 Welcome to Dare to Dream. This is Debbie Daschinger. And my question is, what do these have in common? Spiritual events, transformation, karma, rebirth. Well, today's show features Robert Quicksilver, the executive producer of the Conscious Life Expo, a three-day gathering of spiritual and UFO-related tribes, celebrating consciousness, and offering powerful transformational sessions. Dare to Dream won the COVR Award for Best Radio & Podcast Show, WELP Magazine listed Dare to Dream with Debbie Daschinger as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year, its high ranking under Apple Podcasts for self-improvement, and we were recently notified that Dare to Dream won one-three Talk Radio Positive Change Awards. Thank you guys for being on this journey and helping the show get where it is. It will be almost 17 years. I've been doing the show on radio and podcasts in a couple of years, and it is still my joy spot. This show is sponsored by Dr. Dane here in Access Consciousness. They do beautiful energy work out into the world. If you'd like to become a facilitator or take a class, go to drdanehereheer.com. I'm Debbie Daschinger. I'm a media visibility specialist, and I'm a book writing coach. I show you how to take your book from inception idea to successfully published. I also have a company that takes author's books to a guaranteed international bestselling status, and I do all the heavy lifting for the author. And finally, I run a boutique agency. I'm a publicist for a handful of amazing transformational folks getting them booked on radio and podcast. If you'd like to learn how to become way more visible in what you do, and after all that is why you came here right now with the message and the gifts you did, then allow me to give you a gift to teach you how to get there quickly. Go to debbiedaschinger.com. That's D-E-B-B-I. D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R. Well, my guest is Robert Quicksilver, executive producer who began producing the Conscious Life Expo in 2002. Robert is author of the book Ten Thousand Years. Prior to producing the Expo, Quicksilver was founder and director of Star Magic, a national chain of New Age gift stores. He's been involved in alternative healing and metaphysics since the early 70s and often exhibited at the old Whole Life Expos. If you'd like to learn more about him and certainly about his upcoming Expo, I will have the link in the show notes and to say it out loud so you can remember where to go. And I highly recommend you do ConsciousLifeExpo.com. And with that, I very happily bring Robert Quicksilver on the show. It is so great to have you. Welcome. Hi, Debbie. How are you doing? I am so good. I'm so excited, actually, to do this. I knew you originally from afar because you put on this amazing event that I loved. And then I've come to know you in the past year and a half, which I'm very grateful for and I treasure you. And I am curious to start with what possessed you because it's a grand idea you had to create an Expo at this level. What possessed you to want to put something like this on and invite spiritual people from all over the world? I don't know. It just came in, you know, you go through your day and you don't know like bus or train or any situation. So it was sometime in 2002. It was like a normal day. And then, you know, do whatever I don't remember what I was doing. And then this just showed up. This opportunity showed up. And what are the circumstances are? It doesn't matter. This was after the 9-11 things and the old whole life expos, which had been doing this kind of work for a very long time, had kind of didn't stopped during the 9-11 stuff. This is way back 20 years ago and like that. And so it just showed up the opportunity to do a show. So a person named Sheema, who you may know from the Expo. And then there was Paul Andrews, who had been doing the whole life expos for years and years. And Kenny Kaufman, who had been doing the shows up in San Francisco for years under whole life. So I just kind of knew these people and it just showed up. That's the market in LA. There was a huge hole in the market because the old Expo had gone away and nobody was doing nothing, anything. And so we just decided to do it. It just decided itself, so to speak. And so my experience with it is that it's kind of a big deal. And it's a big idea. And a lot of people, I don't even think that it's like my idea even. I kind of want to like, it's kind of the whole consciousness of our community. And I just happen to be in a place to be able to having a skill set to do production of things and having the, you know, oriented towards these ideas. And then, and now, you know, I feel like the universe set it up. What could I say? It's like, there's like a destiny to it. I didn't try to create it. It just showed up, fell in my lap. Wow. And something else had ended right before that. It was right after 9-11 and like, and it just showed up. And so it started. It wasn't a big deal at the time when I first started it. The first year it was like, you know, it was great. But, you know, I was like half of the size it is now. It was great. And over all the years through the 2002 up for the next 20 years, right? Or something. Just one year just follows the next. And I have a sense of like, and I don't mean to overstate this, but it's like, there's like a higher force that's kind of, kind of there. And I'm like an agent for it. Can you explain if anybody has not been to the LA conscious life expo before? What would be your descriptives? What it is, what it's like? It comes to mind is the like, thinking in the medieval times, those kinds of fairs were, where, where I don't know how they do marketing and business. Kind of trade, you know, fairs. Like think of like, what's that called the Renaissance fair, right? Because everyone must be familiar with it. So this is not that outside. It's not a Renaissancey thing, but it's like a fair. It's not, it's not only like kind of just conference. It's not only, it's a lot of exhibitors and there's a lot of partying, you know, party partying, but like, you know, people connecting and getting together. So it's just like, it's like a fair. And that was one of the names that I almost didn't call it conscious life. That's why I'm almost called it the conscious life fair in the beginning, thinking of, of that model of the kind of the, you know, middle-aged type model for like a Renaissance fair. But, but it's not that. It's not that at all. It's in a fancy hotel in Los Angeles. You know, so, so it's not that, that crystal chandelier was kind of. And in it, there are paradigms that are explored such as science and spirituality and longevity, health, well-being, UFO extra terrestrials, cutting-edge metaphysics. There are people who speak all weekend long, Friday, February 9th through Monday, February 12th. And in the LAX Hilton. And it's three floors. It's enormous. Is it actually, I don't know if this number is correct. Are there 15,000 people who walk through those doors from around the world? No, I think that's too many. I think, I think, I think if we got 10,000, that's like a lot of people. So I think over the weekend, I think, you know, it's not each day, there's that many people, but over the weekend, 3,000, 4,000, you know, per day kind of thing. So I think it, you know, I don't really do that arithmetic to add it up. It just looks busy to me all the time. I'm crowded and busy with a lot of activity, a lot of people connecting and talking with each other and the exhibit hall, people selling all their wares and stuff. And the speakers get all the rooms packed with rooms. So, so, um, yeah. So I, you know, I saw, I don't know. I don't know. I don't really measure. I don't really count that. You know, I mean, I could, but I, it's just what, what would I do with that? So it's about 10,000 people. What does it take to be you for those four days? I can't imagine. You can even mention this. What you're going through right now, three weeks ahead of it, because this is launch time. And then during the actual expo, Robert, what does it take to be you? Is it very stressful? Are you managing nine million things and people putting out fires? Are you enjoying yourself? What is it? Um, I'd say that my goal is to have it where I don't have to be there. So I'm like good at what I do. And if I'm not, if I'm in Hawaii for the whole expo, and it still functions perfectly. So that's, so me being there, I don't really have a job anymore because my job is to create it. And then, you know, I'm, I'm there and I, I, you know, there's stuff to do. It's not, you know, it's not a black and white thing. But, but I try to have it where as though it's self functioning. And so part of that is I have a really great staff of people that I work with them. You might even, of course, you know them and they, you know, they're all awesome. Christine and Serena and Michael. I was on and on Shema. So, so all these people are really great at what they do. And they have this love of the work also. And, and yeah, like that. So it's, it's, um, it's great working with dedicated people who are, you know, just doing their thing. And, you know, be a very, very, I think it's an inspired thing. I didn't, I didn't like pick those, these people. It's not like again, I didn't like having an interview and say, we're going to hire four people. And, you know, you know, kind of been there, done that in different businesses over time. But, but here it's just kind of people show up. It's, I'm saying there's like a destiny to it. It's like, it's like people show up. Like, like, for example, like, um, like you want, you know, here you are, and we're working together now. I didn't like go to find you and do what you do. But you're, you've kind of come how integrated have become integrated into the community of people. It's not like anyone tried to do anything. So you say, but I manifested that. Oh, okay. Well, I did. I would sit there Robert for years, like 10, 12 years ago, when I was just doing, I would interview one of your speakers now and then that was the extent of my involvement. And I would sit in the audience and I would watch and I'd go, I want to be moderating those panels. I want to be introducing speakers. I want to be. That was it. It was just a thought form for me. Like watching George Norrie, watching Jimmy Church, watching Ellen Steinfeld and going, put me in the game, coach, put me in the game. But nothing else happened except exactly as you're saying organically how we came together and started this work. I mean, I'm overjoyed. This is definitely intention put into manifestation. I think that's exactly, that's exactly right. And again, I want to say it's like, I believe that I can make up any story about it, but I believe that there's a higher force at play bringing a community of souls together to do the work and also bringing them to the expo to have the community together with all the 10,000 people like minded people over a few days. You just don't get that really anywhere else. The greatest speakers. I mean, that's the other thing every year, up leveling, up leveling as though it can't get any better, but some of the greatest experts in subjects that all of us listening, watching now are very interested in. And I love hearing these people. I take things from all of your speakers and workshops. I can tell you, for instance, Matthew James Bailey, who will be attending. I mean, he's brilliant. He speaks about AI and he couches it in a way that everybody will learn something very important and very positive about, but he's actually changed my personal and professional life just by listening to him, giving me safe tools. Yeah. Well, there you go. So that reminds me of a story one time someone told me that. So we've been doing this a long time now, like since 2002. And so that was a long time ago. So I meet people now who were kids then, whose mother or father brought them to the expo in 2005. So that's 20 years later. They're older, obviously, adults. And now they're coming to the expo and they're bringing their kids to the expo. So it's almost like generational that like, it's a community of like individual, like-minded individuals. And not that we are all the same and not like that at all. I mean, there's a whole huge kinds of variety of people. But we have this one thing in common, I think, that this kind of aspiration or transformational aspiration, some kind of something better out there. And so I don't know. So that's what we try to do that. And we try to do that. The more I find out about you, Robert, the more cool I think you are. I was researching you and I found out that at one time you were working to achieve your master's degree in Asian and comparative studies. Did you complete your master's in that? I didn't present the thesis. It's a book that I'm writing. And then, I don't know, I think I got married and started having kids right in the middle of that. And it kind of ran out of time to finish it 20 or 30 years ago when I should have finished it. I wrote a bunch of books. I think one of them you mentioned you're only 10,000 years. And yeah, so it's like a book on, thesis is on the law of octaves. Very obscure, but if you know about your music theories, octaves. But that whole law of octaves and the law of seven relates seven and eight. It's kind of beginning and ending of things. And so there's a lot of laws like universal law, law of three and the law of seven. And different religions have a lot of information about that. Anyway, so that was my thesis. And one day I'm going to finish it. I may not get a degree, but I'll finish the book anyway. Okay, so I'm a little bit intrigued then. What is the law of three? What is the law of seven? Will you share a little bit? Well, like we think of the Trinity in a Christian sense or positive, negative and neutralizing in terms of forces. So there's a lot of things. And we could say there's a lot of things which have four, a lot of things that's also true. It's not like this is, but the law of three is like the triangle. So if you think of the law of seven and like an enneagram, you know what an enneagram is? And it's like a circle with a kind of, there are eight points and there are seven of these ditties. And the triangle, the fits right inside of it perfectly. It's like, so geometry and, you know, when God made the universe, he used geometry in some way to make it. And so these, you know, there seems, there are things that are obviously, you know, that Einstein figured something pretty important out. So these are the kind of laws that govern the construction of the universe. And so I was interested in numbers and how things come. Anyway, I don't have it all in my memory. I have a whole thick book. I could bring it out and read it to you. But anyway, so, but I don't know that it's on my list to do that. I'm still working on it. I didn't finish that. But the Institute, though, going back there was an amazing thing. This was in the mid-70s, 1975. I had just whatever situation it was. And I came in and went to this school in San Francisco called the California Institute of Asian Studies and starting in 1975. And this is not completely true, but I don't really have any memory before then. I do. I remember my child. It's not like I don't. But all the people I know in the world and all the situations I'm involved in, including my family and the work and everything, stemmed out of that, started in 1975 when I started taking classes at the Institute. And I met people there who are my friends still now. And I don't know anyone from my childhood or high school or college. I have no clue at all about that. But the people who I know, I started meeting in 1975, including a man who's passed now, named Frank Douglas, who founded a church called the Church of Gentle Brothers and Sisters. I'm going to tell you a story. So he, this guy was from New York and he had kind of a revelation of some kind. He went to Mexico and started doing healing work in Mexico. And he was gifted with kind of healing ability where he could touch people. There are healers in the world who have this amazing ability. Not a mental thing. It's almost like physical almost, where they, through touch, people get something. And so anyway, so when I was at the Institute taking classes in all sorts of interesting things, he was a guest teacher. And I met him, this was in 1975. And I met him and he was, he had studied, he was teaching hand doing hand analysis at the time. And this was a class on all the different kinds of metaphysical tools like tarot and hand analysis or runes or, you know, there's half a dozen different things. And there was a class about all those kinds of methodologies for cultivating the intuition. Anyway, he was, he did hand analysis and he was a guest speaker. And I had been studying hand analysis separately on my own with someone else. Anyway, it was a connection. So after the class we can, and I went, then the next weekend I went and I met his, his group of people who was the, all the ministers in his little church, which was just non-denominational thing. I'm getting to the story. So I became a minister in this church and we would go around and we all lived communally in Belenus, which is a little beautiful spot right north of San Francisco. And what we did, we go on weekends, we go to the different churches around San Francisco and set up shop and do readings and healings for people. So I spent a year living in this kind of church commune going around doing healing work and reading hands and stuff, finding out what people need, what kind of healing they need. You know, you could tell a lot from a hand, you know, and once people open up, they just tell you, you know, what's, what's going on. So anyway, so that was really great. And so now all the people I know in the world, I know from that group, like I married one of the ministers and had a whole family. My kids became ordained. And I, you know, not the expo people now so much, but other kind of personal friends and stuff. And anyway, so, yeah. And anyway, so that was, that was, that's how that happened. And, and so, so that's how I got, you didn't ask, but I'll tell you, that's how I'd gotten the name Quicksilver. It was an ordained, when I became ordained, that was each of the ministers, when they became, they were about 30 of us at one point, became what they all got a new name in the ordination. So, like that. And so I was, my name was Robert was my kind of birth name. And so they, I'd written a poem, I'd written this long epic poem called The Legend of Quicksilver, which you haven't seen. No. And it's about a, it's pretty long, it's probably 40 pages long or something. And it's about like a, remember the rhyme of the ancient mariner or something like that was a long poem like that. But this was about a guy had a spaceship and he's traveled around the universe and he lands on different planets at different times. And then he landed on earth and then had the experiences of the earth experience, which are not always so great, you know, comes up and down is our experience here. And, but then he worked through his stuff anyway. So it was, but then, and then the whole time he was on earth, he didn't know his name, but then he met a girl, a girl at the end of the poem, who knew his name and told him, finally what his name is. Oh, that's just amazing. I'll show that too. You'll enjoy that poem. I'll make a note, I'll send it to you. It's digital. You know, I wondered because you have an amazing name, right? It's sort of, it's got charisma and some stardom to it. And it's like a name, somebody should be doing something like the conscious life expo. Right. And here there's actually a story behind it. And I love the fact that you kept the name. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, it's, I think of it as another trade name, you know, because there's a part of it's asked, I have to take, be responsible for being who I am also, but, but I see what you say, you know, it's true. It's like a marketing thing where it's kind of easily recognizable and, and like that. So I use it that way. And when I was in a straight business, before I started doing expos in 2002, I was in a, I spent my adult life in manufacturing where I manufactured furniture, commercial furniture. So they did glass furniture, glass furniture, furniture. And, and in that business, you didn't want to have, you just wanted to be kind of really normal. Like, you know, like really Tom, Tom Jones or something, you know, so I couldn't really use my, I had to wear suits and stuff. Like, you know, but anyway, not the point. So, so, yeah, so it became a kind of a name to use it for the expo. It's perfect. Yeah. Perfect. And what about puzzles? Because we had lunch one time and you were working on your own creation, which I thought was phenomenal. I know puzzles are so good for all of us to do. It's really good to keep your brain healthy and active. So you create your own, I think, crossword puzzles. Is that right? Yeah, I kind of like to do crossword puzzles during lunch or something. It's fun to kind of just do that or, you know, sometimes for a break. But I started doing my own, making my own crossword puzzles and I made it, did a book of crossword puzzles. I only did five. So it's, but it still took a long book out. It's really making a crossword puzzle was the hardest thing. Cause in crossword puzzles, if you've done them, there's, you know, there's a lot of stupid words that people will use. And I was like, that pisses me off. So I wouldn't, I couldn't do, so I had to use, I had to really beat up the puzzle and make it so that it was really coherent, that all the words had weren't just arbitrary, made up stupid words, which in crossword puzzles, you get a lot of that. I don't know if you do crossword puzzles. Yeah. My mom was huge into that. She was big into the New York Times crossword puzzles. I mean, all of that, that connecting and going across, and this word has to match all of this and all, it's like, it's a labyrinth of words. So then, so then you can visualize a crossword puzzle. I guess I could find the book and show it to you, but you know how all the little black squares are all lined up next to each other in a certain geometric pattern and they were kind of one, they kind of mirror imaging each other everywhere. Okay. Okay. So I abandoned that and I started making designs on the page with the boxes. So I did a puzzle on Buddhism, just using only Buddhist words. Oh, cool. And so instead of having the black boxes, I made the black boxes on the grid, an empty grid, I put them and I made the shape of a Buddha. You can visualize a sitting Buddha image, right? And imagine that was dark. And then anyway, whatever it was. And so those are all Buddhist words. And then I did one on Hindu words only. I studied all that stuff at the Institute. And then I did one on all Hebrew, on Jewish words, send that one to you. And that visually was a Jewish star. You could visualize the boxes creating the image of a star, of a six-pointed star. And all the words were related to that concept. I'll send you the book. If I figure it out, I should get something because I'm sure they're difficult. I can't even do them. If I go back now, I wouldn't be able to do them. Looking at the answers. That's great. That's so creative. Yeah. It's a perfect segue because I want to talk to you first about karma. And then about rebirth. I want to ask you just at the top, Robert, how do you define karma? And in your definition of karma, how does it influence or shape our actions and our experiences in life? Okay. I think that's a really important question. So karma is really, really simple. It's the law of action and reaction. I think that's, we understand kind of, you know, we see it in our world every day, push something and moves or, you know, there's all the situations where we create situations and there are consequences to our situation. So if we go into a situation with anger and blah, blah, blah, we're not going to get a good healing result out of that. We're going to get more anger out of that. We're going to get a consequence of anger, which is not healing, which is just more whatever, not stuff. So once you know and really believe that your actions have consequence, that you're not just like, it's not without consequences. So they all have consequences. When we meet a stranger walking down the street and okay, that's not a good example. So say with someone we care about. So if they say something and you know, and I could choose to be angry and maybe that's a hard, it's hard into personal situations where it's really hard to watch our feelings and emotions. But once we understand that if I project onto my partner, anger, that's not going to get me love, you know. So it's learning that the consequences of our words and our actions have impact. And so if we want to have a shitty life and a shitty world, we should go about hitting people and banging on people's heads and throwing bombs at them. And then we'll get that consequence. If we want to have a loving world where there's peace and harmony and people are happy, then we have to bring those kinds of elements into our lives. And so I think that's the law of karma, is that there are consequences to our actions. I don't think there's anyone watching that. I think it's just like a law that happens. You know, gravity, it's like a law. It just happens. There are consequences to our actions. And we may not be able to see them always in the moment, but in the long haul, it has to add up that way. It only adds up that way. Same thing with birth and death. When we're having a life and we have a life of what we do, we try to do good work. And this is mostly true for most people, you know, trying to do good things and not, you know, be ridiculous. And then so then, you know, then the rebirth, then there's again, the law of comments, it goes over a lot. It's not just one lifetime because it's not enough time to have all the consequences of our actions, so to speak. And so, you know, when you think of like multiple lifetimes and then the different kind of patterns we establish in one lifetime, we create the, which become the causes for the consequences in the future. So if we live a few lifetimes doing good work and we can expect, or the law is that the future life consequence will be good. I mean, I've got a question for you. Very Buddhist really. That's really very Buddhist, you know. I understand what you're saying very much. And I'd like to think that most of us live our lives understanding that we want to do right for the right reasons. And we want to do right. I mean, this is something that comes into my consciousness a lot. I think what would I want? You know, what would I want? Like, for instance, last year my mother died. We had a dog died. And I felt so beautiful about the experiences. Difficult, painful experiences, but also quite beautiful because of the way I chose to show up for these, the dog and the human at the end of their life and the things I was able to do and facilitate. That felt like amazing. So it wasn't as much about karma in my thoughts, but it was the last days, the last breaths I take. I want to be surrounded by love and goodness and be ushered into the light in a way that is very graceful transformation. So I did it for those reasons. And I'm thinking, as you say this, that because life is multi-dimensional, so this is going to be a little complicated, but it's thought-provoking. If life is multi-dimensional and what you're saying that what I do, what anybody does, invokes, can invoke good and bad, can influence another life, but what about when life's lives are happening concurrently? So my soul is alive here and on this planet and in this other country and in this alternate Earth and so forth, how does that work karmically? Sounds pretty complicated to me. I have no idea. I have enough trouble just dealing with this little creature here. I have no idea. It would be a good question to ask when we cross over. That's for sure. So what about different interpretations of karma across different cultures or belief systems? Are you aware of those? I think that everyone has to have some rule like the law of change is talking about laws, the law of not the law of change, but this causes and consequences. It's got to be true for everybody. It seems like a universal thing. I don't think it's just like particular to one religion or psychological study or another. It seems like gravity is not specific to anything. It's just gravity. So this is the same thing. But then I would add to that another thing. So the other half of the conversation, karma is how to create good karma. So in order to do that and to try to create good karma or actions that would result in positive effects, whether in the immediate future, in the few years future or another lifetime future, whatever it might be, then we understand what we taught and what we learned is that we have to increase our capacity to love and to forgive. A lot of it is forgiveness. And once we are able to forgive and allow ourselves to love, I think that's the actions that we have to take to begin to create good karma. Not doing bad karma. Not doing stupid things. And the other one is being proactive doing positive things. Like say someone hurt your feelings. And we all get our feelings hurt. It's easy to do. But we don't want to react to that. So we don't want to take it negative. But then we also want to forgive the person who did that to us. Maybe they had a bad day. Who knows, whatever it is. Then I really tried to hurt me. Why would I want to do that? Even if they are too bad. I still can send them forgiveness and hard energy. So that's hard to do when we think we will look at the world and all the idiots running the world. How do we send love to some of these idiots running the world? And it's a challenge. It's not so easy. But I think that's the way forward. Not manifesting negative energy and manifesting positive energy. I was answering the question on karma. And past lifetimes and stuff. So I think that's what it is. So here's something I do. And then let me know if you have a personal story or experience you can share. So for instance, we both live in Los Angeles. And everybody knows it comes with traffic, sometimes crazy drivers. So if for instance, I am driving behind somebody who's driving in a way that maybe it impacts me, right? I'll just say that maybe it impacts me. It could be erratic driving. It could be slow driving. It could be like changing lanes a little crazy. I, years ago, made a decision instead of reacting to the fact that I pretended the person behind the wheel was pregnant and had to get to the hospital right away. Or it was the beloved of that pregnant person driving like crazy to get there. And so I just back off and get out of the way and I bless them, you know, get where you're going safely. And so I think that's kind of a good thing I do. That I don't incur negative karma. That's exactly the example of it, you know? That person's circumstance and maybe they're, maybe they're, you know, who knows, you know? And like, but not to interact with it, but to send them good energy like that. I had a teacher one time who, every time she heard like a fire engine, she stopped and, you know, and you have fire engines all the time in the city, you know? So she would, you know, something that she just picked up on and she would stop and just send energy to wherever she was sending it to, you know? And I think, you know, I mean, you have to be pretty sensitive and in the moment to do that. So a lot of it is really, I think part of the practice of sending positive energy, creating is being able to be present in the moment to our thoughts because the thoughts, you know, come in, you know, they just kind of take us and run, run, run our lives. But we have to learn how to be present and to not so much choose the thoughts. I mean, thoughts are coming at, you know, at a million miles an hour but we get to kind of discriminate in some way and choose some part of that that so we don't have to therefore be subject. If we have a negative thought, we don't have to therefore take action on it. We could let, okay, watch it, move on. And then, you know, and then try to have positive thoughts and reinforce those. So in a meditation we find an object and say someone we don't like purposely send love to them as an example of trying to to work the balance of the energy. So that's beautiful. These are great examples. I'm going to absolutely incorporate this one with the fire siren. I, years, decades ago, when I first was reading all sorts of books, you know, I've been into metaphysics since I was born, really. I bet. You know, in my family, books were the gift growing up and I remember being this toddler where my mom would say, come on, it's Valentine's Day, you know, you and your brother are going to get a book and I'd be like, tarot, astrology. And that's the stuff I was into. And so I remember reading books about NDE's near-death experiences and always, if it involved, let's say, a car accident. And that person had risen above their body ostensibly, were on their way to death until before they completely went into the light, they were offered another choice. But they were aware, visually, of what was going on down below in the car crash, the other people involved, anyone who showed up to help them. And somehow that put something in my mind. You know, that's a really scary situation to be in a car accident. And so I know, again, in LA, you know, there's a lot of looky-loos. If there is somebody, something happening off the side of a freeway and everybody's looking at the car crash or an accident. And that is the moment I immediately send love and angels and safety and may everybody be well. I know that's what I would want. And so I really also like these examples you gave Robert about, the fire siren and sending love and safety. And being siren, anything like that. Yeah. And also the meditation, you know, and that's probably the more difficult one if somebody you feel has really betrayed you or taken something or stolen or hurt or is trying to run for president again. You know, it can really trigger people. So forgiveness is like a big deal. And, you know, you have to really work at it. You have to work at forgiveness. And it doesn't come, oh, I forgive you. But there's layers of it. And there's deep, deep, you know, it goes deeper. And, you know, some of the stuff, people we have to forgive, we've had lifetimes of experience. So it's not like we could resolve it so quickly. It's just an ongoing, we just have to maintain our presence in the love energy. Because we don't know all the people we're meeting and situations are arising. So we don't really know. And so I think, I think finally just it comes down to just not even thinking about all the different things, but just manifesting through your heart as much as possible in interacting with people. And, you know, and, you know, and not, yeah, and forgiving people all the stuff that we do to each other. And I think that's a lot of personal stuff. That's what I've come to. Yeah, because also sometimes really crappy things that happen to us point us in a different direction or force us to go into a very deep healing experience. And when we come out on the other side, you've often heard people say, I never thought I'd say this, but I'm really grateful that happened. I'd never be who I am today. I'd never be where I am today if I didn't go through that. So that just proves that the surrendering to like the entity like our guides, you know, that are just kind of helping inform our consciousness about things and, you know, to, okay, I'm going to take this and turn the corner here today. Instead of going to the next block to turn the corner and then it turns out you turn the corner that day and you meet someone, some situation you meet someone. So we don't really know a lot of this is not that it's programmed, but like, but we have like, I think we have like a higher mind that is more aware of the interconnectedness of situations and people. And we just have to, you know, be quiet enough in our thoughts or just not be obsessed with them so much and just not even listen for it. It just allow it to influence us. And so that's what the expo is like it's, you know, it's like more than I could do as like a person. And it really is. And like even the whole team of people, but it just something, some, some higher force. I believe it's really some comes into the whole energy field. And not that it does anything specific. It just allows a more comprehensive understanding or connections between people or something. It doesn't do anything. It doesn't do anything. It just allows certain things to manifest inside it's higher level of consciousness. I love that makes sense. Something like that. Yeah, I really, I really love that. It's like, you know, you set up the matrix and it operates. It's such a high level and vibration. I mean, the intention is absolutely beautiful and who it attracts is absolutely beautiful. And then the right people. I mean, you mentioned your team before. I was even going to ask, but you got there first. I don't even understand how you have some of those people, you know, Christine alone, like to me, she's a goddess to be as calm as always on top of everything. She treats everybody with kindness and, you know, deep connection. I think the world of her. And so I know also Serena and Seema and your son Michael was brilliant. Like it's true. The fact that these people fully come on board. So that's really good karma. Right? Really good karma. Yeah. Yeah. So it's really good karma. So, and so, so I have to assume therefore that all these individuals with each other have had previous lifetimes of experience. Interesting. Yeah. They're doing good work and interacting with each other in different ways, different relationships, you know, all the ways that we can be born in the same lifetime. You know, it's not always the same archetype of persons. Always we do all of. And so I think that. So, yeah. So I believe that all these people are kind of on the same tribe of people that are just been trained to do this work. So this concept of reincarnation rebirth, right? Is tied to the idea of karma. And how do those two concepts interact? What role does karma play in determining the circumstances of one's rebirth? Fair enough. First of mine is answered this way. When we die. We have any desire left in our mind, in our mind, in our consciousness. If we have a desire, if we want to like, if we, you know, want to go, whatever it is, all the millions, zillion kinds of desires that humans have. If we still want to like have life, we find another body. The soul finds another body. I believe that. I believe that. I believe that. And then through that experience, through the, I don't know if this is answering your question, but it comes to mind. So through the, all the body one lifetime after another, boom, boom, boom, boom in the East, they think of thousands and thousands of lifetimes, you know, and here in the West, you know, we think maybe a few, you know, since the 16th century or something, whatever. But so over the, over the thousands of lifetimes, we, we, we, we grow, hopefully we grow. We, we learn from our experiences. And this is what the book 10,000 years is about, the one I mentioned. It's about, so that's the story of us three souls that get born into the same over 10,000 years, starting from like 10,000 BC to the present or something like that, more or less. And where they get born in the same lifetime in different relationships. And there's this, you know, their family and then their business people and then their, their enemies and their lovers and their, you know, their, and their mothers and fathers and all the million types of ways that we relate to each other. So these three characters get born over the 10,000 years and all the multiplicity of, of relationship with people. And they, and then they start off very crude in the 10,000 BC. They're just, you know, we're just hunters and gatherers and just trying to kind of, you know, protect our territory, you know, and then, and then the characters go through lifetimes of like doing bad things, hurting each other and, you know, and doing all sorts of things. And then they learn from their experiences. So towards the end of the book, they grow up a little bit, you know, get, you get more like spiritually mature over having had all the crappy experiences. And then in between the chapters, after they die in that particular chapter, they kind of go back into the other world, you know, kind of re-examine all the stuff and then figure out what kinds of bodies they're going to have and what kinds of lessons and, and then they, anyway, they go through and then they come out and they come out the other side after the end of the book. They're kind of more easily forgiving each other for stuff, you know, and then whatever betrayals that they have committed to each other, all resolve that out or forgiving each other for it. And, and, and so that's what, so that's a story, a story of evolution of these three characters in, in, in, in each chapter is in different locations. It starts off in the caves and then it goes to China and then the Middle East somewhere and then Europe and then it comes across into America. And I think the, so it's a kind of a movement of energy across around the globe as the evolution of the planet has taken place. And here now, if the next to the last chapter is America, I remember, and then the last chapter is Pacific. So there's, you know, still moving towards a future destiny, you know, it's not, you know, we're just kind of in the middle of it. It's not over yet, of course. And anyway, so, and, and yeah, so then there's all the different angels that help them get through stuff. And it's part of God's master plan that humans come into this Earth plane of existence, three-dimensional plane. We go through all our shit, hopefully come out the other side more loving, more direct to do the work. And, and that's, and that's what that's what I think it's about. Okay. No issue. Now is 10,000 years. Is that available on Amazon? Yes. And Amazon. Yeah. I think it's available. Yeah, it's available. I don't promote it or anything. I was satisfied. You know, I had to write it. It took like a long time to write, but I had to write it and I had to write it and I kind of, you know, I just published it. So, and I feel like I wrote the book because it's on Amazon in a book form. And it's an actual book with a cover. And, you know, this and that. And, and it has been number. ISBN number. Got to have one of those. So important. So anyway, so, but, but I haven't really tried to sell it. I haven't really tried to, it hasn't come up into my world to try to sell it on marketing. You know, I was like, so what do you do every day, Robert, what do you do every day that is a practice or a ritual that keeps you feeling grounded or centered in order to do all of what you do? I, I don't know. I, I, you know, I, I, I, I, I don't really have like a formal practice to sit in one place for an hour or two hours, you know, been there and done that, but, but it's not really my thing when, when I, when I, um, I, I, um, remember what I mentioned, I met, went to the Institute. So I met up some people there who were boot, booties community. And I became involved with that community. I actually became a Buddhist monk, a monk, you know, a monk in brown robes over, you think of the Asian Buddhists who are all wearing their, you know, robes and stuff. I didn't everything. The whole thing, yeah. So anyway, but I was a very bad monk. I was a very bad monk. I loved all these people, you know, I fed them and I contributed to the monastery and everything like that, but I didn't want to be a monk. I wanted to be in the kitchen with the girls. They said, I'm kind of, it's a true story. They were all cooking for the monks. That's in that society, the monks are, you know, and they don't do anything. They don't really do any work. They, you know, they pray and meditate. And that's powerful. I don't mean to make it any less than that, but the women do all the work. And so they feed the monks. So we had, when I was there at that time, there was, I don't know, say 10 monks at the monastery. And I didn't really want to be a monk and I just wanted to be in the kitchen, helping the girls who were my friends, the nuns who were they? They were nuns. They weren't like girls. They were, they're nuns. But these were my friends at that, these were my friends. And I just wanted to be there helping cook. That's what, and I don't know. I look back on that. So I think myself, I was a very bad monk. I was supposed to be asked for like a week and after two or three days in the forest alone, I just couldn't handle. I just wanted to go to the kitchen. I wanted to eat. I just wanted to be with my friends and the nuns and help make the food for the monks. What did they want you to do in the forest? I just sit in, sit in your contemplate. Yeah. Meditate. Yeah. Meditate basically. Hard for me. Yeah. And you know, I, you know, a little bit was good, but like a week was like, you know, but the third day I was like out of my mind. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. And you know, I see that it's not my thing. I'm like in a world of action. There are people who are born their astrology or their karma, whatever. And they have a meditative soul or personality that's easy for them to go and do that. You know, for me, I am an action and, you know, I'm creating things and so that's, you know, I want to feed people that's what I want to do. I don't want someone to feed me. I want to feed other people. That is so hilarious. Bad monk. You know, I just came back three weeks in Italy and one of the things I did while I was there is I went to a very sacred site which is the burial for Padre Pio. Padre Pio was a monk and he did many beautiful things. In fact, he was a monk. People used to laugh at him because he used to say, I'm the reincarnation, the rebirth of the donkey of Jesus. But really, he had these deep connections to that and he would talk about other planets. He would speak galactically at a time when nobody did. But his new miracle, the miracle that goes on is the fact that he died as of right now with you and me 56 years ago and they put him in this glass encasement and he lays there today in his monk robe and his face is perfect. It's impossible. No embalming, nothing. Not a crease, not a wrinkle, not a decay, he's perfect. And I was at an ashram while I was there for two weeks with a swami which was a new and very wonderful experience for me. And I asked the swami because he actually he had had some miraculous interactions with this Padre Pio and I asked him but why? Why? I understand that it's amazing to look at him and he's unchanged. But truly why? What is the purpose? And he said Padre Pio chose that he would remain here, that his soul would remain here so that when we visit he will do miracles for us. So this is what an amazing opportunity. There was a practice of walking all around. It's gated but you can see very well all angles of him in this encasement. And I took this as an opportunity to pray and ask for things and after I was done I thought I had this really cosmic experience because I thought oh you know what? I'm going to pray for the happiness of everybody who's in this room right now coming to visit him that they have magic and miracles beyond their wildest dreams. And then I thought oh I want to pray for I haven't shared this with anyone. I'm going to pray for everybody because the building is huge. It's got a museum and amazing church and I said I'm going to pray for everybody here and then I thought oh I'm going to pray for everyone in Italy to have magic and miracles. Okay everyone on the earth it just kept extending and I thought this feels so good right now. To wish this for people. Yeah it was a really pleasant experience and I don't know if that was induced by the fact that he was there and his magic was there but whatever it was it was a really lovely to want that for everybody because exponentially I started realizing do you know and it really harkens back to the conversation we're having if everybody had this if I could wish happiness and health magic and miracles for individuals I will never meet they might be happy there might not be war there might be people who stop and do things for one another and create beautiful karma and have a different life and create different lives for other people and it just was like oh this is so right this is so good. Yeah I think that's really a really big difference between the eastern religion and the western religion I think like for example what you said where I think in the east you kind of do things like you share the merits is an example where so you go through your day or we go through our days and we accumulate good energy so sharing the merits is where you take that and you say just kind of what you said whatever and I think the actual words could be something like whatever merits we might gain today be shared with all of the beings around us with all the sentient beings or whatever beings you want and it's really just taking the energy, the good energy and throwing it out into the universe so it's not just keeping that I'm feeling good but taking my good energy and projecting it on to people and people we like and people we don't like in an undiscriminating way. There was a teacher that came out of Tibet named Kalu Rinpoche he used this from the 80s, a long time ago now and he said something that's really kind of made a difference in my it was the 70s he said that the fastest way to enlightenment this was a guy who was a senior Tibetan monk and enlightened with something that he knew about I mean that's what the world that they think about is what is that, Nirvana he said the fastest way to do that is to say to have a prayer where you basically just take your good energy and you bless all the people in the universe so you just it's the same thing I share in the merits that are proactive it's like not sharing your good results but actually actively sending good energy loving kind loving energy and then to all the different beings in the universe and you can parse it pretty finely to all the beings I like to all the beings I don't like to all the beings who have green hair to all the beings who are tiny to all the beings who are hurt and you can really begin to define areas of life where you are taking your energy and you're expressing kind and loving energy towards that specific area of life like your family so you think of like your siblings and you just get them and you just send them you know you just in your mind you bring them into your mind and you send love to them so this is like he thought that was the fastest way to to enlightenment this color and crochet that by first extending your good energy to other people and then sharing the merits of all of that with all the other people and it was I believe him he knew I believed him I did I believed him and so I would say if you wanted to that's I think the singular thing that I do that's consistent is like is I have that thought and that mental process in my mind pretty much all the time about extending love towards other people you know people on the street you meet good people bad people whatever it might be or people I work with or you know people I like people I don't like you know all the million kinds of things and then and then sharing the merit with yeah with with those people there was another great teacher she's still alive I can't think of the name anyway who's a Buddhist teacher who says the same thing she lives up in is it Pema Pema children? if you listen to Pema listen to her see these unbelievable unbelievable so whatever whatever she says seems right seems right to me I think that's the way well sorry to the monks they didn't get you after all but I think we're so lucky to have you what are you looking forward to with Conscious Life Expo this year oh my god this year well it's a miracle you know it's a miracle and so I'm just like I'm like lucky happy to be like part of a miracle so what am I looking forward to you know I'm already thinking about the Expo after this one so I'm not really thinking about 2025 so what do I want from this one I want everyone to have a good time and you know I want all the things to work and know kind of weird things and you know and like everyone to like have have a good time with it and you know where they and a lot of people come and they meet their new partners because the whole community is all kind of like minded a little bit and so you could you know it's like you meet people and you already have things to talk about you already have a common on so I hear stories all the time where people met their partners at the Expo and 10 years later they've been married for a few years kind of thing you know I love those stories I know a woman who wants to volunteer for the Conscious Life Expo and I also know she was going through a breakup and I got this download when she said that like oh my god you're going to meet someone there and then she said it out loud she said I have this feeling of a man there and I thought that is that's two of us that feels really good so I want to give people an overview quickly and by the way again the link is going to be in the show notes ConsciousLifeExpo.com here's some of who is speaking Darrell Anka who channels Bashar Elizabeth April Linda Moulton Howe Deborah King Nick Pope Andrew Collins Matthew James Bailey Twin Ray Althea Lucrezia Shaman Durek Carolyn Corey Adam Apollo William Henry Daniel Sheehan most of these people have been on the show over the years and they're phenomenal Sarah Breskman Cosme Vivian Chavez Del Big Tree Whitley Strieber Matthew LaCroix Rick Levine I could go on Brad Olson Danian Brinkley Jason Scherka Oh my God the list is amazing Maureen St. Germain J.J. and doctors J.J. and Desiree Hirtak I was in Mexico City speaking with them and also went to the pyramids with them of course the amazing Alan Steinfeld will be there George Norrie will be there Jimmy Church will be there Sarah Adams will be there I mean go on the site really it's too extensive to read all of these names to you this star transformation list Maria Martinez, Amy Robison Jerry Sargent it goes on and on and on in most beautiful pictures Steven Bassett etc. our clients Arcturus Raw etc. and I am moderating the ET Origins panel on Saturday at 2.30 please come and join us please come and say hi last year people came up and said I'm here because of you and the show and I heard about this event please come up and say hi to me I want to meet you and my dear Robert Crick Silver this is Dare to Dream what are your future dreams and goals my future dreams and goals okay that's fair I want to after the expo because all I do now is just working on expo full time right now obviously but after the expo I have a few months I think I'm going to try to clean up the books I'm writing I've written like six books including the one I mentioned I have another one writing so I think I'm going to write I don't really like to go anywhere I could have gone anywhere in the world Egypt when I was working with the monks I could have gone to Asia anytime I don't know I feel like I've been there done that so I like to stay home and I don't really go anywhere it's a little pathetic I wish I was more ambitious but I don't know all my friends are taking trips to Egypt and both cruises and you know I'd be happy if I went on I'd never do anything I don't know I just kind of I like to just be quiet a lot and read and write but now I actually I started working out at the gym a little bit thinking that's a good idea so I do like three minutes every other day three minutes here three that's the least amount I could do so that's fine anyway the day goes by you know I know I started before this last expo I started taking ceramics classes so I think coming up now I go back and I got a whole ceramic setup with clay and the whole thing so I'm gonna start maybe I'll stop making some of the sculptures I've been wanting too many I like to build things so I think that's what I'll do pretty much I'm like a retired person you didn't ask me how old I was you asked me how old I am okay I never do but how old are you 75 you're my inspiration really you are I'm like retired so I don't really have to do anything but you're like retired not retired but you're retired doing what you love and you're retired and contributing to society and to the world at large so I'm grateful and I'm grateful to know you and thank you so much Robert for coming on the show thank you for sharing all of that with us today I hope that worked out for your show okay so we should have a call and go over your expo type stuff I need your rooms and the different things so we will and maybe we'll look at my hands too alright well folks thanks for joining us today on Dare to Dream I hope you love the show as much as I did amazing human being doing amazing things please join us at LA Conscious Life Expo you'll be so happy you did I end the show today with this quote from Les Brown in every day there are 1,440 minutes that means we have 1,440 daily opportunities to make a positive impact subscribe to the show number one transformation conversation called Dare to Dream with Debbie Daschinger if you're listening on a podcast go to youtube.com slash Debbie Daschinger or Spotify where you can see us on video coming up in the next two weeks will be Shaman Durek love this man 6th generation Shaman and author of the best selling spirit hacking also Neil Donald Walsh will be here with his new book thank you so much for joining us today and remember everything that Robert said is important to consider what's right in the world creating good karma but mostly coming from a place of merits how can we give and give because truly we do receive when we do this thanks for joining us today well thank you sweetie that was wonderful it was really great conversation I enjoyed that so much it was quite a really yeah I didn't get too distracted and weird too weird with my little world that I live in huh see I knew you would be amazing I'm so glad you came on I really am so glad you came on thank you this is going out this one out live when we're done I go back I save it it's going to be all told in about 50 places and it gets a couple of waves if you will of going out and being syndicated and then of course forevermore amen so it'll be there as though evergreen and we'll have the links what's your address I didn't send you a program guide right okay what's your address yeah it is 817 north valley street Burbank 91505 okay and maybe I'll send you one of the books I I'll put in the envelope one of the books you probably don't have time to read so you don't have to do that okay maybe I'll which one did I the other book I wrote a book on I'll send this one to you if I have a copy of a course heroes and it's a little biography of all the 50 or 60 you mentioned this once when we were having lunch yeah that sounds amazing I'll send you here you'd like that one yeah it's all the people that we know and that we a lot of them are dead now but obviously