 You can now follow me on all my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications button so you're notified for when my next podcast goes live. And I do know that you can love a woman, take care of a woman, truly have somebody you care about and then have other women and you don't have to be a piece of shit for it. And I think there's a lot of guys out there that are living in a whole lot of pain and hurting women because they don't understand that. I'm in Dubai or Miami and some girl that clearly has her titties and ass all over the internet DMs me. Bro, I'm not gonna fall in love with that girl anyway. And I feel like guys that fall in love with girls that are marketed on the internet like that are pretty weak in the first place because they can't see the world for what it is either. I think that if a girl takes a guy seriously, you should at least have her login. I know that sounds super controlling and it's curing all those things. But man, look, I'll tell you another thing. If I'm dating a girl and I go on her page and all I can see is cleavage and ass. And I'm like, bro, that's marketing dude. Straight up. And if you can't get a grip on that with your girl, bro, she's going to leave you anyway. So let's say, let's say, let's say I had a main check, right? And let's say I actually showed her to the world. All the girls that wanted her spot would attack her by calling her a whore. Or a slut. Or I can't believe I would never. Yeah, you would, bitch. Yeah, you would. I've been marauding. And today's guest, we've got a Playboy movie now, Justin Waller. How are you? I'm doing well, man. How are you? Is it Waller? Waller? Yeah. Got it right? Yeah, W-A-L-L-E-R. So again, a man, very controversial friend with Andrew Tate. Yeah. Not stopping. Not backing down from it either. How are you, brother? I'm amazing. I'm amazing. Good to be back in London, I think. So it's always, I guess, hit or miss in London. It's like, am I going to have a good time? So am I going to try to stab us? Like, what are we doing? So I heard the sirens just now. So how do you like London? Yeah, I love the people. Obviously, the crime is rising. A lot of people are struggling now. So it's kind of ruthless for people to try and get money to survive. All in all, the people I know, the places I go, everybody, I love, they're friendly. They're always going to get the asshole who tries something. But that's everywhere in the world, I guess. Yeah. That's been my experience too, man. I've really enjoyed it. The only time I've ever really gotten upset in London is I was in a pub with Sterling Cooper last time. And he's traveled a lot, like a whole lot. And they ended up cutting me off at the bar. And I was like singing and hugging people and stuff like that. And he goes, bro, he's like, sometimes, bro, when you're a big dude in the bar and they don't think they control you, they'll cut your ass off. So I got super mad about that. But other than that, I've had a blast in London. It's been good. Before we get into all the mad stuff, I'll always go back to the start of my guests. Where you grew up and how it all began? Yeah, I grew up in South Louisiana. So not much to say, my dad was a cotton farmer. My grandfather, he left World War II and he formed cotton. So my father followed suit, didn't really work out. He met my mom. They were working at McDonald's in Vicksburg, Mississippi, or Mr. Cook, one of the two. That didn't really go too well. So there was a split household. It got kind of a violent household growing up. It was nothing to get your ass handed to you, pretty good. Actually, on the mom side of things, we'd meet at the police station, go our separate ways. And from there, man, growing up wasn't the best in school, actually. I was in 6th grade. It was just one of those things, man. I ended up going to college to play football and I finished 2009. So yeah, just South Louisiana. I grew up in most of my life there. So it's an interesting place. Do you think it affects you as a kid when you see beatings, getting beat yourself to who the person you become later in life? Yeah, I think so. I don't think I would trade anything for my childhood at all. In fact, I think it's very much a gift, man. I think a lot of people live insulated. I think nothing can happen to them. So they talk a lot. In fact, if I ever feel like I'm ever going to get in any kind of altercation, I get really quiet because I just know the repercussions of it. Some of those neighborhoods that we grew up in, man, it was always popping off. I don't know if it was quite London, but it was definitely something that wasn't uncommon in any way at all. Like when this bus parks, you know, when the school bus parks is going down, you know, or just whatever in the neighborhood. So yeah, man, I think that it gives you a realistic view of what can happen if you talk too much. You know, I think some men don't have that reality that they think they can say whatever they want. And I'm certainly not that way. I take that subject actually very seriously as a result of that because I've just been there a few times and, you know, there's repercussions around running your mouth, man. You've got the Playboy lifestyle now. You've got the fancy suits, the big watches, private planes, big cars, older women. What were you like at college? I was like the same thing, really. You know, I dated the prettiest girl in school, you know. She ended up winning Miss Louisiana. I had my first run-ins at the end of high school and at the end of college with heartbreak. The only two times I've ever had my heart broken is because I left a girl because I wanted to cheat. I didn't have a problem with a girl. We weren't fighting. We didn't have issues. I just thought I didn't know there was another way. So what I would do is I would leave a girl that I cared about because I thought that I couldn't, you know, have both of those things. And I think I spent a lot of time and heartbreak in my younger life over that particular subject. But yeah, man, I was a playboy to the max. To the max. I just didn't have any money. I just did it with football pads, you know. What position did you play? I played tight end. Yeah? Yeah. How does that affect you? Having your heart broke, probably having someone, beautiful girl, someone who loves you, probably feels secure at that point coming from a volatile home as well. How does that affect you when you fuck something up that where you thought the love was pure and honest? Well, yeah, man. So like for me, I wanted to be a good person, you know. So what I would do is I would break up with the girl before I even did anything. So being from the South, man, everybody was really religious. So I went through a really heavy phase my senior year in college where I tried to pray my way out of feeling the way that I felt. And I think that really fixed me in a lot of ways, man, because I would, I would like go to church and shit. And then I'd go home and be like, God, please don't let me do this. Please don't let me do this. Because I had these feelings inside of me. You know what I'm saying? And I love the girl. I didn't have a problem with the girl, you know. And she cried. I mean, like, dude, she was like throwing up on the floor when I broke up with her. And it broke me in a lot of ways because I had feelings for the girl. I just wanted to fuck the soccer player or the cheerleader or the girl on the volleyball team. I didn't want to leave my girl, but I didn't think I could get both of those things, especially growing up in the South. Man, I thought I'd go to hell for that shit. You know what I'm saying? Like where I grew up. So, man, I had to learn the hard way. It was really, really rough on me. It was probably, I'd say all the time, I'd rather physically get my ass whipped than feel the way, you know, like a legitimate heartbreak feels like when you actually like really, really love a girl. Because I think love is real. I think you can love a woman. Now, I think that you can love a woman and sleep with other women and still love that woman. You know, absolutely. I don't think I'm the first person to say that won't be the last one. I don't think I've said anything special. Same thing about the tough childhood, by the way. I don't think that's anything particularly special. I think a lot of people see that. But that particular break up right there, it was super painful and it stopped me from believing that I would ever get into a relationship again. Any kind of, so I would keep them at arms distance. So I didn't have to even worry about getting myself in a situation where I was in that, you know, do I want to stay? Do I want to go? Because I didn't see the option. In fact, Myron said it earlier. It's like a lot of guys, they don't even know that that's an actual play. They don't know that that's an actual option. And that's why I always say, you're doing God's work, Myron. You know, because if a God doesn't know that, then, you know, how can, how can he think there's any other way? He's either going to be a piece of shit or he's going to be a good man and be in a lot of times, I think you end up being miserable. You know. See for men, do you think we try and protect ourselves like you say? Keep girls at arm length because I've lost a lot of people in my life, but there's no worse feeling than having a broken heart. Like, I had fucked girls over in the past. I was in prison. I was a drug dealer. I've done a lot of bad shit, but people loved it. Girls loved it at that time. And I used to, when you have your heart broken as a kid, I believe men are soft as well. As much as we can play the alpha male and be strong. Straight up, yeah. I agree with that. I think it's really shit as well when it comes to loving and women. For me personally, it was to try and protect myself like you, keep them at arm's length because I know what it felt like when you rip your heart out and it's partly because of your own self-sabotage. Right. But when you become from that relationship, when you try and kick on to that, jeopardize every other relationship in your life. At that time, before I knew there was a better way. So a lot of times I think like, what happened was I was really just being a bitch. But I really didn't know there was another way. And I think a lot of men that think their cowards are particularly over this subject, it's not really that their cowards so much is that they don't have the consciousness to understand how female nature works. They don't have the consciousness to understand that they can actually be who they really want to be inside. Because a lot of the pain I went through in that particular situation or in that situation in general was the feeling that I had hurt somebody I cared for. You know what I'm saying? Like you said, we always think we're tough and all these other things. Yeah, we do and we are. And I think the definition of a man is a man that can hold a baby and slit a throat in the same day. So he is secure enough in himself, he can hold a baby. But if he's got a slit a throat, he's going to go ahead and do that as well with no stopping. Full send on that. But the particular situation I was in, I didn't see another way. And I would have much rather that girl have just broken up with me just because we are part of ways. Then me feel like I absolutely crushed her and then didn't get what I want on either side. You see what I'm saying? So yeah, I definitely think you can love a girl. I definitely think that guys can have a heart as well. But I do think that they need to keep the rigidity in them, especially when it comes to the realities of the world. And so that's why I think educating yourself on women is so important. What did you do after college? After college? I went on a fucking tear, bro. Yeah, dude. I mean, you have to. But I mean, it cost me the 18 months or the two years just like anybody else that gets wrecked. Normally that takes a little while and you'll do it. But you still have those feelings of loss or whatever, just like anybody else. So you just went kind of blow things out your system. College was over. Single. What were you doing for work? Actually, I graduated college in 2009. So there were no jobs, man. So unfortunately, I had to go dig ditches for this company called Austin Bridge and Road. It was in a little town called Bastrop. They were doing a highway expansion. And there was no jobs, man. So I was digging ditches for like 15, 16 bucks an hour. And that job ended. I got laid off. I went back home. I started doing backyard buildings during the day or heading out resumes during the day. And I waited at tables at Texas Day Brazil at night. So during the daytime, I'm going and trying to get a job, trying to get a job. And then at night, I was waiting at tables at TDB. How long were you doing that for? About six, eight months. Yeah. What I'd do is I would take my resume to people's offices all the time. That's actually how I got a job. I ended up going to this place like four or five times. I've told the story a bunch of times, but long story short, I went there enough times. They knew I was going to keep coming. There was a hospital there building in Baton Rouge. And there's job travelers out there. And I would go in there and I'm like, hey, can I, you know, can I see the boss or whatever in the latest like sign? You know, I can't do that. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Come back a couple of days later. Hey, you know, maybe I can see him today. She's like, you know, I can't. Yes, ma'am, fine. I think it was the third time I came in there. She goes, you know what? Just stay right there. So I sat down some old, angry looking 50-something-year-old white man construction guys. I said, what's up, Justin? I said, come with me. So going in the back, pops down in his chair, and leans back. He said, give it to me. And I'm all like, you know, like sliding into him. He looks at it, he looks at me, he looks at it, he looks at me, he flops on the table. He goes, so you mean to tell me you've come in here? And I know you've been in here because I've heard about this three times to see the boss on a $40 million hospital project to interrupt my day and everything I'm doing. I'm like, yes, sir. And he goes, well, I like that shit. and he gave me a job. So I was actually making per diem and stuff. What's the hop? Per diem is like when they pay you for being out of town. And I didn't need the money, man. I've never made this much money. I was probably making about like 60, 65 grand a year. And I was used to living on nothing. So what I did is I went to the bank cause I knew to get a contractor's license and to have my own business. Cause that's what I'd always wanted. I had a red rich dad port at my junior year of college. So what I did is I went to the bank and I set the bank account up where when my check came it sent like 80% of it to this other account because you have to have a net worth of $10,000. And me and nobody in my family, you could have added us all up and not owed money. So I did that. I finally saved up enough money and I went and took the contractor's license test for residential. And I took the $10,000. I moved it to another bank and wouldn't apply for the commercial test with the same money. And that'll be 12 years ago in March. So. And that's how your life is? That's how. 11 to now from that moment? Yeah, from that moment. So I started off with like three or four guys putting up still buildings in backyards, like 30 by 40s, a little 1,200 square foot, not much bigger than this flat. And now I've got over 130 men, trucks all over the country, cranes everywhere, building Costco's, airplane hangers, Walmart's, targets, just big steel structures. Where did you get that drive from that age? Did you know what you wanted to do and achieve? For me, the particular thing was consciousness. Like I didn't know anything. The only way we knew how to make Dr. Money was in boots. I didn't come from a neighborhood where there was like doctors and lawyers and shit around. So the only way I knew that I could make good money was in construction. That's why I did construction management. I'm sure if my dad or my, my parents worked together, my stepdad was, he was around and shit, he did metal buildings. So I was literally a redheaded stepchild. I would go to job sites at like 13 and like pack sheets. So when I wasn't even big enough to pick them up, I tried to pick the panels up and the wind would blow and I just tried to push it up against the building so I could hand it up to them. It was the only consciousness I had. As far as drive goes, man, I don't think I'm in like just red blooded American. I just want to do well, man. I knew that I had to find a way to make money. I always took care of my fitness. I didn't know much about style or game or anything like that. Like a lot of my friends in this space, like Sterling, you know, they learned a lot of PUA. I wasn't even aware that shit was available. So to me, man, we would, actually we'd go to like country bars. I don't think I've ever said this to anybody. So when I was in high school, we used to get into these, you ever heard of like a honky tonk? Yeah. Yeah. So it was like bar room and it's like be bar room brawls and we'd be dancing with women to country music and shit like that. It's actually where I learned to dance to country music. So even to this day, I love to dance. If there's country music playing, I always say, I don't care if she's 80 or 280. I just want to dance, you know? Cause I always found that if you dance with the ugly girl, the pretty girls would like you because you look like a good dude. And that's how I'd scoop them up. So I danced with her fat friend first, gotcha bitch. So how does a man who college football believes in love? Yeah. Then working his ass off to be a self-made Malina to then becoming a player? Cause it's not night and day. Yeah. But to then, when was the transition for you to start? Was it when the money comes, attention comes with it? You know, it wasn't. It was really for me, man. It was a war room in a lot of ways. It was Andrew and Tristan for me. And then in addition, Sterling. See, because I knew who Myron and Walt were. I knew who Rollo Tomasi was. I knew who Richard Cooper was. What I would do is when I had a girl that I liked and I had to break up with her because she was getting close to that ultimatum conversation, I would tell her to go ahead and go our own way because I never wanted to live in a lie. I never wanted to live in a lie. So what I would do is I validate how I felt about it by getting reinforced by watching content of people that are now my friends pretty much, you know. I didn't know how to handle the guilt. Guilt really had a grip on me. And that makes complete sense because a woman's not gonna kick your ass. She's not gonna fight you. She's gonna try to make you, she's gonna say, you need to man up, you know. Or I thought you were this kind of man or you know, the Bible says this or whatever it is. Guilt really gripped me very hard through my early adulthood, you know, even up until maybe three years ago. You know, it really was an issue for me because I wanna be a good person. I do believe in being kind to people. I do believe that you can hurt other people. And that's why I would always tell the truth after that college break up because I never lied to that college girl. I just left her. I never even gave myself an opportunity to tell her the truth. I just knew that it wasn't gonna fly. So I just left. And it cost me, but it was good for me. You ever get stung or you get hurt in some way. And you're like, you know what, I really learned my lesson that time. I had to take the hit twice. You know, same thing happened to me with my high school girlfriend actually. You know, so I had that rep. And from there I said, you know, I never lie again. You know, even, cause I kind of lied by omission by not even telling them like, look, this is gonna work out of go. What's wrong? We don't fight. And I was like, I didn't want to be like, well, really I just want to fuck all the girls. You know, I just did, I wasn't in a place where I could say that. And then when in adulthood, when I got to a place where I could, then I would get attacked with the guilt. But I didn't have anything to counteract it, but really like Red Pill channels like Myron and Walt Cooper, you know, those guys. And I was watching Ruperture Cooper and I heard Andrew talking to Cooper. And I feel, I felt like I'd been saying those things for five years, 10 years. You know, I felt that way, but he was saying it out loud. And I was like, God damn, he's saying it on the internet. Like that is exactly how I feel about it. And I really got to a place after spending some time with them where it's like it all absolutely made sense completely. And then I dug more into, you know, all the other guys as well. I've never felt more level about that subject in my entire life, you know? And I do know that you can love a woman, take care of a woman, truly have somebody you care about and then have other women. And you don't have to be a piece of shit for it. And I think there's a lot of guys out there that are living in a whole lot of pain and hurting women because they don't understand that. How many ghetto friends do you have at the moment? I do well. I do well. Yeah, I do well. Does the money play a part in that? Or how do you, what do you think it is that separates a man who has many women to a man who struggles to get women? You know, I think it might change the level of woman you can get. I think it might, I think it might, you know, I think that you could take, you could take a substantial amount of my money away from me and put me in any city in America that's not LA or Miami. And I would absolutely murder that city, you know, give me 80, 100 grand, I'd do just fine. But I've also taken care of style and fitness and I'm tall and I'm handsome and everything and everybody jokes and calls me a chad and shit, but you know, I think there's a version of me that is 30, 40 pounds overweight that punches a clock every day that doesn't make good money, that does not get women the way this current version of me is. I think we all have that opportunity to not maximize what we were given. I see tall guys all the time. They'll be, I'll be in line at like, I'll be back home or something. Be standing in line at Walmart. And I'll look over and there'll be some guy in like plant clothes like that fool, you know, fire retarded suit and shit, six, two, scraggly ass looking beard, fat as fuck, Jay blue eyes, I'm like, that motherfucker, if he lost that weight, he would fucking slay it. Glad his fat ass doesn't, more for me. I don't care. But I see that shit all the time, man. It's like, there's wasted talent, you know, all the time, all these guys that, you know, they think that just because, you know, they're not Brad Pitt that they can't get women. I don't think women care about, I do think women care about looks, but I think Andrew says this. I said, you can either be handsome or you can look scary. So you have the option because you can be big and strong and maybe a little ugly, but if you do well and men respect you and men follow you and you're confident and there's too many beautiful women out there for you to have an excuse not to be able to do it. Do you think confidence plays a big part in attracting women? Yeah, absolutely. Just owning that walking right, believing in yourself. Yeah, and you know what, I think I've always had that. I've always had a little bit of that swagger about me. I think money amplifies it if I'm being completely fair. Cause it's now like, okay, well, give me a box, I've not checked, you know, especially when you're dealing with a 10, especially when you're dealing with a girl that you know is also probably talking to the forward for some basketball team or talking to some football player or something like that. You're like, okay, well, I at least make, you know, I might not be Tom Brady money, but like it's NFL money for sure, you know? So I think money can amplify your confidence in a way, but I don't think it's everything, you know, not at all. I think they see your lifestyle and they don't even think about money, they think about fun. What do you think about relationships now? I think that if you can have honesty, and then if you are the man that women wanna be with, that you can live in truth and tell the truth, and she'll take that deal happily, so much so that she'll defend you against her family and friends. Do your girlfriends know that what you do for a player? I don't like any of them. Straight up. Straight up. What do you say to them? I say, it depends. It depends who it is, but I basically just tell them like, yo, look, I don't believe in monogamy, you know? And we'll have the back and forth and, you know, they'll say, well, you know, I don't think that's fair. I said, I completely understand. Life is not fair. There's a lot of things that aren't fair. Because a lot of times it's emotions. It's emotionally doesn't feel good. They know you're right. They know if any man could, he would have a woman he loves, that he would have kids that he could tuck in at night, be a good father, be a good husband, sleep with women when he felt like it, and go home and hold his wife at night. And really not even feel a thing outside of like sex. Sex for men, a lot of times, I know it sounds horrible, but like it's like, do you want tacos or burgers? You know, like that's literally a flip of a coin like that. Now who you love is a completely different scenario. You want them with you on holidays. You want to meet your family. You want to go lay by on the couch on Thanksgiving. You want to find out what her dreams are and make some of those things come true, take her on trips. So you want to spend quality time with her. You want to give her children, things like that. When I'm in Dubai or Miami, and some girl that clearly has her titties and ass all over the internet DMs me. Bro, I'm not going to fall in love with that girl anyway. And I feel like guys that fall in love with girls that are marketed on the internet like that are pretty weak in the first place because they can't see the world for what it is either. What do you look for in that girl? And what girl? Anyone. What would you look for? What's that? So different girls provide different things, right? So if there's a good girl that you can tell that she's a wholesome good person, like truly a good person, and you can respect her on some levels. One thing that I respect in a deep way is let's say I have that conversation with a girl about monogamy, how the world actually works, et cetera. And she can see it and acknowledge it. I really, really respect that because I'm like, this girl can see the world for what it actually is. And I really respect that. And then the girls that are clearly, let's say I'm in Dubai and I meet a girl. And I'm like, what do you do here? And she's like, oh, I invest in crypto. And I look at her Instagram and I'm like, well, okay, well, bullshit. So she's a sugar baby. The man that's paying her way is probably 60 years old. She would rather hang out with me because I'm closer to her age. And she's just praying to God, I fall in love with her so I can take her away from the old man, you know. And so I'll play that game and then go about your business and I'll go hang out with my guys or whatever. Do you still enjoy sex? Do I still enjoy sex? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, man. Yeah. Absolutely. But I tell you this though, I pass on way more sex than I actually, you know, take girls up on. Oh, so? I'm lazy about it. You know, I pass on it a lot just because, man, I'm fucking busy. And I guess at some point, once you've done certain things with certain level of girls, it's not as important. It's like, you know that feeling when you're like 18 years old and it's like you wanna have sex, like it's like coming out of you. Like you're like, yeah, I wanna get like you just, you want to sleep. Now it's just like, eh, like it'd be cool if she flaked because I'll just go to sleep, you know. And so it's different in that way for me. I won't say I'm over it, but it's just, it's not top of my list. What do you think society is now with relationships? Do you think a lot of people are struggling as had the boys on earlier when they were seeing a majority of women now cheat more than men? It's sad to think that people are struggling to find relationships or struggling to stay in relationships. Why do you think that is? I think Instagram wrecked it. I think Instagram wrecked the whole thing. Is it a dating website, huh? Yeah, it's definitely a dating website. I think that if a girl takes a guy seriously, you should at least have her login. Now I know that sounds super controlling and insecure and all those things, but man, look, I'll tell you another thing. If I'm dating a girl and I go on her page and all I can see is cleavage and ass and all that, bro, that's marketing, dude, straight up. And if you can't get a grip on that with your girl, bro, she's gonna leave you anyway. So for me, I'm not, I think Instagram has really ruined relationships in a lot of ways. And it's kind of like kind of, you know, Fresh mentioned this earlier, he was talking about putting your girl in the wrong environment. She could be a good girl when you start out. But if she is in the club and people are just approaching or approaching or approaching or telling her how pretty she is and you've been in a relationship for a year and a half and it's starting to get a little stale or, you know, you're working hard and she feels like she's not getting the attention she needs, well, she can just go on her Instagram and get that attention from a guy who's probably at some way trying to be on your level and giving that girl more attention than you are. So I think Instagram ruins a lot of it, to be honest, because what was it before that? It was Facebook, okay? And then before that, it was just, it was the people in your neighborhood. Bro, you might see a pretty girl at the grocery store, you know, once every two or three weeks and then you might not see that girl again for six months or a year, you know? And I think that temptation is even there for men. And I don't think men need the extra encouragement because I think men are generally more motivated than women in that area, regardless. But fuck, man, you can't open your phone without seeing every girl in Europe right now who wants to be in a bikini when you open your feed. Do you ever see yourself settling down in the future with one woman? In what regard? Just being faithful to the one in future, 10 years, 20 years. Yeah, so I think, I don't look at faithfulness and loyalty in the way of monogamy. I look at it, hey, I made this commitment to you. I'm committed to you that you, I'm gonna give you the best life that you've ever had. You know, I'm going to make sure that you see the world, you have a wonderful life, you don't have to worry about anything, you get to raise your own children. You know, to me, that's a man being loyal to a woman. To sit here and act like I will never sleep with another woman again after I fall in love is I think it'd be, I think it would be me being full of shit, you know. And I don't think any man would really want to do that. I think men that do that, women mistake men's inability to get other women for loyalty. And I think that's a big mistake that people make. I'm not doing anything that any other man would not do if he could. In fact, I've just done it to such a level when you were talking about like riding around in suits and jets and money and fitness and all this stuff. I put myself in a position to earn all those things so I can actually look a girl and I tell her the truth. And although she might not like it, she will take it and she'll be happy with it because number one, I'm not a fucking liar. I've found that women hate a coward. So if I'm all of those things that she loves and she already knows men want to do it and I tell her the truth, I think you, even I have been shocked at how many women consistently say, you know what, whatever you want. Okay. What was it like when you started making serious money? Like, how was that feeling? They just, what was it? Just an overnight, because it wasn't an overnight thing. Like, did you see a change in yourself? Or were you still the same person? Because money's power, especially in this day and age. Yeah, man, you know, it's weird because it doesn't matter how well I do that voice in my head is still there. You know, like if there's, if there was something that I had to reflect on myself that I need to work on, it seems like the more money I make and it goes more and more year after year after year, that voice in my head is never enough. You could have done this. You should have done this. You should have more real estate. You should have more, you should have done crypto earlier. You know, if you would have pivoted the business model, it would have exploded fast. You know, that's something for me that it doesn't go away. And it's also probably my biggest fear that it does. So what has changed for me is I think I look at money as a tool to get things done and a tool to get things done with speed. But as far as who I am as a person, I'm very much the same person. I still go to, when I'm home, man, I still, dude, I just wanna eat a rotisserie chicken for dinner and go to sleep, man. If I see a shirt in Walmart or Target or some shit like that, man, I will buy that shirt and I will wear it on a podcast. Like, I don't care in that way, if that makes sense. When you're happiest? When I feel like I'm growing. Yeah, man, when I feel like, man, I'm making some progress right now. That's what makes me really, really happy. In fact, I think the most dangerous thing in life is that you get to the top of them out without somewhere else to go. When did Andrew take you into your life? Andrew, I think I joined the war room in 2019. And I met him for the first time in Las Vegas. So, I met him in Las Vegas. Me and Tristan really kicked it off. We started hanging out. And yeah, I think the first trip we went on must have been Odessa a couple of years ago. We went to Odessa, there was a big war room event there. And then we went to Dubai to see our buddy Shooter for his birthday. And actually, Shooter's birthday was in Odessa. So yeah, about two or three years ago. How's your relationship now? Bro, I talk to him every day. And what do you think about him being canceled? I think he'll win anyway. I think that being attacked is a sign of greatness. I feel like if you get attacked, that means you're doing something so big that people feel like they want to stop you. I don't suspect that he'll be stopped in any way. He'll have my support to the end. I'm very foot on the gas about that. In regards to him, I push the war room every day on my platform. And I do think it's the best thing a young man could do or any man could do in his life to make it better, to become more worldly, to have a better grip on a situation with women, to have a better grip on a situation with money, to just see the big picture of life. I think it's one of the best things a man could do. What is the war room for people who don't know? The war room is a group of guys that push each other and kind of forge each other through fire to become better men in every way, in all categories. Everything I just said, money, finance, style, networking, the ability to look like you belong in a room for the high net worth of individuals, the ability to sell the, there's little things, just down to the smallest things, real estate. There's a guy the other day, he had his situation with a client. He was trying to close and they were trying to get a price break down. And there's like four or five of us with multimillion dollar companies that jumped in and talked him through that. This is just, we're just there for each other in every way. And at the same time, we'll cuss each other up and down if somebody's fucking up. And I think that's what love really is. I think real love has polarity to it, you know? Like if I really care about you and you're screwing up or if I'm really screwing up and you really care about me, you're not just gonna pat me on the back and say, hey man, it's okay. And wait till I leave and be like, Justin's fucking up. You're gonna say, hey man, hey, you're fucking up. I really care about you, quit doing that shit. That's what the war room is. How do you get a girl? Do you have, everybody's get chart of lanes, our strategies, like how do you approach a girl? A girl? Yeah. Bro, okay, so I think there's phases to it where it's like in the beginning, when you're trying to get a girl, I think the best thing to do is to be in good shape, you know, as a young man particularly. Then while when you're getting in shape, I think the best thing to do like in your 20s is to be in good shape and kind of be on that mission. Cause I believe that girls bet on horses they think will win. And I know that sounds kind of transactional, but in a lot of ways, I think hypergamy says, okay, he's in good shape and he's clearly working hard, he's a winner. He's not sitting at home playing video games all day, smoking weed or whatever, right? So I think that's in the beginning, how you basically get women, but I don't think that you should get a long-term girlfriend in your 20s. I think you should study female nature to the max degree and kind of sample these situations and try these things out and be aware and consciousness of female nature. So you can see things as they're happening. And then at some point you become a guy of status. And then it just gets really, really, really fucking easy, in my opinion. I think any guy, any guy that's not a Chad can get his fitness together, can get his money together and get style and have confidence and will have zero issues with women. I think you absorb women more than you chase women. What's the high value of man to you? First of all, I wanna say something for clarity. I hate the word, like I hate high value, I hate alpha male, I hate all that shit. I know it's a placeholder, but to me, it's a man, he knows who he is. He's taken care of his business and his finance, his fitness, his health, his style. He's able to look somebody in the eyes, have a real conversation with them. He's completely open and willing to be his self. I even think to some degree, a man that's a very high stature, it can even be vulnerable because he's not scared of somebody taking advantage of that because he knows that he can handle his self and give someone repercussions that if he trusts them enough to show some kind of vulnerability, if they try to take advantage of it, he'll make them pay. Like a truly confident man. Why do you think a lot of boys and men are struggling just now with not just mental health, but struggling to get relationships. We're speaking earlier, wanting for the men are virgins that suicide rates through the roof. Why do you think men are really struggling on this planet at the moment? Well, I think that they've lived a lot of, especially the young guys, they're living a lot of their life through the internet. See, man, for me to kiss a girl, I had to get a fucking school bus, drop my backpack and go through the neighborhood and find a girl, man. I had to pick a fucking flower trying to kiss bitches on the trampoline, bro. You know what I'm saying? Or under the bleachers or whatever to make friends I had to go out and you'd have to go out and build a fort in the woods or play tackle football in the yard. Or whatever. If you had beef with a kid, man, you'd actually go out in the yard and fight the kid. It's just how it was. And I think a lot of these guys, they're growing up on the internet. And even if they like a girl, they're not even gonna walk up to her and give her, remember the check, yes or no notes? You know what I'm saying? They're not even doing that, bro. They're like in an Instagram photo from a distance. They can't even go ask her friend if she likes her to go see, you know. So I think it's that. And I think too, is that they're not really challenging themselves physically in any way. You know, I feel like sports is something that's not happening so much. They're not really having any kind of like combative confrontational situations amongst themselves. So I think their communication skills are probably lacking in those areas. And also, like I said, Instagram, it's like when there are, when I went to high school, man, the only girl, excuse me, the only guys that the girls knew about was the guys we went to school with. Now these guys in these high schools, man, they're competing against the chat, the school, like two towns over. And it's not hard for those people to get in touch. So it's like the dating market is getting like almost demonetized by social media. And so I think for a lot of kids, it's not giving them a chance because, you know, the 80, 20, or the 10% of guys that are getting all the girls, I think that's happening at a young age now because of social media. And it's just, it's unfortunate, but it's really pushing the fact that, you know, you really are going to have to compete in life as you grow up. And even these kids in adolescence are going to have to compete. And I think some of them are not used to competing. And for that reason, I think a lot of kids are giving up and they're going on other routes like porn, drugs, video games, et cetera. And they're angry. And I think that's really sad too, because I think generally it's going to be the angry kid that shoots school up. You look it back any day though, World War One, World War Two men, grab your gun, weigh and fight. We've got it fucking easy now. But do you think men are becoming weaker? Yeah, they are becoming weaker, but that's also a narrative, man. Don't you dare act like you'd be willing to fight a war, be violent, or take care of your country, right? You know, because it's like this war on toxic masculinity. Them canceling Andrew is case in point, man. Andrew wasn't telling people to go beat people up for no reason. He wasn't telling anybody to bully anybody. He was just telling people to be strong. And if you can't get behind that, America's in deep shit. So I think there is a war on men being strong, absolutely. And if not by a result of the atmosphere, it's going to happen anyway. What do you think you spoke about vulnerability there for a man who has vulnerable? Yeah, dude, I think that's super important. Like we all have our issues and we all have our flaws and we all have our things that we're trying to overcome. Because if I am, let's say I get to the top of mountain one and I need to get to the top of mountain two, but I see a hole in my game, some weakness I have, you have to address it. That's the only way you're going to get the competency or you might have a bad habit that you have to seam up. You know, I am far, far, far from perfect myself. And there's always things I'm looking in the mirror, you know, combating, you know, what can I do to get around this or what can I do to make sure I get this done? It's never enough. I'm always pushing myself. What do you do when you have a bad day? Man, I think one thing that I probably shouldn't do, I get on myself pretty hard, bro. I'm pretty hard on myself on my head. So that is the first thing that I think I do. And then I really try to reverse engineer what happened because it's always down to some kind of pattern or some kind of habit that's, to me, I really pay attention to my circadian rhythm, like my 24, like that cycle, you know? You know, what time did I go to bed? What did I do before I went to bed? What time did I wake up? How did I feel? That kind of stuff. So I really just try to reverse engineer what happened, why I felt that way, why I think I performed or did not perform in said way, you know? What's your DMs like? See if you post a photo in a private plane, like, is your DMs blow up or is it people more standoff? Is it because you think I'm not going to get him? Oh, man, I get a lot of DMs. I do, but I think women are more subtle than that. So it's not often that the 10 DMs you, I have it happen. I think I probably have it happen more than most if I'm being completely fair. You know, I think I'm probably up there on the attention on social media scale, but normally how it happens is subtle. It's a follow or they like two or three photos and if I don't catch it, you know, I don't catch it, but it's more like that. Now on apps, bro, on the apps, it's easy because you just have them waiting in the already liked you box. So you just got to go through those. But yeah, I mean, the attention is there for sure. So you still do the date naps? Yeah, I'll do them. I'll do them. It's not because you travel a lot, it's easier. Yeah, it is, and it's because I'm lazy. You know what I'm saying? But again, I can't emphasize this enough, man. Like, I pass on it. I like, it's just one of those things where it's like it's not as high on my agenda. You know, I'm always, I'm really into like focusing on the man I'm going to become. I sometimes I'll make videos to myself when I'm 90. So I have this, I have this thing in my phone called the rocking chair. And this old man sitting in the rocking chair. And so I'm talking to him, but I'm giving myself updates on how I feel, what I'm happy that I'm doing right, what I feel like I could do better at, you know, what my game plan is moving forward, what relationships and network, like I'm literally talking to him as if he is my, like my grandfather or some shit. But it's really, it's a note from me that when I'm 90 and I can't live anymore, you know, I can look back. In fact, there's a really cool one I have, one of the first nights at me and all the guys like we went and got shitfaced drunk in a Bucharest, I think. I made one in the bathroom. I'm like, man, I'm in the bathroom right now. So I'm crazy ass country. I got like four 10s here in a wrangle. I'm with the guys. So that's, that's like one of the things. I flew here on a private jet. You know, I grew up in a trailer park. Like this, this past is the rocking chair test for me. And a lot of times I make my decisions in life. Like am I gonna hop on a plane and go to London with Myron and Fresh? And I think to myself, I'm like, would that pass a rocking chair test? Yep, book it. You know, and I just, I really wanna be proud of the man that I've become. And so I feel like I'm answering to the older version of myself all the time. So I keep that folder for myself and kinda check in and let the old man know what's going on. Is that what you keep sure you're saying? You're speaking to that 90 year old? I think so, because I feel like a strong man is a man that he looks to himself for his own moral compass. I always say there's this thing called spiritual gumbo. And gumbo is like this American dish where they throw like sausage and chicken and onions and it's all these different things. But the reason I believe we have a soul is because we listen to a bunch of other people and we take from them, like all the things that we like about them. But so let's say I take 10% of something like let's say Andrew says, and I may take 5% of something like Sterling says and 15% of something Myron says or some author I really like. And I put all those things together and those things all together are kind of the formula that gives me my own frame of reference. And so I take all the experiences and all the things I learned and I'll put them together and that makes me who I am and that's kind of why I believe that we do have souls because we get to choose that formula, if that makes sense. When have you ever been at your happiest? Man, I probably now. What else could you want, bro? You know, I'm free. That's one of the most important things. Financially or spiritually? I probably, man, both, you know. It was very, so I built a business that was a really tough business to build. You know, brick and mortar construction is hard to build. You know, it's hard to get right. It's hard to get all those guys to show up to work and put the building up and, you know, make sure the building doesn't fall down and everybody's tying off and they're safe and the cranes are out and it's loud and it's hard to get paid. And so it took me a decade to build that business and it really got hard at times and there's times I should have probably failed and somehow I pulled it out, you know, like I remortgaged my house a couple of times to make payroll, just crazy shit like that. And I really have become competent in that business. And I think without the pain of the first, let's say seven, eight years, you're 12, you know, you're eight, nine, 10, 11, 12 wouldn't feel so good, you know, when you feel like you've actually earned something, you know, and then when it comes to spiritual, I think the only thing that was really getting in my way was what we talked about earlier with the guilt and how to find a way to be a good person and live when you're full truth. And I've done that and that's one thing I know for a fact. And so for me, freedom, the ability to continue to grow, the future that I see in doing this type of work, continue growing my business, to continue buying real estate, you know, I'm offering on a deal tomorrow that's in Baton Rouge that just came up, I offered on one last week. If I offer on enough of them, somebody's gonna give me one. You know, that means I'm a landlord again. And, you know, I'm inspired by my friends, you know? My iron with Israel estate, it inspires a fuck out of me. You know, I got to riding fresh as Evo the other day. That's a fast fucking car, you know what I'm saying? So I mean, I like, I have some of the best friends I feel like, you know, anybody could ask for. I'm free, my business is running. I feel like I truly built that thing and deserve it. And I'm in a great place spiritually and really have handled any demon I ever had in regards to, you know, love relationships and who I want to be as a man. So yeah, man, this is pretty good. I'm still hard on myself, but I can't sit here and act like I'm not as happy if not happier than I've ever been. When the shitheads define and you have to remortgage your house, what made you push on? Bro, I think it's a bigger risk to have a good job than it is to take on a business and go bankrupt. Thanks, Joel. Because you're trading your soul. Isn't that the bigger risk? Yeah, definitely. You know what I'm saying? Because I could have closed the business. I'd be working for some company now in Dallas or Baton Rouge or some shit. I'd be a project manager sitting in a job trailer right now making 80, 90 grand a year and I'd hate my fucking life. And I think I'd rather work in McDonald's to take another shot at the same business. How does it like talking about the soul and spirituality and loving you, being open about having your heart broke. Like you say, you've not just come here and try to play the masculine card and telling your fucking life's all great and you're living the best life that you've talked about your struggles. I think people will see a different side to you for all the videos you see online. Like you've been a bit of vulnerability here where you've owned your past and what you're doing now and everybody sees the world differently, which is a fucking beautiful thing in my eyes. Like, see when you're living that high life, when you've got to the top when you're sitting at the round tables with some of the most powerful men on the planet. How is that feeling also? Do you feel different around certain men? I believe everything's energies and frequencies anyway, but is there a different feeling at a top table with powerful men than it would be people working at 95? Do you know what I mean? Like your workers who work for your company to then be fuel a different presence in the room? I'm very confident in myself. I knew what it took for me to get to that table. So for me, I'll be like, man, look at this. But at the same time, I know I deserve to be there in regards to sitting at that table with just a normal guy. I'm still just a normal guy. I just did really well and I'm not gonna keep pushing. I don't particularly think in any way even when I'm with my employees and things like that, I'll fly out to a job site just to take a crew to lunch, man. And so we'll all be in there sweaty, have fucking still toe boots on, mud everywhere. And I feel in that moment, I feel really lucky because I know I got guys that'll kill for me because they've been with me for so long and they've had issues and I've helped them in all those different things. I feel like I'm really lucky in that regard. Construction did a lot for me in that way. It was very humbling because I got fucking wrecked a bunch of times and I knew I gave my best and it didn't always work. And so there's a certain level of humility that that business put on me in that way in regards to sitting at a table full of high net worth guys or sitting at a table full of normal guys. As great as my life is or like going to Dubai and being at a table, I'm probably just as happy in Indiana somewhere with those guys, especially when I know I'm making money on the project, my guys are happy, I'm taking care of them while I'm there, et cetera. That part of me is still very there. I don't get the opportunity to show it as much on the internet or talk about it as much. I don't really get asked, but I do think it's really important for anybody that's trying to make their way up to understand that you're gonna be just as happy hanging out with your buddies, drinking whiskey, driving through some back roads in South Louisiana because you haven't seen them in 10 years, listening to Eric Church or some shit, then you would be balling out of control, drinking that same whiskey on a yacht. It's just a different, there's different relationships and they're just different friendships. Me and Tristan and Andrew will go listen to music and ride around Bucharest and drink. We did that. In fact, the last night I was in Bucharest was one of the best nights I had on the entire trip. We're just driving around the Rolls Royce, drinking whiskey, but that could have been my F-150 from home and it'd been the same fun. We weren't doing anything fancy, we're driving around town just drinking. And I feel like when my relationships get to there, especially with high net worth and powerful people that I actually love, man, how could life get any better than that? How do you keep over 100 employees happy? Sometimes you don't, man. But for the most part you do, men, you have to understand, so for me, understanding the male and female dynamic is really important. I understand that men that work for me are under the same pressure I'm under. They just have a different expectation of themselves. Right, so a lot of the things that I do in my business are around, if I'm gonna jump your ass, it's gonna be one of two things. Either you didn't follow a system in the business, which is a big fucking issue for me, because I believe in systems, to make sure that we keep quality, safety quality and production. But number two, this is how I wanna manage. If I have to get on you, I wanna be getting on you because I should be paying you more money, not because you're not making me richer. And what I mean by that is I incentivize my guys with money, I incentivize my people with money. So, hey, here's the goal, here's the profit that the company needs to make on every job, right? But if you can take us to here, I will break you off some of this money. And I feel like that's the most wholesome, honest way to manage people is from, we can make more money together if you wanna get your shit in here. And then I wanna help coach you to do that. And you can tell if somebody has an intention to do that or not. How did you get rid of the goat from the past? I think a lot of people struggle with past, future. I always talk about the power of now which is trying to live in the present moment, but how did you get rid of the goat from the past? Was it something that took time or? No, man, I just realized that I wasn't broken. You know what I mean? Like I thought there was something wrong with me. Like when I was telling you I was in college and I'm like praying, please God, please God, don't let me break up with this girl. I don't wanna feel this way. I did wanna feel this way. I did wanna sleep with that Swedish golf player, you know, at the case in point. What's up girl? You know what I'm saying? And so like, I thought something was wrong with me, man. And there wasn't anything wrong with me. And as many times as I tried to squash that out of my life, it just kept coming back. And so when I finally found a group of people that kind of said, hey, I see you. This is why, you know, this is how I deal with it. And I'm like, oh, well number one, I'm not by myself. Number two, I don't have to be this piece of shit. And I can tell the truth and she can either come and go. And that's fine, but at least I told the truth. So if she stayed, she had made the choice to stay. Not only did she make the choice to stay, but she made the choice that her life would be better if she stays. Because I have also dated women that have told me that they left someone because he cheated. And there was a particular moment in my life where a girl told me that and I said, you know, you didn't leave him because he cheated on you. She goes, what do you mean? I said, you left him because he was too much of a coward to tell you. And she let a week go by and she came to me. She goes, you know what? I was really pissed when you said that to me. But looking back, I did leave him because of that. Because he was a, he just lied to me like a coward. He hit it from me, he didn't tell me the truth. He held it behind my back. He let there be this weird energy between us. And I just lost respect for him. I think all women know the truth. It's just, are you the kind of man that deserves to be able to tell the truth in that way? And will they, will they stay with you anyway? Because of who you become? And then number two, are you gonna be an ethical person and be right down the pipe and say, hey, listen, this is how I feel. And you know, when people combat me with that, you know what I say to them? My dad combats me with this a lot. And I love my dad, he's cool. No problem with him, but he'll be like, well son, don't you just think? I said, dad, let me ask you a question. I said, if I came to you today, this is important, dad. Like I try to get them in a, I got them in a serious zone. I do this to people all the time. I said, listen, I need to, I need to ask you a question that's really serious. I'm like, okay, what's going on? If I told you I was homosexual, would you still love me? And they go, of course. Oh my God, I hadn't, I said, no, I'm not homosexual. I just love sleeping with women and I'm coming out the closet. Do you still love me now? And they have to accept my sexual preference because they're okay if I'm gay. So you have to be okay if I'm just super straight as long as I'm telling the truth. And so that's what I do to people. Like if one of my aunts or something or anybody tries to come at me with that, I just ask them, would you love me if I was gay? And they say, yeah. And I'm like, okay, cool. Well, I'm not gay. I actually just really love sleeping with a bunch of women. And so what are they gonna say to me? What about the girls who watch your stuff and watch all the videos you've been doing over the last two years and say they've got girlfriends, but they're all whores if they accept that. Why do you think they say that? I think girls try to guilt other girls. So I think like, let's say I had a man check, right? And let's say I actually showed her to the world. All the girls that wanted her spot would attack her by calling her a whore or a slut or I can't believe I would never. Yeah, you would bitch. Yeah, you would. Because I, you know what? I can't think of a woman I've told this to and she wanted to quit see me in the last year and a half. I can't think of a girl. They actively let like, they'll say it, they're like, it hurts or sometimes I feel confused or I wanna see you more. That's the number one complaint I get is that I don't get to see you, you know? But outside of that, no, I don't have girls say, no, I don't wanna see you. Because if they made that decision, they'll just watch some of our content and just not talk to me. The girls ever think they can change you? I don't know how girls say I can tame the lion and all this shit. They never feel as if genuine. They can make changes in you. I think previous to the last couple of years, yeah. But I think now they know. They know they can't stop me now. You know, like, I think they get it. In fact, if anything, they'll use that as a way to try to back, they'll use it as a mechanism to be like, I know you're never gonna settle down. I just wanna back away. But really, it's just like a backhanded threat, right? And I'm like, okay, no, I completely understand it. Then they'll DM me a week later and then. So. Straight back to business? Yeah, straight back to business. Is that, because as men, myself included, it was very manipulative. I could manipulate women, girls to believe what I wanted them to tell lies. Do you think a lot of relationships break down because there's not enough truth spoke in it? Absolutely. But one thing you have to understand about that truth is you're gonna tell her once and then she wants to live in this fairy tale that what you said didn't happen. And so you have to really pay attention to whether or not she really heard you. You gotta make sure she really hears you. And then from there, I think it's ideal not to throw it in her face so much. How do you choose between a main girl and just someone who has a piece of ass? Like, how do you choose the difference? Or can people walk up? So hopefully, I don't look at any of them as just a piece of ass. Hopefully, I really genuinely care about them. There's been girls that I sleep. Like, I had this girl that I used to see in New Orleans on and off for 10 years. Man, I've helped her figure her finances out. I've helped her deal with career decisions, man. Like, I love her as a person, you know? But you can't, you know, like that feeling you feel when it's different, you know? You can't make a heart love somebody, you know? They can have all the right ingredients and say all the right things, but if you feel it, you feel it and you don't, you don't. You know that energy I'm talking about. Now, it helps if there's no sexuality on our social media if she can be stoic in a way and understand how, like, when you have that conversation, she doesn't act immature. If she can understand, like, truly what you're saying and how she doesn't have to agree with everything you say, but it's how the conflict is handled. And so I like when it comes to if it's gonna be a main girl and I, it's like, can she be a responsible adult that I can have a conversation with just like this? And she's not gonna use manipulation tactics or use things that don't really have anything to do that are emotional more than they are, you know, pragmatic. So you're a girlfriend, they can't speak to other men, they can't cheat, it's just... That's right, yep, that's correct. And they know this. Do you tell them that straight away? Yeah, straight away, straight away, yeah. And there's generally no issue with that. The bro, if a woman loves you, she doesn't wanna sleep with another man, you know? No, I'm not saying that there's not been women that I would see off and on that I think that they don't ever sleep with another man. But if they're like legitimately talking to me, then no, of course not. What do you think now before the social media and all the videos? Because a senior video that was popping off when you spoke about Andrew Tate, you spoke about why he's Andrew so bold and confident. Yeah. And you spoke about because it was his brother, what was that story? Well, one thing I'll say about that, if I could have added to that statement, I would have said that, you know, obviously Andrew had an emory, you know, his father was a big part of his life as well. But what I said, and then obviously Andrew is a man, is his own man. I'd also say that. But what I was talking about is the first time I met Tristan and Andrew in person was in Las Vegas. And I asked, you know, I asked Andrew, I said, man, you know, you say all these things and you get to speak all this truth and people come at you and he goes, I know, but I have Tristan. And that meant so much to me. And in a lot of ways, I feel like I've been able to speak very freely and openly because I have Andrew, Tristan and Myron and Walt and Sterling. You know, I feel like I have brothers that understand me now and I know no matter who comes after me, no matter who tries to persecute me for telling my truth, that I'll have people that still love me regardless. And I don't think you can buy that. I think that's a level of wealth that very, very, very few people achieve. What about the people who's with all these chats and podcasts, people are calling you sexist and fucking feminists and what do you think of that? I believe everybody should have their opinion like you say for each speech, say what the fuck you want. Let them talk, man. Don't cancel someone because they have their own opinion on certain fields that you don't agree with. Yeah, man. So I mean, obviously, you know how I feel about Andrew getting canceled, but I think people should be able to talk fully. And I'm open to hearing somebody's side, you know, even in regards to what, if they're triggered, you know, let's hear it. But can you have an emotional conversation that's based in fact? And I think that's one of the reasons that you like, even like Myron, he Frank Castles a bunch of people because they're not talking in fact anymore. They're talking in emotion and they go from emotion to realizing that they're wrong to go into some level of disrespect that can't be tolerated. And that I won't sit there and listen to. So if I'm talking to some guy with purple hair, I'm like, hey man, you know, cool, sit down. What's your name? John, okay, cool, nice to meet you. Let's talk about this subject, and this subject. When it gets away from fact, me and John got a problem, you know? Me and somebody that, because I'm willing to listen, but at the same time, I'm not going to have someone's emotions splattered out on the table and me have to take their emotions and trade their emotions out for actual facts and how things actually function in the world. That's bullshit, you know? So that's how I feel about it. I'd listen to anybody's point. Any race, religion, color, sexual preference, anything. You know, I have no problem with that. I'll tell you another person who's done Andrew. But I'm not gonna sit there and trade out people's emotions and what they want in their temper tantrums for actual facts and how the world works in my observation of the world that I've seen them all in two eyes. I'm not doing that. Do you think man and women are equal on this planet? You know, I think that in regards to importance, we have to have both of us. You have to. I think men have this huge list of things that they do like invent, build, maintain society, fight all the wars, make sure that civilization happens. And I think women do probably a smaller list of things but the impactfulness of bearing children, the impactfulness of keeping a home, the impactfulness of the feminine nature around like supporting a man is very, very important and his ability to keep this other structure for society to go. I'm not saying that I don't think women should work or anything like that, but I will say I don't think they're as happy outside of that feminine role. I think that we are very different. I think we're both very necessary in our own ways. And I don't think that that's wrong. And I think that any woman that had a man that she thought was worthy of playing that female role too in support would not only do it, but be very, very happy doing so. I have no problem with women that want to work. I do think that the list of things that we do are substantially different, but the values at the end have to come together in that yin and yang format. I really believe that. But we'll see the world definitely. For me personally, I believe in old-school models, I believe I should about providing. I believe my message should be home with the kids. Like, why should a woman give birth? And then straight back to work some three months, six months later, took away from your kid and having someone else educate them, raise them. Right. Would you send your kids to a male daycare? No. Fuck no. No, definitely not. Women are the most incredible nurturing things. And we're like, why, you know, I think that when we take them out of their role and we feed them full of bullshit that we're lying to them. What do you think of the state of the world just now? Do you think it's in turmoil or do you think it's improving? No, man, I think it's a mess. But you know what I also think, I think all throughout history, if you were to go back to, if we were able to have this conversation 30 years ago, we had to say it was a mess, you know? Now it's getting to a point where it's a little, it's a little crazy. But I also think it, of course, correct itself, hopefully before we start, you know, going completely mad. Yeah, it's human being same as social media. We are the guinea pigs for it. Like back in the day, you had doctors smoking cigarettes, saying it was so good for you. Now we've got phones, our necks are slouching, our fingers are bending in, like the information that's going through our brain at such a high speed is unbelievable. We don't know what effects that's going to have in the next five to 20 years. Like the brain is such a powerful tool, but are we destroying it or are we fucking utilizing it to make the world a better place? Like it's such a weird fucking time to be in. I love life. I'm happy majority of the time. A lot, sometimes I do struggle, but it's down to me to fucking get out of bed. It's down to me to make moves. It's down to me to make changes and try and kick on. I don't have all the answers. How we should be living life. I just know how the fucking, how do we actually live mine? You should do what the fuck you want in this world. As long as you're not hurting anyone, that's gonna be you. Right, just fucking be you, don't. I just think the world's so confused. Everybody has an opinion, which is great, but social media has gave everybody a tool to target you, hate you, and try and bring you down for seeing the world a little differently. How do you deal with the social media stuff when you're speaking the way you want to speak and just being you, the way you've been as a kid to where you are now? How do you deal with the negative comments? Man, I'm good with it. I, as long as the only time it ever bothers me if I get a negative comment is if I feel like I either did not finish my thought fully, so which would leave me feeling misunderstood, or there's been, I would say less than a handful of times where I agreed with what I said, but I wish I had said it differently. Maybe more composed with more class, like I got incited in some moment. So if I get a negative comment on one of those, I'm like, well, you know, I don't really think I said it the way I would want to, but 99 out of 100, I'm completely fine with it. I said it just how I want it. I said it just how I believe it. And if there's a negative comment, don't care. Don't care. And in fact, if anything, it's almost like I'm good for you, little buddy. Cause most of the time it's some fucking avatar anyway, you know, it's very seldom where somebody says something negative to me and I'm like, yeah, you know what? That looks like a really respectable guy. Maybe I should think about that. This just doesn't happen very much. You know how the internet is. You know how the internet is. Yeah, as you have a father and a soul, like Christians that they believe in Jesus God. Yeah, very much so. Yeah, Fire and Brimstone on me. Yeah. What do they say about your lifestyle? Do they know as much as you do? They do, they do, man. But I think that you'll find that, you know, what I find is that even religious people, I don't think they're as, I don't think that they believe it. They'll tell you that they do, but their actions tell me that they don't believe that there's some guy up in heaven sitting on some, you know, throne saying that. Oh, well, Justin's fucking up. He's gonna burn in hell for eternity. I don't think that they look at it like that. That now when I was growing up, that's what they made us believe for sure. But I don't, I just do people's actions. I don't, I don't think that, you know, they think you're going to hell for real. And if anything, they kind of chuckle at it, man. He'll be like, son, I'll watch that video you made the other day. Boy, you said that pretty harshly. I'm like, yes, sir, I did. He's like, what, what do those girls think? I'm like, dad, you know, he's like, well, I know you son, you know, he's Southern, you know, so it's, it's good, man. There's not really a lot of negative feedback from my family. If anything, my dad watches all my videos. That's mad that he watches all your stuff, huh? He watches them all, bro. Yeah. That's funny. Do you still, have you ever had to talk to them about what you went through as a kid back in the day? No, man, they know, they were there. Like we've had, so I'll tell you this, I have had a conversation with my father about this because, you know, he, he didn't have anything that I or you have in regards to getting information. He grew up in a world where he saw his father, Mary's mother, and his father was a business guy and it worked out. There was no infidelity. There was no violence. There was nothing. I mean, like he saw a very, he saw at work, the traditional way. He really saw that work, right? And so when he bumped into my mom and they started, you know, then when that didn't work out, he, he did everything he knew he could. What he's supposed to do with the world that he's supposed to do. And also think that happens to guys even now today that don't watch YouTube, because I think they found themselves getting angry because they did everything that Disney's told them they were supposed to do and it didn't work. And in fact, if anything was the opposite, you know, so what I've told him is that, and what I've openly said is that I believe my father is a good man. I just don't think he had the information I have. If that makes sense. So I don't blame him for anything that I saw or experienced or that he had to experience because I think it's just like I said before, sometimes it's not because you're a coward. It's because you have a lack of information or consciousness on the subject. Where do you go forward now for the future? What's the plans? Yeah, I'm gonna build this channel. I'm gonna continue to try to grow my network of friends and associates when I keep growing my company. I'm going to continue to push guys into the war room or create ways for them to become better or have answers to some really challenging things that are happening in the world. And just do my best to be helpful. I gotta say that this work in comparison to construction is a lot more fulfilling. I get messages every day. People stop me in the airport and when I'm walking down the street, it means the world to me, man. It's really fucking cool for me. It's very new. So I'm gonna keep doing that. And hopefully I can help some people out and make some money and just keep growing as a man myself. For anybody that maybe want to start off on business, what advice would you have for them? Expect to get punched in the face a lot. Know that quitting is more dangerous than taking a good job. And make sure you read everything you can and spend a lot of time with the authors of books and YouTubers that have business courses probably even more so than you spend with your friends going to football games and playing fantasy football or drinking beer. For anybody that I know you've got a Playboy lifestyle now, but for anybody that's maybe sitting now watching this that's just had their heart broken, what advice would you have for them? It's gonna wear off. It's gonna wear off. You need to go to the gym. You need to work on everything it takes to be a high caliber man. And you need to make sure that you don't contact her and you go become that man. And I promise you, Cowboy, she will call you. She will call you. What's all your social media links, brother? Your YouTube channel where people can get in contact. YouTube is Jay Waller. And if you're interested in enjoying the war room or getting in touch with me personally for anything, my Instagram is JayWaller7. Would you like to finish up on anything, brother? I would just say that understanding is gonna be hard. And if it hurts, you're probably on the right path. And even people that you look up to and you believe have done better are the people that you want to aspire to be, have their own challenges and they have their own things that they're trying to get done as well. And they're climbing mountains just like you are. They're just at a different place in the climb. But coming on today, brother, I'm telling you a story, mate. I thoroughly enjoyed that. Wish you all the best for the future. Keep doing what you're doing because whatever you're doing is working. But God bless you and take care. All right, brother. Thanks, brother.