 What are you looking at? Me? Tell me where you're going to hold it. Hi. It's a pleasure to have you here, and I'm Cassio, and so these companies are doing some exciting work. Do you guys solution process LEDs and code LEDs on large surfaces? Is that what you do? Yeah, this is an inorganic printed LED. It's not an OLED. It's actually a gallium nitride-based standard LED. The only difference is, instead of being a little die that are a millimeter square, they're more like about the size of a white blood cell. And so they're so small that we can print it in an ink, and print it. So how do you get it into an ink? Do you start with a wafer and then dice it? It starts in the wafer, and then we have proprietary processes that release it in the LEDs in the wild, and we can make an ink out of them. And then once you coat it, how do you make sure that they are aligned in the right way? Oh, you don't. We just let it be. We have ways of making that work, too. Okay. There's some proprietary techniques we've developed for that. The LEDs, we've had to design all the materials that go into this, including the LED structures, the inks, the transparent conductors, pretty much everything. And so we've been able to make all those things work together so that we can really quite easily control the way the LEDs lay down. So what sort of transparent conductors do you use? It's a proprietary transparent conductor that we've developed. You make it yourself? Yeah. You don't buy off the shelf. Well, we needed a printed transparent conductor. We could pattern. And everybody else makes transparent conductors. And once it's PDOT, you have to do things like coat it and then catch it. So this is a printed transparent conductor. We can screen print, flexo print. And so it doesn't require any of those sorts of fancy etching processes. So what are the applications? Signage, maybe? Pretty much any place where you need a flat light or need a light where you can't put light right now, or many places that you put lights right now, for example, coolers are a great example of some place that a lot of LEDs are being used now. But if you look at the cooler, there's these dot, dot, dot, dot, right? One inch apart, two inch apart LEDs, really bright LEDs. And so where they put one LED, we spread 100 over a surface. So instead of having the intense single points of light, we disperse the light over a surface and get a nice diffuse light. It's much more pleasing and it's cooler. You can put your hand on it. And it's pleasantly warm, but that's about it. If you put your hand on a traditional hybrid LED, you'll burn your hand. And as you notice, there's no heat sink on that. And that's because we spread the LED over the entire surface. And so the entire surface, the lighting surface, becomes the heat sink, as opposed to a traditional LED where you have to put a coke can in size. Heat sink on a point-to-point heat source. So how do you guys compare with OLED lighting? Because the story of OLED lighting is also about surface emission, using flexible and lightweight substrates. Well, OLED lighting has its place, but there are limitations in terms of longevity and environmental stability. And the other problem with OLED lighting is there are limits to how bright you can get and get good lines of longevity. And essentially, with our technology, our question is always not, well, or not a statement of we can make it this bright. It's the question of how bright do you need it to be, and then we can make it that bright. Within limits. There are certain limits that we don't want to get too bright because then we'll see the temperatures that are safe for the surface. We don't want to make something that's going to burn people's bones. We can control the driving, but the window is much broader. The window is much broader. Yeah, I'm just kidding. Okay, well, excellent. Well, thank you very much. And I hope you have a good show. It's been really wild. It's been three deep, two deep, and one deep most of the time. Oh, good. That's what I wanted to hear. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, it just depends on the design and the application. Oh, yeah. Like this? We're printing these on a flexible press. This is really cool looking when you light it up. You get this spiral of light. Yeah, so I don't have a power supply for... I don't think I have a power supply handy that will drive this. This is a good one. Yeah. We actually have a dedicated tab. It's basically the... Yeah, this is actually... Our waiver supplier. Oh, yeah. We can do high volume. They can process without the waiver. This has phosphor only on one side. So this is actually the back side right. This is actually a translucent lamp right here. So if the phosphor wasn't on, it should be able to see right through. So this is actually printed with transparent conduct on both sides. This is a lot of our users. Actually, use this technology in wearable fashion. Yeah, actually, that's what the shape was. It was a fashion show. The designer had us made some lamps with all these various shapes. And then they stitched them inside wedding dresses. Thank you very much. We had to wire them up to a power supply. I made these flashing, glowing wedding dresses. It's a very lightweight, very flexible. If you're mounting it under a cabinet, there's actually... Excellent.