 Who is the angel of the Lord a lot of debate? I don't think it really should be very much debated about I think it's pretty clear But how about since it's important it's important enough for it to be in the Bible How about we cover it? Because maybe you all are convinced but maybe you want to have some extra ammunition for when someone else denies that His true identity remember God is after a relationship with his people And so because of that there's no ends that he won't go to to meet that and so when we think about the angel of the Lord We hear this term and initially when you start hearing this in the Bible You're going to see some terms before we start hearing now I believe the angel of the Lord is Jesus, but before you hear the name Jesus You're gonna hear the name the Lord God the angel of the Lord the angel of God whom I believe The angel of the Lord is God. I believe the angel of God is God I believe that obviously God is God the Lord is God I also believe that this is Jesus the pre-incarnate Jesus as well and so To see if that's the case because after all it's possible that I could be wrong, right? So the first time that we see this let's go ahead and go to the scriptures the first time we see this is in Genesis Excuse me 167 and we see Hagar Hagar is Abraham's mistress Actually, I take it back. It's Sarah's mistress be technical But also Abraham's because of what they decided to cook up. Well She is upset and so she leaves and who goes to get her Well, she has an encounter with the angel of the Lord and so here he says the angel of the Lord Verse 7 of chapter 16 found her by the spring water in the wilderness by the spring on the way to Sherb And he said hey Gar Sarah's made where have you come from and where are you going? She says I am fleeing from the presence of Sarai the angel of the Lord said return to hers now the question is going to be Why would we have any reason to believe that the angel of the Lord is God or even more to the point of this video? Why would we believe that the angel of the Lord is? Jesus now a couple of things because someone's only the pushback and see that's an angel and if we say an angel an angel Well that an angel mean and I'm just throwing out, you know, how we normally depict an angel some angelic being made with wings Obviously angels don't necessarily have wings But it can be one of three things an angel can be used to describe either an angelic being like we would customarily think of an angel It can be a person a human being because the word angel simply means Messenger and so in this case a messenger of the Lord Or as I'm proposing and as many you all believe that it also could be Someone who is divine in other words God Well, is there are there examples of the word angel being used of a human being of a man? Well, yes before we continue with before we continue with Genesis 16 Let's go to hey guy chapter 1 verse 13 And then we see then hey guy the messenger of the Lord spoke by commission now The word that's used here for the messenger and hey guy is this Hebrew word my leg Look to the right hand side and you see the term my leg as a matter of fact look below me below my my picture And you'll see the Hebrew term and then you'll also see the English word for it It says messenger and also the English version of it would also or another version of it would be Angel why is that important because if we go back to Genesis 16 we look at the word angel What do we see here the exact same Hebrew word that's used there for the angel of the Lord? Which is the Hebrew word my leg? so the term my leg or angel means messenger it can be a man It can be an actual angelic creature Or we're going to find out that in some case it's more than the than just that It can also be Someone who is divine. Well, there's only one person who's divine that is God Now let's continue in Galatians 16. I'm sorry Galatians. I'm going to keep saying Galatians Genesis 16 Verse nine the angel of the Lord said to her return to your mistress and submit to her authority Moreover the angel of the Lord said to her I will greatly multiply your decisions. Well now the angel of the Lord is taking a lot of of Taking some responsibilities upon himself if he's not if he's not divine If he's not divine well, then that's a whole lot of some assuming and kind of Nudging in on someone else's territory if he says I will the angel of the Lord is saying I will Multiply your descendants verse 11 the angel of the Lord said to her behold you are with child and you will bear a son Notice what he says because the Lord has given he to your affliction He says that he would be a wild don't give a man. So he's telling Telling her what her son and really her his his descendants are going to be like but they look at verse 13 Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her The name of the Lord who spoke to her She called him You are a god who sees me Couple things well before I get to it. Let me ask you guys a question As a matter of fact, let me just go ahead and peruse the poll in the poll I asked Who do you all think the angel of the lord is 12% says is an angelic messenger? Not jesus or god 1% said jesus, but not god 73% said jesus who is god and then 14% said not sure So question in the chat you all tell me who do you think the angel of the lord is? Do you think he's god? jesus I'm sorry. Let me rephrase this. Do you think he's just a messenger? Do you think he is god? Meaning jesus or it's jesus but not god What how do you interpret who do you think the angel of the lord is now we're going to show some proof I think conclusive proof That this is jesus. This is god. I believe that jesus is god now. Obviously This was or this is a big issue. This is a sticking point Jesus Is god As far as we believe jesus is god. I think we've covered that enough But we're gonna also make that make that point here as well jesus is god hey, man I didn't I didn't delete your someone's asking it. Why did I delete their last comment? I didn't I didn't delete your comment So sorry, but if it was deleted wasn't me So the and the reason why I see that I'm looking at these comments Most of you are saying jesus christ is god the lord jesus the lord god Jesus who is god amen jesus Now the question is going to be the point is going to be where someone is going to is going to be some pushback The pushback is going to be well. Wait a second. That's just haygar here haygar is calling him the lord She says then she called the name of the lord Well, the lord she called the name of the lord What does she call him? She says you are a god who sees a couple of things about this Haygar is making the statement. Is it possible that? That haygar is wrong Someone says maybe moses was more than than just a regular man. Well, remember The problem with that with that assessment though is moses wasn't there And that's a good point to bring up here Haygar calls him haygar calls him or calls this says you are a god Who sees well, how many gods are there? They're just one haygard Had no uh misunderstanding the thing that there was more than one god But she says you are a god so she's calling the angel the lord god. Could she be wrong? Well Again, we're not getting this first hand from haygar. We are getting this from who? From moses now moses wasn't there Though moses is telling us the story However, if moses thought that she was incorrect moses would have surely corrected us or corrected her But god is the one that's telling this to moses who is telling us moses was not there moses was not born yet So how does moses know because god is telling moses this story moses also adds something On top of what haygar says remember haygar calls him a god who sees But moses says that she called the name of the lord who spoke to her So who spoke to her who is the angel of the lord moses says that the lord is the angel of the lord That's vitally important. So remember guys the angel of the lord according to moses Is the lord The angel of the lord according to haygar is god moses doesn't doesn't correct her God doesn't tell moses to correct what she says. So now continuing forward That's going to be vitally important as a matter of fact. Let me put this on the screen as well I think I think this is necessary to go through this. We cover this before and so I want to make sure that we cover it again He moses is just called the angel of the lord the lord Remember moses just called the angel of the lord the lord moses also says who the lord is It was shown to you that you might know that the lord he is god So moses says the lord is god verse 39 he reiterates it again Know therefore today that take it to your heart that the lord He is god in heaven above and on earth below There is no other there is no other lord There is no other god the angel of the lord according to moses is the lord And moses just tells us that the lord is god So even before we could really stop the broadcast We I think we could really stop the broadcast right here because moses just made the point for us The lord is god the angel the angel of the lord is the lord the lord is god If a equals b b equals c then c also equals a Are you guys with me? Where's cameron to say i'm with you Jeff you're supposed to be taking this place if he if he's not here. So you guys with me amen Now I want I want to read a couple of passages To to kind of nail this home I want to go to matter of fact. Let's go to let's go to when the lord appears to to moses Something that he says in exodus 6 to God spoke further to moses and said to him. I am the lord So therefore we can see The lord is god the god god is the lord He spoke to moses and said I am the lord I appeared to abraham to isaac and jacob. Let's pause there for a second We're going to come back to this passage in just a minute, but I want you to remember what god just told moses I appeared to abraham isaac and jacob. We're gonna look at those passages just a little bit before we do Let's go back a little further. Actually, let's go forward from exodus 6 to exodus 23 Thank you, michael. Let me I appreciate the super chat in exodus 23 20. Look what he says behold. I am sending An angel. There's that word though. This word melec. It just simply means a messenger The question is who is this messenger? Is this messenger going to be angelic Or is this messenger going to be A man like we see in hey guy or or hi guy. I should say it correctly Or is this a divine messenger? And again, if it's a divine messenger, there's only one who's divine. That is the lord god. We're going to figure this out. He says I'm going to send an angel before you to guard you along the way and to bring you into a place Which I have prepared So whoever this messenger's angel is going to be he's going to take them into a place where he has prepared well spoiler alert Where they're going to god says that he is the one that's leading them But now he's saying it's an angel or messenger Be on your guard before him and obey his voice And do not be rebellious towards him for he will not pardon your transgressions Since my name is in him. The problem is He's making a statement that really only god can stay or god can can fulfill. Remember guys Who can forgive sin? That's the question who can forgive sin Well, only god can forgive sin I don't know if you guys want me to actually put the passage up But i'll just quote a couple of them for you josh with 24 19 and 20 where we see that is god Who forgive who forgive sins mark 2 7 When the jews says that it's god when jesus says that he's forgiving sins And the jews are upset only god can forgive sins and jesus didn't correct him because he's correct Only god can forgive sins. That's why jesus says i'm forgiving sins And then also what does john say about jesus when he sees him He says look the lamb of god who takes away sins So this whole business of taking away sins for giving sins That's up to god and god only but jesus does the same thing and so Is jesus some imposter is jesus trying to uh move in on god's territory? No, why because jesus Is god and so notice what he says also he says you will obey his voice Do not be rebellious toward him for if if if so he will not pardon or forgive your sins Since and this part is important. He says my name Is in him Now here's a question on the floor ladies and gentlemen By the way, hello, senior conrad the question on the floor is Can god or can someone else have his name? He says my name is in him now Understand something vitally important There's some things god ain't sharing God is not sharing his name nor is god sharing his glory. How do I know so? Let's go to Isiah 40 to 8 And he says I am the lord. Well, who is the lord? The lord is god We've been told that the lord is god god is the lord. That is my Name That is my name the word shame or in this case should mean which is my name That is my name. I will not give my glory to another problem is the problem is Jesus Is warning this same glory as a matter of fact we are told by John in John 1 That we beheld his glory the glory of the only begotten of the father So there's only one glory that we are beholden to there's only one glory that we submit to There's only one glory that we're in all of the glory that proceeds from the father and Jesus prays Give me back the glory that I had with you in the beginning But you just said god That you will not give your glory to another nor my praise to graven images So in other words, this can only be if you've got his name and got his glory You can only be god otherwise you are an imposter Which would make any sense since god is the one in many cases dictating this to us now Moses is doing something but all these things are done under the inspiration of the holy spirit Remember the bible tells us that all scripture Including the old testament scriptures are given because they are breathed out by the spirit of god so therefore This glory that we're speaking of Can only be god's glory. Let's go back to it. So he says he's sending an angel He says but if you truly obey his voice and do all that I say Which is kind of interesting if you truly obey his voice But do all that I say Is that kind of a play on words maybe He says I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to my to your adversaries For my angel will go before you and bring you into the land of amorites to parasites to hit tithes and so forth Now the problem is though if you think that he is not a god Who did god say we won't go through I'll let you guys go through it on your own But who did god say was the one that brought them up out of egypt into this land? god did That's important But because the sake of time I won't cover all of those particular passages But I want to go back to the passage we just read in exodus 6 by the way We're going back to exodus again a little further in exodus In exodus 6 better. Let me type this in I want to make sure I want to make sure that I don't forget this as well Important passage as matter of fact, let me give myself a little title So I can remember where to go after this but now go back to exodus 6 2 He says god spoke further to moses and said to him i am the lord Who is the lord god who was who did moses call the angel the lord? moses called the angel the lord god also And I appeared to abraham isaac and jacob as god almighty, but my name Lord I did not make myself known to them Now that's important. I appeared to them But my name I did not make known. Well, what does he mean? But my name Uh, this should mean now notice what what his name is this word for lord is the heber word yaway The yad hey wahey. This is the yaway. Remember why this is important He says I appeared to Abraham isaac and jacob But he did not make make known his name the lord. Why is that important? I'm gonna come back to that him not making his name known in just a little bit Let's go back though to exodus 3 This is when moses first meet first meets the lord at the burning bush in exodus 3 Notice what he says and let's go to verse 2 The angel the lord appeared to him to who to moses moses didn't need anyone to recount this story Why because moses was there he's telling the story Now he also tells it kind of in a third person's standpoint. He's talking to moses, but he is moses And the angel I mean and the lord the angel of the lord appeared to him to who to moses How did he appear to him? He appeared to him in a blazing fire From the midst of a bush And looked and behold the bush was burning yet the fire did not consume the bush So Who is and I know we've done this before guys, but there are some people that haven't heard this And so I want them to kind of get the pictures. Well, I want them to kind of go along But if you've heard this before fine, just further Confidence in what the word says just further solidify what the word says. So Hello, absolute truth. Thank you for asking. Thank you for saying hello to me. How are you, sir? Glad you made it. You came a little bit late, but guess what? It's okay. Long as you're here. Amen And so what does he say the angel the lord appeared to him? Where was the angel of the lord at this time ladies and gentlemen? Now this is where I want you guys to participate This is class participation time. All right, if not I will shut this thing down and I will come see you. I'll be there in 10 15 minutes No, I won't I wish I had the ability to be where you guys are in 10 15 minutes I would be somewhere marketing that product a billion dollars I'd make but anyway, I want you guys to participate I want because I want to see where you guys are going what you guys are thinking So because I want to make sure I want to make sure it's not just me so Who is in the midst of the burning bush? Finally important. Who is there to me? This is just to me. I could be wrong could be wrong Eyes aren't the best get a little bit older so forth So it could be me But who is in the midst of the burning bush to me? It looks like he says the angel of the lord is in the midst of the burning bush Could be now wait a second. Wait a second. We have stopped the presses Stop the presses and your kind of rat said that his birthday Is coming up. Well, when's your birthday brother? Happy birthday. Happy 22nd birthday Got a full head of hair because he's 22 22 years old. Amen But who's who's in the midst of the burning bush? The lord, right? Does anyone disagree the angel of the lord? I said the lord the angel of the lord is in the midst of the burning bush The angel of the lord is in the midst of the burning bush. Well, amen I think that's pretty self-explanatory the angel of the lord then he says He looked and behold the bush was not burning And he wanted to turn and see why it was not consumed verse three So moza said I must turn aside and see this marvelous sight verse four when the lord So wait a second the lord Is now introduced first we see the term or the title The angel of the lord now we're now it says the lord When the lord saw that he turned aside to look God called from the midst of the burning bush. So according to this passage Who is in the midst of the burning bush according to verse four verse four only? Who is in the midst of the burning bush? I see it as the lord and god now you may just say just god, which is fine Which is fine. You don't have to say that it was the lord. You can say it was just god That's fine. Why is it just fine because we already know that god is the lord and the lord is god That part we already know but according to verse four Who is in according to verse four and say it again? Who is in the midst of the burning bush? God is according to verse four however according to verse two the angel of the lord is in the midst of the burning bush So verse two the angel of the lord verse four the lord and god or god So Either we have a party going on inside the midst of the burning bush is getting a bit crowded Or the lord the angel of the lord god they are those those three titles represent God who is in the midst of the burning bush Are you with me? Now there's a reason why we're going here because according to just the plain reading of the text The lord the angel of the lord god in the midst of the burning bush And what does he say his name is because he says He says Or moses does who shall I say sent me? So let's go to verse Verse 14 God says Uh, I am who I am the term that's used when I haven't highlighted. I haven't unhighlighted it yet So it's still highlighted. He uses this term I share I share which is if you're going to say I am from the first person standpoint That's how you would say it But how would you say I am who I am from the second person standpoint? Well, let's drop down a little further the lord god the god of your father. He said that I would matter of I went too far. I went too far Here it is Verse Oh still still in verse 14. He says said that I am sent you now. Let's go over here He says I am has sent you And so verse 15 god said furthermore the most thus you shall send the sons to israel the lord The god of your fathers who the lord Yahweh the god of your fathers Um the god of abraham the god of isaac the god of jacob has sent me. This is my name Forever This is my name forever. Let's pause there for one second. Let's go back to isiah 42 And notice what he says again. I am the lord That is my name I will not give my glory anyone. But what does he say here? He says this is my name Forever and this is my and this is my memorial name to all the generations go and gather all the elders of israel together And said in the lord the god of your the god of your fathers the god of abraham the god of isaac and jacob Has appeared to me and who does he say I am is he says that I am this is the Jehovah the Yahweh name right here. So thus the lord This Yahweh that he says also in isaac the lord is my name. He used the term Yahweh Why is that important because from a third person from me saying this is him who sent me If I say that I am I'm going to use the Yahweh. So that's what he says. So we see Five titles five terms the lord The angel the lord god Eche and Yahweh But we wouldn't say Eche because that's him saying of himself Amen Why is that important? well Going back to what moses just said in exodus six He says I am i'm sorry. I appeared to abraham to isaac and jacob as god almighty But my name The lord I did not make known to myself That is important guys. Remember that point Someone go ahead and put a pin In this verse. We're going to come back to it because what we need to do now is When Did god when did the lord god appear to abraham? When did this angel of the lord appear to abraham to isaac and to jacob? Well, he first appeared or i shouldn't say first appeared But let's deal with a few of the times that he that he appeared to him As a matter of fact, I want to deal with this one here in Genesis 18 The lord appeared to him by the oaks of my mother. This is him appearing to abraham While he was sitting at the tent of the of the door in the heat of the day when he looked at his eyes He looked in the hole of three men were there And the and the word is anashin, which is for men but Do you all remember this story? This is the story when god is getting ready to destroy satan and gamora God or the lord stays there So there's three men one of the men stays That one man that stays Is the lord? This is who abraham is having a conversation lord if there are 50 righteous would you destroy it if there are 50 righteous there Ever met story the other two men go down to satan and gamora And they're identified as what as angels. So again angels messengers also Um, they appear so these three Messengers these three men appear one is the lord two of them are angels And they lead a lot and his family except for his wife because she decided she wanted to look back She wanted to be nosy And so she was turned into a pillar So the lord who is a messenger the lord in this case is a messenger who was also revealed to him as a man Obviously not a man like us, but these three men appear to him Where else where else did he show up? Well, also he appeared to him in uh, Genesis 22 11 But the angel of the lord called to him from angel. I mean from heaven abraham abraham he said here I am Who called to abraham? From heaven the angel of the lord again going back to exodus 6 2 I am the lord and I appeared to abraham isaac and jacob And so here we see him in in genesis 22 11 the angel of the lord also appearing to abraham So it's clear that the angel of the lord also appeared to at least abraham But then what about him appearing to isaac? well in Uh, 26 one of genesis now there was a famine in the land Beside the previous famine that had occurred in the days of abraham So isaac went to garrar to abimelech the king of philistine the lord appeared to him to who? To isaac. So here's the account of the lord also Appearing to him and notice what he says the lord appeared to him Do not go down to egypt stay in the land of of uh, I'm sorry of which I shall tell you Sojourn in this land and I will be with you and bless you Uh for to you and to your descendants I will give these lands and I will establish the oath which I swore to your father abraham Remember he also met with abraham and spoke to him about Him giving him this land as well The same angel of the lord that spoke to abraham about giving him this land is now recounting this to his son isaac Now remember what he says And going back to exodus 6 He says that I appeared to abraham isaac and jacob as god almighty, but my name The lord I did not make myself known him. So he didn't tell him that now. Why is this important? Because then he also appears to jacob Then the angel of god Uh said to me in a dream now question Here's another term that's given the angel of god Is the angel of god also the angel of the lord? Yes, if we were to go to judges chapter 6 The angel of god is called also the angel of the lord when he's speaking to gitty He's called himself the angel of the lord the angel of god as well as the lord Are you guys with me so far? So the angel of god is also the angel of the lord and so he shows up to them now. He makes a statement That but I did not make my name known to them. Why is that important? Well, let's see. Let's find this point. Let's find uh, where's his verse at? Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go back to this particular verse where he's meeting with jacob. Let's go to 32 no, you know, I'm sorry. I'm sorry before we go to 32. Let's let's stay in 31 There's a reason why I want to stay there for a second. He says verse 12 He says he said lift up your lift up now your eyes and see that all the male goats Which are mating are stripes beckled and modeled For I have seen all that layman has been doing to you. And so who is the angel of god? He says I am the god of Bethel where you are knowing it. Where you are knowing it a pillar So who is the angel of god? I just want to make this also clear as well Because I want to drive this point home The angel of the lord is also the angel of god according to according to gideon's Recountation or recantation in exercise of gideon In judges six He calls himself the angel of god and the angel of the lord and who was he also? He says I am the god of Bethel But now I want to go to another encounter with the angel of the lord In genesis 32 24 Notice what he says then jacob was left alone and a man And a man Rest with him until daybreak. I want to drop down to verse 26 After he disc dislocates, uh, jacob's leg Whoever whoever this man is He says let me go for the dawn is breaking But he said I will not let you go unless you bless me So he that is the man that's wrestling with jacob says What is your name? And he said jacob And he said to him your name shall no longer be jacob But is real for you have striven with god and with men then jacob asked him What is your name? Please tell me your name But he said why is it that you asked my name and he blessed him Now before we go further and deal with this name part Jacob gives a name also He says so jacob named the place peniel for he said I have seen god face to face Well, what does this word peniel mean? This word peniel is made up of two words penny, which is face and ale god face of god I've seen the face of god now remember Remember he says or jacob asked him. What is my name? But according to Chapter six of exodus he says I appeared to abraham to isaac and jacob As god almighty so he appears to them as god almighty, but my name the lord I did not make known to them Jacob asked him for his name. He did not tell him his name as the lord at that point in time The point is though and we won't get into as to as to why but the point is that the angel of the lord has shown up And he is called the lord He is called the angel of god. He is called god. He is called Yahweh Yahweh himself calls himself. I am our ecce So here we see who he is now I want to throw up something else Notice what he says who the lord says he is in isaac 43 11 says I even I Am the lord that word Yahweh and there is no savior besides me There is no savior besides me It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed and there was no strange god among you So you are my witnesses declares the lord. I am god Even from eternity I am he and there is none who can deliver out of my hand I act and who can reverse it. By the way, it's vitally important that you understand this passage that he just makes right here Who can deliver you out of my hand? Jesus brings the same the same point up in john 10 29. He says No one can take the session out of my father's hand. My father and I are one This is what he's piggybacking off. I won't make a big point out of that just yet But he says I am god the lord. I am god and there is no savior I'm the savior and I am god and there is no savior Besides me There is no save no savior besides me Continuing back to isaac 42 8. I am the lord that is my name and I will not give my glory to another So he's the lord. He's the savior. He will not give his glory to anyone else Who ladies and gentlemen is the lord? The same lord is the same angel of the lord by the way Who is the savior since the lord just says he is god? But he's also the savior and there is no other savior besides him Well, let's go to titus titus 2 13 paul says looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of The glory of our this word glory of our great god and savior jesus christ So who is jesus christ jesus christ is our great god and savior remember? There is no other god and no other savior besides the lord Why is that important? Well, ladies and gentlemen again when we go to romans 10 and we talk about how a person must be saved now Remember jesus made the statement in john 8 24 and 58 That he is the i am and if you don't believe that then the bible says that you will die in your sins And you must confess that he is the lord verse 9 Of romans 10 that if you confess with your mouth that jesus as lord, is there any other lord other than the lord Are there several lords in a generic sense? You can call a person who might have some authority over you as lord But not in terms of salvation How do we know so if you confess that jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god is ready from the dead You will be saved for with the heart a person believes resulting in righteousness And with the mouth he confesses resulting in salvation for the scripture says Whoever believes in him Who's the him the lord will not be disappointed for there is no distinction between jew and greek for look what he says For the same lord is lord of all Jesus as lord is lord of all in other words. There is no other lord above him He is lord of all And how do we know he is the lord verse 13? Whoever whoever or the person is calling on the name of the lord Ta'anuma curia, which is the name of the lord Definiteness is there but the lord that person will be saved. Well, how could that be? Well because he is the saver god The lord The angel of the lord The angel of god Jesus Savior There is no distinction now. Now, obviously there's more to this thing. We're not we're not we're not promoting a oneness Doctrine of theology here, but when you see the angel of the lord of the lord in the old testament You literally see God When you see the angel of the lord in the old testament you literally see jesus I think I saw someone said imagine what it what it's like to actually encounter or be in the presence of god Wouldn't it be awesome? How awesome would that be to actually literally be in the presence of god? Well We actually have Because simply by placing your faith in christ Who comes to stay with you? The lord himself The holy spirit so god takes up residence in you. So Uh In one sense it would be wonderful to have witnessed The glory of the lord to see the angel of the lord before you and to have a conversation to speak with him But even more so to have him not to speak with with you from without But to speak with you from within I think that's even better what say you