 Hey everyone, welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast season 2 episode 18 I am your host as always Nathaniel Rumpel Jants aka Nintendo Prime Right dead center at the top is our co-host as always mr. Eric more. How's it going? Good. Good. All right I just continuing on you know, we have the og Podcasts on top because Darren Back from the Zeldin former days. How's it going buddy? How's it going? Good to be here. All right, right below there We got mr. Andres restarted tonight. How's it going? Good evening people. I'm all right All right next to him for the first time ever Stealth 40k. How's it going buddy? Good. Thanks for having me on Thanks for reaching out to be on and then the incomparable Player essence. How's it going buddy? How's it going? Thanks for having me on. Yeah, no problem, man All right, so we have a lot of stuff to get to We're gonna it's gonna be a bit of a shorter show this week guys. We're going about 90 minutes I know Andres we started to dip out a little bit earlier than that as well So let's just quickly go through. What have we been playing lately? I'll just start and go It's been breath of the wild master mode for me and that's Pretty much been it I thought about jumping into Future Connect because I already haven't paid for but I haven't actually finished playing Do you know my chronicles 3 so I'm gonna wait till I do that so and after you pay a future connect And then you should place in the Chronicles 3 and then play Future Redeem Okay, anyways Eric, what are you playing lately? I'm stole Sparks, I hope they like the tower Tower of Doom Tower of Doom. Yeah, yeah Darren mr. Tupac Shakura shirt over there. How you doing? What are you playing? Doing good. You know me. I'm on that modern warfare two grinds always It never stops and I've been playing a lot of online chess as well Chess to talk about talk about like the opposite ends of the spectrum I'm playing online chess and then modern warfare two. I don't know. They're both. I mean they're both war games Yeah, war games, right? Yeah, right? It's all good for you in one way or another. Yeah, right? Yeah, I don't know a lot of warfare two seems to raise my blood pressure, but Chester bring it back down. I can understand that. It's like you get brain rot playing modern warfare two Yeah When you come on and say so I've been playing a lot of go lately the Chinese go game Oh, well, gee, that's even you're really trying to get that brain going again I'm just restart. We've been playing lately. Um, well, I started future redeem last night I'm only got to play for like an hour and a half But I was I started it and I was like, oh my gosh, this game's amazing like the opening area just blew my mind like so It's amazing. I was like, oh my gosh I Reminded me that zealot crime goes through as my favorite game last year is like This is a banger like it's incredible But I also have been playing advanced words that came out this weekend as well. So I'm playing those two games Also playing Breath of the Wild when I have a chance to go live And that's pretty much it which I think is a lot. So it's pretty good. That's a lot in a week Stealth, what are you into playing lately? Playing Future Connected playing advanced wars. I'm also playing a theatrhythm final bar line, which is great And then before that I just put like 200 hours into Octopath Traveller, too It's a long game This is a long game. I haven't got to the idea. I'm only I Say probably 25% in right now and it's already been quite the journey Player essence. What are you playing lately? Future redeemed that games incredible. It's like They always make the games like the DLCs better than like the main game or like fix so many things from it Feels more tight or better experience. So playing that about four four hours in but I'm not really that far I've just been like leveling up cuz I'm on the hard difficulty. So it's fun, but it's really good Did you beat the first boss? It's like in that cave Yeah, I went back and beat it. Yeah, I went back and beat that today like that that unique enemy like the yeah Yeah Yeah, he does like that command may have been that just like that's I got Like twice, but I can't I got to level 8. It wasn't strong enough to beat him yet. So I probably have to go back Yeah, yeah, you gotta go. Yeah, you definitely got to go back because I was level 10 and didn't beat him. So Yes, yeah, just complain that Nice. All right. Next up. We're just gonna go over some quick headlines from the last week We aren't doing bigger topics on One of the ones that kind of popped off the last couple days Big shout out by the way to doc tray 81 fellow youtuber for bringing this to many people's attention that the Nintendo European research and development team nerd is hiring people for next-generation hardware in particular cross-platform play that seems to be a pretty interesting thing to note So you guys go check out his video on that he went pretty extensive into it Advance Wars 1 plus 2 reboot camp has some sales Numbers sort of because we don't really get exact figures in the UK But it did debut at number three in the UK. I think tomorrow we should have the Japan numbers And then last but not least this happens every week Shigeru Miyamoto just reminding the world that there will be more Nintendo movies coming Which isn't a shocker considering that the Mario movies like a stone's throw away from being a billion dollar There's not gonna be any There's not gonna be any Japanese numbers for Advance Wars, by the way Oh, is it one is when does it release in Japan? It doesn't it doesn't release at all. No That's weird I just assume all the Nintendo games released in Japan Operation Rain Wars, let's go I'm gonna move to Japan to start a campaign we can trade mother 3 for advanced Yeah, yeah, we care about that game over here. That's I saw your video though. I'm dressed all thinking Oh, well, yeah, once you hear is that it's not even he's definitely gonna think that they're not doing anything It's not Well Well, you know, I hope it somehow hits a million. I just hope it's number three and it's number three in the UK So I mean, there's something I don't know what that means It hit number one in the US too Did it? Yeah, on the e-shot. I Like primary master was also there for what like three weeks. We don't know how much that sold That's definitely probably broken a million but it varies. I mean, it just it just depends They don't ever actually say but the fact that it's number one is good because that gives it publicity because people do look at the See what's on the most so well if it cracked a mill It'll be in one of their financial reports later this year So, you know, it'll be a million seller update if it happens to do that if it does it though Then we know it didn't crack a mill and that might not spell good news for a potential new game But who knows? Yeah, they might not even expected to hit it to hit a million Happy with like half a million Yeah, yeah, kind of dropping right before tears of the kingdom and they got they got a indie They got an indie dev to do that game too. So I mean Might not have been very high Even half a mill maybe they were probably hoping who knows Anyways I mean, hey, if they're only hoping half a mill I'm pretty confident it probably came close to that because then we could get another advanced Wars game A new one that would be really cool. Even if they get way forward or someone else to make it All right, let's get to our first topic. It's probably I mean to say it's the biggest topic at least of today. Sure The the future redeem DLC yesterday is a pretty big topic as well for this week But let's get to our first topic and that is the tears of the kingdom previews have arrived today. They're everywhere So, you know We don't have to go over everything that was shown because there was obviously quite a bit shown It was two different demos one was a 20-minute demo Up in the supposed starting area and then what was a 50-minute demo on the ground that also It's a world that I want to go to the sky and do some sort of quest up there So I have a few things to go over here first off What was our favorite new thing that we've learned about the game from these previews? I Hard to pick one thing. That's the problem. It's just kind of mind-boggling. I feel like we're still trying to sit through But you know what I'll just put something out there I think to me what's most exciting is that we're seeing that the Amount that we can do between ultra hand and views is kind of seemingly limitless and Like now like what I was joking around about building a giant sky city or like an actual life-size rocket ship That might be possible Which is crazy. You might be able to go to the moon We'll see man the theory key has life. We'll see Seeing what the different things did Being like attached to arrows and things like that like the sapphire You know who would have thought to shoot a sapphire with an arrow and then have it do ice damage That's pretty cool the the lightning damage from the from the other other stones and things like that It's just cool to see the the different Effects that some of the things attached the arrows had I also like that the effect when you use the the gems is Bigger when you're using like the chew jellies I mean you saw a number of people kept killing themselves because they weren't prepared for how big the AOE damage was when they were firing the Which actually makes sense because it's a lot more, you know rare quote-unquote expensive. It's bigger Yeah, like for sure. Yeah, I want to double-check, but I I could be wrong on this but I want to say that if you read the descriptions for the gems in Breath of the Wild they made some reference to elemental typing or I couldn't be confusing it with another game I'm not sure. I have someone in the chat can confirm that be great. Yeah, someone in the chat probably can Yeah, I don't have the game open right now because I thought I don't know if I've ever even read the description of the Gems, I don't really care. I just know their names and I have to hand them in I feel like I'm probably wrong So just pretend say anything I Mean if there was a that's cool sort of some foreshadowing that maybe they might have had this idea before but they just you know When it went in a different direction Oh, I mean I can go next I suppose It's one of the weird thing I just confirmed Oh, what a precious gem mine from large or deposit found throughout higher up high rule rubies contain the power of fire and have That's that was an IGN description. So, you know, well, I mean Well, we're gonna be IGN alone today in the show Let's look so what would I would I it's one of these things that seems pseudo confirmed that Technically isn't confirmed but probably is confirmed and that's the dungeon thing a whole bunch of people brought up that They came upon a dungeon What do I think is a dungeon anyways and then Nintendo people are like, you can't go in there? Just know you're not going in there and it seems that they I think they said they found it in the sky One of them said so it's like that I think that's really cool because we technically haven't had it confirmed Even though Breath of the Wild did have four dungeons if you want to be technical so you could presume We were gonna get some sort of dungeon So that was sort of a cool confirmation that there is some sort of indoor dungeon Maybe potentially that Nintendo won't let them play But that was something they didn't really get to experience. We're just kind of assuming it's a dungeon I don't know if any of the Nintendo rest specifically told them it was a dungeon So to go off something that we actually do know is is a real thing. I just thought it was interesting You know What when they're when they're going up against that camp because they have a camp that they were able to go up Against one of their objectives before the tower just though watching all the coverage today as I was going through all the videos and stuff Watching the variety of ways Be seemingly even expanded beyond what we did in Breath of the Wild for how we can tackle that camp I thought was just really cool using all those four new abilities and completely different ways watching people just Come up with really clever ways in a limited demo session I can't I mean it just makes me it takes me back to the old Breath of the Wild days when You know that first couple months after release and even to this day People are finding new ways to do crazy things and abuse the abilities and they're already doing that with these abilities and Isn't even to the public yet when things are gonna get absolutely nuts So that that to me was actually pretty cool. Just the variety of combat and stuff you can do What blows my mind is that so we know we can't like directly interact with NPCs But when I heard about the the Korok where you can carry the backpack Even the ultra hand can't we can't Yeah, so so what's crazy about that what I realized and I brought up in my analysis earlier today But in the previous trail we saw that link was carrying a wagon with NPCs on the wagon But if you look that wagon has a green paste from Ultra hand suggesting that he built that wagon that those NPCs are writing So we can build structures at NPCs can ride we can control them Indirectly right the same way supposedly we can indirectly control a Korok by ultra handing a backpack So going back to my crazy idea. What if you can trick NPCs to be on a platform and take it to the sky? build a sky village I Yeah, look if we can start just moving random NPCs anywhere we want That's gonna be insane Stay there. They don't despawn. Yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't think we'll be able to Do that. I think that that was a specific mission Yeah, and if you try to put them on something that you're not gonna be able to put them on something They're gonna just kind of jump off of it. What are you doing? Yeah, you're probably right I agree with you, but it's just kind of like there's just seems like so much potential It's kind of exciting to think about what if somebody took you and put you in this put you on and I just Lifted you up into the sky when you didn't want it. There's no potential. Yeah, but we can also We can block corks of rocks, you know, like they probably don't like it, but we do it anyway When the tagline for this game is you can do what like you can do anything like I'll use your imagination When the marketing is along those lines I wouldn't be surprised if you could do some zany stuff like that at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if there are limitations in place like no, you can't just transport all the NPCs into the sky Yeah What's crazy though is in Breath of the Wild you were able to trick a lot of the overall bosses to cross large distances And they would accidentally fight other overall bosses, which is pretty cool. So I mean in this game It's not an accident. We just have an item that can make them fight each other Yeah, yeah Just follow you Oh look at the boss vocablin I'll just hit him with the mushroom you'll take care of all the rest All right Players is was there anything that like really stood out to you Everything I know that's cliche Like the whole thing just everything stood out because No matter what you want to say about breath of the watering There's no other game on the market like it's not even close No, no other game on the market like breath of the wild. There's some PC stuff You know, there's some you know stuff, but people compared it like what's this game? I'm like this looks like Minecraft man This seems sandbox like Minecraft like you can not like exactly plays like Minecraft But the creativity that you can have in there like all the different stuff and tools for you to just mess around Like they apparently at the previous there telling people try to break the game, you know Just do whatever you want, you know So when you do stuff like that at a preview most time developers like hey, no don't don't don't do there's certain We don't want things to break, you know, so they're just like whatever you want So that was what really impressed me was just the amount of variety because that's what breath of the mob was all about It was about just getting lost in a world man. You could be having the worst day But when you play breath of the world all that just So I feel like that's how this game is gonna be it's just man, you can get shot And you're like I gotta recover I'm in recovery. Give me that this album. We're good Nobody get shot, please nobody please Well, yeah, man, like it's just that that's what's exciting to be just variety just tons of variety It's been a while since I've played a really good sandbox ask a game Yeah And the fact that tears of the kingdom is taking this direction and building on breath of the wild in that way is Super exciting. I think you're absolutely right the Rockets though. You guys I think the Rockets are super cool Oh Limited they are but I also think you're gonna do so many crazy things with them But they're just like dope like you can hang on to them you can like fuse them you can put them on things Rocket arrow, maybe Yeah Something else because we're I feel like we're kind of like dancing on it It's just like you take a look at what they've done and it just feels like they thought about breath of the wilds mechanics They're like, okay, how can we just make this better? Like they weren't like let's like obviously they've done they've done it way worse fresh but like for example like the systems in place like how There's all these new items you get the zone items, right? Like it's a whole it's a separate subset of items and that gives you so many so much flexibility what you can do with the world and That's like a reward system and in order to get that those Those toys or tools you get the zone I charges which is more incentive to fight enemies Which been breath of the wild we were afraid to fight enemies But now we have more incentive to do so and we're not worried about breaking our weapons anymore because with fuse Every time we kill an enemy we get more options So they basically like made combat a lot more fun for a lot more people with the mechanics They put in place and it flows better into the overall gameplay loop Yeah, what about the the menus they improve that as well like the Even like the cooking menu that they showed where it's kind of like harvestella where there's like paintings of the dishes It looks it looks really nice and like underneath it. It tells you exactly what you need it It's very like quality of life Improved yeah, yeah, I love the recipes now Yes, you know, I'll say one thing that I liked that probably a lot of people might not like Is the confirmation that Koroks are returning in terms of the hidden Koroks? No, there was a bit of a negative reaction to that today. Yes. Yeah I mean, I loved it in breath of the wild But I found everyone it because they keep being excuse to like climb every mountain and Find that rock in the middle and lift it up and get that Korok seed and have it show on the map that I explored it Because in breath of the wild there's not really an indicator of like, oh, I've explored this place before you can forget very easily where you've been But if you find a Korok seed that little gold icon is right there. So oh, yeah, I went there before So it's it's not just a collectible. It's like a notification reminder So I actually like that it's there because of all the exploration that there's gonna be So I thought I thought that that was pretty cool and then you know Like Nintendo fan girl had a video Where she went over some of the fuse stuff and she fused like the TNT barrel to her shield And you know, you could do like kamikaze stuff like that. There's just a lot of stuff that you can do with the fuse There's a lot of potential there Yeah, yeah, you know, it's crazy though going back to you the Koroks seed thing like because I mean I understand why some of you are frustrated because it's like it feels very samey But it's not necessarily samey to your point like it's a fun thing that fills up the world and it helps kind of track our progress But what's cool about your point though is that now we have the coordinates We actually can track exactly where everything is in the map. So if you go online or if you get advice, oh, it's at 356 negative 2121 like you can track where Koroks seeds are now because of the coordinate system now Wrinkle, you know, I think the thing is gonna be exactly what does it do I think people were more upset. It's like you collect all of them. You get a big turn You get like nothing and like they're like, oh man, I gotta get this to expand my inventory Like what is the function? Is it the exact same function? Do we have to go to the Hetsu guy? It is inventory again, okay, so it's the okay, so but do you how do you who do you take your Core you just do it in the menu because if you just do it in the menu like let's just say there's a menu They say upgrade that would make it now quality I was I never confirmed if we do turn them into Hetsu Just all of the Koroks are wondering where he is and can you yeah, but but one thing that was confirmed now Was it's not just like a hide-and-seek like that? Korok with the backpack that's actually a quest. Yeah, and if you do it you get two Korok seeds I think I think I think the middle fangirl had that in her video. Oh, it's a quest. It's a quest Yeah, and you can get Korok seeds from it So it's so I guess there's Korok quests and then the the findable Korok, so it might be a little different But yeah, if they can mix it like 50 like 50 50 like 50 He's just random puzzles in the world and then 50% is like quests or like more in-depth stuff I think that would help with it too because I think it for a lot of people just felt kind of samey Flipping over seven, you know 150 rocks or you know and stuff like that like having more variety might make it feel better And I mean that that obviously the example of the quest is cool But it's I just hope that's not like far and few between like oh, yeah, ten of those quests in this Thousand I get the feeling it's more optimized this time. I think it's gonna be better for more people quality of life That's what it just needs a few quality of life, you know, I mean that's what it feels like a general they've done even even like As they showed on Nintendo life like you he wouldn't got the magic rod and his inventory was full You don't have to go to your inventory anymore to like find the weapon It just pops up right away and has all your weapons right there And you can instantly drop anyone to exchange it with the stats all all there But that is such a massive quality of life improved to not sit through the menu system I mean and even in and that's even saying now the menu systems massively improved Like it's so much better than it wasn't breath away. You're no longer mash in the right stick There's 17 pages to get to where you want to be Just in general everything that was sort of us minor annoyance that like people didn't complain a ton about like say the menu system in Breath of the Wild There wasn't a massive complaint, but it's one of those that everyone knows. It's a little annoying Everyone knows and they just had that fine attention to detail that makes you wonder. So what have they done with the bigger things? And that's a lot of that is still left to be answered people who had problems with the story or didn't like The way the shrines were handled or didn't like the dungeons all of that is stuff We still don't really know that much about And I think that's really cool because I think Nintendo is trying their best to keep most of that until At least the review embargo if not when the game comes out Yeah one one other thing they also showed was how the map works where there's two maps now There's a land map and there's a sky map and it'll transition I guess once you get high enough And maybe there's a third map we haven't seen for the only ground. Yeah, there could be an underground map for sure Tears of the kingdom and maybe not the tears you're thinking But but there's also that that's very cool There's like teleport. I forget what the exact name, but it's like teleportation medallions And you can place them on places So like if you mess up or if you fall and you didn't mean to you can instantly warp back To where you were. Um, it's just a nice quality of life thing because I'm sure like, you know if you fall you don't You know, it does take time to get back up. Um, if you if you want to redo something. So I thought that was a nice feature Yeah, yeah, there's There's just a lot that I really liked about what they showed. I mean I think one of my favorite lines because you know, one of the number one criticism for some people is that Oh, it's like breath of the wild because some of the combat feels the same We still the sneakest strike and we still have the flurry rush and zeltik, you know being a big Zell the guy's like, hey, you know, I'll admit when I first started It felt a little bit like breath of the wild by the time I'm done Nope hype confirmed. This is the point though. It's it's supposed to feel familiar, right? It's a sequel Uncharted 2 To I'm like, oh, this is like mass effect, but it's way better What's similar but then they I think people are Just so used to zelda games being so different From one entry to the next, you know what I mean? So people are like, oh, this looks like the same game It's like, yeah, that's that's kind of how sequels work and we're not used to direct sequels Very few in the series We had operative time Majora's mask and that's about it. You could make a case where like The past and like between worlds There's like You can do yeah, but or you can do like but typically like the mainline console games You don't have fans here in tracks You don't really have games that are direct sequels and look just like each other So it's something different that the zelda community is gonna have to accept for this game I think I'll link between their hands on it. I think they will accept it I think I'll leave between worlds is the only one to take place in the same world Yeah, I remember. Yeah, I mean there's like a Like the 15 million unit gap between breath of the wild like the next highest selling zelda game They would have been stupid It's probably 20 plus. Yeah Yeah, it's probably 20 But it would have been stupid to not like capitalize like people like this length. They like this zelda They like this world. So let's just build on it. Here's it would have been With that stuff like You have like the regular fans zelda fans that are core everybody loves the regular zelda games And then you just have people that like open world games No matter what anybody says open world games are just popular. They're just a barrier. Look at your fun Dude, which are sold 2 million on switch that game, you know that that trusty port. It's not bad It's not bad, but that sold 2 million. Actually at the time at the time It was 60 bucks. It was it was way more expensive and that sold 2 million on switch like open world games, you know And it had a sales bump after they added in the setting the pc setting so we could sharpen things and it's like How is that bumping sales? This is like basic setting. Okay, cool. You know what it for at the time It's not a bad port today. You know a little rough around the end. Skyrim skyrim sold I think I have a little bit of information here that What's that game the obsidian game um on the switch? Oh the one that ran my crap Um God, I forgot the name of anyway that's old like half a million other worlds. Yeah outer worlds that sold well for what it is Yeah, you know outer worlds there we go that game sold Actually fairly decent for for the quality of that port, you know that did good So I mean like people just like open world games man. So zelda open world It was like recipe for mega success. They'd be done not to Double down on that one more time at least and then maybe the next zelda game will be like a ocarina of time But like I don't know. I don't know if they're going to go away from this Like if this also sells 20 30 million copies like it's so far beyond anything zelda's ever done I mean, they're a business money talks So we've had this argument before I do you think the art style will change but let's let's not argue. Let's just agree No, I'm talking about just the open world Yeah, the gameplay wise I think so for sure But let me ask you guys this question right because I look at Tuesday the kingdom and I see what they're doing You mentioned like the minecraft elements earlier oj. Like it's kind of like I I get the sense that they looked at Breath of the Wild They saw this success and they're like, all right, let's do something So it still feels like Breath of the Wild but feels new at the same time Which is kind of what we're sort of seeing But the kind of gameplay we're looking at with all the customization options and the creativity that It sort of enables it feels like from a gameplay perspective It might hit an even larger audience in Breath of the Wild because not only is it open world It kind of hits that minecraft mindcraft too. So like do you guys think And I know there's a big argument on this Can chooses the kingdom not immediately But let's say, you know, they have like a switch to version or whatever over the next half decade or so approach Or surpass Breath of the Wild sales I don't know why this is a this is like a such a controversial thing Do people not look at big games on switch and what they do Look at Splatoon Splatoon 3 sold damn near the whole amount of Splatoon 2 Like 80% in like a short time more than 80% It's sold 10 million 10 10.13 as of December Splatoon 2 is I think at 12 12 million or 13 million one of those two Yeah, and then why I didn't like in 30 days I think a lot of it's the Zelda game shock because we've only ever had one Zelda game I don't I don't understand this logic with 100 and this game is gonna root This is the best. This is gonna have the best review since Animal Crossing This will be the best reviewed switch big first party game since Animal Crossing like that was in 90 That was the last time that there was a 90 on the switch like for first party standpoint Got a couple of close ones, but You know Legend of Zelda is mainstream Breath of the Wild was more mainstream and tears of the kingdom is going to just surpass that I mean, this is gonna be kids talking about it on the playground You're gonna be seeing videos online and look with this guy They look with this guy just like Breath of the Wild But now that it's even crazier and the possibilities are just even more out there It's just the success is following the exact pattern of Breath of the Wild But just has so much more potential because we've already seen What a game of the style can do and now when you've changed it up and switched it up and made it better I mean you could only go up from here. I mean the early previews look great Like you said, it's gonna be the most well reviewed first party Nintendo game on the switch since Animal Crossing That's a really great point because I'm a huge Animal Crossing fan And you know Since Animal Crossing This is going to be the game that I will have enjoyed the most out of all the games that I've played between 2020 and right now on the switch for sure. I mean it's It's success is going to be outmatched. Yeah, the so nintendo's financial peer So nintendo's like well update their financials in a couple weeks And it and it'll be official that Breath of the Wild hits 30 million Then Honestly, I think tears of the kingdom could hit 20 million in six months and I might be being conservative They could hit 20 million very very very fast. Um, it's Going to sell much much because obviously because tears because Breath of the Wild was a launch game So obviously the install base just wasn't there it built up a lot over these last six years Tears of the kingdom is already number one on basically every amazon site It's it's gonna launch huge. Um, the record right now for an exclusive on any platform is um Scarlet and violet pokemon which sold 10 million in three days Um, and We'll see how close they'll be But it's open world But it's open exactly Yeah, and so we'll see I mean how how close can canzel to get to 10 million in three days That's that's good. It's gonna be an interesting thing to see Yeah, I mean to your point like 20 million would probably be A disappointment just if you kind of compare it to like the pokemon and splatoon scenarios because they Caught very got that really close to their predecessor sales in a short amount of time. So even half a year Um tears of the kingdom can't even hit 20. I would say that's disappointing But I mean, I know you're being conservative, right? We'll see what happens. That's why I agree I I agree with on if if they don't hit 20 million if it takes six months to hit 20 million and Splatoon hit hit 10 million You should be able to blow up splatoon because splatoon is really japan focused like it's it had heavy sales in japan america was good too us was good as well, but it's the balance for zelda's much higher and zelda's rising in popularity in japan like Breath of the wild blew up the popularity like before it wasn't as popular the the highest selling debut sales for a zelda game is still ocarina of time You know that's still the highest one like in the first debut sales and that's like 350,000 Splatoon did two million almost two million in the first physical only in japan So the gap is closing now though because breath of the wild did I think 220 something thousand Which was pretty good considering it was a launch title for the switch So what is this one going to be at like is it going to be closer to 2 million or 1 point something million like that would be a huge leap For nintendo in terms of zelda popularity in japan, you know, so yeah, I would be I think it'd be a disappointment if it's not You know 20 million faster, you know if the if the amazon japan sales charts and the com g sales charts or anything to go by I mean it's tracking ahead of all of these games we're talking about I was just looking at the com g sales charts and the pre-orders were well ahead of breath of the wild eight weeks Before I mean Now what breath of the wild hit so the caveat with com g is obviously the only represent like one percent of the market or something But yeah, but but there is a historical precedent that it's a consistent one percent Meaning that you can times it by a thousand And that's that's what it's going to do opening. Um, and it was already this was like weeks ago It was already like 350 000 if you did that math Yeah, who knows what it's at now And it's been number one on the amazon us chart for like a couple months now In terms of the number one physical game like it's been a very consistent seller I mean, I don't think anyone's gonna think like it's gonna flop at launch. Um But yeah, I I think if it if it doesn't Significantly outsell breath of the wild immediately then that's I can't even imagine that happening But it would be a disappointment. It should especially like if it doesn't let's just say it is a disappointment Like long term it's going to be around for a while like it's so a long term It should just just do better because breath of the wild was Had to grow with the install base, you know, it was it was handicapped by the install base throughout all the years, you know I mean there was that one point in time where it was out selling. I mean literally people bought the game But didn't have a switch I mean it's crazy Yeah, I also feel kind of going back to the whole gameplay stuff like all the wacky customization options like that might Appeal more to to japan as well Like that might make it they might go get even more into into zelda with that with that with this kind of gameplay So I honestly think like the jrpg like kind of party mechanics will apply will appeal to japan too We haven't even really seen what's up with that. Yeah Um And it's like earlier, you know, uh oj over there made the comparisons like a minecraft style comparison Incredibly popular game in japan constantly in the top top crazy popular It was a like hitting on trying to hit on that sort of demographic would just be Minecraft is just my gosh that game There's a reason like every trending gaming video is minecraft Minecraft on switch sold three million units in japan physically It's probably to be xbox's most popular game in japan ever I mean, I have so much money for nothing for like I mean, I know they got to pay for maintained servers, but I mean, it's a full price. It's not like it's discounted to like Ten dollars there and it's like still it's like 20 30. It's no, it's like 20 40 box Yeah, I mean digital it's like five million plus just in japan on switch So it's just like a never-ending way. Imagine that was like your bank account and I was like every every week You just had that rolling into your bank account imagine That's like the one thing microsoft's not mad at the xbox division about right now is It's minecraft. I'm gonna minecraft. We're happy with that. Everything else. You guys got to figure That game's nuts, man. No, I was about to say something stupid now. I'm gonna say it anyway I'm gonna say never gonna say You do it. I think there's a chance we might be Still underestimating the potential of this game because like just talking about all the minecraft elements and everything Like what if like this game blows our expectations out of the water in terms of sales? And like what if it becomes something that rivals marikard sales Mario kart mario 41 Yeah, I mean Mario Kartik approaching It is a lot Did it officially at 50? I don't remember If nintendo bundles it You know in the future Yeah, and switch to like if they bundle it and if they push it and like they don't have Holiday bundles switch to would be yeah Holiday switch to or even like regular switch bundle like they do for 299 you because that's what mario kart gets five million sales Every single holiday that that they they sell five million switches in that bundle So it's been how many years now they've been doing that same crusty bundle for how many years now, you know I think it's the very first time. Yeah, so that how many millions is that that's like 10 20 That's a lot. It's like half the sales of it. It's like half the sales is to that bundle So if they do that then yeah, it'll absolutely yeah, but of course marikard multiplayer game So that you know, there is a never-ending game. That's true Animal crossing to me is a little bit more impressive than mario kart because animal crossing doesn't have any actual like Does the animal crossing switch come with the game? No, I don't have those I thought it had a bundle with Okay, yeah, because I have it but I haven't opened it So I didn't know if it came with it. Um, but anyway, yeah, like that has 40 million plus with No bundles. It was impressive. That one was 30 million in a year. Yeah, that was COVID COVID Obviously was a big help there, but man 30 million a year. I mean you're you're now you're talking grand theft auto numbers like that is You just don't do that like that doesn't happen. Especially do a single platform game But I don't really think any of us thought zelda would be nobody really felt zelda would be this popular Yeah, like 30 million like nobody thought the one to launch a bustle a while I was like, I think this might be the first zelda game to break 10 million. Yeah Yeah, I think the expectation was zelda was always critical acclaim Like we knew when we were getting a zelda it'd be 90 plus rated. It'd be amazing But no one thought like, you know, this is gonna be a monster seller down, you know I mean 10 million is big but And an exclusive hitting 30 million that that's like an echelon that not many games hit Yeah, you're talking like usually you're talking pokemon mario Like those are like the only ip's Yeah, even even mario doesn't really hit that. I mean like the last one that hit third. I mean It was one of the news to my brother news like on the we right like One of those but even even those don't hit 30 million, you know, I mean odyssey odyssey didn't hit 30 Like 26 now 26. Yeah I mean they I remember back when it wasn't breath of the wild It was just zelda we you and we didn't really have much and you and I were having a conversation about sales numbers We were looking at sales numbers for skyward sword in previous games and we were like, man If this game doesn't sell a lot of copies Like what's that gonna mean like, you know, because we didn't know at the time we had no idea and it just Glued all of our rumors. It's like the biggest team nintendo's ever put together. I'm like, okay So coming off of games that didn't sell very well. They're investing even more What happens if this flops right right? We were a little word that was before we got to play at eddy 3 2016 and then you just realized oh no, there's something this is not That was when we just got that one that one trailer with the horse in the guardian. That was it You know, we didn't have any re-examining that for two years three years. Oh forever for every little 2014 didn't see the game It's a 20. So two years. Oh, yeah, I remember This is going a little away from the conversation, but I feel like it's relevant enough When we were kind of predicting like how well switch would do And I feel like the optimists were getting scorned for saying. Oh, I think it might sell 50 million Those were the optimists I got crushed and called every name in the book when I said that it could sell 100 million Yeah, I remember I remember those days I mean, I saw people say it was going to sell less than we you a lot of people. Oh, yeah I was I'm like, I'm like, it's going to do 3ds numbers at least we're getting 75 mil. That was and they were No, no, no, I'm like it's a handheld guys. It's going to sell Like yeah, yeah, I remember people giving you some crap for that prime Yeah, oh my god Dude, everyone got crap back in those days if you were an optimist and I didn't even think that was an optimistic take I thought that was like a reasonable. Yeah Oh, yeah, there was a Wii U cycle. If you said something good about Nintendo, you got crucified Nintendo won't won't go out of business. Oh Well, Nintendo's doomed, you know, since It was it was okay bought by Microsoft It was it was okay for you know when people were being objective That's fine if you think hey, this is you know, obviously we you didn't do well Which we all we all said that we all said the same thing, you know But it was like the the only issue was like the 3ds. It was like it seemed like people wanted to ignore That system because it did half of what the The ds, right some people smartphones are taking over, you know Well, I think one of the key arguments and I don't remember making this myself Just to be like hey to give you guys some credit The 3ds I think was technically the lowest selling handheld from Nintendo as well It just so happens that Nintendo handhelds have sold so much at 75 million is low That's insane. It's like it's like talking about PlayStation like home console sales. Oh, man The ps3 only did like 82 million. That's low like what oh because all the other ones sold over 100 So it's like it's just relatively it's still a hell of a lot of systems So I always thought that this would do well. Yeah, the cruise dude Be impositive about anything Nintendo back then You're positive about Breath of the Wild after e3 people sort of let that go But are you positive that oh the switch itself is going to take off? No, no, no, no that hybrid handheld 2015 technology No, I ain't going anywhere Yeah, I mean I would say after the first year of switch it mostly went away because that was a really impressive first year Was a lot of high selling games. That was a good idea. They hit on like every demographic that first year Yeah, so like after that first year you really stopped hearing about how we how switch could be a failure And it was more like how much is switch going to sell now Yeah, I know I did not hardware dude the chip everyone was You know, I was looking at the specs and like this thing's garbage. It's a last gen console And it's gonna fail And if you if you disagreed with that at all if you said hey, I think I think this could do pretty well I mean you were just called every name in the book. Yeah I mean the fact matter is these things are extremely hard to predict Right, like they're paid analysts to get this wrong all the time I think really we just got to be open to ideas We're gonna get wrong some time You know Michael Pachter, perhaps? That's the last time you guys heard that name He's always around Yeah, he's still doing the Pachter factor. I think uh, oh, that's amazing with Shane. Yeah Man, that's the name I am I think I randomly had one of the Pachter factor suggested to me like last week I was like, oh, that's still exists. It's still a thing. Okay. Yeah, she has his uh He has his like his uh paid site thingy that he does Yeah, he tried to do something different than easy allies when game trailer stuff went down It didn't really work as well for him. I think he's still doing it though. I think he's doing it for a living Yeah, yeah, he's got it. I think it's supported most of my patreon. He's got a pretty strong patreon for it Yeah, yeah, because he's like, oh gee. He's like, uh, yeah Yeah, I No, no, no hate hate on Shane and no hate on Michael Pachter either Michael Just known for those who don't know because you're kids and you weren't around for like the last 25 years of game Michael Pachter said a lot of crazy things in the we and DS days Those errors were fun though. They were fun. They were super fun. They were super fun Those errors were fun like because like we were all just trying to figure out like can I do this? But no, I can't I don't have the equipment Still images and like recording audio on my cell phone when I first saw game trailer I was like, what the hell? I'm like, I think I can't do this. I can't do this Yeah, right easy allies is great though. I remember after the game trailers thing went down and easy allies Dude, I I'm not so much anymore But I used to listen to the easy allies podcast like religiously in the game reviews and that whole crew was just They're great. They're still they're still pretty good. Yeah, I mean they lost a A couple key members but um one retired brandon retired although brandon jones still does all their voice over work because The brand I love is like the voice that everyone loves from game trailers, man Like he's he'll be doing that until forever. What's the other guy's name? I feel so horrible. I can't remember which one The other one who left. Yeah. Yeah, pal bossman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the boss. The boss, dude. Yeah, they also lost that more Yeah, they lost that more. Yeah, that was more too Yeah, yeah, sad to see but I mean for what those guys did it's nice to look back on it and be like, you know That was that was an amazing project Yeah, I mean that like they're they're still kicking they're still doing their their own thing over there um I know I believe they did something on it on a podcast of where they mentioned that the coven years were a bit We're getting a bit rough for them Which makes sense everyone was cutting expenses back then so yeah, because they're they're a 100 patreon funded crew over there, so um That being said, yeah, you know the tears of the kingdom guys. It's it's I you know there's a question here. Is there anything that we're disappointed to find out? Like is there anything you guys were disappointed with at all? No, I mean, I know some people are disappointed that nintendo isn't revealing everything like the story and the characters and the Show me all the dungeons and bosses, please. You know what on may 12th. It's gonna feel real good to find that stuff. Um Yeah, I that that was and you know, I think people I think the consensus disappointment in that in that demo was the controls and Basically, you're given all the controls at once and it's kind of overwhelming for like an hour session Um, but that's not how it's gonna be when you play the game even brian altano said like you know what when you play the game It's not gonna be an issue. Um, so Honestly, no, I just want to get my hands on the game Yeah, a lot of people got really used to all the controls of the various mechanics by the end of their 50 minute demo And I think it's just they were dropped in the middle of the game guys 12 hearts Here's all the abilities figure it out Whereas when you play it normally it'll be introduced to you through the tutorial one ability at a time or one thing at a time so uh Cool that the only the only thing that was a bit a disappointing Maybe if I could if I could even come up with anything was a number of people mentioned the frame rate is still kind of like It's still chugged sometimes Talk I can't confirm or deny. I just saw it in like a chat, right? So I don't know but like some people are throwing out the idea that a bit might have not been a final build that was at the preview event Yeah, you always gotta keep that in mind. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, that's hard You know, that'd be the thing that I would say although I did watch a There was a general. I don't know if you guys got to see nintendo will report Yep, they actually put up like a frame rate exam thingy or a frame rate test and they said it was It was there was like a dip like when you shoot something and it explodes but outside of that It's uh pretty good. So I'm thinking that yeah, maybe like when there's like some explosions and stuff There'll be some dips, but I think that overall it's going to run better overall than breath of the wall by a good amount I don't even know what digital foundry has to say on that I was yeah those guys the the only time I saw it really chugged in any of the videos is when um, they were They were using one of those like bird planes and they were flying in the air fast and turning and looking and You know the map load like that huge map loading That was the only time I saw a little slowdown Yeah, yeah, so I think it's one of those things that You know depending on what you're doing the game It's it's probably something that might be there again assuming that uh, this was close to a final build they played Um, you know, it is what it is. Uh, obviously breath of the wild had some moments like that The the idea is that it it didn't really affect people's enjoyment of breath of the wild So I don't really feel like it's gonna overall hurt cheers of the kingdom here and who knows Whenever the next system What's going on in the background someone is that is that you Darren over there? Oh They're watching they're watching the they're watching the NBA game, aren't they? Sorry They're watching the box miami heat aren't they I close the door hard. What are they? What game are they watching though? I'm pretty they're probably watching the heat I'm technically sort of watching on a different screen here and trying not to react so Family is everything bro. Yeah, not the wrong with that man. Yeah, I I my My brother's dog passed away today, so I'm supposed to be spending time with him So awesome. Sorry to hear about that. Yeah, it's not awesome if the dog died, but awesome that you're gonna spend time with them Yeah, um Okay, cool. Well, I mean again frame-wise who knows maybe new hardware might be the solution someday to that Who knows? I think it's coming. Yeah, I would love if there's a 60 fps version of this game on the next hour That's coming But maybe they gave a skyward sword when they brought it over in 60. That's true. So I mean maybe I don't know We'll see Yeah, let's get to our next topic here Uh, I can't talk much about it because I haven't even beat the ZL way chronicles three yet But future redeemed came out uh yesterday How are we feeling about it though for the you three at the bottom that I know have played it? How are we feeling? I'm feeling pretty good I'd say about I mean I played it all night. Um So I mean I put And I played it all night today. I maybe I'm about like 10 hours now. Um, oh damn Let's go. Damn. Yeah Yeah, so I'm gonna but I know oj and probably is a Not as far. So I'm gonna keep it very very limited. Um It's it's a sequel to zeno blade one and two and the prequel to zeno blade three that you know, we we hoped it would be um, you know, they the battle system has been, you know, kind of tweaked a bit to To kind of mirror the realities of this game, you know, the music is amazing. Um, yeah I mean, honestly like if you've played future, um, if you've played future connected and if you've played torna Um, you know, both zeno blade one and two dlc's, you know, the quality experience that It blows future connected out of the water though. It blows Yeah, I mean honestly, it's it's really incredible. Um I'm still kind of annoyed that they didn't put out a physical addition for it. I would have bought it immediately. Um but yeah, overall it's You know, nintendo has had really great dlc this year. Um, you know between mario kart Splatoon is still coming fire emblem zeno blade. I'm sure zelda's gonna get dlc too. Um, You know, they've really hit, you know, a good note with like not not just throwaway dlc But quality dlc and this is quality dlc Yeah, I I totally agree. I only played 90 minutes. Um, but those 90 minutes like felt like gold to me. Um, It it was a dream like it's if it feels like a like it's gonna be a really good escape for me. Um leading up through release To the kingdom. I can't wait to play it. Um, it It's magic. Um, I do I am curious though. I do have to go some but I'm kind of curious like what do you guys think, you know, why? Um, nintendo decided not to go with a physical addition this time. Like, oh, I know exactly why What is that I can tell you the exact reasons why so when they were making torna And when they were doing that nintendo was very unsure about physical and digital back thing because remember they're planning torna In 2017 to 2018. So there's still it's the beginning. So they're thinking, okay Well, maybe the game doesn't sell as much. We can just sell this the smaller one So they're unsure about zeno blade chronicles too by the time that zeno blade chronicles three came out We're like, hey, we've got an ecosystem of people that download content all the time We're not worried about that we can make more money Just people just buying the expansion pass then actually putting out physical copies that are going to be limited anyway Because they're they're not going to be they're not going to be a bunch of them because torna was limited Torna was not it costed more than the expansion pass and it was what less content technically Well, what torna it was 40 dollars for torna physical if you bought it at launch it was 40 dollars and um, You got the expansion pass with it. But yeah, you pay 10 extra dollars for that physical copy of the game But by the time that zeno blade three came out they're like, hey people our ecosystem is set up We don't we don't need to do a physical copy of I really think that was like that was it Because nintendo never does physical dlc. I think they were thinking If zeno blade two doesn't do as well, we can just sell this to people You know and physical people can just buy that, you know, they weren't sure because no zeno blade game ever really Hit one million fast or anything like that. It always took a while the original zeno blade zeno blade x barely got there or didn't So, uh, they were just like, hey, maybe we'll do it. But by zeno blade three, they're like, ah, this game will do It's doing good. It's pre-ordering fine. Like we don't need to do it That makes sense that that's that's um almost positive. That's what it was Um, but to get to my impressions into but yes, I wish there was a physical. I would have bought it I would have bought it asap. I always buy my zeno blade games physical. I got torna, you know, it's it's great But uh, yeah in terms of I marry what you guys say stealth. I'm about four hours in It's it's great. It's really it feels good to play I think that somebody who even if you didn't play zeno blade three or even if you played it You could pick this one up and be like, yo, this one's might be like good for me because it's a smaller More compact they cut off the fat. You guys cut off the fat on your on your meat. I know I do I don't I don't like it. I rip the skin off the chicken. I cut off the fat Whatever I eat, you know, and that's kind of what these dlcs are They just rip off a lot of the stuff and it's smaller more compact great experience and it's way more organized They have enemy of pedias. They have locations. Everything's organized and to where you're not having to think, okay Well, have I explored everywhere? Have I got everything? Everything's super organized and it's just it's really good what they've done they've rehauled the uh, the The upgrading in the game you no longer have to switch classes to get skills Which is annoying after you get a number of heroes to build up the points and all that there's ways to do it faster But this one you just get affinity so the more you explore the more enemies you beat The more stuff you get you share a pool and you can all go into there and just level up your skills and set them It is Fantastic, I think combat wise and just mechanics wise and it's probably better than the main game But obviously overall content wise it's not going to be there But i'm thinking that it's going to because they've added so much stuff to this game So it feels like a sequel in some sense and also dlc But it's uh, it's it's fantastic. So if you've played zeno blade chronicles 3 beat it beat the game and pick this up because it's really really really good Yeah, I mean I would say between zeno blade chronicles 2 and torna there were pretty big changes in terms of like the combat and the way the game is set up um I would say Zeno blade 3 and future redeemed are very similar But redeemed tweaks some things Because they knew that I think model the stuff knew that they got it right was zeno blade 3 in terms of the combat It's just fun. Um, so it's really just more of that fun combat. Which is some tweaks. Um, so Yeah, it's just very very yeah I mean if you have that if you played zeno blade 3 it's just a no-brainer to to play this Because it just completes the story Yeah For me like what playing zeno blade 3 and future redeemed I mean I I do think you're right It feels like a little bit more polished. Um, I just kind of get the sense that they've kind of like mastered What they want to do with the zeno blade gameplay and I'm sure they're going to find a way to mix it up for them Whatever they do after this, but it just feels like the Perfect in terms like of gameplay and how it's all organized and put together Like this feels like the most polished Zeno blade game yet And it just feels super good. Um, I do got a head out But uh, yeah future redeemed like if you like rpg games You should first of all you should already be playing zeno blade and definitely check out future redeemed so far I feel like it feels like a really good Ending to what we're getting with the whole trinity processor and clouds and out of the storyline It's uh, it's it's a good ending to it for sure. Yeah All right, but uh, yeah, I'm gonna head out now. So thanks guys. It was fun. I'll see you So good night entries Have a good night Oh, and it plays good portable too Like I've been playing it on my OLED and I think it actually might play a little bit better portable Then it does dock in terms of how it looks and everything. I don't know about framerate at all I don't I'm not digital foundry, but uh, but yeah, it plays really good and it looks good Portable wise and just yeah, it just cuts off like, you know, all the hero stuff I mean just gets rid of that and just gets rid of all the class switching stuff It's just and that's the same as like you said stealth like with torna Torna got rid of a lot of the stuff that people did not like, you know And the community feature is way better in this game been torna That's on the they improve the community feed the community stuff in torna was annoying because you had to do that to get past Certain points this one. It's really just it's quick if you want to do it You can do it if you don't you don't have to this is the crazy thing with the zeno blade dlc Like torna appealed to me more than zeno blade 2 did and now it sounds like the more you guys talk about this This is starting to appeal to me more than zeno blade chronicles 3 day now from a story perspective Maybe obviously there's a lot deeper and tensor longer story to deal with here, but Dude a lot of the things that annoy me a little bit sound like they just yeah, we fixed it. We're good Yeah, they make it. I think that this game torna and also this one even like future connected those ones are better for people like, you know You got you got kids prime. You got your channel. You got a lot of stuff So these ones are just these ones are just better for people that have stuff to do too. Yeah That's really that's really Like I there was a time when I would be deep diving in all the systems and loving every moment of it But I'm like at that point. I'm like, can we streamline this a little bit more? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I feel you man. These games take me 200 hours to beat man, and it's so it's nice to be like, oh god I can beat this in like maybe 30 hours 40 hours. Let's go, you know, because I like torna the most that's like That's my favorite. Yeah, totally great. You don't blade one in torna Those are like both of my my favorites, you know before three I love three so much though because the story But uh, but yeah, man, I I feel you on that dude. Yeah, I mean it's kind of like the legend hero series Which is on switch now where there's There's it's on ps4 and switch and there's like Six plus games all interconnected story and it's it's it's a time commitment. It's too much. Yeah I tried to do legend heroes, man. It's too much And and you know, it's kind of the same time commitment. Um, you know, obviously You can play each game individually and you'll get enjoyment out of it But you know, you really get the impact if you play them all. Um, and it takes time I tried with legend heroes, but I just it's just there's just too much content this year, man Between fire emblem and and all the other stuff, you know, it was just too much Yeah, so yeah, I haven't even started engage it and I'm Yeah Yeah My my my hope is kind of like that maybe nintendo does sort of I mean people don't want to hear this I would like to have like a gap after bickering three. Okay. Maybe have nothing in august That's my fire emblem month. That would be great But uh people will be pretty mad about that they want something and they should definitely not hold bad games because i'm behind guys They don't need to cater to me But I gotta I gotta slip it in I love three houses and engage like so much better than like it looks so much more classic fire I'm a little like I love back in the day on gamecube and stuff. So I might do I want to Oh, I just it's been a rough start to the year gaming wise. So I'm just yeah I mean advanced wars just came out a week ago And I put a day into it And then and then zeno blade dlc came out and then zelda's two weeks The more advanced wars they announced the zeno blade dlc last week is dropping this week Weeks I mean I bought advanced wars to like support that because it's important, but When when I'm actually gonna deep dive into it. I have no clue Yeah, yeah, I put a little bit of time into advanced wars. Uh, nintendo got me a review copy So I'm gonna definitely stream it at some point this week, but uh, yeah zeno blade, man I Yeah, I'm probably I don't know This stuff we're gonna have a little break. We're gonna have well. No, we won't because we playing tears of the kingdom pretty much throughout From me, I'll be playing. Yeah, I mean, I'll be probably playing him a lot of the year. Yeah, the rest of the year I mean, it's gonna be It's gonna be comfort food. It's comfort food Like anytime you're feeling a little blue just play a little tears of the kingdom That's what breath of the wild was for me and I just had the same things going Bro, I got I got I got fired and I was like, well I may I might not have a house, but I have breath of the wild Where I go, you can kick me out of the house. Yeah, it's portable. It's portable I was like, I might not be able to pay my mortgage in the next four months But as long as I can go to a coffee shop and charge my switch. I'm good I was just like, well, man, I got breath of the wild. I've got to move back in with mommy Thankfully that thing going out, but no, thankfully I was a I saved I'm not I don't spend for realists and all that like I don't I don't so I had some saved up So I was able to get a different job and then do this, but yeah All worked out in the end. Yeah, it all worked out, but I legitimately didn't care because I was playing All right, so we have about 20 minutes left here. So I just want to quickly get to this third topic I don't know if we have a lot of thoughts on this because It was interesting the CMA Today blocked the Microsoft Activision Deal. That's not the end of it because there's an appeal process and all that But it's kind of interesting because for a while it seemed that the CMA might might have started to lean towards Microsoft But then the reasons they gave today Uh were something I guess a lot of people maybe weren't focused as much on And it had to do with streaming In Microsoft's counter argument today was like, hey, they just don't understand how this even works We signed you basically they signed a bunch of deals with a whole bunch of streaming companies to provide the call of duty to it Um, so I don't know. Do you guys have any thoughts on this? Like is this like it? Is this just done? I mean, I know it's not done done But this is a CMA really going to change their mind on an appeal because if they don't change their mind This thing's probably to over with anyways. I mean, I read the press release from xbox today the statement That was sent out and they seemed pretty optimistic For the appeal process. I mean, they sort of have to put on an If they did sound optimistic that I mean why even appeal? Right. So, you know, me personally as someone who Owns an xbox and plays call of duty. I thought, you know, I was really excited When this was announced, I was hoping that it wouldn't get blocked. I was kind of bummed out by the news today because The way activision has been handling Call of duty for a while now Has been a little lackluster that make a lot questionable decisions and they have a lot of business practices that today Came from years ago and don't really mesh with today's world of gaming, but I I do think that they have a chance in the appeal process You know, if what they're saying is true that hey, you know, these guys just really don't understand What's going on here with all the technology and the information I mean, they're they're gonna have to double down on Being the educators then and explaining. Hey, uh, you know, this isn't what you think it is We're trying to be fair. You know, let's go through this process again and reevaluate and I think I think there's a there's a You know, if this is a serious appeal process, there could be a good chance That uh, this decision gets overturned and the deal goes through and I hope it does because You know, I I see really good things happening from this. I mean they're um, they're promise and you know, they're objective to keep Games on multiple platforms and how they have committed to that. I think is great Uh, it was a really healthy thing to see because you know, automatically When this was announced, I was talking to a bunch of my friends. They're like, oh, I'll call duty He's going to go xbox exclusive. This is going to be horrible. Like no, dude. That's not what's happening I I just see good things coming from this because I think microsoft and xbox is a whole Where the launch of the series x onward has been doing a lot of great things, especially with game pass And being able to put activation games on game pass would be great Um, I know for a while there are rumors of game pass on switch that never happened But there was an agreement to put call of duty on nintendo consoles, which i'm not sure how that would work But i'm all for it and you know, if this deal doesn't go through that Could not happen. You know what I mean? So I really hope that this appeal process goes well and they can get this through Definitely. Well, yeah, the ten year deal with nintendo is contingent on the sale. So like right There's you know, activision blizzard might just not put anything on nintendo if it doesn't go through Right. Um, I think what's interesting And it's a perspective. I haven't seen talked about much today because You know, if you're on the internet, it's mostly sony people laughing at microsoft or microsoft people being like Oh, it ain't over nintendo people going who? Whatever. We didn't have it anyways. Um, I mean It's it's been an interesting thing to to dig into a little bit being that I do think that If it doesn't go through I think that there's been some things that have come out. Um I'm even just on social media from these companies, which is just really weird that they were talking So openly that there seems to be a strained relationship now between activision blizzard and sony And I wonder if the deal doesn't go through if If some of that could carry over as well into affecting things once the current deals So they have in place are over But I don't know like it's starting themselves may have screwed themselves out of uh, Call of duty. You're saying well, no, no, no, no They're not going to not release on the on their number one selling platform playstations. They're number one selling platform for call of duty They're not just going to like not go there. Activision blizzard likes money Uh, but like they might not sign a marketing exclusivity deal with them anymore Right like they might just go. Hey, we'll sign that with microsoft or hey, it's oh, we're not doing this anymore Well, microsoft is still writing us a fat check to put it on game pass and we're putting it on game pass either way Like they don't need to sell to put it on game pass They can just do that as a separate deal. So I I don't really know. Um I don't really play call of duty But there are other IPs of theirs that I do play that's involved in this That has been pretty much completely ignored because everything's focused on call of duty So i'm not really sure what to think for me personally It's always been about at the vision blizzard got busted for some pretty nasty stuff and um, I just want a management change and I don't know if microsoft's the right management change But I would I would love a day that bobby cotech is not running the show over there and I just Feel like if this doesn't go through or I mean that's he's not going anywhere. So no At least I don't think he is maybe if he gets indicted on something but Uh, I mean, I'm just tired of this whole situation They blocked it now. It's an appeal. So now it's like another year Another year just another whole I muted the whole cma Xbox sony act like I don't I don't care man. There's too many good games coming out I get it because like, you know, oh, you want to have it exclusive and stuff like that But I'll be honest. It doesn't matter even if it was Nintendo on the other side of this. I'd be like, I don't care. Like I want to play xeno blade I want to play, you know, whatever we're eating good at switch on Yeah, or I want to play whatever's coming out, you know, like maybe they're showing off mass effect or whatever this year Like I play xbox stuff or places like I just want to play some games. Like I'm not worried No, business is one thing man, but like this stuff is like we have no control over it They're gonna they're the ones that are arguing about it in court. So Yeah, like what what can we do? We can't really do anything. Yeah We don't buy activision blizzard or anything like that. We can buy video games We can affect that we can talk about it. We can get people's awareness on video games So it's one thing to talk about sales and stuff like that, but company corporate sales like this like Buying companies. It's just whatever. It'll be nice when there's a final resolution. We don't Yeah, that's kind of the thing I was like, can you just approve it because other people can we just get this over with that's what I was like Can we just deny it or can we just approve it just because this stuff it's turning people crazy, man FTC come and deny too. So we can stop talking about it because if both of you deny it's not going through Have you seen the the insanity online with this man? Like it's just people are going people are going nuts people are going Yeah, it's funny because it doesn't involve any of us players like it does, but it's not really up to us Like it. Yeah, it really is like I understand for Nintendo fans You might be a little bummed because just to have the variety like it's not maybe you might don't care about playing it But just knowing that hey, we might have like, you know a multiplayer military shooter that might be decent quality potentially On the system like I understand wanting that variety variety is great Um, like I would say if you're an rpg fan don't want to switch your missing way out But then that's starting to lean heavily towards the rpg side There are some weaknesses in in the library of switch for certain fans and that's totally fine I think this would help patch up one of those weaknesses, but Look if you're bummed about it, I mean you're probably playing Call of Duty somewhere else anyways I mean you guys see it in my videos all the time. I got a ps5 and xbox series sitting back here Like I'm going to play games or whatever they're at to me. It doesn't matter if it comes to switch but um I don't know it's one one tired of the vitriol man It it's that I just kind of learned here too. Apparently there's essentially never been a successful appeal in the uk on an antitrust decision So this is also going to be interesting on that too Trying to set a new precedent. Yeah So it's going to be Interesting to see if this comes through what I found interesting about Microsoft's response too and they said oh They just don't understand and I said and you think suddenly an appeal is going to make them understand I don't I don't yeah, I don't I think it'll let them bring in more her um Oh good good What the hell word of my experts experts there you go. Thank you. Yeah, but they have to listen to the experts It's very true Yeah, there's gonna have to be some pretty serious education Coming from Microsoft and Activision on this if they have any hope of an appeal. Definitely. It's a big job I when I saw this news today, I was like that's it. It's over. Can we just stop and then my oh, we're gonna appeal Well, of course, you're gonna appeal but like is it news anymore that this feels like like a nail in the coffin so I think this is the last time this will be talked about on our show unless Look guys, we'll talk again when call of duty comes to switch or the next That'll be the news and the news won't be the sale the news will be hey look I announced a new call of duty game per Nintendo pretty cool. I I totally get like Xbox, you know fans feel like they've been taking a lot of L's lately, right? So this just another To them feels like another L Especially after some of that red fall news wasn't yeah the red fall stuff But listen, I'm not trying to be mean here, but Microsoft only has themselves to blame They had perfect dark. That was literally call of duty before call of duty. What the hell did they do to perfect dark? And here's the war too They they ruined perfect dark was literally called did you notice that game sold on on m64 with a 32 30 million install base They had it. It was good. It was good. Perfect dark and then before awesome zero killed the franchise And did they had a good thing going going with halo and bungee and then they just somehow didn't lock that down Why did they lock down bungee all this time? You had this awesome thing going you should have locked down bungee early. You could have had they have banjo They messed up banjo a banjo nuts and bolts. They messed up They messed up conquered worse conquer. They they have all these franchises They wouldn't even need microsoft or they wouldn't even need color or activision if they just took care of business They have killer instinct. They have to pair their own franchises Yeah I think something else lately like they they bought Bethesda, right? And like the first big game coming out from that merger is redfall and it's like Oh, but now like there's all this negativity attached to it. Now you're just like, well, maybe starfield will be the one Okay, and then what happens at that isn't what you want. Like we gotta wait another five years for the Elder Scrolls Yeah, I mean, I'm an xbox observer. I have a playstation. I have a switch. I have no intention of ever getting an xbox um But I follow enough where I could see they've mismanaged pretty much all of their studios. Um, except for for uh, forza, which is great And uh mojo or no the minecraft. Yeah, but again, it's anything there's like that that was running good before I know but they but they've released other minecraft games The dumb legends actually had a really good Oh, they built out the minecraft ip pretty well But I think maybe it's because their hands off and they say you guys are good your money makers do what you want Hold up. But isn't that kind of like, okay, let's just say all of a sudden they're like, hey, go coach prime Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant Shaquille O'Neal The team's already set. The squad's already set. Yeah, the honest is on there Yeah, you gotta do is do nothing you gave them money now do nothing. Oh, here's a triangle go run an offense All right. I'll go zen, you know, like let's go But I mean it's it's like all the games in the studios they had during like the 360 era Just not there or not performing And it's like, I mean we're like two three years into xbox series and the first party lineup is horrendous Um for how long that's been out in my opinion as Someone who could buy it, but really I mean, I don't see why um It's anything you would have bought it if there was Banjo if there was dope banjo conquer perfect dark killer instinct. I mean these were rare replay got me back And that's because of the old games Million selling franchises on small install bases like compared to what we have today and the game sales These franchises were huge and they're now pretty much Nothing Nothing and I'm on record saying things like hey game pass is the greatest deal in gaming Cool, but are we going to get some exclusives like when when is that actually happening? We're like halo, and then what what's happened since it nothing Xbox podcasts are saying the same thing we're saying right now, but even going harder. So it's not like we're hating Like they're going in like you know, it's been over a year for that. Like that's that's rough So I can't remember the last time we waited a year for one exclusive game Like rush, but oh And that was pretty good. I mean I played that was actually pretty good But I mean I would say switches six year has been better than any year xbox has had or xbox series has had um, which is just bad You know Fire Emblem Zelda Half the year is already better than any year. I mean maybe some people's 2021 2021 was I mean they had Sometimes it's unfair to compare like because nintendo's output is so insane on switch Yeah, it's it's it's not it's not fair because you got a factor in that microsoft is you know third party stuff You know nintendo's kind of like, well, we got third party, but whatever I mean they bought enough studios. They should have first party stuff It just hasn't come out yet That that's true is just but I mean they've got perfect Helping they've got fable coming. By the way, that's another Francis. They messed up. They messed up fable Like and I love fable Yeah I'm hoping that that a reimagine fable might be the way because like the guy behind fable was also really kind of over promising And under under delivery Where was the fable on the xbox one That apparently was rumored it's it's kind of an indian kind of game with a really good style But yeah, apparently like that went through development hell and nobody knows what that's going to be and then scale bound like Yeah, they messed up that the game looked insane and all of a sudden no, we're just we're we're done we're done funding that game I don't know man. It's it's rough because it's like all of it I see xbox. We this deal has to go through. It's like we need those it's like But y'all got a bunch of other stuff that I mean I get it Like you can autopilot activism was it a little bit more because they've got Diablo. Sure They've got, you know, call of duty. These are It's got a consistent revenue train. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They got overwatch I mean and that's what microsoft's missing because they bought all these studios And the thing is people forget all these studios were bought like within the last five years and AAA gaming takes five six seven years to make a game So like it's going to take a long time For you're going to start seeing some of the games this year in the following year in the following year, but Like that you got to have the patients once they bought the studios We see a couple like psycho knots too came without that. I don't know being phenomenal But that was like one two three years ago now like it's 2021 2021. Yeah two years ago. Like it's too much time. Yeah I just Whatever, you know what? I xbox Any here's hoping things are okay There's whispers in trouble and paradise that microsoft is not happy with the xbox branch right now That's Phil Spencer's problem. By the way, not ours Um, so I will what does that the what does that see what happens with this deal? Whether it goes through or doesn't go through it's not going to affect the nintendo people too much outside of We were supposed to get call of duty. Uh, we'll see maybe we somehow still get call of duty on the next system, but um At least it got nintendo and at division talking. So I mean that If you want to look at it for a positive nintendo and at division have talked at some point during all this so that's Maybe that's a positive news for future games, but uh Oh, well, that's really all I can say at this point is oh well It's just a bunch of corporate businesses yelling at each other and the government's involved. So Recipe for disaster You went there We all he doesn't matter by the way he doesn't matter who's there, but we all hate the Oh No lie was told You're like screw this man. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that they love the government. So As soon as you start paying taxes, you're like, oh, I screwed this man. Yeah Oh boy, all right. Um, so that's gonna do it for this week's episode of the nintendo prime podcast Uh, we're gonna go around the room first I want to make sure we shout out andres we started was here earlier You guys go check out his channel. He does excellent discussion in theory videos I know he's got several more big things coming all the way to the leaders of the kingdom Plus more man. He's he's got a lot of content popping off over there He's got xenoblade content metroid content and so much more So go make sure you go check him out. We have a link down in the description to his channel Uh, let's see uh stealth 40k want to tell people where they can find you and uh What you like to chitchat about Sure, um, they can find me on twitter at stealth 40k. Um, you know, I talk about really just Japanese gaming news in general Yep, he sure he sure does That's like, yep. That's that's that that sounds about right here at the description. Yeah You know, just don't come to me about Japanese sales. I don't even know what's releasing in japan anymore Uh player essence, uh, what do you got coming up? Where can they find you? Yeah, just find me right here on youtube player essence Just doing zelda doing rpg stuff on the channel and i live stream. So yeah, if you like all that, um, i'm there Yeah, yeah, yeah, am I thinking you're you still on small cast every week? I haven't watched that in a while Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I do spawncast. So if you saturday night if you want to stop by there on Saturday night Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Cool. Uh, darin I mean What does there to say about you? There's nothing to say about me, man. I'm on this podcast and I'm on twitter at real darin. That's about it All right um And eric, I mean you can just pretty much find him here every single wednesday Uh, he's also on twitter at email 8790 links to everything is down in the description as always I do have one quick question for for lj. What did you think of the ai? um spawncast Oh, it was hilarious Since you were uh, yeah, part of it. He was part of it. Yeah, I wanted to kind of see what you thought of it I mean, I know we were laughing at it the one one podcast and so It was great. I've seen all of them. They're they're really funny. They're really funny. Perfect Okay, sorry. I just wanted to I just want to get your two cents on that one So those don't know where there is an ai version of the spawncast or someone That is what it is, you know the chat gpt ai stuff except and and like nail the voices some of the mannerisms and Even some of the wild conversations that happen sometimes especially when rgt's involved Oh, we get a used to get really wild with rgt back in the day. Yeah, it's good Um, it's it's a it's it's hilarious if you just type in like ai spawncast I think it pops up on youtube so You guys should go check out those episodes All right. Well, thank you guys so much for being here. You can find the nintendo prime podcast everywhere podcasts are heard We the audio version usually goes up within a day or two And of the video version if you ever listen to the audio and you want to catch the live show It happens wednesdays at apm central right on the nintendo prime youtube channel We'll be back again same time next week talking I mean at this point probably zelda and then I don't know what the other topics are yet So we'll get there. I'm sure something will happen. Something will probably happen Hopefully something good. Catch you guys later later