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But every man in my opinion has got a past but not every man is willing to sacrifice their life to help save others. And for you, you should be knighted. You should have a statue on London Bridge. You were stabbed seven times. Your neck was slit. You nearly died. It's a noble thing you've done. It's a pleasure sitting across from you to hear your story. First of all, how are you? Getting a bit, let's say the news knocks you back a bit. We've just got to keep going and try and fight these things. Physically, my arm is still not working. We'll never will work. That's probably me left arm. Still waiting for cancelling. Not had no cancelling sessions yet. Every day is a battle still. First of all, you're looking great. You're looking well compared to some of the photos I've seen you in hospital. We'll go right back to the start as well Roy, where you grew up and stuff. Have you always been from London? I've always been from London. Lived in Peckham. Lived on the same estate for 50 years. Moving back and forth. Mums lived there for 50 years. I bought up in Peckham. How's life been for you before the London terror attack? Absent dance. I mean you have your problems. I've had a few problems. I've had a drug problem for a while. But I've since the terror attack, I've left it alone there since the last six months. I've stopped taking anything. Problem was, it's a tough estate growing up on. But I will swap it for the world. Growing up in Peckham with me. You've got local football time there. We can sit and slag housing estates and schemes that we have brought up which are rough areas. But there's not many people who are willing to sacrifice their life and I'll say it again to help save others. So people can judge. You wouldn't get some tough running out there fighting people. I think it's just being brought up on the areas of the status. Who you are. Exactly. We come from tough areas where we are surrounded by drugs and violence. It might seem normal for the average guy. It might seem normal for us. But it doesn't make us bad people. It's all we know. I think it's why it's growing up and just makes you stronger. So, going straight into the terror attack, start from that day, what was your lead up to before it happened? The lead up was, I was actually surfing down the way at the time with some friends of ours. I remember it was Derby Day. I can't remember what I betted on. That was in the day at the daytime. Then you had Champions League in the evening. Which I think it was my little rumudrid. It was one of the oddest days of the year. It was a nice day. There was loads of people there. A lot of people came back for the racing. Plus the Champions League. The bar market is always a busy place nowadays. With that, I was watching the Champions League. Just ran a corner from where I was attacked. It was a good day. It was a good friendly day. After the Champions League, I was going home and I just had one more pint in the black and blue. With a couple of these staff people on that. You never expected then what happened. It was one of the last ones to get stabbed before they got shot. We didn't know what was going on at the time a terror attack was happening. How does that bring? How are you speaking about that just now? How does that mentally affect on you? It brings back memories because it's still fishing my mind. I've just had the eight-week inquest into the London Bridge terror attack. I've shown graphic details of what happened. It wasn't shown in a cult. I wasn't allowed to show that in a cult. I was shown privately the CCTV. It was a closure for that bit because I waited two years for it. There was still stuff in my memory that I couldn't remember at all. I kept going back to London Bridge. I kept going back to the place. I kept thinking it's bits to come back to me where I've got attacked. I didn't know which way I run afterwards because I was pouring the blood. I must have collapsed outside. I've been shown the CCTV privately by the police. It brought back a lot of memories and it makes me feel a bit bad. It brings back memories a lot. It makes me feel good because there could have been more people killed that day. There could have been those kids in that restaurant. There were families eating. Luckily, I think there were three of us. I was mostly stabbed. There were two other people that got stabbed on the way out. I think they got stabbed one and stabbed each. Luckily, they could have killed kids in that restaurant. That's scary to find. This is in your own backyard. When you came out of the pub, there were three men, ambushing people. When the pub was in, there were already killed eight people that time. There were four eight people that had been stabbed. We were the last ones. When the pub was in, it was like on a corner. We could see people what was going on until they actually got into the door. Then they started kicking someone locked the door quick. That's when panic all went up. They kicked the doors in for the terrorists. I thought there was... You don't know what there was. I didn't see the suicide belt's dead on. I thought it was something to do with football. It's only when I see the arsenal, plug in the arsenal top. His mate pulled out a knife and started talking about Allah, Islam and things like that. I was still sitting on the chair like I am now. He was waving a knife in front of me. It's only then when he stabbed me twice in the stomach, chest. He jumped up and started fighting for my life. We started fighting for my life as giving people a chance to get... Run away, sacrifice your own life. There's only the door where I was fighting on the back door. There's no other way out. Were the arsenal tops on? Yes, they went past me. The other two started stabbing me. Did you have an arsenal top on or anything? I could have been brave enough. Did you have an ammo top on or anything? No, I had no top on. It was Liverpool, I think, Real Madrid that were playing in the final. You stood up and said, I'm an ammo? I actually said fuck you, I'm an ammo. I've been stabbed twice by then. I should have fought for my life. But me giving him 20 seconds, half a minute, me trying to fight him. The other one tried to get through. It's getting people a chance to get out of the way. A lot of people got out of the way. I was with an old boy, an eight-year-old bloke, and his boy, luckily they got out unscathed. I said they did stab two other persons that run the wrong way. Instead of running the other way, they run into a dead end, and the bloke with the arsenal top, I think, he caught them as they tried to run past him. Dot to, dot to, barbaric stuff. I mean, I got stabbed a slash eight times in the black and blue. I mean, I didn't even know the injuries I had until I was in hospital. I've seen the CCTV now. They haven't shown me where I got out of the place. I've actually come out of the place, because I must have been attacking them, or must have been fighting off, but I must have been fighting for my life at the time to receive some of the injuries, because I mean, as you see, the stabbing neck, my ear was hanging off. But my arm was just, it must have been stabbing when I tried to just pull my head with a slashed. I've seen the CCTV, or when I left the restaurant. Now they must have been looking for other people. And then I was collapsed at the end of the road, and then the local police must have just come on time then. And they was coming towards us, to come and re-attack us again, because I was stumped on the floor getting bandaged up. But luckily, the response unit turned up. And then all I could hear really was the shooting going on, which... Just the gunshots killing them? Yeah, killing them. As I'm getting bandaged up. I heard it. I've seen it. Because they put me behind a light. It was like a wheelie bin with a shield round me. Because I think the armed response unit was coming from both sections then. And within seconds then it was just shooting. There's like 50 rounds of bullets. How long did it take for the armed response to come? I mean, with the inquest it said it's for the first person they knocked down on London Bridge. To me, until they got shot, it was eight minutes. It's a long time, isn't it? It's a lot of damage they've done in eight minutes. As I say, the place was packed. Luckily it was people leaving after the Champions League final, making their way home, which five minutes extra they would have done a lot more damage. It's so scary to think, and it's so scary to think it's on your own backyard that these kind of things happening are happening more frequently. To them it's to just knock people over and then slashing women's votes. I mean, you just can't go through their minds. Did you see dead bodies around you? I didn't because we were the last ones out. I was the last one to be teched. So what it was going on before, I never knew nothing about that until a couple of days after in the hospital. So when you got stabbed, was there a time that you thought maybe you were going to die? I remember my mate said in his statement, he said he phoned me. I was standing with my phone on me and saying, I'm dying, I'm dying. In the police car they showed me the camera. Dave was just telling me to hang on. I mean, I did it all. I thought I got stabbed once in the chest and stomach. I never knew me. I was mirror hanging off my neck. It was just the angel ring that was running. That was just probably fighting for my life, which as the story goes now, I've probably saved Canada's lives. For me, you're a hero. Now you're fighting two years later for compensation, which they've knocked you back for because you've got criminal convictions. I'm going to be honest, I'm sorry for mentioning it, but you are homeless just now. I'm still homeless. They put me in a hospital straight after. I came out of hospital because that's their duty. Because of all the benefit situations. It wasn't being paid. I took care there. Then the Postal Make Stress Disp... So did you get PTSD? I kicked you in. I started arguing with them. They'd do me no justice, but... But you're angry? Oh, very angry. Do you know what I mean? I'm very angry. I mean, I had to keep fighting for myself. I was getting no help. I mean, even two years after two years there, I was not received one counseling session. I've had four assessments done by a psychiatrist. They've all diagnosed, Postal Make Stress Disorder, Anxiety, Trauma. I just need that help, which you have to do things yourself in a way. I've had some good friends around me. A meal all been good as well, trying to help me out. So obviously the government, they can be, let's face it, they can be fuckers because even the Manchester bombing attack, we were speaking about that earlier, the terrorists are getting legal aid paid for, but the victims aren't. They're not getting it. Same as the London Bridge. That's backwards. Yeah, the families who died, they're not getting no thing of it. The Manchester one, they're fighting for the inquest. I mean, I believe as well, one of the mothers of the inquests, of the victims has died because she was getting no counseling. She took her own life. It's just sad stories you hear all the time. Have you contemplated suicide yourself after the attacks? Do you know what, I'm a strong person, but it was very close. Very strong person. I said I'd never do that, I've never thought about that. I just isolated myself and I just quieted myself to sleep some nights. Which weren't helpful. I mean, even down to when I fell out of my ex, I haven't seen my little one. I just totally blanked friends. I totally didn't go football when I went out going in person. It just mucked my life up. But that's the trauma that the fact that it might happen again. The fact that you're lucky to be here. There's just so many things you can take into consideration. When I look at things now, I'm trying to do things myself where the main thing is I'm still here. Dead bastards are dead. I mean, that's all you can call them. I don't even think there's a word. You could call the bastards because to kill innocent people and victims and because of religion or beliefs or whatever it is, there's no excuse. I mean, a good thing as well. I haven't been a meal before. We've been through much. It's a part of my little life. But the old football world, especially in this country, and abroad, give positive comments which makes me feel better. I've done something right for once. I'm not a perfect person. But I'm not a better person either. But again, nobody's perfect. We all make mistakes. I say it right at the start. It doesn't matter your past. It doesn't matter anybody's past. Every human being makes mistakes. But not every human being is willing to sacrifice a life to help save others. You did that for me. You should be fucking knighted. You should be sitting and bucking on pallies, having dinner with the queen. There's no award. There's nothing that can say enough thanks for what you did. The fact that you're homeless, you're not getting compensation, the fact that you're struggling with PTSD and you've not had counselling sessions, the fact that you're not getting the backing and the help shows me how much the government are failing the people. It's scary to think. I've even come out of hospital. I met someone full champion from who should be an SAS man. And he even took a thing for me and said the SAS people and said what I did was they get trained for it. You don't realise what happens in that situation. You're not trained for them sort of things. Which was nice for him to come and meet us things like that and said that little thing. How long were you in hospital for Roy? I was in for two weeks. I'm a very lucky person. I've been stabbed 70 times. None of them were actually the organs because people were getting stabbed with one stab wound. They were dying. They were just dying in people's arms. I must have been fighting for my life, dancing all over the place or just trying to get out of the way. Which I was a very lucky person in that world in that way. And the second time was saving people's lives. You hear the stories come afterwards because at the time you don't realise what you've done. Which I can all me in that way. You should be very proud. You should be very proud. There's not many people would have done it and you did so it doesn't matter what they say. The past is the past for a reason. See when you obviously happened and you were in hospital, did everyone want a piece of you? Everyone wanted a piece of me. I had comments from all over the world. There's a lot of things I'm even impressed things like that but whereas I was probably so overwhelmed what happened I weren't really still Digestion at the end. And then you get stories come out of other things. There was a thing come out I think happened six months before with some students. I said a few racist words. I'm wrong, I'll do me and up. I paid the price for it. They don't tell you the full story where I was more worried about the dogs being attacked because one of them does snap. I should never use certain words. I went to the court. I got paid the price for that. The only thing I feel so far is my mum tried to put me up but where did my trauma post-wrestling stress come in? She said I was acting weird and this and that and she had to tell me to move out of there in a way, yeah. She cut and combed, she said, hey, you're a woman. We still see each other. Things like that, but she just ate me badly. She couldn't maybe look at her son maybe struggling and seeing the pain on her face. I'm telling you now, Roy, your mum will be proud of you for what you did and she'll never let anyone take that away from you, don't care what the press say. You did something six month ago, you've made a mistake at the fact that you fucking saved lives. I mean, straight after that I think it's about a week after the terror attack of a fundraising man at the bar market. There's one more now, I think it was it might be the family that said, thank you. I never got any names. I was in the restaurant that time or just left. They said, thank you. I had a tear in my eyes. You should be proud. You should be proud. We'll touch on it again past as the past. You've made mistakes. What you did, mate, is something you should be made to be proud of but I'm hoping, moving forward for the future that things are open for you and because you're clearly a good guy, I've been speaking to you all day and you've got a big heart. Time is a good either because you've been on all the news networks all around the world. Piers Morgan's been back and you've had a lot of good support. He's got me a week when he heard the news. I'm just hoping he puts these things together a bit and stick it up for me. Let's just hope that he responds as well and backs me up. I believe he will win as much as he talks and if he's got your back then he will back your 110%. As much as he's controversial he believes and stuff like this, he believes that you do deserve compensation and he's one of the most well-outspoken men in the UK and the fact that he has your corners shows that you're doing something right. I read the comments on some of the paper I've read in the Daily Mail about 1400 comments, I think 112 that were negative. You're going to get that mate. I don't like reading things but... You can't help it because we kind of want that if we did the right thing because even in your mind you'd probably go over it and say did I do the right thing and the police put me on her so I don't go the wrong way. I went on him courses last year I should never went on it but I had to do it, I thought it was something they put me on, I didn't have a clue they keep telling me that it was a voluntary but I've done that that was wrong of them keeping it around me for a little while. You just want to get on with your life build your future. Is that because certain people are in contact with you? Maybe it was because they set up the there was a there was a marches straight after the terror attack and everyone wanted to get a piece of me and I think they were probably looking at that sort of thing to see whether I was going to go the other way but I've just kept myself and isolated myself for about a year which I'm an outgoing person. Do you think you've became more of a recluse then? Definitely yeah but the fact that you're clean and you're not drinking the fact that you're not dabbling in any drugs because going through some of that trauma that you went through that's a perfect excuse to go and hide and get full of coke or whatever the fuck it is to numb that pain I mean since Christmas now I've left everything alone, I still have the odd bottle of beer, be socialised but um yeah, I feel like we're in the right place now and hopefully I can fight these things appeal against the the comments I should is when you're clear headed fight it and then create enough noise that you get enough backing and hopefully in the future I can give something back and do something positive even for some kids but yeah now even telling your story now is going to get hundreds of thousands of people so it's um you're doing something positive you've clearly put your hands up and I've met a bunch of kids come up to me ask for selfies and things like okay last year probably like would get out of the way of them sort of things I mean it's nice of them to be interested How are you getting treated up Milwll Milwll have been that was good last year but I didn't really go too much because of the trauma the crowds were a problem, this year I've just um just um going back this year there's a big rumour going around Milwll at the moment um there's a swedish uh swedish bloke owns Usky Chocolate um which is a chocolate drink and he heard of me's story and this is the story I'm hearing from Milwll and it's probably 100% true um he's come out he heard about my story he came over to Milwll and started to see what Milwll was about now he's just um Milwll's just had their biggest sponsorship deal ministry by Usky Chocolate they're um they sponsor McLaren they're fine and all that so he's done it done in five years I'm still waiting for a season ticket of him or a chocolate drink or a chocolate drink would be nice so again but everybody's all this and that and say they'll do this but again unless you see it unless it happens I mean just going back to Milwll now again hopefully get there to watch the football it's going to be people still interested and still things like that of course because you're finding one of the biggest cases out there in the UK just now it's massive because are you the only one that's not getting compensation I'm the only one that's not getting compensation out of everybody um I mean even do you know what not even a thank you from when we done the anniversary last year um that just seems to have got better um I mean a good thing he's got good friends around me even just like giant Jackie that's done the just giving yeah your twitter and stuff so people can donate to help back you as well what is your just giving page called I'll put the link at the bottom I'm not too sure because I know you don't deal with the social media stuff it's Jackie that's doing it Jackie and Jane are doing it I think it's called the London Bridge just giving or crowdfunding or Milwll on a crowdfunding um yeah but I'm going to say you've got the link how are you feeling doing interviews and stuff now I don't know I just want to think about the crowdfunding I've said to at least on the crowdfunding if I do get my compensation I will give that money to charity so where was donated I'll give so many charity and everything else so yeah definitely and we spoke about that earlier so for people who are getting compensated just now how much are they getting they don't know I won't tell me some people won't tell me you like some things and I think if you try and find out which I have done the individual cases are different it's best to just keep your hands clean because if they're obviously not paying the compensation then you don't want to fuck up anywhere along the line should we spend these sentences finished it's just called a buffer which is time unspent or spent or whatever it goes on to record for a couple more years did you think for one minute that you would have not have got accepted for the compensation I don't even think about compensation, medals everything else what do you mean at the time of the terror attack it was just natural reactions when they knocked you back for compensation do you know what I've read about things you do get percentage knocked off for some criminal records but there again it depends on how long ago what it was for I think if you've done something violence I think you get a lot more taken off or I think it goes I think if you've got like some bad bad record I think you just get knocked back anyway but these are just but there's nothing that's like this, your case there's nothing ever been like this for what you did to basically throw yourself in front of a two knife man to help others get away I'm lucky I've saved my life as well by doing it to shine one in the beginning Do you think it's made you look at life a bit differently after that I appreciate it a bit more as much as it can be difficult but to realise that you're still here so many people lost their life that day so many people were injured and the fact that you're still here to tell the tale you're here for a reason Roy especially not just the terror attack kids as young as 10 there just every year every day all over the country people probably taking away knives and all that it's a good idea to see them suicide belts as well which if you see them it's going to you're probably going to run do you know what I mean if you see belts this is what it's like to some people yeah you can't say in that situation so when you were in the pub when you were seeing belts, knives, bombs what was the shout about Allah? the shout about Allah, Islam I was just sitting on the chair like this comfortable because we were in no trouble did you think it was a joke or anything? could have been or they could have been looking for someone else this is their fucking answer because there was no trouble really down that way and we just thought there might have been a fight or someone trying to look for someone and he's waving a knife out in front of me he's waving it out in my face and all of a sudden he's just plunked into me twice and the next thing is he just jumps up just jumps up said a few words if I can repeat them if I can repeat them that's all the way that's what someone told me there's a lot of things I can remember how I've run out of there and I've run over and I've just tried to fight for him the other person's got through the one with the Arsenal top and as I say he did stab someone else in there but it's only when the bloke was running out but yeah, I've got about I've got eight stab wounds I've got slices my arm's still not right my tendons and all that are still two years later trauma, I still get trauma Do you have Nate Mares? I was sometimes especially maybe the winter time and even the firework with the firing shots after that I asked the police I thought it went on for about five minutes but it's only been seconds it's probably because the echo in or whatever but it's all been positive it's just a knockback and I'm still chasing up me cancelling I will appeal against the compensation So what's their appeal system like then for their appeal after you've been knocked back? I think one more appeal which takes 56 days I think there's something there with extreme circumstances I've let it with me hands and then you've got another three months to appeal after that I think to take them to court and then to try to prove it as an extreme circumstance I think it's just about keeping clean and sober keeping your head held high because those while open where it's documentaries people maybe writing a book telling your story spoke to my friend Sean Atwood who is more than happy to do a book for you so for anybody watching contact Roy will put an email for people to get in contact for any opportunities for you to tell your story because your story is it's an unbelievable story It's just a battle afterwards for the last two years If I'm honest Roy you're going to be battling until the day you die now the families of the London Bridge they're still fighting If they've been in contact with you or anything I haven't been in contact with them, I said hello at the inquest I mean I mentioned the ones I don't really know but it is a battle and you just got to keep trying keep carrying on so obviously Mulwall's got the reputation of being hard hard bastards they're one of the biggest firms out there Do you think being a Mulwall fan helped you on that day I think it just shows that in certain circumstances you're not scared of certain things like you have to stick the boot in How was that? We went to Wembley, we won the playoff final about two weeks before that so luckily they must have fought we weren't going over there then Because it has got the reputation and London is a very fair Of course it is It's like most London where there's always states Are you missing going to the games on that now? I missed it last two seasons I was picking and choosing which games to go because I won't like to watch football this season I'm going to start going again and just see how things go Work on your confidence I love football I think they can do well We're not the Premier League yet but we're the biggest small club in the world the smallest big club and everything else Do you think you'll get back to the Premier League? We've never been in it I thought you were in the Premier League three years ago now No, we've never been in to the Premier League You never know, one day Fucking shite so he's angry He can fight man because he must be angry every week We are, we're used to it You never know, one day I don't know Where am I using the playoff? That's from the first division First division We're a bit like yo-yo teaming up and down But we've got good sponsors just coming there They're spending money so hopefully Hopefully we'll still be going If we're in the bottom league we'll still be going There's strong fans there It's nice She's showing about the football on a pitch But Hopefully they might be listening So going forward for the future for yourself What's the plans for you now though? The future is Just try and get the airs in Try and get the most important one Just try and get the cancelling Cos you're going to need it You're going to have your setbacks At the moment I've got good people around me Which will help me well Does that keep me on the straight and narrow? Keep me on the straight and narrow I mean there's times where I'll just Glock myself away And just think I won't be unsageable But Hopefully you've got to look at life You've got to look for the future You change the way you look at things Cos nothing's going worse than being I know I've had a trauma But you've got to try and fight it You've got to be stronger in it and try Not letting people beat you in the long run I've done the hard bit I survived that bit You've just got to keep fighting And fighting and fighting For what you've been through No words can describe When it's easy for me to sit here and say That people can do this and do that You don't know unless you're in that situation And the fact that You didn't run the fact that you stood Then you fought It's a behaviour I mean it's a very rare thing That happens And you don't know what happens You're never going to say You can't prepare yourself for that You're just stuck in that moment It's just sad though that the press What they do is make you a hero And then they fucking make you fall flat in their face Cos right now anyway Anywhere your name's mentioned It will sell papers Of course I've got to be learned to be good I've got to learn to be quiet As people treat it as the press Being okay with you though You've got good headlines They've reported About the conversation And everything else And Piers Morgan Only the other week He said about the only show Which brought in a debate Whether I should get it or not And it's all been positive But that's what you need And it's good to see It's over 90% of people are backing you So Piers sticks by what he says though And again He's a controversial man But if he says something he will follow it through He doesn't care what people think And I'm behind you 110% With this as well I'm not involved in any Religion things Everything else Just a valuable time Because the papers are thrown Whether people are racist Left wing, right wing, fascist All these names get through about Everybody nowadays And there will be times Where people have tried to ask you questions And tried to put you that way They're trying to ask things But that's media for you I was very paranoid at that beginning With the snare You used to it now You've just got to keep focused all the time Not keep worrying about things Be back to normal So how do we get people to back How do we get just the It's just giving Where Lana And Jane Jacobs is I'll put the links for And also for the counselling thing How can anybody get involved Because you're looking for somebody to give you counselling If there is any counselling out there With the platform Just to, I've been diagnosed Four or five times by the Morgely Which may not spill I still haven't had that one to one counselling yet Just need someone There wasn't any setbacks At least you've got someone You can rely on They did set up a trauma team After the two incidents in London But that finishes in September All she can do is just pass people on So really from September You've not got anyone Not anyone and really They just pass on to people and you've just got to go on a waiting list That's sad that So basically after two years then On you go I don't know Smashing things, just anger Of course, it's understandable Flashbacks, trauma You see a lot of boys in the army with the PTSD And that's just a dealing with frustration And anger, hearing voices Do you know what I mean It's I think things need to change Especially a lot of people who are homeless just now A lot of boys who have served And the army I mean everyone got medals at the I mean there's a couple of George medals Got any of that Your name is put forward though for that medal And that's the biggest medal for bravery I think there's six different petitions That for the George medal Which I think is about 30,000 For people It's frustrating me To see you struggling like this For what you've been through me In Glasgow we had the terrorist attack At Glasgow Airport I think one of the guys He says on the news Come to Glasgow and we'll sit about you This guy was held a hero He was given medals, he was everywhere speaking And it's came out that he never actually did fuck all There was actually other taxi drivers there fighting And I think some people broke their legs Or damaged their ligaments We're fainting them off, it's just The media can make or break your life as well The second day of the inquest at the Al-Baile There was a video I showed me Being stabbed Twice at the fingerbub I think that was only one of the I think there's only a couple of CCTVs I showed They've done a press ban on it They only showed so many things Even that I can't see it till next day Because they didn't know it was going to be played And then they had to show me this full CCTV How's the police been with you? Cannotary's and police are a bit okay But then there's the canotary's and prevent people And I think they've been a bit Bit too nosy because With all the social media Not social media Maybe because of all the There was marty's going on I think they were keeping an eye on me See whether I was doing anything Which I don't do Because they looked into all that stuff for you And you're cleaning if you don't follow Bullshit and take sides of religion Or politics But again it doesn't matter You're fucking the latest man I don't think everything But even down to the CCTV There's bits in it That they didn't show me the full CCTV Why are they not backing you? Why are they not backing you? Why are you not getting the full support of everyone? I don't know It's mind boggling now But at the same time I don't really want to keep thinking it Because in case you're just thinking now Have they got something against you? But it's sad to think that your own people I think that way and I understand That some of the law is there But for things like this man It shouldn't be in place It's fucking scary mate I win next thing now I don't know how to go about these things Maybe go into the MPs and ask them for help I think the more noise you create The more people come forward and help you I don't mind if I don't mind Because if you do that That gives them the ammunition To say We told you So it's best to cake, stay calm Stay clearheaded Stay on the path And the more people you speak to The more doors it will open for you I go round to people and even people just watching What was unfolding that night Still having traumas, still having nightmares And everybody involved in it Are you in contact with anybody who was in the pub that night? Yeah I still talk to Everyone around the market Do you ever go back to that pub? Yeah I've been through it a few times How does that feel? It's like a restaurant bar and he pops it in for the last drink And he got killed I was on my way home It's crazy How does it feel being back in there? It makes me feel I'm not scared Yeah I'm not scared at night Hopefully if it happens That's when it will never happen again If it did happen Hopefully if it did happen Do you know what? I won't be scared to go and do it again That's a brave thing to say Yeah I won't It's a very brave thing to say I think everybody should get behind Roy And support you Because I know you're not caring about medals And shit the rap But you deserve it because the appreciation That you did do Any man who saves anyone's life And you potentially saved their lives It would be interesting to see how many lives Do you know what I mean? Even if I saved my own life That's one fact And you're here to tell the tale But I do believe people watching this Roy Will take motivation from it Any man who admits Their faults also Is a brave man So that alone shows me what kind of man you are You're not sitting here shying away from the fuckups that you've done in the past I've kept a while I've tried to Walk medals Over America and all that I went in the frame of mind People invited me to this place That place It's all good gesture But now Roy anything I would grasp it with both hands Because you deserve to be If there's anything I can give back In some way You know what I mean? Some might be interested Or some things with charities You're in American news and stuff as well To tell me your story How was that? You're shitting yourself? I've got magic telling me that That is scary, you're used to it That's what I love It's good to give people a platform Without things getting twisted Without things getting twisted As soon as I've seen the story I contacted You're on the show To help promote Get the Just Giving page going We can give you mate You've got my backing I do get a conversation It's another good call Of course mate Again it's just to Keep speaking Keep inviting yourself We'll speak every day Anything we can do back up in Scotland Let me know anytime you want back on And update You're more than welcome For coming here today Telling your story It must be hard It's been an absolute pleasure All the best for the future Thanks for having me on the show I really appreciate it I really hope it all works out for you I hope it doesn't happen again We'll put the link for the Just Giving page To help Royal out We'll also put an email for people who Maybe want to get in contact Or maybe also get in contact to manage a good guy So yeah, you're a good guy Thank you