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Doug, can you pull up the Hanson Brothers, H-A-N-S-O-N from the movie Slapshot? I want to show you. These guys look like Justin does right now. In fact, I feel like Justin could be in this lineup and be one of the brothers. What? Doug has to pull up the picture. What are they in? What are they in? It's a movie called Slapshot for 1977. And look at this right here. A romance flick? No, tell me Justin. I remember this now. Did you really? I just needed a pull up that middle one or I don't know one of those just enlarge that because it looks like Justin could totally fit. Not just because of the glasses and the... Yeah, mainly because they're like missing teeth and they're bleeding. Yeah, it looks like Justin would totally fit in. They'd be like best buds. Oh, yeah. We just fought someone. Yeah. Or we just did hockey. Bunch of tough guys, though. Did we say did hockey? I believe that's in the top five all-time hockey movies. Is it really? I believe so. I've never seen it. Is it good? Oh, you've never seen it? I've never seen it. I've only seen this picture and then Justin right now reminded me of that picture. Justin, you've seen it because of the glasses? Well, I think it's the glasses and, like you said, the injuries because I feel like... I can't believe I still have a broken nose if you guys haven't been able to check that out. You've broken nose? Is that what's wrong with your face? There's a lot. This whole time wrong, but that's one thing. Hold on a second. Your nose is pretty damn good for being broken. Well, I told you. I reset myself. It's pretty nice for a fucked up face. No, no, no. I appreciate that. Like an underhand compliment. Usually when you break your nose, you have to smell things sideways. His looks good. No. You know what's crazy with that? I was at a lint biscuit concert of all things and I was on mushrooms. No, you weren't. I was walking around and everything was way too heightened and I was bumping into everybody and next thing happens, like I'm in a fight and then I'm fighting some guy. On mushrooms? Yeah. And then somebody comes out of nowhere and just clocks from the side. I didn't even see it coming and my nose went all the way over to the side and I just basically was just bleeding and then I decided to do it myself and just pulled it real slowly over and adjusted it in front of the mirror and then finally I got it straight. So did you feel all the bone and everything? Yeah, I felt everything. Are you serious? Yeah. How many broken bones have you had? Let's see. So I broke my right arm twice. I sliced a bunch of things. I've had a few concussions. Yeah, I almost sliced my big toe off. I stepped on this nail that basically, my whole leg got infected from it because this like flesh-eating bacteria got inside and so I was in the hospital for 10 days just draining that. Wow. Yeah, I've had some fun. Too much flesh to eat for the bacteria so it gave up. I killed it. Yeah. What about you, Adam? Have you broken any? No, no broken bones, no stitches. I've tore some ligaments though. Yeah, you messed up your knee. That all came later though, right? So that didn't happen until... It's when you got old? Yeah, my late 20s. So as a kid I didn't have any broken bones, no stitches, nothing like that. Yeah, I've never broken a bone but I separated my AC joint, stitches on the head and then dislocated my knee. Remind me what the shoulder thing was? I know that's why you don't ever bench press but why did you... What happened? You know, it actually was from Jiu Jitsu. I posted back behind me and it pushed my shoulder forward and so the AC joint, right, that's where the clavicle meets where the scapula is, separated and doctors like, well, you might be able to rehab it but you got to have to stop Jiu Jitsu, you got to stop working out, you got to do blah blah blah and I'm like, how fast if you did the surgery? I was young because I was dumb so I had them resect it. So I don't have an AC joint. So going if you were to do it again, you wouldn't have done the surgery? I would have tried. You know why? Because in fact, I was having this conversation with my cousin because he dislocated his shoulder a few weeks ago, snowboarding and he said that the doctor told him that his shoulder is going to be really easy to dislocate now because when it comes out of the capsule or whatever, it starts to create kind of a path and I said, look, I said, I don't have an AC joint here. It's definitely not a stable, is my right? But because I've built so much musculature around it and worked on the stability, it's not that huge of a difference. So I said, you can probably do that or at least you should try doing that. The only move really is to try and create stability through like building your muscles out and like mobility. That's it. Makes a huge difference and I would be more stable than someone who had an AC joint without that support is my point or whatever. How's everybody's Easter? Really good. Yeah, I heard you actually saw the feathering. Oh yeah. Was it really? Did you go to church? Did you go to church? We didn't go this time. We did a virtual thing. Going to hell. I mean, does that count? Do the virtual ones count? No, it does not count. Yeah. So like my dad just had knee surgery and so he had a walker and then my grandma who's like 97 like had a walker and so we tried to get them to race. Yeah, so that was kind of fun. That's smart. But that was it. Hey grandma, go as fast as you can in that walker. Let's see what happens. That's as much excitement as we had. I mean, you know, I put the eggs out and stuff for the kids to hunt for them and all that. Now your kids are a little older. Do you put still candy or do you put money? Money. Yeah. Yeah. And every egg or do you have a money egg? No, because we do a money egg, but we don't do every egg. Yeah, you do every egg, but it's just like coins. And then we do the big golden egg is like five bucks. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. So the kids get no candy or limited amount of candy. Like what's the what's the candy rolls with your kids? So they had candy at my house. Like, so we do our own little thing like beforehand and Everett is like, he was convinced that he had to have Cadbury eggs of all things because like we hyped them up some somehow. And I had to, I had to run around and try and find Cadbury eggs. It's hard to find them. Like not every, yeah, not every grocery store has that. Were they sold out or something? Yeah. Like I was totally late to the party, but I went to like six different stores and I was like driving around all night. You know, if you want to eat the white in the Cadbury egg, it's just better for you. Whatever. Whatever. No, I love Cadbury eggs. One of my, I like peeps a lot. My Aurelius met some of my family for the first time in person. Yeah, because of, you know, because of COVID and all that, he hadn't seen everybody. So it was, it was an emotional time to see everybody, you know, people start to get together again and you could tell everybody missed each other so much. And it was just eating him up. Oh, yeah. It was such a big deal. He loves attention to loves being around people. So it was, it was a good, it was good. It was good for the soul. You know what I mean? How about you, Adam? Yeah, I was, I did first Saturday we did my family. So we drove up to my mom. My mom was all up in Sonora now. So it was a three hour drive. And she was upset. We didn't spend the night because normally we would spend the night and then go to church the next morning with her. So we didn't do that. We came back drove back later that night. And then we did Easter with Katrina's family yesterday. So it's good. It was nice. You know, what I was really happy, especially Katrina's family, because they go all out like with Easter and just every kid has tons of baskets and candy and stuff. And I was really proud of like everybody like respected what I had said before about not giving them any candy. Oh, really? Yeah, no candy. So he just got a shit ton of toys. Yeah. Yeah. So now you're like, I had three baskets full of like toys and trinkets. But no candy. Nobody tried to give them any candy. No one was giving them sweets. Nobody slipped them candy when you weren't looking. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I really appreciate that because it was like the last six months has been a hard conversation around that because he's getting to that age where he's curious and he's looking at all that stuff, although he's not at the point where he can ask for it or really knows what it is. But and everybody is just so tempted. They want to be the one to give it to them and see the reaction. It's so funny. They want to be the special one. Yeah. Katrina told me too, because, you know, we talk about this all the time, just like with the different foods like introducing to him. And she goes, you know, the other day, I let Max like taste a Dorito. And she goes, it was so crazy to watch his reaction. She gave him like just this little, like little taste of it just to see what he would do. And she goes, he literally, and this, he's not like this with food. Like if he's playing and doing this thing, he'll come over and buy done something, go back. She goes, he was so infatuated with that, that he stopped everything he was doing. It was like nagging at her for more. She was a nacho one. Yeah. And so she goes, yeah, it was just really eye-opening for me. She goes to see how powerful that is on his little brain, because up until that point, he hasn't had any real processed foods. Everything's been, you know, whole natural food. The MRI studies on, they do these fMRI studies where they're watching the brain with blood flow and how it's reacting or whatever as someone's thinking something or doing something. And they do this with processed foods and it lights the brain up in very similar ways to hard drugs like cocaine. Well, and I imagine if they do that, and I don't know those studies, if those studies are mainly on adults, but I can imagine that just like drugs, right? After you've tried drugs or done drugs, several times your body is adapted to it. So I imagine that the brain doesn't light up the same as the very first time that you do something like that. So I imagine when a kid has something like that, that's novel, that his brain's got to be going like, and then she said she saw that. She goes, you know, you could just see it instantly. He's never acted that way with food. He's not clawing at it and wanting more of it like that. He's normally like, ah, whatever he eats and then he moves along. Because when you're young, your brain is so plastic, so it's still, you know, once you hit it reach a certain age, there's like a part of your, there's a percentage of your brain that no longer is super plastic. This is why when you learn a language after a certain age, you have an accent forever. But like if Max, you could teach him five languages, he'll speak all of them fluently with no accent because the brain is so, so you got to imagine eating those foods that are like so engineered to do that. Yeah. They have to change. I would imagine they have to change the brain 100% in fundamental ways, you know, 100%. I mean, you're talking about, you're talking about decades of research and development on making these things so powerfully addicting. Yeah. It's incredible. Yeah. I don't know if I told you guys, but I was at my, I don't know if I shared this on the podcast, I shared with my buddy's wife, tried to give him like a sucker and I like kind of, kind of snapped on her real quick. She's like going like, you ran and snacked it. So it was the weekend before we had my, my godson just turned through. No, no, no. And you know, or you smack him so he associates. No, like what I said, no, they had, they had this, he had a big old like monster truck birthday party and they had the big jumpy house and all the kids got, you know, these little, you know, they look like happy mailboxes that had toys and candy and stuff in it. So of course, Max got one and I wasn't like, no, you can't have it. I totally let him go through it and play it and he's got a whole second. She's sitting next to me and I'm just watching him. I'm letting him kind of play in there and observe and he's still not at a place where he can't take the wrapper out and put it in his mouth or anything. So I don't care. I'm letting him play with it. He don't even know really what it is. So he's, and she's over there like, put it in your mouth, Max. Put it in your mouth. She's like trying to encourage him to put it in his mouth. And I'm like, I'm still ignoring it. I'm waiting, I'm waiting until he makes a move to even do that before I even say or do anything. And then she takes it from him to go shove it in his mouth. And I fucking whack, knock it out of her hand. Don't you dare give my son sugar. I said, I'll be the first person to introduce that to him. She got all, she stood back and she was just like, Hey, you know, you know, he's going to get it eventually. I said, yeah, I know eventually. I'm not going to be a dad. It doesn't let my kid ever have it. But I'll be the first one to introduce that to him. But she literally was going to take it and shove it in his mouth so she could see that reaction. And it's so funny how adults are just trained to want to do that because kids do, they light up, they get excited. So your kids, you're not your kids, so you don't give a fuck if he's sprung for the next four hours at night. You know what I'm saying? So real quick to do that. Well, you know, it's their currency. Yeah, like that. That's the biggest thing ever for them that they're always like fixated on. It's either that or video games. No, you're right. Because that was the challenge for Katrina's brother is he's always used that as to get- He's the uncle that does that. Yeah. And, you know, and I have his grandpa on my mom's side. That's what he would do also is that's their way of bribing the kids. And then the kids, and here's, when you're an adult and you can kind of step back, especially when you have a kid, you kind of observe and see this stuff now. I'm watching, the kids are so smart. I don't know how three-year-olds, four-year-olds, are so smart. They know what adult does that. And so even when you got, I got family members that have parents. And if you're that adult, you'll love it. Oh, yeah. And so the parents are like, they're over here like, okay, son, you've only had a couple, right, trying. But then I see them kind of go back door, go find uncle, who will keep handing them candy. And so all day long, you know, uncle's over here handing them one piece at a time. And even though the parents are trying to moderate how much they eat, the kids know who will give it to them. And I watch them. They'll go each one and bribe, bribe. I like your rule. I think that was a smart one. Because I think, you know, it's important to understand it's you don't want to be a, you know, like, never. Because that could also backfire, right? Because then they could grow up, go to college, all of a sudden they go nuts. I think your rule is good. When he can ask for it, then it, when he can verbalize it. Yeah, when he can verbalize it. Then he can try. Yeah, dad, I want to be a candy, sure. We'll have one together. Or I could teach him delayed gratification at that point. You sure you want this now, or do you want to? Right, right. So until then, like, it's like, why would I do that? As of right now, he thinks that apple and grapes and strawberries are amazing. So like, why would I kill that already and give him this candy that's just going to completely change that palette? Yeah, I know, when I was a kid, I didn't get a ton of that. But Nutella, for some reason, Italians think Nutella is like a health food for whatever reason. Well, it's derived from a nut. It's not so bad, right? The commercials are funny, too. Nuts and milk. Oh, this is healthy, you know? So here's a piece of white bread with some Nutella on it, kid. Taste. And I feel good that they're ready to tackle the day. Nutella, breakfast never tasted this good. Yeah. I imagine though, like, I would think that chocolate, especially something like hazelnut or dar chocolate, would be a lesser evil for a kid. You know, if you think about it though, chocolate's got, I don't know if I'm saying it right, theobromine, which is chemically similar to caffeine. So you see a little kid eat, like, real chocolate. Is that an all-chocolate or just dark chocolate? The more cacao that's in there, then the more of that. And you'll see little kids are sensitive. So you'll see them eat, like, a real piece of chocolate. Yeah. Give it about 30 minutes. And then it's a good time. And it's not such a good time about an hour later when they come down. You ever see, you notice that when they come down? Yeah. It's like a come down from a drug. Like, my kids would be shit for like two or three hours later. They're just little assholes. Little zombies afterwards, too. And they just don't want to do anything. And you're like, come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They crash pretty hard. What are the ingredients on that Nutella there, Doug? Can you pull up the ingredients there? Oh, let's see here. Yeah, it's basically. It's 200 calories for two tablespoons. I know this because I make shakes out of it all the time. Do that with peanut butter is amazing. That's right. No, I haven't. So you do two tablespoons of peanut butter, one tablespoon of Nutella protein shakes. So vanilla is what I like. And then like an almond milk blinged on ice and a banana. And if you want to sprinkle some coffee grounds, with hazelnut coffee grounds over the top of it. So we got sugar, palm oil, hazelnut, skim milk, cocoa, soy, lecithin, and artificial flavors. Oh, OK. So the first ingredient was what? Sugar. Yeah, there you go. Majority. I'll tell you what, though. It's delicious. Do you guys, do you use it a lot? Do you use it? Not in your house? No, not anymore. Oh, really? No, I don't have any in my house at all. Justin, what about you? Yeah, I mean, it shows up every now and then. It's really my fault. Yeah. I don't want anybody. So yeah, dude, I like it. I mean, I like every now and then throwing, like you said, in a shake or something like that, or just having a spoon with some peanut butter is like sort of, it keeps me at bay. Between that and like a magic spoon kind of situation now, it's like I got something else as like kind of a treat that I could do that's not quite as damaging. Yes. See, I like that strategy because we do live in the real world. The stuff is out there. And if you go to an extreme in one direction with your kids, it's going to backfire, right? Like with anything, right? If you're a Puritan about sex, you may have this kid that goes out and does a bunch of crazy, you know, practices or whatever. Speaking of the magic spoon, I tasted the maple sugar one finally. Oh, you did? Yeah, yeah, that's actually really good. That's a great strategy because it's got that palatable flavor, but it's no sugar, high in protein. Give that to your kid. It's going to have a different effect. I haven't even introduced that to him. Eventually, we will introduce that to him. But again, I think right now, it's so long as he's continuing to eat Whole Foods and loves it, I'm going to stay in that direction. Yeah, I'm stoked they keep coming out with new flavors because yeah, my kids are like, there's like a window of novelty with them. And so they like it at first, but then like, you know, I'm trying to introduce other things. Then they'll jump over and try the new flavors and like it, but they still like blueberry the best. You can make magic spoon crispies, you know, like Rice Krispie squares. You can make them with magic spoon. I saw a recipe for that. Yeah, you've brought that up a few times. Jerry's made it for us. That, oh, she did, didn't she? Yeah, yeah, that was amazing. Yeah, you just make it with peanut butter. That's a peanut butter and honey. It's not any, it's not like marshmallows or anything. It's just peanut butter and honey. Really? Yeah, it's peanut butter, honey, and then the chocolate flavored magic spoon. And then refrigerate it? Yeah. And you make, it makes this like like a Rice Krispie tree, but it's no, no marshmallows. Oh, that's incredible. Yeah, no. Yeah, so did you guys watch, I know we've been talking about waiting for Godzilla King Kong. Did you guys end up watching it yet? So I went to start, okay. So I went to start to watch it, but I never, I never watched the original Godzilla. So not the original original, but the Godzilla they did right. No, it's not important. Oh man. Okay, so on that lines, like so the one with Matthew Broderick, the guy that was like a Ferris Bueller or whatever, that was the worst movie I've ever seen. Yes. If you guys do yourself a favor, go back and watch that movie specifically and just like the jokes are so corny. Does this thing have high beams? It's so bad. It's such a terrible movie. So it was painful. I posted it up on my story and did like a thumbs up, thumbs down to get like a from the audience. Yeah. And I got about, I want to say 70% people said thumbs down, but then I had a few people that we know that said, oh, it was amazing. I didn't like it. I had some people that said, get really high and watch it. You'll enjoy all that. That's a meme. All the monster. I'm like, there's not a lot of things that are bad when you get really high. I was going to say, except for like a paranoid movie. Yeah. I don't watch conspiracy theories. Yeah. Yeah. If you smoke weed, then you'll be screwed. But you know, I did read though, that it brought in 30, it's number one in the box office right now. Is it really? It's literally the only thing out right now. So that's what I thought too, right? I'm like, it's not that impressive. Like you're at the top of the shit pile, right? If you get one, there's four movies out. You're number one. It reminds me of the first, when I got second place in my, one of my first judo tournaments and there was two people in my pool. It was me and the other guys. Yeah. Yeah, I got a trophy. I lost. Well, I can't. So do you guys remember what, maybe Doug can look this up. Like what box office numbers are considered good? Like 32.2 million is what I read is, and it's number one. Is that, I think that's really good, right? I don't know how much it costs. It's the big ones that when you hear like Star Wars stuff, they hit the 100 million plus. So now are they wrapping in HBO Max and all that? That's what I was curious. That's why I'm asking you guys right now because I'm curious is because HBO, HBO Max got it. If you have HBO Max and you pay the monthly, you got it for free. That's right. Or I think you could have bought it like on Amazon. No. No, you couldn't even do that. No, it's nowhere. It's nowhere but HBO Max until I think you have to wait a few weeks and then you can rent it on Prime. So is that how they're, so I'm wondering like what's, we're in this weird transition right now where these, like Amazon, Amazon always has these like movies for 24 bucks to rent now that it would normally be in the theater. So does that count towards box office now? Does Amazon get like a percentage of that? I have no idea. That's a great question. Yeah, I'm wondering and is this going to be what we're going to see in the future? Like even when COVID's gone and we're back to kind of going back to movie theaters like normal, is there going to be this option going forward where you can always stream it from home for a premium price? Do you guys know? I have no idea. That's a great question though. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't pleased with it. I don't really like it that much. Did you like it? Well, I didn't get to see it. We were actually going to go try and go to the theater to see it but I don't even know if that's going to happen or not. But yeah, you know what was good was we went through all the monster movies and really Pacific Rim is probably the best one. Even the second one was better than any of the Godzilla's and King Kong's. You know, I'll put my stamp on that. Totally agree. Doug, would that stat pull up? Would you? Well, it's really based on how much the movie costs to make. So if it costs $100 million to make, if you have like a $25 million box office, it's a fail. If it costs $10 million to make and you had a 25, then it's a success. Well, I mean, I would imagine that movie costs a lot of money. Yeah, a lot of CGI. Yeah, that's why, remember Blair Witch Project? It was a huge success because they literally filmed it on handheld cameras and it crushed. Such a terrible movie. You really? Oh my God, I couldn't watch it. I got sick in the first five minutes. Why? Because of fucking camera. That first person? Because you don't like scary movies? No, maybe that too a little bit. Well, you had to believe that it was real going into the movie because it was ruined for me because somebody had like revealed what they had just like staged this whole thing going in. They had this whole allure to it that this was really captured. They were in the woods and they found some spirit ghosts. It was smart marketing because you made you think it was real and then I forgot what other horror movie did really smart marketing where they didn't usually a trailer shows the movie. Right, so you see stuff that happens. This trailer, I can't remember what the movie was but it showed the audience in the theater. They didn't even show any of the movie. They just showed the audience. Just freaking out. Freaking out. And it basically was like this movie was too scary for whatever and you're like, oh my gosh, dude. I want to go watch it. Why? Why is it so scary? Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. I watched Justice League. I finally watched it. The long cut. Oh, so I'm halfway through it right now. Good. What do you think? You know, so far so good. It was good. I'm not a fan of like DC. Really? Yeah, I'm not a big DC guy in the first place and so I actually didn't even watch. I don't think I watched the full original Justice League. So this is kind of like new to me all together. So when I was curious about it, Katrina and I were watching it last night. How different is this one from the original Justice League? Wait, dude, it developed. It's like a different movie. Well, so I don't feel like it's different. I feel like the storyline is the same. They just develop every character. That's what I mean. Okay. You watch it. It develops all the characters. There's a lot of backstory. It's much deeper. So what do you guys know? Okay, school me on the, I don't know much about like, I don't follow this nerd shit. You guys are more into this. So what is so cool? Hey, man. Hey, man. I think so cool. But he's still talking about it. I'm not saying that. You guys are more into this nerdy shit than I am. And so explain the director. We're just more honest. So what's his name? Snyder or what's it? Zack Snyder. Zack Snyder. So what, I don't get it. So there was a different director that did this one. This is his take on it. Why the fuck does he get to do that? Like, I don't understand. I have no idea. I think he did them both. But I think that the studio edits it and says, no, here it is, an hour and a half. And he got angry. He's like, no, I wanted to include all the stuff too long. So then they came out with the Zack Snyder cut. Okay. So now what's interesting to me is like, So they get to sell it twice. Which is pretty cool. Yeah. So I'm interested to know what's happening. Is it outperforming the original one? I mean, the feedback when you look at rotten tomatoes is higher, I believe, on the longer one than it was on the short one. Probably because it got such bad reviews as the other one. The other one sucked. So they probably were open to then exploring the director's cut. It's funny. I was watching it. Jessica's going to get mad, but whatever. I was watching it. And so it took me two days to watch this four hours long. So I'm watching it. Of course, what's her name? Wonder Woman pops up. And Jessica's always like, hey, it's your crash. Anyway, so I'll watch it just for that. Yeah. So she's ignoring the movie or whatever. And then of course there's the scene with Jason Momoa. You know, when he's like Aquaman is shirts off and he's like, yeah, I'm going to go in the ocean. And she's playing with a baby. And I catch her just staring at the TV. I'm like, busted. And then she's like, oh, she's like, is this the new Justice League? She's like, I'll watch it with you a little bit. I'm like, get out of here. You just saw Jason Momoa with his shirt off. Now you want to sit down with me and watch it. I don't really like him anymore. But get out of here. You got him and Ben. I always wonder like how much of like a pump those guys get before each cut. Do they actually let him go get it like in the pump? Oh, come on, dude. Oh, I mean, you could totally tell. I could tell his chest is like full of blood when they do a clip, dude. You could say, oh, 100%. I'm like, oh, this dude, right? Right? No. Yeah. He's like sat on the bathroom before we hit the podcast. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to finish the podcast. This is all, I'm losing my palm. All natural. Hey, now he's a big dude, right? Momoa, isn't he tall? Tall big dude? I don't know. I don't think he's a tiny actor like the most of them. I think he's an actually big dude. Yeah, he looks big, but you never know who he could be. Is he? Look him up, Doug. How big is he? Yeah. Between him and, God, who's the guy's name that plays Superman? Six-four. Oh, shit, he's a big dude. He's a big dude, bro. He is a big guy. Now, and then who's the guy that plays- Chris Helmsworth is a big guy, too. He's a big guy. Who's the guy that plays Superman? I can't remember. Henry Cavill? Cavill? Yeah. That has to be the best-looking man in the world. I'm telling you right now, I see the guy's face and like- You fuck him, huh? That maybe. Yeah. It's like somebody made him. He loves a little butt chin. Yeah, this guy looks like a cartoon character. What the hell's going on? Really? Yeah, he's a little bit of- Just squeeze that little cheek. A little bit of a crush. Yeah. Anyway, speaking of cool stuff, more UFO stuff. De-de-de-de, Justin. What? This is cool. So they just declassified this. This is actually kind of cool. UFOs were observed. This is from the DOD, I think the Department of Defense or Justice, maybe DOJ. They saw this UFO break the speed barrier like beyond the speed barrier, zero sonic boom. So it went faster than the speed of sound, no sonic boom whatsoever. So what do you think that tells you? Any guesses? Anti-gravity. Something like that, right? Yeah. So you know, okay, so speed of sound, in order to go faster than the speed of sound, you got to go about 750 miles an hour. And we have jets that do this, right? We have jets that go, you know, beyond the speed of sound. And what happens when you pass it? How fast is Mach 1? I think that is the speed of sound, 750. If I'm not mistaken. I think every Mach is, I'm probably wrong. Someone's gonna hammer me on DM. Maybe Doug can look this up. But when you- Above my pay grade. When you break the speed barrier, the shock waves converge and create this, what's called sonic boom, where you hear this, because it went faster, right? Well, this UFO was observed 767. So look at that. So is Mach 1 that right there, Doug? Yes. Okay, so Mach 1 is the speed of sound, and then every, like Mach 2 is twice the speed of sound. Do we have any, is this a stupid question? Do we have anything that goes to Mach 2? I think the Blackbird is the fastest jet that we know of, that we've ever made. The one that they made to spy on the Soviets. And I think that went Mach 3. It flies way up in the atmosphere, like at the very top, almost in space. Mach 3? That's the one that- So 2100 miles an hour plus. 22. That's the one, maybe you can look it up too, Doug. This is- Holy shit. So the Blackbird was the one that they were building at Roswell, and that was when they did the disinformation campaign. So they actually purposely made people think there were UFOs there, so that nobody thought that we were actually making- So what makes you think that all of this isn't just more misinformation? That's what I think. I mean, I think they're just trying to distract us. I don't know. Well, whatever. Kind of crazy. Look at that. It's 2100 miles an hour. Damn, that's insane. So anyway, this UFO was observed going faster than the speed of sound, zero sonic boom, which tells me, or other people I guess, or you could theorize, that it's not moving through space, but rather bending space. Right. That makes sense. So it's not going through the space as we know it. It's bending space, which is why it can move so fast and not- Well, explain that. What do you- explain that? All right, we're going to just be fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't just say some shit like that. If I had a piece of paper, I could explain this. Maybe Doug can throw me a piece of paper. It creates its own gravity. You have a piece of- like a sheet of paper. Because it's going- We're going on a science project. Okay, so because it's going so fast, it's bending time? That's for sure. Yes, no, no, no, no, no. Not because it's going so fast. That's how it travels. It bends space and moves through. So here, it passed me this piece of paper. I saw this on a movie once. It like folds. I thought this was a great explanation. This is going to be fun. Yeah, here, pass that to me. You don't need to do it. I don't need a pen. You're going to draw me a flux capacitor. All right. Get the fuck out of here with this guy. So imagine- You're just going to have to believe at him. So imagine this- this is space right here. This sheet of paper is space, right? And you want to go from here to here. So you got to move through all the space to go from here to here. This speed limit is the speed of light. Nothing fast- go faster than the speed of light. So to go from here to here, you can go as fast as you want and speed of light is theoretically as fast as you go. However, so here's one point. Here's another point. If you bend space, now the points are together. Now going from one to the other can happen instantaneously. Isn't that cool? I watched a movie on that once. I mean, that sounds cool. That's your science lesson for today. Thanks, Bill Nye. You're welcome. I don't know if that helped me get any closer to this. Really? I hope it didn't make sense to you. Well, I mean, no. Because how do they- how do they bend time? Well, I don't know, bro. Come on. These are aliens. Those are alien tech not- I wish I knew how they did this. I don't- I see it. I don't think that- You're always skeptical of shit. I am very skeptical of this bullshit. I don't- How do they make TVs? Is that really your image? I just think- I just think if we had aliens, they would have- they would have dropped in and said, what's up by now. I don't think that they're flying around. I think that we- we are- So you think there's no alien? But they have been. It's been suppressed. What do you know about the CIA? Come on, man. What do you know of the CIA? I don't know. Nothing, right? You know shit about the CIA. And a lot of this stuff that we- a lot of this stuff that we- Careful, they're listening. We know about right now, okay? That technology's been around for a long time. We're just finding out about- So you- we made the UFOs? Well, okay, if you want to call it a UFO, I think we made the whatever it is and we- That could bend space. I guess. You know, I don't- I don't- I don't subscribe there. I don't subscribe to a big fucking green head guy that's flying. That's what I think, Justin. Yeah. I think that- I mean, I kind of- What do you think? So you- I think that it's there. We found it and we're trying to reverse engineer it. You know, okay, so here's why I don't think it's humans. Because I've heard that theory and it sounds kind of cool, right? Oh, that's our technology and we're trying to hide it from the, you know, the Russians and whatever. Here's why I don't believe that. If a country- any country had the technology to do that, they would instantly be the world's superpower by so much, by so far, it would be insane. If you had that, you would- that would be it. Do you really think so? To be able to travel instantaneously anywhere. Is that more powerful than a nuke that would blow up in a fucking country? You launch a nuke from China and as it launches, your whole country is exploded because we just transported shit to your freaking door- your doorstep. Yeah, I don't- Come on, dude. Yeah, I don't know if I'm buying it. You gotta read more of this shit. No, you're gonna do some more sci-fi, dude. Put your tinfoil hats on, dude. I think it's- I think there's- you know what? There's other shit going on. Why are we still- why still when we talked about Epstein Island? That fucking just went away because all this weird shit? There's probably aliens there, too. That's what no one's talking about. Like, crazy stuff like that, I think that's crazy. And then all of a sudden, COVID male island. COVID comes around and then- and then UFOs come around and like no one- It's just distract us from Epstein's Island. Yeah, no one's talking about that anymore. Like, what happened with that? It's the cabal of Satanist, I think. Ah, I don't- you know. No, we're really getting- We're going after him. We're going hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, speaking of celebrities, you guys said- Charles Barkley, you hear his little speech on- I love Charles Barkley. That guy's great. He's on my- He literally doesn't care. He'll just say whatever. Truly believe in my heart. Most white people and black people are awesome people. But we're so stupid following our politicians, whether they're Republicans or Democrats. And their only job is, hey, let's make these people not like each other. We don't live in their neighborhoods. We're all got money. Let's make the whites and blacks not like each other. Let's make rich people and poor people not like each other. Let's- let's scramble the middle class. I truly believe that in my heart. Yeah, he's on my top three like to have dinner with. To breath the fresh air. Now, is he getting heat for what he's- He's always getting heat. That's why I love him. So he don't care. Yeah, he says whatever he wants to say and he always gets heat. Because he obviously doesn't subscribe to what, you know, half of his company or the MBA subscribes to. So yeah, no, he gets a lot of heat. Now, is he- did he say- So basically what he said for the audience does no. He essentially said, I don't know how it came up because I don't watch the whole thing. But he essentially said, both political parties, their goal is to separate everybody. They don't care. They just want everybody to hate each other so that they look like the saviors or so that they get- Yeah, and he says they're using race and class. It's black versus white. It's rich versus poor. And it's all to divide and conquer. And I mean, I don't think there's- The funny part. I don't think there's anything controversial about that whatsoever. I know. But some people- It seems pretty obvious. It's pretty straightforward. But yeah, again, it is. Coming from him, it's, I think it's, you know, people are like, whoa, I can't believe you said that. You know, and it's on national television. Yeah, well, my favorite example of that is the marketing campaign that Pepsi and Coke did in the 80s. For anybody who grew up in the 80s, you remember the Cola Wars. This was like big thing on TV. You saw, you know, it was the, you know, do the Cola challenge. And it would be like people trying Pepsi, trying Coke, but they don't know what's Pepsi and Coke. And you got to pick one. And Coke was paying for these commercials and Pepsi was paying for these commercials. And both of them were like, which one is the better Cola? Unbeknownst to people, it was agreed upon that they would do this. And it literally took share, market share away from 7-Up, Sprite, you know, everybody else because everybody thought- Put Tab out of business. That there were two choices. Oh, I'm going to pick Pepsi or Coke. And they dominated because of this. Nobody knew that this was the strategy. Speaking of companies, you see Facebook's in hot water right now. Why? Did you guys see that? The 533 million people's contact got leaked. What? Yeah, yeah. Look it up, Doug. I think, oh, just to make sure I'm on point. So they're information, like they got hacked? Yeah, yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah. I think 533 million. You know, that's pretty scary because Facebook is more informed on its users than any company or country ever because it knows everything. It knows everything about what you click on, what you like, what you comment on, what you buy. So they know a lot. Wow. Account records leaked on a hacking forum. See, that's not good. That's not good at all. I wonder who hacked it. Yeah, they let it go for free, though. They didn't even sell it. What do you mean? I mean, someone didn't sell it. They just put it out there for free. Normally, I mean, these companies are selling this stuff. You notice when you get on like, like HBO Max we were talking about, I don't know if you guys have ever noticed this. If you guys, are you guys subscribed to HBO Max? Yes, I am. Okay. So if you go to your app on your phone. Oh, it does the confirmation thing, right? Well, you have the option. And by the way, it's turned off unless you go and turn it on. So you have the option for it literally says, you know, do you want the company to have the right to be able to sell your information? And it's automatically turned on that you will let them do that unless you go into your app and actually turn it shut it off. Really? Mm-hmm. Oh, I don't like that. I'm going to cancel them immediately. I don't really care. We talk about this all the time. Does this freak anybody out? I mean, is anybody like unsubscribing because of course, of course, I want to know the statistics. Yeah, no, there's, I mean, I don't know how many people unsubscribed to Facebook after this. I mean, I saw some people outraged about it. Yeah. Because I always see people outraged, but then they're still on Facebook, still crying about whatever else is happening. You know, it's funny to me though, it's always the people, nobody gives a fuck. Nobody. That's what I mean. Nobody. You love the service so much that you're listening into your boring ass conversation. Nobody's reading your fucking emails. You know what though? Okay, so here's the deal. I don't think it's that. I think what it is, is if you have all this information on 500 million users and it's detailed, you have a very effective way of potentially, excuse me, manipulating them through targeted news and ads and stuff, which every election sees it pay attention. You're a commodity. Okay, manipulating is a strong word. You make the decision to click on that fucking ad. You sure do, but just like obesity, you introduce heavily processed food and people behave your way. Okay, well I don't want processed foods to be illegal. So it's the same difference. You make the choice to click on that. No, you're right. It's always personal responsibility. And the way I look at it is this. You don't get emotional now. I look at... Off a climp. It doesn't bother me because I prefer that when I'm on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, any of these platforms, the ads that hit me aren't like a woman's product. They're targeted. They're all things that I'm interested in. They are getting better. They are. They get me all the time now. No, they do. Products that I'm like, oh man, I do want that. They're like Star Wars underwear. I was like, damn it. How do they know me? It's solo underwears. Oh man. They do though. They're getting really... And that's really what all this is about. That's what all... These companies sell that information to other companies so they can advertise to you better. Sure. And the information that Facebook has, what's so valuable is because we go around on like a bunch of sheep liking everything. And then they know. Yeah, and then they know. I purposely like and dislike shit that's not true for me. Wow. So you get shitty ads? No, exactly. You know what I mean? I like... That's a great strategy. So speaking of hacking, there were Chinese hackers, this is coming out now, that have been hacking into people's security cameras and recording them having sex. So you have the security cameras in your house, like whatever company that you go with. They're finding videos of people having sex from the security cameras. They're capturing them and then selling them on the dark web. Wow. So people's sex videos are getting sold, but they're not obviously... Are they outdoors? I'm thinking the same thing right now. Who the fuck's putting ring in their bedroom? Yeah. Hey, look. By that time, if he's in there, you're fucked. You know what I'm saying? Hey, honey, we got to put on a show today for the neighbors. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on a second. Some people have them in their house. They have cameras in their house. Yeah, but not your bedroom. Okay. Is that the only place you have sex, Adam? Have you ever had sex in the kitchen? Dude, I'm a dad now, bro. Shut up. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure Friday you did. I'm lucky to get it in the fucking bedroom. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. What a lie, dude. Katrina's listening right now. We're not bachelors anymore on the top of the laundry room. She's never watched any more. In the fucking kitchen. Like, come on, dude. You got kids now. Are you having sex everywhere? Of course. Fucking lies. You know why? Hey, hold on. That's such a liar. Hey, hey. Hold on. You know why? Because the baby sleeps in our bedroom. I'm not talking about with your... Stuff the baby's sleeping. I'm not talking about with yourself. You know what I'm saying? I'm not talking about you sneaking away into your pantry and jerking off. I'm talking about sex, bro, with your life. You ain't having sex. The laundry room. I'm doing laundry. Don't come in. No. Sneaky dad session. People do it all over. Listen, people do it all over, and they're capturing these videos and they're freaking selling them. That's a news story, Adam. Why are you denying everything? Well, it's not that I'm denying. That's a lie. I mean, it's like two people. Well, it's a lie. This is somewhat similar, but like, so in local news, basically, you know that place, the cats, that restaurant that you drive by and everything, right? It's like a great barbecue. Yeah, a stable place, right? So during the lockdowns and everything, I guess they had been caught keeping it open, and they kept it open from the hours of like 10 o'clock at night until 5 a.m. Oh, it's like a speakeasy. Yeah, but not just a speakeasy. Apparently, they've been having adult entertainment in there. What? Yeah, this whole time. They've been having strippers and whatever else they're doing in there that's considered adult entertainment. That's like a biker bar. It's like, I bet you a bunch of Hell's Angels and stuff roll down there all the time. Every time I go by there's like 40 bikes that are parked down there. I mean, nobody's fucking with them for sure. Wow. Did they get busted or something? Yeah, it's got busted. It's like $77,000 of fine that they just got. Well, I'm sure they made more than that. I guess if you're gonna break the law, this is what happens, by the way, when you pass a bunch of laws that people don't follow. As soon as people break one law, they're more likely to break others for sure. So like, well, we're open. We're not supposed to be. Might as well get some strippers in here. Well, we should get some strippers. Well, maybe they could do other things. Then it just goes from there. We're already there. Just jump off the bat. I didn't even know that. That just went down or what? Yeah, it just went down. They cracked down. Adam didn't know that. Watch, we're going to show up. Adam, welcome back. We've got your chair for you. Dude, that is an option? Yeah. Come on, guys. That's hilarious. Got a flyer out there or something. I got some exciting sports news. This is kind of cool. What? Shut up, bro. The sports that I like. Let's hear this. Whoa, take my breath away. Yeah, I know. I'm waiting for this. No, guess what got included in the 2020-24 Olympics for the first time? My guess is Jiu-Jitsu because I was going to say, it's the only thing you know anything about. I was going to say, it wasn't. You know that they still have competitive art, like sculpting and painting. In the Olympics? In the Olympics. How the hell do you do that? How do you do that? It was like the 74, I think, is when they stopped doing it. Competitive art? Competitive art. So anyway, so now I have Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah, how the hell do you win at art? I don't know. Did you guys ever watch the Netflix, the college scam one yet? No. Oh, you guys haven't watched that? No. Oh, that's really good. Is it really? Oh, it's really good. Doug, do you know what I'm talking about? Is this the parents that get in? They got on the scandal. Yeah, I remember when the girl from Full House, she was like obviously all over the news, but it was a big scandal for a long time. And what's crazy to me, like I'm not talking about you guys, they'll watch it forever. Yeah, you just need to watch it so we could talk about it because it blew up because this one guy was doing like a side door deals and he'd been doing it for decades, getting all these kids in colleges. But the truth is colleges still do it. I mean, you still have the option, if you as a parent, if you want to donate $50 million to Harvard, for them to more likely look at your child. It's pretty, I'm pretty sure you're kidding. Wink, wink, you know, pay for this. And where he was brilliant in his defense, I know everybody's not going to like that, but what was brilliant about it was he created a side door because of all this connections relationship, so it wouldn't cost you $50 million, it cost you $500,000 or a million, you know? So he was bypassing the actual colleges and how they do it, and he was basically backdooring them because he had all these relationships with all these small teams. What reminded me of it because these funny sports you brought up, a lot of these colleges have like, you know, like Harvard had sailing. Sailing like is not profitable. It doesn't make any money whatsoever. So they let them on the sailing team, give them a scholarship type thing? Yes, and nobody checks. Nobody checks if he shows up to practice or doesn't. Your job is to fold the sail. And so he would go in with these coaches and he'd build relationships with them and be like, hey, could I get a spot on the team and I'll make sure I give the team your, and you know, you got a guy who's running sailing, he's passionate about it, he wants it to be successful, he wants it to make money for the school and be able to get all the new gear and shit, but they ain't giving him shit. Then all of a sudden you get this dude who comes around and says, hey, just give me one spot on the team, I'll get you a million dollars next year for the program and don't, you don't do anything. Just, you know, he's not going to show up to practice, just let it go. You know, if it's a private school, a private college, I mean, this is, I mean, that's just the world. It's all a hustle. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like, if you're wealthy, you can buy a better car too. You could pay for a lot of things that, you know, other people can't pay for. So, you know, I get conflicted about it. It sounds shitty because I'm sure there's regulations and stuff against that. Oh yeah, it's very illegal. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, the reality is if it's, especially if it's a private school, this is where I wanted, I really wanted you guys to see it so we could chat about this because, as a dad now, right, so there's, I feel a little bit conflicted too, like, nobody, okay, when you're rich and you help your kid do this, like, for sure everybody fucking hates those people. Yeah. But there's a side of me that goes like, God, I mean, is it that different, or is that that bad that these parents are doing everything they can to get the best life for their kids, right? Even if that means bending the rules and human nature, really. Yeah, but what kind of kid are you actually raising? Well, agreed. I mean, that's what I think the problem is, because if you do everything for your kid, you're going to raise a shitty kid. I don't disagree. You know what I'm saying? But I think there's, I think where nobody has empathy for these parents that are trying to do this, it's like, you're rich, that's your muscle, right? If you're, that's your power, that's your flex. If you got that much money, and you have a kid who, you know, their dream is to go to Princeton or Harvard or like that, do you not explore? Do you pull some strings? Right, do you not, and you have connections and relationships with the right people, and $500,000 is nothing to you to make sure your kid, and a lot of these parents, they actually didn't want their kid, they're shielding their kids from knowing. Yeah, but what's, you know what I'm saying though, think about it though, I would then shield their kids. Like, oh my God, that's disgusting. I know, I know. You're going to raise a shitty weak kid. That's really how they got caught up was the full house chick, I forget her name, whatever her name is, she has two daughters, and the second daughter was kind of like, she kind of fucked around, and they both got into UCLA, and everybody's like, How did that happen? Yeah, and that's what blew it up was because, because she was famous on Instagram. She had like a million followers, and she had makeup deal as a kid, right, 17 years old and stuff, and she's on there all the time, never studying, never talking about schooling or that, and then all of a sudden gets into UCLA. Lori Loughlin. Yeah, that's her name. Thank you, Doug. She served prison, yeah, anyway, dude, I'd be like, sorry, you're going to community college, buddy. Yeah, you know. I mean, that's the right thing to do, I'm not saying that I would necessarily do that, but I mean, everybody is like, just wanted to crucify these parents for doing things like that, and I'm just saying that I understand. I understand if you're... Everybody wants to have their kid avoid hardship and wants to take care of them. I mean, I get that, right? But I mean, when you really think about it, like, what kind of kid are you raising? That's why so many of these successful people, they have kids that are not great, they're not successful, they don't understand how to do anything for themselves, end up becoming losers, but living off mom and dad or whatever, it's because they never learned how to do it on their own. The statistic on millionaires that inherit I think is like 14%, something like that. Most millionaires are self-made. Yeah, yeah, like 80% of most millionaires were self-made, right? So they didn't inherit it beforehand. So, I mean, I would say a majority probably of these kids that step into the real world already as millionaires, they end up blowing it all anyways and then they don't end up going anywhere. Yeah, I wonder if it's like, if you inherit it, you're more likely to then do that with your kid. But if you earn it, let's say you grew up in your middle class or lower class and you built your business, I wonder if you're less likely to do that because you know the value of it. So you're like, I'm sorry. Yeah, maybe. Or you don't want your kid to go through that kind of hardship and you're conflicted by that. But I would think like some of those values would carry over. Yeah, I just think it's interesting how people get so mad and angry about it. And you just, we assume that that person is better off because they get all the money and get everything from you, which I would make the case that money isn't the answer. Getting everything you want is... No, you skip the lesson. Not only do you skip the lesson, but the way you value things is totally different. I mean, you ever watched somebody who didn't have very much come up and work really hard to get to a place and look how they take care of the little things like their car or their room? No, you're right. And by the way, the science is quite... It's quite confident in this. The science is pretty established that money... The last study that was done showed that no additional happiness was brought past about $75,000 a year. So once your needs are met, unless you're like, oh my God, I'm struggling to have a place to live, I don't have money to take care of myself, once you're past that point, which if you live in a modern society, is pretty achievable for most people. And I would imagine it looks kind of like a bell curve. I would imagine that it peaks and then the more and more and more you make, the more likely you're to be depressed and suicidal. It actually doesn't do anything for you. So once you have those needs met, there's nothing that you derive from money, what it is, and again, the science is pretty... And Arthur Brooks talks about this, this is his expertise, is your family and friends, relationship with your family and friends, do you have a job that provides you with a sense of meaning and purpose? That's important. You got to feel like you're contributing to society somehow. So it could be volunteer work, it could be a job, something that you feel like is providing purpose. And then do you have a spiritual practice? Those things right there are what bring happiness, not money. Throwing additional money or becoming more beautiful or doing that stuff, the return is almost zero with any more than that. Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you something that I'm really excited about. I don't know if you guys all know this. I think I shared it with all of you or just some of you. I see Justin's rockin' his Felix Graves. They reached out to us a couple weeks ago and we are looking into furthering our partnership where we do branded glasses with them. I thought that was really cool. They've had so much success with the show and we're obviously one of the first partners with them and they've just exploded. They're poppin' up all over the place. You know, they're in the mall down here now. Well, the thing about them, and this is a big deal, if you've never worn blue blockers, most blue blockers change the color of everything. So they're either orange or red. And if you're on electronics, if the reason why you're wearing them is so that you can be on electronics before bed, trying to block blue lights so you get better sleep, but now you got orange glasses, you're watching your movie and the whole movie is orange or whatever. And that makes a difference. It really does. Well, that was the... The Felix Graves don't change the color. That was the deal breaker for me when... I mean, I remember you were wearing the blue blockers even before we were messing with Felix Gray and I just couldn't get behind it as much as you swore up and down, like what a difference it made on your sleep and you felt so much better. I just... I could not put them on and I watched television at night. I mean, I watched my favorite shows and it distorts all of it. And I care about that stuff. There's a reason why I spend that much money on a stupid TV. So I get like this crazy crystal clear picture. You throw an orange lens over it and it ruins that experience. Yeah, have you tried eating... I tried eating food with the orange lenses and it makes your food not nearly as enjoyable. You forget how much of the... The association with the colors. 100%. It's a part of making food palatable. But in fact, it might be a good strategy to make you eat less. Put on some red or purple glasses or whatever. Eat your food to probably end up eating less. Dude, that reminds me of when Ketchup, when they came out with like... It was orange and a black thing and it failed. Oh, big time. Who wants to put black? It looks like something rancid. You just squirted on your hot dog. Yeah, what about... Was it clear, Pepsi clear? That didn't sound good. I like that too, though. Really? As a kid, don't you remember that? I mean, I thought it was cool as a kid. I liked it just because Van Hagar was all singing about it. Oh, you won. Yeah, they got you with the advertising. Yeah. Hey, real quick, before we get to the questions, if you love the podcast, you'll love our written content. Head over to mindpumpfree.com and download some of our free guides. They're awesome. Rewrote them ourselves. Go check them out. All right, enjoy the rest of the podcast. All right, our first question is from Silverall Training. What are your thoughts on the afterburn effect of exercise, a.k.a. epoch? Do you really burn a lot more calories after a hit workout compared to what one would burn during a low-intensity, steady-state cardio workout? Did I share the article with you guys? I think he did. I did. Didn't I share it on the show? So just like a couple weeks ago, I think it was Men's Health. I want to say it's Men's Health that came out with it. Doug, in fact, checked me. They were hammering Orange Theory about this. In fact. Because that was our big selling point. Yeah. In fact, Orange Theory has changed a lot of their marketing because of that, which, ironically, if you go back, if you've been listening to mine pump long enough, this was the bone that I had to pick with them way back when I was working with them was we came in. And of course, just like typical companies start working with them, they have their whole training process. And I'm in there with a lot of these like green trainers and they're talking about, you know, epoch and how amazing it is. And I'm sitting back there going like, really? Come on, dude. We've already, we've already dispelled this. It's not even that. That's not that big of a difference. It's minuscule. Yeah, but they had built at that time, their entire hype was around these, the benefits of epoch and like how revolutionary it was. And so they had, they had the first few years that they had came out, they had marketed to this quite a bit. And they've already redacted a lot of the stuff that they were saying before because of this. And Men's Health came out not that long ago. Oh, there it is right there. Came out not long ago and was right. It was just about a month ago. So they came out and they've been hammering them over this. And so, yeah, the answer is no, the epoch is, I think it was in the 70s or 80s when it first came out and when they first started doing studies around it. It's negligible. I mean, we're splitting hair difference on the benefits of that. And so when you hear people talk about it, it makes me chuckle. It's based on a false paradigm of fitness. And that's the, this paradigm that the benefit of exercise comes from the calorie burn while you do the exercise. This is a false paradigm, right? So people think, okay, we learned a long time ago that in order to lose weight, you need to create what's called an energy imbalance. In other words, you take in less calories than you burn or vice versa, right? Burn more calories you take in. That means your body has to tap into fat in order to make up the difference. And you lose weight. So the paradigm was created that, oh, in that case, let's exercise a lot, burn more calories. That's gonna be a very effective strategy for fat loss. It's a terrible strategy, never works for the following reasons. Number one, you don't burn that many calories when you exercise. I don't care how hard you work out, you're gonna burn maybe in an hour, 400 calories, 500 calories. You may think, oh, that's a lot of calories. No, it's not. 400 or 500 calories, you could eat and five, you could drink that in five minutes. It's not much. It doesn't make that. That's why it's a losing strategy. It's a losing strategy. So, and here's the other part. If you're constantly trained to just burn calories, your body does a very good job of adapting, slowing down its metabolism in many different ways, even affecting the rest of your activity throughout the day to balance it out. So, what ends up happening is you burn 500 more calories a day. Let's say you work out every single day, real hard for an hour. What you find over time is your body actually balances out and you stop burning those extra calories. Here's the paradigm that you want to focus on, okay? You want to focus on this paradigm. What kind of adaptations is this exercise causing to my body and then what are those adaptations? What do they do for me? What's the benefit? Yeah, what's the carryover? That's it. So, if I'm training for endurance, what are the adaptations? Well, I get more efficient with calorie burn, which means you burn less calories. I build more stamina. That could be good if I'm an athlete or whatever. What about resistance training? Lifting weights doesn't burn a ton of calories, but what it does is it, through the process of strength and muscle building, it actually speeds up the metabolism. So, epoch, although it is splitting hairs, like Adam said, doesn't burn that many more extra calories, it's built on a false paradigm. So, forget your calorie burn during your workout. That is not important at all. Look at what adaptations your exercise is causing. Well, even forget the after, because that's what it stands for, right? It's post-workout that they try and tout. Is that okay? You burn more calories. Yeah, yeah. If your body, you know, would burn on it, let's just say for hypothetical reasons, it's 2,000 calories a day. When you do HIIT training, it burns 2,300 calories, in addition to what you burn. And that, one, they're inflated numbers and they're false. Big time. And not to mention, too, and we talk about this on the show all the time, that no matter what modality of training that you are doing, the body adapts to that. And so, any of the- It's novel. It's a novel stimulus that your body is responding to right away. And yes, there's probably that benefit that you see with an extra amount of calorie burns, but that's a limited window. Your body's going to get very adapted to that and then start, you know, slowing down the metabolism as a result. Yeah, so here's the paradigm you want with exercise. Does this improve my health? Is it improve my fitness? Those are important. And also, is this going to get my body to change in a way that's going to cause my metabolism to speed up? So that I burn more calories all the time. Not requiring an hour of intense exercise. But a form of exercise that does that is traditional resistance training. So if your goal is fat loss or weight loss or maintain a lean body like most people, then focus on the adaptation. Don't focus on the calorie burn during or even after the exercise. Next question is from Lorraine Fighting Fit. Since listening to you guys, I'm trying to cut down on cardio. I always do resistance training anyway, but how much cardio is enough for healthy heart, lungs, et cetera? I don't want my cardio to affect my resistance training, but I want to do enough to keep healthy. There's a lot to unpack with this particular question. So number one, cardiovascular activity done appropriately is good for you. It's good for your health. So I don't want to give away the message that it's a waste of time or whatever. There's nothing wrong with it. It's good for you. Now the question is about hearts and lungs and, you know, the benefits there. The truth is that he's actually shown this. Resistance training is just as beneficial for the heart as cardiovascular activity. Where cardio is superior to resistance training is in building stamina and endurance. If you want stamina and endurance, more stamina and endurance, then you'll get through resistance training, you then you can add cardiovascular training. Now that being said, for most people, you'll get plenty of endurance and stamina through resistance training, especially if you cut your rest period short and you do supersets. But if you're somebody that wants more athlete levels of stamina and endurance, then go ahead and do the cardio. What's too much? This is very independent. This is very, very dependent on the individual. What's too much for one person is enough for another, just like resistance training. So for most people, if your goal is just overall health, I would say 30 minutes a day of some kind of cardio is probably great. It's probably going to benefit your health. Well, here's the thing. Training for health is one thing. Training for fat loss is another thing. And I think this is where this message gets mixed up with us, like, you know, that people think that we're anti-cardio. Listen, if you are in a healthy weight and you're happy where you are, body fat percentage, you don't feel you need to lose any more body fat, do as much cardio as you want. I mean, if you can get up every day and you enjoy going for a run every morning, by all means, that's very healthy and it'd be great. What we speak to, because like the number one thing that everybody wants to do is to lose body fat, it's a losing battle to go after it through cardio. That is the message. So if you're at where you want to be and you've done it through resistance training and dieting and you got to the body type or size or body fat percentage that you want, do as much cardio as you like. I mean, if you enjoy doing it, do it every day. So long as it's appropriate, right? You don't want to over-train or overdo it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, why would you, though? If you're just doing it for health purposes, do how much you enjoy, you know what I'm saying? If you're doing it for health purposes, and you like to go for a half hour run or an hour run every day, then go for it. I like to just promote that there's other options out there. And I think that people will hear that and so they'll just think to get on a treadmill and just walk or run and do the same repetitive thing over and over and over again when it's actually going to be more beneficial for your body to move in a lot of different ways and to be more active overall. There's so many other joints in your body that need to be expressed and need to be moved. So that way we avoid pain and we avoid these arthritis and things that happen as a result of this repetitive stress. We just lock ourselves in these positions. So that's why I just want to promote a little bit different message around cardio that there's other ways to get the same result, but you just have to be more active throughout. Yes, and I'm so glad you said that. The best form of cardio for most people is walking. And here's why. It's not because walking is superior for stamina or endurance. It's because walking is the one skill that most people still possess. Most people still walk. So you can go for a walk and you're not going to have absolutely terrible biomechanics and whatever. Most people, this is the truth now, most people in modern societies don't have the skill of running. Sorry. Now, we evolved to run. Humans actually evolved to be amazing runners. But that does not mean that you can run well. If you stop running at any point in your life, if you haven't run every day forever, like most people, you're in your 20s or 30s and you're like, ah, the last time I ran consistently was when I was, you know, 10, just lacing up your jogging shoes, going for a run. It's misleading. You think it's easy. Oh, you just go for a run. It's not a big deal. Running is very technical. It's a very technical movement. And if you haven't done it a long time, you don't run properly, especially if you run to fatigue. Now you're going to go outside and run until you're tired. You're going to run terribly. And this is why, by the way, studies will show this, the number one form of exercise that causes chronic pain and injury is running. It's exactly what Justin was saying. That repetitive motion over and over again in which you don't do it well. So I'm so glad you brought that up. So walking is the best form of cardio for most people. And then if you want to do more intense forms, treat it like a skill. Don't treat it like a workout. Next question is from RC Legs. Is working out barefoot a good idea? Is there any preparation that needs to be done before doing so? Well, definitely. Yeah, working out barefoot is a great idea. However, if you never are barefoot and you never work out barefoot, just taking your shoes off and going and doing it barefoot, you're probably going to cause problems because you've adapted to your shoes. You've developed biomechanics based on your shoes and going out and loading yourself with your bare feet. Your feet are probably weak. They don't move well. They're probably not very stable. And then you'll cause some problems. So you want to slowly ease yourself into barefoot training. So what it looks like is you drop the load way down. Maybe you have your workout barefoot or some exercises barefoot. Maybe get minimalist type shoes. So just reduce the sole or get something that's a little more flat and flexible. Yeah, you got to look at it in incremental ways to address this, to really bring yourself down to that place where you feel like you're stabilized properly. So even just the very first step of taking your shoes off when you get home and walking around the house, barefoot, more consistently before you start loading them with weight would be a good start. And that's how I started. So we talked a lot about barefoot training early on in the podcast. And I really had never done it, never prioritized it. And I really didn't see the importance of it until we had met Dr. Brink. We hung out. And as I want to see what his toes are doing, you can see his left toe is worse than his right toe. He's going to pronate a little bit more on his left side versus his right side. So that means his foot's flattening. His foot is flattening, correct. So yeah, so he's going to create a little internal rotation of this entire left leg a little bit more on his right side. So this may affect him when he's wanting to run if he was to run or just basic walking, squatting. You know, any motion that's going to create movement through the hip is now going to cause some of those issues. Makes perfect sense. It all starts from the ground up. I saw that a lot of my dysfunction was stemming from my weak ass feet and poor ankle mobility. Weak ass feet. Yeah, I had weak ass feet. And I had, yeah, poor ankle mobility. And so that complete, I mean, it shattered my paradigm. And then from that moment on, I decided, OK, I'm going to strengthen my feet. I'm going to work on my ankle mobility. And what that looked like was not me right away going barefoot and then doing my regular workout all barefoot. It started with me just walking outside every day for 10. So I walked mazzi and well, Bentley back then twice a day and I would just take, I would do barefoot now. I never used to do that before. And so I just start by a 10 minute walk twice a day walking barefoot. And then I started working on the ankle mobility because here's the thing too. You got to keep in mind, probably one of the more limiting factors with working out barefoot is squatting, right? So doing anything where you have to drop down into a squat, most people have limited ankle mobility and the heel rise helps us all out. So, and depending on how thick of shoes that you wear, when you squat down and you are barefoot, you got to have really good ankle mobility in order for you to get all the way down into a full squat. Otherwise, you're going to see a deviation. Most likely, you'll start to see the feet start to collapse inward. So if you notice that, then don't just work out through that. You need to address the issue, which is the lack of ankle mobility and then the strengthening of the feet. So the other thing I'd start to do is, waking up, there's 7,000 nerves that end up in our feet. And so before I'd start even going on walks or training them, I'd roll on a lacrosse ball and I'd put the lacrosse ball in the center and I'd try and articulate my toes and kind of wake up all those muscles that are in your feet before you go in and lift heavy weight on them. So progress slowly and make it a habit every single day and then you can start to progress it into your work. Yeah, we really need to understand that so much of what we do is based off of our body's ability to do those things and if you don't ever do it, you don't have the ability and you need to respect that. You know, there was that book that came out, I don't know how long ago, it was 15 years ago and it was like this barefoot running book and it took the running world by storm. This guy went and studied these cultures that ran all the time. So there was like this born to run. I think that might have been it, right? And he watched them run and all these cultures, he was in Ethiopia and he was in different parts of the world and he's watching them run and they're running up until they're in their 70s but they run all the time since they're kids and they're all barefoot and he filmed how the foot struck the ground and moved and he realized that when these people ran because they ran barefoot, they struck the ground four foot first and then heel. So like the ankle and the foot is this big shock absorber. When we run with big padded heeled running shoes, we go heel first. So we lose the shock absorbing effect of the foot and the ankle. So he wrote this big thing and said, oh my God, running barefoot is the way to go. It's the way we were supposed to run. So a bunch of people are like beautiful, threw their shoes away, went running barefoot, ended up with a lot of injuries and problems because they'd never run that way. So you got to respect it and take your time but once you get there, then it's pretty amazing. Next question is from Junin87. I have days where I just straight up don't get hungry even if I worked out. Should I force feed myself to get my proper caloric or macro intake or just listen to my body and stomach and not eat as much? This reminds me, we just had a question about like, and remember we talked about the whole clock thing and I was bringing up how time is like this made up thing that we all made up. All right. This is an example of how this... We got philosophical. Did we really? I mean, the point... Time doesn't work as well for you. Well, it isn't, right? It's something that we have made up. It's an illusion. It's something that we have made up. We've created these 24-hour days, seven days a week, but the truth is like your body doesn't know the difference. And if you're not hungry, it's not a big deal if you don't eat. I bet you the next day you're going to be a lot more hungry than you were before. Now that being said, if you find that this is a problem and your health is suffering as a result, your underweight nutrient intake is low, look at your health. Poor appetite, in the way I'm talking about it, not a normal appetite where sometimes you eat more, sometimes you eat less, but rather a poor appetite that's actually affecting your health, like I said, with your nutrient intake and your underweight and all that stuff, there's an underlying cause. Poor appetite is a very strong signal that something is not right. It could be a hormone imbalance. It could be gut health issues. It could be mental or psychological. Oftentimes, people are... There's a tremendous amount of stress or anxiety that they might not even be aware of or maybe you are, and that'll strongly affect your appetite. So you could also be overtraining. One of the signs of overtraining is actually loss of appetite. You work out too much, you'll find that your appetite... In fact, when I would train clients, there were three signs I would look for that would tell me that we were on the right track. One was easy, are you getting stronger? If you're getting stronger, that's phenomenal. The other one, if your appetite's going up, my clients would tell me, oh, man, I'm hungrier. I feel like I'm hungrier. That's a good sign. And then the third one was libido. The libido would go up. And I knew if those three things hit, we were doing great. So poor appetite can be a sign that there's some underlying issue, in which case I would recommend you go see a functional... Can, but I would say that wouldn't you agree that this is probably a smaller percentage? I think a majority of people... Yeah, this person might be one of those people that's like, I gotta pack on muscle. I need to eat this many calories, but I'm not hungry enough to eat it. Yes. In which case, you're just not listening to your body. And honestly, that was... And I like talking, speaking to this, because I struggled with this for so many years. Being a kid that was insecure about being skinny, I wanted to be more muscular and put muscle on. And I knew what... I figured out what my macro targets were. And if I did not get there, or I was at the end of the day and I was missing my macro targets, I was stuffing my face with peanut butter jelly sandwiches. Yeah, it was a chore just to try and get the calories in. Because I thought if I didn't do it, then all that hard work I did the previous weeks to build muscle, it would start falling off my body right away. Yeah. And your metabolism doesn't work that way. It does not want to burn up and use muscle tissue. So you do not have to worry about if you have a day or two where you miss macro targets, that you're going to lose your gains or lose muscle. And more than likely, that appetite will come back up within 24 to 48 hours. Yeah, if you don't have a roaring appetite, I would look into your training protocol and really assess whether or not that's promoting something that's going to get you in a healthy place where your metabolism should want to rev up a bit. Yeah, boy, is this really dependent on who you're talking to, doesn't it? I know. Oh, yeah. You're speculating. What Adam's talking about is totally different and I 100% agree. If you're that guy or girl and then I'd say, just listen to your body. I think you're overdoing it. You're overthinking it. If you have underlying health issues and you really do have a poor appetite, then it's a totally different conversation. So it really does depend on who you are. Look, go over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our free guides. If you love our content on the podcast, you'll love our written content, lots of free information, mindpumpfree.com. You can also find us all on Instagram. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin, me at Mind Pump Salon, Adam at Mind Pump Adam. Literally, this is no joke. I know there's a lot of books written on the obesity epidemic and how to solve it and they're like, all these complicated. Literally, this is it right here. If people just reduce their heavily processed food and take down about 10% of their diet, so 10% of your diet or less heavily processed food, that's it. Eat like you want to, enjoy your food.