 Hello everyone and welcome back to beta males the show where we play a bunch of beta games Let you know if they're worth playing and this time we played veiled experts Which is a third person 515 strategy shooter by nexon games take that how you will know a few people out there didn't Didn't like that nexon was attached to this particular project, but um, yeah, it was a fun game I think we all enjoyed it. I'm your host the man who's joining me not as always But for some reason he's been here every single time. It's jelly knees. How you don't jelly? I'm fantastic the goose Yeah, no, the electric has been super fun. I'm excited to talk about it and With us this week. We've got raven who's a different beta male than normal, but the new beta male That's me played a ton of the game. So it's good to have you here Raven. How are you doing? I'm doing well. Yeah, I played I think I almost hit 200 matches played I had I For already forget how many victories, but I ended up if you check the stats on the website ended up in the top 1,000 So that's pretty cool. Yeah, that was out of a lot of people to it. There's not like it the top 220,000 yeah, so I guess that's kind of impressive a lot of people play in this game So let's get right into it with the very first question of which is of course is this game worth it Was it worth picking up and playing it is the beta is closed now, but I don't know if they'll have another beta If they'll just go straight into the open release, but was it wasn't worth it wasn't this game worth playing Raven? What do you say? Yeah, I would say yes it is because I had no idea about this game And so one of my friends was like, oh, hey, did you look at failed experts you hear about that? I'm like, no, I've never heard of it. I just confused. I looked up a gameplay video I was like, oh, that kind of looks cool. I'll give it a shot played it And I initially was like, whoa, this is feels fairly polished and it was just it was nice It was different than you know, it felt like CS go where you kind of bought into the economy system and weapons and gear But then you also have like abilities and stuff So it made the characters feel unique and then it that in turn made a lot of strategy, which I really liked Yeah, that brings up an interesting point one of the On the post that I made about this game Brett Gray said that he feels like it's a it's like pub G CS go and valorant Had a baby and I think that's a pretty good Yeah, pretty good explanation of this game. So jelly. Do you think this one was worth it? I do absolutely. I think they've I mean we talked about it several times that There's more work into this game in its beta than we've seen from full release games a lot of times and that's saying something, right? So I think absolutely it's worth playing There's a lot of really cool mechanics in there It's that it's the hero shooter plus the third person plus. Yeah, the economy systems of like a CS go or valorant And so it's a lot of unique aspects coming together that I think are really really good and really well done Of course work to be done, but that's perpetual. So That's so far so good. I think and I think definitely people should try it when it comes back out again What about you man goose? Oh, yeah, um, I don't always Suggest the games that we played but I'll definitely suggest that people play this one. It was a great time Um, we actually learned about it through this show somebody commented on another episode of beta male That we should try out veiled experts. So that's how I found out about this game in particular And man, am I glad that we decided to play it? I just wish I would have known Earlier about the global beta and that it was going to close because I thought this was going to be an open beta for a while So it's it's kind of sad that it's uh That it's over with now because I I've really had a great time I'm not good at these types of games, but I still had a great time playing it There's so many people on my discord. They're just like I I don't know what to do now What play? All right I felt the same way all day today. I was just kind of like well, I could I could play something else But like I kind of want to play veiled experts like I mean, that's a great sign just coming off of a beta. Like oh my god. Let me play it again still So, I mean, we're obviously rare to talk about what we really liked about this game And I think in an odd twist We're actually probably going to spend more time talking about what we liked about the game than what we disliked about the game This time usually it goes You know you have a lot more to say about the things that you disliked about the game But there wasn't much that I really disliked about veiled experts. Um, we keep saying it was in beta So polished for a beta and so much information Just all the stats you could ever want There was a replay at the end of every match that was like a 2d replay that just showed Where people rotated on the map But that was incredibly useful to know how people were attacking and what what approaches they like to use And it just gave you new ideas for approaches just the amount of information available to you as the player was Great. I think what is probably one of the high points of this game that that really um It's a it's a clear distinction from other beta games that we've played. It's just Holy crap. I don't know how many headshots you hit your win percentage your kda How many times you played this here just anything you wanted to know the game let you know And not even just for you right it even did that on a global scale of every player It gave you like okay on the map derailed This is the most common planting area based on like hot they give you hot maps or heat maps of Where the most common areas for people to stand where where the plants where where the win percentages What guns were favoring what like maps were Attack sided versus defense side of they gave you so much information Just in a beta. I think that's absolutely huge. It's crazy to see too and it's all it's all in game It's right there. You just click one button and you're looking at all these stats It's fully fully fleshed out already and and yeah, like it's not on a third party website So it's all legit and you can look at that and it's just that's great to me I mean it shows you I don't know how long they've been in development prior to this but That's pretty huge instead of just having like a game. It's like all right guys. Give it a test Give it a play. No, you also have all these stats. You can look at based on all the games you played Yeah, it was amazing, um I think what I liked most about this game though was how dynamic the maps were Um, there was I there were parts of the map that were destructible Um, there were parts of the map that you could operate like you get on a lift and And raise up or you could push a garbage Truck forward and get a garbage truck. Yeah And ride on it and stuff There there was stuff that you could shoot to blow up and not even not even that but like sometimes the seed location it was the whole point of the game was bomb defusal or bomb setting and um, the seed location If you blew it up in certain areas it would change the map like the ship would list through the side Or on the um, the bridge map it would actually fall down one level of the bridge. So Yeah, the maps were incredibly dynamic. I think that was probably my favorite part about of this game Yeah, absolutely I think my favorite part was probably the guns and surprisingly when I first played it like my first Five or so games I was just throwing off completely like I the last shooter I was playing was valorant and even then like yeah, there's sort of like a Your recoil control you gotta do but also unveiled experts when you're swapping between third person shooting and first person shooting It's just it's completely different and all those guns like they were just they kicked so much And I go, okay, like I feel like that's a little too much or maybe there's going for like a super realistic kind of feel I've never shot a real gun in real life But like it it takes you that a little bit of effort and knowledge to be like, okay Well, I can't just spray at this guy from miles away Of course until you upgrade and you get the armory and the more attachments but Yeah, it's you have that and they've even like reduced the recoil on it in like one of their major patches for again beta So it shows you that they're looking at all the stuff and it's just it's incredible I like bang you said I really like the map situation about nine games in I got that survey And then it's asking me like what maps I played on it showed the eight and I go I've only put up four Three of them. I don't know what they're talking about until I actually saw in game and I go Oh my god Yeah, so you always have the a bomb site But if you detonate that that then changes the map for the rest of the match Regardless of what side you're on and then that other site can swap between like three other locations depending on what map Other than bridge. It's literally the one site on bridge And yeah and like the little small stuff like blowing up the other side of the bridge or On derailed on the the rain map you can blow up the sea site on the walls of the concrete walls and then boom Giant hole. It's not just like plywood. You're shooting down. It's like an entire structural piece That's cool. And yeah, like the agent thing. Although some of the agent abilities the signature ones felt extremely underwhelming Eat a corn dog you get two hp and maybe you get a lot Versus like let's gamble and like oh, I hit a thousand coins. Boom. It's just those little things they can look at Other than that extremely polished You know, I think we really mentioned this it's kind of a hero shooter too and that you have different agents that have different abilities They're not Overwhelming abilities like overwatch like it's not going to be like It's not a huge part of the way you play the game Like it's not like nuclear strike and takes half the map. Yeah, you you could win without using your abilities at all It's mainly about the gunplay. I'm sorry if we're interrupting you jelly. What were you about to say? You're good. I think a big thing for the guns as well It differs from like a CSGO or valorants is you don't lose them Right. So there's there's no which is really defeating right if you spend four thousand dollars on an operator in valorant And lose that round and die You're just out the four grand and have to buy a new gun and that always feels terrible Right whereas this they make the cost a little bit higher So you can't just buy those weapons willy-nilly But you can when you buy a weapon if you die or not you keep the weapon through the rest of the rounds The only thing that's lootable that you may lose are consumable items or ammo or things of that nature And I think that's a really cool way to do it Where there's still things that like you are so rewarded for killing players and taking their stuff But it's not as punishing for the player that died Which I think is absolutely massive That was a neat aspect of the game too being able to loot your enemies once they were down Or your allies you can loot your allies like if you were out of ammo And you had a dead buddy next to you you grab their ammo real quick and reload Oh, we didn't mention like the magnetic field where it's like a bad royale Where you have this field that lightly damages you you could sit in it for a while. It doesn't really kill you But uh that shrinks over that round and it can move to one side or it can move to the other Which again helps with like camping or you got a pressure on Yeah Yeah, it was an objective based game But a lot of times you would have those people that would try and just They would be the last person alive and trying their best to stay alive for like no reason whatsoever And that magnetic field was nice to have to Force them to push out so you could finally end the game even though Match time is only three minutes right for every time. Yeah each round. Yeah. Yeah each round was three minutes And so it was a quick-paced game Mm-hmm. Absolutely first the four best seven And I think that that's so if you there's four attack rounds And three defense rounds if you start on attack So there is an aspect of that like there is if you start on defense or start on attack There is slight variations in that and that you'll have four of one type and three of another But I think that that's still the way that maps are balanced It does fit and you can play accordingly to that once you know that that's what's happening also the the money itself feels a little Less strenuous compared to like counter strike or valiant because you get rewarded for losing multiple in a row Like two losses in a row you boom you get automatic another 2k to spend So like that round you're gonna have like 4.5 just to spend based on whatever else you in addition to whatever else you had before that too So it's kind of good like it gives a little bit of a comeback mechanic Um, I don't some people didn't like it. It didn't really bother me. Sometimes I'd be losing a lot I'd be like, oh cool. I got I can actually afford a gun now and fight back Well, the thing is it's still balanced because it's also giving if you're losing multiple rounds and getting 2k for that It also gives consecutive win bonuses to the other team. So it's really it's not like you're getting a ton more money than the other team It's just very slight advantages here and there as you go through And the other cool thing about this game, um, you had the the different categories that you could spend money on You could upgrade your equipment to get better stuff for your guns You could upgrade your armories and get better guns and you could upgrade tactics Which would which I thought was probably the best Category of them all but it would unlock unlock things like the ability to use more body armor or the juggernaut which Um, that that's that's a hot topic right there the hot top the juggernaut But yeah, it was pretty cool. So if you had like money left over or if you if you were a very team focused team You uh, you could spend that money accordingly We kind of found that like you wanted to upgrade to equipment level one first So that everybody had extended mags on their pistols and then go to tactics three so that everybody had Um three slots of body armor and it was just oh man. It was just really cool It was um, it was very frustrating though when you had somebody on your team that just didn't spend their money They're hoarded their money. Yeah, you're like god damn it just We're 75 coins away from tactics three Somebody on our team has three thousand Yep Yeah, you could see everyone the collective pool On the team. So you're like, all right. Well, we still have 3k left over who's got it. Yeah But yeah, that that was another strategic part of this game was was economy Um, a lot of our strategy revolved around funneling money into jelly so that he could buy A juggernaut as early as possible. Usually are about round three And uh, that would give give us a huge advantage in the game That means I did not expect that shit on round three Did you guys play when before juggernaut got nerfed? No, no, okay. So I played when juggernaut four got nerfed and I actually didn't play the day after because I was so actually knew it was right before they nerfed it So that night I was playing and I'm like, okay people already have juggernauts like round three or like round two I'm like, what's going on sometimes they had two juggernauts But you would shoot this thing and shoot it and shoot it and shoot it and shoot it and shoot it and it wouldn't go down It was it was like a raid boss. I mean it had it was a complete bolt sponge And everyone's like, I there I even said to like I try to get my buddy into it and he's like, okay Yeah, I'm done like this is stupid like I don't want to play this game anymore I'm like, yeah, I'm not having fun anymore. And then the next day they're like, all right Well, uh, we reduced the re-increase the damage it takes by 50% And uh, we reduced the movement speed a little bit I'm like, oh, okay. And then like, yeah, now it's been manageable to deal with people still cry about it though I you know, all you gotta do is melee it twice if you're that close to it You catch around a court you go pop up and juggernauts who's gone Sniper shots to the head arrows to the head will take the anti-material rounds. Yeah, like it's it's manageable I don't know why people are like and then you get to people like, oh my god You had to use the juggernaut to win blah blah blah I just I thought I mean we'll get into this when we talk about what we didn't like about it I thought the juggernaut was just unnecessary. I didn't think it was a necessary component to the fun of the game overall but That was my complaint about the juggernaut. I didn't think it was necessary for the game to be fun I don't know why it's like there, but Anyway, there's yeah, go ahead. The game is in a really good place Right there there are definitely I can think of one glaring issue that has to be addressed before it can Be fully released But for the most part I came out of games still enjoying the game even on a loss Right that I was even a hard we get four out and it's like yeah Well, I mean sometimes you just get outplayed like it's just one of those things um And so I think they really solid game that even makes you feel like playing another even when you lose And I think that's a huge huge thing to have in your game Yeah, I felt it was so addicting. It's like like a counter strike like a valor and you get that built up I mean other than counter strike you lose your weapon or valorant But you know, you can look at it as a mob I guess too where you know you start off weak sort of and then you're kind of built up But like it goes fairly fast into like round two round three or if you use those like special Perks where like gives you a free weapon on round two round three whatever it is Uh, you save a little money, uh, then you could pull that into the team But uh, yeah, I guess overall I think it's got a great base I mean you just I can't be too much longer than this now until it gets released And I think the leptin idea that they're like unique every character can go in with two or three unique like skills that they get to choose out of a pool of skills And they each have varying costs and you can have up to five points Used so they cost either one point two points or three points So you can mix and match accordingly as long as you have nothing more than five points total And I think a lot of them were very Well designed in terms of their point cost to what I gave you right So you can get a light machine gun for three points on round four for round three, right? So you're spending you're spending a lot to get it was actually four for the lmg um But so it's a lot of that super balanced That the only one that I think should be removed is getting a free juggernaut around seven I realize it's really niche to get to round seven, right? I would say very less than five percent of our games that we played mangos We actually went to full seven rounds Most of the time it was round six was that the absolute latest for someone to get their fourth win But when you got to round seven and you had three juggernauts on one team That just got oppressive and you're like, what am I gonna do about this? Like they just suppressing fire all the way across And that's just weird because I thought about doing that like my five stack I was like, let's just like shits and giggles. Let's like all run that perk and then try to get to round seven We didn't do it, but like You could do that and then I never saw that happen either But you know that was a strat The first time that we went against a juggernaut it was against two juggernauts And so we're like you can buy multiple juggernauts like that's Amazing and then we went to went to go do it the next game And kind of you can only get one and so everyone's like wait, what's going on? How did they get two juggernauts on the same? So it just is a matter of having that perk sometimes and being on round seven Um, I wish they had more perks I think a lot of them are kind of like meh in terms of I'm sure it'll get there what they do But that's a balanced thing and that's easier to fix than The other things so the core gameplay loop is just absolutely great honestly Something I think that is both a pro and a con is how much you can do in the game because it gets a little confusing at times, but Like you've got three different ways of aiming you can just hit fire You can ads where it just kind of hone in or you can full ads where it turns into a first person shooting You can peek around corners and you can do that in either a version of the ads You can parkour over all kinds of stuff crouch run walk If you crouch and then hold control you can like hear harder and a lot of buttons surprise There's a lot of buttons going on Like you got throwables and then you got the ways to change your throwable and it's armor band aids Yeah, there's a lot going on in the game, which I think is both a good and a bad thing I like that it's there and allows for a lot of skill expression But I don't have the skill to express so it just confused me and got me stuck in the menus quite a few times What I didn't mean to Oh in melee you had another button where you could pull your melee I mean you got your your your unique ability, which was oddly set to mouse wheel But I rebound that with a quickness weird. Yeah I wouldn't really bother me. I used it. Oh really? Yeah, that's just like a flick down. I know myself. I know that I would flick down on my mouse by accident I will say though like Very cool to see in their discord like that one dev in the beta feedback Whether it's someone cursing them out for some stupid shit or like giving actual constructive feedback I mean that guy went in and like actually Responded to a lot of people or most of them Or even me when I brought up like hit registration on snipers, which again, we'll get into that All right, but like he he's like, oh send a video and I'll take a look at it. I'm like, oh, okay This just it shows you like that good community interaction and then they're actually taking that feedback and going. All right, I'll make those changes Yeah, absolutely I think that is the perfect segue into dislikes probably from there Okay, and and the big one is hit registration. Yeah, that is bad. It's really really bad That's the one that's how bright gray brought that up in the comments That's the one person that said something was they said it about hit registration. Yeah Yeah, I made an unlisted video about it especially specifically with snipers, you know eight times or 16 times scopes Where I am dot on their head both of us are not moving Shoot and it just it doesn't hit them. It like either drifts a little bit or just I don't know goes right through them Even with jargonauts. I'll be you aimed right at them and it'll go right through them I also had the same issue when I was using the scar. I used the fourth time scope on it I went single fire if I'm trying to shoot someone really far away I literally see the bullet it does not go right where I'm aiming it will go Which I again, is that realistic? I don't know or is that what they're trying to do? But yeah, that's definitely a big one that really bugged me Yeah, I mean I have a clip last from last night using a sniper with a thermal scope Right dead on there is no possible way. I'm not hitting them square in the chest And just goes right through them and took five or six shots right through this person It's like just go down Like even if you don't go down just take damage Like just seeing their health bar at full the whole time drove me nuts Well, I keep repeating shots into these people And yeah, it's that's probably I would say the worst part of the game And I really really hope they address it before some kind of full release One of the things that makes me think it's a real problem too Is that it seemed to smooth out for me the longer I played like Earlier games I would have worse hit registration than the then as we went along And I can't even you could say that that's just I needed to get warm up And I just wasn't hitting those shots, but like like you guys are saying I have very clear Video evidence that like there's a Simon that's literally three feet away from me And I'm just chunking at him with my pistol seeing blood come off of him But no damage numbers and no damage done to him and he just runs away and it's like The fuck just happened I had a really bad round where this this one team all of a sudden like I don't know where what server we were on but I mean there's four of us east coast us We picked up a random fifth, but the other team at great ping we had terrible ping and yeah the pistol round I'm sitting there five feet away third person aiming trying to shoot this guy And I'm like there's no way I'm there's no way I'm missing. I can't be missing. I mean right at him It's not drifting that much and it just didn't hit him. Yep Um Another bad thing I guess would be I get there were some cheap some some hacking and cheats going on Because they did post a list of people that they had banned for for cheating. So I didn't think there were I don't think I didn't think there was an anti-cheat software attention to the game was there Not that I saw directly. I don't remember I don't really remember any well There was the one game where the guy kept hitting headshots even when he was down Which when you're down you can still fire your weapon, but It's so inaccurate. It is extremely inaccurate And he was like popping multiple headshots from the down state. So that was like, okay There's something going on there But I think I was also popping headshots with a minigun from the on the juggernaut. It's like, okay Yeah, he was everything you know fired was a headshot. Yeah getting headshots that the minigun is Nigh impossible you aim for the body and just fill it fill a bullet holes And just leave it there the thing about that too is Jedi called him out mid-match and Like so Jenna called him out and then the next round You can tell he didn't use it because we were just able to fucking gun him down like it was nothing And then the next round he's back to fucking Drilling headshots again. It's like, okay, buddy. That's weird, huh? Yeah, weird how that works But I mean some people are just fucking good and some people are just lucky Like that guy that fucking hit double tapped you raven when I was watching you I think I think in deagle. Yeah, I think he just got lucky that looked like it was just pure fucking luck on his part It's like mid-roll. Boom. Boom. I go what just happened. I definitely got hit somewhere else That was dumb I had some guy I looked like he teleported like because I had a thermoscope We're on the the rain map the railed and I'm looking we're on the attacking side. We're up on the hill I'm looking left toward the power line. I don't see anyone I look away All of a sudden I get shot and I die and I'm like, what the hell round ends and look at that replay thing He runs up to the power line and all of a sudden he goes Over here and I was like next to me So I don't know if that was some kind of like hacking thing or because it's not just gonna jump like that It actually goes through smooth for everyone That one was weird I think a lot of it though is just sometimes people have really good games Or sometimes they're just really good at the game Like I was dog shit for the most part, but I would went up wherever I'd pop off I would just be like capping people in the head everywhere. I went like it was nothing and I'm like on the boat like on the boat. He's just standing. You know when you were watching me Oh my gosh guys nice Yeah, everyone's all I'd have games like that, but obviously I wasn't using any god cheats or anything. It just Sometimes you're one and sometimes you're off I will say One thing I another thing I didn't like about the juggernaut was again Yeah, the leptin where you get at round seven, which they could totally get rid of that but The dashing the 100 mile per hour Dashing covering like 50 yards on the map and the fact that you can like literally tokyo drift it I had fun with it, but like I that was pretty ridiculous I don't think the juggernaut should be able to do that just stand there and shoot the minigun Because then again, it would be much more easier to deal with But that was a one shot you hit them off that charge one shot down and another juggernaut one shot down Oh, yeah, no that that dash was absolutely insane I would go I'd put on the juggernaut suit outside of the magnetic field Walk into the magnetic field full charge across the map And then come out of the magnetic field again with only like six hp loss And then down behind the enemy team with the juggernaut already and just mow them down. No problem Yeah, there's juggernaut needs to be adjusted or I would like to just again just be removed because I just didn't think it was necessary to the game I didn't think it was oh too terrible to play against because like we said there was ways to the drop a juggernaut, but It certainly wasn't putting an entire clip of fucking ammo into him because that didn't work for shit Quality of life thing I didn't like was when you were first person aim you couldn't roll You're locked in You're locked in so you'd have to get out of the first person and then roll Yeah, or if you're in I changed my lean to toggle So if I just leaned once I'm stuck like that Which was fine because I don't want to hold it the whole time But if you're like that then you can't do anything else you can't revive you can't You'd have to like either again roll out of it or press that same direction you leaned it If you just went the other direction then you'd be stuck that way. I get a little weird kind of movement thing We're just rolling the rolling was like You could roll and then just change direction Midroll which I thought was weird But you can like curve around a corner with it Instead of just roll. Okay, you're going that direction and then re-roll to go a different direction. Yeah Another thing is so those each character had a signature ability right and and look we said earlier Some of them were really useful. I mean I had one there's a character that gambles 50 of her coins For a chance at anywhere from negative 50 to 1,000 coins And I had a game where I got 3,000 coins in a single round using that ability Right and that was round one. So by round two, I'm walking in with 6,000 gold I'll buy my gun. I'll buy somebody else's gun. Hey you you get a gun too, right at round two But then you've got characters like jack who is supposed to be an instant reload of his pistol But instead of being an instant reload, it's the same exact amount of time it takes to just reload normally And you get less shots. You only get seven shots So it's actually worse for you to reload that way than it is to reload normally So that feels like a useless signature ability and it's only really decent on the first round where everybody's using pistols Exactly So it feels weird a lot of them feel like they're They should be good on paper and then when they execute is just not not good At the goal that discounts like you have to use that so many times And you're locked into that animation every time you use it. Oh, yeah, that one's fun I've I really only got to like 10 1 round and that was flicking it what like 30 times That sounded weird Do you guys think that there should be like an agent restriction? It's like you shouldn't be able to five stack one agent or something like that or multiple I think if they do some kind of ranked mode. Yeah, but in like a free play environment. I don't think it makes a difference Yeah, haven't I really thought rones was kind of over because they could just Resid the shit out of each other and then it'd be I thought soy was a little underwhelming. I think her Once my one friend figured out how she worked Uh, if you just stick with one person, it's actually really good Because then you can heal them up to like full armor if they lose it all and health The scanning the enemies seemed weird because young sick had the same thing, but his seemed better But yeah, her it was like you just I didn't like need to increase the the range which you can cast that stuff or The switching modes needs to get like sped up to like you're going It's like a whole two seconds just to switch modes Every time you switch modes between healing repairing armor or scanning you make a ton of noise You're even trying to be sneaky Right and sneak up behind a group of people and switch modes Guaranteed they know where you are now because you make a ton of noise to do that Oh, no, I had viking Ridin my back She's supporting the shit out of me with her. I tell you it was good. You know, it was good. It was a two person situation Yeah, she really is like the hardcore support character of the roster Everyone else kind of can be aggressive or supportive depending on how they want to play But she is 100% You got to support somebody to make it most effective. Yeah And I saw people getting mad about simon with the one shot down melee But like to me at the early I like it. That's his thing, right? Yeah, unless five people run on with a knife and then you're like, all right Well, let me just wait until I see some guy running up on me It really doesn't run at you. Yeah gotta mow him down as fast as possible Yeah, you go for headshots is gonna run straight at you Yeah, and then when he gets close to roll and then he's like I mean stuck in his stabbing anime I say that but I had a game last night that there was a simon who got all five kills by himself No assistance from anybody else. He just walked up and melee all five people just no problem I don't know. I mean a lot We're talking about the negatives right now, but a lot of the negatives are also sort of positive and Stuff that could be fixed because this is a beta. So they're flexible. Nothing was game breaking I didn't see anything that like, oh my god. They do this one thing. I can't play anymore Very impressed with this game. Yeah, since Viking Jedi couldn't join us tonight I will say that he definitely would have suggested that you pick this one up and play it because I think out of the three of us. Well, I don't know it's between him and raven who liked the game more I got like over 50 hours playing the beta. So And again top 1000s. You tell me man. I enjoy the shit out of it The Viking really loved it too. Um, but he could he could be here with us tonight. Um So well, let's move on now to do we think this game is lat is gonna go to last do we think it's gonna Has any staying power? I think we probably all know What our answers are gonna be here, but raven start us off Do you think that people will still be playing this game two years from now? I think so. Um considering it's the korean company and it's most of its popularity right now is is korean demographic I didn't see like a shroud or any of the kind of like high fps shooters playing the game Which was surprising to me considering again, like I thought it was low-key. I didn't really hear about it But I I seriously think that it can fit into a a niche competitive I mean they already said they want ranked so why not do then pro play which again could easily be done Look you have the maps you have Editions from other games that set it apart from just like oh, it's counter strike with guns and a bomb set Oh, it's valorant with guns a bomb site and some abilities You you have and it's like it's not siege where it's bomb site guns some destructible But you have like all that and it's a good mix and I I truly think that it could pop off that's been Yeah, I'm I'm gonna read with raven for sure because They're I mean even rogue company, which is the closest like third-person shooter to this game In terms of just generic play style Uh, he has been around for I think three years at this point Three years already. I think it's close to that. It's like two or three hours Um And I I think this game has more to offer than rogue company does in a lot of ways So I'm curious to see Where they go with it and especially if they fix a lot of these issues that we've already talked about I think it'll get I think this next outing will get the shrouds We'll get these big fps streamers and players In the game taking a look at it for sure Yeah, I think uh, I think it has the simplicity the where that it's very easy to pick up and play for a new player But the complexity that it would make a good esport that people would watch and watch these teams, you know Execute these crazy strategies and all and sort sorts of stuff But you can still just come even if you put it down for a couple months You can come right back into it. No problem. I think that's That's a key component to whether our game is going to be able to survive or not As long as nexon keeps supporting this game. I think I think it'll uh, I think it'll be a success Um, love to know when it's going to come come out full access And I would also love to know what their monetization strategy is going to be for the game, but um I'm sure it'll be skins And then if they switch like the weapon skins to just like weapon skins that have like a whole perk thing Left in I think that would be a certainly a money try. I mean look at me freaking skins We got already in beta three different sets literally three different sets. So I mean, that's cool. And like Kelly was saying, uh I had lost my train of thought so I'm gonna take over Well, right in the middle of the sentence Damn But yeah, I don't know. I mean if if free to play or not free to play I think I would pick even if they charge for this game I think I would pick it up, but if it's free to play it'll certainly almost Definitely be successful It was well, so I remember it was basically like jelly was saying like he had fun and losses So did I like it's it's a game that you could just play casually be like, uh, like all right, but like it's fun All right, but that's just me. I think it's fun Oh Having fun even in a loss is important Right being able to come out of a game and still Want to load up another one and sure there's always going to be moments where you do get frustrated and don't want to play Another one afterwards right but for the most part even on losses I was still ready to go into another one or adjust my strategy or try and figure out a new way to do it and all that kind of stuff Yeah Yeah, I think this one out of all the games that we've covered. I think this one probably has The most chance to last maybe um Maybe v rising Might have an equal Equal chance to last and that and that particular sphere, but it's uh, that's a completely different kind of game But yeah, I think that's gonna about close it out Let's uh closing statements on veiled experts. Um Raven you got anything else you wanted to say about the game before we close the things down here I just look forward to playing more of it. Can't wait to get back on it and like I said, it's it's a beta that I'm surprised it was this well polished in a in a beta other than the minor stuff and Yeah, it kept bringing me back into play more. So look forward to the future Jelly Yeah, uh right there with raven on that one. I can't wait to see what they do more I what if they introduce new characters in the future how they're going to handle all that kind of stuff I'm really excited for it. We can't wait to see it come back out Yeah, I think this one even if you're not a fan of these types of games just pick it up and give it a try because I'm usually not a fan of these types of games and I've had a blast with it. It was just very easy to play But um as you go along you can master more and more skills That'll give you an edge up on when people that are maybe a little less skilled than you which is all always nice Always nice to have that skill expression there. So, um, yeah What that is going to close it out? Um I'll have ravens twitch and youtube linked in the comments below and uh as well as jellies twitch and youtube And I go ahead and check them out drop them a follow drop them a sub whatever you'll want to do I know raven streamed the shit out of this game when it was uh when it was up And you'll probably be streaming the shit out of it when it comes back out But uh that is going to wrap it up for this week folks If you have a game that you want us to check out or if you have any Comments if you disagreed with us if you agreed with us, let us know down in the comments below and we'll talk about it But uh for now, this is the beta male signing off. You guys have a good one man goose Special shout out to channel members. I blood hunter jelly knees meow mix for men stunt raven and blastoise king