 It's the final three days! Oh man, I can't do that without Justin. I don't have it. I don't have it, man. I don't have it. Well, what's three days left for? It's just, bro, the end of the biggest sale that we have ever done in mine pump history. Well, you're just giving away some crazy shit. You get a lot of free stuff. You actually get three things for free. You get the No BS 6-Pack formula for free. You get the Fasting Guide for free and the Nutrition Guide for free, which by the way, the Nutrition Guide is going to be revised. No big deal. Just save me like $200 or something. Yeah. So when you get the Nutrition Guide, you'll get the update for free as well. So it's all free. And the way you get them is you enroll in one of our most popular bundles, either the RGB bundle, which includes MAPS anabolic, MAPS performance, and MAPS aesthetic. It's basically nine months of exercise programming, all spelled out for you, or you take it a step further and you do the MAPS Super Bundle, which includes those three programs plus MAPS Prime, which has a compass test in it that helps you assess your body, identify imbalances, and design your own priming program that you do before your workouts. It also includes MAPS Anywhere, which is our no equipment required workout program. It's a great bridge between workouts. So if you've been working out for three months with weights, do a month of maps anywhere, go back to weights, watch what happens. So enrolling those two programs, you will get, again, No BS 6-Pack formula, Fasting Guide or Nutrition Guide, absolutely for free. You can find them at mindpumpmedia.com. And don't forget, there's only three days left. Go check it out. I'm actually super, super excited about this are going to be our first Paleo FX, legit excited because every time you've brought up Paleo FX, you say it's your favorite like event that you go to. Fitness event all year, right? Yeah. No bullshit. Like this, this event has been, is every time I've been, it's changed my life in, you know, in different ways every time. It's a major statement. It is. I mean, from networking to just the information that's shared there, like any time you get that many influential people in one place sharing information, and it's extremely accessible to the masses via live stream and being present there, on top of the business leaders that are also sharing their story there, like if you go in there with an open mind and are really engaging, you can get so much out of Paleo FX. I'm so proud to say that some of our boys are representing there too. The Rob Wolf, the Ben Greenfields, Mike Salemi, that's some MP family right there out there representing Paleo FX, man. Yeah, man. How often do you get all those guys in one place at one time, you know, sharing their most up-to-date research and what they're working on right now? Like Rob's new book, YRD, I cannot wait to get my hands on that, and I've got to slam it out before Paleo FX. People are saying such good things about that book, by the way. But a question, is this one, is this one of those conventions where it's just lots of information, or is it those conventions where it's just lots of fun, or is it both? Like what do you expect going to Paleo FX? Well, they give you so many options, right? So it's going to be similar to Burning Man, like it can be whatever you wanted to do. Whoa. None that extreme. I just sold the fuck out of it. Awesome. So there is, I mean, they talk about, you know, evolutionary psychology. They talk about you have the ability to go do like natural movement classes, breathwork classes, yoga classes. But then if you're an entrepreneur and you want to be there to learn more about what's going on in the space, you can meet all the Very cool. So you can introduce the trends and research that's cutting edge. Exactly. And how people are growing their brands in the modern landscape, which we know in the social media world changes constantly. So what's moving, what's, you know, you're going to see like last year there was a ton of like kind of Paleo baking goods there, right? Well, this year I have, I predict there's going to be a lot of bone broth companies there. There was very few of that. So where are the trends at? What's the current science behind that? What's driving these trends? That's all super important. And everyone's really, everybody's really accessible. How do you like, how do you navigate? So are there like all these like little rooms that are running like private little things? Is there a front main stage where one person is speaking to everybody? So there's, there's multiple stages. So there's going to be panels and speakers. There's a stage upstairs and they may have changed this since last year, but they have a big keynote stage downstairs in the very back. They have a stage upstairs that's a medium size and they have like a panel stage in the main conference area and the conference area is kind of like a big square of all kinds of different businesses and food and organizations and whatever, which is fucking awesome. And right in the middle of that is like kind of your, your strength, the conditioning or moving floor. Now we, we got tickets for free because Justin sent nude, nude photos to the people that organized this, but what would it cost? He took a lot of courage. He said baby dick. What would it? Hold on, hold on a second. What does it cost? It is, it is like a baby. A baby donkey dick. No, no, ruin my joke. I wasn't saying nine pounds, two ounces. Anyway. So yeah. I got you back, Justin. Where do you sign up? Where do you sign up for it? Like, where can people find it? Well, first of all, when's it happening? So it's May 19th to the 21st, Austin, Texas. It's in Austin. Austin's a great town. And I will say Austin's a great town. And usually you, sometimes you go to these events and it's like in a cool town, but it's often the fucking middle of nowhere. It is downtown Austin. One of the most beautiful parks that we have is around the Palmer Center. So you're not only getting like to go to Austin, you get to really experience Austin. You can walk to a lot of awesome bars and restaurants that are right there. A lot of gorgeous humans over there. It's okay. Yeah, I do. And great barbecue too. Great barbecue, great Tex-Max or Mexican food, interior Mexican food. You know, if you guys want, we can do a, when we get down there, we can go and drop in and just talk about all the restaurants that we get to, where you should check out. Oh yeah. If you make it, reach out to me and I'll help you out with some restaurant recommendations. Excellent. So how do they sign up? How do they go to this? How do they buy tickets? PaleoFX.com So it's Paleo-P-A-L-E-O-F, the letter F. X, the letter X.com. Fucking extreme. Beautiful. If you guys, if you guys want to see the mind pump crew hang out with us, come say hi. We'll be in a booth with you for a while. We'll be in a booth, but we'll also be up on the balcony doing some podcasts. We'll be all over the place. We'll be walking around with Ben Greenfield a little bit, too, right? Yeah, well, we'll be at Ben Greenfield. Mike Bledsoe and Barbell Shrug. We'll be hanging out with those guys, too. It'll take you Fletcher and the guys over at Caveman Coffee if they get to make it down. Yeah, talk to Tate too. Those guys are supposed to come around. I was trying to grab Rob, but Rob is like, he's got so many things lined up. Rob is essentially like a Jesus at this event. He's just everywhere and he's trying to hide. He runs around. But yeah, it's cool. There's so much. He is paleo. Looking forward to it. Big time. Make sure you guys come say hi if you guys are there. If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Connor. Oh my God. Connor, how you doing, bro? You're sitting in... Justin's chair. Can I tell you something right now? Two things. Two things. Number one, our boy Justin's very sick right now. We're just going to send him some positive vibes. I'm sure he's okay, but positive vibes are important. His beauty is guts out, bro. He's feeling good, man. Yeah. It's probably an STD is what I'm thinking. A flare-up. Yeah. No, all joking aside. I hope he's going to be okay. I'm sure he will be. He's strong like a moose. But number two, you are sitting in the probably the most magical chair in this entire room. I feel it. Yeah. I was in here yesterday, too, but now I'm feeling like this chair has some serious, serious power. Can you feel the... What is it that's in there? Mojo. Is it Mojo? It's like Mojo... Does it make you want to sing? I don't think it has a name. I don't think it can be put into words. The feeling that I'm feeling right now. Well, right now where your balls are resting is where Justin's balls are resting. And he has magnificent balls. That's at least... Was it? Yeah. Connor, do we know... So you're touching the same area? Do we know when your... When is your podcast supposed to launch? What's the projected date? It's supposed to launch so we would like to have it submitted to iTunes by next Friday. Okay, so... So that would be the... But that would... Okay, just you know how long that takes, right? It takes... Would it take Doug another week or two after that? About a week or two after that, yeah. So we're looking at like... Is that how long it took? Do you remember, Doug? Yeah, it was a couple of weeks. Couple of weeks afterwards. I'll call... I got a long time ago. So it's actually gotten shorter now. It's like three to four days sometimes. Really? But sometimes it can take 10. I'll call... Who told you that? The internet. The internet. Oh, here it's on the internet. It must be... See, Adam? A forum somewhere. I got another one of me on here, bro. Another one of these... Oh, I found it on Google. It must be true. Fucking it. Well... Right, just what I need today. Well, I'm so... I'm really glad and I'm so anxious to get it out. But we have, what, 12 episodes now? Oh, well... Yeah, we're cranking, man. We're still doing the work. You're going to release ours as one of the primary... That's the big one. It'll be the first four that you've released yet. It'll be the debut. This is the first time people are hearing about it. What's the name of your podcast? So the Pleasure Monkey podcast is my new thing. What's the podcast going to be about? Sounds inappropriate. Monkeys and Pleasure. A little bit. So essentially what we are as human animals is just pleasure seeking machines. Who came up with that stupid name? That dude had to listen to the podcast to find out. The full story is there and it definitely does not disappoint. Wait a minute. So we're pleasure seeking machines? Yeah. We chase dopamine spikes. We want... It's essentially how we build our lives around how we can achieve pleasure and fulfillment. But the real challenge is understanding what truly pleasure is to you and what components of your life give you satisfaction, give you fulfillment, give you pleasure. And if you can identify those and invest heavily in those, you can live a more pleasurable life. Some people get stuck in the not-pleasure part but stay away from pain. Yeah. And that puts you in kind of a scarcity mindset. Does this explain why I roll over first thing in the morning and I check how many people liked my picture from last night? It could be. That could be a fleeting pleasure seeking action for sure. Okay. Yeah. It pretty much sets my day. Let's give Adam a psychological breakdown with that. What's wrong with him? Why does he do that? Well, when your phone vibrates or makes a buzz... If I have less than 250 likes over the night while I sleep, it will ruin my day. Really? Just miserable all day long. All day. That's super unhealthy. Could you imagine? I feel a lot of people give a fuck about that, bro. I know. It was not allowed to say... I don't know the breakdown. That's just not good. Look, he's like, is he serious right now? I need to help him right now. Our boy over here, does he really connect with that? Adam goes through and he clicks on every person that liked his picture and he looks at their profile and he's just like, oh, thank you. Thank you so much for that. I think he looks at their photo and says, you're welcome. You're welcome, baby girl. He says that to the mirror. I caught him the other day. He was looking at the mirror and he's like, you're welcome world. And then you walked away. So we've had you here for four days, three, four days now. How have you enjoyed your time here? Staying over at my place. Give a little rundown what's been like for you over here. Katrina cooks really well. She's great food. She's not joking around. It's been a great time. I mean, just soaking up because you guys are two years ahead of launch. You guys, and you all have put together some things. It's nice to be around people that can help me kind of overstep some mistakes that were inevitable in the launch process. And being able to have these conversations, listen through podcasts that I've had recorded, get feedback. That's been so valuable and valuable. So I really appreciate you guys having me down. It's been awesome. You've got a lot of natural talent. Is that really what it is? Yeah. You've got a lot of natural talent for reals. Are you fishing for more? No, no. Really? I don't know. The word talent is always a funny thing. Well, what I mean by that is you suck less than we did when we started. Well, let me ask you a question. Have you always been a talker and charismatic? I didn't have a choice, to be honest with you. So it kind of came from that. What the fuck does that mean? Of course you have a choice. We're seeking pleasure and validation and a lot of time inclusion. So that's where if I expand on that idea, I grew up as kind of like a fat, awkward dude. You were fat? Yeah. Really? And awkward? Yeah. That's weird. I would never guess that. So you look for what a lot of people call social currency. So if you're really good at sports and that is how you make friends at an early age, that's your social currency. That's your value. If you're playing the guitar, whatever it is, if you're funny. So what you'll find if you look back in your childhood is you probably had a thing that helps you make friends. And for me, I was kind of out of desperation like figuring that out. And I've reflected on that through some meditation and other sources and just kind of figuring out, oh, like I was super loud. I would say things that were somewhat either like taboo or obnoxious because that was fun at a young age. And that got the attention that I needed and that helped me make friends. So that kind of kept that loud and that turned it which spun into as I got older into like a quote unquote charismatic personality. So you developed it. Because I honed that kind of extraversion into something else. Well, let me ask you this. How do you recharge? Let's say you're just you're tired. You're feeling kind of down. Do you recharge by going out and being on alone or do you like to be around people? Be around as many people as possible. That's an extrovert. So that's an extrovert. I'm a pure extrovert. And there's times where like I'll have to go if I'm, if it gets, do I get too busy in my head and then I'll have to go by myself. Sure. I go by myself to wind down. How long did it take you to put that together that you were? Hang out with Mike Butzo like three times. Oh, so it was later? It was later on in life? Yeah. Butzo's been a great mentor with for me. So we spent a lot of time together for a couple of years just by happenstance and did a lot of work together. So having that guy around and he's been on the old show before great episode. That was great episode we were listening to today really helped me understand what extroversion was identifying things within myself because he was he was in the same business. I looked up to him and had had he had had similar kind of experiences and was just trying to make it all. We were all trying to make it all make sense at the same time. Yeah. It's really cool to see people who are into fitness or into the wellness fitness health performance, you know, that whole umbrella who are also smart, self aware, growth minded people because unfortunately or fortunately fitness is so visually driven that a lot of the leaders in fitness, that's all they are. And I don't necessarily think maybe that's because that's who they are, but maybe that's because they that's all they develop. They know that that's what the business is. And so you don't meet a lot of I think maybe that's one of the meat head stereotype comes from. Absolutely. And, you know, meeting guys like Bledsoe and you blows that stereotype away. You should see it's funny. You know, me and Adam have talked about this several times. We will interview a scientist or a doctor or a researcher or an author and you can tell you right away the guys that don't listen to mind pump. So they're like, okay, they see our press, we send them a press report or whatever press package media kit, media kit. There you go. So it sees like, it can see how many downloads or whatever. And they just said, okay, this show is, you know, it's got some reach. So I'm going to be on the show and they have no idea really what it's about. They just know it's in the fitness category. And when they see us, you can tell right away. They're like, okay, meat heads, idiots. But within 20 or 30 minutes, they're like, oh, shit, we're having fun, having great conversations on different topics. And it's, you know, I understand that because being in the fitness industry, you don't see that, you don't see that that often. Like there's not a lot of guys like you and like Bletzo. It stands out when you meet them. It stands out quite a bit. Yeah. I think a lot of times you probably got, you, you may not notice this, you probably have better interviews because they come in thinking they already understand what kind of person you're going to be. They kind of put you in a category based on just, you know, snap judgments. And when you throw them off a little bit, you probably catch them off guard and get some really great responses. Dude. I used to do the same thing when I was coaching CrossFit. That's why I say that because I would, I would understand, I had looked at myself objectively probably like 25 or 26 and understood like I was feeling these classes up and I was doing great. And I was like, why is that? And it was just because, and I started to really unpack it. And I looked at myself as like how other people saw me. I took a step outside myself and was like, I look like a, you know, I'm six forward. I did CrossFit. I had long hair. I was like, it was just, I played this kind of character. I played up this kind of bro character. And I also had spent the time and put the work in to, to understand people's emotional intelligence, what it's, you know, to try to understand the whys behind why they're even in the gym in the first place, aside from what they, the reason they think they're in the gym, which is very rarely the case, the reason they're actually there. And it's funny because you can actually get deeper, faster with people if you kind of initially seem to be what they think that you are and then surprise them down the road. Well, think about that. It's just like when you go to the movies, right? There's nothing is worse than somebody telling you how amazing a movie is before you go see it. Exactly. And it lets you down. But if someone tells you like, eh, it wasn't very good. I'm not, you know, you're not, and then you, but you still want to go watch it because it's a movie you're interested in and you go watch it and you're like, fucking hey, that was a great movie because you expected it to be shitty. Exactly. And then it impressed you. It's easy to, it's easy to impress people and come across as real smart when they think you're stupid at first. Yeah. Way better way to say what exactly the same thing I just said. This is part of, this is part of our strategy. Yeah, like if people, if we're like, hey, we're three scientists, you know, they could then they'd leave and be like, those guys are idiots, you know. Or if you come off like you're over compensating like, oh, I know I look like a meathead, but like let me tell you all the things that I know. Like immediately that's going to put people off too. Because then you're, then you're threatening there. Now that's, there's something a good like helpful tip right there is I, I remember, I felt that I felt myself doing that. I remember telling the boys this when we first start, like our first like really like intelligent like authors and scientists that were coming on the show, like I'd be the first one to admit that there's this little bit of an intimidation. Like those guys are fucking brilliant, you know. Most of them got 15, 20 years on me, really, really intelligent dudes. So I, I always, and I knew that they were already kind of judging us or even if they weren't judging us, I knew that we probably came off as meathead guys. So I felt like the first half of the podcast, I'm like having to like sell myself or when they first came and we're like, literally before we even light the mics up, I'm like, like rattling off our accolades and who we are and what we do. I'm like, I fucking hate that. I was like, well, I got to stop doing that. I found myself doing that a lot when we first started because of that. It took a while before we all settled in and realized like everybody's fucking human. You know what I'm saying? Like these guys, that's brilliant. And the more brilliant somebody is, I find that that's their scope becomes more narrow. Like when you're, when you have like this, when you're like these super intellects, the guys that are like working for NASA or just brilliant, brilliant minds, they tend to be just super brilliant in that, in that realm. And then their, their spectrum is not quite as wide as some other people. I've met more people that are just kind of easy going down to earth, maybe not as brilliant, but then have a much wider spectrum. So you start to realize that everybody's fucking human. Yeah. And, and you know, it's, it's funny. It's like when you're, you know, we all know people like that, right? People who are not your typical cool or charismatic or whatever, you know, you would, you would consider those things, but they're just confident with who they are. And so they're magnetic. You know what I'm saying? Like you'll, you'll be taught. Like I had, I've had several friends where I would go out and these are people who they don't dress cool. They're not super attractive or nothing spectacular about them, but then we go to the bar or restaurant or whatever. And they're just so comfortable with who they are. They just attract like, like, like magnets. They attract people. And it was because they were very comfortable with, with themselves. Is it because they bought bottle service or? Throw money everywhere. No, it's just because they're come, they're really comfortable with, with who they are. And you know, when, when you have to, when you're trying to sell yourself, people see it, they sense that, they sense that you're not comfortable. It makes, it makes the whole environment uncomfortable. You know? And that's something even recently, and I always put myself in challenging situations is I was laying on a towel with like a few of my friends and we're just shooting the shit. And I was like, man, I don't have to try to do anything right now. This is, I was just present in the moment. I mean, this feels really nice. Like I'm just out by the creek and, you know, and in Austin and it was like, man, I was like, I felt like I'd been trying, I was kind of exhausted from having to try so hard for certain, some things for such a long time. It was the first moment that I realized like how, how nice it is to just, to just be and not have to worry about anything else. Well, listen here, you're already talking too much because you're in, you're in Justin's seat and you're overstepping your boundaries right now. You're responsible for one liners and making, yeah. Making good music. Yeah. Making sure you make fun of me when I make words up. That's the only thing you're supposed to do. Unless I look at you. So Doug, what's up? Bring on the fucking birds. Step right up all you bearded men and all you bearded ladies. This Quas brought to you by Big Top Beard Company whose all natural beard oil products not only make your beard smell amazing but feel amazing too. Their organic essential oil blends transport you to manly places like the mountains, the desert, the sea and beyond all while encouraging a lot of beard nuzzling to boot. Buy it for yourself or as a gift for that special bearded someone from Big Top Beard Company dot com. Enter the discount code MIMEPUM for 33% off at checkout. Alright, our first question is from the Girls Gone WAD podcast. One of our favorite podcasts. We love them. They're asking for you guys to talk about the body weight set point and when men and women want to fight where their body naturally wants to be. How do you coach people in setting and accepting realistic goals? It's a good question. This is a really, really good question and I had so we've talked about this many, many times on the podcast and this is a very important subject to us as a podcast and we discuss this on our own even off air. One of the difficulties with this particular question is how do you communicate this effectively to people? How do you get people to get it? It's not effective telling people just love yourself and just be who you are and be happy with who you are because they don't get that. They're not happy with who they are. Not even that. It's also, this is hard to really visually see too and understand and grasp. Who's to say that I can't be 10 pounds lighter or have 10 more pounds of muscle on me? That's a tough thing to understand how to read and feel. It is. I had this just remarkable breakthrough in how to communicate this about two nights ago. I had a deep conversation with my girlfriend about this very subject and I was asking her a few questions and I said, okay, let's let's picture this now because we were talking about how people you know clients are we're telling them to eat intuitively and nourish their body but they still would want to eat certain things that weren't good for them and but we would tell them it's okay if you do every once in a while it's not a big deal but how do I judge what to do and what not to do and I'm going to gain weight or I'm a lose weight and you know what's the deal with that and I said okay let's let's take a step back and let's first consider our all of our as human beings truest expression of ourselves now the true a true expression of yourself is going to come from a place of acceptance and love it doesn't come from a place of insecurity doesn't come from a place of fear those aren't those aren't the truest expressions of of yourself those are all based on other things so if we get all that stuff out of the way and you're truly expressing who you are on a fundamental level that's hard very difficult but really think about it but really think about it like if you sit down and think about it it's not as hard as you think in terms of understanding now doing it is difficult but understanding is not as hard like if when people sit down and really think about that their truest expression typically most people will say I'm a kind person I love to be loved and I love to love I want you know fulfillment and happiness for myself and others around me I love my kids I you know I love myself you know these are the expressions of my truest self now what does the physical representation of that look like okay if you are truly expressing yourself from that standpoint the physical representation of that particular person the body that would go with that looks like someone who is rested healthy balanced somebody who is comfortable with themselves who eats healthy not because it's healthy and not because it makes you lose weight or gain weight but because they love themselves it's the physical representation of that person looks very fit and healthy now is that going to look different from person to person it will but one thing you have to understand is nothing is going to look better than that nothing for you will look better than that and we've all seen this we've all seen the not healthy representation of ourselves and others even if that person is lean in trying to build muscle like we've all known that man or woman who over diets super shredded but you look at them and you can just you sense that they're not healthy you can sense it's not coming from a good place and they don't the physical representation doesn't look as good as it would if they were coming from a healthy place I've done this before I've gotten ultra ultra shredded and I've gotten all these striations and stuff and then I've gotten to the point where I'm really just expressing my my true self and people will tell me like man you look amazing right now like you look really great and the funny thing is that's not a goal the goal really is just to to to understand who I really am and to treat myself that way and what you end up finding is you you the foods that you desire to eat change and it happens very naturally and so I've talked about you know being fit as a side effect and it literally is a side effect now this means that I'm not eating because I'm trying to be fit I'm trying to be lean I'm trying to be muscular or even that I'm trying to be healthy that is also a condition God I feel like I feel like you went too deep too fast but let me explain when I see this question I think like when I think of set points and I'm going to be more physical right because you're getting very deep right now and I think you're 100% right I just think that most people won't be able to identify with this yet because they're not there yet and I think there's there's physical things that happen to you first that help lead you into this direction that you and I have already been through and like a lot of people are either going through or yet to even get here yet and I'll use myself and I'll use a an ex-girlfriend of mine is a really good example of this set point thing so I remember when I was dating this girl who was competing and she worked her way all the way to the national level had an incredible physique but she did not have a like a bikini body type and what I mean by that is like she just I can tell by looking at somebody if you're built to do bodybuilding, if you're built to do men's physique, if you're built to do women's bikini that's not to say you can't do it because she fucking did it just like I did men's physique but I can tell you right now I'm not built for it and that to me is when we're talking about set points and what our body is kind of built to do I know we've kind of thrown some nanotypes out and that's something that's kind of of the old right but there's still some truth behind that that your body has this like set point or comfortable place that it wants to be and what Sal is saying that's the place you eventually want to get to where you don't even really think about it you're not focused on this outward appearance it's just you know more internal but first to get there a lot of people need to learn to read the signs that your body is telling you physically while you're trying to get there and the example I'm giving with this girl is that when we were dating and she was competing I remember watching her like literally and she was a trainer mind you so she was smart she had her masters in kinesiology so you know she knew what the fuck she was doing nutritionally training wise and not only that she's dating me so together you know she's she's got plenty of knowledge to get there the right way right and I remember watching her diet for her show and just she could not get her body small enough like she walks around as a lean 70-something pound girl like lean like you know still like 11% body fat but to get that stage ready look she needed to push down into the single digits of body fat and you could just see that her body did not want to be there you could see the way her face looked you could see that what she had to do to push yourself to get to that limits and to me these are these signs that the body is telling her that like that's not healthy and natural for you to be there now you could go there you could force the body to go there and you could push beyond that and some people want that because they're identifying with somebody else who has a body type that can do that or looks like that and I think that's where you're going with like learning to connect those dots and understand like oh man like you know you're if you just love yourself and think about like what makes you happy and but people a lot of people are there yet they're not there they don't understand and to me there's physical signs that tell you right away when you have to push a body but beyond its limits and and it's giving you feedback of it's not responding anymore you're doing cardio for an hour plus a day you're eating a 1500 calories or less and it's not changing very much like that's your body pushing back saying like feed me I need more I'm not healthy and for me like my set point was is the opposite direction right like I just my frame is not made to hold on to 220 plus pounds of muscle on it like I did it I built that but I never in my life looked so fit and been so unfit at the same time and you know and I know it because my body told me like my hips hurt my my back hurt my you know everything on me was achy and I mean and I was force feed I was feeding myself so much just to hold on to that mass and when I don't think about food and I just eat when I'm hungry and I eat the foods that you know that are good for me whole natural my body weight my body weight tends to kind of level out where it's at right now which is about 205 to 210 pounds so yeah I can be 230 and 240 but it's not the natural place that my body wants to be I think you look at a lot of this in the simplest way to kind of meld what you guys are talking about together is ask yourself why if you want to change your body especially you want to change your outward expression of who you are as a person to other people there's probably some kind of feedback you're getting either from the mirror which has no emotions just your literal projection of yourself and you're going to feel that so but if you say you want to put on 10 pounds or lose 10 pounds why you know and if it's if you're a guy and you want to put on 10 pounds which is going to be you know pretty pretty common if you're in goal is to get more attention or to get laid there's probably some other parts of your life that you could address as well that could actually result in some success in that department if you really understand the true intrinsic why behind wanting to change your body you know now if you're competing that's one thing because if you value competition then that's and you can put your body in your kind of vibrancy second to compete that's something you truly value you've kind of already assessed that so when I coached to this okay because that's she's asking about coach when I coached and I'm talking to some of this because I've had this conversation with people that have hired me to get them ready for a show I explained to them and I give them and I share my story it's like listen I can coach you to do whatever you want to do so if you want to compete as a bikini model or if you want to be a men's body builder like I can teach you the steps that you need to do to get on that stage and compete at that level now what I'm going to be real and tell you is listen just like I was not built to compete against LeBron James you're probably not built to compete against those women bikini you are probably built to play volleyball or whatever like I can look at a body type and I could tell them what their body type is more fit for now that doesn't mean you can't do those other things but also setting realistic goals for your body type and understanding that that's not that may not be a strength that may be a goal of yours and that's fine be okay with proving yourself like to me like the most rewarding thing for me was just getting to the professional level like a lot of people ask me like why don't you keep competing and what you know do you not want to go keep going or what about Olympia and all like I don't give a fuck about that like I prove to myself that I can get on a stage compete with the best in the world in a category that I don't even belong in like that was enough for me like that for me was like I did it you know I'm saying I proved I could do it but it wasn't what my body wanted to do whatsoever I just wanted to prove that I had the discipline and the ability to program design at that level to take myself in something that I was not designed to do but I know where near would want to stay in that it would not be healthy for me to do that so I think coaching to that is just being being honest with those clients you should know as a good coach a good trainer who's been doing for years is be able to look at body types and just be okay to be candid with that like listen you don't have the body type to do this we can do it let's do this you know let's do this but be okay with you not looking like the girl that you have your screen shot or your fucking computers your computer screen saver because you idolize her and you guys have nothing you're nothing like each other so you're never going to look just like her but guess what we could take your body where it's at right now and we can completely morph it and change it and make it do incredible things just know that it may not be your body type to look like that and be like you know what the sad thing is too if you chase somebody else's that body type or that physique or whatever when you get there it's never what you actually thought it was you're building into something that's even if the best case scenario and you attain it you're not you're just chasing you're chasing bullshit look you know it was pretty I always wanted to get I always want to fucking rat I always want to get bigger right I always wanted to build muscle I wanted to get bigger I look I'm six foot I've gotten my body weighed up to 230 pounds no joke I post them but I've definitely gotten really really big really really heavy super massive super strong and it changed my self image zero it did nothing right to make me feel I was chasing a feeling that did not could never come from my body it could never come from the way I look and if you're that's it like you know Connor that was I mean excellent like ask yourself why what are you looking what do you think looking this extreme is going to give you are you looking for happiness are you looking for confidence because none of those will come from that but but you got to be able to say this though you have to be able to say that what if what if you what if I hired you right and I said you like I just want to prove to myself that I can take my physique to the this level and get there and that's sure and that's it's an honest very different right very very different you got to be okay with that too there's because I can do that and not identify with it no be attached to but it's very different and it's rare it's actually quite rare like the vast majority of people listening to this podcast the vast majority would will never compete right and those that do compete who are listening right now for the most part many of them suffer as some form of you know body dysmorphia that's what probably drove them to compete in the first place competing is a very competing especially presentation type sports like bodybuilding and bikini and all that stuff they are inherently unhealthy inherently in the sense that what you need to do to get where you would need to go and number two you are 100% scrutinized from a visual standpoint your self-worth can be very easily connected to what they say you look like and how good you look like nice picture there Doug just Doug just put a picture of Sal Sal in the book and it's the stay puff guy that was me when I was two three yeah it's really you know you have to you if you're seeking happiness you're seeking confidence then get those things before you you decide to get you know change your body and what will happen is a side effect of it is your body will actually start to change separate your body image from your self-image that's a very important no you can't you can't confuse it to if your body images yourself image I don't care how you look at some point your shitty self-image we all age our bodies change and there's always someone out there that we think looks better than we do so you've got to separate those two things just be okay the majority of people too that we're talking about here that aren't going to compete that are just looking at instagram or whatever their means is for like finding motivational shit on their phone and chasing those little things like here and it's almost like a distracted kind of 80d version of pursuit of goals like what you're saying is turn that back in on yourself and find fulfillment there and then yeah you have what like some authentic ambition towards some goal it feels so much better and I've met people and they stand out to me that's why I remember these people and not a lot of them but I've met people who have gone down this journey there was one lady in particular she was 48 years old worked out one of the gyms that I managed and then there was a guy that was in his 70s that I knew who really and these were people who had been working out their whole lives and they'd gone through this journey I remember specifically talking about this and it didn't resonate with me then because I wasn't ready to hear it but the way they looked like the woman for example she was 48 years old she had long hair didn't dye her hair so it was it was gray it was like silver and gray she was very healthy and fit but she moved very fluid almost like she glided when she moved across the floor sometimes her workout seemed intense with weights other times I would see her doing yoga and stretching but she had this air of confidence around her she had wrinkles in her face but it looked like a built character on her she was very unassuming with the clothes that she wore it wasn't like she was trying to present herself in a particular way she was just very comfortable with herself very healthy and she put off this incredible energy great skin tone great vibrance coming off her she was extremely magnetic and sexy extremely but nothing about her looked forced or fake including the muscles that she had built in the way that her body moved she really stood out quite a bit then the guy in his 70s was the same way older gentleman lifted weights tons of energy when he talked to you he was very confident didn't take any supplements I remember we had a two hour conversation where I was trying to convince him that supplements were a good thing because that's when I was super brainwashed and he was trying to convince me that no he hasn't taken a supplement like 40 years and it's a waste of money and again this guy looked incredible now I've met 70 year olds were more ripped and more buffed but he just exuded this vibrance and this confidence and I remember looking at them and thinking man these guys have incredible genetics in my reality when in reality they really were just being their true their true self so it is possible to get there I promise you focus on the inside and you'll get the outside work in before you work out it makes a huge difference and the goal is to be attractive to people there's nothing that's more attractive than that there's not that many 25 year olds and 30 year olds that have that aura around them that kind of air of confidence if you can find put the work in to be one of those people like you're gonna just gonna fundamentally change your life spoken like a very intelligent millennial next up until we go there how do you pinpoint food intolerances if they mainly affect the mind ooh this is a good question because this is such a good question because I give sal shit about this all the time I don't know why cause he's mister like he feels everything you know what here's the thing you would be surprised shocked and we know this as trainers we've been training people for a long time at how disconnected people are to their bodies like so disconnected that and I'll give you an easy example like I'll be training a client and we'll be doing a tricep press down or a row or a bicep curl or very basic movement and I'm watching their form so they're obviously doing it okay and they'll ask me where am I supposed to feel this you actually hear that quite a bit super common and you know when I first heard it when I first became a personal trainer I used to fuck with my clients just to mess with them like oh this is for your face right here for your feet right super super common it is it's not uncommon at all and he used to blow me away like what the fuck are you talking about obviously it's your triceps you can't feel your triceps and it's not that their triceps aren't working and that their brain isn't getting the signal for the triceps to move and work it's that they're literally so disconnected that they don't understand what that means their brain isn't perceiving and it reminds me of have you guys have heard the stories of the Native Americans when they were on the shore and Christopher Columbus was appearing you know the ships were appearing out in the ocean and the Native Americans didn't see the ships until they were fucking really close they didn't see them because it was almost like a mirage to them because they didn't realize what it was they never seen them they couldn't perceive them and so to them it was like there was nothing there they just couldn't see them it's similar to that like people are so disconnected to their bodies I'll train clients who have such poor health in the sense that you know, inflamed, obese no activity for 15 years that and I'll think to myself like holy shit how can someone live like that like how is someone walking around every day waking up in the morning needing two cups of coffee just to get going barely drinks any water eats processed and packaged food all the time is 60 pounds overweight at night needs a glass or two of wine just to settle down and they do this every single day of their life like how do they not know that they feel horrible and really it's about this incredible massive disconnect to their body and so that's an extreme form of this now most people who work out consistently have better body awareness than most people but when it comes to food a lot of times not quite in fact those of us in fitness who eat to build muscle or eat to burn fat we tend to disconnect our bodies from food as a tool as or as a way to help us lose weight or gain weight like I would do this like I would force feed myself right and I would disconnect myself from food that I didn't like the taste of I'd you know I drink these shakes that were fucking horrible I used to make tuna fish shakes I'm not bullshitting you like fucking disgusting but it's almost like I didn't taste them I disconnected from the fact that I was so full from eating so much food and looking back I realized that it was it was purposeful and then it became very effective tool for me and I just stuck with it and so you get that a lot with people and so food and tolerances can be very obvious and that's usually where I start with people is the obvious signs like gastro issues you know bloating constipation diarrhea you know skin issues like acne psoriasis maybe you know really bad inflammation like those are the obvious ones but then as you go down the line it becomes more and more difficult and it requires you become more and more connected like you know I'll be working with a client and after a few months they'll start to make the connection that eating this particular oatmeal or whatever every morning makes them feel sluggish like they didn't put that together until three months into becoming more aware of how they're well this is where this is where did we Doug did we put did we put the elimination diet inside the new nutrition guy that's coming out did we do that you guys I think we're adding that okay so yeah we definitely have to because of this this question just reminds me of you know a little less woo-woo about this a very simple thing that I've done with all my clients when I'm trying to help them this because this is tough like Sal was saying so many people are feeding their body with so much garbage and shit it's so hard for them to like connect the dots of like what's making you feel like crap it's like well was it the fucking bag of potato chips you had or was it the Ben and Jerry's ice cream you had or was it the fucking wine you washed down before that or is it because the lack of sleep you had for the last two nights and all the stress you have at work and all the people you hate like I mean so trying to put connect those dots is incredibly difficult when you talk about something so subtle like intolerances so the elimination diet is incredible for this and this will be in the new nutrition guide that the 2.0 version that we release soon and this is that you strip away all these all the main things right like gluten sugar dairy nuts all the common one right right all you strip away all the the common ones and then you slowly introduce one at a time and then you assess and it's amazing once you do that but you first have to go through and do your due diligence and and take all that out and be consistent like that for a while for me like it's got to be several so clients for I would make them for at least a month so I don't know where how long you make somebody do it for but for a month I want all that out so just like listen if you're if this is something we're really trying to solve I need you to be really strict for a month for me and eliminate all these foods and then we're going to slowly introduce one at a time and then we're going to talk about how you feel we're going to talk about your sleep we're going to talk about your energy we're going to talk about your skin we're going to talk about if any sort of react your your digestion your stomach your stool like we're going to I'm going to ask all those questions and if everything feels great as we introduce let's say we we start to reintroduce dairy and like you're good no problems you're not having any digestion problems skin's great everything's fine sleep's good no headaches everything's positive well it's probably not that we're okay and then you you and I tell you what when you've pulled it all out of your diet and then you do after for like a good solid month and if you can go longer that's even better right the longer you can pull it out and then reintroduce it I feel like the the louder the signals like the bigger the contrast right exactly like when you've been really really good about eating whole foods for a long period of time and then all of a sudden I have something that is like out of that my body like tells me right after I eat it like it's it announced I'm on the toilet right away you know or right away like my I feel bloated or right away like my skin gets itchy or I get some sort of a headache or it's also it's also real important though because we're you know you're talking a lot about all the physical signs right in the physical signs of the first exact the what I will not have people do when they're ready is I'll have them track all these physical signs and I'll have them track the mental and emotional signs so I'll tell them you know several times a day I want you to record your mood I want you to and it does two things it's just like when you track your food is there an app for that is that headspace who does that I don't know what app does that news news interesting yeah I'm not super familiar with there is there is an app there's an app there's an app for that so I'll so after just like when people start tracking what is there an app not for it's totally not useful Adam so so when people track their food for example they will find that they're more aware now what they're eating just because they're tracking so that happens when you also track your moods and your emotions like moods like moods so they'll be like I very like oh god I didn't realize I wasn't you know just in a bad mood you know every morning like why that's weird because you know I now that I'm writing it down holy shit so that's number one you become more aware emotionally and mentally and then number two you can start to connect the dots because it's written down and you'll start to notice patterns like wow after coffee an hour later I'm irritable every single time could I possibly have an intolerance of coffee and yes you can right so you know write these things down and take note of a lot of things besides also including your your physical signs so physical emotional five minute journal is really good for that because it has that easy layout for morning journaling that's really short is that an app is a journal it's a physical journal it's a physical sorry and they have an app to have an app he's going to old school that there is there's something about writing you use it's hip now to write with pens and your hand paper oh it's going it's coming back it's coming back it's coming back and three journals in my bag out there but yeah so you get you get a morning and an evening kind of check in with yourself and there's an easy guide there as I did notice that you and Taylor both have the same little journal book you guys write it only yours is bigger his is smaller he has more than me it's like three of them I have to have one big one oh but with that he's not trying to overcompensate for something oh maybe because my buns bigger than his oh shit we're going to do a hair competition here it's a walk off it's a hair off check in with yourself mentally that's a huge piece and adding adding things back in progressively after elimination diet is also super clutch too because if you go 30 days like a 30 days super straight elimination diet and then you just add everything back in at the same time at the end to go back to normal go go balls deep like you're you're going to you don't know what was actually causing the problems in the first place time but it's actually the it's really the most simple way to go about figuring out what the fucks going on you can also tracking and eliminating you can it's that's the best way is elimination diet this is another thing you can do and it's not is effective but it's faster and easier and I know people like that something called a pinner test that you can buy and how accurate is that so there's a lot of debate about it yeah now I know I know you know nature paths who love using a pinner test and it directs them here's the problem is there an at home or do you have to go somewhere no it's at home you can do an at home yeah you you do a little you put that in the show notes Doug what's called a pinner test p i n n e r so here's here's the here's the way I've used pinner test in the past I worked with someone who was certified to use them or to read the results she would have people do a pinner test and then that would direct her on how to tell people to start the elimination diet because we're talking about common food intolerances like dairy gluten you know nuts egg whites those types of things however you can be intolerant to anything I've seen people have intolerances to bananas you know rice chicken breast I mean little things that are normally fine for most people you may have developed an intolerance to so when people take the pinner test it'll say okay here's the things we're going to eliminate at we're going to start your elimination diet with because it sucks and I've seen this happen where people do an elimination diet and get no no changes and it's like oh fuck it must be something else it must not be one of the common food intolerances so you can look into that they cost about 200 I think to $400 also check out Rob Wolf and wire to eat that'll give you some insight to like I think a lot of people don't pay attention I think they'll give you some good direction too so definitely Rob's some preaching elimination diet for a decade yeah from what I know so he's he has a lot of articles out on yeah check his check his wire to eat I he just released that book just recently and and if you haven't listened to the episode we did with him we got in a little bit of this so for sure next up Douglas all right next question is from burrs lurker oh that's how you say I could not I don't know I just made that's a pretty good that's pretty good I think that's what it is yeah I think that might be it did Lane Norton change your minds on anything absolutely 100% I thought I thought I thought I would hate him that's what he changed my mind on yeah let's let's first talk about like so I I've been a big fan of Lane Norton for a long time and so I've always really liked him and I fall I listened to his out of any of all the podcasts we listen to I've listened to more Lane Norton than anything else so and I found him when I was competing and what I was what I was drawn to was literally he was the first and not to say there's not others but he was the first intelligent like bodybuilder guy that was talking like intelligently about nutrition and prep that drew me to him I was like finally somebody that like understands like a little bit of health and like is speaking out on all these terrible coaches that are coaching these athletes so I already really liked him I knew the boys were a little more hesitant when I brought him in but you know what was it most about him that well so I so I always respected him I didn't think he was an idiot I didn't think he was you know one of those horrible people in the fitness industry that you know I rail against I just thought I wouldn't like him but when he came in and we met him he's a cool dude he's a really cool dude he definitely you know had a lot of integrity and believes in what he preaches not because I don't think he has ulterior motives of course there's always a conflict of interest I know we sell supplements and so he tends he does say that artificial sweeteners are safe and you know he's big I am guy and so there's there's there's gonna be a you know conflict of interest there right he's obviously selling products with these types of things but he's a cool guy I really I really enjoyed the guy now as far as changing my mind on my opinions on things like nutrition no not at all in fact he was he's nowhere near as extreme as the idiots on instagram who promote IIFOM he's very much like a you know eat healthy most of the time and if you eat a little bit it's okay and if it does fit your macros and you're in a deficit it's probably not it's not gonna do as much damage to you or as it could or whatever and there wasn't there wasn't a lot of stuff he said that I completely disagreed with the disagreement I guarantee you the disagreements we will have and we can debate and talk about start and end with processed foods and GMOs and artificial sweeteners he doesn't have an approach with IIFOM like you see there on the instagram the biggest thing that I think I think because the way he argued his point makes a ton of sense right and I think he brings very very valid points to his theory behind IIFOM now the difference between him and I think us is that we have trained thousands of clients and one on one standing sitting across the desk from me and most of our clients regular people yes he's trained a lot of athletes yeah and even even the amount that he has like is nowhere near the amount of FaceTime the three of us have combined nowhere near and someone's like oh that can matter he was doing his PhD no no where I'm going with this is the psychological side is in my opinion the biggest piece of course and there is such a large piece of that that is connected to these people and I know this is where we disagree is the being addicted to foods and you can he where he likes to argue it is that there's no science that supports that there's a chemical addiction that's happening to carbohydrates or sugar which we can go round and round with that argument with him and he definitely didn't change our minds on that but one thing that you can argue is that it can be and is more often a psychological addiction that these people have with foods and so for me the IIFYM it's funny you're wearing the IIFYM suck shirt right now to know why this comes up is serendipitous is it there is nothing there is no bit of science that will ever come out that could get me to change my mind about IIFYM because I think it's an excellent place for people to start I think it's where I started I think that everybody should start by counting your macros but I think that's that's the first good step in the right direction and quite frankly I just don't think Lane hasn't had to go to the point where he has to dive into the psychological side that's it because he can he can figure it out all numbers and it works for him and it's worked for his clients to get in aesthetic shape but we talk in a much deeper level and when we talk about relationship with food and we talk about the psychological addictions that people have with food that stuff kind of goes out the window it does and you know ask yourself this do you want to be counting your macros and calories for the rest of your life and if that scares you because you think you're going to get fat well there's there's your problem and that's one of the main issues with IIFYM is it teaches people and it's fine that's where you start like Adam said you need to know what's in food you need to know what macronutrients like proteins fats and carbs you need to know the calories you need to understand you know how much you're eating and you know what macro profile probably feels best to you but if you stay there it will or I'm sorry it can and most likely will turn into a bad relationship with food and we've seen it time and time and time again I've now I've worked with a lot of people who've gone the IIFYM route and stayed there for years and the second I tell them to go off and go intuitive they freak out it becomes their security blanket their training wheels it's a difficult it's not a good place to stay in and the people that actually have success with it the irony is that the ones that think that oh that think it's so great and it works so well with them are the ones that are using terms like oh I might get my cheat day and I could have like their relationship they don't even realize that that's fucked up because it's working for them physically they still haven't broke through to the psychological part and the part with the relationship with the food they haven't got there yet and so there they haven't even identified that yet and because they're in the shape they want to be physically they still haven't reached that point where they're starting to connect the dots with their connection with the food and I get that I totally get that I was there I mean at one point all of us were there right where we were so aesthetically driven that you didn't as long as I saw the results that I wanted it works you know I'm saying if the science supports that it works it's good then it's like no it's not that simple I'll give you an example you know you'll have a woman who is doing IIFOM and counting her macros and staying very you know good within her macro range to maintain her body and she's lean and fit and all that stuff and she does this religiously and consistently and a vacations coming up so she's going to go for two weeks to I don't know France or Hawaii or something like that so she's counting macros counting macros counting macros on this this you know on this particular diet if you will and then she goes on vacation she's like I'm just gonna enjoy myself now right right away I want you to just hear what I'm saying I'm going to just enjoy myself they go on this trip they stop counting macros here's inevitably what happens they binge or they way more than they normally would or they indulge in ways that are unhealthy for the both the mind and the body and then they come back and they're like fuck I gotta get back on my program I gotta get back on my program now in contrast if you have someone who has a very healthy relationship with themselves and with food and they eat healthy and nourish their body when they go on this trip they go and they enjoy the foods that are there like they're in France or they're in Hawaii and they're tasting the local foods and they're enjoying themselves but it's not this fucking big deal we're oh yes I go I'm going on vacation to get to eat all the fucking food ever want to eat like here's the bottom line like if you live in fucking America you can get all the food pretty much a lot of the food you can get in Mexico or a lot of the food you can get in France but why do you all of a sudden get so excited to go on vacation and eat like a fucking maniac it's because you're in this I can and I can't mentality and IIF lamb feeds right into that there is no I can and I can't there is no I can't eat that that I can't eat that there is I choose to eat that and I choose to eat this that's all it's there's that's all it is the psychological side that we're 100% you know the I do want to say this though like I think that what Lane is doing and what he started like I think he he in my opinion was one of the first to really come out and come after the bro science aggressively and he was the first kind of bigger name and really intelligent guy that could attack that and for that I give him a ton of credit a ton of kudos and I respect the man for sure like I really truly like Lane Norton a lot I it's just we have a different stance about a trend which which I'll tell you right now those of you that attach yourselves to it it's a fucking trend it will crash mark my fucking words it will be looked at just like the Atkins diet or anything or zone diet or any trendy ass thing it's it's just one step to help people lose weight and or gain weight there's so much more to eating and working out and being healthy than just simply counting the fucking numbers and you will fucking see our next question is from each sleep and run if you guys could eat and drink anything without consequences what a great follow up to that what would it be anything that fits my macros diet soda you know this is a funny question because well it's really funny because we and we didn't mean to do this and it follows up that lane question right because we're gonna turn around be like I wish I could have been in Jerry's every single night you know so here's here's why this question is funny to me because I can't eat anything that I want the consequences are you know okay I guess the way to answer this she worded it beautifully though because she said that if you guys could eat and drink anything you want without consequences because you know that there was just pure taste exactly we get to find consequences too yeah yeah because well well the consequences are the physical consequences yeah and not even just done that I mean let's be honest when you shame if you eat something that is like well I'll say like my red velvet cake I love it's just it's not filled with a lot of beneficial nutrients in it so I couldn't eat all my calories in that because I'm missing so many other things right so if those that's the consequence consequences you load up all your calories on something that is not very beneficial for the body and so it's not ideal for so there's your consequence so if that didn't count like if it did look let's say red velvet cake was just perfect for my body and what I needed what food would you eat or consume a ton of I guess for me just purely based on taste don't you dare say something stupid no I'm not I'm not gonna say something broccoli no I'm just kidding yeah I was gonna throw my phone at him probably potato chips sardines and avocados probably basic lays potato chips oh wow you're a salty potato chip guy yeah I love them absolutely love them you can't just eat one no and I like the taste I like the taste a lot they're super convenient they're nice and you know yeah ready to go what about you see dog breakfast I just call it a sea dog that sounds creative nicknames for everything cereal man oh cereal guy what kind yeah you gotta be more specific than that do you guys remember o's they cut the shit out of the roof of your mouth apple it was o's it looked like a cheerio but bigger and it had like a cluster of o's it wasn't apple though the flavor ones they did the green box you're talking about the broke ass o's the ones that you got in the clear bag your mom got you you're talking about the sequel to o's that was like the next thing o's with the original like fucking gang stress really Doug I think you need to research this I don't think apple o's I think he's wrong no o's were first this is a typical millennial mistake talking about cereal history he knows what he's talking about right here do I have to apologize you're good at googling bro this is a straight up I don't even know what that is you know what they discontinued this shit probably so good what a obscure cereal I don't know why I liked this it was really sweet I love to do this with somebody because it is something odd go back bro go back to where you were in your life when you were eating o's oh I'll tell you that's not even hard I lived with my grandparents growing up that was my thing after school I'd come home and eat a fucking bowl of o's we would stop at Dairy Queen on the way in to get a sausage mcmuffin or whatever for breakfast and then when I got home it was a big bowl that probably contributed a lot to my childhood obesity the consequences were real how old you were and friends and playing and your love it was like right before I went outside we had a lot of land I could ride the full wheelers up to like 12-13 years old don't you find that crazy how we connect things like that with experiences in your life and then you go back and revisit it maybe you hadn't had those o's in 20 years and then you go back and you eat it this was much better either that or he still enjoys it cause he's made that association it brings memories back like watching an old movie it's the same type of thing oh yeah this is where I was when that was going on it just goes to show you how your connection to food isn't just the taste it's a lot of the stuff that was going on like why the fuck do people like mac and cheese from the box it tastes like garbage it tastes like shit but a lot of people were giving it to them when they were a kid and mom gave it to them and they had a good time they're like oh yeah comfort food why is it comfortable and you're an adult and I give you mac and cheese craft from the box I guarantee you every single one of you is going to be like this tastes like plastic shit I'll still eat it every once in a while I was eating biscuits and gravy right now like some dope biscuits and gravy man my grandma was so cool she was so dope so it's right in line with you on this is I would say I would love a waffle cone mint chip ice cream then chocolate chip and then coconut pineapple in that order in a waffle cone from thrifties that's about as specific as it gets well I probably did eat that every day of my life for quite some time for a couple years in my life so if I could have the physique feel great cause now that would be on the toilet right afterwards from something like that that would be something that I would eat on a very consistent basis for sure ugh I couldn't eat those right now I couldn't do the milk in it I kinda wanna search that out and try that does milk make you shit yourself now I can't believe I've never had O's I don't feel good at all Honeygram made it so it's made by Honeygram yeah so it tastes like a Honeygram but Honeygram is the granola type things in the center the thing about it is the milk after what it tastes is so good so did it come before Honeygrams or after Honeygrams I don't know that's an old looking label you can't get in Walmart you still can disgusting you know what before we start to sign off I do wanna make a statement we've talked about artificial sweeteners now for a while on the podcast and way back when we first started we predicted that you would see a huge shift in supplements you see you talking about Evogen right now here they come before you don't believe me go listen to some of our real old episodes I specifically said this and we brought up Lane Norton with his position on artificial sweeteners all of them all of them will eventually have to flavor their shit naturally because the market is already starting to shift more studies are coming out showing that artificial sweeteners fundamentally alter gut flora and that is influencing thing like craving remember where you heard that shit how could something that makes a pre-workout that makes your green not fuck with your gut flora is that surprising to anyone that shit will fuck you up are you serious that's what they do you're chasing like what a 30 seconds of mouth pleasure by tasting kind of like Kool-Aid get your fucking shit together and take some stuff that doesn't taste like fucking Kool-Aid when we first started we offered our formula that we all do which is like was it tastes like shit and you just swallow it down real quick all the actual things that had any sort of science supporting you know the increased energy or blood flow or pump or whatever you could get from a pre-workout but all the natural raw ingredients I just love to see the market shift like EvoGen has released some supplements now all natural no artificial colors and flavors and you're gonna start to see some of the bigger brands sell you core I think was doing some of the stuff and it's starting to happen because they actually separated it from the brand like Coke did the same thing with the green by the way we don't have those in Texas by the way but guess what I saw the other day on regular TV now commercials on it you know fucking showed you guys that a long time ago but we called it man you know what's crazy was I saw that I had my first one like fuck it's three four years ago and when I saw it and I was like holy shit like if Coca-Cola gets it I thought it was so crazy that they had a product like that for so long but did not rep it did not promote it they had to be careful because they had to be careful to rep it because pushing a Coke that's half flavored with cane sugar not high fructose corn syrup and half flavored with Stevia could potentially damage their brand because it would be like them saying here's something that's better than the product that we already have so they had to be very very careful and they're real strict in their formula too they put it out on like mass quantities like that like a lot of like Pepsi Zero and stuff like that made mistakes where they taste kind of like the same thing but it kind of just sucked but it took mass was that your first green Coke yet at my house? yeah it was good did you like it? I like Coke too I drink Coke Zero over now and then I'll have one of those but I'd rather have the green Coke than Coke Zero they're gonna take market share away from themselves is probably so I do want to say this because now that I see the market shifting you're gonna see Stevia and everything and I do and I do believe Stevia is better than the artificial sweeteners but I do not believe it's better than nothing I do think you can over consume Stevia and I'll tell you two things number one anytime you trigger the sensation of sweetness remember that's a signal that goes to your brain there are receptors on your tongue that certain chemicals even natural ones will attach to and then your brain perceives them as sweet now what always follows sweet from an evolutionary standpoint is things that taste sweet that have calories like sugar if your body senses or your brain senses sweet and no sugar comes in you can I promise you will create problems because your brain thinks sweet's coming in it's preparing your body for sugar it's changing insulin it's changing all these different things that are happening but it's not getting it so it can either A change cravings or B it's like I tell people with a PC computer and downloading porn eventually you're gonna get a virus if you watch too much porn on your PC who the fuck downloads porn now what the hell is wrong with you oh that's what's wrong in case the lights go out I'm gonna download this for emergency situations in case I don't get powers it just shows you how much I actually really watch even if I get downloaded by the DVD if you're gonna take something that's sweetened without sugar Stevia is a better option I still don't think you should have Stevia all the time and even when it comes to supplements and stuff like one of the things I did that I really liked was that I would buy the unflavored supplements and then if I needed them the flavor to be different I just took control of that I would sweeten it with fruit or whatever it was that I wanted but I would I was the throttle of the sweetness not the people selling me this we got something and this is completely anecdotal but talking about this reminds me when I was competing and when I had to go months on end of just whole natural food super strict eating in a caloric deficit when I would eat fruit after that fruit like I could not believe how sweet an apple or a grape or an orange like it was so fulfilling on such another level but it was like this it was such a major eye-opener for me because it wasn't like I wasn't a fruit eater before it's just that I was inundating my body with so much of this process fake and all this other sugar from everywhere else that when I got it from a natural source it wasn't as rewarding because it wasn't as explosive in my mouth because I'm so used to getting something that had 60 grams of sugar from somewhere else or all this artificial sweetener from another place all throughout my day completely eliminated that into the diet and then I introduced things that were strawberries and blueberries, bananas when I started to do that it was like whoa dude it's amazing how fulfilling that was and I have a sweet tooth so I'd be considered somebody who like I ice cream we all talk about the foods you want salty I'm sweet I want sugar that's what I want because I had that my entire life so when I eliminated everything I used it it's amazing how good fruit would and so if you're somebody who craves sugar a lot that's something that I urge you to do is to actually eliminate all that all the process and then all of a sudden fruit is candy yeah exactly and then like a fruit literally tastes like I'm eating candy it's amazing and it's beautiful it's a beautiful thing I'll tell you this too there's an article if you want to really look into artificial sweeteners and I'm telling you right now first of all two things number one three artificial sweeteners got approved the true story behind it will blow your fucking mind I promise you just that alone will make you never want to have an artificial sweetener again it was there was a great article by I think vice I think vice magazine was the place that posted it or tonic sorry tonic.vice.com and there's an article titled the story of how fake sugar got approved is scary as hell look it up it's a true story I've read it before didn't you post that on your I posted a bunch of this on my Instagram a while ago fucking crazy and then people who say there's no evidence to show that artificial sweeteners are bad for you are full of shit there's long term studies that have associated aspartame for example with non-Hodgkin's lymphomas and multiple myeloma and men and leukemia and both men and women their studies that show neurological issues and animals cancer and animals scientists will tell you that are non-bias will tell you that they're concerned and they probably don't recommend people do it so look it up for yourself read about it don't look at 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