 We have, this meeting has been posted in three different places and put on the website and e-mail to interested parties. Good. So we can continue. Does anyone have any additions to the agenda that they would like to make tonight? I'm going to just add a couple of things that weren't on the original agenda because I have to post it when I have a minute to do it. So, 16th special meeting minutes and also I had added on to adopt the liap but it's on this agenda not on the one that was originally posted so I think we're going to mention that. Okay. Anybody else out there? Nope. Okay. And so, let's start then with the meetings of the April 16th special meeting and I just for nine months to review the meeting. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, I would move to accept those. Accept it? Accept it? All right. All in favor? All right. And then we've got the minutes for the last regular select board meeting Monday, April 9th. I don't have any. I see a little typo correction there. Well, this is a 607 instead of 67. Oh. It's a little simple. Okay. So, I've moved to accept those as presented. Second. All in favor? All right. All righty. We had that. And Walt, you're on the agenda that you had a question about the Rochester School Forest. I have a little more to question. I'm going to give a short piece. You're in school now. Can't hear. Holler. Let me begin by stating I'm not an attorney. I always have to give that disclaimer. I would like to express a citizen's concern in the matter of the town forest conveyed by Quick Claim D to the school district of the town of Rochester on May 15, 1948. As trustees in the sole interest of holding title, the school board's lack of a clear decision today regarding transfer of title to this land, according to stated intent of the trust, is liable to leave the citizens of Rochester with an expensive legal bill. I have taken the time to research trusts and to seek legal advice regarding trusts, trustee obligations, and successor trustee beneficiaries. I am offering my opinion, but urging the select board that as the successor trustees, a small legal cause for an opinion of their responsibility and the interest of the citizens of the town of Rochester now, versus a possible large legal cause for litigation, is in the interest of the town. It seems clear from the text of the Quick Claim Deed that it was the intent of the grantors that exclusive use and control of the land be vested in the principal and students attending Rochester High School, primarily for instructional purposes. The principal and students alone are vested with the option to vote to discontinue exercise and control of said real estate only. Such interest then to pass to the successor trustees, the town of Rochester. The trust clearly does not provide the principal and students with the right to vote for any other disposition of the land, nor does it vest the town's school district with any other right than to hold the land title as trustee. Research indicates that, generally speaking, trust lists successor trustees in the event that the first trustees are unwilling or unable to execute the responsibilities of the trust. It automatically passes to the successor trustees to do so. I believe that as a Quick Claim Deed lists the town of Rochester as the final beneficiary, the select board has legal obligation and the interest of the residents of Rochester to be engaged in this conversation. It is most likely that when this land was granted to the use of the principal and attending students of the high school, the grantors never conceived a unified school district, but their intent was clearly the use and control be vested in the principal and students of the high school. They did not provide that the principal and students of the high school could vote to pass use and control to the middle or grammar schools, but specifically listed the town of Rochester. In the course of merger discussion, the school for us was included, I believe, erroneously as a district asset. I brought this to the attention of the school board member and was assured that it was a mistake that they would correct. Yet it remains an unsolved merger issue expressed to me as well we included it. When the citizens of Rochester voted in favor of the merger, I'm sure that we expected that the school board with guidance would complete the transaction. It appears that a mistake was made regarding the school forest. Additionally, merger may have negated meaningful vote by the principal and students attending the high school. They cannot vote to retain the land in the manner stipulated in the deed in the interest of a high school that has been discontinued. Let me reiterate, the quit claim deed does not provide any avenue to vote for any other use only to transfer the land to the town. The final trustees' beneficiary of the trust is the town of Rochester. I believe that the select board has responsibility to be involved in this conversation and again, I urge them to do so. Now, this was conserved in proposal, so I'm going to offer a proposal. Assuming that the 20-acre parcel comes into the eventual possession of the town of Rochester and knowing that the select board has expressed some reservation with harsh inholding parcels with deeds that need to be cleaned up, I'll go on record as offering to purchase the parcel, $333.33 plus transfer fees with a deeded commitment to propose U.S. Forest Service eventual acquisition of the parcel as an outdoor classroom for environmental learning. The proposal would include interpretive nature trails. Such a proposal would have no effect on the current or future tax base, provide the equivalency of a 50-year lease value to the town, and be consistent with both the Bingo area and Rochester town plan, and more importantly, honor the intent of the original grantors from 1948. This proposal is consistent with the Rochester town plan of April 9, 2018 in policies and goals in forestry, education, recreation, and specifically an express land strategy of selling or donating land with conditions attached, like deed restrictions or conditional transfers. It embraces the policy under section 8, recreation, subsection D, forest service, policy 2. It is the policy of the town to continue its working relationship with the Green Mountain National Forest. This proposal embraces many of the policies of the Rochester town plan regarding local and forest use, as well as expansion of our local U.S. Forest Service policies of access, provides a continuing educational environment for local and out-of-town students, and could be a win for everyone. Go ahead and come. Just open up the conversation. Can I ask you a question, please? Well, you were talking very quickly, and I want to make sure that I get your intent correct. I can't quote everything. Your intent would be to have it, if you purchased it, to have it become an outdoor classroom for environment or learning, but it would be under the control of forest service or? Well, eventually turn over as part of the inholding parcel for forest. Should they be willing to accept it? OK. Thank you. So we did inquire to VLCT about this, and before incurring the expense of bringing it to the town attorney, it appears that there is money set aside in this whole merger process to deal with this. And we decided that at least let this play out with the expense of the school board that they've already allocated to evaluate how this can transpire. And then we figured we could bring our attorney into it. In terms of making a decision about selling it to you, I think that's really put in the heart, the cart before the horse quite a bit. It's an interesting idea. It's an interesting idea, and I appreciate the sentiment. But it's nothing that we can really seriously deal with at this point, because we have a lot to clear up before any thought of selling the property. I'm just trying to have some conversation. Do you have any input on that? No, we did ask the Vermont State University in town their opinions, and they pointed us in directions that we should go. And they were obviously in the end pointing us towards lawyers' opinion, which there is one already in place that I believe we agree with. So we're going to let what has happened set into concrete, and then we will be picking that up as soon as we have the time on the table, the school board right now, as you know, is scrambling for a budget. And so they've come in and out of this and tabled it a little bit, but they will be right back to it within probably the next four to six weeks. It is definitely on their agenda to do what is right, but their attorneys advise them to do as well. Do when you're speaking of when this moment that is a concern, it seems like we've missed it a long time ago. I'm sorry, I stepped in a few minutes late. In relation to the day in the morning, daycare, who bought it, how much? Great, there's the sale on top of it. OK, but it just seems like a lot of things piled up on us that's unknown. And April 3rd, you had a special select board meet town meeting, and you guys decided you wanted the daycare building, and now it's gone. Is that the case? Can you explain what happened? We expressed our interest, but it was not our decision. It was the school board's decision, whether or not to sell it to me. That meeting, I don't know that. I'm just answering your question. Why don't we know? Would you like answers, or are you going to just talk about it? I've been looking for answers. Nobody's been coming up. Well, one at a time. I was back like five sentences ago. That's not what you first asked, so just calm down. Someone bought the daycare. It is under contract. It's under contract. It's never bought to you. So we can pull the plug on? You need to keys in your hands. So it is under contract to be sold. So we can pull the plug on it, if the town wants to. So we can pull the plug on it? Yes, the town specified that they were interested in the building. The Rochester School Board had the proposal of the town accepting the building and an offer to sell the building. They chose to sell the building. And where did this money go? It's going to go towards whatever they determined. The black hole. It belongs to the Rochester School Board. That's the one the people that are dealing with sell it for. So this question is probably better answered at a school board meeting than at a select board meeting, because it's not our building to sell. That meeting, well, you talked about it earlier. We wanted to buy it, and we talked about it. We expressed our interest. The public trust fund dumped over $300,000 over the last 10 years into this, and that it was easily a situation where it could be transferred for $1 to the town. So go to the school board and ask them why they chose not to deal with it. It just looks like a coup of the old school board to the select board. No, I don't think so. Why? It's just disgusting. What's been going on around here? It is. It is disgusting. The fact that you're in this meeting. Yes, I love you, Jo-Ann. I love you, Jo-Ann, that you can get $40,000 from this town to treat me the way you do. Well, out to Jo-Ann is a good example of an elected official who's getting paid $40,000 in treating public taxpayers the way she does. Sorry. What? What? What? How'd you? Sure. Civil. Sure. It's OK. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Jo-Ann did not sell it. I'm just tired of seeing all this Bologna going on around here. Come on. Let's start talking about what to do. You know, it just gets put off and put off, and then everybody gets right up the wrong place. You can all sell. Hey, don't worry about it. That could happen, Terry. Marvin, welcome home. Do you have any more favorite? As I can't keep quiet, what has the school board got to do with this Peter Ladd? Absolutely nothing. It was never dealing to the school. Yes, well, they're all connected, aren't they? No, they're not. Yes, they are, Martha. You say it was? No, I'm saying you're bringing us back to the original topic, all right, out the town forest. Which is that? Right, which is what the discussion was about. And now we've got a little derail. And so why is it that Walt Weld is offering to purchase the land, and then let the Forest Service have it? Why does he personally have to purchase that? Can't the students of the right of the high school deed it to the Forest Service directly? I don't think so. I think in the deed, it has to go to the town. It has to go to the town. With the vote of the students. Is the board of the school, have they already voted? No, but they will. They can't do it until they go to Crowby and find out how to break the trust. That's right, some people may just not understanding. There's a question. I can't answer this. Pardon? Forget it. OK. Walt, you had something you wanted to say. They got lost. They got lost. All right, they got lost. And when you come back, so the short answer is, could you repeat the first sentence of your speech? The very first sentence? The very first sentence. Where it starts, so if I would state I'm not an attorney? Or you mean the other part, where it says I would like to express a citizen's concern in the matter of the town forest conveyed by quit-claim deed to the school district holding in title only. Let me finish this sentence. They don't have any right to anything other than to hold the title. It's the students and the principal that actually have a right to vote only to give it up. And then it does go back to the town where the property really came from. Eventually, but at that point in time, you did say it was the school district. They hold title only. Yes. They have no rights to anything other than holding. Hey, wait a minute, Arlen. Hey, what's the position of the town on this whole deal anyway? The position of the town after we first school board. The school forest? The school forest, yeah. We haven't been asked to give a position officially yet. So when they've asked for our position, we will not. Well, Arlen's asking for it. That sounds pretty official. But I'm sure that the town would consider taking the property. Well, it sounds like that's the town's we're in line to take the property. That would be, I would be using it as trustees. Yes. Yes. And that's what I think would be an appropriate step. I mean, not to get back to Dandelion, but this is going to go the same way that Dandelion went. So when I left the last select board meeting, this was Dandelion's daycare was going to be talked about by the town before anything was done with it. But that was all we were able to do was express to the school board that, yes, we would be interested in taking the building. We could not direct their decision. Their decision is their decision. So that's a major decision. Yeah. That's a fine member of the board. Yeah. Martha. Can you just repeat what you said inside about the town that would be, everybody's been talking and interpreting the things that happened to it, that you felt it would be appropriate for the town to, about the school board to. To accept the, the, the way the wording of the deed is. The way the wording of the deed is, we would become the trustees of the forest. The town would become the trustees of the forest. If the principal and high school students can no longer function. Can no longer function. OK. And I think that. Which seems to be the direction we're going. Yes. That's eminent. Yeah. And that's in response to your question about this is different than what happened to Dandelion Daycare because there was not such a directed succession for Dandelion Daycare as there is for the town forest. So I, I would hope that it does not play out. Well, I'm hoping that the town has not been yet, you know, pushed around. Supervisory district. Supervisory union lawyer, you know. It seems like since the supervisory union has moved in here, all we've gotten out of is a higher level of bureaucracy. It costs a lot of money. The supervisory union is not who made the decision to sell that. It just seems like everything's getting gobbled up by him. Yeah. Now, it's a mess, yes. You have something clear. Well, in response to this mess, I have not heard from the students that the principal has even approached them that they have this opportunity to deal with their property. And by the way, we have a supervisory union lawyer involved with going to probate court to try to take this property, the bingo school property, where the students have been not offered, have been not offered a lawyer. Where are the levels of responsibility on the town? I think, again, you're in the wrong meeting to bring those up. No. No. You can't keep putting all this stuff in different silos. You're going to have to start relating to this as a community. We have no control over it. Oh, I know you don't have any control over nothing. No, I'm sorry. I know. The Vermont city leaves in towns. That's in control. It's a twin river on a quiche that's in control. You guys don't have any responsibilities anymore. That's what's happening. We have some responsibilities, and we'd like to move on to a damage unless anyone has anything else I would like to say on this topic. I'd like to hear from you. Is there a date by which this issue needs to be resolved, one way or the other, to satisfy some of the legal requirement? Like, does this have to be resolved in past or moved by July 1 or the end of the calendar year? What needs to be resolved? Do you know the status of the town for us? I don't think so. It's not true whether it's private unified school district or something like that. July 1? No. July 1? All right. July 1 is when the unified school district takes over, and the Rochester school district is dissipated. Resolved? Yeah. But any of those requirements of the trust and the deed and all that stuff would still hold past that date if they were resolved? It could hold past that date, especially if it's deemed not to be part of the school. OK. All right. Well, the issue about the student body is nine high school students, as I understand. What did they graduate? June. June 9. That's before the merger. That's senior, so is that not right? Is that no longer a high school student? Only three years. Or do we have some lesson seniors that are still here? Better not seniors? I think there are three more that are still there. I just didn't know whether we had only seniors or whether else. What's the odd number anyway? She's getting still, ain't she? It's 20 acres. Is it 15.1? 15.1 or something? I think it's 15.1 acres. That sounds right. 15.1 acres. People have thrown around the 20 mark. It's less than that. Each is 20. I've got people right here. OK. Well, then there's an obvious discrepancy between them and the tax map then, which is not. Not unusual either. You can follow the data. It should be about 28 acres of land. About. That's the key word. About. It's also not accessible. 15.1. You round it up, you know. There's no range to. Well, I guess we can go back to the priority and go where it goes from pin to pin to pin and feed. I know. Survey may be necessary. Moving on to things that are not able to make it here tonight, but I have her reports and updates. And today the BYCC Vermont Youth Conservation Corp crew under the direction of the White River partnership planted the undeveloped portion of the Park and Ride lot this afternoon with low growing native shrubs, choked cherry and red Ocier dogwood on the north end of lot. And they're going to plant some Sycamore saplings along a stream. Basically this is to help to stabilize that in terms of erosion prevention and maintain that. So that's, that was pretty, pretty simple and not intensive. The town is also signing an agreement with the White River partnership to maintain the planting for at least 20 years, which essentially means we won't cut or remove what's been planted. There's no requirement to place anything that dies there. And also in the Park and Ride, we need to install curving around the perimeter of the parking area and that can be scheduled for some time this spring or summer. We do have 1,100 in the grant budget for this. So that'll be a project once we're done plowing snowmen. It's been done. We take it out so we can plow. So you took it out so we can plow? All right. Is it concrete or timber? No, tires. And Hebert Excavating is prepared to start work on the Village Septic Upgrade project by May 21st, possibly the week before, depending on the weather. And a pre-construction meeting with Herbert and DuBois King is being set up. I have a few dates that they wanted to let them know whether or not would be appropriate for that meeting so that we can warn it. There's three of us there. And she has recently applied for some grants, one to the Town Highway Structures Grant for a culvert replacement design and a slope failure on Topham Mountain Road below Terry Severy's house. And that's an estimated cost of $12,000, which the town's cost share would be 10%. And also a V-Trans Town Highway Class II Roadway Grant, which would be engineering for the larger slope failure on Topham Mountain Road parallel to Brook Street, and estimated cost $45,000, and we would be sharing 20% of that. So we've had them... Cost for engineering? That's the engineering only, not the construction, right? There will be a V-Trans Grant monitoring visit with Joanne and Joan on May 9th. Looking at the Park and Ride Grant, the Mount Fishman Culvert Replacement Design, Bethel Mountain Road slope repair and the Governor's Highway Safety. And Mark will probably be there for the last one. I see he's not here tonight. As an update on the current grant and aid project, which is ditching on Town Line Road, we'll work on updating that. The extended completion deadline is June 30th, and we need documentation of the Town's 20% match, which is $2,400 in time material and equipment use. And Rhys, she's been working on an update to the Class II Roadway Grant for North Hollow Road and work involved graveling, which I noticed did a lot of good on that. This mud season does in good shape. And is that completed now, or is there... Some of that has pavement tailings up through there too. Yeah. The Two Rivers Out of Quichee Board will approve our new Town plan at their meeting this Wednesday. After that, Joan's going to resume working with Two Rivers Out of Quichee Regional Commission as Christopher Damiani on the Village downtown redesignation. We also need to review our current driveway permit requirements and possibly update it so we're in compliance with the new Municipal Road's general permit that is probably a select board project more than a planning board project. Okay. It will involve both, but... Yeah, it will involve both, but... Yeah. Speaking of which, did we get that driveway permit for up in the hollows? Jeff Sherman? Yeah, Jeff Sherman's place. We have that here too, because that's something... Night? Yeah, tonight. Yeah, grab that because that's something we should do. So, I see no one here from the library or the constables. Dan, are you tired of clowns? No yet. The door's open. Warm. It's nice out. You're wearing shorts. We're wearing all last weekend. Yeah. Winter's gone long enough. Yeah. I talked to Mike Bowen about the renting the pit down there for gravel. 2,400 bucks for the year. Storing gravel? Well, it's down here in the flood plain. More than that up there. Culver's gonna look better. Stuff is down here in the flood plain. They're wearing the salt. Excuse me. Are we gonna wear the salt? No, the salt's gone in the sand. They're gonna stay right down there where they... Where are you bringing it? In the middle of the spring. Oh, okay. Mike Bowen's pit. We finally came up with the price of $2,400 for the year. To use that as storage. And that could be a locked place to have access to. This is something we've been talking about for a couple of years. Because I think that storing our gravel pit in a flood plain is probably breaking a few rules. Many? Yeah, many. How good do you let that go a year ago? Yep. Same spot. Same spot. What is the year? It's not calendar year, is it? No, it'll be fiscal year. Fiscal year, July 1. Yes, fiscal year. We can start right now, but I told him that it would be because I don't think Julian wants to check on the 1st of July. First of August he said we'd be fine by him. He wasn't. Is that all right? You can do it monthly. I said it'd probably be just easy for you to write one check a year. Similar to how I've been done with it. All right. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Yeah. You'll have to deal with the salt issue and so forth. Yeah, it will. But not thin enough to have in the salt. I mean, Irene took all the salt away that we had there. Two whole pound garages in the flood. Yeah, I mean, if we're going to move the salt, the town barge is going with it. Package deal. Yes, it's kind of handy to have a loader to load the salt. So there'll be no more gravel deposited down there? No, that's right up there. Spread out once there and then there. So you'll bring the loader up over there for the summer? No. Just one. They'll dump it up over the bank. It's like they used to do with the sand. Right. So you just drive it over? Yeah. Probably won't leave it there for extended period of time. Mark that. Or use it. I heard you correctly that you're storing gravel there, not sand, right? Yes. Right. Thank you. So open up to where the gravel is currently now being stockpiled that was kind of the secondary parking area for the new town park. So that'll open that up for that. That eventually is going to make us house the mud dry up. Not too bad. Right now, bud? Yeah. Right up there, no. What's that? The federal obscene people. They're working on it. They're still working on it. Yep. They're here today. They still have a bunch. They haven't gone very high up yet. So another couple days. I would assume at least, yeah. I think next week we'll probably switch to 410s. Do you have equipment you want to store in the old fire station? Anything that sits outside. Most of the stuff that's inside that we don't use very often. Yeah. Yeah, we'll start opening it up there. So you're going on? Yeah. Okay. Give us an inventory of what's going on here. Yeah. That's today. Yeah. And we just got another ton. Stuff they missed. Last batch they made has got a lot of, right, glue in it. It's good stuff. So I'll send them over. So they can come on Friday to do the spring walk around. Hopefully we'll get it done Friday, but I won't guarantee it. Other than that, I just, I don't think you're ready for it. Eric, I didn't talk to Louis today today. Estimate. It is. I mean, it's not a big deal, but it also is. It's never, never had to be used. Is it? He said it's a couple of days of work, but it'd be nice to be able to just, you know, plug in and look at the transfer switch and make it work the way it's supposed to work when needed. So apparently the transfer switch has been in storage for a long time. He used, it was supposed to be done long time ago. Yeah. So we're going to get that done again. Okay. So the walk around with the boy and King that he was referring to is our annual review and report of the way it's water system. And our, also our 2018 professional services agreement with the boy and King, some amount of. That's, I think you find that just an estimate and they base it on, I think that's not to exceed that. Not to exceed. I think in the years past it's been less. So it's not to exceed 28. The second of May meeting, guys got any plans? That Monday would be fine by the week before, the week after I'll be fine. What about you? Not sure. Not sure. Tuesday? Well, what's. I mean, I'll, I would try to be here. We can do a Tuesday. Well, at that Tuesday. Yeah. Tuesday with me. Tuesday is the planning meeting. Tuesday is the planning meeting. Yeah. That's when you started. No, we're talking to the second May meeting, which is. Oh, I thought this was May. So the 29th. Second May. We have two meetings in May. One on the 14th and one supposedly on the 28th, which would be Memorial Day. So we can move it to the 29th. Or. You can also. Decide this in our first meeting in May. So then we'll have a better idea of what's going on. Coming up. Table that now. No other schedules are like. We'll have a meeting one way or the other. Which will be. Probably one. Absolutely. Yeah. So. Vic's revisions now moving on to the. The local emergency operations plans. Because a list of revisions to it. Do you know those revisions been incorporated into this? Yeah. Yeah. Most of the revisions are updating names and contacts. Right. Right. So now that. Guess I would move to. Accept the new revision. Of the. Local. I before we do that, I have one question. Why am I? Why am I replacing you? You weren't at that meeting. After what I missed. You sure you don't want to be here at the 28th? No, I'm okay. I'm just curious. Where is it? It might just be. It's on page 13. It might just be something for the member. I just don't remember vote for it. I guess that's the way it works. Actually we did not replace it at all. No. Okay. I think we added. Because. Okay. It's a little bit. All three of us. It's worth it. I was at that meeting. No, we didn't change students name at all. And we could spell the name correctly too. Yeah. So it's not me. Yeah. That's not in the. That's not in here. So yeah, you're. Not yet. That's correct. I'm sure of it. But if you don't come to the memorial, baby. We might vote you. Yeah. We might vote you on this. So I've moved to. Okay. Accept this. That is all that we have on the agenda for tonight. Sir, I have a quick question. Yes. Speaking of the way you just spoke of that. I can't remember the name of the company, but the company that's in financial trouble right now with the microwave did emergency dispatch cell towers. Does that affect us if they were to go belly up? Are we do we use their service? No. No. No. This was a. That was that. What they, that is the company that. They're the ones that went belly up that. There was a bunch of grant money out there after Irene to help. Improve the emergency. Readiness. Yep. And one of the issues here was. Communication. And. You know, we could get 18 T coverage if we drove up the hills and bounced off Pico, but the, the repeater or the cell tower at the church was dead after their battery died. And there was no generator. To. Right. And so. There was grant money out there and they put in this little hotspot here. That is. I guess it's. Battery powered solar. You know, charge batteries. That gave a hotspot. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, yeah. And there they are dotted up and down the state highways. Yeah. Every one. That was not staying for the mobile phone. Yeah. Yeah. It gives Verizon service because AT&T didn't want to buy into this so that Verizon probably spring I'm not sure what other companies but you know it's not AT&T because they didn't want to subscribe to that theory. There are some towns that don't have any AT&T signal and therefore these little gizmos up and down the state highway provided something to the town when that company goes belly up those towns will revert back to having no access to sales. But that's not us. It's not us. The signal that comes from the tower in the church is AT&T. AT&T I thought so. Thank you. Okay as long as we're covered. No I just wondered because I didn't know if I needed to put an antenna back on that red barn. And it didn't used to work until but now it doesn't. I used to provide your phone. And I think Hancock is one of them. It's not on the list. Hancock doesn't always pull up when you get up the branch. It doesn't pull off the Grandville and they were feeding off of a couple of those as it went up the hillside and they'll be losing that. So I don't know that they're off 100% yet or not. I'm not sure. How far did you say the hot spot reaches out? This one right here? Yeah. Now that I have people in the bike shop say oh what's going on? I have Verizon but then it doesn't work. Not very far. It's really just in the parking lot and you know very town. 500 feet isn't it? There is one in Stockwood at the bottom of Timber Hawk so the people in Timber Hawk get it. But it's almost the line of sight. It's not very far. Is that right? 1000 feet. But over the last summer I've seen several times people parked out here working away on their phones. I know that this is a spot where they can stop and check their email. Does anyone else have anything else they'd like to give you tonight? Thank you for the conversation as always and we will endeavor to persevere.