 And we're alive Welcome back to my channel Today, we're gonna be talking about negative reviews. Are they important? If so, why are they important? What makes a good one and who better to join me than the contradictory and himself Klaus if you'd like to introduce yourself Yeah, my name's Klaus my channel is the contradictory and I am the creator of the Cosmere and the inventor of book And I talk about books and I'm the only person on the internet who agrees with liana on a lot of books The only person on the internet Yeah, other than you yourself. So I let my cat stay out for this, but as you may be able to hear she's Playing with the loudest choice that she has so apologies for that noise She likes my voice She's drowning it out with her little bell so I don't know about that but um, okay, so yeah Klaus does often agree with me about some of our most our hottest takes our most unpopular opinions, but There are I think other people that agree with us, but not everybody Speaks up not everybody actually posts and I get every review and so Oh, thank you, Arisa Um, but I mean I've certainly had this Uh Told to me and I would assume that you've heard some Variety of this as well that like if you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything at all And why why did you have to post negative review? You don't have to like the book But why do you have to talk about it? Why are you attacking this book attacking this author? Etc etc So why do we post negative reviews? pure clickbait because No, because I think um The thing is what what does make the thing good and if there is nothing bad Then everything is just good and that's boring. So I think I mean, I am also passionate about stuff. I like so why would I not be vocal and passionate about stuff? I dislike and the thing is You want me to review a thing or you just want me to tell you that I like the thing That's the difference about it And I mean it's just our opinion that we don't like that sort of stuff It happens and I don't think anybody likes everything in the world Not just books, but everything so I don't think I mean people aren't very reasonable about about art because Experiencing art is very Wow another german person. I thought I was the only german on the internet um So people are very passionate about the experience of art because some people Don't get that the experience of art is very subjective and they think that their opinion is the only correct opinion and I mean Mine objectively is the correct opinion, but other people think they aren't like me. So yeah, that's the problem But so I mean to someone who says, okay, you cannot like it That's fine that you don't like it But then why go out of your way to post this whole separate video to like Rent about it or to complain about it or to attack it Good question. Um, yeah You can't say that again because you already made that joke Yeah, I mean Um because it's my opinion and I feel like My good opinions aren't worth anything if I only post good opinions because you have to see the other side as well because that is just what reviewing and critiquing the piece of art is If everything is just good then the good things aren't special anymore And so you have to talk about the bad stuff the subjectively bad stuff as well and I think I mean I am I always get passionate about stuff. I dislike I am a very hateful person apparently so That's why I make these videos Okay, well, I'll I'll give you some of my checks I'm not just grilling you since I I obviously agree That negative reviews are important and I do them myself and I get in trouble all the time But um, I mean as you say What does a good review mean if you don't have any negative reviews? Um, just I mean both for an individual work, you know, it's good to see both sides of like the What the perspectives are on one individual piece of art one individual book But also just if you're trying to get to know this person's taste because if you're following A book review or be the be at a blogger or on goodreads or on youtube or wherever Um, in addition to looking for people whose personality you vibe with and you just you know find them to be amusing or engaging people You also want to get a sense for what is their taste in books? And so if they say that this is good and if they say that this is bad What does that mean and how does that compare to what you look for in a book because I mean It's not just book reviewers plenty of human beings who don't review books pick up books and hate them And I think most people would like to avoid spending money and time on books that they don't like So when they're trying to find a book reviewer that they can trust I mean, it's not like you should ever It's very rare you're going to find a book uh reviewer that is 100% going to be they like everything you like and hate everything you hate But someone that you can kind of get a good sense that if they really really hate something Probably you will also really hate it because you tend to agree on what things irritates you or what things Um, you just happen to dislike in a book So if you don't talk about that if you only say the nice things then people can't also then know What's to avoid? Yeah People can't get you know your taste if you don't really talk about the negative sides of your taste It's the same with food if you just talk about the food you like and you go to a restaurant Nobody's going to believe you that you like everything that is on the card or on the menu so you have to also talk about the stuff that you dislike and that's just human behavior that we do not agree on everything and uh So I think it's important to talk about that um, so Again, so I I've just like brought this up as like, you know, you wouldn't want to spend time and money on a book You don't like so, you know, it's it's helpful to have a negative review But then I've also been told which I suspect you've probably heard something similar that you're hurting this other sales That by posting a negative review Why are you attacking their sales because now people won't buy it because you said that it's bad What do you say to those people? I totally disagree because there is I have worked in marketing before and there is no bad There is no bad attention if you talk about a book in a negative way You still talk about the book you talk about the book and you might even make some people interested in the book because It depends if you make a review You just say it is complete trash nothing in this book is Worth while and it is just terrible But usually you always have one or two things which you can mention that you like or you can at least say if you like That book you might like this book even if I don't like it personally so Actually people might watch around and still want to read the book because it just sounds like it might apply to their taste and that's that so and I don't think I am I mean, I'm talking about the piece of art not about the author himself usually so Uh, I mean if there's some problematic stuff going on with the author that you feel like readers should know because it might Make people not want to pick up the book Then you should mention that but you basically you're talking about the piece of art not about the author so it is It's just a book reviewers do that is why you have reviewers because If there is an absence of the bad stuff Then is there's only good stuff and then you don't really know if that is good or that is good because it's all the same And that is just not What reviews are intended to be I think Well, also, I mean this brings up a good point and I think this is true for me as a consumer That there are some times that I A negative review and I'm like those are actually all the things that I look for in a book That sounds great versus a positive review. I mean by the same token. I've seen positive reviews and they're like I love this this and this about it. I'm like that sounds like my worst nightmare So, I mean a negative review. I guess this gets into like part three of the questions, you know, like Are negative reviews important? Why are they important and then what's a good one? So in my opinion a good one. I mean it does explain the reasons I mean if you're just going to sit there and and it's just hyperbole And you're just like throwing it in the trash and saying it's garbage But not actually explaining any of your reasons behind why you don't vibe with it And what what your taste on why this doesn't meet those tastes um A good review will tell you I mean as I think somebody else also said in the comments that a negative review often Does actually give you just more information because when you say a book is good You're not likely to have that many individual things to pick up or to to mention and say This was good or this was good. You're just going to be like, oh, the whole thing was fantastic Whereas a negative review will sort of Mention more things and get more into the details of what a book did or didn't do and you'll get often A better sense of what this book actually is about from a negative review Uh, and then you might come away from it going actually that sounds great Or you might come away going oh dodged a bullet there But you'll have more information often from a negative review Yeah, I totally agree Usually if I film a gushing review and a rant the rant is always longer because I mentioned a lot more stuff It's just I don't know why it is that way, but it is always that way because I've usually tried to focus on five different parts of the book So world building dialogue that sort of stuff Five things and then I try to talk about all of these but if I read a good book I'm basically just saying all the time repeating myself This is good in this book and here's maybe there's one or two quotes Why this is good? And that's what the author does really good But if I'm Reviewing it negatively then I always have some things that I'm talking about in the plot or in the world building that don't make any sense to me and I just I just I just think My brain is programmed in a way that I Look for mistakes instead of looking for good things and that is why I'm More focused on that sort of stuff because I just don't forget stuff that I dislike if there is in terms of pros if there is like A word that I feel doesn't belong there And that happens again and again if there's one word that's repeated over and over Yeah, that is indeed same as if you just say it's bad then that's not a good review as well because you have to give your reasons for that Worst thing I think is just giving a rating and not a review And like I'm an author myself. So if I get a rating a one star rating Hypothetically because of course, I never have received one but hypothetically you get a one star rating I think that's worse than having a one star review that really tells you what the problem is because then you can try to improve on that And the rating without a review is is not dissimilar from when people hit dislike on a youtube video and you're like But what did you dislike? Is it my face? Is it what I said? Is it the fact that I hated your favorite? Like I have no idea. What may it's always your face and I'll never know I mean in my case, it's always my face, but for other people Funny thing is it still youtube doesn't distinguish between downloads and uploads on comments and sort of stuff. So By downloading these people still uh make your content more popular. So I often I mean This is a bit of a tangent But you know when I've gotten in hot water and a bunch of people who don't usually watch me watch me because I'm You know Eviscerating their favorite their darling and a bunch of people flock to that video and they all Downvote it. I'm like, are you coming from reddit because I hate to break it to youtube doesn't work like reddit All of your downloads are engagement. You're not actually like pushing this down in the algorithm youtube is going Oh, people are like reacting. Yeah boosted. So I'm like, all right. You want to keep watching and hitting dislike You're just boosting the video. So well done You know I think hillary talked about that yesterday or two days ago. She had a video about that sort of stuff. Um, yeah Totally agree kiss Whatever But yeah, I mean uh going back to like, you know picking up on details when you're negatively reviewing something I mean, I think this is Perhaps more true for the two of us and that's why we do post more negative reviews But or are not more than positive but more negative reviews than a lot of other people do Yeah, um But like I'm not the kind of person that annotates books or tabs books or takes notes while reading books or anything I don't underline things. I don't highlight things or anything The only times that I and the very rare times when I've actually done something like that is if it's like a really bad book And I really want to make sure to mention all of these things that it got wrong And if it's a good book I just I don't want to stop The experience to like take a note like unless there's a very specific reason like, you know school That I would need to do that because I know I'm going to write a paper on it But it's really only the worst of the worst that get me going. I must note this down And I have this and and then my negative review will be so much more in-depth because I tabbed everything Because I hated it now because I loved it Yes, I have I have these things here, but I usually don't use them unless something terrible happens like The last time I used a lot of these was reading vella. I think um Because there was just like I started the book and I couldn't get into it because there was something that Went on my nerves on every single page and then I started using these things because I couldn't immerse anyways So but if I like a book, I usually don't use them at all. I might write down one or two quotes But I'm not writing my reviews down anymore. Like I used to and I'm just Talking about them. So I don't really need those quotes anymore and I feel like a lot of people I mean everybody can do it like they like they like you want to but I'm just not using them anymore because usually I can remember the stuff that happens in a book and if I just like that then It goes on my nose so very much that it makes me hate the book and then I don't forget it because I want to talk about it. Yeah, well, I mean so orders are just said they people seldom say it's bad But they often say it's good and I mean again getting at the how much more detail do you get when you hate something? And I think it's often easier for people to articulate why they hate something and how much more difficult Articulate why you like something so often I mean really really good positive reviews have the same rubric as a negative review Like you should both reviews have the same standard. You should be explaining your reasons for this You should be explaining like it should come across to the reader Or to the potential reader or to the buyer or whatever What this thing is and why you did or did not like it so they can get a sense for what it is that you were looking for And did or didn't get out of this book so they can decide that's true for either one But I do think it's much more difficult often For a positive review for someone to really pick apart Why they liked it usually you'll just be like well the whole thing was just fantastic And it just yeah, I would change nothing about it So I have nothing to say because there's nothing I could zero in on and say this right here Now that needs to change like the whole thing perfect. So like yeah, I have no idea now What that book is about but if it's a negative review you'll often be like this thing really irritated me And you know why because it just like messes with like if you look at all of the content that's generated by Uh movies or bad shows and like this final season of game of thrones the last star wars movie Um the harry potter movie like there's so like the videos are like five hours long because people Have so many points to pick apart versus like really popular movies that did really well There are videos on it, but they're like 10 minutes because they're like it was excellent It did everything it should it was perfect all the awards Yeah, um I have two thoughts on that The first is a bit I think of psychology because I think We feel the need to express why we don't like something because we are sort of in a way We are apologizing for the liking stuff because lots we know lots of people like justifying it. Yeah Yeah, usually they are popular books So you feel like the need to explain your reasons for not liking them That is uh the one thing I thought that I have on that topic and the other is It is you notice when something doesn't work You always know it doesn't work it doesn't work at a point and you know why it doesn't work for you usually But if something works perfectly Then you don't even think about what makes it work perfectly because you're just going along and you're just reading the book Reading the book reading the book because it works and why would you stop and think about why it is good? so That is I think why longer reviews or negative reviews are longer usually because You just talk about that much you notice it more. It's just like When when a building is breaking down and collapsing, you know why the building is collapsing, but if the building is They're standing there and not collapsing then who cares why it is not collapsing. It's just fine I mean I would I would agree but I would slightly change I don't think at least for me I don't necessarily always know exactly why I hate something like right away But it is a thing where I am immediately wanting to know why if that makes sense Like if I like something I'm just like well I love this but if I hate something and if it's a book in particular that I Had every reason to think that this would be my favorite thing ever because it's the type of thing I like or it's an author that I've previously liked or some whatever it is where I was like This is going to be my jam And then it's not and then I'm sitting there going but why Why is it not it's it should be so what is it doing wrong because I it's not even I'm not even thinking about a future review I'm going to do. I mean that's helpful for that later certainly, but for me and myself I'm like I thought I was good here. I thought I'd picked a book that I would like and why did I mess up like Where did I fail in picking a book that I would like? Why does is it that I not I don't actually like these kind of books? And I thought I did what is what is going wrong here for me? And if I'm able to pick up on Or zero in on what it is that is just not working for me Then I know for myself for later that you know I've discovered for myself that this thing that this author is doing that actually a lot of authors do I just I really don't like that thing and now I know that about myself And now I can tell you that this book does that thing So if you also don't like that thing then now you know But I'll just I'll be a lot more in my own head about it if I hate it because I'm like but why but why but why I don't know to know about why for liking something. I'm just like well, that was great Also, I am a very fast reader and so I don't make many pauses in between reading a book And that means I don't really flex right there. Yeah That's all I who I am The thing is if you don't make any I just don't think about I don't make any predictions about the plot in the book itself because I'm reading I'm reading reading reading and I don't even have time to make predictions unlike But sometimes I read a book more slowly and then I think about it And then usually my positive reviews about those books are longer because I have been thinking about the book for longer but if I'm just Blitzing through the book in like two days Then I don't even think about why it's good at all And that is why I don't talk a lot about it and afterwards and that's that's good because it means It is so good that I didn't even have to think about it Well, I think often I think A bad book it's it's almost like a lower bar for me to have a whole lot to say about it A good book it has to be like truly excellent for me to be like I really want to talk about this and I have so much to say about it being excellent a good book That's just like good. I'm like, well, that was good I mean, I don't have any complaints. It's not like an all-time fave But I don't really have anything to say it about it because like it was it did set out to do and I didn't hate it. So it's fine. And that's all I have to say about it versus A bad book it only has to really be Irritating in like one aspect for me to be like, let me talk about this for an hour because I was so Annoyed every time that it happened and a good book. It's a much higher bar It has to truly be something that I'm like, this is an all-time fave for me to be like Let me tell you all the reasons why yeah I don't think I've ever filmed a four star review because Yeah, three and four. I'm like, it was good Yeah, I mean I have filmed some three star rants because those were very popular books or people I recommended it to me And I was expecting more of it and that is why I'm mostly it's just me talking about my disappointment that it didn't make Meet my expectations because I was expecting it to be better Well, it still means I like the book because three stars is I liked it, but I just feel like Yeah I kind of this isn't like a policy for me that I like never review away from this But I tend to review books either if it's a one star or a five star But then if I have reviewed something that's more in the middle that's in like the two-ish, you know a little less Little more but around two three four like something in the middle It's usually videos that I title I don't get it because it's not a situation where like I loathed it and I didn't love it I was just like this is so popular everyone loves this and I'm like I don't why though now So then and then I have that to talk about because it's not even that I have that much to say about the book I just have more to say about like Please explain. I don't understand why people are obsessed with this because nothing here is obsession worthy to me What is this? Giddy up the knife is such a bookie. Oh, oh, there he is So, um wait, but there was something uh That someone said in the comments that I was like, oh, we need to talk about that Well, I'll think of it, but um Oh About trusting negative reviews So, I mean that is a part of it as well And I I by no means want to say that anyone the post-depositive review is lying because that simply isn't true But there is kind of that You know people who get arcs people who want to you know, especially self-pub is The huge issue on Goodreads as well because there are lots of authors on Goodreads self-pub authors who just write reviews for each other and that is why they have a good overall rating But if you look at the one star reviews, there's always people expressing that as a favor to you It's always honest So You should keep that in mind And there's also it's not even I mean part of it Yeah, is you know authors reviewing authors or the hype train or being afraid of appearing negative and not being part of the Hype or whatever there's a lot of reasons why someone might boost a book that they that they like I don't think people are lying But reasons why you'd be like well five stars. I mean like can I trust that? Um And there's also that I mean and I'm guilty of this as well when it comes to books that you genuinely feel deserve five stars I'm sorry. Kaz is missing with my camera and I don't know why so it looks like I'm on a boat Oh come here kitty. Why must you be over there? Okay. Anyway, um when People love a book. It's really hard to be objective about it It's really hard to actually review it and explain anything about it. And so if you give it five stars Then if this is a reviewer that you trust meaning they tend to have a lot of The similar opinions to you then you'd be like, well, they really really loved it. So odds are I will at least like it but I know that if I love something if someone's talking about its flaws. I'm like, uh, I guess that's true I don't know. I love it. So like I just I don't have it in me You know, it's like talking about, you know, your own child. You're like, they're perfect Okay. Oh, they're not they're kind of dumb sometimes, but they're perfect because they're mine And so like your absolute favorite books if it's a five star review Like the enthusiasm for it. Oh my goodness Kat can we not oh my god Let go My my own child who is perfect. She's absolutely perfect except that she's absolutely not Can we not Can we not Anyway, um, yeah, so it's it's hard to be objective about things that you for some reason love and connect with Yeah, because it's always about your individual experience of the book. It's very subjective and It's it's hard to understand that that subjective experience that you have because everybody nobody ever reads the same book It's it's the same book in terms of text but all of our own experiences and All of our bias comes into it when we are reading it and our experience is so unique And people if you like something very much, you just want everybody to like it and that's just it's just normal I mean, I freak out when I read one story of my favorites as well But I'm not being as vocal about it as other people on the internet So you don't tell them they've chosen death I mean I do but I usually I only tell my friends and they know that I'm not serious or not entirely serious about that Um, yeah, and I mean I absolutely think That you can do a good review for a book that you love I'm not saying that you can't but it's it is more difficult to actually like pick Break something down and pick something apart when you love it And so that's why I feel like Again when people have said that they trust negative reviews more they always want to check the negative reviews I mean exactly like I may end up being on the gush train for something I may be one of those people after I read it But I feel like I get a better sense of what a book is if I've seen some positive reviews So like it's getting buzz it's worth my attention because people do seem to be liking this But then I also do want to check A three star and a one star to see okay, but like there are probably flaws So what are those flaws and are they the types of flaws that would bother me? Um, and if you you only had five and four star reviews if no one was brave enough to say hey X Y and Z were terrible then you would go into every book blind Yeah, totally Because there's always five star reviews every book has five star reviews kissing the corona virus has five star reviews the thing is You need to see the whole range of opinions and you cannot just focus on your five star reviews because Then you will just Never find out what your own taste is you just stumble into the next book and realize I don't like that But why didn't I like it? And if you look at other people who disliked it then you might see some patterns and some reasons why it doesn't work for you And I always check one star reviews Unless it's a book from one of my favorite authors because I'm going to buy that anyways So, but other than that I always check three star one star reviews because There is always something No book is completely perfect. I would say so there's always something that is can be criticized. Yeah Um, and I mean like to yeah, I mean in a perfect world a detailed review is what you want positive or negative But I mean, I think what we're kind of getting at is that human nature Tends towards being more detailed when you hate something like there's just if you people You know people who come home from work and had a good day They're like, yeah a good day And then you just go about your day But if you had a bad day at work, you're going to talk about it the whole rest of the night and talk about What they said and then I really wanted to say but I couldn't and I just ah can't like they'll go on and on and on But so like negative reviews, they just they're gonna be longer They're gonna be more detailed because people feel the need to like lance that boy And just get it all out versus a positive review You're like you're excited and you might be detailed about it as detailed as you can be but you just won't Have this urge to just like keep spilling what you love about it Um, or at least if you do It just turns into just you repeating yourself and saying it's good. What else can I say? It's fantastic What else can I say you should read it? It's great. It's my favorite. It's fantastic And I want to keep saying that but that's all I have to say versus a negative review That's like and this and you know what and this too Yeah Yeah, when you're positive you just it's great because it's great and and it's great And that's all you're saying the same as with I'm playing soccer and if you lose a match Everybody talks about it for the entire week and if you win a wedge nobody talks about it afterwards You're just like oh that was good We won and that's the game and if you lose again, then you're always criticizing it Criticizes the coach you're criticizing the people who buy to buy new players you're criticizing The referee all that sort of stuff. You're always talking about that stuff If something works, you don't talk about that a lot or not as much as if something doesn't work Which I mean, yeah consistent in their opinions But again, if they never express negative opinions, then you don't even know what is consistent You know what I mean? Yeah, they you have to have a balanced idea of what this person thinks of books You have to know okay. This is what they like and I tend to agree with that I tend to also like that But it might be that they hate a whole bunch of stuff that you actually also like Or it might be that they hate a bunch of stuff that you also hate. I mean, it's it's really good to know that Yeah, it's very helpful indeed because Yeah, that was Alan's comment So I have a lot of opinions that agree with Alan But I also have some stuff where I disagree and I by now I know Which books that he likes I won't like because he talks about it. He gives us reasons for that for liking it Yeah, so that's very Alan also does post negative reviews. He doesn't shy away. He does So I don't think he does agree with anything that we're saying because he has a feud with Brian McClellan I mean, okay, and so when it comes to negative reviews it It's kind of crazy to me that it's really only Well, this is mostly my experience. I don't really review anything else But in my experience and what I've observed of people in society negative reviews of books are Treated with more hostility than negative reviews of other forms of media because I feel like it is so personal And it feels like people interpret it as an attack on an author and on an individual person versus if you negatively review A restaurant or you negatively review a blockbuster film I mean, that's not to say that there aren't angry fans that are, you know, fandom culture is fandom culture I'm absolutely not going to say there aren't like crazy star wars fans or whatever there there are but I think people conflate negative review of a book with negative review of an author And it feels like this person did this thing and you're attacking them Which it just I mean there are again a bad negative review May do that and that's not a good negative review if you are just bashing an author and saying they must be really stupid Because they wrote this. I mean, there's not called for you didn't like this book The only thing you know about them is what they this book says. So that's all you really can review So when people do personal attacks, which is rare Um, then that's not called for but when people conflate those and say I think this book is dumb How do you call the author dumb? I mean, I didn't I said the book is dumb I think it's because books Feel more personal than for example movies because a movie Dozens of people work on that movie Because yeah, you have the cameraman. You have the actors. You have the director Producer all that's all those people wear the book. I mean, yes, there are editors who work on that book and that sort of stuff But really it is a very personal thing to publish your own story because that is something that is purely your own thing and Yeah Some authors as personally Yeah So that's I mean some fans do as well. So I have once uh given one such one of jacquistoff's books And after that a jacquistoff fan gave one such every single one of my book because I gave one such a jacquistoff's book, which That's amazing Yeah I mean, I've brought that up before I mean most of my negative reviews have been for adult fantasy And so I get obviously Attacked but it's a very much more adult kind of attack YA is very Yeah, and so my negative review for aurora rising has a lot of comments saying he worked really hard on this and how I'm like, he is Fine. He is very popular. My negative review has changed nothing for him. He doesn't care about this. I promise you Yeah, the younger the target audience of the book is the more of these comments you will get because I have made that Error gone video. So the inheritance cycle and I have never received more down votes and more negative comments on a video Which but I mean, aren't they probably like sad comments? Not like I'm gonna kill you comments. They're more like, how could you? It's a mixture of both like Nobody has threatened to kill me so far because People know I own the store so they don't dare do that. But yeah People get angry and I mean I have If I have once made that video where I just where I read one star reviews and I mean I get I think I've threatened people with murdering them in that video as well, but I'm yeah I just didn't do it to the face Well, that's good of you. But yeah, I mean there are people that are very sweet and I know that When it comes to I mean, I also don't ever Okay, I just found a bell again I never want to suggest that people are in some way being disingenuous or inherently dishonest or or bad book reviewers If they feel really uncomfortable being negative, you know, like there's some people who'll just like They are the type of person that feels Not not that they would accuse us of attacking an author by saying a negative review But they feel kind of like they're attacking someone and they're just that's there's not something they feel comfortable doing And that's fine. But I mean it's it's you know by That same token. It's also fine that we do feel comfortable doing it, you know, it's not right or wrong like if you don't Feel good doing it and it makes you feel bad Then then don't post a negative review. But I mean negative reviews Are still a very important thing to have generally speaking in the reviewing space Yeah, I'm feeling way too comfortable making them We shouldn't when then there's also people who only do negative reviews and they yeah, and that is just ridiculous Yeah So, I mean that's again on when we were talking about bad negative reviews There's bad negative reviews that attack an author There's bad negative reviews that don't really say anything about why it's bad. But it's just it's bad It's trash and you're like that was entirely unhelpful I don't know what was that about it But there's also yeah, and then we who do post negative reviews I'm sure you've been accused of this as well that you only you read it on purpose to hate it You knew you would hate it and you're doing it for clickbait, which again I mean, there are people that do that and so they lend Credibility to that accusation because there are people that seek out whatever is the worst book Uh, and then purposely hate read it and then post it for content And I mean that's I mean, you know make your money do whatever you got to do like You know hate the That's just like the game of Of the algorithm etc. So like I understand why they do it but If we're looking for reviewers who have I mean integrity is such a loaded word. So I don't want to say integrity But you know like who who you can trust who are being sincere who are being sincere in This is what I like and this is what I don't like and they're not it's not content. It is a sincere reflection of their taste and their experience with books Um, it's important to have the both positive and the negative Yeah, you need that sort of stuff and uh, the only book I've ever read where I knew I was going to hate it was Akita Yeah, that is And there wasn't atrociously offensive video ellen. So you shouldn't be surprised Well, I mean this is also, I mean if anyone has a good video of ellens. He was very Obviously, um, yeah, he's he said like I have never read that and I Don't want to hear this was to show and still people were like It's so disrespectful what you're doing here. And so helpful. It was the author and I was like I'm sure liba dugo Will be fine. I was like if liba dugo saw it, she would probably laugh Yeah um, I mean like it's uh Yeah, the the style of that video is more in keeping with like a lot of more like movie commentary type videos You know like pitch meetings or like in purposely incorrectly guessing the parts of things or you know, it's it's all in good fun You're not actually you didn't obviously ironic. So yeah, like this is written for kids and therefore it sucks like no I didn't get a ton of negative comments on my akita blog because I was very It was very obvious that I was not Going to like this book right from the start and so Yeah, if you are transparent about that, then I think people are fine, but teenagers our teenagers Yeah, that's because name of the wind isn't objectively good book. So yeah Now there are people who dislike it. Um, evie has dnf did for example Yeah, and uh, I think both el and um El yeah, el doesn't like it. Um, hate it, but she's not a fan. Yeah, she says it's operated. Um And I think that's similar to how gen feels from um, oh my god, her channel name Maybe leo filth She also expressed a dissenting opinion about name of the wind and got attacked. So It happens to everybody Yeah, not not for me I mean claus likewise. Thank you for Being a hero with me. Yeah, but I mean that's uh That's the thing though, like I I got comments and I I don't know if you have as well I wouldn't be surprised telling you that you're brave For posting a negative review. Yeah all the time didn't require This should be fine. You know like this is I don't think people tell like Movie reviewers that you're brave for saying that this movie was terrible. You know what I mean? Like it's such a strange. Yeah, it's really strange Because that's what I meant about like how negative reviews of books are interpreted differently You know what? I mean like where it's there are there is fandom culture and people do attack you for disliking popular things But just like this notion that you're brave for speaking up and hating a book is is bizarre People are just more passionate about because it feels more personal and more intimate to read a book than watching a movie Because it feels like, you know, it's like between you and the author. It's self-subjective. Yeah Yeah, exactly and that is why people get so Anxious about it and touchy-feely and feel like Yeah, Alan, I don't believe you Has a patron who thinks that and uh, who actually has that opinion, which is fine Oh We're disliking I shouldn't say hating. Um I'm shocked. Yeah, it will do and is Yeah, down my review of dune. Although spoilers. I've posted or I've filmed a new review of dune Uh, because I've decided to get attacked again. We'll see how it goes this time. Yeah um That's I mean, yeah, that's perhaps true Marvel movies suck anyways all of them Die hard fans. Yeah. Yeah, the larger fandom is the more passionate people are but the thing is if you look at for example The harry potter fandom, I think nobody is if you criticize harry potter Nobody is seriously going to attack you because everybody gets it Kind of a tangent, but they reminded me of harry potter When we were talking about how film isn't so personal and isn't like one person's creation And I mean I was watching some uh, well specifically it was the cosmonaut Uh picture show cosmonaut variety or whatever his actual channel is called and he was talking He was going to be talking about the harry potter movies and this was you know after jk rolling, you know became You know the real life villain that she is and I mean He sort of did his elephant in the room speech and I was like that's actually a really really good point that the harry potter films Yes, they are inspired by or based on these books by jk rolling And if you don't want to support jk rolling, you know, whatever that's your choice But these films weren't just her like there were so many people that worked on this and they why should they be punished For her opinions if that makes sense So it's like there's so much work that went into maybe actors the costumes the direction the music everything They so much creative talent went into making those films to where they're really not her project They are more so everyone else's project So To to stop supporting the films just because of her Like because she's more important than all of those hundreds and hundreds thousands of people that worked on those films Is kind of unfair Yeah, I was like, yeah, that's a really good point. I was like the books are you know, even though there are other people I mean, certainly there's editors and what's and cover artists, but like it is more Really just her thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's more than right much. It's it takes the village to do that. So yeah, yeah Yeah, Ellen Why are you such a troll see me and claus were much more reasonable you just troll I bet he's gonna freak out if he if he really dislikes but itself again That'll be the first time in my life And then you'll find out section and I start making death threats because you didn't like Abercrombie The thing is I think he's gonna give it three stars Then he's gonna find out that we both gave it three stars as well on our first read. So Well, um, and yeah, uh So as to being brave for posting negative reviews, um, and that there are there is hate thrown at reviews for Negative reviews for popular films, but there's going to be more There are going to be more and so with booktube as you say, it's a smaller community So it is you are kind of like standing out because there aren't necessarily book reviews for every book on the internet That's been published. So the fact that you might be the only one That's saying something negative. So you are kind of like standing up and taking all of the hate versus There's a lot of negative videos about marvel a lot of negative videos about star trek about star wars So like they can spread to the hate out and be like Not feel alone as it is kind of isolating when you're like, um, everyone likes book, but like I hated it um Just no and and I mean I have had some that's why I feel again negative reviews are important because I had so many comments on negative reviews for popular books where people were like I thought I was the only one that finally I was I thought I was the only person who dislikes this all the time all the time Yeah, so if you want to give one such a way of kings, just do it We're the we're giving a voice to the voiceless. We're truly. Oh, yeah, totally. We're doing the lots um Yeah, I mean and I again I try very much when I talk about Abercrombie Oh, especially in the beginning when I first posted a review just gushing about Abercrombie Which was the entire purpose of that video to be like, but please don't read it based on me recommending it because like this specifically I am not objective at all Or not even just objective, but I mean like I think this is perfect For me. I don't think it's perfect. Like there are some books that I like a little less But that I would say I could imagine pretty much anybody picking this up and thinking it was pretty good. Um, and The Abercrombie books I'm like if you are very similar to me I cannot imagine you disliking these books, but a lot of people are nothing like me So like this may not be your cup of tea at all, which is fine. Um versus again like more widespread appeal more Less out there books that I'm like But yeah, I think anyone probably like it It's not one of the good thing about Abercrombie is that is if even if you dislike the characters and the world I think everybody can respect the technical writing and the prose I think they are less Because people will they don't like the story. They don't like both like the writing. Yeah, they still like the writing Or even if they don't like because I know l doesn't really like that style of writing She doesn't like how purple the prose are, but I mean it's hard to say That he doesn't have it's bad. Yeah, it's just like it's not your taste, but it's hard to say that it's bad yeah whereas if you have written standards and then people might not read it for Because you don't have a lot of negative opinions We were afraid that you would just chat me over guards guards possible And also alan I would love to talk to you about the books that we exchanged, but you until we do that I really can't sign you up for anything else Um Who think toll the hounds isn't to talk to your mouth and book you created a safe space Okay, alan, we'll do part two and it'll be with you. Is that does that work? But after we talk about our tbr swap Okay You know, I didn't love how it's moving gasl not enough to read about it I didn't hate it. It was like three stars I was like, which is why I didn't post a review about it because I was like It's fine. Yeah, who cares about three star review. Yeah Yeah, I mean and this is the kind of thing where If your comments section someone will in order to like express positivity like they liked your video They'll say that they'll say oh, thank you. You saved me time. You saved me money But then the fan will see that comment and say don't listen to them You're taking money from the author. Don't let them persuade you not to read it Don't like you're you're driving them away and like they should pick up and and don't listen They're lying and I'm like, okay. I mean this person clearly can judge for themselves if I seem like a kind of person they would agree with so I usually always comment on that and say like Yeah, check out the book for yourself This is just my opinion, but I mean I've just told you my reasons for 20 minutes I've talked about why I dislike dreams of the dying. You don't have to tell me No, it's he's wrong. It's it's a it's a great book. So, yeah And I mean I've also seen comments that I mean it comments that are in the third person always make me laugh But in particular like on negative reviews when they're not replying to anyone It's not like they're having a conversation with someone else They've just posted their own separate comment that says she doesn't know what she's talking about don't listen Yeah, and I'm like, who are you talking to? Who are you talking to? Yeah, seriously Like it feels like they've like they think they've stepped into a room where I'm explaining why it's bad and they've just been like Don't listen to her I'm like, okay. People who are watching this video will judge for themselves. I'm not going to find your comment and be like Oh, I shouldn't listen to her. Oh interesting perspective. I mean people will listen to you and think Yeah, she sounds like someone I would agree with or they'll be like I don't think she knows what she's talking about like they won't change their mind based on this comment saying Oh, I should listen to her. Oh, I was listening to her just because I don't have a brain, but I shouldn't listen to her I mean, we should read them smarter. You're right Yeah, yeah, definitely I don't think Have we wet? Oh, yeah, malice. I think malice is the only book that we've both hated that ellen has read so far Yeah all the others Like kings of the wild that sort of stuff he hasn't read that yet He will read the unbroken with uh shelf space in january also so I would be surprised if the unbroker is the unbroken or unbroken the unbroken The unbroken, yeah, um, I would be surprised I don't know that ellen would hate it, but I'd be surprised if he loved it two stars I think like maximum. I think it would be three No, I can see him saying the military side of things. It's okay. No the military side of things was what really I didn't think it was very good, but like, I don't know. There's I guess I didn't hate it like I really that book was the whole thing was me just being like, I don't care Yeah, I just didn't care at all about anything anything in the book. It was just pointless and here again, I mean like that's uh I appreciated that you don't purposely pick up a book for content because you know, you're gonna hate it and then you can rant about it Um, where again, like I've uh, I don't know if this is happening to you Um, but like I'll post a rant review for it What is a first book in a series with fantasy most books are first books in a series And then people will when the next book comes out like, oh, are you gonna review? Are you gonna rant about that one too? And I'm like, absolutely not Why would I pick up a book that I hated the first one in the series for? I Wanted to like what I read People wanted me to continue with faithful and the fallen and well That's what they got for that Yep careful what you wish for Yeah Um, someone sent me raff by the way Are you gonna read it? I knew it was gonna. No, I don't think I'm gonna read it It's just no I might read the ending so that I know what happens, but Now That's likely Um There's a lot of hate for house moving castle in the comics. Have you read house moving castle? No, it's on my top 100 list, but I haven't read it and I haven't seen the movie. There's this uh What's it called the house moving castle? Yeah, the style of that movie Oh, I mean, it's a studio ghibli movie. Yeah, ghibli. Yeah I just don't have any interest in that I mean I might read it one day, but Yeah And I know that I by now I know the sort of stuff that alan doesn't care about that I care about like Plot conveniences and here comes the cavalry. I know that if that is in a book and I hate that I know alan will select a book, but I will not but there are a lot of things that bother alan that don't bother us What does bother alan romance women, you know, he hates denna he hates uh Lots of people at denna though That's true That's true Um, but I mean his his reasons for hating ember and the ashes are entirely to do with the romance Yeah alan hates it when people are happy and in love But yeah, um, so what what some of that bothers me class Oh Yeah, false I mean, I think that's about ember the ashes. No, I would imagine Is that you don't Want to kind of wait for his six of gross Review, yeah, I mean this brings up a good point. I think negative reviews tend to be more spoilery Yeah, yeah yeah Because often the things you dislike is is a is a lot of the plot and some decisions that the author has made and He can't really talk about that completely spoiler free. So, you know We're again, like as this person said like it's a book you love You're like, oh, I don't want to spoil any part of it. Just read it. Just read it. Yeah He's gonna say oh the plot is so good and the world building is so intriguing and the characters are so original Yeah, cool read it two minute review um And yeah, I mean that's it's It's again, it's it's much more difficult to articulate Because you can do a non-spoiler Excuse me negative review and still Get more detail, you know what I mean or like I'll say this author is really good at characters Okay, but like what does that mean? Like well, they're just good at it. They're just like really good at it And it's it's really it's a great strong suit of theirs. Okay. But what does that mean? But a negative review You can talk about how well they make really nonsensical decisions There are multiple times where they go back on a thing that they've said There are so many times when like it was an entirely illogical thing for them to do It didn't fit with what we knew about them If for the it has a love triangle You know, like there's so many more specific things you can say without spoiling the plot Then about if it's positive. You're just like, well, it's good. They did a good job. Yeah They didn't do the bad things that this other one did It did make sense. They didn't backtrack like That's true Yeah I mean, it's like I've often been guilty of that when I do a negative review I'll be like, I guess it's kind of spoilery, but you shouldn't read it anyway. So who cares? So here's the spoiler The thing is um, I haven't read a ton of fantasy for years and so now I'm basically just reading my backlist and so Not a lot of people What would even care if they really a spoiler because most people have read those books already like stuff like kings of the wild I think they would were 2017 when it was published or something. So The amount of people who haven't read it yet and want to watch that non-spoiler rant is That small But I mean, this is a good point too. I always feel Have you read strange the dreamer? Not yet But since you haven't asked me that I think maybe last time since the last time I asked you You might have read it. I haven't read it since the last time But um, that's one where I mean you can tell me if this is true. Do you know what strange the dreamer is about? I'm guessing not really No Right because like the entire plot like Pretty much like it's like a bit. It's not that far into it Where you get kind of like the big thing that you don't know and then the whole rest of the book is about that So it's one of those books We were like I cannot tell you what it is about because the whole thing comes after a major spoiler so No one knows what strange the dreamer is about until they read it Yeah Seems like a worse choice So I can't wait for you to read it and then maybe you'll hate it and then I can hate you the way island hates me That's gonna be my my tigana revenge Uh-oh Yeah, we just want my tigana But I mean I am correct and you're wrong. It's fine Just because we're on your channel Exactly my house my rules That's a cast But yeah, I know they're talking about something specific but like again personal preferences and bias like again a good negative review will make clear Um, I mean people would jump down your throat about this But I think it's fair to say these things that there are things about a book that more fall into a category of a objective flaw i.e The plot doesn't the plot holes like that's a more objective thing and maybe plot doesn't bother you But the fact of a plot hole existing Cannot really be I mean I guess it depends on if it's like a really gray area, but like that kind of thing where you're like It's illogical this does not make sense or again if the grammar is bad or Things like that where it falls more into a category of maybe you don't care about this But this is an objective flaw in this book Versus things where you're like, I don't really like purply prose. So like if it's gets really flowery I'm just not gonna like it. Maybe you love it for and again, like if there's a lot of romance in it And you're like I don't really like a lot of romance if you do then this is the one for you So being clear about things like that as opposed to just saying like oh, it was a terrible book And the the plot was stupid and it didn't nothing happened and what they mean by nothing happened was there was a lot of romance So like that's you know, that's disingenuous. That's unclear. That's not helpful Yeah That's how I've known Alan. I know I have a new title. I'm the one with all the bad takes I have a whole category So you gain a lot of subscribers through negative reviews as well Yeah, so it's usually so that You lose a couple like for me It's so that I lose a couple people on the day I published that review because people are pissed off And then other people see that video that aren't subscribed yet and they come over So I don't really you lose lots of subs because I mean and that's where again You know, if you have a different strategy for your channel, that's that's entirely your private strategy You're assuming I have a strategy Well, I mean, I don't even mean specifically you but just like people have different strategies for their channel So again, like if you pick purposely pick up negative or bad books to hate read them for content I mean, you do you that works for you whatever if you have fun doing that people like if people watch it, whatever But I mean for me personally, I never want to think that expressing my honest opinion is going to Like lose me subscribers if that makes sense And I mean the fact is it does but there are also people that I wouldn't really want to be subscribers Like I only want people subscribed to me who Either they don't always have to agree with me But they have to be okay with me being honest and if me being honest puts you off then I Please do unsubscribe like I don't care about losing subscribers. I will like wouldn't who would care if you just It's disagree with them. You know what I mean? Yeah What's wrong with chagana maybe klaus can explain what's wrong with chagana Yeah So I think chagana is perfect, but liana has her reasons and I can understand those reasons because you know Those are mature adults they are It's a lot of personal bias that she has that get into that And a lot of my bias makes me like the book and hers makes her dislike it and I think that's fine Also, I'm not I'm not terribly passionate about chagana because I've only read it once and during readathon Which was just a fever dream. So Yeah I might get more angry in the future after my review Uh-oh because I watch my review then you want to read it Or maybe maybe you'd throw it in the bin anyways, so you maybe you shouldn't read I want to say this is one of those times where a fan of guy gabriel k is like see He would have bought the book and now you're driving away sales because Convince them not to read it I think ggk will be fine Because I started a ggk read along in response to your tiana hating so he will profit from it finally In the end But don't take my word for it Yeah Yeah, I mean or lumiere try the gray stuff. It's delicious. Don't believe me ask the dishes Yeah, okay, so I mean urza you frequently disagree with me I we me and claus agree that red season to red skies is great and you think it's terrible So it's very likely and you would like to gana Urza has still not explained why red season red sky is not perfect and I really would like to know So yeah, there is a you always an explanation for that wild hot tag Um Are there diehard guy gabriel k fans? I mean, I think there are a lot of fans I've never encountered because I didn't publicly post Other than my wrap-up. I didn't do like a separate standalone review for tigana I have no idea if it's the type of fandom that goes wild attacking people No, I mean people are passionate about it. But it's I think the way these books are written they they wouldn't even People who are very aggressive on the internet wouldn't like these books. I think I mean, that's kind of oh my goodness, baby kitty. Can we not? Um, that's kind of uh, I've said this before about job or cromby I mean, obviously I wouldn't really be exposed to the negative side of the fandom because I'm generally extremely positive about job or cromby and Personal but that being said I feel like his books are too cynical to inspire idolatry It's not the kind of book that people like get really wrapped up in Self-identity and like really identify with I mean, it's a book that makes fun of that impulse So like if you're the kind of person that we get wrapped up in that kind of thing the book is literally Like making fun of you So it's not the kind of book that I mean, I have I mean, that's the thing. So like sanderson I mean, I have been very much attacked over sanderson, but that being said why though So I gave way of king's one star But I mean people who love sanderson Who dare to express, you know, that something wasn't perfect that maybe you know, they've read the entire cosmere and this one book That was more of a three star. They didn't really love it. They get attacked over that even though they are It's it's clear for anyone to see if you look at their channel And they're reading history that they are fans of sanderson No one could disagree and they get attacked for that versus I have expressed negative or more negative opinions about job or cromby Books of his that I was like, well, this was more of a three star or like this one wasn't really my cup of tea Or I was a little disappointed with this one and never ever has anybody attacked me over that It's always been that's interesting. You know, that was actually my favorite one But it's interesting that you didn't like that. I guess I see why if you're not into x y and z then You know, that book might not be your favorite. It's always entirely reasonable Haven't I been unreasonable? No, why not I don't know that you should start. Yeah, but it's it's just like I say So if you like evercromby's books, you have to like his humor because that's a big part of those books And if you have if you share that sort of humor, then usually you are not the person who would go off on a on a crusade on the internet and post that sort of stuff, so Okay, can you imagine someone being That that way about first law. I just I don't even know what that would look like You know, I bet Joe has some some some troll accounts where it's just responding once the reviews you don't get it Why do I do they usually like uh when I see negative reviews of apricromby I mean, I'm I would like to think of the type of person that doesn't really get Wild and see red and rage when someone gives a negative review Usually if I see a negative review for something I love It's either my reaction is you're not wrong But I still think it's really great and I think that it's strengths outweigh those flaws that you're bringing up Or I just think that this person is ridiculous and I'm just something Well, they didn't get it. So whatever and I just move on with my life I'm not like you must love it yourself too, but I'm just like yeah, I don't I don't think you got it but whatever, you know I can enjoy it it depends A on the book and B on if you compare it to something else and say x is better than this so Harry Potter, for example, if you tell me I mean, there are five star reviews for the cursed child people like it Really? Every single like video that comes up about cursed child is always why it's garbage There are people who like it. So I mean, I can Theoretically I can respect that but if you tell me In that review that it is the best Harry Potter book then I objectively disagree and freak out and lose my shit It's not even a Harry Potter book. It's a play written by someone else. It's like my JK Rowling Yeah, and same is about a lot of the rings I get that some people don't get into a lot of rings, especially the first one um, but if you tell me in that in that review that Shanara is better and better written than a lot of the rings then I lose my shit once again because No, don't do that Whereas when people tell me they gave Tegana two stars, I am mostly fine with it because they did not say It's not as good as um kissing the corona virus or something Which you haven't read yet. So the only I mean, I have posted you my reacting to one star reviews. So as uh was rightly pointed out by um Overly average been recently, you know, you kind of do amp up your rage for content And I mean, it's not like I mean again, or at least for my case like it's not I'm not lying I'm not I'm just sort of like exaggerating my outrage, you know If I was just reading those reviews in my own time as I do I would read it and just kind of go like well, that's ridiculous. I wouldn't be like, that's ridiculous you know, you amp it up a bit but um The one that I mean I sincerely was like kind of outraged and I even brought it up to Joe Abercrombie in My conversation with him because I was like, this is just so absurd that like you can't be offended as an author to read it And I'm offended as a woman to read this review that they were saying how The fact that there being so many female characters in the new trilogy makes it YA now and I was just like, yeah Excuse me. You think that women's stories are inherently more childish? Like what? So that's kind of one star review that does make me rage where I'm like, what's wrong with you? You're stupid And the funny thing is that it's it's just like ferro and ardie have never been written for that person because Apparently, they weren't a woman in the first one. Well, they weren't menstruating and so So it's fine. Yeah, that was fine Um two of her books Uh, I don't know where with her I've lost I've lost the chat. I don't know where we're at. Um, Okay, this is something I know about Um, yeah Yeah, and that's I mean that's the thing he says it himself The man says it himself in his lecture in this freaking lecture that you can watch on youtube that he has chosen this style of writing He writes it so that everybody can understand and that's why he repeats stuff over and over again and people just yeah I mean again the sort of like I don't understand the impulse to write like a five-part essay in the comment section of someone's Negative review because you're not going to change their mind. Who are you doing this for? I mean, it's great that you feel that passionately about it I'm really genuinely happy for you because that's the dream is to have a book that you can just Completely adore and love every bit of and reread and reread and reread. I mean, that's how I feel about the first law And it's fantastic. I love that for me And if stormline does that for you, I love that for you But you know what has never made someone love a book is an essay telling them they're stupid for not loving it Like that's never changed anyone's mind And I always whenever I see such a long comment I think to myself like why don't you make your own channel and just set me the link to that freaking video because you have been sitting there That's the thing like especially so like for the way of kings review, which was very very long So many comments were like well you talked about this for an hour So no it's my turn and I'm like but this isn't a conversation like that's not how this works You clicked on it and you chose to watch the whole thing That's not my fault. I was very clear about what this would be. You didn't have to watch it. I don't have to listen to you now That's not how this works You could have watched it in two times speed so Well, and again, they'll those like five part essay comments will open with you're probably never gonna read this But and then I'm like, so who are you doing this for like I actually do read it because I'm like, wow What did they have to say in five parts? But I mean if you if you go into it thinking that you're just screaming into the void like I've never been that obsessed with something Actually, it's not I've been obsessed with things. I've just never There's no point, you know, like I'm not gonna change your mind by doing that Like if I saw an hour-long rant about why Uh, a little hatred is the worst book of all time. Well, I probably wouldn't watch it and if I did I would be like Extremely amused that somebody felt so differently and I wouldn't write a five part essay about like the brilliance of Abercrombie's writing because I'd be like Well, they don't see it. They don't get it and they don't they're not the type of reader that I am and they're not this It doesn't appeal and me yelling. Yeah, it's obviously pointless. It's obviously completely pointless because you've talked about it for an hour and I've made up my mind Yeah Um, well, hopefully your friend. Yeah, hopefully your friendship will survive I Haven't ever heard Chris child that I don't plan to although I mean everyone who's I feel like people who read Chris child say it's bad But I feel like most reviews of the stage production are pretty positive because like how well They, you know, make the magic come alive, you know, from just a production Stand, yeah, I've heard that the production value is awesome and they want some what a Tony awards or what are those theater awards? Yeah, so I have no interest in reading it, but I'd like to see it like I think it would be cool to see Yeah, I bet it's better than watching more fantastic beasts movies I also hope I'm not missing ferro really like Is it because you hate women? yes I don't think I've ever publicly expressed my my hate for all women before I'm public But I just want to use this opportunity to say that I appreciate that. I feel so honored that you chose my channel Yeah What about six partners? Yeah Some people I have a lot of I've had a lot of those comments on my dune review because people felt the need to express Why I haven't understood everything. I didn't get everything. Yeah, but this is one of those things where like for the longest time I was very frustrated when it came to way of kings because The thing is it is so popular and it is so well loved that I I didn't want to fight with anybody about it I sincerely wanted to know like I didn't want to an essay telling me that I'm a dumb Yeah, you just wanted to know what it was about. Yeah. Yeah, like what what is it? Why it didn't work for you? I'm not and so like finally like three years later when I did a podcast on with bethany Yeah, Angela Explained it, you know, yeah, and I was like finally a person who loves it who could like reasonably tell me look, you know This isn't maybe what you look for what you like, but this is what I'm getting out of it And I was like, oh that makes so much sense. Like I that's that doesn't change my mind But like I finally kind of get it Thank you. See like was she achieved what those all those yelling essays never did is at least allow me to understand What is being appreciated even if I would never appreciate that? Oh, because I I mean, I don't hate vulgar. I actually like vulgar a lot. I just don't root for the romance In empire of silence for anyone. Ah, I still haven't Need to do like a love interest and I think she's a fantastic character. I just don't really feel any kind of way about the romance Yeah, that's Mostly what I think about romance and books, right? Basically, I never really care for any I don't ship any ship in the ships in the romance not even in an age of badness without spoilers Maybe a bit like I I want to have happy endings for these characters And if they need another person to have that happy ending, then that's fine Well, to me it's where I mean well when it comes to someone like Abercrombie when they write characters so well where it's it's not even like A rom-com happy you want to live vicarious with them? It's more just like you appreciate how much these personalities Complement one another and how much they really do fit together and you really like it's just the symmetry of that That you're like, it just fits so well together that like it would be so satisfying to see it together As opposed to my I just love him. You're like, but why? Okay, I'm happy for you. I guess Nice So, I mean my favorite book of all time is a romance and it is my favorite book of all time because of the romance subplot in it So is it uh dorthy done it? Yeah, it's the last one in lineman chronicles checkmate. I was gonna say what romance have I read this? Yeah I will read is it grace of kings is the first one. Um game of kings. Yeah, I always say grace of kings I know what the g and I know that's a nice title as well But that's that's one of the books that I wouldn't recommend to everybody We've talked about this because it's just isn't for everyone and I mean that's just I think But honestly, my two of my all-time favorites that I also I feel like in my positive reviews I was as objective and as clear as I could be about why you wouldn't like these Or the wolf and just generally the first law where I'm like these are perfect For me for these reasons and if you're not me and if you don't love these things then you won't think it's perfect. You will not As proven I will Oh, yeah, you've started never night, right? Yeah, I've read the first one Yeah, it's very smug. That's smug is a good word for it. I don't think I've ever said a bug, but that's that's it I like the ending but I'm the autech darkness No I always use words like egotistical or you know self congratulatory, but smug like that is really like it's so Yeah, I like that. I think I've used what was it self indulgent because now Look at how clever I am It's a lot especially dark dawn is so look at how clever I am and I'm like, are you though? I don't think I'll ever Might one day continue but not Yeah, my tbs sense don't anyways, so Uh, it wasn't he wasn't he was uh sort of canceled It was more like a suspension not an expulsion He had you know, like he had to be who's on probation there for a second, but I don't think he's been cancelled No, he should be though for titling his book empire of the vampire Come on, can we not play with the wires? Can we not? Oh, she keeps bouncing the wire for my webcam, so he just Of course he does Game of kings was a ride Yeah Semi canceled empire mad is one of the few people who've read it. I haven't I mean, do you plan to read empire the vampire? nah I mean, um, who I think britney said it's like the best book she read this year, but No, I don't think I ever will So the thing he wrote himself about the book about like that synopsis thing I made me like nah I have no interest in reading this ever so Never I'm trying to get her to move with a toy, but she succeeded in taking the toy from me And this is the opposite of what I wanted here. Go play with it There you go All right, this is why I lock her away usually she's the worst um But yeah, I mean, I think it was in the patron discord where someone posted the first page of empire And I mean, I was originally thinking maybe I'm being too harsh Maybe I mean I shouldn't write off christoff entire look if this really is the best thing he's ever written Maybe it is worth reading and then I read that first page was like, no it's exactly what I thought it's worse than I thought it would be No, thank you It's it's sort of frustrating because I think he actually is a good writer But he is just he just tries to tell everybody how How perfect of a writer he is and you know, I like the ending of never night, but I hate it big parts of it I feel like um The people picking up he's written, you know enough things so far that I feel like most people have either You know have decided they've decided that they hate him or they've decided that they love him So the people are the people that love him Yeah, otherwise he won't pick it up because he has written Never night is a trilogy right and all of the uh illumin a files sort of stuff and oror rising and the lotus war trilogy Yeah, so I don't think anybody's gonna pick it up now If it hasn't worked I mean already in smart It sounds to me like umpire the vampire is him just being like, okay, this will be never night for boys Yeah, we did the girls already a never night Not for this boy. Sorry. No, if it if it's your cup of tea. I'm not gonna yuck your yum I just please do not ask me to share win that. Yeah. Thank you um This is a gather. I mean, that's a great example though We're like, I mean if you are the kind of person that really loves j criss-toff Then, you know, book reviewers who are very clear about loving j criss-toff That's helpful to know and it's also helpful to know If they're watching you and me to know that we're not big fans of that So you're not going to find a positive review for empire of the vampire here And you're going to know the reasons why because we've been very clear about what we dislike about it So even if empire of the vampire is the four fans of criss-toff the best he's done For people that don't like his style Don't expect us to like it. And so you'll hear If we pick it up, which we won't negative opinions Yes Uh Oh, yeah, because of dark dawn Yeah, well He didn't plan the trilogy. So like this is a thing where like joe apricot Oh, that's always That's a big taste thing for me because I prefer the architect writers and you know, well at the very least, I mean there's There are Kinds of book where you can pants it and it doesn't really matter. You know what I mean Whereas others were like the there's a very clear end point that you keep foreshadowing And if you haven't actually planned the end point, then how are you? How do you have the balls to foreshadow something that you haven't planned if that makes sense because like uh What's never night opens by telling you that me is going to die So like you've clearly planned an end point for this like or you haven't but you really should have Versus, you know books that just kind of like just kind of keep going on this journey And it's not, you know, it ends where it began. There's no like Nothing like that where you really need to pay off what you promised There's no puzzle box mystery box like uh, jj abrams and star wars again. You can't plant Mysteries that you don't have the answer to so like Yeah, if it's a book that doesn't really have like these mysteries that you're trying to pay off Then you can pants it you can kind of go along and do whatever but You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't plant mysteries and be like, well I can't wait to find out what I decide that means later what I've written this like That's insane Yeah, you can't do that. You should do it certainly So again, I really do appreciate that joe abracromby writes his trilogies all in one draft so that he can make sure Now he knows where it's going to end for sure and he can add in some extra foreshadowing He can add in some seeds for where that's going to go and make sure it all is a cohesive hole, which Yeah A wild idea that you planned your trilogy I know I mean, I get I get that it's hard for debut authors, obviously to plan a trilogy and write that trilogy before you get published for the first time But if you are a seasoned author You know, I don't want to talk about george. I mean, oh, I'm stupid No, I have to talk about because we're reading game of thrones Yeah, that's what summons then Maybe also, I mean, I do appreciate authors that are flexible because if you've made a plan and you are rigid And you like that's the plan and it doesn't matter if the way you've started writing it That like the characters are kind of going in a different direction and you just force them back into the plan Like that's not good writing either Like there has to be some Flexibility and fluidity and like letting the story go where it feels like it needs to and be like Oh, I was originally going to have it end like this, but that doesn't feel natural anymore I'm going to have to change that so like I appreciate authors that Have a plan But change the plan if they need to Yeah Which I think probably does it's like it's like writing a heist It's like writing a heist you have to have that original plan But no heist ever worked perfectly as you plan it and so you have to leave room for for changes There's a famous quote that's it's someone like I don't know if it's Churchill, but it's someone like Churchill Some politician Nobody has ever been like Churchill You know like that type of figure, you know, that is like a political leader type person I forget you know, um, but it was plans or useless planning is everything Because you know, nothing will actually go according to plan, but having had a plan is really important and really valuable No plan survives first contact with the enemy. Yeah Yeah Is the enemy your reader if you're a writer? No, yes He is Oh, they are. Yes, certainly That's why you have better readers Uh, Joe himself says that it feels that way and he regrets that it feels that way And that was my gig of it But again, I give it three stars if you read the whole trilogy like it's unlike with jay crestoff There is a plan he just thought it'd be clever to kind of Make it very unclear where things are going and he's like in retrospect It makes it feel directionless, but I mean by the time you get to the end you're like, oh There was a direction all along Yeah So the trilogy really is like it's like all the rings in a way. It is one huge book published in three volumes That's what oh you heard that she's killed someone knocked over her entire entire toy box and emptied it So Thanks. Thanks so much for that cast I liked the first book from the get go I mean and that's another thing That I think we've said enjoy our chromium selva said that like whether you think it's directionless or not A lot of the appeal of his books is less to do with the plot in the first place It's more to do with the characters and the humor and you just you kind of enjoy hanging out with his characters And then in the back of your mind, you're like, where is this going though? I mean, I'm really enjoying this but where is this going? So if you really like love the character work Then there's a lot to enjoy even while you're still in the like, but I don't get it Zone you're like, I I don't hate this. I'm I'm definitely enjoying this. I'm just not sure where it's going Yeah, I gave it three stars I've only read it once and I just was like there's no plot. I mean, I like the characters but still none of these characters are really like Good people I'd root for so I was like, I mean they're interesting but And then before they hang was just Perfect and then I mean if I would reread it I mean I would totally give it five stars because of all the things that he has planted in there for the last book Well, that's the thing. I mean with blade itself the first time I read it years and years ago I didn't know what grim dark was. I was only reading like happy heroic Save the day heroes hero type fantasy and blade itself just has like a very good kind Very good kind and blade itself. It just you know, it looks like a fantasy book Like there's nothing like empire the vampire is that cover you know The title is you know that it is a fantasy book But blade itself, it's you know, it doesn't really give you much like the title or the cover It doesn't you're like it's fantasy books. That's really all I can tell about this So reading it I was like If it was another situation where like the kind of people or like the the people that say they don't like name of the wind But they can't really say it's bad. It was kind of how I felt about blade itself Or I was like, I don't understand how you could enjoy this like it is well written I can't say that it's not well written. I just don't get why I would want Six to spend time In this world which is so miserable And then I years later. I've you know been reading a lot more grim dark type stuff And I everyone was like, well, he's the best and I was like, I remember not Loving it, but everyone says it's the best. So I picked it up again And I was like, okay this is actually like totally my jam And so then I gave it to like three or four stars because I was still like, but where is it going? and then The third time I read it because I that was the first time I'd read it after having finished the whole trilogy and I was like Oh, there's so many seeds planted actually like now that I know where this goes There's he there's so much foreshadowing that I had no idea So I definitely gave it like more like four stars and then the last time I read it I was like, I just love this so much the fact that I'm reading it for a fourth time that deserves five stars, doesn't it? So it's just been getting higher rate and higher ratings from every time I read it How I mean honestly by the end kind of lovages out everyone hates him to begin with but I don't He's not my favorite of the series, but he's interesting. He's interesting. He is the he's an interesting character, but he is I think my least favorite of the protagonists other than ferro as I've said, I hate all women So I dislike ferro But Logan is my favorite block size cool. Obviously so west, but yeah, I think when people talk about cool I don't think the definition has a picture of a of a crippled torturer next to it but But I think uh, it's also Joe Abercrombie has said this himself about gizelle that it's kind of funny It says more about the reader than it does about the books that on Uh on the surface in terms of what they actually do Um in the world Gizelle is the goodest person like he doesn't actually do anything offensive He doesn't actually say out loud anything that offensive. He doesn't really hurt anybody. He's just petty Yeah, and it's funny because like glockta is an actual torturer and logan is a berserker And we like them better than gizelle who's like, I mean he's got some kind of petty thoughts But he's really inoffensive honestly. He's not a he'd hardly be a villain. He's just yeah Even west is more than the first book So yeah, and it's so it is interesting like as a reader to be like, what's wrong with me Why do I like the torturer who's like pretty much like straight up a villain? And why do I hate the guy who's like, you know, he's not a nice person, but he's he's fine You know, he's not a horrible person either. He's not doing anything bad. Like why why do I hate him? Yeah, he's just like teenage jamey lannister and Although glockta is like formerly jamey lannister. Yeah formally jamey lannister into tirion Not that joe evercromby is just rewriting game of thrones No Wait, what's wrong with you? I mean, that's fine I have thought about filming a dedicated video about my Disgust and hatred for leo dan brock So I hate you didn't from the first book on title that video a lot of hatred Yes, a little hatred. That was what I had intended Okay, then you can great minds great minds think alike. Yeah, but I mean as always like it's a character that is well written That's why you hate them. Yeah, it's not like. Oh, he's not well written. He's very well written. That's why you hate him Yeah I can respect him for his uh, yeah The petty is my jam. I mean then gizelle and leo Yeah, you're very petty Yeah, I would agree with that What arty is very as just as likable as anyone else. Yeah, I mean, she's an alcoholic, but Who isn't seriously so yeah I mean, that's really I mean I I mean I happen to I think it's A lot of what arty does is Unlikable because of how much how much of a higher standard our women are held to to be likable if that makes sense Like men who can get away male characters can get away with doing really horrible things and being really narcissistic And people will be like, oh, what a cool character and if a woman does those things they're like, oh, what a bitch And so I think arty is a great example of like she actually doesn't she's not any more Unlikable than any of the other characters. She's a woman and so like oh and she doesn't really she doesn't really hurt anybody so I mean, yeah, they aren't really Yeah, and there are enough female strong female characters in the other books forever crummy starting with this So one thing standing in the way of you liking arty as much as the others is that she doesn't actually get a pov So you never actually get to hear what she's thinking But nevertheless like you you get a really good sense of where her head is that because she's pretty vocal about it Yeah, and and she's she's one of those characters which better that you don't get her pov. She's like, uh, nicole in english averse Some characters just you should I've never heard arty compared to nicole Yeah But there are some of these characters that you just don't want to know their thoughts I think abracame doesn't revel in grim or dark It's never like torture born. It's never like let's just talk about how gross this is like it's enough there to be very clear But what's going on, but it doesn't just like gratuitously linger on anything grim Yeah, it makes me sad. That's what I wanted to have from these books and I didn't give it to me Well mark laurence will give you give you that Yeah, do you like this video chat that's about negative reviews and why they're important has just become an abracame gush fest Who saw that coming on my channel? My channel rules all videos. I almost wanted to make a joke And then I was too nervous Um, when I was interviewing to abracame to be like well for once like every video I do I find a way to work abracame into what I'm talking about and for once like It's totally fine. I don't have to it's the whole thing is about that. It's a yeah Yeah, she is clever and funny. What's not to like? Um, yeah and the growth just all goes through Yeah Yeah, he's the one that goes through the most growth of any character It has the best names. He's got some good names Stranger come knocking Yeah, all of those northern names are just so cool But even the name glock to like I feel like yeah, he the name it sounds like the character that he is Yeah, it sounds edgy and like but not just that doesn't sound like a real functioning word Yeah, it's kind of like clunky and cumbersome and you can feel him like the how clunky and cumbersome his life is and how It feels I mean Glock to it just sounds kind of like his attitude if that makes sense, you know, like his vibe is just very like Glock to like it's better than calling him sand anyways because I know that's his first name, but anytime I hear him referred to a sand I'm like sand and glock together sounds fine, but just sand. That's your name Yeah, that's What is that and your sister's desert or whatever? No, maybe his sister is um meadow, you know for contrast Ah positive reviews It is now Oh, yeah video negative reviews discussion Yeah, well it was thick bait All my videos are just secretly about Yeah Very secretly Yeah Okay, but yeah, I mean that being said I would never say that you there shouldn't be negative reviews of Abercrombie I would never be angry to again unless you're saying that women in it is uh objectively bad thing In which case If you're if you I mean I've seen lots of reviews and I'm Actually, this is a This is something that I find helpful not as a reader but as a reviewer There are things, you know When you love a book and it's just everything that you like about it and you can't really imagine Someone disliking it, you know because you love it so much It is helpful to see a negative review in order to review battery yourself in order to be able to say These are not things that I picked up on these are not things that bother me But I've seen it noted that this is a thing that bothers people and so I this has never occurred to me as a problem But there's a lot of people that have this problem So and I cannot deny that this thing that they're saying is in this book. So like for example with the wolf People often I read a lot of negative reviews of the wolf Who doesn't like the wolf? Fools but a lot of negative reviews of the wolf were saying that the characters feel very emotionalists and they hate that And I in my reviews, I was like, so I think this is a strong point of the book This is why I think this really works. This is why I think it's very intentional However, if you're the type of reader that really wants highly emotionally Charged characters that talk about their feelings a lot and like that's not a bad thing if you do But if that's really something that's important to you, this book does not have that it very Consciously chooses not to have that which I think is a is a good thing But I cannot deny that that is that is going on here So it's going to bother you But I mean I would never have thought to call that out if I hadn't seen negative reviews Saying that because I'm just like all this book is great and he does everything perfectly He does everything consciously. It's all planned and it's perfect But seeing that I was like, I don't think that's a problem, but it is a thing They're not wrong. That is true. So I'll call it out in my positive review Yeah, that didn't bother me, but Because it's perfect. We agree. I don't care about feelings at all. I have I've made of my heart a stone like Certainly if I would say so, okay Do you also have the long eye? Maybe So you already knew that this chat would be about Abercrombie Yeah, and like I needed a long eye for that Come on So that's how I felt about the heroes the first time I read it and then the second time I read it. I liked it a whole lot more I read all of them just once so Um heroes is you're a fake fan. You need to read them four times. Yeah, I know Um I think it is my least favorite standalone. I mean I gave it for enough stars, but um, it was my favorite, but he's I like it better now I might it might happen to me as well Surprise, you know, I mean I gave it three stars the first time and I bumped it up to a four now When I gave the heroes three stars No Abercrombie fan attacked me No one said You know the way that like a sanderson fan saying that one sanderson book of three stars gets attacked like No one was angry with me for giving me the heroes three stars. They're just like, oh, that's interesting Nobody came with torches and pitchforks Interesting. Yeah, so which I just feel like the Abercrombie fans are just more, you know, you have to be realistic. Yeah Precisely You have to make up your heart of stone and if there's a three star review of the heroes then who cares? I just Just see character development over a longer period of time and it's just six days and that was my but it'll The whole battle is awesome Is it is Yeah, but that that's what war is it is sitting around Which is kind of the point of the book is to be realistic about how much of war isn't actually war and how And the heroes will always have my favorite Moment of hilarity i.e the invention of the sandwich the cheese trap. Yeah That is one of the few things that I tagged in a book with my Kind of full things Every time the heroes comes up. I'm always like the cheese trap That part is excellent I was listening to it in the car and I literally was laughing out loud in the car and then like replayed that section Also, it has brain modern goals as a protagonist and So Yeah, it's interesting seeing in his head after having met him before Yeah, oh is that what's going on under the hood? Oh Oh, yeah Oh, how do we feel about rage of drag? That's another one that we agree on right or have you know, yeah three stars. I give it three because I just You know see alan said that you and I actually don't agree that much and we actually do We just hasn't read a lot of the things that we've read Yeah, true I think I've picked on goodreads a couple of weeks ago when we had like 84 percent of stuff that we agree on so that is Pretty pretty high alan the numbers don't lie It's just facts. Yeah facts. Don't care about your feelings I mean I read in september I read I think five books that you've read as well And I agreed with every single one of them. Um I think I gave giddy and the nine Three stars and or two and a half and not two and that was the only difference that we had Other than tigana. It's pretty much nicer person than me Yeah That's true So, yeah negative reviews. I think we've established our valid our important are going nowhere and we are brave brave heroes You continue to speak our truth And everybody should read abba cromby. Yeah, everyone should read abba cromby I mean, I don't understand why anyone is subscribed to me and not reading abba cromby because honestly like What are you even here for that's all I talk about? I guess for cast content Okay, you can be here for two reasons my cat or talking about abba cromby. That's it though. Yeah, that's correct Any final thoughts about negative reviews about don abba cromby about I mean not those things together at all because those never But those are mutually exclusive But parting wisdom Any I don't have any wisdom to Any wisdom to hand over. I mean spoilers the crowd doesn't have wisdom either. No surprise. We've thought that No, I don't have any bad review can convince you to pick up Yeah, very true. Yeah, I am not sassy at all. So I can't help you there Angelic singing voice I mean That's interesting I'm like, are you watching this? Well, I'm just like I I sing in the shower, but you wouldn't know that so How do you know that is very creepy? Yeah, I mean oftentimes, okay, we didn't talk about this and I don't really like we can talk about it, but I it's uh I feel like you more strongly bond Over negative opinions. Yeah Like I mean, I love rushing with people about things that we like but meeting somebody you also hated it. Oh my god Because the more people like the thing and that's what's popular and if you you feel like you are It it feels more personal once again because that is not A popular opinion that is not an opinion that a lot of people have so You're glad when somebody shares that opinion Yeah, and so like that oftentimes I'll subscribe to channels based on a negative review And it's not because you know, I'm a bitter person that wants to see negativity It's just like them articulating why they hated something I just have a much more like I connect with it a lot more. Oh, even if it's a book that I haven't read if they're calling out things And I'm like, that's exactly how I would feel about something like that. Oh, that would infuriate me. Oh, that sounds terrible I like you Versus if they gush about a book I love I'm like, yeah, I mean I agree I mean I subscribe to ellen after seeing him talk trash about a lot of the rings So and that is still my favorite. So the best hate to love that there's been Yeah And he missed the lovers incredible Yeah, good jokes are divisive, but everyone can bond over bad jokes Yeah Yeah, they've become bigger on youtube. They used to be I felt like when I started talking about Abercrombie I'm not saying like I'm the first but I don't feel like that many people were talking about ever I've only been on booktube for like almost a year so He's always famous and I was like, who is this evercrombie guy though? Yeah, he's he's the best is what he is yeah What's the best book to read after the first Autrology Besser cold. Yes, of cold read them in publication order. Yeah totally that's I mean I'm gonna say like there's uh Just generally as a content creator, there's sometimes, you know a video that does really well But it's not necessarily representative of the type of content you produce You know what I mean? We're like people might subscribe based on that video But that's actually not the kind of thing that you normally do. So they're not gonna really They're not gonna be getting what they think they're getting. You know what I mean Yeah, it's a popular video versus like people who subscribe to be based on my Abercrombie content. I'm like That's literally all I do That person's gonna stay here like Yeah, you're that's absolutely what this channel is about Yeah, reading publication order is always the answer I mean in particular with Abercrombie because he builds in so many They're not Easter eggs because it's not like gimmicky but there's a lot of nods But it is it is satisfying and you it's it's it's cool. Yeah And as he said, I would always recommend vacation order in a scene in a later book Like when there's you know people in the background, you know having a drink like they could just be random strangers Well, or they could be characters that are in previous books So then if you know there's just so much more layers to that scene now And it doesn't have to be important to the plot but that's the added little something we were like Oh, that's that's them how interesting But like a person who hasn't read the previous books can read that scene fine And be like whatever the scene is, but there's just like all this added flavor Yeah, there's so much more Bring my thank god to see the best example for that because if you start with a little hatred Then you will just be like, okay. He said he's that guy and Who cares? But if you've heard everything else, yeah, I felt seen wild. So go check out. I am not a fan of this book. Yes There are now two of us You're not alone anymore But um, I mean you used a food example before and like maybe I don't know maybe this is I don't think it's gross This is the thing you do. So like when you cook Some I mean I'm I'm vegan But when you cook something like bacon in a pan and then you have all of the like bacon grease left over in the pan And then you cook something else in that pan using all of those flavors that are still in that pan Then you just have a much richer food Like you could have cooked it on a clean pan with just like olive oil But putting it in the pan that already had all of the sort of caramelized flavors Maybe from onions that you did or again from bacon Then you just have like a richer flavor in the food they cooked and that's how the abracame books are where like the new Trilogy is cooked in the same pan that the previous books were cooked in so you kind of get all of these leftover flavors Yeah, that's a great metaphor. That's better than the Ikea box metaphor. Hey, my Ikea metaphor was brilliant Leave my Ikea metaphor alone No comment See that's why Urza, why don't why do you trust me all of a sudden about tegana when you always disagree with me? Really Urza that doesn't make any sense at all. So Kings of the wild Yeah, I'm not I'm not I didn't hate Kings of the wild physically I just I just knew the the humor I didn't vibe with it. And so I was just like Okay, I can't see why this could work for people, but I totally know Like the only thing that there is to like is the humor and if you don't vibe with the humor Then you're not then there is nothing to like so it's not like a book where like you may not like this part of it But it still has all this other to offer. It doesn't if you don't like the humor You're not gonna like it So the NF all from round reviews We are straight to the point. We don't sugarcoat it I mean, I think the only time I don't talk about Abercrombie, so I'm talking about the wolf So I'm very very on the hyping and gushing about the wolf, but otherwise the Abercrombie I think you've talked about Abercrombie in those videos as well When you were talking about the character work No, like it's not it's not just like the Abercrombie would write it, but it is a different kind of So I'm not certain that I didn't so maybe you're right Okay, when I talk about radiance by grace draven, I don't bring up Abercrombie Yeah, because there's nothing to compare And you didn't bring him up during the tigana block as well Though that didn't help although internally I was weeping and thinking these are hours of my life that could have been spent reading Abercrombie Uh-oh, did he did he finish tigana meanwhile, or I think he's still reading it Has he finished it? I don't know. That's funny that it's not just me hating it. It's alan liking it Or is it Not one by itself can do it, but the combination of me hating it and alan liking it Dangerous um Oh when I was talking about tigana and wishing I could read with no, oh, yeah, okay. Okay. Okay. I was like, huh? Who wants to go back to wisdom of crowds? Okay. Okay. Okay. I want to go on a weep um He's been reading it for I mean it took him Four months to read the books that I gave him since june because he didn't have time. Yeah It started in june during read alone And that is why our team didn't win the read alone because we missed that single book that alan didn't finish What is a dad book? um Discworld of what my dad reads my dad, uh My dad really liked rage of dragons I can I can see why people like rage of dragons, but yeah What is a dad book? What are you going? I think Witcher Is a dad book? Yeah, that's what I was thinking the dad books are like dan brown and claiv kaisler. Oh, yeah dan brown. Oh, yeah um Deacon era Who's the guy that uh, james patterson? Oh, yeah, the one who writes like 50 books per year all the books that are in the airport Yeah sharp as a dad Jeffrey asher Yeah, and um, my dad read all of the master and commander books Mm-hmm, and I don't think he's read hornblower, but hornblower would be a dad book. Yeah So, yeah, you're right. Alan does read a lot of dad books Yeah, not anymore though. He used to read a lot of dad books. Now. He's just reading He's reading what I'm making Pungent books, six scrolls, acotar, acotar So my dad really liked uh Or not really liked but he on no one made my dad read acotar He read it Not as a punishment not as a bet not as a challenge. He read that and then went on to read acomaf and I was like Yeah, I told me I will read acomaf so Yeah But once again, I will not leave a rating because I will not like it Maybe that will be the big surprise of the year that ends up being your favorite. You'll be like guys I didn't think this would happen, but acomaf is my favorite book Uh, I mean, there is no new abacromi book next year. So Unless he really speeds up suicide vatican suicide squad I know I know Clive cussler is the one who writes that can't follow the dad books as well I read a good old book this last year and you and you gave it four stars and I gave it One but I that was my first can follow it book. Yeah, so that I had read that was yeah That was uh, reasonable If you read another can follow it book, you will know exactly what I was talking about Yeah, well, I mean even then when I started because I I'd seen adaptations of pillars of the earth and world that end And then what I thought about it. I was like Actually, this is the same plot Yeah, and the same characters I was like, okay Like unlike joe abacromi who like maybe echoes the past year in there But the the new age of madness wasn't just like a redux of the first law trilogy It was a totally new whereas because it was why a new setting and new names But it's the same story and female white characters. Yeah The other guy from world hoppers There's only one other guy world I think you mean alex but um Yeah, I guess alex or patrick has been Uh, I don't think so see I do try to pick up books that I won't hate and that's why I don't Yeah, you might check that out. You might read kissing the corona virus and then you will know if you like romance I mean, I liked beetroot Yeah that one pretty much only that one I mean, I've never read a Romance romance book. So who knows There's I mean, I enjoy tessa dare a lot because as I always talk or like I've said this before that she's kind of She is to romance what Deadpool is to superheroes where she's constantly like she while it is still a superhero movie Because it is a what is still a romance book because it is it's actively making fun of the genre and calling it out of itself Yeah, and like there's like so many times when like the heroine will be like I just met him. Am I really into him already? That's ridiculous Yeah, that is ridiculous. So they calls itself out the way Deadpool does all the time. So tessa dare is really funny for that reason So I like it okay And I mean, I'm so like, okay The one that I think is the absolute if there's if there's a tessa dare book that you would think is Like funny and you'd enjoy I think it's uh when a scott ties the knot where this girl she you know Doesn't want to be pressured into like getting engaged or getting married or whatever So she invents a guy that she actually like is engaged to but he's in the army And so she writes letters to him this guy that she made up and since he doesn't exist She just kind of uses her letters as like a diary To kind of just like vent about her family and vent about her life And she just addresses them to this made-up name and just addresses it like to the army But there is a guy In the army who has that name and they keep delivering all the letters to him for years and then Because like I think she comes into her inheritance And so like no one's left to like really bother her about this anymore So she decides to kill him off and just announced that oh he died in action And isn't that sad so she like writes her final letter to him about like how he's dead now And isn't that sad and he shows up and he has all the letters and she's like what and he's like hey I am real and he like basically like blackmailed her into marrying him because he wants her property Um, and he's I won't tell anyone about the letters. We don't have to bang or anything I just I want use of your land So we'll just make a deal you can you know, no one has to know this happened We don't have to sleep together. I just want the land Um, and it's just very very funny because the letters are really really funny and she's so embarrassed He's actually real and she wrote all of that to him. So it's very funny That reminds me of one of the uh game and short stories from trigger warning. I think there was one where Someone is inventing a character Okay But yeah Yeah, it is. Yeah, actually. Yeah now that you say that that does remind me of that Yeah, so Yeah, yeah And they're closing the door. Yeah Yeah So, okay, that's our final thoughts Make it every year and Abercrombie and romance and Yeah, et cetera et cetera and add on stat books. Yeah Fascinating So I'm glad we've been able to convince the world that negative reviews are important and to leave us alone and let us do them You wouldn't want us not doing them now would you who'd want a world like that? Yeah Such a sad place So my only positive reviews such a sad place Hello from Canada All right, well, thank you very much class for joining me for two hours I mean, we as usual we didn't stay on topic, but Yeah As usual we didn't talk for an hour. Yeah surprise I mean, we we kept on topic for like a full hour and then the second hour is always, you know Always we didn't talk about senators in the town. So That's that so So That's I mean well quickly like I was jacked and amused by how many people Were like I just watched your way of kings review and I would like to submit to you my book to review and I'm like After watching me eviscerate one of the most beloved and the most popular books You want me to read like you are very confident like I respect the balls to be like you gave way of kings one star Read my book Okay I think I've said it before I never want you to read any of my books never Okay, maybe maybe Maybe if if I've run like the yugo award, I think at that point I I might give in much more negative now great I mean I think we said before you learn so many things from negative reviews Don't you want to learn from the wisdom that I have to oh, yeah Okay, so People like getting roasted I guess Here destroy my book Um, I can't they aren't enough centers and books for that More more like you make me read as the Anderson book every time because there's a lot of standards. I'm not read And then it's a punishment for centers and enough for you and And so what's the point? Okay, so I think that was dreams of the dying. This is not English I mean words have meanings. This is not how words work I mean, yeah, maybe they are just trying to get me to like basically edit their book for free That's fair Yes, I agree. I should get prizes for shoehorning and ever my mom According to my mom Abercrombie owes me a cut of his book sales. Yeah All right, you should have asked that in the interview Maybe if I ever get a second interview when I feel more comfortable with him and then I'll never get a third because I got too snarky Yeah, too comfortable Well, thanks so much for joining me. Thanks for joining me also in posting negative reviews about these well below books So I'm not so alone Yeah, I appreciate your bravery. Thank you for your service Always a pleasure Uh, so yeah, enjoy the rest of your weekend and uh, we'll see you at another negative review soon