 They can look it up. Whatever Arcade fire another French Canadian band Who else I'm not talking Canadian specifically French Canadian French Canadian. Oh Celine Dion the most famous. Oh, there we go. Yeah, okay Giant ship in a movie with Leonardo DiCaprio. Well, she did Yeah, in a music video she I don't think she like she didn't die in the music video No, she's still alive. She sang the songs the beautiful songs that make the world You know, she should do Barry Manilow covers No, she's still running in Vegas, or did she I think her I think I think it's Brittany now, right? It's Brittany bitch. I think that that was at the The same casino, okay, it was Celine and now it's Brittany Apparently they are I was listening to one of my favorite podcast the ice cream social podcast that is based in Vegas And they talk a lot about Vegas industry stuff, but apparently the the palms once the One of the epicenters of cool young Vegas in the early aughts late 90s One of the real worlds one of the real world sweet. Yeah place in the palms. Mm-hmm Yeah, that always had their CES party. They are now apparently gearing up to become a super hip destination again I think they have a a car residency and all these new like themed sweets and some gigantic Video wall they just put in but Allegedly now gonna be a new cool. It's like a slam dunk video wall I'd rather stay Little off the strip. So I think it's a Yeah, yeah took took me a minute apologize, but Corey Hart men without hats Oh men without hats is the one guy without hats is French Canadian. They're a cabacoa Is it Corey Hertz? Yeah Yeah, don't don't search for any who else I Mean, there are a lot of bands listed in this article. I'm looking at with French names, which makes sense For like people that you know like the king's an Avril Lavigne also I Will I will say that I I've spent a few days in Montreal and I had an absolute blast And I've known a few people from there that I very much liked but if there's one group of people that I would feel comfortable coming out as prejudiced against it is a Quebecoise mostly because when you grow up in South, Florida they Invade like a foreign army during the the winter months and they can be a little rude Actually a thing that I know Must hasten to add here that when Justin says that it is in full awareness that the Quebecois are a minority in Canada And he doesn't mean it the way many of you may have thought he meant it I'll tell you what take it how you want You know, I worked as a waiter for years down there I'm trying to save you The thing we call a tip Skinflints To say that All right, that's fine. Look, I'm not here for you. I don't know what happens when you go back home All I know is what happens when you're on vacation You don't fit in that bathing suit Pierre. That's all I'm saying I Not people from Quebec, it's Pierre who's wearing a bad. It looks I know I Just knew when you get cut off in traffic and you just knew for a fact It was gonna be that that that white with blue trim license plate. Just staring you right in the face Great the eyeballs. I mean, that's a Very long distance to travel with a car. Well because they say for months. Oh They say for like three months. They say for the maximum allowable before you have to leave. So, yeah, I'm And look, I'm playing this up for for laughs here. Uh, my my Graham my grandparents had Neighbors that were there for part of the year that were extremely nice. They were very very cool Um, but man everybody else the snowbirds the the the the kibok was snowbirds, man Isn't that just all tourists and you just happen to be overindexed, I mean But I'm not I'm prejudiced about one one group You know, I it's funny I was just talking to a friend last night about like I'm from wine country You know, I would say that as like a starting point where they you know, they might say like where exactly or like oh, yeah wine country got it But you know, obviously like big tourist destination But there's nobody that I can think of where I'd be like, hmm that that's certain group Because we're gonna do the show and maybe you'll think of a group that you can say you're Prejudiced against because who would ever be upset about you ever saying you're Very chill Topic all right, let's get going. You guys ready? Yeah three two Andrew Boudreau has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like it's your Boudreau I come a DTNs member at patreon.com slash DTNF This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday April 4th 2019 in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from the goose laden shores of Lake Merritt. I'm Justin Robert Young and I'm the show's producer who likes everyone He really Nice for you Roger. What's that like goose laden shores? It's so poetic. I feel like you're the Edgar Allen Poe of Lake Merritt We are going to talk about Digital literacy is specifically a buzzfeed article about how it applies to those over the age of 65 But let's start with a few tech things you should know Snapchat introduced snap game a platform for users to play real-time multiplayer game supported by six second Unstoppable ads snap also launched an AR platform called scan with partnerships with photo math and Giffy and app stories Will let developers insert snapchat stories into their own apps with Tinder and house party two of the first to do So snapchat also unveiled a new slate of ten original series kind of a trend I wonder if that'll work after a review of international projects and partnerships the Massachusetts Institute of Technology has decided against quote accepting new engagements or renewing existing ones with Huawei or ZTE Due to federal investigations regarding violations of sanctions of restrictions MIT said it will revisit its collaborations with Huawei and ZTE over time What's that for business customers launched on iOS after previously being only available on Android according to Facebook which owns What's that what's that business has been adopted by millions of businesses worldwide since its debut the Australian Parliament passed the sharing of Abhorrent violent material law on Thursday, which creates new offenses for content service providers and hosting services That failed to notify the Australian federal police about or fail to swiftly remove videos Depicting things like terrorist acts murders attempted murders. You get the idea And nine to five Google reports Google has sent music artists an email letting them know it's going to shut down Google Play Artist hub April 30th Artists will now need to publish their songs with a YouTube partner if they want to get into Google's music service YouTube music is taking over for Google Play music. So CD baby tune core those kind of places Will allow you to publish your music into the ecosystem And it's a signpost along the transition the long transition of Emerging Google Play music into YouTube music. All right, let's talk a little bit more about space internet. Justin space Amazon made three sets of filings with the International Telecommunications Union last month by the Federal Communications Commission on behalf of Kuiper Systems LLC, which is based in Washington DC Amazon's project Kuiper plans to provide low latency broadband internet access using 3236 satellites in low-earth orbit Amazon confirmed to Geekwire that Kuiper is one of its projects saying it will target 556 degrees north to 56 degrees south latitude which will cover 95% of the Earth's population SpaceX soft bank backed one web Telesat and Facebook and Boeing backed Leo sat are also attempting to do the same thing Yeah, so I mean not much to say here other than okay cool We got we got another company into the pool and to note that Jeff Bezos the CEO of Amazon Also running a company that launches things in the space called Blue Origin They actually Geekwire asked him about this and and they said We will evaluate evaluate Blue Origin as a carrier for our satellites just like everybody else Yeah, I think we are at the point now where you have to just wonder okay Well, who's gonna be the first to set up a Signup page and say you can start using our internet right now. Yeah And for you San Francisco Giants baseball fans no word on a project Kruco Wow Yeah, it's funny when I hear stories like this I'm like, okay. Well, I mean if anyone could do it it's probably Amazon But then there's also SpaceX and you know, there we talk about competitor stories doing things like this all the time I feel like we're still in that mode where it's like, okay Here's another company who's gonna bring internet to a lot of the world's population that doesn't really have good access right now And it's a little bit more of a 3000 satellites rather than a this is how it's affecting people in the real world Amazon announced six new skills for Amazon voice services from healthcare companies such as Cigna and Boston Children's Hospital and they are HIPAA compliance The skills can help schedule appointments check recent blood sugar readings check prescription delivery status and deliver updates from caregivers as well Developers who want to make their own healthcare skills must apply to an invite only program to participate The one question that I could not find an answer to I'm not saying it doesn't exist is how these are protected from being Accessed by anyone else in your house Because the Amazon Echo very famously responds to anyone saying it's trigger word And that means I mean I guess the idea as well if you're in your house You know potentially you you would either mute these things or turn them off If there's someone in your house that you didn't want to access them But I feel like it needs a little more protection than that Yeah, but what they're doing is not you know Necessarily revealing if you're checking on the shipment of your pills or something like that that that isn't exactly revealing I mean, I guess it can be and then there's a reason why these you know Information right? Yeah, people get real protective about it. Sure. I guess there is a larger question of exactly how HIPAA did certify these Like up there are systems in the Echo like the pin when you order something from Amazon You know, so I'm not saying they don't exist. I just couldn't find anything about that But you're still saying it I guess yet. I mean, it would be something I didn't say out loud There's no way that you can interact with the Echo of Securely while there are other people around Because if you're just yelling your password out, but then again, I guess then you don't care whether or not they Because they can hear the answer I do think it's it's fair to point out that Amazon is is you know This is something where they're trying to differentiate themselves from the other smart speakers out there by saying look look at what we have in Healthcare, which is for you know for people who don't want to have to go digging into an app to find out Some some simple information like this is pretty convenient Also makes sense considering they are moving more in a healthcare direction that they want more and more ways that you can interact with your You know your your your healthy life via Amazon products and services Microsoft is making changes and how it will roll out its May update to Windows 10 currently Code named 19 h1 rolls off the tongue It's the 1903 update if you're if you're looking at the the insider preview number In order to avoid problems it had with its October update Here are some of the things that are changing first a release preview will come out next week with a month scheduled for testing Hopefully will be able to find more bugs that way Also, the choice between monthly updates out twice yearly feature updates will be made clearer And you will be able to choose whether you want monthly updates or twice yearly updates And if you choose monthly updates, you can say just security Don't give me the feature updates at least for 18 months So if you're like, you know what I don't trust that that feature in the new And the new spring update is going to work yet hold off on that But give me my monthly security updates you can choose to do that users will also be able to delay Monthly updates for a week for up to five weeks if they're like, you know what I want the monthly feature update But give me two weeks. Give me three weeks on that you'll get to choose that Microsoft will also adjust active hours That's the time it determines it won't push an update which you set right now It's going to use some machine intelligence to be able to guess based on your usage when the best bet is to push an update out And a new dashboard is going to make it easier to see what else you need to update in order to keep compatibility things like drivers Etc Microsoft will use machine learning also to help identify important bug reports The bug that was deleting data in the October update had been reported. It just wasn't properly elevated So they're going to use some machine intelligence to help look for that and they're not just going to look in their insider program They're going to take data from Twitter and reddit to try to determine when people are saying things are happening whether it's worth looking at or not I mean you explaining this right now makes perfect sense But how is Microsoft going to make sure that it you know the average user is like, okay I understand my nine hundred options for updates That's a fair point because these are for the people who are already complaining that they don't have this option Yeah user is just going to say yeah Give me my updates when I'm not working and the active hours is going to automatically do it when they're not working and that's that right Yeah, you are like I don't want you pushing this update on me. Give me control. Well now you have some I mean But that's what Windows does Sarah. They give you 9,000 options. That's the point They are they are a random tone exaggerate. It's nine hundred options nine hundred billion options and counting From the Windows operating system and they should this is It's if you care about these sorts of things. This is great You know when you when you kind of see it read out. You're like It's talk about confusing folks, but again, you know to Tom's point This is this these are options for people who want them For everybody else. It's sort of like yeah, just like don't restart my computer when I'm doing something Yeah, when I'm in the middle of something. Yeah, like, you know doing my online banking Yeah, you know, I think that that is one aspect of this the other aspect being The the big problem with the October update was not only that there was a bug that was deleting your data Which is awful, but that people had noticed it before This was released and they didn't find you know, there's so many bug reports It didn't get surfaced properly so taking some extra steps to make sure that important bugs are noticed and surfaced properly Which I know it's easy in hindsight to go. It was a bad bug Why didn't you surface it but anybody who's managed a bug queue knows it's weird It's a trick to figure out which of the bugs are actually the priority ones You need to you need to work on because everybody thinks their bug is a P1 Well, here is a bug that we've thankfully been able to rectify the harm from the internet archive published a catalog of a 490,000 MySpace songs from between 2008 and 2010 originally thought to be lost After a server migration error the save track were apparently collected by an anonymous academic group That was studying music networks during MySpace's popularity The group contacted the internet archive with the files the music can be played through an online interface Designed to look like MySpace's original music player, you know, it's funny about this is 490,000 songs you're like wow, okay, but that it was what five million overall that were lost So it's it's a very small sample of the total songs that still have not been recovered But very interesting that an anonymous academic group was like hey internet archive We can help we can help here 50 million tracks 50 million but Everybody don't frown because it's gone smile because it happened which would be a quote I'd see a lot on MySpace pages and something we should remember that any of this music was recovered because it could have all been lost You know, this is I'm gonna bang this drum once okay, and I promise not to bang it again this episode If we had loose or copyright laws, this wouldn't have happened This academic team has to be anonymous because they're worried about the copyright implications of having saved this music and The reason that the internet archive didn't just go ahead and save it Is there were risks to copying MySpace music because the music copyright was the riskiest thing to meddle with and we've lost Music now you could say I must not be that important if we lost it. Okay fine, but a a more Reasonable copyright law would have helped prevent this I Really want to know more about the anonymous academic group and there are many terabytes of data that they collected during during during MySpace is you know, heyday because it was obviously probably something that That had more to do with just like who's uploading music onto MySpace They were they were wanting to look into sharing and how yeah red and and and legitimate academic investigations But they've always been worried about you know, you know, we're studying music networks on MySpace is what they what they say in the Verge article But they're always worried about getting slammed for doing it Don't get slammed Get Speaking of Tesla Tom weird weird you almost read my mind Tesla delivered 63,000 cars last quarter which is down 31% from the previous quarter Recodes at Renimola points out that while Tesla sells a lot fewer cars than say Toyota or Ford Tesla's Model 3 was the best-selling luxury car last year according to current driver the Model 3 sold 138,000 cars number 2 was the Lexus RX at 112,000 models But Tesla likes to talk about the Model 3 as a mass-market car and Elon Musk has also predicted demand for 500,000 Model 3's in 2019 500,000 would make it one of the best-selling cars period forget luxury you can argue that there are better Luxury appointments in a Lexus RX than in a Model 3 and Tesla really wants to build a Model 3 as an everyman car Which I find hilarious when it costs $35,000 and up to $60,000 depending on how you equip it So I think it's fair to look at this as a luxury car I don't think Tesla has made a an every person car yet. Well Yeah, this is them trying to do what Apple has done very successfully which is saying This is certainly a higher cost, but it's a bargain when you look at what you get Sure, this is this is for the real coupon clippers because You're gonna own this car forever and it's going to cost you less in the long run And there's a lot of other bonus things to it that will just make your life easier You're saving money spending this $60,000, you know Joe six pack And we had we were kicking around the idea of like is Tesla the every person vehicle company before the show and I mean I say no, it's it's first of all the whole idea of the electric car is still we're still getting to the point where you could Take a real road trip that it that lasts more than 300 miles and be able to do that without charging it You know and also being able to charge your car and the fact that it is expensive there I mean, this is not an economy vehicle even the Model 3. You sure I mean, you know, it's it's it's Tesla is is working towards making it more accessible for for most people, but it's still very much out of Reach for most people who are looking not all electric vehicles are this expensive. I mean electric vehicles My point yeah, that's it. That's yeah. Yeah, I mean, this is you know, it's it's they're very cool cars I'm honest and I plan but but but this is not like a Economy budget And really it's like their supply chain hasn't even allowed for the fact that they you know Could could sell at the at the level that they want to they hope that they are able to continue to ramp that up Running a car company is really hard and and I think it is to Tesla's credit that they understood exploiting the upper end of car buyers First and then slowly making your way down was the way to do it because unless you are already in the game It's very very hard. There's a reason why we hadn't had a new American car company in decades Until Tesla came along because it's a perilous perilous Field to get into we barely have any new car companies at all Yeah, we're where we have them are in emerging markets You know the places like China and now India are starting to see newer car companies But that's because they there's room in those markets to move in on the low price You don't you don't see new car companies in Europe even you It's a really good point and yeah, I think you know bottom line I know that Tesla has to talk about the Model 3 is being accessible to get people interested in it But a lot of people criticize Tesla for not selling at levels that I don't think they're meant to sell it. No Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines com all right Buzzfeed has a story out called old online and fed on lies How an aging population will reshape the internet? We're gonna try not to critique the article itself or its headline it opens There are people trying to bridge the digital divide particularly with retirees People over the age of 65 definitely do need a little more help Get it getting into digital stuff if they aren't already there There are plenty of people over the age of 65 who know how to use stuff But there are some people over the age of 65 probably more often than in the you know Teens and 20s age group that might need somebody like hey show me how this works And there are groups trying to do that and I think that's a good thing There's nothing wrong with that some of the points from the article though are trying to paint a picture of the growth of the 65 plus age group which will soon be the US largest age group as problematic because of a lack of digital literacy for instance Multiple studies are cited arguing that older people are not as good at spotting accurate news and more likely to spread fake news Research published in science advances in January peer-reviewed article found that users over the age of 65 on Facebook shared nearly Seven times as many articles from fake news domains as the youngest age group Now we'll go on with a couple of other things here, and I want to circle back to that in a second Loneliness can affect your cognitive function and older people are often just by circumstance more lonely Physical and mental health can be affected by that it can result in a decline in the ability to self-regulate Which could cause people to gravitate towards like-minded views because they want to feel included Again, not all people over the age of 65 But it is more prevalent in that age group older people are generally more likely to be victims of fraud as Our critical abilities decline with age the older you get the less critical abilities you have that's just a fact of getting older and We all try to correct for that in various ways so in some as always as we all age We have a harder time keeping up with new things and the internet it appears is not an exception Also people who are new to the internet have a harder time getting used to it than people who've had it for a while or for all their life I think that one's age independent whether you're over the age of 65 or not So is there actually a new problem here? I'm not saying there shouldn't be groups going out and saying hey folks over The age of 65 let's help you get up to speed on how this internet stuff works if you don't know already which some of you do and Is there a risk to this Justin? I are are the people who are over the age of 65 who tend to vote in larger numbers being swayed by all this fake news No All right. Are they being swayed by the fake news? Maybe they certainly share it at a disproportionately larger number But I don't know if that should be a shocking thing considering Facebook is a platform designed to maximize your time On that platform retirees have a lot of time and there are many so see Societal things that contribute to that. There certainly is a case to be made that that loneliness that sets in and some of our elder Elders is something that we should think about and look at and possibly correct for and this might be a panacea For for that but I do not believe in any way and I'm going to refrain From singling this article out specifically because I made a promise to Tom, but I will say the general idea that elders are in some way Polluting or ruining the internet because they are sharing things that make it worse is Wrong and I would say offensive to many folks who just enjoy having something to do Well, oh, yeah, I mean, I think there's a couple things when you think of The aging population Okay, if you're retired and you've got more time on your hands than somebody who has to work I don't know a minimum of eight hours a day on other things Yeah, you might end up spending more time on a social network And that actually factors into how that social network might want to act because You're actually on the social network more than other folks also You know, and I you know, I think of my own mom is as an example of this But like somebody who never had to use the internet as part of her job As a younger person, you know, you're retired. You've got some time in your hands You might use a social network like purely in a social aspect the way that Justin and Roger and Tom and I don't because we've never really known it other As anything other than like a tool, which is also social and I think that that's an important distinction Yeah, I also think that part of it is there is a different way that folks who You know, they were fairly late in life when social networks came along think about social networks We think about it far more as a busy bustling town square where I think many folks who are on there They see a meme and it might be mean and it might be pointed It might be politically charged, but they look at it like they would a bumper sticker Except they don't actually have to drive around with it So they share it and some friends talk about it and and other friends don't and maybe they get the goat of you know The their their niece who is you know getting a liberal arts degree and they can go to sleep like I just think it's harmless It is harmless. I had a great interview with Professor Joseph Izinski from the University of Miami He's written a book called American conspiracy theories all about political conspiracy theories and how they have propagated throughout the years He did an empirical study of looking at letters to the editor from the Chicago Tribune and the New York Times over a hundred years span and Compared it to where we are now and also compared it to data of what people believe or at least in terms of surveys Conspiracy theories have gotten shorter in their lifespans since the internet as much as we like to figure out We like to look at things and like oh well look a bunch of people believe something because this guy said it or this part This thing has gone viral on Facebook fake news is ruining the world by the numbers the shelf life on a conspiracy theory is diminishing because we have a World a galaxy of fact-checkers to knock things down faster than we did before so I I just I think that there is a criticism to say well Maybe the platform time spent on platform at all costs mentality that we've had with social networks does on some level target Older Americans and we should think about that, but blaming them. Oh Yeah, I there's two things I would take out of this article that I think are worthwhile one is what I said before that People who are new to the internet no matter what their age have a harder time getting used to it and understanding how it works There may be a percentage wise Larger number of people in the 65 plus age group that are new to the internet just because it wasn't around for most of their life But I don't think there's really a problem With 65 plus and that is a problem with this article that Justin rightly points out But whether you're 65 plus or 65 negative You if you are unfamiliar with the internet there that is something we need to do We need to help people improve their digital literacy and understand How the internet works how to avoid scams how to understand when someone is saying something where it reaches when what you say Where it goes and how to protect yourself online that is important for all age groups also It is absolutely true that as we get older We are all getting worse at the critical thinking and when you're in your 20s You tend to discount that because you're really good at it But it's been proven over Decades that you're more likely to fall for a scam the older you are and that's not new on the internet Maybe it's a little more accelerated. Maybe it's not It's not a new problem. Most of these problems that are 65 plus aren't new problems. It's just the internet puts them in a new Way of looking at them, which is not new itself when there was television and newspapers That was that brought new problems every new technology brings new problems So I'm not trying to deny that there are problems But the fact that there are problems isn't new it's not like oh everything was fine for everybody 65 plus until that internet came along and made them all believe a bunch of lies I just I don't buy that at all and I think it's an unproductive way of looking at things. I Will say shout out to the AARP who in this article they do begin and end the article talking about a program that Shows elder Americans how to use iPads and communicate with their family. I think that's a great great great program So if you know somebody that would be that would be appropriate for then that's great that it great that it exists Speaking of great programs We have a sub reddit and thanks to everybody who participates in at you can submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show dot reddit Dot com we're also on Facebook. You want to hang out on Facebook? Well, we've got a group Facebook comm slash groups slash daily tech news show Let's check out the mailbag. Let's do it. This one comes from Brandon Brandon. We're going in the other direction Brandon has a daughter. He's she's about to turn 10 Brandon says it's got me and my wife talking about smart devices for her My wife is hesitant to give her a smart phone as by the time we lock it down It would be a little better than a feature phone plus being a kid She could lose it. We were thinking about a smart watch with cellular connectivity so she could reach us Should she need to I was wondering what the other parents are doing or thoughts about kids and smartphones in general Roger you've got two kids and I know you're still trying to figure this out yourself It's it's tough because it's one of those things that is ubiquitous in life Like you just can't even go out in public and not see someone even a young person use a smartphone or tablet And we've tried to lock down the devices that we give them as much as possible But you know occasionally we'll give them our phone to play with YouTube kids As you know, I'm hoping that in the next in the 10 year or the next seven years There will be a device that will be more age-appropriate So instead of taking a device that was designed for adults and then just kind of taking and stripping away the features to make it more dumb Down have something that's more Kind of in tune with You know an adolescent lifestyle, so maybe like a smart bracelet or something But as for phones, I would give them I would give her my oldest daughter a phone What if she could use it solely for communication, but just with me But like very very a very limited set, which I don't think would be a bad thing She'd probably be laughed at at school, but I could live with it So folks if you have other answers or opinions or thoughts on that Yeah, send them our way parents feedback at daily tech news show calm Yeah, and thanks Brandon for for writing in this question and starting the conversation Also, thanks to Justin Robert Young for being with us today. Mr. Politics. What's new in your world? Got a great interview up This week with as I mentioned doctor or start professor Joseph Ezynski of the University of Miami I thought it was a great He was fantastic breaking down not only where conspiracy theories come from popular ones ones that Existed in the past why they propagate and how we can think about them as critically as we can I would can encourage you to go download that conspiracy theories are for losers an interview with professor Joseph Ezynski On the politics politics politics feed. Yeah, I like how he starts off Differentiating conspiracies which are real from conspiracy theories, which may or may not be real Yeah, folks our goal each month is to get one more patron than last month And you could be the person that puts us over the top if you're not already there And if you're already there share the news about becoming a DTNS member. It's Thursday. That means Roger's got a column out Saturday, I'm gonna have an editor's desk out. There's all kinds of cool stuff You get in your RSS feed from patreon including the fact that it doesn't have any ads All of that and more available go check it out at patreon.com slash DTNS If you've got feedback our email address is feedback at daily tech news show comm It's a great way to keep in touch with us We're also live Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 2030 UTC find out more a daily tech news show comm slash live Back tomorrow to talk about blockchain and cryptocurrency with Laura shin. Maybe Len Peralta. We'll talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants.com Great show, what should we come? Not late for dinner. Oh snap Okay, what do we got here? My stop may roll out its update differently in my day news wasn't fake hashtag do eat a feet stroom You knew bio cow aimed that one of me, you know that yeah, oh god, yeah Tesla the apple of cars older dogs learn new online tricks in Space nobody can hear you ping I'll get slammed get a Tesla Beaming from the same to you too, Jerry. Oh, I like this one. Oh the Amazon echo trigger word did dad take his meds Alex I like that they call it Alex Alex the headline I'm sorry. I can't help you with that I do like Fred pointing out one of the the the the the tropes of this show demographic goes here is not a monolith That's pretty good. We're gonna bring you details and context friends so you can live a better life Improving digital literacy is actually a nice Descripted I don't know what do y'all like anything Um Even though we mentioned it not at all in the show Why I do wanted to name it our IP inbox Because it's you're really sad about the inbox. Yeah, we mentioned that in our Google Plus. Goodbye. It didn't I literally held on until the wheels fell off this morning and it just would not let me load my app and Now kicks all in box traffic to Gmail What was Literally there wasn't necessarily any kind of features that I used I just you know My faith and it broke my heart Google again again with these You know reader part of my life go reader. I so miss reader. I don't Oh, I was really upset when they got rid of it and Feedly has been great and I don't miss reader a bit. I Miss it No ties to old software robot. You're a robot. I Have no feelings Emotions are for the week approving digital literacy Yeah, yeah, let's do it give it a go Would be a cool a follow-up if you that wasn't available. Oh, I see what you're after Yeah, do you? Yeah, I'm bangs his drum but once I Will bang my drum but once I will only bang my Okay done Tom bangs his drum but once Doesn't say about once it's just Justin Justin, yeah, do you want to say what you really felt? Oh About the BuzzFeed article. Yeah, so there's a thing that happens in trend Pieces and trend journalism where if you don't have Actual proof that what you are talking about exists You can just kind of Frankenstein a bunch of stuff together and just sort of leave it hanging and that's effectively what this does It's not lazy in the case that they didn't go out and talk to enough people like a lazy trend piece will normally be like Side pony tails are all the rage amongst women and and then they interview three people with side pony tails and they act like it's like Yeah, you have no idea whether or not It's it's anything beyond the writer's friends, right? This is just I Feel like it wants to go in a lot of places and instead of taking a more sober look it Decided to go and if I'm going to really read between the lines. I think that it's a It's a It reads to me like an editor got it and said yeah, but what about the fake news thing and then stapled on Go talk to a political Person to talk about the damaging elements of fake news on on an election and it's like I Just I I don't think that the evidence lies there. I don't think that we have seen The the case of it nor do I necessarily think that the conclusions that are drawn Which is like oh, we'll look at how You know a very hyperpartisan group like turning point which posts memes all day long about You know disparaging liberals and liberal causes and and you know making You know extolling the virtues of conservative ones that is theoretically there for kids for like college age conservatives It's kind of like a bratty young Republican kind of kind of thing is Disproportionately shared by boomers boomers love turning point more than the 18 year olds do But really what's the harm like what are we really? Losing by your your grandpa or your uncle or your grandma or your your aunt posting about you know a dumb photo shop about Alexandria, Casio Cortez next to a farting cow like there's well It's it's it's all about and this this is what bugs me about this story myself. It's all about emotions Yeah, make me angry when I see them. Yes I really do think that undermines a lot of the culture of outrage We have is we just didn't used to see the stuff that made us mad very often It weren't exposed to as many different viewpoints and so we're going through a period where everyone's looking around and going Oh my gosh, everyone around me isn't is is insane because they're saying all these things when it's not everyone It's just way more people. It's a representation bias It's way more people than you're used to seeing so very therefore you assume there's more of them where that came from And and so this this article makes a lot of assumptions about what's wrong and then tries to find examples of them Yes, and and to me the biggest thing is Why is you know, why are we demonizing these elders when? It's the platform that like if it boils down to this all the old people are gonna get on these networks And they're going to twist the algorithm. So all we see are whatever the crazy things that they're being targeted with right and It is so backwards to me that we would have that conversation and blame The elders and not the algorithm. Well, and that's the thing right is sometimes when I start down this road I get people who will say to me. Oh, so there's no problem at all, huh? You know, you're just being blind. I'm like, no, I'm not trying to say there isn't a problem Obviously, we are living in different times. Yeah, things are happening that we would not have expected to happen in multiple ways but Just starting to throw stones at point fingers won't help us understand why And also, I don't believe that there's Much of a difference in like I don't think the people are being radicalized that you know, like all of a sudden my my You know that the older folks in my life are going to have radically different political views They they're probably gonna have political views that naturally list one way or another and probably would have without Facebook But now they just got memes that they can share and there is an effect That the media has on voting Otherwise you wouldn't see candidates appearing in the media and buying commercials, etc Etc. And so the rise of technology and social networks definitely is changing how that works and I Always like to point out that depending on where you sit Facebook was horrible in the 2016 or the 2012 election because People taking advantage of the way it worked. We're able to gain an advantage in the election. Yeah And it happened in both elections so it's it's not necessarily that there's a Problem It's that we have a new tool and we need to understand how it affects things so that we can try to correct for any abuses of it Yeah Anyway, he just did it's one of them articles that I got I got stuck in my corral and I wasn't a fan of it And I I wanted to stick up for stick up for the old folks Because you know what a lot of them are in our audience and are real good with technology. Oh, yeah, oh, I mean That's how all the friends Canadian ones are sure gonna be a good emailing me Hit my hat replies Right no a group on a hate email. I'll tell you what Man, yeah, oh The the one thing I thought I would end up talking about that because of the nature of the article I didn't was Disabusing people of the idea that because you're old you can't handle technology. I mean we sort of tangentially touched on it But it it's not that that people can't do it at all No, my my grandfather Literally up until the day that he died was a computer enthusiast and granted he well, you know, he worked as Barry gyroscope In his in his younger days, he was more technologically inclined But he was the first person to introduce me to to technology. He you know owned an Apple to GS And that's how I learned how to type initially and You know, I remember He was on like instant messenger like As I was as like a young kid Like that was one of the creepiest things that ever happened was after he passed I was on it's the messenger one day and I guess somebody had turned on his computer And then his username logged in and I was like Yeah, the default set tech said so-and-so just logged in exactly. Yeah So I've always understood in my life at least by my own anecdotal experiences that Some people are into tech and some people aren't it doesn't matter what age you are now tech has become more prevalent in our world It is easier now to do than it ever has been and that's where I think you're getting a lot of people that might not have done it if the cost barrier was higher or the Learning curve were more steep, but that's just the world we live in and I think you know I think the way that we say that well, you're just from an older generation things were different than it's exactly the same the technology being part of something that somebody grew up with is Reality for many younger people, but it's also just like, you know an older person may be being like Whatever that slang is going on. I don't really get it Explain that to me. It's we've been doing this for centuries and it takes you longer to learn things the older you get It's just true. And so at some point you're gonna say like, you know what just do it for me It's just gonna take forever. I do that now. Yeah Older you get it's funny Justin when you mentioned your great uncle I think it was or your uncle my grandma my dad's mom was on Instant messenger and she would she'd log on and you know Fairly regularly, but she called it going on to the internet and to her that was it Yes, the internet was is Sarah online I can talk to her in real time like that was what the internet was to her She didn't care about anything else and it was kind of funny to me, but I was like, you're not really wrong This is just what you care about you know as a 85 year old woman and I think there is an important Point to be made that is not age-related, which is why I didn't touch on it in the show today about accessibility Yes, as as technology is getting more prevalent. We're putting more and more services online Which means those people who don't have access to technology And I don't just mean accessibility as in you know visual impairment or or deafness or anything like that Although that's part of it. I just mean like somebody who's like, yeah, I can't afford even a really good smartphone With an internet connection like that still happens and so you need to take a take that into account When rolling out services more and more, I mean, we think it's great like hey, I could pay my water bill online That's awesome. I love that But but there is always going to be Hopefully a shrinking number of people who can't take advantage of that and you don't want those services to not Be available for those people Just because they're not yet in the position that they can take advantage of them Yeah Well, we've now solved all the world's problems video all the world Thank you for watching audio folks stick around because there's more to come because maybe we didn't solve quite