 So, Sadhguru, shall we go into the Dhyanalingam? Yeah. Thank you. So, Sadhguru, this is the biggest bull-life I've ever seen. But I mean the… He's magnificent, he's aggressive, he's massive, and he looks ready for action, pointed straight into the Dhyanalingam, the temple. Tell me about him. This is Shiva's vehicle. He's automobile parked outside. Do you expect him to ride some mild scooter? He rides a mean machine. Right. Okay. Can I touch him? Yeah. What's he made of? I mean, I can see this is metal, it's steel. See, this is a very unique way of making this. This… each piece is not more than like six to nine inches. Small pieces all put together. Probably this is the only bull in a temple made like this. And inside it's filled with sesame seed, turmeric, vibhuti, the sacred ash, and certain types of oils and some sand, some certain type of soils inside. This will make the bull reverberate with a certain energy. When people come and they're with the bull, it radiates a certain field of energy. So, it's been prepared in a certain way, the whole concoction. This is taken in some twenty tons of material inside. It's… it's full inside. It's like a tank filled with these substances and it's sealed, it's forever. And if I walk around the bull, I should feel some kind of energy. You should. If I open myself to… Yes. If I open myself to bull, hey. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Okay. No, usually it's not the bull that is being referred to that way. It's only what the bull drops, okay? So, don't pick up the dung. Just the bull is good. And what… why a bull and why is the bull… I mean, I understand, so if it's Shiva's vehicle and Ghandalingam is about Shiva, so what? He's waiting for Shiva to come out and say what? It's… tell me more about that. He's not saying… he's not waiting for him to come out and say something. He's in waiting. Nandi… Nandi is a symbolism of eternal waiting, okay? Because waiting is considered as the greatest virtue in this culture. One who knows how to simply sit and wait is naturally meditative. He is not expecting Shiva will come out tomorrow, but he will wait forever. So that quality is the sense of receptivity. So Nandi is Shiva's closest accomplice because he is the essence of receptivity. So before you go into the temple, you must have the quality of the Nandi that you simply sit. You're not trying to go to heaven, you're not trying to get this or that. You go inside and simply sit. So just sitting here, he's telling you, when you go into the temple, don't do your fanciful things. Don't ask for this, that nonsense. Just go and sit like me. So that's the message he's giving you. And waiting in anticipation are two different things, I assume. He's not waiting in anticipation of anything, that's what I'm saying. Just waiting. He's not anticipating anything, he's not expecting anything, he's just waiting. That's meditation, just sitting. So that's his message for you, simply go inside and sit. Alert, not sleepy, alert and sitting. So you're saying, Sadhguru, that the bull is sitting in what we would call meditation. See, people have always under misunderstood meditation means some kind of an activity. No, it's a quality. So fundamental difference, because this is a meditative temple, this is not a temple of prayer. Prayer means you're trying to talk to God. You're trying to tell Him your woes, your expectations, whatever else. Meditation means you're willing to listen to God. You're just willing to listen to the existence, to the ultimate nature of creation. You have nothing to say, you simply listen. That is the quality of Nandi, he just sits. Alert, this is very important. He's alert, he's not sleepy, he's not sitting in a passive way. He's sitting very active, no expectation, no anticipation, no looking forward to anything, but full alertness, full life, but just sitting. That's meditation. Active, not passive, meditation, not expectation, nothing, just waiting and... Just waiting, not for anything in particular. Whatever is reality, if you just wait without doing your own thing, then existence will do its thing. So meditation essentially means you are not doing your own thing. The individual person is not doing his own thing, he's just there. So once you're simply there, the larger dimension of the existence, which is always in action, you become aware of it. And part of it? And of course, you're anyway a part of it, you become aware that you're a part of it. Even now you're a part of it. But becoming aware that I'm a part of it is meditativeness. So Nandi is the symbolism of that, he just sits sitting here reminding everybody, you must sit like me. So does Nandi have a female, former male and female both? No, no, no. He's... he's one of the Ganas, so he doesn't belong to male-female category. He's beyond that. Yes. So can we go inside the Dhyana Lingam? Yeah. So, Sadhguru, when we went to the Dhyana Lingam, here's what I've noticed, both at the course that I did with you, there was under Dhyana Lingam, the more people see you, even from a distance. There's a sudden outboring of love, complete outboring of love. So let's talk about love. This is one kind of a love. Is a... what happens? Is there something... is it a release? That could be one thing with the CU and their own stresses and emotional release. On the other hand, is there some kind of energy that you're transmitting to them? Is that energy possible only in a loving relationship, even between you and the people or between people themselves? What is that energy called love? And then let's relate it to man and woman, because that's a love most of us know, love or hate, whichever you like it. But let's talk about love or the energy that is love. There is no such thing as an energy that is love. Life is a certain energy. You are a certain life energy. The many parts of this life energy is finding expression as thought, as body, physical action, emotion and there are other dimensions of course, energy action. If you can perform only physical activity in your life, the span and the scope of that activity is very limited. Because you empower your physical activity with your mental activity, depending upon the keenness and the intensity of your mental activity, your physical activity takes on a different level of… as if it moves into a different dimension because the mental activity. If you make a movie, if it's all physical, it's one way. There is a certain intellect involved in it, it's another way. There's a certain emotion involved in it, it's another way, isn't it? So that's so with life also. So these are different levels of intensity. Physical is at one level of intensity, intellectual is another level of intensity, emotion is a different level of intensity. Generally people are looking down upon emotion as something less than intellect, which is a very wrong thing they're doing, which I think slowly people are realizing they're talking about emotional intelligence now. Because emotion is capable of being of a higher intensity than intellect in many ways. Intellect has a certain coolness, intellect has a certain penetration, but emotion can just embrace everything. Intellect can know pieces of life, emotion can know the wholeness of life. So this is the reason why spiritual traditions always have made devotion the biggest thing because a devotee looks like a fool to an intellectual person. But what a devotee knows in terms of life's experience, and what he knows in terms of perception of life, in its totality, an intellectual person will never touch. So a devotee looks like a fool, but the real fool is elsewhere. So right now what's happening here when people are around me is neither intellect nor emotion nor body. It's another dimension which is which is just pure reverberation of energy. If I reverberate in a certain way, some people will roll their eyeballs upward and simply sit there. Some people will cry, some people will laugh, some people feel that they realize so many things being there in that space. This is their expression of it. This is like if I give you electric connection, somebody makes light out of it, somebody makes sound out of it, somebody makes coolness out of it, somebody makes heat out of it. Different gadgets are making different things out of the same electricity. So my thing is just to exude that energy. Somebody makes love out of it, somebody makes alertness out of it, somebody makes awareness out of it, somebody makes meditativeness out of it. That's left to that individual depending upon his level of evolution and his receptivity. to how he is. So am I creating a love energy? There's no such thing as love energy. There's just life energy. There is only life energy. You can… love is just one expression of life. Intellect is another expression of life. Physical action, another expression of life. Awareness, another expression of life. So life can find million forms of expression but people energizing one over the other is a huge mistake. All of them are needed. Love without the needed awareness and balance is going to be horribly burdensome. Isn't it? So, you know these days it's become a fashion to talk like this. Love is the core of the universe. Love is a human emotion. It's got nothing to do with the universe. Love is the sweetness of your emotion. Let me put it this way. See if your physical body becomes pleasant, we call this health. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it pleasure. If your mental structure becomes pleasant, we call this peace. Becomes very pleasant, we call this joy. If your emotional structure becomes pleasant, we call this love. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it compassion or devotion. If your very energy becomes very pleasant, we call this bliss. If it becomes extremely pleasant, we call it ecstasy. This is all that's happening. So when I walk in, there are certain people who become ecstatic. There are some people who become loving. There are certain people who become aware and meditative. But it's their doing. It's their gadgetry is like that. All I am doing is exuding life energy with utmost intensity. In the space that you are in now, when you are with people, is it exuding out unintentionally now, it's just exuding out or do you give? Unintentionally a certain amount of it is happening unintentionally because of the nature of who you are. But when you are in certain situations, it's intentional. Because people come to you only because they can benefit from you. So if you don't offer that benefit, that's being callous to their needs. Okay. So the gesture you just did, tell me about this because everybody comes, I do that. Everybody else does that. Is that? Tell me about this gesture. Is it a more receptive gesture or is it just a cultural thing? See, there are many aspects to this. One thing is, neurologically today we know that there are lots of nerve endings in your palms. Actually your hands are speaking more than your tongue and your voice, actually. So there's a whole science of mudras in yoga. Just by holding your hand in different ways, you can make the whole system function in different ways. I think we have done the experiment with you, holding it this way, holding it that way. It makes you have already seen people sitting like this, sitting like this, these kind of mudras, those kind of mudras, because hand can do wonderful things to the system. So this is a certain mudra, you can say. This is known as namaste or namaskar. It is a certain mudra. The moment you place your hands together like this, your dualities are sort of your likes and dislikes, your dualities, your, you know, cravings and aversions, all these things are leveled out. There is a certain oneness to your expression of who you are. When you do this, the energies are in a certain level of it doesn't function diversely. It functions as one, that's one aspect. And the reason why you're doing this is when you see a person, this is the greeting in India is, see if I look at your body, I'm a like you, I'm a dislike you. If I look at your mind, again I'm a like you, dislike you. If I look at your emotional structure, I'm a like you, a dislike you. So when I meet a person, I do not want to get entangled with these likes and dislikes. I do not want to get entangled with that being. The only intention of meeting a human being is either you can enhance his life or he can enhance your life. Or both of us are enhancing each other's life. Otherwise the people need not meet. It's better they're alone. Is it it? Yes. In some way you can enhance another human being's life or you benefit another human being's from another human being's life, it's worth meeting. Otherwise it's better people are by themselves, they don't have to meet. And that's how the spiritual structures are. You're an ascetic, you don't want to meet anybody because you are into certain kind of things yourself. If you feel you can benefit by being with somebody or they can benefit by being with you, you allow this. Otherwise don't bother. You are not in compulsive need of company. Only those people who feel terribly alone or lonely when they're alone, they are in a compulsive need of company. So if you are feeling lonely when you're alone, it means you're in bad company. If you don't enjoy the company of this person obviously you're in bad company. So you're looking for a better company. Sadhguru, in terms of the love that we know most and most talked about and many many books are written about it and the largest discussed thing in this world is relationships. So let's just take one relationship that is causing more angst than anything else is a man, woman, love. Just talk tell me about the nature of that and why does it cause that much angst and is there a spiritual potential, spiritual dimension to the nature of a man, woman, love? We've talked about feminine, masculine, male, female. Is there something we can find in a marriage that takes it beyond the stresses and strains of an everyday practical marriage? See there is no such thing as man, dog, love, man, woman, love, man, mother, love, man, son, love, man, daughter, love. There is no such thing. Love is just a certain sweetness of emotion. How you're arriving at it is the only question, isn't it? The method. Now we were looking at this, we do this because when you see a person, if you see body, mind, emotion, this, that, you tend to like, dislike, get entangled, all these things. So first thing is when you meet a person, you identify his ultimate nature. There is a source of creation within him, that's why he's created. So the very source of creation within him, first you bow down to that. You're trying to establish a relationship with that because that's your aspiration with yourself also. You're repeatedly asking, who am I? So you're trying to find that answer everywhere. First thing if you see whether that experience is there or not, you're cultivating the direction towards that. When I see you, I can say hi, you said that I do this because first thing is you refer to the source of creation in the person, then maybe we'll interact on different levels. We like the intellect of the person, we talk to that. We like the emotion of the person, we hug them. If we, you know, if it's physical, it goes in a different direction, whatever. So the man-woman thing is a compulsive love affair. Nature is pushing you towards each other because nature is interested in only one thing, to perpetuating herself. If it somehow doesn't put a man-woman together, you and me wouldn't be here. So whether they love each other or not, that's not the question, they have to come together somehow, otherwise you and me wouldn't be born. So this is a compulsive need. This need is throwing people together to experience some sense of oneness. This is one love affair, chemically supported by nature. All the other love affairs are not chemically supported by nature, it is just yours. But this is one love affair which is chemically supported by nature. For most of these love affairs, unfortunately, once the chemistry runs out, they wonder why the hell are they together. So before the chemistry runs out, you are supposed to establish a different level of conscious love affair, which is beyond the chemistry. If that doesn't happen, it turns ugly. So what is that love affair? That is a conscious love affair. Let's talk about that. And let's take it further. Is there a potential spiritual dimension to it? I'm not saying there has to be. Is there a potential? But let's first say, when the chemistry, when the chemicals don't react anymore, what reacts? What is... what works? What makes it work? See, chemistry is of the body, okay? The bodily chemistry plays up certain things according to its needs. The moment the need is satisfied, you wonder why the hell are you here, okay? So that is a very different kind of thing. That is nature's trick. You are... like you are ten, eleven years of age, the world was everything fine with it. Suddenly your intelligence got hijacked by your hormones. Suddenly the whole world looks different, all of a sudden. So all that's happened is your intelligence got hijacked by the hormones. The chemistry has hijacked you. Very, very few individuals have the necessary awareness to look beyond that at life. Everybody else get flooded by this process. By the time they recover, usually it's too late. Not necessarily. So is it something wrong or right? There's nothing wrong or right, it's just limited, that's all. Is being limited a crime? No. But the nature of the human being is such, he suffers limitations. He doesn't like it. So what you're referring to as love is basic... basically the sweetness of your emotion. You sit here, you could feel love about somebody who is not even here. So it's got nothing to do with anybody. It is just the sweetness of your emotion. Now is your love affair, your ability to love, is it on self-start or is it on push-start? Do you have to push around to be loving or can you be just loving by yourself? That's a question. If you look at this carefully, naturally your innermost longing is to be free of every human being on the planet, to free of everything so that you can be just the way you want to be. But right now socially we have attached ourselves to all these things because we think that's the only way it works. That is the way it has worked for a lot of people because a lot of people are only have to be pushed, only then they... something happens to them. It is what to say a rudimentary technology. If your car has to be pushed every day, today we consider it a rudimentary technology, isn't it? Maybe fifty-six years ago a push-start car was quite okay. As long as it starts it was okay but not anymore. So once a human being becomes more and more aware of his own nature, he understands to experience love, to experience blissfulness, to experience ecstasy, even to experience orgasmic ways of life, you don't need anybody actually. If you just sit here you can make it happen within yourself because after all it's your body, it's your mind, it's your emotion, it's your chemistry and you are the one who is creating all the experiences of your life. Because people are not conscious of this that you are the maker of your life. You are the one who is doing your life the way you want it. Most people still believe that their experiences are being shaped by people and situations around them but that's not true. Human experiences are one hundred percent self-created, one hundred percent. So if it's self-created, right now if you sit here, would you choose to maintain sweetness of your mind, sweetness of your body, sweetness of your emotion, sweetness of your energy or would you like something bitter? Yeah, I'd prefer sweetness. So you would naturally be loving, it doesn't take anybody. So a relationship when you see a man and a woman you're talking about a relationship because there are other aspects to it. There may be a social angle to it, there may be a physical angle to it, there may be a psychological angle to it, there may be an economic angle to it, the variety of other things to fulfill in a relationship. We form relationships with variety of people in our lives. You have business relationships, you have personal relationships, you have professional relationships. So relationships we form basically to fulfill different types of needs or to fulfill somebody else's needs whichever way it is. That is a relationship but what you refer to as love is just the sweetness of your emotion. You can use another person to stimulate that within you or you can be self-on-self-start mechanism. But it's possible for two people together they've been through together beyond the chemistry or the chemical or the hormones to be self-start to be starters for each other and continue that relationship. I mean do you see value in that? Do you see value in people staying together for so long? In a marriage, beyond duty, beyond say okay we have children we have to do it together society. There is a certain beauty for true human beings to weave their lives as one. There is a certain sense of see if you have to really be with somebody you have to give up a part of yourself in some way. So the English expression falling in love is very significant. You can only fall into it. You can't stand in it, you can't land in it, you have to fall into it. Falling means some part of you has to go to accommodate another which is a good thing for a human being to do that he is doesn't think too much of himself one who thinks too much of himself cannot be in a love affair. Somewhere you have to surrender a part of yourself to be in a love affair. In that sense it's a very beautiful thing. But in this weaving as you called it is it possible for you to be with another person that becomes and I'm just guessing here that becomes the conduit towards your own self-realization. Is that a possibility? Could that be a basis of relationship? It is definitely a possibility but it's a risky possibility. You may just get entangled and lost in so many complexities of a relationship rather than finding the ultimate nature. I'm not saying it's not possible it's very much possible. So that is why in India when we got people married we tried what's called as Mangalsutra. Today it's just a thread a ritualistic thread but that's not how it originally started. There is a way of taking a strand of energy from you and your partner and tying it up in a certain way so that beyond your logic beyond your understanding beyond your psychological emotional and physical needs somewhere deep inside two beings are tied together two lives are tied together. So a lot of people cannot understand how these two people are together because nothing seems to be common in them but still they're like one because on another level they tied up. This can happen because of the physical proximity and the intimacy of the whole relationship but even before you start it we have a whole technology as to how to tie up two lives together. So we always said that this is a lifelong thing you cannot break it. If you break it you have to tear two lives apart because it was not just an arrangement it was a kind of a union. If you listen to all the mantras chanted in the weddings they're always talking about this how these two beings are being welded together okay. So anyway you come from Bollywood and there was a time thirty years ago twenty-five years ago every song was talking jhanam jhanam jhanam now they're talking expiry date. So the whole context of relationships have changed which is which I feel is sad because the profoundness of being with another being has been lost in this in the name of freedom in the name of choice actually you're becoming horribly compulsive it's all about yourself when it's all about yourself you will not know the beauty of life. So these marriages which were done in a certain way was never about you it was always about other person both the people if they think like this it's about the other person it's a beautiful place to be if only one person thinks like that it becomes exploitation if both the persons don't think like that it's just a compulsive relationship me trying to extract something from you you trying to extract something from me it's a conflict situation all the time. When we are through with our hormones nature has very little use for us nature likes to reproduce itself it likes all its components when we're done with the hormones and we're done with the chemicals why does nature give us the potential to still exist in this body if it's done with us if we've done what nature required us to do no reproduction is just only one requirement okay reproduction is not the whole of life it is only one requirement nature compulsively wants you to reproduce because it wants to perpetuate itself it is neither a good thing nor a bad thing it is just a certain necessity of nature see suppose the whole world turned ascetic then we would be forcing everybody to get married isn't it yeah I'm asking you this question with a very specific ideas because everybody today talks about and everybody's confused about what health really is because every the messages coming across are so different health and longevity other two things everybody talks around and sometimes I feel I feel when I look around myself that is what is your value a living beyond a certain age and but b living beyond a certain age is there something inherent to us that actually could keep us healthy or do we always need outside help from doctors and hospitals because if if if there was something inherent in us then maybe I would believe that nature has an intention to keep us alive nature didn't have an intention to keep you alive you would be dead even now you're alive not because of medicine that you're taking or the hospital consultation that you're having not because the health checkups because nature still intends that you should live the life process is capable of living that's why it's living not because of medicine it's living medicine can play around a little bit cannot create life as such see there are many ways to look at it I'm I'm trying to put in a very simplistic way no you don't have to I'm simplistic enough so don't worry because if there's no way to put in a simple way then say the way you want and I'll ask you the simplistic naive question again the thing is this very body that you carry was created from within isn't it you provided raw material from outside but the creation process happened from within so obviously the source of creation is within or the manufacturer of the body is within so if you have a repair job to do would you like to go to the manufacturer or to the local mechanic if you have access to the manufacturer that's the place you would like to go because a manufacturer knows much more about this machine than a local thinker isn't it but if you've lost access then you have to deal with the local thinker so to generate health trying to fix it from outside is a very effortful process if you keep access to the innermost core health will be a natural phenomena it's not something that you have to manage it's not at all something that you have to manage from outside it's a very wrong perception so the idea of spirituality being the staying in touch with your inner self and your relationship to all of existence naturally promotes health without you having to think about it is that true see today it is scientific knowledge common medical knowledge that every cell in the body is programmed for health naturally it is programmed for health if it is programmed for health why would it work against you see if you get an infection and infection means it's kind of an invasion from external organisms they need to be dealt with it's a war situation you need to put some do some chemical war on them and kill them and do whatever you have to do to recover from that situation that's a different thing but more than seventy percent of the ailments on this planet are chronic that means they're self-created they're created within your within your own body by your own system why would this system which has an immense desire to exist and survive would create ailment or something against itself somewhere some fundamentals have gone off isn't it so if you keep in touch with the innermost core which is the source of creation which is the manufacturer of the body which is the maker of this body health is not even something that you have to think of too much what i see is especially as societies get effluent health is a i don't know the way they're talking about health in the western societies it's like a full-time occupation day in and day out from morning to evening they're only talking about their health this is the major conversation everywhere isn't it and young 25 year olds 26 talking about in a competitive way i'm healthier than everybody else health is not something that you need to discuss or talk or aspire for if you keep the system in a certain way help it exudes by its own nature would you describe that way as a meditative way i would like to but i would avoid the word meditation because it's so badly abused word if i say meditation everybody has their own ideas of what may what is meditation so i would say if you if you as much as know what it means to simply sit here absolutely still everything still within you for two minutes in a day you would be perfectly healthy just two minutes man is ill only because he does not know how to be still and if i'm perfectly healthy then how does death come you must die healthy you must live healthy and you must die healthy so if i'm healthy how will i die health has got nothing to do with death death will happen when your life energies lose their vibrance they will lose their vibrance because right now they are vibrant in a certain way because of a certain software input this software traditionally we call this as prarabd prarabd means a certain dimension of your karmic information it has a certain amount of information latched on to your life energy so it keeps working in a certain way once this software has worked itself out or that much information which is allotted is worked itself out which is the prarabd karma then the energy start becoming feeble if the energies become feeble below a certain level they cannot hold on to the body they have to leave the body or if it becomes intense beyond a certain body it cannot hold on to the body so only in a certain frequency of intensity your life energies can hold on to the physical body otherwise they cannot stick to the body or the body is incapable of holding that intensity let's put it the other way around yeah it is just that an energy which is beyond a certain intensity refuses to be bound by a body an energy which is below a certain level of intensity is incapable of being housed in a body so if it becomes feeble it leaves that's called old age but most people don't die of old age they die because they broke the body in some way that's dying of ill health you might have broken the body by crashing your car or breaking up your heart I'll probably go because that either a broken heart or a rotten liver we don't know what but in some way you made the physical body inhospitable for life so life leaves see you're making a big distinction between the body and life is life is something else and that's something that everybody struggles with no you tell me did you accumulate this body yes I did I'll ask you again the same question whatever you accumulate can be yours cannot be you isn't it correct so I'm definitely making a distinction between what is you and what is your body because it's an accumulation I'm not disputing whether it's yours or not for now we will not dispute it a day will come and that'll also come to dispute isn't it so now that you mentioned it let me ask you another question because I travel a lot of the west and I have no answer and I find it a silly question so I'm going to ask you a silly question what happens to that energy once the body is gone is there individuality after the end of the body do I exist as I do I have a soul is there reincarnation or is it just my ego that is saying actually even when I let my body go there is an I that still exists but if that I then forms part of the larger universe then it has no identity it's a question and I can't answer it to people so would you answer it for me so I can tell people that I'm quite wise now I know what you will do with this so essentially you're saying you want to know what happens after death yeah I'm just like a more intellectual argument about it that's all but the fundamental question is that what I would say some things you know best only by experience okay are you ready you're not ready for the experience so you just want to know for entertainment maybe they make a movie on it or just to talk in the next party that you're in yeah it could buy you friends so humor me could buy you by your audience so humor me a little bit and let's talk about it okay right now you're looking at me if you close your eyes you cannot see me but you are still there isn't it so right now is it you who is looking at me or is it your eyes which are looking at me so it's you who is looking at me through the window of your eyes you're looking at me if you close the window yeah do you still exist I still exist so you are clearly saying you are much more than the body isn't it right but maybe that's my memory of you of what I saw no not what you whether you see my image or not that's not the point but you are there isn't I'm there yes so you are clearly saying I am much more than the body yes and you also know very clearly that this body you slowly accumulated yes or in other words what you call as my body is just a bit of loan that you have taken from other earth just a piece of the planet she's pretty generous no it's very generous she is pretty generous with the loan but when the time comes she wants to collect it atom by atom so what is being perceived as death right now is people who don't want to repay the loan you know these are all people who don't want to repay the loan all right okay like the transaction analysis of that most people who have taken loan unless there is a lot to compel them they wouldn't want to pay back the loan right it's a general social tendency in the world so you've taken a loan from the planet you don't want to pay back when the time to pay back comes they are all terrorized after all you're just paying back alone but why the terror is happening is simply because you took a loan and after some time you thought I am the loan quite a ridiculous situation actually okay see now I hold this pebble in my hand initially I say this is my pebble I'm not willing to give it to you after some time I start thinking this is me now when the time comes that's anyway this pebble is going to be taken from me I am being terrorized because I am being taken away you are not being taken away only the food that you gathered the piece of planet that you gathered in the form of this body the planet is asking it back if only you are aware this is only something I've accumulated not intellectually every moment if you are constantly aware that I am not this body this is just mine all right it's just a gathering I've accumulated this I'll use it and when it's necessary I'll drop it if this awareness was there all the time in your life death would be just change of clothes isn't it it's actually more simple than that so what happens after okay I paid back the loan the question is only willingly or unwillingly but whichever way the loan gets taken so when the body is confiscated if you're a yogi you will pay it back gracefully if you are an ignorant person they'll confiscate your properties because you're illegally holding it beyond a certain time they'll confiscate so what happens after your body as you know it physical body has to go to the earth because it belongs to the earth but there is a settler body which is like a scaffolding only because a subtle body is there as a scaffolding you can build this gross body you eat a banana it becomes body you eat a piece of bread it becomes body you eat a brinjal it becomes body because there is a settler scaffolding this body that you see the physical body is only gathering around the settler body so when this body falls the subtle body which is generally referred to as etheric body or whatever else is still on it still has some information but the important difference is when you had a physical body and a conscious mind you had a discriminatory capability so once the body falls down along with your thinking mind logical mind and a discriminatory aspect of the mind is fallen there is no more discrimination you only happen by tendencies so still there are certain tendencies why so much care in every culture particularly in this culture that at the moment of death if a man is dying no matter what your relationship with him you try to utter the god's name or you try to create the right kind of atmosphere for him even if he's your enemy you say Ram Nam Satya whatever you know whatever simple things have been thought to the people but something to create awareness and pleasantness around him because you want him to live well because at the moment of leaving in case he's in a certain mode whatever the mode is let's say he's in fear mode right now now once he loses the discriminatory mind now there's no control over the fear many times fear arises in your life because of your discriminatory mind you'll say that's okay but that it's not like this you'll reason and try to get out of it if there is no discriminatory mind it just no balls into paranoia paranoia not like as human living human beings know paranoia which grows into a million billion folds because there's complete absence of discriminatory mind but suppose you create pleasantness at that moment of death now this pleasantness also multiplies into a million fold over because there is no discriminatory mind a child is eating chocolate very sweet he has no discriminatory mind his discriminatory mind is not strong enough okay i've eaten two chocolates it's enough no he wants to eat two thousand whether it's sweetness or bitterness pleasantness or unpleasantness all of this can take on a big proportion if only there is no discriminatory mind so even when people are living very little of the discriminatory mind they're using mostly they're functioning by tendency which is unfortunate but once you've shed the body there is no other way you will only go by tendency unless you've reached a certain level of awareness where you can carry a certain dimension of awareness with you otherwise whatever is your quality will snowball into something very big if it snowballs into unpleasantness we say he's in hell if it snowballs into pleasantness we say he's in heaven so heaven and hell are not geographical places it is a state that somebody gets into because once the discriminatory mind is removed smallest pleasure can multiply into a heavenly proportion smallest unpleasantness can multiply into a hell-like situation because the discriminatory mind is absent and then reincarnation you want to come back now so if there is substantial amount of information still stored which is the karma the karmic substance is still strong then once suppose you left out of feebleness of energy that is you became old energies became feeble and it rested for some time so this kind of life energy just rests for some time without too much activity but suppose the energies did not become feeble but you broke the body by accident or suicide or somebody shot you in the head or you somebody broke your heart whichever way you broke the body and you left energies were still intense now this will take a long time for it to become feeble without the body and the mind if you had a regular body and the discriminatory mind let us say you would have worked out your karma in the next 10 years and made the energies feeble but now that you don't have a body these 10 years may telescope into a thousand years so this is the reason always they told you should never die of suicide you never should be murdered accidental death is bad because now your limbo situation is long very very long because you have no discriminatory mind we don't know which way you will roll and the chances of finding another womb are very little because you're in a certain level of intensity you cannot find so unless you come to the right level of intensity you are not suitable to take on a new body so if you died of old age energies became feeble you just everything is fine with your body you went to bed and you never woke up such a person may get back into another womb within 48 hours but a person who died by breaking his body either by accident or otherwise this person may take we don't know how long depending upon what level of intensity and how much of the information is still there unworked out we are going into areas which is which needs much more elaboration if it needs to be properly understood speaking just like this is not good that's why we always joke about it and skip we never talk about it because it will lead to all kinds of imaginations unhealthy imaginations lead me to believe in spirits and ghosts yes yes which is not needed because then people start to every dark corner they see they'll start seeing things and you can make horror movies and make money because a lot of people have wild imagination anyway or tendencies no they're all existing by tendencies not by conscious that is the whole difference when we talk spirituality we're essentially talking about moving from compulsiveness to consciousness functioning through tendencies to functioning through discriminatory process that is the key from bondage to freedom okay I understand why we need to change this topic because it can get very it is much more complex than we are talking about now and it's too simplistic the way I'm putting it right now yeah because then people will just say oh there is or there isn't it's not there is and there isn't at the same time but maybe I can ask you very okay this is also complex because a lot of what you said today and you talked about a duality you talked about the nature of Shiva being contradictory you talked about everything existing in contextualization or contradiction one little word on the nature of duality the nature of our duality the interview is the basis of duality because there are two there's a question there's an answer this is duality but actually there isn't only if you look at it on the surface this is true if you look deep enough there isn't two but if there wasn't two there would be no interview there would be no football game there would be no marriage there would be no nothing okay so the oneness of the existence is the basis but the play is always dual there's nothing wrong with duality as long as you know it's just a play so if I was to create a character in a film called universe the universe would say I'm one but if I have to play I have to be two yes and then but then essentially I'm one yes but I don't exist till I play and therefore I have to be two without one taking more power than the other because otherwise it would I would never get back to be one that's the whole problem the human mind is dualistic so if you say there is oneness and then there is dual immediately the human mind says so oneness is ultimate superior duality is a fallen state this is the whole adam and eve story okay this is a rudimentary logic which is splitting the world into two one last question Sadhguru and I will not say this interview ends because I will come back for more because they can't be an end to this interview you know there is no end and one last question because I know people will say well why didn't you ask him what stress and I say well because I don't understand I cannot define stress there's a lot of things that a lot of the questions people ask me and we will know that since I've been interviewing you they say but I know that we get addicted to keywords but is there a is there I mean what is is there a definition that we can assign to the idea of stress I must tell you this when I first went to United States a few years ago wherever I went everybody was talking about stress management I really couldn't understand this because in my understanding we manage things which are precious to us okay our business our family our money our wealth our children we manage all these things because these are all things precious to us why would anybody manage stress I couldn't get this when this word was thrown at me everywhere stress management stress management I said why manage stress it took me a while to understand these people have concluded that stress is a part of their life stress is not a part of your life stress is just your inability to manage your own system stress is not because of the nature of your work the prime minister is complaining of stress the chapprasi also complaining of stress in between every other person saying his job is stressful and unemployed are stressful they don't have anything to do that also they're stressful so you're suffering your job if I get you fired will you be joyful no no so stress is not about your job obviously isn't it it is just that you do not know how to manage your body how to manage your mind how to manage your emotions your energy your chemistry you do not know how to manage anything you are functioning by accident so everything is stressful you get into your car without a steering wheel or you get into your car if you turn this way it goes in the opposite direction you will be stressful isn't it so right now that's the kind of mechanism you're driving without understanding anything about it just by chance you're going blundering through life you will be stressful so stress is not because of the nature of the activity that you're performing not because of life situations stress is simply because you do not know how to manage your your own system what is stressful for you somebody is breezing through it isn't it so stress is not situational it is just an inability to manage the inner situation not the outer situation essentially the quality of our lives change and transform not because we change the content of our lives only because we've changed the context of our life someone is living a beautiful life does not mean he's doing something different when wakes up in the morning he also goes to the toilet he also brushes his teeth he also does the same things but somehow his life is magical and beautiful because of the context this could have happened to people when they fall in love with somebody they were doing the same thing suddenly they're in love with someone suddenly everything is different because the context of their life has changed but then once they fall out of it again the context of their life changes and it becomes miserable now changing the context is something which is voluntary which is just something that you can do willfully changing the content may not be possible as you will because to change the content of your life you need permission from the situations in which you exist isn't it but to change the context of life you don't need anybody's permission you it is not at all situational so on a certain day three men were working in one place another man another man came by and asked the fist man what are you doing here this man looked up and said can't you see I'm cutting stone are you blind this man moved on to the next man and asked what are you doing here that man looked up and said something something to fill my belly I come here and do whatever they asked me to do I just have to fill my belly that's all he went to the next man the third man and asked what are you doing here that man stood up in great joy and said I'm building a beautiful temple here all of them are doing the same thing but their experience of what they're doing is worlds apart every human being every moment of his life could be doing whatever he's doing in any one of these three contexts and that will determine the quality of his life not what he's actually doing how simple an activity you're doing or how complex an activity you're doing doesn't change the quality of your life with what context are you doing changes the quality of your life isn't it completely okay sir guru I hope this is just the beginning and I hope you give me the opportunity to come back with a lot more questions definitely thank you