 Big shit, big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this, who gonna bring it to the table, boss talk, who your girlfriend fave, boss talk, we gonna do it how you want it, boss talk, yeah, everybody on it. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely official Miss Jamaica, what's going on now? Well, go on, well go on, you know, early, you know. Hey, it's alright man, you know what I'm saying? When you want something, you gotta go at it, you can't play with it, man. Every day is a new day that God has made, man. And just to be able to wake up in the morning and look to the east and see the sun come up, man. It's a blessing, man. I know, I know, I know. Say so, man, check it, man, we hear a man, hey, boss talk 101 in the building, man. We got a special guest for y'all, man. This guy right here, man, I ain't gonna lie, I've been trying to get him over here, man, because I love what he do, man. I feel like he's a visionary, man, our young youth, man. The people who come in behind us, I feel like it's the ones that everything depends upon and you can tell the way we do the show, man. Check it out, man. My God, you're on visuals in the house, man. How you doing? Man, I'm doing great, bro. Did you like that intro, man? Yes, I love it, bro. I hear it, man. They need to make this nigga just get this nigga a whole program. My career, like this. See, I heard the song. I'm like, I'm about to ask, who is this? That's Exo. That's Exo. Exo Music, man. I didn't want to miss it. She flies hell, man. I love her lyrics. You know what I'm saying? That's my everything we done done up to this far. We got one more coming in. We got about probably six, seven songs, man. But we always end up using Exo, man. Exo. Because she go hard. I'm from East Texas, man. I don't know if you realize that, bro. When you from East Texas, man, you really prayer bread and you started from the, you know how niggas say they got it out the mud. I really got it out the mud, nigga. I could go there, but I'm going to let y'all make it this morning. You know what I'm saying? That's a lot of stuff I did in the mud. A lot of niggas came relate to what we do in East Texas really to be honest with you. We come from a different cut, man. So, man, you know, you know, when I look at East Texas, like I said, Heat HD just left off the show. And, you know, I looked at both of y'all. I wanted to get both of y'all on here together because we doing something different with this podcast. We basically putting our site on the ones who really, really making it happen. Like myself. And like you said earlier off camera, you was like, yeah, you, I can tell you know about the camera. Like it's a passion, man. I've taken people all over and just always tried to invest back into the youth. Man, that's something that I value. I can show you guys that I work with before they even got started that doing real well. So it's a blessing for you to be here. Thank you for coming, man. Taking time out of your schedule, your busy schedule. You know what I'm saying? So just tell, you know, being from Washington, man, just tell us how you got into the, you know, like the visuals and just tell us about your first camera. What you said it was the G7. Let's talk about it. Let's work, baby. And how old were you? Yeah, man. I probably was about 19, 19. My friend, his name, Booma. Booma D. Booma D. Shout out, baby. I'm not going to lie. Without that guy, I wouldn't be shooting videos right now. Man. Why? What did he do for you? He was the first person that ever paid me for a music video. Wow. Okay. Not knowing that I even know how to use a camera. I think at the time, the G, I don't know how much it was. I think it was like $800 or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was quite, it was $8, $900 when they first came out. He was willing to give me like 500 and something for it. And I saved up the rest and bought my first camera. Didn't know how to use it though. Oh, so he gave you the money to buy the first camera. Yeah. That's why I'm like so like really close to him. Man, you'll never be able to look boy, that guy, do we still deal with cameras or do he even deal with them? No, he actually do music. Okay. He does music. So he needed somebody to do his video. Most definitely. I shot like my first video on the Nikon. You know, it wasn't, you know, something that I liked it. And then when he offered, it was like, hey, it's like he just kept coming to me, coming to me. That's God, man. I'm like, I'm just like, yeah. That's God, man. But when you did the G7, did you do your research and that's the one that you chose? I didn't know research. That's God, man. So who pointed you to that camera? You just walk in the store and just went and bought that camera? I actually looked up Best Cheap 4K Camera. That's right. I knew that I wanted to go with the higher quality route because I was already shooting and I knew that I wasn't shooting good enough with it. But I would always, I would ask people how to use the camera. But then again, everybody on YouTube was like, somebody can show you, teach you, boom, boom, boom, about a camera. But don't necessarily mean you're going to either go out there and just make a movie like that. Like you actually going to have to, everybody got their own style. Right. I'm going to just put it like that. You got to figure out your style. Pretty much. So like three videographers can go in the same room, but I promise you they won't shoot that video to something. Same white, right? Pretty much. So what did you want to do before 19? I actually wanted to do cybersecurity. I wanted to go to school for working with banks, dealing with all that good stuff as far as, you know, really dealing security for people bank accounts. That's what I really wanted to do. I'm like a nerd. I ain't going to lie. So you were 19. So you were already out of high school? Pretty much. Yeah. In school, I had my first son whenever I was in the ninth. Going to the 10th grade, yeah. That's young. Was your daddy upset like hell? Mom was upset. She said, you got to get out of basketball. Basketball was my passion. Wow. Like cameras was nowhere. Yeah. I ain't think about nothing. Did you have to get a job? Yes, ma'am. To support that baby. And that was the decision in my life to where I knew that I had to figure out something. I had got a scholarship for Eastman. You had to give it up? Trying to maintain school and taking care of a kid. And then actually moving out and then staying with my girlfriend there, it was hard. So you're still with her? Of course. I'm going to applaud you for that. Man, what's up? Shout out to the black dudes who hold it down. We out here, man. I got two kids, by the way. We out here, man. We out here, man. We out here, man. Black people that's standing down. We out here, man. Black man. Or a man period. Oh, a black man or a man period. Let's say it like that. In the ninth grade, knocked a girl up normally. Knocked a girl up? No, they made passionate love. No, because that's how they look at it nowadays. And it was love at first sight. You didn't hear the song? But normally it doesn't. It doesn't sound like they usually jump ship. You know, be like, man. It was love at first sight. I got to deal with my, you know, career or my whatever. You know, whatever. You don't think it was love at first sight, still? So I'm going to applaud you for that. I appreciate it. I asked you a question. I don't know. I didn't ask that. I'm asking you, do you think it was? I don't know. I wasn't there. It had to be. You know what I'm saying? This is black folks, man. You know what I'm saying? This is love. Okay. What is love at first sight? Probably not at first sight. Okay. I love her now. So if you watch it, I love you now, boy. I just had to put that in there. It just sounded good. I'm worried the hell I step. So you have a boy and a girl? No, I have two boys. Two boys? So you mean you got to go back for your baby girl? Look how he looking at the camera. I have no more kids. I'm sorry. Two is good. I love them to death. They actually love what I do. Okay. They are young. How old are they? Seven and all two. Okay. So are you, so going back to the G7. Are you married? You just going to cut me in there like that? No, I'm not getting married for sure. Okay, just checking. It's been ten years, but we getting married for sure. Check it, man. Check it, check it, man. That's when I get to come in like that. I know I get to come in when I say check it, man. G7, man, the G7. I want to go back. Let's retract, man. All right. Go back to that G7, man. So you get the G7, you really, the Lumix is where you go with. I mean, yeah, your visuals is hot right there. And then at the time that he does it, he's uploading them to YouTube. And at the end of the day, YouTube only giving you 1080p at best. So you ain't even seeing the visuals that he's really putting out. People don't realize that a lot of times at that time. Oh, I'm on it now. Yeah, about that tall. Everybody probably had about a 1080p. Oh, that's right. There ain't nobody had no 4K. And then you did like, you know, it was probably sitting in the living room. That was the only one you had. Oh, we gone. Let me ask a question about that. So whenever you shoot it in that and you bring it on your computer and you're editing and looking all of that, it shows you that quality? No, no, no, no. Mine necessarily is because of the monitor that I had and then the computer that I got built. So I mean, I'm editing 6K. What are you on that? What were you on then? I'm not talking about now. Let's go back to when you purchased this camera. For sure. He said that's what he was on then. I used to work at... He said he was a nerd. I used to work at Journal Cable. I'm not gonna lie. Most of my chicks went to like... So you went and bought you an iMac. What kind was it? A custom built computer. And you made sure that the visuals was at 6K. For sure. On your first out. Shout out to this young nigga man. He was really rocking with electronics. He really not playing. For sure. How are you again? Nobody does that. I'm 24. Young, and I love the way how you're doing things. Nobody knows that. Nobody knows that. Nobody knows to go and do that at such an age. How did you know to do that? At that point, it was YouTube. Wow. You going... I feel like... Okay, so at that point, 1080 was a big thing, but you would always hear people be like, People would only... If you did, they would view it at 1080, but I'm just like... When I hit the guy up, I'm just like, what's the best thing to 4K? Or I can get over 4K? I can edit my 6K videos, and I've been having that same computer. Yeah, but when you convert it, it does not stay 6K. Kinda, in a way. Elaborate. When you export it out, honestly, it's too high for a phone, so you do have to downscale the 4K, but having that 6K quality downscale the 4K, it does look beautiful. It looks okay. And it's crisp. It looks nice. It's pretty much also, when you explain it to a client, it sounds better, too. Yeah, but still, at that point, we're probably still giving them a make. 1080 or 4K. You know what you're doing. Your customers shouldn't tell it. But how many clients actually know? They don't. A few. Do they? Industry levels? Of course. Of course. They're in there. They know for sure. Little Pookie on the block, on the block, no. He don't know. He just want a video. You can do it with an iPhone. You guys can start with an Android. He's looking at more creativity as what you're putting and how it looks rather than the quality. As long as the quality is decent, Pookie on the block don't really care about that. He's not looking at that. He's looking at, man, he made me look flop, look at that. You know what I mean? I think when I first branched out to even come to Dallas, it was more or less when people would hit me up, they was like, Hey, do you shoot 4K? Do you shoot 4K? And I'm like in my head, I'm like, it doesn't matter if someone's shooting 4K. Somebody can buy a 4K camera and shoot your video. That don't mean it's going to look nice because it's 4K. I'm like, I can honestly shoot you on an iPhone. Correct. Honestly. Do you educate them when they ask you stuff? No, no. Because at that point, it doesn't matter to them. So I just don't go into that detail with it unless they ask for it, though. How expensive and how easy was it to get your computer built? I'm not just going to go into numbers, but it was a lot. Yeah, how you liking the setup, though? How you like it? I love it. We find you feeling it, man. You like this. The mic. This is something that I watch. I would rather watch something like this. Don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong with people that's beginning, but I would honestly... Oh, that makes us feel good. We ain't been in the game long because of my background. I think you could tell the way we lay it out. You're understanding your camera that's around you. When I told you at first, even creating a movie, the sound, a lot of people don't go with the extra amount to even do this. Oh, you gotta be. Put the camera up and record. Or I might even buy something like that, but that's it. The sound is the most important part. That's just back up in case something outters. But my question was, just give me a price range of how much it costs to get a computer built. And why, like, depends on what business you're in, why would it be important for someone watching to get a computer built rather than run into Best Buy or wherever and saying, I want the best Apple Mac. What is it that that computer being built can give me compared to me just buying one off the shelf, the best one that they have? Most of the time when you're buying off the shelf, you limit it. So you're not able to put upgrades in them. Getting a custom built, you're either able to go max it out right there and then or you're able to build along if you don't have the cash for it. But I believe my first time getting into it to where I got it, because I didn't got upgrades put on it, but it was around like $4,000 just for it. And it's a lot cheaper getting your computer built rather than probably going to get the highest Mac. And it said $4,000 and you're stuck right there. So when you do, when you get it built, that's the computer that you can keep forever. You just have to keep getting it upgraded as in the software and stuff like that. You just got to take care of it, honestly. I've been having mines for a while. And I mean, honestly, if it eventually messes up, I'll just have to go get a new one, but I just try to take care of my stuff, though. So you have to get it built by somebody else or do you do it yourself? I'm a nerd, so... He can work on it. I went in there. My brother, like, literally went on YouTube and discovered how to build it because he's a gamer now. Okay. And he built, like, I love his computer. Like, I was like, you built that? And he said, YouTube, talk him how to do it. YouTube, YouTube university. So you build it from, like, the base computer that you have or how do you build it? It's just starting from the motherboard, all kinds of stuff, honestly. It starts from there and then from there you get creative. If you want colors, the casing, all of that. That don't really matter, honestly. I can get a dual computer, which mines is dual. It's just a red light on it, but I got high-processed stuff on it. Honestly, when you getting it built, is this better for faster rendering time? I can literally sit here and export a video in full 4K with a bunch of presets and all that on it while I'm working on another video. That's how. That's why I say I'll just be working like I literally... And yours is not even the best, so... No. What's the craziest computer, like, you've ever seen of somebody built and, like, what can it do? I think it was, like, $15,000. And I ain't gonna lie. On my computer, putting a lot of effects, everything on a 4K footage. I'm talking about a three-minute timeline. Maza's lagging bad. But his, like, it was nothing. Like, it was just breeze. He was able to chop fast, cut fast. And he had a whole bunch of, like, his was open, though. Maza's enclosed. His was actually an open computer. You see everything just on the components, pretty much. That's all that reminds me of, like, say, Fast and the Furious. You know, things work better sometimes when you take that hood off and you do all of that stuff. Yeah, but I think that the thing I look at when you say that is, man, is that customers, clients, you know, they definitely can't really see all the work that goes on behind the scenes. Most definitely. But in turn, you're rendering faster, no lag time and all that good stuff, because that's a big part of what slows you down when you're exporting. And then even if you get a nice, big computer and you're shooting 4K or 6K and then you export it wrong and don't come out right, you got to have your stuff together when it comes down to dealing with this stuff. If you don't, then, like you said, you can go in the same room with a better camera. You can have a red and he can have whatever, the G7, whatever, and he know his stuff. He can kick your butt. And I'm glad you pointed that out, because there are some people out here that actually have those high-end cameras that are still looking like, you know. Yeah. And then, you know, they take... I would prefer somebody to watch my videos or even see what I'm doing and tell me what I'm doing wrong. You know, I love that, because I know everybody's not perfect, so it'd be a lot of people that are older than me that have been doing it longer than me. I see them doing something or they have a nice camera, but they're not putting out what they need to be putting out with it. Exactly. I just... That's what we always beg for. We always beg for constructive criticism. Oh, when I'm sharing a page or anybody come on, I was like, okay, how can we improve? And then sometimes you even have to take the haters' responses and do your research, because some people, you might not even be doing anything wrong, but because somebody hating on you, they'll say, oh, yeah, you're doing this, this, this, this wrong. I'll take even that, but I'm going to do my... Because anything anybody tells me, I'm not just going to take it. I'm going to do my research into it. I'm like, okay, does it make sense for me to implement this? How can I tweak it to make it my own and stuff like that? So you always want to listen to every single criticism just to make it better. I agree. 100%. You know, I think that when we started this, it was more, you know, when we first started it, I think God put us through phases, like when I was taking people to LA or Vegas or out to ATL, you know, I seen all the things that people miss a lot of time and I was putting up a lot of money to take those people that was with me each time, with me. And then when I get back and something wrong, it's a hell of a school lesson, you know what I mean? You get back, like, oh man, I should have took this or I should have did visuals or I should have. And so those things, God is pruning you and working you into it. And I say, if I could make a job. Correct. And so you get here and then people like to want visuals be like, hey man, I like what you're doing because he don't see all the stuff I went through to get to here and he could probably tell some of those same stories. You know, you get back in the audio, not there. Oh, you get back. You get back. It's a killer when you look at it. Like this morning I was looking at something and I looked in the file and my G7 was not there. I was not there. But then I was like, man, who did I record today? So I had to go back to have playing films. I had to go back to all the different people to see what happened. And let's take longer. And it takes longer. But now I got to reorganize my folders to make sure everything set up correctly so that when I go to a specific folder, I'm not thrown for a loop or thinking that should have been there. So. But in life, babe, sorry. In life, like what I was telling you earlier, everything happens for a reason. Nothing happens by mistake and sometimes we get frustrated at that moment when we're going through things because we don't know what is yet to come. We don't know what it is that that situation is training us for. Correct. And, you know, that's why I tell people if you can calm yourself down, learn to calm yourself down in a lot of different ways and just take it as a lesson. Okay. What do I need to learn from a situation? As much as it frustrates you, what do I need to learn from a situation? Let me improve. Let me this I'm going to always give you something bigger, but you have to show him that you're ready for what he has in store for you. True. When he, HD was here to just shift subject for a second, he was kind of like, yeah, you know, because he do like, he from Arkansas, but he do like mostly everything over toward Texas County all the way over to Atlanta, I'd say. And you take it the rest of the way from the other side and y'all don't know if y'all realize y'all do it that way. Honestly, I realize that maybe after my secondly, like year, yeah, because that's when I I had watched his video. I think was smoothie. Yeah. I just never knew him. Yeah. And then I think when I started like developing learning like everything about a camera and when I started branching out to other artists and like seeing everybody because I didn't have people from Texas County hit me up. Yeah. But I always look at like who's there because I know I can't get everybody. Yeah. So I always sway people to like, hey, maybe you should just try to go to him. Yeah. You know, like you already because what I hate is when an artist down another videographer. Yeah. Yeah. When they do that, like I sit there, I listen, but I don't say anything. They can do it to you too. Of course. That's why I don't say anything. Everybody do that, but they don't know what we go through. Correct. As video people. I believe. Have y'all met? No. I'm not. I could have made it happen, but you was busy. We a couple of times actually I was trying to say. Really? I've never met him. And I admire Superday. Super. That was the person that I was watching. Yeah. That was the person that I was watching before I even started. I want to say somebody that I had asked somebody about who shot Smithy's video the other week, Sergeant B, and he was telling me it was somebody that taught, and that might have been him. I don't want to get that wrong, but somebody told him I was like, I want to get that guy on the show. It's something different. I don't see people do. Have you ever done an interview before? Well, I have, but this is my second. This is my second. Okay. And the thing I look at is you guys just don't get enough recognition to me because I think without you guys the process doesn't happen. Honestly, it's the same in the industry. I see a lot of videographers that I look up to as far as I'm weird. So I love lighting. I love the way Peter McKinnon. Not Peter McKinnon. I would say I love the boy named the one that do all them trips and he go everywhere. I remember his name. Man. But I do love Peter McKinnon. I get all that stuff. His cost is awesome. Most definitely. And creativity. And when I look at those guys, it just makes me feel like, okay, I gotta get more creative, like way more creative because they'll be doing, but they'll be traveling so much. But that's what I get to about the pay, the cost of the actual whatever we doing. If you hit me right now and say, oh, your boy is going to So let's go back into that because I know I actually that off the air. Okay. My question to you because I've asked so many videographers what is their part? We're filming. We're creating because they've always told me the artist is the one who tells their vision. So I come to you and say, hey, I want to make it look like I'm Missy Elliott. I want to make it look like I'm on the moon. I want to do all this crazy stuff. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Am I supposed to come to you and say, hey, am I supposed to come to you detail and saying, this is what I want. X, Y, Z, you know, everything. Or do I just tell you, I want X, Y, and you figure out the Z and everything else. How does that work? I'm just going to get deep into this one. As far as when an artist even hits me up, I do my background. I will go on their page. You may not get a follow. I look at what they do. Like, there's been plenty of people to hit me up that I never shot a video before. At that point, it's like, are you really serious about it? Because you've been doing music this long and you ain't never had a video. And then that factors in a lot of things. But one thing I used to do that I still do now is I'd be like, what's your budget before anything? Because you can see here and tell me an idea, but you're thinking it all. It's only going to be $400 or $500. But in reality, it could be $12 to $1,500. Because you want all of this crazy stuff. But then your budget's so low. So at that point, that's when it's really just when we're... I wouldn't say everybody, but for me, when I'm shooting somebody and their budget's not there for what their idea is, I just go off of what we can possibly do for right there. So if someone wants a Ferrari or something like that, but they can't afford it, they do get the best next thing to it. And it may not come out like they want to. That's why I was telling you. It may not come out like they want to. So the budget is for the props and everything that they want to put in. Everything for the video. Everything for the video. And also include, because the more creative it gets, the more time it will take for you to create that video and edit it. So is some of that money in the budget also for your time? Most definitely. And then in some of its... A lot of people, I would say just like regular videos as far as just what a lot of effects in it. And some of them affects costs. A lot of people don't know that. Some of the things that they see, because what I hate is when someone refers to another video and they want that exact same thing. There's no such thing. Exactly. Be creative. You can. Everybody copies as far as effects wise, but it's just like let's come up with something new. Like when it comes down to it, when you watch my videos you'll see the ones I got creative with and the ones they allowed me to actually shoot. And I think there's only a few videos like that. It was one I shot with a guy named 12 gauge. He shit me the location. I did me. Like he allowed me to do me. I edited it, sent it to him. They loved it. It was all me. They just sent me the location. And you said you like working with men better than women because women are so picky. Very. How many times did you create something and it was what did you call it? It wasn't it wasn't the full production but it was a rough draft. A rough draft. Right. And you sent it to them to see how they like it what they think so forth. How many times did you have to redo? Like I don't because it's necessarily because I don't work with women. The first woman that I ever shot was a girl named Brie Bellico. She was very easy to work with because her creative mind she knew how to dress. I love her sound and I felt like in Marshall she had like the best video at that time. That's when I did my research. I'm not going to lie I dropped the G7. Yeah. And I went to the Sony and I went full like I watched every video I possibly could. Wow. Every video literally if I go on my browser just because I got into that state to where I just want to be my own creative person. So when someone asks me to do something I just try to figure out in my own way unless it's something complex and I have to watch a tutorial on it. But with time but with any craft that someone does some people go back to school to learn the newer you know or now you have YouTube University to learn all the newer everything. So you say you don't really go on your browser but do you do research of newer things that are coming out emails, maybe somebody emailing you tapping in like the Komodo when it came out and I mean how do you know when it if you don't watch YouTube and you don't research you got different technology that's always coming out. Even newer onens all type of stuff that's going to hit the scene what you going to do that's going to help I think as far as gimbal wise I feel like just working with them for so long you'll just know how to use them and program them you know that phone calibrating all that you work with the base models of every camera even though they upgraded it could be the sensor it could be the quality it's still the same it's still the same as long as you can work with that brand. Brand before like with Lumix like you know Canon or whatever so right now I'm just stuck with Sony they're portable they're light don't get me wrong they ain't got nothing on Canon colors but I just love what I can produce with Sony. But um okay but is it the cameras I noticed your creative mind that helps with the creativity but does softwares and does um what else does help with the special effects other than physical special effects that people put as props softwares for sure right so that's where I was talking about where trying to stay up to date with certain you know new softwares and new things that are coming out how do you stay abreast with stuff like that cause a lot of things dealing with keying and just moving a lot of stuff you know honestly you can show me a video I like y'all know how they did it just by looking at it he's special that's what he's trying to tell he don't want to be arrogant I tell you he's special no no you're special like everybody don't get it man you get it and it's not everybody that gets it you can have certain people that can go like we said earlier by any kind of camera have all this different stuff and they can't do it it's just like what I do here is certain people God bless you with something and other people you know redo what you're doing but they can't because it's a gift that God puts in you so there's certain things on a visual that you make and do that hell nobody can do you know I'm being real in the way that you do it you know what I'm saying so shout out to Twon Visual so let me go back to 19 at 19 when you first started how long did it take you to figure out that this is where my passion lies this is what I want to do I think after my fifth video all of my YouTube how many years did that take for months it months I'm not trying to brag if you go on my YouTube you'll see the spaces I learned pretty fast because I seen I'm not gonna lie at first I was working a very hard job and I'm like I'm seeing the money that's coming from the videos I was like let me try to learn this maybe I ain't gonna work anymore but it did take a little longer for me to actually quit my real job to actually do this because a lot even though negative not negative a lot of people wasn't consistent I get it for me to even do that because at one point the money wasn't stable I get it at one point I was just like I want to be East Texas I want to stay in East Texas and do this for East Texas but I had to get to that point in my life where the world is bigger than East Texas I still love East Texas I'm doing everything in my power right now when did you move up what you mean here I've only been in Dallas for eight months but my second year um yeah my second year I shot this couple I drove a free video I drove two hours shot them just to get my face here even though it didn't just blow up a couple was it in video was it music yeah it was music I did their video it was cool it was just was the drive and then me doing it for free I just kind of looked at it I should never done that yeah for sure by me doing that um that was my first time ever doing an actual you know two girls you know they're a couple actually doing their music video so it was the first time for everything for that so I love to get that out the way and actually put it out there then when I put that out there a lot of people you know was gravitating to it but I just knew I need to do something else and I think I started working with enchanting and she posted it and that happened we can get clientele out here but I still stayed in East Texas that's hot so you were traveling back and forth enchanting I would only come out here on the weekend then she signed to 1017 1017 the Gucci Nail so that's a big deal you know we gotta put that in there because at the end of the day these people start and that's something like I talked to half man about you know you guys be helping to build these these different the industry people and a lot of time the industry blocked the door of letting you guys even proceed but how many videos did you do for her on that one three yeah it's like they really they really start off in a place that everybody gotta start somewhere and so when they start it's like these guys the twin visuals the heat HDs the half pints all these guys they start up and the Jeff Adaris too even though they I ain't gonna go there these guys they pivot off of these guys and I think I mean don't shout out to Jeff there but you know for the brothers I put it like that people that look like me it's always a stigma and I ain't trying to put up a you know sob story but I am saying that we have to be careful on how we we let people utilize our resources we gotta start looking at ways to leverage because we putting that ground work in and I pray to God that somebody bridge that gap for our young visuals the twin visuals the half paints the heat HDs you know what I mean the people who are I believe a lot of times just used and abused that's my own opinion I couldn't believe how I feel Mom you're totally right I honestly feel just cause me learning I've actually seen people either hit the industry doors that I've shot or are actually there and I don't get mad at them cause I understand like I actually understand it comes to the camera man that don't understand like they're they ain't ever been there or been around them to understand so it may be not her fault or whoever thought yeah yeah yeah it's probably just the people what she gotta do what she gotta do cause she signed into a situation but at the end of the day as you grow and as you prosper you start to get leeway and I believe they lose their mind or lose sight of what happened to get them in that door that's why I actually go ahead I actually would I kind of feel like you should build with the artist yeah I came in the mix and that's why I understand I came in the mix when she was already doing her thing yeah yeah yeah but I would prefer to build with the artist and there's like a few there's probably about four artists right now I'm actually want to build with like starting like hey like they never had good videos boom boom boom we in the chemistry are working like that's how I'm trying to be because I don't want to be that guy like you'll never see like I'm just not going to go up and shoot anybody that's popping right now yeah I want to do that yeah well let's go back to Enchan definitely wasn't just pretty much putting an eyesight on her I'm just saying in general mostly not you know I mean because I don't know y'all situation but I have seen artists who basically do so many different videos and then when they hit they go and I understand that sometimes like even when I'm doing something that nobody's ever done before I can't take everybody with me but at some point I can reach back and say hey you see what I'm saying because y'all hear what he's saying at some point let me I'm coming yeah but you don't at some point then I reach back and I say you know what I can do this or that with you now even though I had this situation that I couldn't do it but I can now that I don't see do you understand where I'm coming from they just go after they go they go they mind going like I done this all on my own and that's really not what's going on I know that's not what's going on because that's not the way foundations are built am I right no you're right but you got to have a special heart man in order to do stuff like I just said everybody can't do it because everybody looking at a way to feel like they moving and scaling and they can't they don't want to feel like they they helping somebody and they did everything well you didn't actually you remember what happened you know what I'm saying but to move on just anything that torn visuals up and coming I think mean you you bought to go out the country or something like that yeah I'm about to go in Nepal in June what's up with that an actual artist his name is Lil Bird Lil Bird shout out Lil Bird you want to how did he find you crazy story he signed under the same label as Kcamp and I reached out to him at one point because I love different like a lot of people see my videos and think that I just love rap but if you go watch his video you'll see that's where I love doing rap when your creativity can go what's his name Lil Bird and just him giving me a chance actually waited for for me actually paid me for my time like literally I love that guy where's he from I don't know where he's from but I know God he's from Atlanta he's from God he out there in Atlanta and I really appreciate that guy you know what I'm saying like when doors open like that you know already what it is I'm saying man can't do certain things and I think people sometimes lose sight of that you know what I mean man can't he can only do so much man I'm already known some of these things you can't explain and you know I'm telling the truth some of the things that God put in you to where you figure things out of others can't figure out you can't explain it man and it's just it's cool to be able to be used I put it like that man most of it you know what I'm saying so when you think about artist you've worked with is he the biggest artist that you would say you've worked with uhhhh no so you've worked with him before um no that's my first time ever he actually like no no no that video yeah that's your video yeah that's my video I love that video I'm not gonna like y'all gonna have to watch that one I'm gonna watch it but um as far what was the question biggest artist biggest artist I'm not gonna lie I don't wanna get into that because of some mishaps that's where you learn me but I've worked with three artists before and my real ones know which one I work with that I've never got credit for wow and you just don't feel like you won't even deal with them anymore I just I'm not that popular to even just make a statement on it like that so when you say you didn't get credit for you did sorry you did your research you didn't film it no I actually I actually film it you did film it did everything how does that work how do you not get credit we'll keep it we'll keep it on the gray but let's go whenever I was 20 and I shot for someone edited I'm talking about I went crazy on that video and um but you put your tags on it right they took it off that's the thing they can take your tags off yeah for sure okay like they took my tag off they didn't give me anything I commented on the post or whatever and I had a few people like comment on it but I'm not that type I just I'm from Texas wow is there a way that you as a videographer can protect your work um where they can't take your stuff off I understand meaning like cause my mind is going and I'm like I mean I honestly don't know it's just whenever at that time it was a special moment so um when they hit me up and they seen my work I didn't ask for money or nothing I just just who they were and you know I went there shot um edit the video assuming must have did all of that because I remember say everything happens for a reason you just need to learn from it and the reason why I'm saying that is because like even like your tags cause if your tag is at the beginning like which most of most people are you can easily cut that take that off but in like if you drop like a tag like somewhere in the middle or you know do whatever I don't think I think what you can do though because it it'll take a lot for them to try to I think what you can do is you can get your paperwork right does that work it works because if you go to attorney you they want to pay you back for those credits most definitely you got to get that paperwork right okay that's why I'm trying to figure out am I right you didn't have anybody sign I didn't know nothing about that so do you have everybody signed now when the budget's big for sure you need to do it even on small because these people can grow that's right see the thing is at that point not something that's in there already dropped the video with my tag on it make no sense for them to get off at that point at that point but when it comes to a bigger project when I know for a fact which I have shot some of those before like my tag may not could I'm not gonna lie have you seen my tag yeah I just you seen half pint tag yeah there's a lot of like you ain't gonna see that in some celebrity videos but I'm trying to change that like sometimes when you watch a video you just see yeah director's name yeah yeah we actually had them tags where it's stand up yeah yeah but don't you have can't you do like two different tags you know you have one for the more it's just you know certain type of client actually who can you say have a tag like that I want that on a celebrity video so bad like I love half pint tag I mean like I to him visuals yeah let's get that in there that's my nigga out of you don't play but most definitely I just I learned to get my paper I love your tag I think it's different I love the color variation among different that's what I like the most you know what I mean it's different yeah yeah I love when I see it I know it's hometown it's special to me that's the way I look at I'm sorry everybody I know I'm a little biased but I just know what we come from and it's special to be able to make it out you know what I mean to be able to get people to notice you when I first start opening stores and doing the stuff that I started you remember I had to store in Marshall too the one across from the mall I know your son and stuff like that I think at one point I don't know if you had an artist or he had an artist and then wanted me to she was a girl artist I can't remember more likely it was Hills I never had an artist that's something I'm getting into but I don't trust my trust issues is bad I just feel like they spring up and I see the I see the game and it's shiesty it ain't like it's on a whole other level a lot of people about themselves I'm a person that's a hustler and I don't play one of my business so I'd rather not get myself caught up in something that I have me looking crazy out here so because I'm going to say something on the mouth of the South you know what I'm saying so I'm not like you you're like you're not going to say I'm going to pull up I'm like the old she'll ignite and I pull up on you nigga and I'd be like nigga what's up with what you doing damn dad shout out baby you know what I'm saying what you do this fun you're going to have to you're going to have to smell my cologne like nothing so I'd rather not play myself in it it's a certain way to industry move that I'm trying to understand better and I've been looking at it for all my life I just I like real man some done chief said you know what I'm saying you know he's not like on social media like that because he's dealing with real life and that's the way it be you know what I'm saying like I can't play with it when it come to my cameras and my money and my time and rocking with you like this at the end of the day respect this first respect what you just talked about was disrespect really far as people doing something to you and doing that that's disrespect so you got to see me on that what's the most creative video that you've ever created I actually said a little bird just because you got to hear this one yeah you have to hear his voice how many videos have you done for him just this one just that one that's hot what did I do with that in Atlanta that's hot how creeped out were you doing it at a cemetery a little like a little but at that point like I said just listening to him and then actually being at a video and actually seeing someone fans like attend and stuff like that so I kind of wasn't looking at it anymore I was just like amazed at the people that even came to his video shoot how many people were videoing just you it was just me I don't think I've never worked with another videographer I actually recently just shot a video if I have paint one of his artists or something but I ain't just never like are we working on it together like he actually gave me leeway to actually editing it and shooting and stuff like that do you have a camera crew that you use you just just but you willing to beef up if you have to yes because some if people are willing to work because I'm not gonna lie coming down to it is a fact there's a people worried about getting paid and then a lot of people they even educated in the camera and they're expecting to get that pay because of who they're shooting well the thing is you gotta make paperwork right again you gotta do your deposits you gotta make sure that's the whole game of VRM like you get I mean you know I'm gonna make sure all that's right I mean you know that's the thing that I am was a business man you know maybe that's why God put me in everybody's life because I'm gonna make sure to have them contracts you know how I am you just sign want to be on here and you know it's just business it's time to put the shoebox up y'all hear that you know what I'm saying it's time to put the shoebox up we gotta make sure that we are getting the paperwork signed and making sure people are understanding respect and I got the the friend zone is totally off limits with me in business I ain't trying to hear it I actually have not done a lot of business with people that wouldn't even sign the contract correct there you go there's some more I gotta do that like literally it's business bro yeah you gotta step up and I think you should implement you never know you just never know and it's just good practice for you and for that person you helping that person yeah you right on man you helping them because they need to be educated on the fact that the process is real and that what they're getting into dealing with you is a whole other level of respect damn what everybody else doing you know what I'm saying this video is creative and it says a lot about your work the fact that he was willing to use you again in another video you know what I mean because that person who love creativity just because of his style I'm looking at his fashion and the way how he's moving in the video and for the fact that he's using you and taking you somewhere else to even probably to see how far you can go with your creativity I'm really I'm excited when you're right I am excited to see that next video that's gonna come out how long does it take for you to like you go shoot cause it's a video like that right I'm not gonna lie it took me a while just because of the people I was sending it to it wasn't something that I was just all like so the draft was done in no time nah I'm not gonna lie it just took me a minute cause I was just trying to make sure it was perfect are you romantic with your stuff most definitely if I'm fiddling this song I'm gonna go nasty on it like I'm just I'm all in there like I literally sit at like today like I said to edit a half my artist his name Taji my bad brother I'm saying it wrong but I actually sat at home all day just to edit his video normally I don't do that so you have to be feeling the song to put in great work yeah for sure so if you film somebody and you know yeah it's creative and all but the song is just trash to you because everybody has their own opinion and stuff most definitely you can't put a hundred percent in it I'm not saying I'm not gonna put a hundred percent I'm gonna try but I'm not gonna lie like you can't just say you love everybody's music you can't just say you can work with everybody but I try to work with everybody even if the song's not good because that's my opinion it can be a million people that's gonna think otherwise that's why I said in your opinion yeah I'm still gonna go out my way for a video even if I don't like the song that's hot man it's still like I said it factors into what was the budget for though yeah because that still factors in a lot because something like that I'm not gonna lie and I actually had to listen to Lil'Bird I actually had to listen of course deeply listen listen to the lyrics yeah because like I said when you hear him his voice got so hot I'm gonna listen to his voice afterwards it's so hot I'm just like I had to gravitate is he a rock? rock metal what is it? I don't know what that is I'm not gonna lie I don't know I don't know but keep doing it I can honestly see that industry is he hearing Dallas? no he's in Atlanta Atlanta well he's in Nepal right now but so you does he ever come to Dallas? I don't know man I don't think he's ever there because maybe we could get him on the show I can ask when he gets back from Nepal I swear I can definitely ask him I bring him in definitely ask him yeah I think that's hot I mean the way that you the way that you was discovered with him that whole relationship is something epic we kept a relationship that's it without even seeing each other we didn't know each other we barely talked on the phone we text through Instagram wow one day Mama Scott and him you know Mama Scott and them back in these days yeah they were heading out there and they asked me to film something and I hit them I said hey I'm coming to Atlanta for the first time like I've been had the money for but it was just it was like I just I couldn't do it and God worked it out God worked it out I went there and like I said I'm not gonna lie that video was like what I call on the fly videos we got creative on the set that's hot like we got creative as we was there and you know I didn't have a lot of people to help hold the lights yeah because I wasn't used to like normally I'm at home so all my equipment with me I was limited on equipment and everything let me let me let me let me ask you this before because we're going into a top three artists of all time dead or alive that's good stuff right there it's something that I ask all my guests top three artists all the time any genre so that mean you could include Bird because we don't know what he's doing but at the end of the day he's doing his own thing right now because I'm not going to lie I'm going to be 100 with you since I started shooting videos I only listen to local artists okay top three artists of all time but top three of all time any genre Lil Wayne Lil Wayne that's when we get a lot mm-hmm I would say Buster Rom Buster Rom that's the first Buster Rom that's the first let me but that's good Jamaican heritage I would say Buster Rom and Eminem Eminem oh I've been killing Eminem no I like Eminem I mean I like him for his artistic I love his visuals his lyrical ability is non-deniable in what he does now he ain't no PMC or nothing he ain't no PMC you know what I'm saying but he do his thing in his in his own way you know for what he does I mean my mama ain't never you know we wasn't doing doing appeals and all that and we didn't you know what I'm saying we wasn't killing our mamas and bearing our moms you know so that's a different thing we not we not white trash or trailer park trash or none of the trash that they had to deal with that he'd be singing about well yeah yeah we're not that so I can't relate to it like that but I understand his visuals are good the stand video was poppin the stuff that he done on his video where he gets creative like Buster Rom I think you're looking at the visuals most I'm not gonna lie and Lou Wayne Lou Wayne as far as I'll just always love this town back then okay how to love is me and my girlfriend's favorite song already yeah yeah yeah it's like something that we was in school and we just listen to so it's so crazy when you're in a certain profession is like you look at everything differently he looked at the first one from the artistic point of view he looked at the last two from the visual point of view so it's just like before we started dealing with a lot of videos like he'll say to me you know we watch YouTube and we just watch different videos but now that we're into the visuals a lot when you watch in visuals you're like oh his videos it could be on a tutorial his audio sounds terrible before you weren't looking at it you're just watching the video to learn I definitely like I didn't impact my mom and watching movie like I remember one day my girlfriend was like look at that camera look at that drone I was like yeah when I was shooting the video she was like that color grays and I'm like look at you I like that because you basically you just permeate permeate the people around you you should create a family business because you said that your kids love what you do and they're involved so you train in them and then train your girl future wife into the business whether it be the paperwork or whether it be the light person because you said you're looking for a lighting person necessarily yeah but I've been trying to do it with my parents I know everybody has their things in life that they're doing but I'm trying to make sure I'm right before I even try to bring that along but I do want to have a team I'd be nice if you took your family with you teach them so you keep it right in the family they know you best and you know them best you definitely are a key to the east coast east Texas culture and also what's happening in Dallas now in Atlanta anywhere else you've had to travel to shoot like San Antonio Austin Miami you went to Miami let's go man Miami and the village Miami, Cali and the ATL Miami, Cali calling our guys out of Texas so three is the main San Francisco so you're trying to everywhere now New York but this will be your first time out of the country are you excited I'm not gonna lie I'm scared why are you scared I watched too many movies it's all good man of the place or just in general but the place itself is beautiful he told me myself that I'll be happy when I come out there and he's a very spiritual person how long is the flight do you know I think it was like 22 hours and then he told me you know what surprised me he said the journey you know what that means I'm doing some walking I don't know but yeah but that's hot cause that experience you'll never be able to and you can put it on your resume and you'll be one up on a lot that's what I'm about to say I don't know any too many like people that been in Nepal and you know what that stuff is addictive let me tell you once you start doing it and you're gonna be looking for people who are willing to shoot in those far places cause you want to extend your catalog and you know so but do your research on doing videos in those areas and using the camels using the you know different stuff like that let me ask this question before we wrap it up yeah wrap it up torn at this point goes back to talk to torn in 19 what's the most important thing that you would tell him to help him with his career and visuals never give up never give up never give up and that's what I have not done I ain't never got up gave up it don't make sense you telling yourself of that cause you already never gave up I'm talking like it's been a lot it's been a lot it was a lot of time when you thought about giving up huh trying to work okay a 12 hour shift job and then getting off and then trying to continue shooting videos so it got tough but like I was shooting three videos a day I go right back to everything you go through prepares you for the future because when you got here you was like well I didn't sleep I had to work through whatever and a lot of times you find yourself doing that and you don't have a 12 hour shift job so by you doing that in the beginning it prepared you for most definitely the things that you have to do now so it just shows you always remember that cause everything you go through you as you get older you realize that oh I had to go through that to really be here you know what I mean you learn to appreciate certain things in life but I'm excited for you I can't wait I'm super super excited I can't wait to see that video because you actually hype me up like I can't wait to see what you have in store coming up I'm just looking at the Google you said in June so it's gonna probably come out in July no it just all depends on him when you come back to town listen when you come back to town when you get from out of the country make sure you hit me up so you know we can talk about that trip I'd love to do another a recap on this video I can definitely do that I just want to see what happened when you went across you'll do that for me thank you so much I have one more thing we were talking about blogging that you were saying that it's important for you to blog behind the scenes and certain things so people can see what videographers and so forth will you be blogging your trip yes that's hot because I want to see it all that's hot you put together a little video for us to see what happened it's not gonna be long but it's definitely what's going on like on the plane and then you know coming back and all that that's something that I've been trying to do for the longest it was either me trying to hire somebody or just gone bought another camera so I eventually just bought another camera and my first time doing a blog I just I cut it because it's just like I said I don't like being in front of the camera but shooting this past video with one to have pint artists and actually having it's important to have somebody honestly it's hard to that's why it'd be good if you could just carry your girl with you everywhere because it is important to have someone because I've seen people who are videographers or just a photographer and to me it looks so great when they have somebody they're videoing them videoing or video them taking a picture because it shows that behind the scene a lot better because it's hard and trying to get a camera to be doing you some of them do crappy behind the scenes too didn't you hear me no some of them look like trash that's why I was going to say so you gotta have the right person to capture that back scene because I've seen some I'm like man I wish they because the video looked good but the way they was looking at how they filmed it looked horrible I'm not gonna lie I love legal trap they film behind the scenes good they normally don't shoot s-log and they shot it perfectly wow and I love that I really appreciate you guys for real well man I appreciate you man how can people reach you if they want to get a hold of you for some business let's get that here man you can reach me tornvisuals at instagram you can go on facebook I'm really finna get all facebook cause they didn't have me banned I aint been able to promote this what did you do I don't know don't get off just waited out I waited two years for real oh lordy slow your traffic down but those are stages where people your people are there so don't never give up on your people that's like you all right you guys I aint gonna give up on you but just type in tornvisuals really anywhere google you can find out a way to reach me if I can't reach you honestly it's because I'm busy cause there's a lot of artists that's why I knock on nobody anybody that's trying to shoot I literally will push artists other people away cause I can't shoot everybody I know everybody can't that's why I just want T-W-A-N T-W-A-N say man thank you so much for coming on boss talk 101 and like I said we appreciate you man we wish you much success you always got love here man you can always come back man always can come back home baby oh yeah I did yeah man these texts are in the building man but we branching out man holla at your boy it's a unique house of boss talk 101 and we out