All right. So our very first time actually, this is a really simple one. Talked about it a bit last week with the special guest I had last week, but I haven't gotten Eric's thoughts really on this at all. Switch OLED. Okay. Like this is the thing that's coming in October 8th. By the way, we're giving away a Switch OLED if you'd like to win. We're giving away the white one that matches Metroid Dread. In fact, you haven't even been on since Metroid Dread was announced. That's a whole lot of things. Yeah, it was. Were you? You were here for that? I was here for three. Oh yeah. See? All my shit's running together in my brain. So I guess you were here for that. I was here for that. God. That's sick. God, E3 feels like it was so long ago. Yeah, I know. I know, right? That's kind of lost. Like it was last year. Yeah, right? It kind of was. My brain must be fried. So, yeah. So Switch OLED was announced. And it's coming out the same day as Metroid Dread. We're giving away a white version. All you guys got to do to enter is just subscribe. Really simple. To our YouTube channel, by the way. If you're listening to the audio version, which you're probably not because I haven't heard of an audio version in like two months. But when this one eventually hits and you listen, if it's not October yet, there's still time to enter. But I want to get your thoughts on it because obviously it's something meant to replace this. And it costs $50 more. It's got a surface style kickstand now. You know what those are like? Right? Okay. It's got obviously no bezel anymore. Right. Basically no bezel. Seven inch OLED display, which I mean it's hard to give opinions on until we see it in person. There are videos on it out there now, but compression and everything doesn't necessarily do it justice. There's nothing like seeing screens in person anyways. And then it has a new dock with rounded corners now. Ooh, rounded. And it has a lamp port now, which I guess the hope there is that it's actually a one gig lamp port. So we actually get better internet connections for online play. Because I have the actual internet or online presence to actually, you know, support things like that. But, you know, sorry, I didn't go there. Yeah, you didn't go there at all. I mean, hey, the new Mario Party coming up is going to have killer online, so we'll see what happens. But yeah, so there's that. And I want to really get your thoughts on it. I've talked about it. I had a guest talk about it last week. But what are your thoughts? If you want to know, obviously I don't think it's a system you're going to buy. But maybe I'm wrong. But I was hyped right away. I was definitely planning on getting the pro, whatever it was going to be called. Now, you know, just seeing what it is and, you know, the hype kind of, the hype train out did this one, where, you know, talks of 4K upscaling, things like that, so much things that they could have done. I almost kind of feel like Nintendo kind of didn't quite go as far as they possibly could have with this. So to me, it just seems like, yeah, the screen is going to be nice. The kick-scan upgrade is going to be nice. But I mean, is that really enough to get me to buy a new one? I don't think so. I mean, maybe it will be once I see yours. But I just don't. Yeah, and you actually play in the Intel. Yeah. Like almost exclusively. So like this is kind of the upgrade that's aimed towards you because everything about it, I mean, besides the Gigabyte LAN port on the dock, is literally aimed at handheld players. It's a better handheld experience. Right. I mean, it also helps that it doesn't, I mean, I play, but I don't play a ton either. Religiously. Right. So that's another reason why it's kind of like, how do I have the money to do it right now? Do I not? Do I, you know, it's kind of one of those things. You want to get an Xbox Series X so you can play back for blood? Yeah, that. Yeah. But that's. I already have a switch. I know. I know. I know. If it wasn't, if I didn't already have a switch. Well, I'd be slapping you after playing that E3 demo in 2016. I would have been like, how the hell did you, unless you have a Wii U. Right. I'd be like, okay, if you have a Wii U, I'll give you a pass, but then you missed out on Odyssey. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Mario and Rabbids, the new Mario and Rabbids come. Yeah. Well, no, yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Compared to Hype, which I know is not exactly what Nintendo said, because Nintendo actually didn't really say anything, but it feels like they could have did more. And that's the kind of the part that disappoints me a little bit to a certain extent. And what part disappoints you? Just that they could have did more. So like this isn't the pro. Right. That's what you're upset. Like not upset, but like disappointed, which for some people is worse than upset. When all I know is when Yulia, my fiance, looks at me and goes, I'm so disappointed in you. She's like beyond enraged. You're in the doghouse. This is not upset. This is just, I wish they would have went a little further and did a little bit more because there were things that were, I believe, achievable. And you know, it just didn't feel like they put 100% into it to upgrade it. It just felt like they kind of did as little as they possibly could to come up with a new version to sell to people. That's kind of what I'm feeling. That's the part that kind of, not mad, just, again, disappointed, which is, for me, is less than mad. So I get you. I think everyone that was looking forward to a new switch was a little bit disappointed that this wasn't like the new 3DS or like the new Nintendo switch, you know, or a DSi or whatever you want to call it. Just at least, even if it was the same chipset, like running at base clock speeds instead of clock down, because it's clocked down a lot. And modders have proven the switch can handle running hotter than it does now. So the switch can handle better clock speeds. So it could have, at least if they were going to stick with the Tegra X1, bumped it. And that bump would have smoothed out some of the frame rate issues and la-di-da, you know, move on with our day. But they didn't even do that. That would have been like the bare minimum. I think some people would have wished they would have done. And technically, you could argue, still could do. All that is, is just literally releasing a firmware update that enables it. So it's not like they can't do that in the future. It just doesn't seem like they're going to, unless it's possible. Obviously, there is a point of how hot it gets to be comfortable to hold. And it'll be interesting to see if they change the cooling in it. When I get mine, I'm going to be taking it apart just to look at the, look and see what they, what they changed about any, if they change any of the design on the inside. Because I'm curious, like, did they improve the cooling? I have no idea. They're using a different fan. I have no, I'm, I'm using vapor chamber. I don't know, I'll just find out when I open the thing. Yeah. But it's going to be really interesting to see how well it sells, because I essentially look at the Switch OLED is, because it feels even we're calling it Switch OLED, because technically it's just called Nintendo Switch. OLED is in brackets at the bottom of the box. It's not even part of the title of the system. Yeah. Which to me means it's supposed to replace this. Right. And the only reason it's not replacing this now is because this thing keeps selling out. Right. Because of the pandemic, still, ship shortage, this thing keeps selling out. Not necessarily the light model, but this one, I mean, nowadays, the sales have slowed out a little bit since Switch OLED was announced, of course. People are waiting for that. But it's one of those situations to me that are we disappointed because all the hype built up for the pro. That definitely has a part of it. Or are we disappointed because of how they name this thing? So they call it Nintendo Switch OLED. I mean, again, in brackets. Everybody's doing that. They necessarily are. But I mean, and it's weird that Nintendo has a tech spec mentioned at all. They never talk about technical specs. So it's kind of crazy that they have something on the box about it. You know, like when you see the 4K or the 8K on the PlayStation 5, on the box, it's like, OK, you're not really going to be doing 8K here. But hey, whatever. It's a marketing term. Well, that's what this is, except, you know, Nintendo doesn't do that. They don't focus on those kind of things. So it's weird to see that on the box. I think they may have learned a little bit from like the Wii U thing where you kind of have to with some some people. You have to show that there is a difference between this version and this version because with the naming convention, like the Wii and the Wii U, there were a lot of people that were confused, like, oh, so this Wii U thing works with the Wii, right? No, they're completely different things. So, you know, it's kind of another one of those things that I think if they didn't specify that this is an OLED, people are going to think that it's the original switch. So I was thinking this system is basically a switch XL. Bigger screen. Yeah. Yeah, it's also a better screen, but it's a bigger screen. Yeah, there's other little changes, which I mean, the kickstand change I think is actually a pretty ideal for a special. That was one of the things I don't care about tabletop mode. I know my kids play it a lot. So having an actual kickstand so they can stop propping this thing up against things is nice. And I think in the few sparing situations where somebody might be on a plane and want to set it on a trade, that's actually a kickstand that might work in that situation. I'm not saying that I would. I plan a plane sometimes and it's, you know, I just hold it in my hand. But, you know, on longer flights, it might be six hours, you know, maybe get some tiring plus, you know, this is something that they didn't fix is like when you're on a plane in a situation where you might want to set it on there, while you also might want to charge it, planes offer outlets and USB outlets and everything to charge, but it's on the bottom and you can't prop it up. So that doesn't really work. It only works if you hold it in your hand. So I kind of wish that they would have added basically a USB-C on the top and the bottom. Like an actual charge point. Yeah, just because of multiple devices, lots of laptops these days, you can plug your charge on either side, but through the Thunderbolt port or USB-C port. So that would have been nice to see that change, but they didn't do it. But I think if they would have came out, would you be as disappointed in this platform if it would have came out and they would have just called it a Nintendo Switch XL? Because that's what they did with 3DS. No, I know, I'm just I don't like XL, because XL just sets the expectation that it's the same system for the bigger screen. That's it. That's all XL means. Yeah, I mean, because here's why I say this. I say this because it's setting up for the fact that when you look at the history of the XL branding, they went, they went with the DS, DS Lite. OK, so we got the Switch, Switch Lite. Then they went DS XL and then DSi, which ended up being the more powerful one. OK, to give a more recent example that makes more sense is when they got rid of the I and actually did, I don't know if it's better branding, but they went 3DS, they went through DS Lite and then they went 3DS XL and then after 3DS XL came new Nintendo 3DS. And that was the more powerful one. And they did a Nintendo 3DS XL, 2DS, all that stuff. Yeah. The way the reason I say that is because if you think about that history, then it would have been Nintendo Switch, Switch Lite and Switch XL. It would almost confirm that a new Nintendo Switch, a more powerful one, still coming. Now it's one of those. Is this thing even coming? Like now we're a lot wondering, yeah, is that happening? Or is it going to be next gen? Whereas if they call this XL, it's like, well, that's just following the same pattern as 3DS, like obviously XL comes before you get to the more powerful. And by the way, that still might be happening, right? You know, just because they're not using the XL branding and they're pushing the screen, because I mean, while we've also hyped on them for constantly using the same name. Yeah. Yeah. And but I've never had a problem. XL XL was the one I was like, that makes sense. Yeah, XL. OK, it's bigger. Makes sense. Yeah. Like it's like a number. It makes sense to people like worldwide. We understand that. Lite, I always thought was weird that they went with LITE. But you know what? Whatever. It was kind of understood. OK, it's a smaller like it sort of made. It was that new Nintendo. It was the DSI, which made it feel like it was an Apple product. I think they made. Well, that might be what they were thinking. I don't know. And then they had and then they had new Nintendo 3DS, which made people think, is this like a next gen one? No, no, it's not. Yeah. But that new branding them was used and abused by Nintendo a lot over the years as well. New Super Mario Brothers. New Super Mario Party. You know, new, new, new, new, new, like new Super Lucky Sales with 503. That was Nintendo's idea to put new in the title. Yeah, because it's like it's it's the old game. But then it's not the old game and there's new content. And there's this. What should we call new Super Lucky? Got it. That's what it's like. Yeah. Nintendo's in love with that new branding they used to be. Yeah. And I swear, they might not be done with it. If they do release a quote unquote Switch Pro in the future, calling it new Nintendo Switch would not be shocking at this point. Although they technically only used it for one generation of hardware, although they've done multiple gens of games using it. So like because I know for me, if they were to just call that XL, that it would have just been OK, that's expected. Like, I know we're all looking forward to the park, but then drop in an XL before that. I mean, that's par for the course. They did that a year before the new 3DS for sure. So it'd be like, oh, they dropped this now. OK, cool. You get the bigger one if you want it now and you're cool. Or like, wait for what's probably going to be a year from now, the new one. And like this XL, what happened with the 3DS XL? I just replaced the base model a year later. So like, OK, cool. So I see the I see the strategy. OK, so you then you see the seven inch screen, which might this still might be the strategy. But you see the seven inch screen, you see all these improvements. All these are going to be on the new Nintendo one. But they just wanted to make sure it's also on the base model, too. So they're going to replace the base model before they were, you know, give you the more powerful one. So why is it 350? Well, probably because hello, this thing was selling out. So they're going to keep selling this for now until they're ready to bring out a more powerful one. And then they'll discontinue this, drop the price. Yeah, yeah, some people in the chat just going off. Our mods are here, they're taking care of. So like, so yeah, drop the price and kind of move on, you know. I don't like, what are your. It sounds like the branding was going to change your. No, I don't think so. I think the this was a victim of ourselves. No, the height, well, a little bit of that in the hype train that got up before it and Nintendo. Not really saying a word about anything. I do think some of it's on ourselves. You have to blame ourselves a little bit, just as people. Yeah, because even like, yeah, I make videos and all that. But when we look back at what Nintendo is doing, obviously, you know, I ended up not being that upset about it. But when I look at all the rumors I covered and all the reports I covered, so Takahashi Matsuzuki, a lot of people were leading really having it heavy into the guy reporting from Bloomberg that gave us all this. And he's the one that kept making it sound like it was one system. Whereas Digital Foundry and multiple other like credible leakers out there were saying, no, like in like, Nate the hate. No, there's two platforms coming. It's not just like, OK, Switch Pro is real. It does exist, but like we're not there's two of them coming. There's like an XL type of model coming and that's going to come first. And like all other people were saying that and we all were just kind of like, yeah, but Takahashi Matsuzuki saying it's all the same thing. So we're going to go with that because he works at Bloomberg and he's really credible and he was right about the Switch Lite and he was right about the internals on the base switch before we knew what was in it. So like we look at it as he was he was at the top of the credibility pile. So everyone else who's also credible below him. Yeah, but you're not you didn't nail everything like he did. So you're wrong and he's right. And I think that comes down to us as individuals choosing to ignore the mountains of other people saying, yeah, there's two devices coming because if we had thought this whole time, there's two devices coming and one is going to be like a 3DS XL. And that's going to obviously come first because it would be weird to release that after the more powerful one comes out because it's using the old hardware. That doesn't make sense. Right. So unless they did the upgrade and then the XL of that upgrade because if we lean into that on our podcast and everything else and be like, yeah, but we've got to remember this room. And you'd be like, OK, this gets announced. Oh, that's what it is. Oh, well, then maybe I'm not so disappointed because I was like, OK, we expected it. Whereas we're like, no, because we kept leaning into one guy. And to be fair, Takashi Matsuzuki, I wish that he would have. He's basically said nothing about this publicly. I wish he would have like came out and like acknowledged that he was either wrong or that he personally just assumed all of the information he got was about one system and then realized, oh, maybe that's not the case. Maybe it was to this whole time. Now, I have a feeling he's going to acknowledge that eventually if there is a more powerful same generation switch coming like next year or whatever, I do expect him to eventually come out. And when he talks about new information, hasn't it? Acknowledge that he mistakenly put it all together. But it doesn't change the fact that that's not what happened. We leaned into the guy. Yeah, we believe there was only one platform coming that it was going to be more powerful. And what we got is this with a better screen and a better kickstand, which is fine. But also if you own a switch today, it's not like especially if you play docked mode, I mean, what is there for you? A LAN port you can buy the dock separately if you really want the LAN port. Yeah. And I know there's dongles, but we've been over how dongles that are running on USB 2.0 speeds. So it's not actually even close to as good as this would be. Assuming that this LAN port is a gig. No one was able to test the LAN port. They weren't letting people do that at the preview event. So we don't know. I'm just assuming they would put a basic gigabyte if they're going to put a local LAN port, it'd be a big. By the way, I think this is the first time that Nintendo has a local LAN port on their platform. Yeah, I think I don't. I think it's taken like two decades for them to actually put a LAN port on their system. Yeah, I think in the box. Yeah. Like, sure, you've been you could put a port on your game. Yeah, when you bought a separate attachment. Oh, you can have one on your Wii U, on your Wii. Yeah, with dongles. This is the first time they put an actual LAN port on. Holy crap. Was the was the Wii only or did that have the Wii was wireless. Now, OK, I was going to say that had a wire. I was going to say, was that wireless? Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely possible. I don't I don't really know what the much about the actual Wii U like actual Wii U is dongle console. Yeah, we use dongle. I knew I knew about the handheld part of it, but I didn't know it was it was dongle. Yeah, that's top part of it. So yeah, for wired. Yeah, that's that's pretty nuts for two decades since like online gaming really got popular with like Halo and Call of Duty and all that on like on the Xbox and then later everything else. Me, it was always popular on PC, but for home console and it took this song for Nintendo to put a LAN port on. Great. Now, now, the exciting part is all future Nintendo systems that can work with your TV should have a LAN port. You know, you know, you know, they just added it. It would really weird if they took the future away. I would not be surprised. They gave us Miiverse, which was great. And then they took it away. They gave us Virtual Console, which was all right. It's kind of sucked. It didn't transfer yet and rebuy games. And like, yeah, we can get the whole Wii mode. I understand all that, but for the most part, Nintendo was kind of a mess going gen to gen with Virtual Console. But at least we had it. And they took that away. And then they gave us a switch online, which sounds good in theory till you realize there's significantly less games five years in than there was on any other virtual console. Well, yeah, that's also part of the reason why you probably didn't need a LAN port because there's not much to play online. So I know you're dreaming on Nintendo Switch online, which isn't good, but some of the most popular games on Switch. Use it. Yeah, I know, I know Splatoon 2, well, Splatoon 3 coming out next year. Yeah, obviously Smash is a huge one. Mario Kart best selling game on the whole platform is massive online. So it's just a fun joke. Well, it also is because like the online was better on Wii U because we didn't have friend codes. There's that. And it actually just used account names, which was great. It's like, hey, we have a modern account system and online free. Nope. Let me get a switch and hey, you want you remember friend codes from like the Wii and 3DS? You're like, they're back, baby. Oh, the thing of that me versus social network that was really, really cool, that might have been actually good if it was on a platform that was popular. Yeah, you know, we kind of kicked that one to the curb. Why didn't we why didn't we make a meme of the shining with friend codes with the accident? Oh, God, the shining with the accident or yeah. Oh, my God. So obviously, you're a little disappointed. Yeah, I'm not going to pick it up unless you see mine and you see me play it once in a while. And you're kind of like, OK, that is much better. That like makes the games because there was one preview. I think it was on The Verge, which I know people laugh about The Verge because I love their PC building guide that was hilarious. This was like two years ago. I thought, God, it's been two years since that PC building guide. Yes, go. Oh, my God, I'm getting old. So you look at what they're doing with the switch OLED. There was that preview that said it almost looked like the difference in the screen quality and the vibrancy of the colors and everything almost looked like it was a more powerful switch just because of how much the games pop in comparison like when you held this switch next to it, you're just like, well, this is night and day. Yeah, like once you see it, you don't want to go back kind of thing. And maybe that's what Nintendo is relying on with this. And to be like, yeah, OK, people might not be super excited until they see people with one. And they're like, word of mouth gets through. Like, dude, you thought you played Breath of the Wild. Have you played it on an OLED? Yeah, maybe. Now, some people say, oh, yeah, I played it on my OLED TV. And that's fine. Some of you guys do have OLED TVs. I don't have any. I do have an OLED device. My iPhone has an OLED screen. I don't game a lot on it to really know, especially console like games. And then I don't have an OLED TV. So that you kick that to the curb or any OLED monitors. So I personally don't know a lot about OLED. Haven't experienced a lot of OLED. I've seen it just not in my own house on the daily. So it's one of those. It's possible that once I see it on here. Yeah. OK. And similar to the LAN port, one thing to be excited about, now that they went OLED, how do you ever go back in the future? So it should be an OLED future, LAN port future. You'd figure. You'd hope. You'd figure. You'd hope. Again, here comes friend code. It's what they ask. But yeah, so you obviously still are interested. But like, at least right now. Yeah. And obviously, you already own a Switch. It's not more powerful. So you're not going to get anything better out of it. I always forget to mention it does a 64 gigs more storage. Or like, it has 64 gigs of local storage. So now I think every game that's ever released on Switch should be able to be played digitally downloaded. It might only fit one game, because some games are pretty big. But I think every game ever released on Switch, you should be able to run it without having to buy an SD card. Which is a big deal, because that wasn't true on this one. Right. And I haven't. Especially for kids. Even though you've got to keep on installing and reinstalling. It doesn't matter. It's kind of a big deal that you buy NBA 2K and you can't run it on your local storage if you bought it digitally. You have to buy an SD card. And I would love to see them pack in at least a 128 card in the box. I think I have a 256. Because they did a 4 gig with a 3DS. Why couldn't they just give us something? I'm not saying 4 gigs. That's nothing. But for 3DS, it was something. For this, pack in an extra 64. So people start with 128. I don't know. They didn't do that, though, so. Of course not. All that we know of, because we haven't seen any. Well, we've seen the box, and we've seen what's supposed to come with it. So there's no SD card or micro SD card. But yes. You haven't seen the box? No. All right. I can't show it on screen for you guys, because I don't know if you guys heard me. When I was gone on vacation, one of my main monitor actually kind of the one monitor I don't want to go down is now down and being repaired under warranty. And I got to wait a week or two, with a new panel coming in. So the monitor we usually have right here, that I could hit a button and switch to and show you guys stuff. I can't do that right now, because that monitor is now over there, and too far away for me to be doing stuff on. But I do want to show you this OLED box. No, there we go. Like, mm, open up. Or not. Or just take me to a website, sure. Yeah, why not? Sure. This is great. All right, this is the way the internet works. Oh yeah, do you accept cookies? If you say no, the website closes. Do you accept what it just asked? I don't know. Oh, will you turn off Adblock? No. OK. Sub-sites will just kick you out. Yeah, right. So that's the dock. Yup, the rounded corners. Yup, the rounded corners. And then the lamp port in the back. There's that. There's the kickstand. Yup, that's the whole up on the kickstand. That's what it should have been from the beginning. Oh, there were the box. Right there. So now it's like a tall box instead of a wide box. And as you said, see, OLED's down on the bottom. It's separate from Nintendo Switch. So it's like OLED's on. There's a marketing point, but it's not actually part of the system. And as far as we're aware, the Joy-Cons haven't been improved. That would have been one thing where we got people crazy if they came with fixed Joy-Cons. But again, that would again give them admitting that there was something wrong with them to begin with. And are they still on that bandwagon that there's nothing wrong with them? Well, they have like 30 plus pending lawsuits. So I would say they're still on that bandwagon that there's nothing wrong. OK. Even though they kind of acknowledged it and then they quickly backtracked when the lawsuits came in. Yeah, right. Oh, yeah. Kind of sort of, hey, free repairs in North America. Lawsuit hits. There's nothing wrong. Yeah, right. Yeah, no. There's no design flaw. We're good. Yeah, right. It's just on the same average of any controller that's ever existed. Oh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's why it's called Joy-Con Drift. And everyone knows about it on the internet because it's just normal. I believe that one. It's normal if you want to switch. I believe that one. My shit turns purple. It's normal if you want to switch. Yeah. Someone mentioned, because the Tetris effect was announced today coming to Sweden. I don't know if you've ever played it. You can play it on your phone. It's really good. It's a really fun game and it's gorgeous. I'm not going to Tetris. I am not going to Tetris at all. It's gorgeous. I think we were playing Puyu Puyu Touchbites and you were born to Puyu Puyu. Yeah, I was way better at that. Anyway, so yeah, it looks gorgeous. And it's coming to Switch. And I just keep thinking that on OLED. That would be. And people are like, I have OLED TVs. One thing I will tell you about OLED, and this is true of any TV really, is the Switch, when you dock it, can run at 1080p. Most of our TVs that you probably own are 4K. At least you bought a recent one. Maybe you're still using the old one that's 1080p. But even games aren't really running at 1080p. OLED, obviously, besides being a really cool technology. So if you have an OLED panel, it's probably 4K. There was very few people who bought OLED when it was only 1080p. It was too expensive. So you OLED, it's probably a 4K panel. And the gaming isn't going to look good anyways. It's going to be really blurry, trying to take a 1080p or a 900p or even a 720p, whatever it's outputting to your TV, and upscaling that. It's just not going to look good anyways. But on here, we're games, even at 540p running on here, it's such a small screen. The pixel density is so shrunk down that it's going to really pop. See, that's what I, excuse me, that's what I expect. That's what the previewers are telling me. Now, they could be over hyping that. I don't know why though. Yeah. Well, I mean, what do they care if it sells? Yeah. Well, maybe they got it back door deal ads from Nintendo. Yeah. They're not supposed to get paid. Yeah, right. Yeah. So I guess, speaking of media. Yeah. This isn't really a media thing, but there was an interview that happened at VentureBeat, aka the games beat sections, the video game part of VentureBeat. And they interviewed JC Smith, the senior director of consumer marketing for Pokemon, for the Pokemon Company. Nice. And, okay, Pokemon, you know, we don't talk about Pokemon much on here, neither of us really play that much, but what's the one game we're kind of curious if they're going to pull it off? Legends Arceus, right? Obviously, Pokemon Snap got it, been there, done that. By the way, I know you haven't done it yet. Oh my God. They just added a free update to it that added like flying, and I'm just, this is, Oh crap, wow. I'm telling, this is, if you loved Pokemon Snap as a kid, the new Pokemon Snap is like 10 times better. It's insanely good. Maybe, you know, maybe after the podcast, you're sitting down and playing for a little bit, see what you think, but I'm, it's really good. Yeah, I literally, they nailed it. They nailed it. I could not ask for Pokemon Snap to be better than it is now, and then that update, you're like, that update just came out of nowhere, the amount of content, and oh my God. Anyways, it was free. That's all. Pokemon Company never gives you things for free. Wait a minute, are they sick? Free! They're following Nintendo's lead, which is, thank you for that. But, because I thought the game was complete, so it wasn't like one of those where, oh it feels like it needs content, like some of it was Splatoon, and you're like, oh, it needs those content updates to justify the purchase of the game. No, Pokemon Snap felt complete, the new Pokemon Snap, and then they did it anyways. So, so like happy surprises. Thanks. So anyway, JC Smith, oh sorry, Games Beat asked JC Smith, we also have Pokemon Legends Arceus coming out next year. When do you think we'll hear more about that, because guess what, we still haven't. Since the reveal. Remember when we reacted to the reveal? Like, it's been like five months, and we still have not seen the game again, and it comes out in January. Oh yeah, okay. January 20th. Which then leads probably... So literally, when the hell are we gonna see this game, we're here about it again. It's coming in January. Yeah. It's like it doesn't exist. Has it been a commercial? Has it been a trailer? Has it been nothing? I would assume within a month. I would say middle of September at the latest. That's all right. Well, let's see here. So JC Smith responded by saying, that one, we have a robust rollout. Okay, which by the way, the Pokemon company always kind of rolls out the red carpet for almost every game they release. It's just when are they gonna do the rollout? Cause it comes in January. The rollout can't wait till January. I think it might start in December. Just the marketing aspect of it, because they might wanna let the other Pokemon games release first in November and then hit you in December. Now I'm not sitting there gonna wait that long to see it. I'm just saying that the actual regular, like a trailer a week, dev interviews, all that I think won't happen till December. But here's what he said. So that one, we have a robust rollout, but not a lot that I can share at this time. But the team has a lot of great things to share and you'll be hearing from us soon. As always, soon can soon be- Soon is relative. Soon can be next week. Soon is relative. Soon can be three months from now. It's relative to what they compare soon to and we never know. Now what we can say is soon probably means not a year from now, cause the game comes out in January. So it soon means sometime before January, for sure. This has led to people to believe because that's not the only game they have to talk about. We have another, we have Pokemon remakes or deep, no, not deep makes. They are better looking. People are just like, they're not what we want. They're still remakes or remasterings or whatever you want to call them. They're coming out in November and they aren't even talking about those yet either. So it's kind of like, clearly they have a lot. They need to start talking about what Pokemon and then you talk about it soon. And again, we thought three Pokemon percents before E3 didn't happen. Then we're like, oh man, maybe they are gonna advertise it at E3. Didn't advertise it at E3. Oh, maybe they're gonna do it after E3. Didn't do it right after E3. I still haven't seen anything after E3. It means switch all that. Maybe it's supposed to be announced before E3, maybe not, ended up not. Then people thought, oh, maybe at E3 it wasn't. And then like a month later, boom, here it is. Okay. Well, it's been more than a month and we still don't have boom, here's Pokemon. Right. But now we have this guy saying, but you're gonna be hearing from a soon and in particular to Pokemon Legends Arceus, which would be weird if we're gonna hear about that soon but not the other games that come out first. So to me, it's each kind of hint, hint, can't confirm till we announce, yeah, there's a Pokemon presence coming in, it's gonna come soon. Like, yeah, maybe by the end of this month. Yeah. No, that's just- Because we just got to Indie World today, which we'll get into in a bit. Just got to Indie World today. And then we got, you know, potentially based on the history of Nintendo, a direct next month. Because that's just traditionally, September's had a direct like every year about one. And it's always with the Indie World in August, direct in September. So we'll see. But the Indie World happening now kind of really hypes up the fact that, okay, probably get a direct next month. But they don't really talk about Pokemon games and directs. Right. So if that's gonna happen next month at some point, even if it's still naturally end of the month, at some point, which there's gonna be, just because they got to market stuff for the holidays anyways. There's gonna be another direct anyways. Okay. Pokemon presents got to be between there somewhere. And it's the 25th anniversary this year of Pokemon. It's like they did the 25th blowout and they gave us those and we just haven't heard from them since like Pokemon company doesn't exist. It's weird. It's weird. They have two major releases coming out in the next five months. We haven't heard anything since they were announced. That's pretty nuts. So like, yeah, I get the marketing rollout. It's gonna focus a lot more on the games in November probably than Pokemon Legends arcades at the moment. But Pokemon presents is gonna have new info for us. What Legends Arceus is, is if you're mad about these games, we got this one. This is our justification for not doing what you expected with these games because our team is working on this. We outsourced this. So like it's trying to be like, yeah, okay, this isn't what we've done before with other remasters, but that's because we're not the ones making it. That's kind of a, we need money this year because we're used to getting money regularly every year. So here's our release. Okay, yeah, maybe it's not the greatest, but it does look better. And you can even play the originals or they're your favorites or here you go. And by the way, if you're not into it, it's cool. Just wait till January. Just wait for two months. And we'll give you the big open world Pokemon game that you've been dreaming of since you were a kid. Some of you guys probably still are kids and never even thought, maybe you've been hoping to be open world this whole time when you were a kid because you grew up in the world of open world. We didn't necessarily grow up with a bunch of open world games when we were kids. It wasn't that common. Quest 64, you had obviously the original Legend of Zelda. There wasn't a ton of open world games back in those days. And now it's like any sort of action adventure game that comes out feels like it's open world. So do you think we're gonna Pokemon presents this month? Let's go with this month. And what would be expectations if there is going to be one? Besides, I guess, I don't know, what do you wanna see? Like what do we need to see from Legends? Game Boy. But we saw Game Place. Like what do you want in that gameplay? Like what would be the, well, let's start with, do you think it's coming this month? I would say just after Labor Day. Just after Labor Day? Okay. So beginning of next month. Okay. So you think beginning of September? September. Yeah. That's fantastic. Okay, beginning of September. I was thinking beginning of September. What kept thinking Labor Day school? Yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. So yeah, first, second week of September. Okay. Now, for Legends arcades in particular, since that's what this question was about, what do you wanna see from that gameplay? Like, because you remember the old gameplay, right? Improved gameplay, because it was super jittery, if I remember correctly. Like the frame rate was not good. So improved frame rate, like actual better, like quality gameplay than what we actually saw. Maybe some of the new features that there are in there, more of the new features. Because I know we did see the more open world kind of sneak up on the open mon. The kind of cinematic. Yeah, exactly like that. But actually, keep it out of the cinematic world, go more actual full, like a tree house type gameplay would be nice. That, I mean, I would love that. I don't think they're gonna do that. They usually don't, until XF-83. They haven't done anything this open world or this ambitious to Pokemon since like Pokemon. For the very first ones. Because the first ones weren't that one. Well, I mean, obviously that's, but it's the first one, so it's ambitious. Oh yeah, you're talking about ambition. Yeah. Little bit of some fans would argue with you there's other games that it doesn't matter. But this big of a change in game. It's a Breath of the Wild change. Right, it is. We haven't seen Breath of the Wild since the very first Legend of Zelda game. The very first one, they haven't. Well, I guess the Zelda II was kind of that way too. But besides those ones, it had been a long time since the 80s, since we had seen it. And here we go. Here it is in modern day. We've never seen it in a 3D Zelda game before. So that was a big deal. It was a huge change. It really caught people off guard, especially how the story was told. Like guess what? The story in Zelda I and Zelda II were told in the manual, so. Right. Like that's the last open world Zelda we had and you read a manual. They don't really give you those anymore, so. Or Nintendo Power. Or Nintendo Power. Or Hyrule of the story at this point now. But, okay. So that would be really cool to see. What gameplay? Okay, so let's say they show us footage. It doesn't look jittery. If I look at this smooth, I'll probably get a 30 FPS. Whatever, it's smooth. It doesn't look like it's dipping or chugging. That is a big thing a lot of us I think want to see. Because that was always our, we're really stoked about this, but also man, that was the other one. If this is what we're gonna keep seeing and keep, it's gonna be actual gameplay. Well, remember like, when we saw it, I don't think either of us thought it was coming January. Yeah, right. Because we didn't have a release date at the time and it's really weird that they gave us a release date with no new footage. Yeah, right. Right before E3. Right. It's like, okay, we have release dates for these games, no footage, not even new screenshots. Yeah, right, yeah. Why? Why? I don't know. I don't know what the Pokemon company's doing right now. Why, I mean, rolling in their fat stacks. Oh yeah, for sure. What they're doing. Pokemon go alone, they're just rolling around. Okay, so yeah, let's assume that the gameplay looks smooth though. Like they finally polished it, it looks good. What else do you want to see from it? Like we talked about before, like this open world concept, like the Pokemon game of our dreams. But what's in the dream besides just having an open world? Like what do you want to see? Because remember, like it's still Pokemon that we fell out with. So what about this besides it just being an open world makes you want to play? Like what would you want to see to make you be like, okay, yeah, it's open, free exploration, but I don't know, that's the thing. I don't know what I don't know. That's the problem. I don't know what I want to actually get me back into this. It'd be nice to see, you know, we see like the sneak up on the Pokemon, we see the things like that. It'd be nice to see some other newer ways of catching Pokemon, newer, the newer aspects of this game. You know, to see more of it, to see are there gyms? Are there, what's in replacement of gyms if there's no gyms? What's the point of the game? Besides, you know, catching Pokemon? What is kind of it, you know? What if that is the point? I guess, I mean, that's one reason we were, I mean, the gym badges were cool, but I've got to catch them all. Well, they are. But then also the Elite Four was the final goal. Sure, sure. What, you know, what's the champion? Right, what's the motivation behind the character in the game? I want to do it before you are a trial. I mean, yes, that there is that. You mean an ass face? No, I'm not. So, I don't know if I'd like this, but I kind of, it didn't look like this is the direction it was going, but I would like to see the open world be actually open. And what I mean by, you engage with a Pokemon and you're battling it with your Pokemon, to weaken it, but other Pokemon could potentially run into you and be attacking you while you're in the midst of that battle. So it's a truly open experience, like in Breath of the Wild. Yeah, no, it's not. You fight a guy and other guys might end up coming up and attacking you while you're already fighting somebody else, because that's just the way it is. It's an open world. It's not, the combat is not segmented. And I get that there was a point where it looked like he was throwing the Pokeball in the open world. He was crawling through the grass and he threw the ball, but the actual combat, it's always been this turn based and like, what if it's not that? What if it's not turn based? Like, what if it's action oriented? You could actually have multiple Pokemon coming at you. Like if you're attacking like a, I don't know, a Pidgey or whatever, and it does a call out and all of a sudden there's a flock of them coming at you kind of like themselves. Like, you know, and all of a sudden you're face on me, all of them you gotta decide is it worth trying to catch this one Pidgey or do we get the hell out of here? Like, you know, and I would be, I know this doesn't, I don't wanna say death doesn't happen in Pokemon because it does, at least in the animated series. Yeah, it's all fainting. But like, what to be interesting if there was like punishments for like, you, okay, I got my Charmander out here and I'm trying to catch this Squirtle and I'm being a dumb ass and the Squirtle kicks his ass and it actually dies. The flame goes out and it dies and it's like, wait a second. Yeah. I just lose my Charmander. Yeah, that'd be. Holy shit. That would be. Like dark soul the shit out of this. That'd be a dark turn on this. Well, it's more so like, I don't think they're gonna do that part but like I would like to see some open world concepts besides just, okay, we have free exploration. Yeah, but when we engage, once we're engaged, once we're in combat, let's not do traditional Pokemon battles because that takes you out of it. It's not really an open world. If every time you encounter an enemy, it takes you out of it. I mean, it is. That's the way old games where you'd walk around in an overworld and run into a random it, but like, we're past that now. We can see the enemy. So like it should, I feel like I would like them to incorporate that. I don't know that they're going to. It didn't look like they were leaning that way but it wasn't like, I go back and watch that footage and I go, okay, they're not doing. They didn't show enough of actual combat for me to really know how it's being done. Probably still turn based, but is it? I don't know how you wouldn't do turn based though. Really? Have you ever played like pocket and tournament? No. It's a fighting game with Pokemon. Or just smash and have Pokemon go against each other. Why do you have to have turns? Why do I have to wait for the person to call out an attack before I decide what I'm going to call out an attack? Like when you, I know that in the animated series that that's traditionally how it goes, one person calls that, but not always. Sometimes it's more dynamic than that. And then sometimes it just says screw you. I always felt like I get the turn based thing. And I'm not saying the series overall should go away from turn based. But I do think like having a side dish to the series that is drastically different and makes it actually feel realistic, like real combat, not just turn, counter turn, turn counter, like actually have to be action, basically an action oriented version of Pokemon versus turn based. I guess like an action RPG instead of just an RPG, turn based RPG. That's what I, I think that's what I hope to see from this in addition to the exploration, because then that makes the world really open. The world is really your oyster then. Yeah. Because anything can happen. That'd be cool, that'd be cool. No, I don't know, it's weird of course about Pokemon games of course, is that the character themselves don't get attacked by anybody. It's like, what's the risk to the character? Yeah. But in the animated series they do. Chastity and James can blast it off into space again. But it's not just them, like Ash has been electrocuted, like in the animated series the actual people in the world can be attacked by Pokemon, but it can't happen in the games. I know they'll do a pretend, like oh this person, not really. You walk around the world, you're not getting attacked, your Pokemon are getting attacked. Yeah. So what would it be interesting if like you don't have a Pokemon out, like all your Pokeballs are put away and you're like, oh I'm just gonna casually run up and pet this Ponytile or whatever. The Ponytile's like, I fucking hate you and just kicks you and your character goes flying. I mean, it's not gonna have breath of the wild physics, that's not gonna go that far. But like just, like having the Pokemon actually physically attack and actually be able to hurt you. That could be. Like that's a massive change. That could be interesting. Yeah. Instead of it being like, oh you engage, like yeah that works in tournament. Oh you're engaged, now do your turn based combat. Or like I'm running around and I'm an idiot and I stepped on a Caterpie and now it's fucking pissed and it fights me. And it comes after me and it keeps coming after me. I don't know. And like I don't know what you do cause like. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever seen the NPCs fight back against the Pokemon. Yeah. I mean, how are you gonna fight back against Razor Leaf? Like Razor Leaf, punch? Oh crap, you cut off my arm. Well. Sucker. Like oh, that didn't go my way. Like Pokemon are scary, man. That's why they haven't had them attack the NPCs. Cause like, dude, Pokemon themselves are scary. The Pokemon world is totally under, all the Pokemon hate me and capture, they hate this, they hate that, then they would be killing people. Oh yeah. I'm sorry, have you met wild animals? They kill people. Don't mess with them too much or they will eff you up. Yeah. We've had a couple super chats, looks like. Yeah, I see one. I don't know if we know. There was another one up earlier. I saw it, yeah. Oh, two of them. Yeah, a couple of them. At least I know for sure. Oh yeah, there's a blue one in here somewhere here. Logan LeBlanc. He's just happy that Eric and Nate are back together again. E3 flashback. Oh God, no. QWAR flashback. So the shots I'm doing for the super chats today, we're doing a little Rosada Moscato d'Asti, AKA I am completely out of beer. Did you say pussy? I said bless you. Oh, so you say pussy then. I'm going to gold slogger out. Oh, so don't be messing with me. I got some real shit. I just don't have any like drink drinks right now. No, no, no. I said, you were like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like bless you. Cock to kilo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll get a one port up of this, a wine. And then we had another $5 super chat come in from taker610 who says, OLED is a Drew Holiday layup when we really wanted the two-handed stuff from Giannis. Yes. When did we first hear of the NX? Cause switch to gotta be 2022. Oh my God. The NX we heard of in, the NX name was first rolling around in reports in 2015. Yeah, that's the earliest we heard about NX for more than I can recall. Someone might be able to find an article from 2014, but I'm pretty sure 2015 was the earliest. But I mean, that's a good analogy like, cause Drew Holiday, especially in the playoffs was missing some of those layups. Oh God, yeah. So it's like, you never knew if the layup was going to go in. So it's like one of those, is switch OLED good or not? I don't know. I mean, we should know, but we don't. Yeah. Well, we really needed this. But like what we really wanted was Giannis throwing it down with a 50 piece in the finals. And closing things out and giving us the domination. That's what we really want. I mean, come on, it's what we really wanted, but that's not what happened. I mean, this happened, so at least there's that. So we say, I mean, Drew Holiday made some layups that helped that happen. So like maybe the switch OLED is the Drew Holiday layup that needs to. The Giannis slam. Or maybe the Giannis slam is just going to end up being next gen. Could be. And we just like, okay, yeah, it sucked, but then look what Nintendo did. $300 and we have a 4K switch. Yeah, that's crazy. And it's not because of the DLSS, it actually is native 4K. I don't know if that's going to happen, but. You're going to go back to chipmunk voice here on your own? Maybe. No, if I did that in the chipmunk voice. Oh God, you would blow everybody's your drums out, yeah. I'd be breaking glass. Yeah. All right. So thank you guys so much for the Super Jets. So yeah, I don't know, I'm pretty, I'm cautiously optimistic, but also, I mean, do you like the ideas I presented for the game? I don't know, like it's just. Yeah, no. These are on top of my head. I didn't even think about this ahead of time. No, absolutely. No, that's a, those would be interesting additions for sure. Just to be able to attack, yeah, multiple at one time and things like that. They have multi, I mean, they've had multi battles in, You mean two Pokemon at once? Yeah. I think that they've done that before. But they've never had one where you're sitting in the middle of a tech, a battle, and all of a sudden, a new one kind of enters in from a different, like, yeah, type of thing. But no, that'd be definitely interesting. What are you thinking that the Pokemon presents is going to be done? I think if there is going to be one before the Nintendo Direct. Do you think it's going to be this month? I think it's this month. I think they'll want to do it one. Pokemon has appeal to everybody, including kids, do it before school starts. So let me rephrase mine a little bit. I think it's going to be right around the Labor Day weekend. So either slightly before, like that Friday before, or like the Tuesday after. Okay. That's when I'm kind of that timeframe, I think is just right before or right after. All right. And then again, we don't even know if it's happening. We just know this guy from the Pokemon company said we're going to hear about legends Arceus soon. I don't know. Yeah. Don't know, don't know what it means. I'm not them. So today, and this is my, we want to get your phone out. Cause I don't know if you see today's indie world. I know. Yes. You want to get your phone out to at least look at some of the highlights. I don't know about games. So today we had an indie world. I was playing in the live stream it, but I honestly was sleeping while it happened. So it is what it is. Yulia's parents had the kids for part of today. So I just literally slept through it. But I did, I did watch after the fact. And honestly, it wasn't anything that like, there have been other indie worlds where I was really impressed with the game shown. This time around, I just thought it was just, it was okay, except for one announcement, of course. Axiom Verge 2, which we hadn't heard about for a while, literally released today. Out of nowhere. I knew it was happening and it released today. Shadow Drop in the middle of that indie world. And I thought that was a really, really great announcement just cause we've been waiting a long time for the sequel to Axiom Verge. So I have it come out and drop today. That's a big deal. The rest of the games, I mean, again, I don't think any of the games look bad. It's not like I watched it and thought, you know, this game looks like shit or this game looks like, like Nintendo is very choosy about what they put in their indie worlds. And so they almost always look good. They just, none of it really interested me. Like some people, you know, asked me, you know, after it happened, I got some DMs like, hey, you know, what do you think of the indie world? I didn't really say anything. And they said, you know, are you even into indie games? Well, I think that's a fair question. Cause like, I honestly, on my channel, obviously don't cover a lot of indie stuff, right? Like I don't, like when there's big news on an indie game, unless it's something like maybe on the bigger side, like a No More Heroes, which is funded by Nintendo, I don't really, you know, or like when we had... Octopath. Octopath, again, that's not indie. That's Square Enix. Oh, yeah. So, but like... It just feels... Try to think of a... It feels more indie. No, the, what is it? A golf story. Oh, yeah. But again, that was building off of my personal hype for Mario Golf. Which one are we supposed to see as a golf story? Right, that wasn't even in this. We're waiting for that. To say people were hoping we see a Hollow Knight silk song. Think of that. But like people ask me, you know, are you an indie? I'm like, I go through my list. Like here are my most recent played games. And this should give you an idea of how many indie games are there. So I got Monopoly. Played with the kids. Smash Bros. Skyward Sword HD. Yooka Laylee, which technically is an indie game. But obviously, if you're a Banjo-Kazooie fan, you can understand why you maybe check that out. Splatoon 2. Super Mario 3D All-Stars. Mario Kart Live Home Circuit. The Super Nintendo app. Snipperclips, which was a launch indie game. But again, Nintendo paid for it. When are we getting to Snipperclips 2? Pikmin 3 Deluxe Demo. My kids want to search that one because that demo doesn't work. Nice. Maybe that demo still does work. I don't know why they didn't just play Pikmin 3. Because they probably didn't realize. Super Kirby Clash. Mario Kart 8. Yeah. And like after Mario Kart 8, it's Yoshi's Crafted World. Pokemon Quest, Breath of the Wild, Mario Golf, Animal Crossing, Battle for Bikini Bottom. So like, Port Ralph 4. I don't know if you can sort of add an indie game. Like, I don't play a ton of indie games. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy some. Overcooked, Overcooked 2. Love Overcooked. So much fun. Like, I enjoy indie games when I play them. It's just, I think there's part of me that, I think what happened with me with indie games is, I have, like you, limited time to game. Yeah. So, especially now that I'm a parent, three kids, I'm in college and all that. So like, I'm really busy. So when I do game, I'm probably gonna spend my time playing the big games I haven't finished yet. Because by the time I'm done with those big games, there's more big games that I haven't finished yet. One game that you should try. I just played it on PS5 this last weekend here. Moving out. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you were excited about that game last time I moved on. That game was freaking awesome. You were excited about it. So I'm not surprised that that game is really good. So like, that's just one of those situations where I personally don't play a ton of indie games. But I think it's just a time thing. You might be like, well, indie games are perfect for time. But I wanna play the big ones too. Like, and it takes me so long to get through the big ones that I just don't have the time. So I feel like, I almost feel like indie games are almost a younger, like, even though it's weird because they should appeal to people who grew up with games, right? But I almost feel like it's a younger person's thing. Like, if I was 21, 22, in college, no kids. In the world. You know, I'm just focused on college, no kids. And I'm playing, you know, back to playing 20, 30, 40 hours a week of video games. Like, okay, yeah. Cause I'd probably be done with the big games really quick and I need something to fill my time. So then I would play more indie games. Yeah. But since it takes me so long, like, a Skyward Sword, I'm not even halfway through yet. To be completely honest, I haven't even opened it. But I do have it downloaded, I do have it purchased. Nice. So like, I'm not even halfway through it. And it's probably gonna take me another month before I'm done with it. And it's like, that's just my reality. And by the time I'm done with that, I mean, guess how other games are out. You know, we got WarioWare coming out. Yeah. You know, by the time I'm done with that, I'm gonna try Dread. So like, there's enough big games that come out often enough that I end up not really needing the indie games. Now some people prefer indie games. Yeah. And that's fine. No, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with indie games. But man, I need a drink. Oh my gosh, where's my water? My outer water? No, I'm not. Sorry, folks. You know, it's having confidence because I have a dry throat. Way to go. I need to wet it up. I know, I left my drink sitting over there. Oh yeah. So like, I haven't had any in the drink for like two hours. Right. Your four case or your four pack? Yeah, let's not talk about the amount, dude. Yeah. Anyways, so, I don't know. I mean, you just had a chance to glass some of the game. Anything kind of stand out to you at all? Because like, I think indie games might be more interesting to you than me. Even though you're in a similar situation because every time you have you here and you react to indie games, you seem to be really excited, like moving out. Yeah. You know, and stuff like that. You seem to get, even back from blood, I think is an independent game. Back from blood, yeah. Dude, that looks freaking sick. You know, I don't know if this is the... That was in it. Eastward, yep. Oh, is that Eastward? Yep. Okay. Yep, Eastward, that comes out next month. Okay. That was the one that ended the drug. That one looks cool. Yeah, that was the one that ended the drug. Man, I see the obligatory indie world. Oh, there's the Tetris effect. Yep. So people are pretty excited about that one. Even though it's been out on other stuff. Loop hero. It's really good. Interesting. Oh, that's Shovel Knight. Yeah, there was a, not traditional, it's like a puzzle game, Shovel Knight. Oh, it looks actually, yeah, not what you said, it's like a bejeweled. Yeah. Almost looks like... It's kind of like a puzzle game. Where did I see... Oh, the metal slug. Obviously you gotta have some sort of metal slug. Although it's like a tactical. It's like a tactical. Yeah, it's a tactical. Yeah, tactics. It's literally metal slug tactics. No, this one isn't. Someone said the Jet Set radio clone looks cool. Doggy mentions that Minecraft was an indie game and I don't like playing Minecraft, so... I mean, I was big into Minecraft back in the day. I wouldn't call it an indie game anymore. Not anymore. Microsoft. Definitely. They have five. It's way different than the original game. But yeah. No, I mean it's... Indie games, there's absolutely nothing wrong with them. But... Well, besides the bloat bloat indie games, but... Bloat bloat, explain. The absolute shitloads of shit that used to bloat the store of absolute trash indie games. You mean that still bloats every store? No, I know. Like that hasn't gone anywhere. No, I know. Have you been on your phone lately? Go look at latest releases. No, I know. But that's what I'm saying. There's nothing wrong with indie games except those. Those are plenty wrong with them. Yeah, they make up a majority of releases. I know. And make a pissed ton of money because people don't know them and to see what the hell they are and then get sucked into one purchase and then go, oh, shit, this is stupid. Done. That's all you need is the one purchase. You're good. So earlier we talked about Switch OLED. We talked about how it has 64 gigs of internal storage. I didn't spend much time on it, on that part of it. But I think it's interesting that Nintendo's adding it. Because I kept thinking, I've thought this for a while, why is Nintendo adding extra storage? Like I don't, you know, like only 32, that's not that much. Like why? Why even bother at that point, right? Like just to justify the price point, that's the only thing I could think of. And even then, it only cost them a few pennies to add the 32 gigs. So like really does that matter? And then Sam and Hunter said something earlier today. My thought was really interesting. And it's related to the reason Nintendo might be increasing it. So it says, one interesting aspect. This is directly off of Sam and Hunter's Twitter account. For next year, it will be crucial for several releases. It will be an increased present of 32 gigabyte game cards. Until now, they were used very little. They did exist. There's like, I think five total games on Switch that use them. Both because of the price and because Switch needed a microSD for game sizes larger than 25 gigs. OK? Because that's about what you have available after the OS and everything on your internal storage. All right. So from 2022, with the release of Switch OLED, Nintendo will no longer have limitations on a maximum size for a game. By the way, that's a bit of a misnomer because you can argue the limitation would just be the upper limitation of 64. But again, that's neither here nor there. That's just me being like, technically, that doesn't mean there's not limits. Yeah. Anyways, I mean, I could drop a terabyte game on there. And I'm sure it'd break. I mean, there are terabyte microSD. Yeah, but then there's you need more than that. You need to terabyte because the terabyte would have redundancy and you lose like 200 gigs of it. I told you there is a limit when there's a no limit. The cloud, baby. The cloud. Play it in the cloud. Then it's zero. It's like a few megabytes on my Switch. Anyways, it's going on to what you said. So it says, Nintendo will no longer have limitations on a maximum size for the games. It produces in major releases like the sequel The Breath of the Wild and Xenoblade. So Xenoblade 3, she's talking about. Will take advantage of it to create even bigger games. With the increased production costs will also decrease, bringing third parties closer to releasing their titles in physical format or even bringing in new games not yet released. Now for third parties, that's been a big criticism. Like even when they give you a physical card, it's like an eight gig card and you download 30 gigs of the actual game to play because it's not all on the cart. I'm 30 gig by carts, by the way, I've been around since the beginning, but they were really expensive and they weren't mass produced. But if they're gonna be mass produced, which brings the cost down, she brings up things like The Breath of the Wild's sequel. You know, taking advantage of this increase in space. Like the original Breath of the Wild was 13.4 gigs on switches. I think this is before the DLC. So I keep thinking, like if it's going to use the this game and future Switch games from Nintendo are gonna try to take advantage of the increase the 32 gigs for a standard cart. What happens to these games because 32 is like double the size of basically, cause we got, let's just say 14 gigs, or you want to round to the nearest five 15 gigs for Breath of the Wild, probably with the DLC is probably close to the 15 gigs. So let's say, so they doubled at the 30, right? So you have a 30 gig Breath of the Wild too. Like what does that even mean? Like I'm trying to process this. Yeah, it can mean better assets, by the way, being made for the ground up for Switch, it can end up having slightly better resolution, maybe there's a better texture or whatever. I have no idea. I mean, I thought the footage looked better than the original Breath of the Wild, but again compression, but I have no idea. We won't know until we see more of it. But like they added the sky. And like this is just one game. It makes me think like if Sam and Center is right that the reason the increase of the 64 is because they're gonna allow bigger game sizes on cartridges more often and Nintendo themselves is gonna be doing it, which is the shocker because Nintendo usually has small file sizes. It's like relative to the size of the game, their file sizes are like Breath of the Wild's massive but it's only 13.4 gigs, like what the hell? People are always shocked, like 13.4. Look at some of the other open world games that have smaller worlds and they're like 100 gigs, okay? And I get resolution, everything. But I mean, Breath of the Wild double the size of it currently is. Like that's insane to think about. I mean, that could be also, I mean, like. If you'd even just go stay. Like have Nintendo games been limited because they've been unwilling to use 32K cards, I guess is the question. It's possible. I mean, it's definitely possible. But I mean, you look at the, if you say you're going to 32 now and let's say they have the whole world as it is now. So that's your 13.4 there. Let's say they double it again for the sky world. I mean, that's what I'm like, the two separate worlds. I mean, that could be almost 26 gigs. And we can't forget, there's some stuff happening underneath. I mean, you've got an extra six gigs to possibly play underneath. I mean, I know you're not going to go completely up to the 32, but I mean, you can hit 28 pretty easily. I'm sorry, I'm like just imagining. Because you already have a game that's more than double the size. You already have the base map, which we've seen is 13.4. If they up the assets, it might be, like you said, 15. You double that, you're at 26 to 30 because of the sky and another underground, you know? And like not even just this, like you mentioned zero by three, which obviously is another kind of global world style game that could use a lot of stuff up. I don't think it's between three is the kind of game that would be like on a 32 gig cart. But it's like crazy to me that like if Nintendo is going to be using them, that obviously means they're going to be mass producing them because they'll have to make them in the millions. Oh yeah, that's true. Especially for Breath of the Wild too, they'll have to make them in the millions. So that would obviously open up the door to third parties using them more often. Because again, most of the reason they haven't is cost. Not because they didn't exist, but because of cost. And by the way, Nintendo did tell us at one point there would be 64 gig carts. Has it happened? I haven't seen any game even use one, but I don't even know if they exist if Nintendo's even manufactured one. I don't know if anyone's requested they do. They can. But setting that aside, just going to where a lot more games are willing to use 32 gig carts, including third party, you know, I don't agree with games haven't come to switch because they didn't have 32 gig, like she mentioned, oh, games that weren't coming to switch because of it will come now. Like, I don't know about that because modern games on like PlayStation 5X but series X are like 60, 80, 100 plus gigs. But I will say that it does take the games that we currently, like NBA 2K, there's a shot that NBA 2K next year would all be on the cart. That would be really cool. I don't think it's going to make more third party. I don't think, like if I'm a third party developer, I'm not thinking, oh, we can, you know, money wise, we can only afford like the 16 gig carts. We're not going to bring our game over because people have to download the rest of the files. In a world where you have to download and install anything on every other device, on your phone, on your PlayStation 5, on your PlayStation 4 and Xbox, like everything we play on but switch, or I guess a leap pad because they still made physical things, like literally like everything around us, you have to download stuff. So like, I can't fathom the third party, like the makers of, say, GTA, Grand Theft Auto, are like, we can't bring GTA 5 to switch because we're not going to be able to afford to use a 32 gig cart. One, they could afford it. But two, oh, because it's not standard, we're not going to, we've already seen third parties that bring their games over anyways and then it's let you download the rest. Like that's not been, I don't think that's actually been a deterrent. Because look at the environment we live in. That's like saying, oh, well, you can't bring it to PlayStation because when they put that disk in, guess what? We didn't put all the data on the disk because we have a day one update that's 20 gigs. It's like, okay, so like, how can that be considered? Like, the first time I read that, I was like, I get what you're saying, but I also think that's asinine and stupid because of the world we live in. Nobody is not putting games on Switch because it doesn't fit on a cart. Yeah. Games nobody don't fit on the damn disks that they're putting. So like, there's a lot more. So like, they're not releasing games on PlayStation 5 because the whole game's on on the disk. Like this is a, to me, an asinine comment. Maybe it's just our personal opinion, but I do think there is some logic to say, like I kept thinking, why is the Nintendo just adding 32 more to it? Like that doesn't fix the problem. Like it doesn't have enough storage. Doubling from 32 to 64 does not fix the fundamental fact that you're still gonna need to have a micro SD card. It doesn't change the fact, if you own a Switch, you're gonna need a micro SD card at some point. Especially if you buy, even buying physical games. Say you buy nothing but physical, but you buy a lot of third-party. Again, a lot of third-party do require the download. So you're gonna need more space. But if the reason is because Nintendo's own games, because I don't think Nintendo's released a single game that doesn't fit on the internal storage. So Nintendo's own games, like Xenobot Chronicles 3, Breath of the Wild 2, will no longer fit on internal Switch storage. Like if you buy it digitally, then well yeah, you need to have more storage on there to accommodate that. And then yeah, you're gonna be using bigger cartridges. So like just logically, it makes sense. That's why I read something on the screen. I'm like, there's probably some truth there, but I think it's just logically correct. But also illogical to say that we're gonna get more games that we weren't getting before because of it. I don't think there's any, like maybe it is true. Maybe she's right and all of a sudden we're gonna get the flood gates are gonna open. And that's why we haven't been getting Call of Duty. That's why we haven't been, I don't, I just don't see that. I don't see that. I don't think that has a- I would see maybe an influx of maybe some- Especially when you think about the comments from a lot of these game developers that are just like through the platforms too weak. It's got nothing to do with the internal storage. They don't know what to do with the cartridge. Not a single developer's like, oh, because of the cartridge size, we're not bringing it. No, they've all said, because our game runs like shit on it. We tried it, it runs like shit. Moving on. Yeah. Like that's been the consistent comment. Like they don't want to downgrade their games to a point that to them, it just doesn't look good enough to be released. It ruins their vision for the game. Right or wrong is that maybe. As much as we could say, well, Activision is a huge company. They could have made a Call of Duty exclusive for them. They could have, but they didn't. Yeah. So like, and the bottom line is, there's a reason like somehow we got Black Ops 2. On Wii U, we got nothing on Switch because at the time the Black Ops 2 came out. People don't wanna talk about this. Guess what? There were still versions of that going on the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3, which the Wii U is comparable to. To bring those games to here. Guess what? Now we're on PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X or S. And guess what? The Switch isn't even comparable to the systems that came before those ones. So like the reason we don't get all the third party games is because they don't wanna downgrade their game. Not because Switch can't run them. Actually, you can downgrade anything enough to make it run. But they don't think their games look, they feel like it ruins their vision and that it wouldn't just to do that and to try to make it run okay. Like if you're making Call of Duty over which runs at like 60 FPS and you wanna make it run at 60 and you gotta downgrade it a ton. And they probably just don't think, look, but the downgrades and it's just not looking that great. We don't think the sales are gonna justify us doing that as well. That's just the business perspective. So there's the business side and then there's the developer side. This is, ah dude, we tried it. It's just, we're not willing to make those sacrifices. That's two completely different games that you have to maintain. Yeah. Basically. The current gen and a Switch version. I mean, that's two completely different. Yeah. Completely different versions. The new gen's are probably similar enough that it's, if not identical. Well, the thing is like the Call of Duty coming this year, like it's built. Well, it'll probably look really great on PlayStation 5 and PlayStation Series X. It's being built on the old engine that runs on the old platform. They're not actually fully moved over. It's more like it was built for PlayStation 4 and built for Xbox One, but like we'll take advantage of the power if you're using it to create, we'll give you a 4K texture pack. We'll give you this, we'll give you that. No, maybe it hits 120 FPS or something, but like it's not built for the ground up for those platforms is what I'm trying to tell you. It's still being built for the old ones because guess what? There's like 119 million PlayStation 4s out there. They're not just gonna ignore that while people are unable to pick up PlayStation 5s. So like, that's the reality of that situation why those platforms will continue to get those games because again, that's the majority of Sony's fan base isn't on PlayStation 5. So they're not gonna just miss out on, like it's like Madden this year, probably looks fine on Next Gen. I don't know, I haven't watched any footage yet, but I mean, it's still being built for the old gen first and then with the additions added just like last year, which one thing I gotta say about Madden, which we might actually have to check out this year's version, they touched franchise mode. They made significant changes in the franchise mode. Yeah, I know that's what I'm wondering too. Well, one of the things that they changed won't be added till September. Okay. They said it's coming as a free update. It wasn't ready in time, but like put it this way, why one of the things- It's not like they do a whole lot to their game anyways. Well, as an example, you can hire coaches, assistant coaches and I think trainers and they all have skill trees and you get to level them up and there's like special events that happen between player and coach. Like we've seen in the past, like, oh, this player is hot. Like, you know, if they get like two touchdowns. Okay, yeah, we've seen stuff like that, but I guess it's even more in depth now beyond that for individual player development. What? Are we actually gonna have that show? Probably not. Do we actually get it? But to be honest, to be honest, hold on- We recapped show. So to be honest, I love those by the way, right? So I have NFL 2K5 and it ran on the Series X. So I was playing it before I sold it because I'm like, I just gotta do it just one more time. And I'm like, okay, this is cool. I gotta be honest. It was really cool back then. Today, the halftime show and the post-game shows are just kind of lame. They weren't really that great. Back then it was revolutionary. I think it's one of those, if they had advanced it to modern times, it would be amazing. But nobody's done it. So like, I don't really want that show brought to current Madden. But it's kind of like we're complaining about a feature that hasn't been around in 16 years and it wasn't ever in Madden. I know, but still it was. And let's be honest, how often do we just skip anyways? Even when we're trying to watch it. We're at the Super Bowl. We're trying to watch the warm-ups for the Super Bowl. We just accidently skipped. Trying to watch the post-game to see if they changed the celebration. Skipped. And then it turns out when we finally remembered they didn't change anything. But still, it's kind of like, we end up skipping it most of the time anyway. Or we're more interested in the gameplay. But yeah, there's gameplay to be, I don't know. That's obviously getting a whole new territory because Madden's not coming to Switch anyways. But which again, that's not like another game just because they're increased cartridges. You're not getting Madden because there's bigger cartridges. No. You're not getting Madden because they don't think it's gonna sell. They tried it. They tried it on Wii. They made literally dedicated arcade. But they did try. They tried to make a Madden for Wii. And it didn't sell very well. It sold well enough to get, I think like two or three versions. But after that, it's not making. It didn't sell well enough. Okay, we can talk about how it wasn't real Madden. It wasn't simulation. They went all arcade. It was kind of like NFL let's style. But what didn't really go all the way. So whatever, we can talk about why it didn't succeed. But bottom line is they tried to do that. And then they tried to do, okay, fine. We'll give you Madden on Wii U. Oh wait, except we're giving you last gen version. Again, yeah. It's like we didn't really give you full efforts because screw you, our unprecedented partnership's over because this isn't the platform you told us it was or whatever the case might be. I'm like, and then we saw them try to do a full version like on 3DS and it didn't sell very well. So like they have this history of where we can argue they never really gave their best efforts, which is EA. So I mean, that isn't that true when it's every game almost every game they make. But besides like when, you know, Disney's pissed at them. So then we get the last Jedi. So we finally get a good one. Thanks Disney. Thank you Disney for actually, thank the fan base for getting Disney involved in that backlash over a battlefront too. Cause that's what led the last Jedi. And I think squadrons, which was really good. You know, there's gonna be a last Jedi too, it sounds like. So now let's say Star Wars games are on the up and up plus they lost their exclusive partnership. So thank you fans for that backlash. But I find it fascinating. The NFL just needs to learn. That that statement exists. I just, I mean, can you imagine that a third party's like, oh, the cartridge isn't big enough we're not coming to switch. I just, no, I don't, I don't see that. Yeah. I guess either bigger cartridges being more common cause they're made more. I can't 100% guarantee that's not a thing, but I just, I, I can't. I can't see that. Yeah, like, let me ask the crowd. Like, do you guys honestly, like, what do you think is deterring us from having full third party support? I'll give you two options. Is it because the cartridges aren't big enough to fit the full game? So they have to download a bunch of data. Run a pole. Or I could run a pole. Or is it because this platform here, you could argue is more on par with an Xbox 360 than an Xbox one. Yeah, I mean. I mean, it is more, by the way, this is more powerful than an Xbox 360. It's, it's so like, it's like, it is, but it just feels like when you play games out of this closer to old than new. Yeah. Which again is still pretty crazy that this is more technologically advanced like then the spaceship that we sent to the moon. I mean, it's absolutely nuts. And that thing kicks the shit out of this. Yeah. But. But it doesn't get the kind of normal console games. Like, oh, you have Call of Duty, Call of Duty Mobile, which is not as good as normal Call of Duty. Right, yeah. For sure, for sure. So I, I don't know. Like, I just think that's not what it is. Now, do I, do I think third parties will start to use 32 gigabyte cartridges more if Nintendo's using them? Well, duh. If they're available. Well, I mean, they've always been available, but they've been expensive. Right. And a huge reason is because they're not really mass produced. Right. Because not enough, not enough games use it. But if Nintendo games are using it. It's, if it's financially feasible. Correct. Correct. If Breath of the Wild 2 is using it and they're making 20 million of those suckers. That means they're being mass produced, which then means third parties are going to be more likely to use a mass produced cartridge size. Because it's going to be cheaper. No, I don't know for sure. I think more third parties will use it when they're mass produced because of Nintendo games. Well, duh. But I don't think it's going to lead to more. But I do think that that is a fascinating reasoning that why they increased to 64, which to me is not a, not a big enough increase. But for Nintendo's purposes, hey, we might actually have games coming out in a year that won't fit if you buy it digitally. No. And they're not okay with that. Yeah. I mean, they should have never been okay with third parties having games that couldn't fit. But they didn't think about that. Yeah, Nintendo's worries more about themselves. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know. Let's see here. What do you, none of the above for things like Madden and Call of Duty, it's a handheld hybrid. Why are you all expecting a Series X out of it? Who's, who expects a Series X out of it? I think maybe that's happened because of Steam Deck. Maybe. Well, even on a podcast since the Steam Deck wasn't as easy. No. You know what it is? Do you even know what Steam Deck is? I've seen pictures of it. But you know what it is? It's kind of a handheld PC type thing from what I've seen. It is a handheld PC. From what I've read, it looks similar to the Switch. I don't know if it has any sort of docking station or anything like that. It does, but it's sold separately. Okay, fair enough. I mean, so it's a Switch ask thing. That's a mobile PC. Yes. Comes with Steam OS. Yep. But you can install Windows on it. Yep. They have a $400 entry point for the lowest one. And then I think it's like $550 and $650. Better storage, basically, moving on. And I think the $650 one has a, something different with the layer they put on the screen, the anti-scratch or anti-glare. So I can't remember. No glass instead of... I can't remember. There's some change in the most expensive one on what they put on the front of the screen. Gotcha. It runs at 800p. So that's $720, not $1080, $800. Interesting. It has basically, a massive screen. It's like the size of a Switch, it's huge. I don't know if you've seen them next to each other. It looks like they think it'd eat the Switch. But the reason that people are starting to talk about it is because for $400, that's only $50 more in a Switch OLED. And it's packing significantly more power. Like significantly more. It's like taking like six of these duct taping them together, kind of power. Damn. It's basically, I don't want to say this, but like a lower tier laptop than this, but still good enough to basically play any PC game. You get to play it in your hand. In your hand. Yeah. And that's why some people are like, is this a Switch killer? I don't think it's a Switch killer. But. Well no, because you won't be able to play this. Well, and to be honest, Valve is having happened with them. Okay, so Valve, Valve messes up every hardware thing they do. Whether it's, you know, obviously you guys remember these, the Steam consoles or whatever they were called, that were supposed to be like home consoles. And they like, no, didn't work. That bombed, Steam controller bombed. I don't think this is going to bomb. No. But what happened is, Valve's probably happy about this, but what happened is, there was so much demand for it. Cause they said, oh, this is gonna be available in December, pre-orders go up. Not only was it a massive pre-order mess, they're back-ordered potentially through the entirety of 2022. Damn. Like after the initial wave, which apparently looks really tiny at this point, you might not, you might not get a second wave of it until, I think they said something like maybe April. So to me, this means a couple of things. One, they didn't anticipate the demand, which is weird. Which is weird. Considering that portable, that you can see the IA Neo and other portable PCs that have raised millions of dollars on Kickstarter, like clearly there's a market for this. Even just look the switch. I mean, you gotta have some idea that this is gonna be somewhat similar in popularity, if not more, because of your lower price point. So this is like the fudge up right now. We don't know if there's any other issues cause no one's had it in their hands long enough to know. But it's like, but people can't get their hands on it. Valve wasn't ready for mass demand. So that's not, by the way, Valve's happy about that. Of course, you want a ton of demand. But it's kind of like, what does that then mess up? Like, this ends up being like a PlayStation 5, except the difference with PlayStation 5 is they're pumping out millions of these a month. I think they're only pumping out like hundreds, maybe a couple of thousand a month of the system, which is gonna be well below demand, which means the system's almost gonna be like, what are they called, like a vaporware sort of thing. It exists, but nobody really has it. Like, oh my God, it's amazing. Oh, could it kill the switch? I'm like, yeah, if anyone could ever buy the damn thing, but it's like it doesn't exist. There's so few of them. And by the time, and the thing is my thing is, all the chips and all the parts, we talked about this over the pandemic have to be ordered years in advance, right? So people under the thought, because they thought with the upcoming pandemic that things were going to be low, so they lowered their orders. And then it turned out the exact opposite happened to consumer electronics. It was high because people want entertainment in the home. So then, you know, all the shortages. And other people who like Nintendo, who, because they were sold out for a while, where they didn't lower their order, they just didn't increase it. So then they ended up selling out too, just from, you know, they thought it would just be a normal year and it wasn't. So my thing is- By the time enough- By the time it's more widely available, because it's not going to be this year, obviously, I think it's going to be next year. Maybe by the end of 2023, by holiday, finally they might have enough out there to actually have significant numbers in the many millions, you know, you start hitting, you know, maybe that's the first year they have 10 million or something in 2023. But by then, Nintendo's going to have their new platform probably landing. And by then, the technology in that, because, hey, PCs, is going to now be two, three years old. There's going to be probably Zen 4s and 5s. There's going to be new stuff, new PC handhelds coming out. Yeah, they're going to be more expensive, but it's also going to make the Steam Deck look like a toy, because this is what happens. The PC hardware game is much like the phone hardware game. See, Nintendo lives in their own world because they're one of the few companies that can basically survive on just their own games. Not saying it's entirely true, we saw it with BU, but we haven't seen a platform until Switch or all of Nintendo's development teams are on it. They've always been split between two platforms. Now they're on one, and I think Nintendo is almost a self-sustaining company where their IPs are valued so much. They spend a bunch of money on marketing more than any company in this generation, that they can almost self-sustain. They still need appealing hardware, but if you have appealing hardware and then you have your games, you can almost self-sustain. So this platform just plays all your PC games. So there's nothing, there's not a game that sells the platform. Just the platform itself has to sell itself. And as that platform ages, and it doesn't have the exclusive games, and better hardware competitors come out, and then also Nintendo is like, yeah, you know what, now we have our new Gen 1 and maybe our new Gen 1 kicks the shit out or whatever you were just using. Yeah, possibly. And even if it doesn't, let's say it's slightly below. Yeah, it might be slightly below, but guess what, you can't play pretty much any of the third-party games you have better than our platform can. Yeah. And we also have exclusives. So what are you gonna do about that? Yeah, right, well, for first. So my thing is Val's greatest mistake is that they mistook what demand for this would be, didn't get enough orders in. So by the time they have the orders to start meeting demand, the demand might just go away. Cause there'll be other competitors that do it with better hardware by then. Yeah. Just PC hardware and forward moving like this. And other people, not Nintendo, but other people will upgrade more quickly. Like the IA and EO. Okay, wait till the IA and EO too comes out next year and is better than this. Yeah. Yeah. You know, wait till, okay, you have the switch. Okay, yeah, they don't upgrade this as often. Clearly it's been five years, but when they do, it's usually a significant leap. And that significant leap should be pretty close to matching, if not surpassing what this thing does. By the time they can make enough of them, Nintendo will have this out and they'll have Mario Kart 9. Which one are you likely to pick up guys? Let's say similar power, 2023. Nintendo's new system, similar power to the Steam Deck. But it launches with Mario Kart 9. I mean, it's pretty clear which one's gonna sell more. Mario Kart 9 is one of the biggest system sellers in the period. So like. Yeah. No, for sure. I'm not saying don't buy a Steam Deck. Everyone's free, like, well, if you can. Like, Steam Deck looks cool. It's not really for me because I like PC gaming. Like, a mouse keyboard, you can do it with this, but like, by the time you get to that cumbersome setup, why don't you just sit down on the computer and do it? I know that was one of your kind of things that you had to run with Port Rail. Was that it was definitely not designed for, like, specifically for the Switch. You can still control it. And by the way, there's plenty of games on PC that work fine with controllers. The console games that came to PC, basically. Like, yeah, they work fine with controllers. Which are free, et cetera. It felt like it was shoehorn into the controller use versus. Yeah. So I know that was one of your, which is still Port Rail. Well, that was one of my, that was one of my criticisms of not really, so like, like Port Rail 4, it's, by the way, it's a really fun game. And I'm glad it's on Switch. You know, it doesn't run perfectly. There's some framerate problems, but I mean, it's still fun. You don't really, the framerate, it's not like a live action game. So like, the framerates don't matter as much. But like, games like that, you know, this is the same reason why we haven't seen like, you know, I don't know, I'm trying to think about like, like Age of Empires hasn't traditionally been on consoles because like, converting the control scheme of like a real time type of strategy game like that to twin sticks, it just doesn't feel right. Right. And a lot of the, here's like, people like, well, it's fine, just play all your controller games on Steam Deck. Really play any PC games that have controllers. And I'm weird, call me a console boy if you want, but most of the games I play that have controllers, I'll just go play them on Xbox or PlayStation or Switch. I won't play them on PC. I play very, like the only game maybe right now is maybe I'll play Madden a bit on it with the controller. But I was like, I don't really use controllers on my PC. I'm not a controller PC gamer. I'm a mouse and keyboard guy. So like, this doesn't do anything for me. Oh yeah, but you could take it on the go. I'm like, that's cool, but like I got plenty of games to already play on this on the go. It's not like I need to, like when I'm on the go, I don't need access to my entire library again. I'm on the go. Even if I'm on a 17 hour plane flight going over to the UK, I don't even know how long on that flight. It's really long, right? So let's say it's to Japan, or whatever the longest flight is from where I am now to some part of the world, right? Whatever, say it takes a day even 24 hours. I don't know. I still don't need access to my entire gaming library. There's plenty of games. I'm platformed by Cameron, this, my phone. If I'm on a plane, why wouldn't I have my laptop? I get to set it on the tray. Yeah. Like, it's one of those situations that I just, it's not for me, but if it is for you, that's fine. Play it, love it. I just think by the time they can catch up with the demand, it just might be too little, too late. That doesn't mean a Steam Deck too can't be in the works and maybe they're better with that. Do we really trust Valve? No. I mean, I know some people want to give Valve credit because half life of Alex, that was really, really good VR game. And obviously Steam in general is pretty good. Valve and gaming. It's like the Valve and gaming don't even exist. Games, Valve is okay at. Are they? I mean, they were. I was like, do you remember the last Valve game you played? Yeah, Left 4 Dead. Or Left 4 Dead 2? No, yeah. How long ago that? That was a long time ago. When did Left 4 Dead 2 come out? That was a long time ago. They're really good at making two games. Yes. Can't get to that third. Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2. Half life, half life. Portal, Portal 2. Can't do Portal 3. They just stopped at 2. 2009? Whew. How damn. Like, I know Valve has other smaller projects that have come out. And Half Life Alyx was a bit of a bigger one. Valve basically doesn't make games anymore. You calling Valve a game company at this point or a game developing company, I think would be a misrepresentation of Valve. Ever since Steam blew up and became most PC gamers. I might say all. Most PC gamers de facto way to play games and buy games. They became more of a storefront. Yes. So like, they've been trying to get in the hardware. Why are they trying to get in the hardware? Because they don't really do games. Could they could? They just don't see a reason. Which is weird, because their games always sold phenomenally well. But they don't care. It's like they did those games to help get Steam on computers. And now that Steam is the dominant, there's other options, but it is the dominant one. They make so much money off Steam. Like, Game of Rules just lasts to the bank and just on a whim decides, hey, Switch, we can do that, but better. Hey, consoles. I mean, PCs are better. Let's try to make PC-like console things for TVs that nobody bought. Hey, you know, everyone games on Windows or Linux or Mac OS, like, you know what's better? How about let's make a Steam OS? Yeah, right. Like, it's like it just has these ideas, like, I'm so rich. Yeah, right. I can just, I don't care if this fails. Like, it don't matter how many failures I have because Steam is making me billions a day. Yeah, pretty much. So, like, it's like almost, to us that grew up with Valve games, Steam is like the worst thing that happened to anyone. I mean, this feels weird to say, but it's like the worst thing to happen to anyone who's fans of Valve games. Like, think about this. What's one of the most popular games still on PC? CSGO. Valve owns CSGO. Why the hell are we not getting new ones? Why? They can just keep using the old one. It's like, Valve, if you're a fan of Valve games, Steam was the worst thing to happen because Steam's success led to them stop making games, basically. It's dumb. And so, nothing against Steam Deck going to probably be amazing if you can get your hands on one by 2023 when we're probably talking about a new Switch or the new I in EO or, you know, God forbid, you know, like I'm a PC tech enthusiast, so by then we should be on to like Ryzen 6000 CPUs, potentially on to Zen 3 architecture instead of Zen 2. Or if we're still on Zen 2, there'll be more mature Zen 2 architecture out there by then. So it's like, all this stuff are already in A2, more mature, like there'll be more mature stuff. Like, remember, already in A2, which is like the big thing for the GPU, that's still new, okay? Everything that's new. Like, if you guys think back to the original Ryzen processors, then you think up to now with the 5000 series. It's a significant improvement because the initial stuff is good, but never great. So already in A2, wonderful, amazing, but also it's newer. It's gonna be much better in two years. And there'll be new technology and new GPUs that just blow whatever they're doing now out of the water. So it's like, yeah, it sounds good now, but like the stuff they're gonna have in a couple years is gonna be so much better. So, I'm a massive tech enthusiast. I watch lots of tech YouTubers. I'm always reading news, lots of tech websites. I love technology. I just, Valve is just a weird company. I think the Steam Deck, by the way, as soon as I saw the price, I was like, damn. But also, what's Valve? Yeah. I'm sorry, does anyone trust Valve? Yeah. Half-Life 3 yet? Yeah. I mean, I know it's a meme and a joke at this point, but I mean, where's Left 4 Dead 3? Oh, you know what? It took so long for them to decide to maybe do something and then they didn't. Then now we have Back 4 Blood. And everyone's pumped for Back 4 Blood. It's like, hey, finally. Yeah, right? Finally, we've only been waiting. I wanna play it. Over a decade. I wanna play it. Why isn't Valve providing it to you? Because they don't need to make games anymore. Literally, they could do nothing but just have people who maintain Steam. And that's it. They don't need to, like, Steam has made them more money than any, than all their video games they've ever made combined. And they just don't have any reason to do anything else. And to me, it's sad. It's like, I want Steam to die so Valve is forced to actually make games again if they remember how to. Now with Half-Life Alyx, it made me feel like they still have some good developers there, right? They still have some people that know how to make games. We just don't get them. And someone's gonna point out, I'm sure it's already been pointed out, there have been a number of little games they've released. I would call them more like indie-style games. Absolutely, but when I think of Valve, I'm not thinking of indie. I'm thinking, you're one of the richest companies in the fucking world. Where's my big triple A? It's almost like, it would be like if EA, because at one point EA wanted to make a game console back in the day. So EA became this multi-billion dollar company off of video games. And they decided, hey, we're gonna make a console. Okay, cool. But then at the same time, this time we're gonna stop making games. You know what would sell Steam Deck? What would guarantee success by the time the next switch comes out when they can meet demand? You're like, oh yeah, we're releasing Half-Life 3 finally. Coming to Steam Deck first, exclusive for a year. Okay, no, you're talking. But they ain't gonna do that because they ain't making games. Nope. You know what would kill back for blood if they would announce Left 4 Dead 3? It ain't happening because they're not making it. Yes, yes it would. They're not making it. So like. But what? Actually. Well, I know a lot of the original developers are making back for blood. That's what you're saying. But why are they doing it? Because they're not making it. I mean, the reality is they're not making these games. Right. So what's kind of cool is that because Valve is a band and the idea of these games for so long, everyone else is just gonna pick up eventually and start making Valves. Like, oh, you miss Half-Life? Just don't worry. Someone's gonna. Someone's gonna make Three Quarters Life or Full Life or something that's literally a Half-Life clone and everyone's gonna love it because we can't get Half-Life any other way. Like, it's just like, oh, Silent Hill? Yep, might never come back. I know there's been rumors about it, but if it doesn't come back, you know that eventually something's gonna come up that's gonna be like, you know, Violent Bill and that's gonna end up being some new Silent Hill ripoff game. Like, it's just, oh, Valve frustrates me. So like, I wanna be excited for Steam Deck even though it's not for me. I wanna be excited for the people that are excited for it but I just can't, like, I just don't trust Valve. Yeah. Am I wrong? Yeah, no. Am I wrong? Like, Galactus, he's like, Back for Blood just sucks, Left 4 Dead 2 is still better. Have you played Back for Blood? How can you definitively say Back for Blood sucks? See, this is another thing. Let's just talk about this in general about gamers. We have a tendency to be like, say we're mega fans of something, I'm a mega fan of Zelda, right? Yeah. So there's a lot of mega fans of Zelda that Horizon Zero Dawn comes out or is being advertised and really this is the wrong scene in terms of Breath of the Wild for PlayStation 4. That would go, LOLOL Horizon Zero Dawn sucks. Zelda's better, Breath of the Wild's better. Without ever actually playing the game to be able to form an educated opinion, it's just more of a, I'm a mega fan of this so this is better than that but they don't actually have an informed opinion on it. And that's just the way fans are short for fanatics and fanatics are a little nuts when it comes to the stuff they're fans of. But like, this is the thing, like to have that opinion that Back for Blood just sucks, Left 4 Dead 2 is better. But how do you know that? Until you've played the game, how do you know? You don't know. Is there a beta or a no? Steady dropping the emphasis. Not just gamers, everyone nowadays gonna complain about something. I mean, that's the way it is. That's the world we live in. Like, I try to reign myself back because sometimes I'll catch myself being like, not so much console fan boing. Yeah, the open beta starts tomorrow. Searched tomorrow, yeah, so like... There's no way anybody could have played that game or played enough of it anyways. And it's also beta, which isn't always what's final. A dev, which would really make no sense that a... A dev would be in the chat, shit talking. Shit talking their own game. Yeah. So yeah, no. But like, this is just the way of the world I guess at this point where people and gamers and just everyone just... Why don't we got a shit on things to build up the things we like? Like, let's say you play back for blood and you end up going, you know what? I like Left 4 Dead 2 better. Okay, cool. There you go. Fine, you don't have to shit on back for blood, though, to prop up the game you like. Like, I don't have to shit on Horizon Forbidden West to prop up Breath of the Wild 2. They both can be great and I could just prefer one over the other. It's not the... Like, we have this innate nature as humans that we got to shit on things to make ourselves feel better with the things that we have. Like, console wars are entirely built around justifying that we bought this and not that. And that's the entire justification of console wars. I own an Xbox, so fuck Sony. I own a Switch, so fuck PC. Like, who cares? Why does it matter? Why does it matter what other people are doing? And I feel like there is a innate thing to this and maybe I'm way off base. You've had more psychology classes than I have. Just a little more. I only have like two, so. You know, I kind of have my bachelor's license. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we don't need... I feel like there's some psychology to this where... Yeah, there is. People... I almost wonder that this is just spitballing. Like, when people are like, yeah, love Switch, fuck Steam Deck, or I love Steam Deck, fuck Switch. Like, is there like this thing where maybe you don't love the platform as much as you think you do, but because you invested in it, you wanna shit talk anything else to make yourself feel better about what you bought. Because I feel like if you truly love the thing, like, as an example, love my fiance. I don't have to shit talk other women to justify my love of my fiance. Like, that doesn't make any sense. Like, you're a piece of shit. You're a piece of shit. You're a piece of shit. You're a piece of shit. Whore! Whore! I don't have to do that to make myself feel good about my partner. Like, that doesn't make any sense. Like, if you truly love the thing, I don't need to put down others to justify my love. Like, I don't think someone's worse because they're not with me. Like, no, everyone's meant to be with different people. So, it's kinda like consoles. There's no one console for everybody. There's no one way to game for everybody. So, that's why all these different ways the game exists in the first place. If there was one solution for everyone, we wouldn't have all these phones. There's not one right phone for everybody. It's why we have so many different phone devices. No, no, for sure. So, like, to me, it's if you really love, if you truly love what you're playing, you truly love playing games on Switch. You love the games, you love the library, you love the hardware, you love everything about it. Have basically no complaints because you love the platform so much, you get so much joy out of it. Are you the type of person that's then turning around to be in like, fuck Steam Deck? Switch is better. Because if you truly love it, why would you even be thinking about Steam Deck? Why would you even be thinking about anybody else that buys anything else because you should be so in love with what you're doing. Why does it matter? It shouldn't matter to you. You should actually be more. The thing is, is we've been programmed to focus on negative things and negative things stick out more in the world than positive things. Sure. And so, by pointing out the negatives of, because nobody wants to be quote unquote wrong. I made the wrong decision in purchasing an Xbox versus a PlayStation. Nobody wants to be wrong, which there is no wrong in that situation. You buy what's better for you. But you point out what, we tend to point out the negative, which means not that you're necessarily shitting on the PlayStation 5, and there are people I do, but it's, I'm gonna point out the reasons that are wrong with this and not necessarily the better reasons of why I went with this. This has better this. This suits me better than this. Well, there will be. As I'm like Xbox gamers right now will be like, PlayStation 5 is this and that, but the cooling solution isn't very good. The cooling solution is good here. We have Game Pass, you don't. So they'll be like, here's why I like this platform more than your platform, but at the same point, I'm gonna not just point out the reasons that I prefer to play. Like you'd be like, oh, that's what, Steamback won't have Nintendo, because that's not getting to the emulation stuff, I understand that point. But the point is like, you don't have the games natively built for the platform. So here you go. That's why I prefer this platform. Fine. Perfect just for a reason. It's not putting down the other platform for not having the games or not having to keep like, you're not putting down Sony to say, I prefer Xbox because Game Pass is a great value. That's a justifiable reason to go with Game Pass. People might point out, you can get it on phone or piece. Doesn't matter. It's a justifiable reason to be like, you know what, that's why I invested in this platform, because long haul is cheaper for me than investing in a different one. Fine. But that's not putting down a platform. I'm talking specifically about the people that are always like, basically the console war people that are always, fuck this other platform, go PlayStation five, fuck this, yay this, fuck this, yeah. Like I feel like, and this is just because I've seen, like setting gaming aside, just from a psychology, I've seen people that will literally get super pissy at people they barely fucking know. And they'll just start going at them. You can argue they're drunk. Some of them are, but they're doing it because, like this side of the whole bully aspect, putting other people down to make yourself feel better about you, because secretly you don't actually feel that good about you. And that's why I think this logic applies to video game consoles. The people that say fuck Switch, the people like, you know someone mentioned that yeah, like yeah, some of the people excited for Steam Deck are people that are just really upset with Switch. Correct. That's fine. Yeah. But also people say it from Switch side saying, fuck Steam Deck. And I just feel like there's this whole psychological aspect where if you really love what you're doing, then you wouldn't feel the need to have, even though we've been trained to focus on negative, if there's so much positive for you coming from this one thing, you wouldn't need to put anything else down. You wouldn't care. It wouldn't matter to, okay, Steam Deck exists, you might not even pay attention to Steam Deck even got announced because you're so happy with the product of my kids. They have no idea about Steam Deck at all. They're so happy with their tablets and their switches. They don't care that other things are coming out. It doesn't matter to them. And they're the innocent. And I keep feeling when does my daughter start to talk negatively about things when she's mad at herself. So I feel like when people want to put down other platforms, maybe they aren't actually that happy with the one they have. It's always, it's always the saying it's a real house company. So I mean. I know, well, it's like, I get that sometimes there's be a negative because maybe there's negative people in general. Oh, there is also that. I also feel like, you know, we always say, you mentioned, you know, you buy this platform, you want to justify your investment in that platform. But like it's also, maybe you're not actually happy with your investment in that platform. So what only thing that makes you happy is to be like, I got a you rah rah mega fan this and go on all of the Sony videos and live streams and all of the Sony YouTube, you know, content creators and just tell them how wrong they are. And yeah, like, I feel like those people are just like, I don't know if you actually like the platform that you're defending. And then there's also people that just get joy out of trolling things too, so. Well, trolls are gonna, trolls are gonna troll. They don't, they probably don't even own a switch or own any of these platforms. They're probably also just are the ones that are saying. They, those kind of people, I think get joy out of other people's misery. Oh yeah, for sure. Whereas I think the people who console war aren't trying to make the other person miserable, I think they're trying to justify their purchase. Yeah, for sure. Basically what I'm saying. Well, I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of, I'm sure there are plenty of trolls out there that are going into Sony, both Sony and Microsoft forums, going, fuck your platform, fuck your platform. I wanna find the guy. And just watching the world burn because there are people that enjoy that. There are people that enjoy that. They enjoy that. But I don't think that's a majority, like. No, probably not. Like, like earlier in the chat, we had this person in the UC 255 here who got temporarily banned or whatever. I don't know if they came back or if they were the person who banned the other troll accounts. They made a troll RLO account, a troll. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they were the same person. Jake Paul account or whatever. So like, they were trolling in the chat. And I kept thinking. So I don't know if that was UC coming back with different accounts, but UC 255 has been someone who's been commenting on my videos for like a year. And pretty much every comment is negative, which I've noticed that people that tend to make every comment negative, you know, is more, when they're doing that for so long, I noticed it's more of a mental state for them. Like they probably are depressed. Oh yeah. And that's why like I unbanned it. I'm like, oh, I'm like, that's, I've been dealing with this person for like a year. I kind of get the feeling that they're not too happy with themselves. Maybe I'm way off base on that. I don't know them, but it's kind of like my experience with people who consistently show up in negative accounts. Not necessarily attack. There's people that will come out and they're, that's a troll. Attack it. But UC doesn't really attack, per se. It's more so, you know, the comment they made in the chat was kind of a little bit, that's why I was like, really? Like UC's never quite gone that far to like, literally say, you know, your thumbnail is like your channel, trash or whatever. And it's like, she's never really gone that far. I know she doesn't like the content, but there's also something about a while watch. But then like, why are we still around after a year? Why are we still, you know, hanging on this long? What's the- Because, again, this is the whole bully aspect of, they don't really feel good about themselves. Oh no, for sure. So they stick around because when they make that comment saying you're wrong about Switch 4, you're wrong about this, you're wrong about that. It gives them some sort of attention. Well, not only gives them attention, so I don't think it's always attention as you can behavior. I think, which it can be. But I think some of it is also, I feel negative about myself. And if I take my negative energy and I focus it on somebody else. Right. It's like a release. It's like I made this comment today and trashing this video. And that was like a release of my own depression stress that made me feel- Attention may not have been the right word. Better. And attention may not have been the right word. I'm not saying that they're looking for attention. It's when they put this comment out there, someone knows that I exist. Someone acknowledges why that I'm here. And it's not necessarily that I'm looking for attention. It's people actually know that I'm here. More likely to get a response from people with a negative comment that goes against what the channel does versus a positive comment that's just buried with a C of positive comments. I mean, that's always been true everywhere. Negative comments, as a creator, negative comments to me stand out more than the positive one. I read every single one, but there's, well, I shouldn't say every single one. After like a week, I stop reading comments on old videos. But for a week, I read new comments and it's like, you know, vast majority of them on every video make even the ones that have a bigger dislike-to-like ratio, still the majority of the comments are positive. But it's always the negative ones that stand out because they're just different than the rest. Oh, great video. Oh, I really like this. Oh, I can't wait, we're gonna switch OLED. I like this, I like that, blah, blah, blah, blah. Your video sucks. Okay, well, that was a weird comment to come out of the last 50 I read. So that's the one that's gonna stick out to me as a content creator. Why does my video suck? What's wrong with it? Oh, you're just a liar. I'm like, where am I lie? I'm just reporting. Oh yeah, you're responsible for everything and everything bad in this world. The whole overhyping of Switch Pro, you're responsible for all of it. Let's just ignore that we're just regurgitating publicly available information. I mean, you could argue there's a larger issue with social media in general, which I think the reason that people like me got so much backlash over Switch Pro and whereas I just kind of shorted off on my own and really get what the big deal is with like I was reporting on rumors, I was wearing tinfoil hats, I don't really know what the problem is. I think it's a younger generation issue and I'm not trying to, if you're like someone in your teens or early 20s watching this, I don't know if this applies to you. You got to let me know, because I'm not, I'm in my mid 30s. So like this isn't something I can understand. I didn't grow up with social media. Literally did not grow up, like I didn't, we had my space, but it wasn't social. You weren't chatting with people on my space. No, you did have, there was messenger programs and chat rooms, but like there wasn't like a social network. I would call MySpace back in the day like a real network. It was more like, it was more like a, like a LinkedIn profile page. Yeah. It's like, oh, here's a page where you can find out about people, but you're not really taught, you can share your playlists or play people's playlists. That was one of the big, though, MySpace, you could have a music playlist. I love all the, yeah, Facebook should do this, this, and this. What are we bringing back, MySpace? Yeah. But it's like, but MySpace is what we had, and even then it was the early days of the internet, so most kids didn't even have a computer or access to it. No, for sure. And when they did, like it really was, it was very fleshed out. I wouldn't even call it a network, even though it was. Again, it's like a bunch of home pages for about ourselves. Yeah. And then Facebook came along, and that for us was like end of high school, and then you had to be a college kid to get it back then. So like it wasn't even open to the public. It was college students only and college graduates. So like it was very much an adult thing. It wasn't meant for kids. And then obviously everything changed, Twitter, Facebook opened things up, and here we are today, with all our Instagram and TikTok and everything else, right? So we have all these other, no Vine before that went down back in the day. So like we've had all these other social media networks come and go, and I feel like now that kids are growing up with this and getting access to this stuff at stupid ages to me, I'm sorry that the next time I see a three year old with a phone that isn't their parents playing a game, but is their own phone and they're on TikTok doing whatever when they're not even old enough to be on TikTok. I'm sorry, I don't want to say you're a bad parent, but in my mind, you're a bad parent. You're not controlling. You are getting your kids addicted to social media at such a young age that that's all they're gonna care about by the time they get older. And you're gonna wonder why they spend more time on social media than they do getting their homework done. More time on this than actually hanging out with friends. I'm not saying that's gonna happen to all the kids, but I feel like the youth is growing up, and I'm a parent, so I gotta worry about this shit. They're growing up in this world of social media. Snapchat too, I can't forget about that one. That's really popular. I use Snapchat, so not as often as, I feel like it's a stereotype, but why is it that on Snapchat, it's always females taking 20,000 pictures of themselves every day? I'm not complaining, they're all my friends, and sometimes they show their kids, and they're showing some interesting things to everybody, but it's kinda like, I got guys on Snapchat, and there's maybe like one snap a week, and it's usually not even of them. It's like, here's a cool song that came on the radio for my childhood, or like, hey, I'm at a bonfire, it's like once a week. Here's a picture of my butthole. No, no, I don't know what it is about. I mean, I get that there is a whole, the way media has framed women care more of what their looks to the men, so that could be all it is. A lot of the Snapchat filters are very much catered to women. Oh, for sure. Oh yeah, let me do a masculine Snapchat. It doesn't really exist. But I think there's this whole sentiment with kids growing up, where the younger generation is like, not only are they basing some of their happiness on social standing, because we talk about how great the world is and how more connected it is. I don't think they ever learned like we did. I think some of the older and that, there's people that are older than me that have problems. But I feel like every time I'm interacting with people in the real world, when I actually talk to people and not online, I get online, it can be real, but I'm saying when I see people in person, whether it's kids, adults, or whatever, and they play games, because there's plenty of adults play games. Some won't admit to it because it's not accepted in certain communities. You're like that as a kid. I don't expect, I don't think Dave over there, my neighbor, I don't think he plays video games. Never once seen him play video games. Doesn't mean he doesn't, but it's not something that, he's interesting to be like working on cars and stuff like that in his yard. He's one of those people that works on his yard like every day. That's fine. That's what his passion is what he's into. So it's like, but I can respect that passion. And it's like, I can respect that I play this and I feel like I grew out of console wars because I can respect that everyone plays things for different reasons, just something I learned. I didn't grow, like it's weird because I didn't grow up with social media yet here I am on YouTube doing a podcast live, social, very social media thing with 70,000 plus people subscribed. Whatever on Twitter, I don't even know what it is. It's a 13, 14, I don't even know, 1,000. It doesn't really matter how many you had. The real is like, I'm sitting here doing social media stuff, making some money and all that. But at the same point, have this very different perspective, I feel like from the younger people who grew up with this, that feel like this social attachment that they have to put people down or they have to do this or they have to do that to make themselves, like you mentioned, like getting the, not attention seeking, but knowing that if they make that negative comment it's going to stand out and that the creator or more people might end up reading that comment or replying to it. Like almost like a part of their psyche and part of their mental wellbeing is all about what happens on social media. Whereas I can be like, yeah, okay, so Switch Pro didn't happen. I'm a little bit disappointed or a little bit disappointed and it's not like we're walking around all day. Oh my God, our existence is ruined because all those Switch Pro reports, they come true. Oh my God, the steam deck came out, oh my God. Like some people, like they literally watch my videos sometimes and it's funny. They'll see me like in one of my rant moments like the fuck E3 rant, right? That isn't even online. God, I hate YouTube and their limits. Anyways, so I went on this big long rant, rant during E3 and people will watch that and it's very impassioned and in the moment I'm really into it and I mean everything I'm saying, but like once I'm done, that's it. Like I don't even care anymore. You just move on with my day. It's not like this big important part of it. People watch that and they're like, man, you're, what a man child or what this or look how passionate of a gamer is. And I'm like, dude, the moment I'm done with that rant, I literally, it's like, okay, I'm good now. I got it all out. You know, I gotta take care of my kids. I gotta go to work, gotta do this, gotta do college. Like there's so many things that are so much more important than even what that rant was. It's like, I think what happens is these younger kids see this stuff and it's like an influence. That's why they call us influencers. Well, and part of that too though is there's also the one mass amount of it and an enemy online. Yeah, yep. And I'm one of the few people that it's like even in my videos. Look at them. They'll say, hey, welcome at the spawn wave. And I'll be like, hey, I'm Nathan Neuronflage. It's like, how many, I don't even know how many content creators even use their name. Right. Like that. And then also look at the quote unquote influencers, people like that, that we celebrate. They're all the ones that have these mass amounts of followers. And things like that, not necessarily that they're good people. Some of them are. Yeah, you have, I mean, to be honest, even some of the stuff you see like, when people get all like, oh, F.J. Paul or I'm like, I don't actually know these people. Maybe they're really not that bad. It could all be an act because guess what? They came up being these obnoxious assholes and that's all they got popular. And that's another thing too that I don't think some younger kids understand that what you see on the internet from your influencers doesn't mean that's what they are. Or who they are. Not everything on the internet's true. What I mean, not everything you see on social media or internet or anything is true. How about like most of it's not. The pop-up that says I want a million dollars over here isn't true. Shit. Oh man, you mean when someone got a paid ad on their video that told me, you know, if I put this cream on my face, I'll never have gray hair again. Is it real? Yeah. What? Yeah, great. I mean, maybe it's real because it kills my hair follicles and I don't have any facial hair ever again. I guess there's probably a poison I can put on my face that'll literally get rid of my hair for sure, but. Yeah, you have no gray hairs because you have no hairs. Have a good day. So bad. Because you cancer. Oh God. Oh God. Then you really have no hair. Oh Lord, yeah, we've kind of side-tracked this thing. I like side-tracking. These conversations are the fun ones to me because I feel like they're more important. Like gaming's, like we talk about gaming a lot. I've bulleted all the channels about me. Welcome to this channel, yeah. But at the same point, I'm always fascinated by the psychological aspects of the internet. Like, I even think about this like, I don't know the age of anyone I'm talking to. So when I respond to a comment, it's like, okay, I feel like, you know, I put some logic there for some good reason, maybe I didn't. I don't know. But I don't understand like that comment reply either made that person's day or maybe just put them in some deep depression because I proved them wrong or whatever. And I'm like, I don't think about it like that when I'm doing it, because to me, it doesn't matter. You guys could say all the nasty stuff you want to be. I don't really care. The moment this camera's turned off and I hit end stream, like my life moves on. I'll probably go upstairs and we jerk off a little bit and, you know, give some medicine to my fiance because she's recovering from surgery again. Way more important thing going on in my house than the podcast. And I'll move on with my day. Maybe I'll have a snack. I don't know. Like it's like, I'll watch a show and fall asleep. Like wake up and be a dad tomorrow morning. Like it's one of those like, I have a shutoff valve. It's like, this stuff, man, like I'm passionate about sports, but like there's a certain point that it's just something I enjoy. There's a shutoff valve to it. It's not more, like my priorities aren't, oh my God, let's make my YouTube channel have 500,000 followers. Like, no, my priorities aren't my family, my kids, my fiance, my house, college. All that matters more to me right now than anything I do here. Some people argue, well, that's called being an adult, but so many adults I see growing up now, they're like in their mid-20s. That's not how they are. They have to be on their phone. They have to be getting that next social media post out. They have to be like, oh, look at this cute shirt that I'm not gonna buy from the store, but look how good I look in it. Let me get a picture of it quick so I can show it off. And it's like, I get it, I understand it to a point because hey, I'm on YouTube. And yeah, I enjoy it when people like my video and comment and say cool things. And it's neat when you make a video and sometimes when you do it, what is it? Two hours later, all of a sudden I'm like, holy shit, there's 10,000 views already. That's really good. Wow, what did I do that made this video do well? People always say, oh, you know what you did. No, I don't because I try repeating it and it doesn't work. I just had this today when we were talking about a SwitchForce video and I'm like, maybe I don't know how to clickbait because every time I think I did something that works it got a lot of views and I do it again and it doesn't work and you're like, what the hell happened? It's like, I really haven't, when I tell you guys I have no idea like why I have 70,000 subscribers, I mean I have no idea. When I go like, I have no idea how to get views on YouTube, I'm not kidding. I have no idea how to get views on YouTube. You'll see videos on my channel. You barely got a thousand. Then you go like three videos back. This one got 15,000. I'm like, I have no idea why this video only got a thousand in that video. I got no clue. I tried to repeat the same thing and it didn't work. I think part of it is YouTube. But part of it is YouTube. A part of it is also like, I don't understand why one tweet I make gets 500 likes. Another tweet I make only gets two. I don't know why. I don't, I can't repeat my success and that's probably why I'm not super successful. That's because I can't find a way to repeat it. Like this podcast episode today, maybe it's, maybe all the time we're done it's got 2,000 views. Maybe it's only got 500. I don't know what I could do to make it get more. Don't really care. I do this for fun. And it is nice to make a little coin, but it's so much fun. Well, here we go. But seriously, it's. This thing is ridiculous. I don't know. It is something I struggle with as a parent trying to get my kids to value. I don't want to say real things because I don't want to pretend that online interactions can't be real. Right. Obviously they can. I'm not stupid. I'm in the technology. I'm not like one of those people, one of those old school people that'll be like, you know, your little chat you did online doesn't matter. Like, so your text to your mom didn't matter? Like, come on, this should be real. The interactions we have with people matter. But I just don't put, I guess my self-worth into it. I guess maybe that's the way to put it. I think a lot of youth put their self-worth into what strangers on the internet say and react and like, and I don't. Like, literally, if my YouTube channel didn't grow from four years ago, I'd still be doing it. Yeah. Maybe not as often, but I'd still be doing it. You know, and you'd be like, oh, see, you're doing it more often. I'm like, whoa. Yeah, because there's a motivating factor, you know, that when, you know, people really like your content and you get, you know, a couple thousand views. It's kind of like, okay, it kind of motivates me to want to keep doing it because nobody wants to talk to an empty room because I already do that all the time. Literally, when I'm recording videos, there's nobody empty room. When you guys watch my videos, every video I make has like 40 minutes worth of recording and you'll see like an eight minute video. I spend a majority of the time that I do the YouTube just talking to myself. So like, that's the way. Yes, he does. Like, that's the way YouTube works though, like, especially when you're a solo guy and you don't have the camera or a whole. So like, that's just the way it is. So like, I already spend a lot of time talking to myself. So like, when I go online, I don't base my values on how many friends I have on Facebook, how many followers on Instagram or YouTube. Like, I don't think I am a more important person today. Like, I'm kind of a big deal because of my followers. Like, I don't want to be presumptuous. Let's say the channel hits 100,000, I'll be so thankful and we'll probably do a live stream and we'll celebrate and we'll be popping the bottles and having fun and it'll be all good. Can we hang plastic and shoot champagne everywhere? Like, do they do with the finals? Yes. Oh, it's happening. Oh yeah. Yes, that'll happen on stream. Oh yeah. Yes. That's the best idea I've heard out of you yet. We should have had them prepared for E3 in case we were short breath a while too. That was a popping moment for me. But that would be like for the channel. Yeah, so like, that's cool. And I definitely enjoy that, but it's also like, we hit 100,000 and then, you know, I walk away from the computer and I go, okay. So... Cool, what's for dinner? Yeah, like, what's for dinner? Like, I kind of move on, you know, I don't know if you call that humbleness. I don't know if I even go that far. It's just more of a perspective. I didn't grow up basing my self-values on what other people think of me. And this sometimes even bothers you, like today we went to the dollar store to get some dish soap. No big deal. We just ran out of the dish soap and she wanted to go out of the house because she hasn't been out since her surgery. So she comes with me or we're getting ready to go and I'm just wearing some cruddy, crappy shirt and shorts and not even with a camera. She's like, that's what you're gonna wear. You know, red doesn't go red or this and that. And I'm like, why do I give a shit when anybody at that store thinks of me? I'm like, I care what you think of me. And now because you are, you know, mocking me, I'm gonna go change my clothes, but I'm doing it for you, not for those people there. I don't give two flying fucks what any of those people think. You guys, you got to see me make videos here where my hair is all messed up. Give a shit, look at me and think I look like a piece of shit. I don't give a fuck. Yeah. Like what's what, you know how easy it is for me to not care what you say about me guys? Jesus, almost knocked over the quila. Quila. Okay. Bye. Like. Bye, Felicia. Bye, Felicia. You know, I can turn it off. Still love you guys, but yeah. Like I can turn it off. It literally, it's, you know, if I post something on Twitter and I'm not liking how people are reacting or whatever, you know what I do? To put the phone down. Like there's just so many self valuations that are put into social media and I feel like it's seeping into everything and it's taking what used to be something you could grow out of. I feel like console wars was something you could grow out of. You'd have it all the way through high school. You'd hit college and you'd start to realize really not that big a deal. Who plays what? What's what happened to me? I was all console war. Hit college, didn't matter anyone. Yeah. Nobody cares about it. It's not that important. Yeah. Now. Oh boy. Everything feels like everything's the biggest fucking deal all the time. Yeah. Seriously, does it not feel that way? Everything's the biggest deal all the time. Joe Biden farts on TV. It's the biggest story ever for the next 24 hours and everyone's like, who gives a shit, people fart? Like, but that's the way it is. Like things feel like they're, it's almost, you remember when you were in high school and this is just part of growing up in general but when you're in high school, everything feels like such a huge deal. Everything that happens, everything. Like you, God, I turned in my homework and I'm gonna get 15 points off on that. Like it feels like this massive deal to you, Gray didn't even budge. Doesn't matter to you, you're so disappointed in yourself or you ask someone out, you get rejected. Like, oh my God, this is like, I can't do this, I'm crying. And you had some real shit to cry about eventually by the end of it, but not counting stuff like that, just normal high school shit. That was actual, real big shit. That was huge shit, life changing. But actual normal high school shit. That was not a normal thing. No, no, that's not a normal everyday occurrence in high school. But just normal high school shit, whether it's bullying, whether it's just, you know, your friends don't wanna, don't want you sitting with them at the lunch table for some reason, because you said something in front of rumor and whatever, all that seems like such a big deal. As I grew up, it really wasn't that big a deal. It feels like every day is turning into a high school. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get to. Like that's what, it feels like high school for the younger generation anyways, it just never ends, it just keeps going. But why? No. I think a lot of it's social media. I think it encourages that behavior. You live in the moment, the moment of that tweet you put up. You live, so like, even in the viral video, like people, oh, like how many young YouTubers I see, oh, I'm gonna do anything I can to go viral, anything I can to go viral, anything I can to go viral, then they go viral one time. And then they spend every waking moment the next year trying to do it again. And it's like, I get trying to go for success again, but sometimes it's a bit like, I think that's why some of these dumb challenges that like the Tide Pod fucking challenge, like why there's no part of that challenge that remotely sounds like something anyone should even think about doing, but why? Because it gets attention. And we get into this attention seeking behavior whether it's negative or positive. And I hate it. And I try so hard to keep my kid, my daughter I think is already too long gone because of her other dad. But I try so hard to shelter my kids from it, not saying that, hey, I don't use social media. I mean, I can't be one of those parents like, oh, you can't use social media. I'm a fucking YouTuber. You can't ever think about doing YouTube or do TikTok or you can't do any of this shit because fuck you, but daddy can. It's for adults. I'm like, no, I'm a dumb, their friends are doing it. But it's more about being responsible and how I introduce them to those things and making them realize these are just some things you can do for fun. Maybe if you're lucky, you can make money and do it for a living. I'm not gonna tell my kids you can't do YouTube for a living. You can't be an Instagram model for a living. Of course you can, but it's just like becoming an actor. It's a lot of work and you need some lucky breaks along the way. You might never get there. So it's more like it could be your goal to become a famous YouTuber. My daughter and my middle son, they both look at me and go, man, I want to be a YouTuber like you. And I tell them, you don't want to be like me. You want to be like 30 times bigger than me. But I'm like, but here's the reality. You see how hard dad works at it and I'm not that successful. So keep this in the back of your mind when you're thinking I want to do this for fun. I always say do it for fun. And then if you end up getting a lucky break and becoming popular and making money from it, amazing. But it shouldn't really be your goal. Like this is why I absolutely could see for some YouTubers where YouTube is a job, right? It's literally a job, it's everything. Fine, I could see how that happens. But I don't see a path when you're a child to grow up as I want to be a YouTuber and have that be like fully supported by parents feeling like you're going to be a YouTuber, everything going to buy you the equipment. This is like, you do all this to push them as a YouTuber but there's no guarantee of success in that field. It's not like, oh, I'm going to be an electrician. You get your degree, become your own electrician. You get a job somewhere, an entry-level job. But you can get entry-level YouTube. Anyone can do it. You're everything on YouTube's entry-level. But entry-level in pretty much everything. Like even, I know you've had a proper job for your last degree, but like if you did get one it's just sky's the limit from there. Your work you do determines your future. The thing is too is YouTube's only been around for X number of years. We haven't had the generational, so think of like an actor or things like that where we have generational actors that the family is an actor, their kids are actors. I don't think we have had enough time with YouTube to have a YouTube star, all of a sudden their kids are massive YouTube stars, their kids are massive YouTube. That kind of feeder, quote unquote, feeder program. But even then, even then, that's just like Paris Hilton, I'm rich because my parents are rich. Oh no, but you're saying you don't see a part where a parent would encourage your kids to do. I'm saying like with that in the aspect of- Oh, there are some that do. Some of the biggest YouTubers out there that have kids are saying, hey, my kids want to do YouTube. Well yeah, because you know your kids will be successful because you have a big enough following to give them a start. A start. At least they'll have a better chance than a normal person off the street. Sure, and just like my daughter, she'd have a better chance of getting her first 10,000 subscribers on YouTube because of me. And I know that, but I also know that's nothing. I mean, it's not nothing, but it's nothing in the sense of if you're trying to be it for a career, it's nothing. So like, there's that aspect, I suppose, but I also look at it as that's like anything. Like, you know, my dad's a high up at a company. He could hire me when I graduate if I want. Like it's the same sort of, it's where your parents take their position and give you the advantage to do a similar position if you would like to. When you talk about the generational wealth, what sort of, it's a generational thing like if your dad's a carpenter and you become a carpenter, you could probably work for your dad, et cetera, et cetera, take over the family business and all that. That's basically what it would be with YouTube because eventually the person that's at the top, they got popular in their first place is gonna die, but they can still, before the hell happens, pass everything down the line. So like, but that could happen in any profession, but bottom line is almost every single profession, you're able to get there. Like, if you look at a lot of the popular YouTubers, the most probably, they got to by accident. Now, yeah, they could pass it on down now. Like, Lioness Tech Tips now has a billion channels, but like, that channel becoming as big as it was, Lioness wasn't doing that crap full-time, he was working at a PC hardware store. Like, he wasn't a full-time YouTuber, he kind of got popular by accident and grew from there. And like, that's what I'm saying about when you're looking at any sort of social media, I want to become a star and you don't have a parent or cousin or something who can feed you to get you started, it's all luck. None of these people did this thinking, like, Lioness wasn't doing YouTube videos, thinking I'm gonna be a YouTube video maker for the rest of my life and run this big LMG corporation and run all the, he wasn't thinking of any of that shit. He was doing it because it was fun. Yeah. And got lucky. And that's why I try to tell my kids, do it for fun and get lucky. Yeah, if I end up becoming a mega YouTuber someday, if I am fortunate enough to be the next beat-em-ups and hit a million subscribers someday, that's awesome. But like, you know, I'm in my mid-30s, let's say that happens by the time I'm 50 or something. Okay, cool. But like, I'm still not gonna look at my kids and go like, hey, you should make this like a goal to do this. Because even at a million, I don't know if that's enough to pass down into followers to my daughter doing dumb shit because that's not my audience. The dumb shit might get enough attention depending on how dumb it is. So like, I don't know. That happens nowadays too. But this just all goes into the psyche of the younger generation. And by the way, I'm not saying, again, you can absolutely do social media as a job. But it's also one of those, it's not one of those careers where unless you know someone that will give you a following, there's no guarantee of success. Which you can say that about any career but it's especially true with social media. You could be tick-tocking for 10 years. There's no guarantee you'll ever get more than a single follower and it's probably your mom. I mean, that's just the way it is. Like, there's no guarantee of, you can say there's no guarantees in life, but I'm sorry, when you get a degree in college, if you push hard enough, like, if Eric, the most recent degree, if you just be, say, fuck it, anywhere in the country, I'll go and work, you could find a job for that. If you wanna get far away from your family and other values you might have, screw it. Fuck it, I'll go work at Dubai. You could find a job doing it somewhere, but there's not a degree to become a YouTuber that guarantees you're gonna be able to go somewhere and be successful at YouTube. Now, could you be a videographer that has a whole world of opportunities and YouTube would be one of those, but you aren't the person building the following, right? Like, you're the person that's gonna be behind the scenes. So like, sure, you can get into YouTube in that sense. Passion for videography, a passion for editing. Like, you can be a video editor because you can not only do that for multiple YouTubers, you can do that for other production companies and stuff. So like, there are paths, but to be like a host, homegrown from your home, like, that's all luck, unless someone gave you a following. No one gave me any of my shit. It pisses me off while losing some of the farmers. Build that fucking thing up. But that's one thing that does still work for me to this day. Hmm, sold for 70,000. I wonder how it was worth $70,000. Hmm, the guy, so the owner who sold it, who hadn't been around in three years, sold it for 70,000. Last time he was around, he got 200 views. Now it's getting four million a month. Don't know. You know, it's almost like that 70,000 should be mine. Yeah. Anyways, that's how it works. We had a couple extra super chats. Yes, that's what I want, some shots. And if you had a working laptop, you'd be able to read. I would. Technically it works. I just don't know where the power cord went. Yes, this little thing. We had a couple, I see one. Just a prop. Prop. There's, I think at least two. Oh. Nope, that's the Drew Holiday Layout one. Pretty sure. Just from reading off the screen. Taker 610 said F spawncast. Prime podcast of where it's at. Prime podcast! Yeah, that's it. I thought there was one more. Nope. Taker 610, there's another one out here that the Bucks are guaranteed the championship in 2071. What? According to the Taker. Oh, no, no, are you talking about the Taker? That's from a previous stream. Well, I was like, wait a second. I remember that one. That was last time I streamed. Got it, we just didn't clear the Taker. Cheers, yeah, I didn't clear the Taker. On that one. OK. So there was already one super chat on there from. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. OK. What's the massive surprise happening for Switch? Oh, gosh. That's a very fair question since that's in the title. Yes, it is. So one, the title is obviously a little bit clickbaity. But beyond that, the surprise is that future Nintendo games like Xenome Chronicles 3 and Breath of the Lahtu might be massive, like 30 plus gigs in size, which suggests games are bigger than we've ever seen from Nintendo. OK, so Gimpler, the happenin' says, I'm sure there's a formula to be successful on YouTube, but this platform is still fairly new. Like, I was in a pop band with a pop music formula to have a hit song, but that industry is more mature. So like, you can look like Mr. Beast, right? He blew up. But is he, like, he made videos where he's like, if I'm not in a million subscribers in five years, then, you know, at this place, I'm out. OK, that's fine. But like, even as he was doing things to get attention and grow his channel, he knew, and you could tell in his early videos that he had no idea if it was gonna work. Now, you can always figure it out, not all sure, because he's been doing it long enough and been successful at it. But at the beginning, you can watch his early video. He had no, he was in college. You know, like, he had no idea his YouTube channel was gonna blow up. He wanted it to, of course, but he wasn't like banking on it. Then, when it got big enough, he dropped out of college and everything else. So it's like, you can argue there's a formula, but nobody's really figured it out. Every person, like, even when Mark Rober, like, came to it and did it, he had no idea he was gonna give you, he was working for NASA, right? An actual astrophysicist, like, crazy intelligent, massive engineer. He's so really brilliant. You know, you gotta be to work at NASA. And yet, he started making YouTube videos and he had no idea those YouTube videos were gonna do well. But they did. One went viral, then two went viral. Next thing you know, anything he makes goes viral. Like, he didn't know that. He didn't know when he started making videos that were gonna blow up and he was gonna be a YouTuber. No idea. So, and a lot of these YouTubers, by the way, they've talked about this publicly and said we have no idea how we got here. Like, we know what works now, but we didn't know this was gonna work when we started. So, when you see some of these videos, this person broke the code. This person knows that nobody knows. Nobody actually knows how to start from nothing and become something. No, like, even when you look at, like, SwitchForce, right? SwitchForce is almost at 400,000 subscribers. Guess what? They were able to siphon off of Ghost Robo's channel. It has almost 2 million because the person who runs SwitchForce built that channel up. So, he got to kickstart SwitchForce to becoming his primary channel that he does now. But you ask him, how did you get the Ghost Robo channel to be popular? He has no fucking clue. We'll all say hard work, dedication, schedule. We'll talk about all this stuff and then you'll see other YouTubers that don't work hard, don't have a consistent schedule and they're just as big. Because there's not really a method to getting popular. Unless you're gonna say the method is, know someone who's already popular, that wants to help you out. Like, okay, sure, that's like, that's what a guarantee, we just talked about, that's like, Gary. I cracked, you wear a squirrel mask. You wear a squirrel mask. That's the problem. I should be wearing a squirrel mask every video. Yep. And when I make the nut joke. Yes, squirrel's gone wild. Squirrel's gone wild. And I make the nut joke. I have the biggest walnut. Yes. I just pull, I reach in and pull out the biggest nut you've ever seen. Right. This is a gaming podcast. So when Jay did it, so that's pretty new. People are just getting into YouTube. Here's what I'll say about the YouTube and new thing. I get that, it's only like, you know, 15, 16 years old. Here's what I'll say about YouTube. It's the number two most visited website on the planet. I don't think we're past the point of calling that new. The only thing that's more popular is it's parents company, google.com. It's Google and YouTube. Two most popular websites in the world. So I don't think we can just sit here and keep calling it new when it's been consistently number two forever. I don't know, maybe it'll pass Google someday. I have no idea. It's new in the fact of like a career. Generational career based, yeah, type that type. But again, I still don't think there's ever gonna be a time that you could say, go to college, get a YouTuber degree. Right. And start from nothing and guarantee you're getting anywhere. Whereas a lot of other career paths, it's like, look, as long as you're willing to move and go anywhere, you could find something. And as an example, go and get a degree as a nurse. You're gonna find a job. Yeah. It's high demand position. Oh, for sure. Not really a high demand for YouTubers. I would say the demand for YouTubers is not a demand. It's a convenience. Yeah, there's no demand for YouTubers. Like when you guys are watching YouTube, you think, man, I wish a YouTuber existed that did X, Y, and Z. You know what happens? The people that say that, they make it. They go to it themselves. Right. Like, I don't know. It's a weird medium. This is a weird medium. Just look at the guy who didn't have a dad growing up and now he has his own YouTube channel doing dad things, teaching people how to do, you know, as if he was their dad, you know, type of thing. That's freaking awesome. Yeah. I don't remember what the guy's name, which, yeah, I'm sorry, I don't, but. But that's the thing. That person started the YouTube. Yep, I know how to get popular and make it do this for a living. Well, no. But. Like I said, and talk about how new it is, but bottom line is it doesn't matter how new it is, social media is not. I mean, TikTok's way newer. Social media has been around for like two decades now. We're getting to the point where I know it's not like 100 years old, but I mean, it's, someone was born at the beginning, they'd be 20. It's been around long enough. So the point where social media is very understood to be something that there's no guaranteed success at. And the YouTube, I think people forget, is a social media platform. People forget sometimes that YouTube is a social media platform, since it's a video platform, and there's so many businesses and companies and doing it for a living and ads, people are all like, oh yeah, YouTube's not social media, it is social media. It's just a video social media platform. So I don't know. I don't, I'm, hey, I think all you guys are being here though. I thank you for the 93 plus we still have watching. You guys are awesome. Those are extra long episodes. They've been a couple long episodes in a row. It's been a while. It's one of those, the episodes will be a bit long for a bit before we start dialing back to about 90 minutes because we haven't done doing podcasts for a while. So we're kind of just letting it fly because I feel like I owe you guys longer shows because god damn, dude, I remember Momentum. Don't lose it for me three. All right, let's just not do a podcast for a month and a half. Sorry, well then, whoops. Yet again, we were at like 130, 140, although then my clickbait work. Did we prove, we'll have to compare this to last week and see if the click, you know what it was though. It'd be like, the clickbait didn't work. It was a squirrel mask. They saw that and said, nope. Or they'll say Eric was there. I mean, that's a sexy beast. But I doubt it. I don't know why anybody watches for me, but cool, thank you, hi. Because you're wearing a Bucks final shirt. I am. Worth it just for that. So anyway, thank you guys for tuning in. It's been a fun podcast. Hopefully you guys learned something. If you didn't learn anything, I'll know that I'm an idiot. All right, cool. So yeah, we'll be back next week. Probably have a special guest. I did have a guest today that backed out. You know, I don't like bad talking people, so we'll just leave it at that. But we'll have hopefully a new guest next week. No, some people will be like, get Andre's restart. I hear you. Because he was like a semi-regular before. He will be on again just not next week. He's still on vacation. He's on like a super long vacation. I don't know if I'm allowed to say where he's at, but I know where he's at. Just to say he's not in the country. So he'll be back. I think he said next week, Thursday, so that's past our podcast date. So it won't be next week, so it'll probably pop on the week after. Besides that, I guess some other people I've been talking to behind the scenes, trying to get some stuff worked out with schedules and everything. So we will be back though next week, Wednesday. Probably on time. We have a guest. We're always on time. If we don't, we just kind of wing it when we feel like it, because I'm not gonna rush myself on it. So if it's scheduled, Eric's here, cool. So all right, we'll make it work. We were watching a bit of the Brewer game as an example, it really distracted me. The 110 nothing. Of course they did. So we were watching the Brewer game for a little bit there, and then I looked at the time and you're like, oh right, I don't have anything set up yet. Oh well, I guess we'll just do this at nine. Oh, get close to nine. Okay, maybe nine, 20. So even then, this really isn't that long we cast, like two hours or so, whatever. But then you guys are tuning in. We're at three, dude. No, we're not. Yeah, we're at five, 251. Yeah, it's not exactly that, because remember, 60 minute run-up, so it's like two and a half. It's like two and a half. Two and a half. Splitting hairs over here. Five, five. Here we go, start beating each other. Go back to the E3. Good job! Yeah, you're right. Get over here! Don't, you really all hobble down here and beat your ass. Remember what happened? Probably because I woke the kids up. Well no, remember? You don't know how to get angry at me anymore. You should come down here and beat your ass. Nah, I'm pretty sure I can outrun her right now. Pretty sure I can outrun her before the surgery, to be honest. But I just take it, I'm a man. You know what I get? No, you're not. You're not 40. Oh god. Okay. That's it. Nope. It's podcast. It's podcast. Oh boy. Thank you guys for tuning in. You can find our podcasts whenever I decide to upload it on any of your favorite podcast services. It's been a while. Oh boy. Otherwise you can find it right here on YouTube. Thank you so much for tuning in. This is a one of a kind YouTube show, if you didn't know. We finished this off with a quick three-shotter. We're gonna call this a night. You guys are awesome. Eric, where could they find you on the socials? Twitter at emo8790. That's pretty much it. Otherwise, here Wednesdays. Yup. You can find me. I don't even know. Everywhere. Anywhere that a Nintendo Prime exists. Instagram. Twitter's at nintyprime. Only fans? I don't know. I think I have a Nintendo Prime account on only fans. Really? Oh. There's nothing on it. There's nothing on it. By the way, if you find it, there's nothing there. Maybe, you know what? If we ever get kicked off Patreon, which God, we never mentioned Patreon. I make like no money on Patreon anymore. Scroll back. But, if we ever lose all our members on YouTube and lose everyone on Patreon, I'm converting. We're just gonna have it only fans as a way to benefit the channel. Ooh. Whoa. Uh-oh. That's an alarm. Let me know. Actually, it's not for me, it's for somebody else. I think yesterday we'll catch you in the next episode next week. Peace.