 Whilst I wait for Jo, it's still five minutes, she's not later or anything. This is the second time me and her are doing this interview. We did it yesterday on the Thursday, that's on the Wednesday, and her internet was not great. What would be quite funny is that it gets to four o'clock and she just doesn't turn up and she's like now bailed. Oh, just as I say that, admit. Hey! Right, second time's the charm, I think is what they say. I'm, I really, really hope that this one works. Same, because that would be a darn shame. I've got to promote that Venus Flynn. Right, so it says I need, I'm going to record this one too because, good idea, because I did it last time and it didn't fucking work. So it says I need to have your permission. Oh, I'm not seeing anything, this is in the chat. You should have permission. Let me check, let me, I can't edit. No, it's in picture. Oh, you're not in the picture. Oh, it's not loading. I hate everything. I hate my house. It's going well already. I told you, like I live in the woods and we just got like decent Wi-Fi, like literally just got decent Wi-Fi and it goes out half the time. So it's like you're like vernagling with like the modem. Yeah, like the Wi-Fi to work. Nothing works. Is there like, I don't know, it's as unprofessional as it sounds. Do you have like a camera you could just record yourself with physically? I got this, but I don't know if it's going to. Just try it. To be fair, your internet seems to be holding up so far, like you've not roboted yet. So that's, I hope it stays that way. But, you know, as soon as we say that, it's going to be... Yeah, fingers crossed. Oh yeah, check out this cool thing I can do. Oh, I mean, where did it go? Settings, this, boop. Wait, that's cool. Now that's promotion. I knew you could do like backgrounds, but like I've just never done it. I didn't know I could do it either until I just started playing with it. Thought that was quite funny. Right. We had a guy in our theater department just have like backgrounds like cats, like different cats, every class period. It was great. And that's what I'm seeing. Oh yeah. Okay. Your picture just came through as well. That's weird. Let's see. Lock meeting. No, high profile picture. Maybe that's something I had to do before I started. Okay. Let's fingers cross that. I'll just record my audio. Good idea. That'd be a very clever idea there, Joe. We had to do that with whenever Luke was interviewing me for something, we had to record my audio because it was just like the same thing. Oh yeah. It's like a couple of months ago he interviewed me for like a behind the scenes Venus thing. Yeah. And he's supposed to like interview Abby. And I think James as well. And he hasn't done that yet. So. All right. So we're just gonna. There we go. How much ragging on poor Luke will do this interview. He probably not a lot. He had to work last night. And I called him at like eight o'clock this morning because I was like, uh, what was it? Like he sent me like this cryptic message. And I was like, the fuck does this mean? And like, I, like, I called him as soon as I woke up at like eight o'clock. And he was like, what the fuck are you calling me so early? Like, I thought you were dead. So. So. Straight into these questions, I suppose. Hi Joe. Hi. Hi. That's a natural way of starting this interview. So very natural. So Venus Flint is what we're talking about today. Episode one as of recording this came out a week or so ago. But I want to know where did the idea come from? Well, I'd go digging for the picture, but I think I've seen it in the discord. It came out when I was about 16 years old. And it was just, I saw something in my Pinterest and I fell in love with the artwork with like the little, just everything about it was just something I wanted to do for a character. I know it's supposed to be River. Okay. I know, but. I'll just photoshop your face on it and it'll be fine. Yes. But I just kind of took it rain with it and we look up and it's two years later and no, four years later and it's a series now. Well, that was going to be my second question. How long have you been working on? Well, at least I've had this idea. Well, I mean, of course, I'm 20 now. I just turned 20 in May and I've had it since I was about 16 years old. So. A while. Yeah, a while. But I've never really thought about doing anything with it. It was mainly just like a little fun thing for me and Luke to kind of toy around with. And because we were dating at the time as well. And we've been dating a long time. I think we're about to reach our five year anniversary this October. So we're getting. All I want is stationary. That's literally all I want. I'm a specific stationary. Well, I write letters to like my friends. And I'm out on my old stationary kit that I've had for two years. And he's like, I'm going to get you an ink and quilt set and some stationary. And nice. He's like, will you send me letters if I give you this? Well, if we ever meet you for your birthday, I'll be sure to bring it to protractor or compass or something. Nice math set. Oh, I can't do math. I have to use a calculator like to just. Well, same here. But why would they invent the calculator for us not to use it? Doesn't make sense. That was me in math class where they were like, you can't use a calculator on this test. Well, I mean, I've been using the calculator for three months trying to learn this subject. I don't know how to do it without the calculator. Yeah, I'm glad school is behind me because. Nah, I got my seat. I got my passing grade. I'm done. I just checked my degree plan at the school I'm headed to. And I don't have to have a single math class and I'm pumped. That's a weird. Because I was like, if I have to go to this fucking liberal arts college and take a fucking math class, I'm going to quit school. He's like, no, I know you're here for theater and history and like we're a liberal arts college, but here's a math class. Yeah, no, you don't want that. God, no. Oh, well, some jobs have you have to do that as well. Like you can't get a job unless you have a passing grade. It's rubbish. No, yeah. Oh, that's how it was at the junior college. I just left that if you had any grade lower than because I worked in the history department and. So if you didn't have a grade higher than like lower, if you had a grade lower than like a B, you couldn't work for this teacher. A B, yeah. Like this teacher, the teacher that I worked for, Mr. Offer was super like laid back. He was like my favorite teacher, but we also had Dr. Wade, who was the other history teacher and he was like very strict. And I graded papers for him one time and he was like, and they didn't do this, this, this, this is all bullshit. And I'm like, like, okay, so you're going to take a bunch of like high school kids because we had high school kids coming in and doing college classes at our college. We have a bunch of high school kids, most of which are sophomores who don't know how to write at a college level and you're grading them like they're like they're seniors in college. Right. And I just didn't do it. I think I gave the majority of them like hundreds. I was just doing the world of service. This is an eight page essay. I'm just happy you did it. And then of course I started teaching kind of on the side to make money. And that's what I've been doing for six months. No, it sounds really cool working in. I mean, I suppose both of us work in sort of the, I suppose the child care sector, but you were with a lot older and I'm with like three to four year olds. We run the gamut. I work, I work from third grade to seniors in high school. As a British person, how old is third grade? Third grade is like nine. Oh, okay. Nine. No, I take the back eight, eight, nine, eight, nine. Yeah. Wait, seven, eight. Again, this is where the math comes back in. Okay. Wait, okay. So I was in third grade in, I don't fucking know. I can always tell like how old I was because I'm one year behind the year because I was born in 2001. Oh, cool. So that's how I can tell like how old I was on this year because I'm stupid like that. I have a system. Like Luke's is like, oh yeah, I was born in 2000. So I'm 21 this year and I'm like, am I 19 or am I 20? Hold on, what year is it? Have I had my birthday or is it still coming? What does that, where am I? Right, so back onto the Venus flint train. So you obviously have worked with quite a lot of people to get this project off the ground. So why don't we take some time to sort of go through some of those names? We'll start with, of course, the editor who is, or arsehole, hate him. Terrible person. He's going to watch this. He's going to feel so bad. I love you. You're funny. It makes me. I'm like, dude, you should have seen we were doing like, but we didn't try to talk recording yesterday. Yes, do tell about the lovely editor for Venus flint. Our lovely editor is my boyfriend telling you, I know like recording everything. I'm just telling you, I'm probably going to tell the discord. I just like don't want that out yet because of course I will cut this out. Just believe it. I'll just make it. I'll leave it up to interpretation. So Luke. So Luke playing my boyfriend, he has done an amazing job editing the series. He has also been rec. He also recommended pretty much the entire cast. I picked a few people like you, Jack. He sent me a video and I was like, if you can bring me Jack Reeves, I swear to God, I'll marry you on the spot. Yeah, I was just about six others. Thank you very much. We spoke. They were working out like they sounded. I remember this one dude. I don't even remember his name on their mouth like it's like reddit or something. And he had like a decent accent, but it was more like a mixture of nine and 11. Oh, that's a weird mix. And it was like the weirdest thing that I was like, okay, like like at one line he'd be like straight up nine and then he'd have like the perfect 11. And I was like, that is peculiar. Yeah. You know, and I just didn't want to like mess with that. Like have to like make him do like line by line by line by line. Yeah. And then one of our friends, I forgot who it was. I think Josh Greggs, I think Luke will probably correct me in the comments. Josh Greggs. Oh, I know Josh Greggs. Yeah. No, he, he recommended you. Oh, thank you. Your videos. And I was like, if you can get me Jack Reeves, I, I, the series will be made and made it. And like you just like agreed to, I was not expecting you to agree to it, honestly. I was just like, I was still auditioning people as you were waiting on your answer. Well, I was very close to it. No, it was dreadful project. Okay. No, we're, we're talking about the first script. Yes, it was because I have like a copy of like the original like before the edit. That everybody made and I was reading it. And I was like, my God, I sent this to people. I sent this to Simon Fisher Becker. What the extra growling? No, no, it was just like, if you thought this was a whiny brat before she was like nine times worse. Oh God. He was literally a fucking whiny kid. And I cut a lot of that out because I kind of wanted the audience to take her for what she was, which is an 18 year old kid who is not used to being told, no, who is, you know, starving for adventure. And that's why she does it. And then she's like being told, well, you can't do this and you're too young and yada, yada, yada. She's just like, well, fuck you. And that's kind of what I kind of want that to lead us into Arjuni and Vastra, Lauren Lee, and Abby Lee's, who have been nothing but amazing. They have delivered in so many, in more ways than one. I have just, I knew from the start that Abby and Lauren were going to get the job done because they've been in so many other things. And Luke recommended those two as well. And I was more skeptical, not because I didn't want them on the project, but do I want this rejection? Do I want someone to tell me no? And like I said yesterday, the first answer was no. And Luke finally explained it the way it's supposed to be explained. And they were kind of more on board with it at that point. And that's when we got the whole read through and got everybody, got the edits in, fixed the script, made it to where Venus is in a white rat for 40 minutes. And which that's pretty much what the script is. But, and sorry I blanked. It is early for me. So you just had a little flashback there. Yes, just like reading the script. Like the script pages are just slowly... You're just seeing me first draft like, oh God. I'm going to burn that. I'm going to burn it and post it on YouTube. I swear. I'll watch that. I will. I will print the first draft out and burn it and post it on YouTube because I hate it. So we've mentioned Luke who edited it and recommended a lot of the cast, myself, Abby and, you know, the Jennies and the Vastras. So who else in the cast? Who else you got? Matt. I don't know. Matt plays Stratx. I love Matt. Matt is amazing. I don't know what it is about Matt, but every time I talk to him, I feel like... I know he's a dad, but I feel like he's dead. He brings dad energy. He has dad energy. So you kind of feel like kind of relaxed around him so you can go to him with things. I'm not one of those people that asked for help. So I'm the last person that will ask you for help. I would rather a project crash and burn before I ask for help than ask for help because... I don't know. But Matt just makes it to where I feel like I'm not being judged in a world where you're constantly being judged, especially in the business that you and I are in. Everyone's a critic, as they say. Yeah, for real. And I don't know, Matt just doesn't seem very judgmental at all. And I love him to death. And he plays an awesome Stratx. And I always got lots of love from everybody who's watched the first episode so far. Because, I mean, honestly, when I heard his Stratx, I was like, hold on. So that turned on one of the pattern after getting like audio book episodes. And I was like, wait, hang on a minute, if I got the same guy. But no, like literally Matt just blew me away with the Stratx impression. I had literally had no idea who these people were when I first started this. And of course, I met everybody indirectly through Luke. And I was like, I'm going to get on this call and be a bitch. And nobody's going to like me. Well, the first time I spoke to you was obviously the first read through because I was being a little bastard. And I was like, oh, I don't need to do like read throughs or rehearsals. Can I just send you my stuff? Don't need me. You don't need that. No, you can't. Yeah, I was a little bastard. But yeah, that was the first time I had met you. But that was also in the same call. And I will never forgive you where you had Simon Fisher Becker. And you didn't tell me. That is someone who has worked with the actual Matt Smith and Jacob Dudman, a renowned 11th Doctor impressionist. And then there's me. See, the plan was that we weren't going to tell any of the cast. Yeah, nice surprise. We weren't going to tell any of the cast. And then the first read through came on because we had to read the report that won your joint. And yeah, you got sick on that one, I think. That might have been either me being sick or me pretending. I won't lie to you. You didn't like answer any of our texts. We're like, hey, we're on the read through. Can you, you know, put the phone on? And he like didn't answer any of our texts. I was like blowing his phone up like his discord up. And I was like, okay, fine, whatever we'll do without him. And then like a lot of shit went wrong in that in that read through. I'm glad I missed it then. Didn't miss out on it. I almost quit. Like, I legit almost scrapped the project. Really? I almost quit. I was just like, you know what? If people are going to act like if this isn't going to work, the way it's going to work, if this isn't going to, if people aren't going to enjoy it, like if the cast doesn't enjoy it, you know, I nearly ruined everything. Like if the cast doesn't enjoy it, there's no point in putting it out there because you can obviously tell when a cast does not enjoy the script. That's true. That's true. And so we fixed those problems. It was a very easy fix. Everybody talked it out. Everybody's cool. And then you came on. We had to basically explain to everybody why we waited so long because we were one, introducing you and two, waiting on Simon Fisher Becker to get in there. And he never did because he got busy that day, which I can completely understand. And then of course he came in the second one and we were just waiting. And you came in and introduced you to everybody. And we started the read through and then Simon Fisher Becker just left. Oh, yeah. If we didn't have a power cut, he had a power cut. I heard somebody go, hey, dude's gone. And we're like, I went on the script. I went, what the fuck? So like I'm like looking through it and I'm like looking through it. I just see Simon Fisher Becker is gone. I'm like, oh, God, he hated the script so fucking much he left. And then he takes Luke and he was like, hey, we had a power cut. I'll try to join if I can. And I was like, at that point we're at like the end of the script. So it's not a big deal. And then we're like, okay, we're going to take 10. I'll give Simon time to get back in. And then I go up to get like a diet code for something. And I just hear Jack out just like at the end of my dorm room. So when were you going to tell me that Simon Fisher Becker was going to be here? I was so irrationally mad. Luckily I had my webcam off. I don't think I had a webcam at that point. So you guys couldn't see what I was doing. But I was genuinely when I joined it or when he joined, I was like, yeah, I muted myself. I'm like, Jen, it's got Dorian. That was a funny read through though. It was hilarious. It was so fucking funny. It was the battle of what the fuck is this? Do you remember that? I do because obviously I properly read the script up until that point. I had skimmed it or maybe I ignored it because I do that. And so I was getting through it. I was like, so we're going to go to the battle of what the fuck. And I was just because then I forgot who I was just losing their shit laughing. And I was class clown in that read through. We had to like teach you how to say it. Yeah, you're too like phonetically do it. Oh, that was fun. And then you like send us your lines and you got it right like the first time you said it. And then you went back and said it wrong the second time. Yeah, that's me. No, the only other thing. One other funny one I remember is the old fat blue line. So Dorian says it and it was my line directly afterwards. So I took the opportunity and went, Rick, are you offended by that? Like, were you offended by that? He's like, it was Matt's favorite line. It was, it was Matt's favorite. And we were like, what? He's just saying how to say it at times of time. I was like, man, just imagine like having Matt's misfavorite line in the script. That'd be so good. That'd be my imagine like being there and just Oh, that's Twitter. Okay. Sorry. Twitter just came through and I was like, who the fuck is this person? I understand. Twitter. Like, I just imagine Matt Smith like coming out of like the tortoise on set. He just hearing him say that line. Be like, do it again. And then just like he lies a whip. Do it again. I'm the star of the show. I'm allowed. Just imagine that. Like, I just, I feel like, I feel like if I ever got that big, I'd be someone like that. It's like, hey, I like your line. You're going to say it until I feel like I can't say it. Oh, hell yeah. Abuse the power. I'm getting, oh my God. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm just thinking about the reader. Oh, it's so good. We'll have to, we'll have to talk about that properly another time because it was quite an experience. Yeah. Before I move on to the next bit, the one bit, a member of the team that we didn't mention I want to is your resident composer. James York, the godsend that he is, is. I mean, he's done fabulous things, not your museum. He's done, I was in this episode, I can't remember the name. That's where I have ADHD. But like, he's done so many fabulous things. And I've just been honored to work with him and that he's, you know, doing the music and he did just such a fabulous job with the time that he was given to do the music. Yeah. It was short notice. I can say that. And I mean, I remember waking up that morning and, you know, asking Luke, I was like, okay, so is the edit finished? Because I know you worked on it last night. Well, I passed that couch. So, yeah, I passed out watching, I think it was American dad or something. That's one. But he was working on a script. And then, you know, we, you know, got with the bed. So the next morning he's in the kitchen, I walk out there. I'm like, so how's the edit coming? He's like, oh, I only have one scene left. And I'm like, you do realize today is the 20th, right? And he's like, yeah, yeah, no, I can get it done. And then like, you were in the whole discord, everybody was like, Oh, we were in the right. I was enjoying watching the chaos. I won't lie to you. I was straight up panicking. And, you know, then Matt got like upset. And then I was upset that Matt was upset. And then Luke got like really like withdrawn. Like we went to like go grocery shopping, like right after all that went down because we had time now. And we, we got in the car and he just was silent. If you know, Luke, he's never fucking silent. And I was like, babe, no one's really mad at you. Like everybody's just trying to figure out how to fix the problem because we have a problem that we need to fix. He's like, yeah, but it's my fault. And I'm like, I mean, yeah, but like I thought what was coming. Yeah, it's, it's all my fault. Yeah, but yeah, no, we, yeah, but sorry. Like I got a Facebook notification right as I said that. And I was like, really, you guys know I'm doing this today, right? And they do because I sent it in the group chat. I was like, no one messaged the group chat. Y'all messaged each other. Yeah, I closed everything else because I knew that was going to be. Facebook is closed on my computer. Facebook is closed. It's like still giving me notifications. Also Twitter, leave us alone. So that chaos basically ended with us getting the finished edit to James. And you know, he worked the whole day, finished it around one o'clock. And we probably could have kept our time. But at that point it was just like there's so much chaos going on. Luke was in a bad headspace. I was like, I'm not putting in through that. I don't want to jump on a call and people start like ragging on him, like even just like joking because he can take that personally. Yeah. And I was like, you know what, we'll just push it back. So that's when we had the whole fiasco when it wouldn't fucking upload. Yeah, on that note. So how'd the cast premiere go? Because we were having fun. You were having fun. I was getting ready to throw shit to a wall. Yeah, you were dressed as Donna Noble from Fires of Pompeii and having a rough old time from what I remember. I vaguely remember that I was panicking because it wasn't uploading. And then it was taking forever. And then we took Luke's laptop, drove to a Starbucks. A Starbucks Wi-Fi was shitty too. So we put it on my mobile hotspot and it was better than the fucking Starbucks Wi-Fi. And we got it to where it was uploading because we finally just like left the Starbucks. And we got to where it was uploading and then we moved it over to Luke's house. And finally finished uploading. I left my phone in there so I could, you know, he could keep it in range. I was doing my makeup and all of a sudden Luke just goes, have you not verified your account yet? And I walk in there. I'm like, that was your, you know, responsibility. You're the one who set this whole thing up. And he was like, no. And I was like, you set this up like literally two years ago. This was your job. And then we got like a whole argument. And then I was trying to fix it. And that finally just said, you just go get on the zoom. So like just go get on the zoom, get everybody ready. I'll fix it. Couldn't fix it. We just started a new upload and we had to share the screen, share our screen for the rest of the cast, which was kind of sucky because Luke speakers are terrible on his, on his computer. So luckily, I think he just used the computer's audio because it was good quality, I will say. Yeah. No, it's just his fucking speakers. Like we, like I was sitting there and I'm thinking, I cannot wait to get to the screen because it's just going to be like, because, and that's, it actually didn't sound too bad. But you know who did sound bad? Strack sounded bad on the speakers. It couldn't understand a single foot. If I did not write the script, I would have not known what the man was saying. Oh, that's a bugger. And I was like, Luke, you are so fucking lucky that they're saying it's good because. Yeah, I mean, it was fine. I wasn't so bad to fucking give math a shaft like that. I would have been old. In the normal audio, you can understand what he's saying, but fucking big speaker stuff. Yeah. That's because he blew it out because he was watching like the epic version of like the Doctor Who theme and it like the bass dropped and blew the speakers out. I think that's what happened. The epic version. I might know who made that. That's hilarious. If it is, if it's what I'm thinking of, that's hilarious. I don't know. It's been a while ago. I, it may not even be what he was listening to. He may have just poured water on him. Why not just directly on it? Like, there you go. Water in the plants. It's thirsty. It needs a drink. Did you ever do that as a kid? Like just pour water on random shit and say it was thirsty? Or was that just me? Um, quite possibly just you. I was a weird kid. Everything in my mind was like alive. Right. Like it was. You just putting your shoes on like, I'm sorry. Stepping on the floor. I'm sorry. I had like a bathtub like full of toys because I didn't want any of them to get jealous. That's adorable, but also weird. What? I was really weird. And then finally at like age 10, I grew out of it and only have like this one Fox stuffy that like I will never go anywhere without really a comfort item. And I actually like Foxy. So yeah, the cast premiere was great fun. Great. And then we all know what happened after that. Yeah, I remember sticking around until like 1 a.m. just to chat away. Yeah, you uh, I don't know how much I'm allowed to say. No, just just leave it up to their imagination. It's up to you. We had a drug fuelled rave that no. So two, two more questions to go. We're doing well. It hasn't robot it yet. That's good. This is good. So, uh, how would you rate your British accent out of 10? Don't okay. Yeah, four. Wow, really? Why so low? Because I feel like I could do it better. I feel more, um, like I know it's pretty decent, but I feel like especially when I'm recording, um, long scripts like I recorded Angel, I can kind of lose the pitch and I can lose the accent from time to time. I know that Abby brought this up one time that I say, I still say can't and not conch. You know, so yeah, that's what she said. But I, I write it low because I feel like I could probably get a little bit more training in and get it to where it sounds even more believable, um, because I mean, I've had people say it's believable, but I don't think I can go on a London street and make somebody think that I'm actually Yeah, I mean, I suppose it's a good thing that almost the entirety of the rest of the cast is British. So you just, you might be able to take it all in through osmosis. Yeah, I don't know. You guys like, if I were ever in a read-through and I am in, you know, my Venus voice and you guys, you know, think I said something wrong or, you know, like call me out if I slip out of the accent or if it's not believable, I will fix it. I will do everything in my power to fix it because I am very OCD like that. I'll keep that in mind. Just call me out like straight up just be like, you bitch. Venus, you bitch. Use the right accent. It's in there. That line is, if you listen very carefully, I'm not going to tell you where the, the I say Venus, you bitch is genuinely in the episode one. In the edit. They snuck that blooper in. And yeah, no. And it was because you were just, you were like, just rambling on the argument. And I was trying to keep up with you because I was also writing my side of the argument. As we did it separately as well. So you were just trying to do it to why it already prerecorded. Yeah. And mainly it was just Venus being a brat and just talking over him just because she can. It was Venus is loud. And so when I were, I heard that you bitch at the end of it, I was actually like recording just like improving what I was doing with like my phone. And I just stopped. But no, and I was thinking, should we just scrap the, I'll shove my bootline and move the slap to there because he just called her a bit. Because I don't know, I wanted him to put it, I wanted him to put it like, like in the part like where we're first seeing 11 for the first time, where there's like my whole like conversation. I was like, that'd be like the perfect place to like put it. It's just like just for us because no one else can hear it but for us to know it's there. Just in context like Venus, you bitch. That's our daughter. Yes. I was in my own head there. I'm sorry. I really hate your daughter. But but yeah, that line when I caught it, when I caught it because it took me three or four lessons to even catch it because Luke kept telling me it's in there. I'm not telling you where it is. I missed it at the premiere. I was really annoyed that I didn't hear it because you were like, could you hear it? Pause it like, Jack, did you hear it? I know Chelsea heard it. Yeah. Chelsea heard it. Chelsea sending me gifts. Go away Chelsea. Sorry, continue. Chelsea heard it. Ariana heard it but she knew it was there. She knew it was already in there because I told her. That helped. Of course, me and Luke knew and I think James knew as well. But I don't think he reacted to it. But we were and then you flipped me off at the slap scene. I did. Yeah. Because obviously the entire cast at the cast premiere was muted just so we could make sure we listened. And so when the slap happened, I was like, oh, that wasn't in the script. So I just did this. I flipped him off back. That's kind of fun bands you can expect with the Venus Flynn crew. I'm really hoping that I can record the next read through that we're all together. That'd be fun. And I may just bring you in because if you want to be in the read through, if you're not in the script or anything, you can just show up honestly. Yeah, might as well. I could read the stage directions. That's why Torchwood was there the last time. That's why Torchwood was there. That's true. I was confused. Well, that was awesome. I was just there to, like, we'll also just get to know the characters. Yeah. I'll just read the stage directions as Matt Smith's show. Scene one. Yes. Venus's bedroom. Luke, you're fired. You're getting the stage direction now. So last thing I want to mention. We brought it up the last time we tried to do this interview yesterday. And I mainly want to talk about it because it is it's something that happens and it's quite weird. So you being, and correct me if I'm wrong, a woman can get treated very strangely. You think so? Good, good. I think I might be. You're just quite possibly. People such as yourself get treated differently online to such as myself. And I just want to bring up the point of when you're talking to really anyone online, you just think about what you're saying because it's younger boys. I noticed especially just have a very creepy way of talking to women on the Internet. So is there any sort of thing you want to add to that? I mean, you said it perfectly. But I mean, we can't exclude and like not include everybody else in that too. Because I know it's not just women that are experiencing this kind of this type of behavior. But I do personally know people who have experienced some icky behavior from people. And it I think I told you this yesterday, the minute I was told about it, I flew off the handle through a fucking shit fit. Like I was pissed and because I am very protective over my friends, my cast, everything. I will not let anybody talk shit about my cast. Period. I am the first on the fence. I will fuck a bitch up for you guys. And so whenever I figured out that that was going on, I got rather upset. And I just became more wary of the group of people that do this kind of thing, which like you said is mainly younger guys, you know, younger kids who don't really see a problem with it. Yeah, they don't quite see it because they don't experience it necessarily. So they don't really see like that problem with it. Don't really think they're doing anything that bad. And then when like, especially on our end, we're just like, ew, like thanks for asking about my ass. But, you know, yeah, it's it's an odd some of the things I've heard. I'm not going to name names on either side, but some of the things that I've heard through a few mutuals, just the questions that can be asked are so direct and so inherently creepy that it's almost surprising that they themselves don't realize what they're doing half the time. And I think when they get to a certain age, they do realize that it's can be seen as creepy. I just don't think they care and or they think that if I am direct enough, I will get noticed. And I think that's more along the lines of what's happening at the older age groups, because when it's like the younger kids, they don't really know. They're just, you know, doing it and or they know and they don't care. And or they just no one raised them to respect other people and other people's bodies and privacy and that kind of thing. But I personally have not really experienced anything like that online. I mean, yeah, like that. Like I've had creepy dudes like come in and be like, like just comment on like shit that you don't need to be commenting on. Like I'm not going to go into details here, but I've never like it's not as bad as what some of the people that I know have experienced. Yeah, I think we're thinking of some of the same examples here. And I'm it makes me just furious whenever I see that. And I'm I consider myself lucky that I haven't had to experience that level of behavior. But I just like like you said, just watch what you say. Like it's yeah, we understand that as creators, we're putting ourselves out there. We are, you know, using our faces and our likeness. Um, just to, you know, TikTok, YouTube, anything like that. We are putting ourselves out there. We understand that that does not give you the right to sexualize us like that for anybody. I don't care if it's a man, woman, you know, non-binary. I don't care. It's you have no right, even if it's on the internet, even if it's out there to sexualize someone like that to their face. Because we're not doing it for your pleasure. We're not doing it for you to get off. We're doing it because we like to do, we're making the art we want to make. Yeah, I mean, we want to look good doing it. God damn it. Not for you, for me. I want to look good for me. It's just like I don't put on makeup because I feel like I need to look good for other people. I put on makeup because I like doing it. It relieves my anxiety. Well, I mean, like, I know I posted pictures in the Discord of me covered in stage dirt of me covered in so much blood, so much blood. And I remember this one time where I was literally covered head to toe in blood and I had to go to my theater. I remember this story, yes. Yeah. Oh, that was a day, but you can. So I like doing that kind of stuff. So don't sit there and think that it's for you or for anybody that we're dressed up. Yeah, because we can dress up and do whatever we want and look good while we're doing like making the art that we're making. But don't sexualize it. Yeah. No rule thirty fours of Venus went. Again, like this is something you mentioned. I think Luke was originally brought it up. But if I ever see that, like genuinely. Yeah, so that's one. If you want Venus to continue, no rule thirty fours, please. I will quit the project will be canceled. Yes, I will start on another project. Good. I have one in mind already. Exciting. Well, it's. Oh, it's not even who related. Oh, even more exciting. So yeah, it's it's based off one of my old lark characters back when I did that. Nerd. Shut up. I had a girl, one of my friends went to a doctor who lark one time and it was the funniest shit. She has pictures. It was like organized by like some high school. And the pictures were hysterical. We had they had like trash cans like made up to look like a dolly. And they look so fucking bad. And I was just like losing my shit. And I was like, I should have gone. I should have gone. And she's she told me that I miss much. Like, no one really did anything. Like it wasn't like it was she says it was like a comic-con in a lark. There's a comic-con without the like shops. Well, yeah. All right. Well, thank you for sitting down again. Venus Flint, episode one, an angel ghost of war is out now. It recently crossed 300 views, which is excellent. And keep an eye out for blood feud who who which will be premiering this October. Exciting stuff. Make sure you subscribe to that channel linked down below. And thank you again, Joe, for joining me. Of course, thank you for having me. And now I stop the recording.