 Hi, this is Will Spencer from the renaissance of men with a 21 report here with Elliot and Colleen Hulse. I good to see you guys Thanks for having us. Thanks for being here You guys just hosted a discussion Between the two of you for the 22 convention. How did that go? Well really well? It was amazing to have my wife on stage And I'm typically in front of the camera and to have my life partner there with me was amazing Did you enjoy answering questions A lot of a lot of good points driven home What was the main theme of what you guys were sharing Well, you know, I was inspired to bring her on stage as a result of the type of content that I create for social media And I'm speaking mainly to men and a lot of times men and women ask What does your wife think about that? I know say something that may sound a little harsh or difficult for the postmodern mind to absorb And then the question becomes well, where's your wife? What does she think about this? And so I thought this was a great opportunity to bring her on to show that We live this way successfully and traditional marriage and family is a Beautiful thing Especially if we're both on the same page and we are And how was the experience for you like we both was there a message that you wanted to share or to reinforce Elliot's message Yeah, just to reinforce that that what we do works the way we relate to one another works the way we relate to our children works and that going back to just traditional values and Choices can really make an impact in your marriage and in your family and really your legacy And I think we were able to drive that point home. Well with with the women in the audience You think it landed for them. I think so Yeah, they seem to resonate with it Well, it's great to see that there are so many women that are receptive to the message because the subversion has been complete It's been quite a long ride And to be saying things that are traditional Normal if you consider the scope of human history and not get Negative feedback or you know the the vitriol and hate that you'll often get from women who and men who By no fault of their own have fallen victim to the Gynaocentric brainwashing of our culture. So you didn't you didn't get any pushback from the from the audience Oh, it was actually very refreshing to have women echo back to us Yes, it is really valuable for a mom to stay home with her children It is really valuable for a woman to provide what she can for the home and to provide a nurturing environment and a nurturing home And to support her husband and to encourage him in making big courageous decisions I think it was it was amazing to be in a room full of women who kind of echoed that back and Really saw the value of it. Did you see that coming? I did well. I didn't know what to expect But it was it was a very welcome feeling Did you get to talk to any of the women after they come up and discuss with you privately? Yeah, yeah there's another another woman I spoke to who they're starting to homestead and kind of exploring that that that new lifestyle of kind self-sufficiency and in the traditional marriage and just kind of being around those type of women that can kind of encourage me and It was refreshing it was refreshing to kind of hear that back and Yeah, sometimes it feels like we're alone. All right We make some decisions based on our hearts calling But to see the world typically going in a different direction and we're you know going the opposite direction It's good to be around like-minded people. So it was helpful and they tend to be really happy like-minded people Well, we see the people going in the other direction. They're usually the you know We don't necessarily want to be going in that direction with those angry mean you know Really sad people and then to be in a room full of women who were really excited about where this path could potentially take you Or have seen the errors of their ways having made other types of decisions. It was it was great Elliot you encounter a lot of the other types of women was a refreshing for you to meet women that were receptive to your message I'm an optimist. I tend to think that Eventually, everyone's going to wake up. So Yeah, I kind of live in a bubble as well, right we insulate ourselves In a bubble of our values and tend to be discerning about who gets in and who gets out And so the rest of the world to me rolls off my back like water So I'm open to Whatever, and I was just I was pleased with what showed up Now you've spoken many times at the 21 convention. What number is it five six something like that? I spoke at the first Patriarch edition of the 21 convention in 2019. I want to say So this is my third year third year. How have you seen the convention change over the past three years? Well, it's interesting from what I understand That year was the pivotal year 2019 when the patriarch edition of the 21 convention was added From what I understand speaking with Anthony the event was generally about men but in relation to intersexual dynamics and how we can meet women, right? And so the advent of the patriarch edition allowed men who Dare I say our elders in this space meaning well, I have a successful marriage I have a successful family and I might have something to add to what's next when you find your partner or your wife or whatever the case may be so That evolution Invited me in right I was invited in as a part of that and I'm pleased to see it blossoming because it's really the next step For assault understanding women understanding intersexual dynamics is great But then where does it lead where how does it become generative and that's in the space of marriage and family? That's a great word for a generative. It's an unexpected word You wouldn't expect to hear it in a space like this, but generativity is very important to the men that I find right I mean when it boils down to it and we look back That's the question. We'll be asking ourselves. What did I produce? What did I create? How did I make the future better for this world and calling? This is your first time at the convention would have been your impressions overall so far of the total space. I Really enjoyed meeting the men that I've heard so much about from Elliot and who I've seen online and who I know Impact how he believes and what he thinks and Getting to meet people who who kind of influence him and who fans that I know that he influences It's great to see that full circle of of of all of it Being around the women Again, it's it was a little shocking that they were so receptive. I was kind of expecting a little bit of pushback But I think that's the even the next step beyond bringing in Fathers is bringing in the women. Yeah that once the men are involved and once the fathers are involved and bring in the women and Don't be scared to kind of put it out there for women because there are going to be women that are receptive to it and typically they'll be led by their husbands who Through successful marriages and families. They know this is the right way and Yeah, really to be around the women that Can see that and can see that vision is is beautiful. Have you gotten a network with any of the other female speakers? I've gotten some of their numbers and and their website and stuff But not yet, but by the end of the weekend. I'm sure I will have you been recognized by any of the male attendees Well, I some of the fans. Yeah, I mean It happens often But um, yeah, and then what's it like being here as a couple You've come alone in the past and now you have your wife here with you. Is it a different experience having your wife here? Have you noticed a difference to the way that the men are treating you or the speakers maybe? No, not that How can I say this of course it's different because she's here with me, but My relationship with the guys and what unfolds and how everything is happening is essentially the same But it's been beautiful to see how You know, some of the men that are here are not into marriage They're you know more into dating and things of that nature, but then to be able to respect myself and my wife in a way that Shows that they acknowledge that the possibility of a healthy marriage and family is capable is possible and That's just been amazing. It's just it's been all but good the recognition of you guys as a couple and to acknowledge the value of marriage Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think it's important for them to see us together as well, right because once again, you hear me and you see me I'm on video and I'm spitting all this stuff and I'm ranting. I'm going and it's like wow Elliot. Are you nuts and For them to then see well I am this way, but it works and this is your wife is evidence, right? I think I remember Derek Prince once saying that there was a pastor who would never judge a man until he met his wife He's always a good man. He's a good man. Wait. Have you met his wife? And then when you meet his wife, you know the true heart of that man and she carries it well How did you feel just getting ready to bring her for the first time? Well, were there any feelings at all? No, there were no feelings I Don't know if this is strange or not, but we're rather comfortable around each other I don't know how it is for some people's but like I'd actually prefer to have her around and I'm sure it's the same for her so Was there any diffs comfort? I would say the complete opposite. It's actually very comfortable having my wife with me Do you guys think you'll do something like this again or calling me? Maybe you'll give a talk at 22 on your own next year, perhaps Perhaps I know we've talked about doing things together in terms of couples and marriage and family and Kind of exploring that for the future, but it's definitely a first step Wonderful, thank you guys both very much for being here and for talking with me and for contributing to the people here Yeah, well, thanks a lot This is Will Spencer from the Renaissance of Men with a new 21 report. Thanks very much