 So all the people that are outside, if you can very quickly come inside, that would be fantastic. That would be absolutely fantastic. And now everyone that's inside, just take a moment to breathe and to acknowledge the fact that we are here. We're actually here. And I want to thank the council very much because this is the first time that they are doing a meeting. And it's a little scary for them because many of them have never been up on this sort of stage or podium. So let's show them a little bit of love, a little bit of kindness. That will go two ways. The other thing that we want to do is remember, everything we do is an experiment. And we learn. We learn from that experiment. So as we're here together to harmonize, to humanize, and to be with each other, heart-feltness with each other, let's remember that. So just let's take a moment of silence. Do I have my little bell? Where's our bell? Do you want to ring it? Thanks to Svaram that has this and thanks to all of us. We'll just take a moment. Do you want to just ring it, Shavaya? Oh, sorry, for those of you who don't know, my name is Fifth. I am an Orvillean. And let's take a moment of silence. And obviously, take a moment to go deep inside. What is your personal aspiration and what is your aspiration for the community? One of our aspirations, I say R because right now, as a facilitator, I'm not part of the council. I'm not part of RIS. I am independent and I'm with the facilitator's group. And so we're here to facilitate. We're here to listen deeply to what everyone has to say. And at the end, we will harvest and we will see what the next steps are. The council will take us forward in terms of what we're doing. They have a presentation and we will actually start in a few moments by them introducing themselves. So we've come here together to aspire. And what is it that we're doing well? What is it that we need a little bit of work on? How do we come together? And I mentioned at the beginning to harmonize. So on that note, there's a few guidelines that we have that I know that you will honor. And one is, as I've said before, is to listen deeply. And if we have a disagreement, that's okay. It's okay to disagree. But it's not okay to do some of the other stuff like, you know, scream at Surin. Should I scream at you? No. Okay, I won't scream at you. Will I get cranky and stamp my feet? No, right? So we hold that. And if we need to say something, we will. And there will be a space where you can vocalize that. There's many things happening in our community, but let's come together. So I want to thank the RAS who are here. Do you want to just stand up for a moment? Whoever's here, RAS? Yeah, thank you. We've got people that have put together the presentation. We have Taranti in the back who's dealing with childcare. We've had people that are huggers. We have silent present keepers. We have an entire community behind the scenes coming together for all of us. We have those that are online in different parts of Oroville, India, and the world coming together to support all of us. So thank you, everyone, for coming together for this. And I think on that note, shall we introduce? So what we'll do is we're first going to introduce the council followed by the mandate. What is their mandate? And then we'll break out into a Q&A. And we'll guide you through that Q&A at that point. So right now, may I hand it over? Who would like to speak first? After the introduction of each member and the mandate, we are going to give you a short breakdown of our work of what we have been facing these last 14 months, but also how we are doing in a way, our aspirations. Who would like to start to introduce yourself? Hi. So this is our first meeting. Nice that we finally made it. We wanted to do meetings earlier, but this year has been one big cloud of chaos. What happened? The experiment is I forgot. I forgot that what we're doing is we're saying this in the four different languages. May I have someone in English read this? Did I see you put your hand up? Come. Yes, and when you speak, you have to stand up. But in the meantime, can someone read this in English? And I'm just looking right at Daniel. And following English, we will have someone reading it in French, which is mother's language, then Tamil, and come. The city the earth needs. The purpose of Oroville is to realize human unity. Oroville in Nocum, Manidahotrumai Unarthuvadai Aagum. Eric from Baraka. It's read together, beautiful. Read together. Oroville, the city the earth needs. The goal. The goal of Oroville is to realize human unity. Yes. Thank you. And Akintha... Vahashahar, whose earth is needed, and the purpose of the Orville is to experience the unity of the human being. Beautiful. Thank you very much. Sorry about that, Surya. Now over to you. Okay, thank you everyone. I thought there'd be less people actually. So there's a lot of you. But that's okay. So yeah, as I was saying, just great to be here finally and to say hello, you know, to the community, because in our little bubble shell cave of a council room, yeah, I guess we don't always connect to the community as well as we should. So that's very much the intention of this meeting. I think in our slide you'll see that we kind of tried to explain some of the reasons for the delay and some of our difficulties over the past year. So maybe I won't speak too much, but I'll just say my name is Suryan. And I've had a great year of learning and a lot of work. And yeah, happy to be here. For people who don't know you, can you just give one or two sentences about who you are, where you were born? Okay, so a lot of old-timers think I'm born in Orville, but actually my mother flew to England from here about two months before I was born. And then I came when I was six weeks old. So yeah, so then I was here for the first three years and then back and forth. And yeah, so then I came back when I was 10 years old and went to transition school, went to last school, and went to Kodak Nal. And I've been here, you know, on and off my whole life. And I didn't expect to speak about this. I should have prepared something. Other than that, yeah, I mean, I run ECE Amlam Guest House. I've been doing that for the past 15 years. And I'm an avid musician, singer, songwriter, although I haven't been doing much recently. But I hope maybe in the next council meeting I can jam it up for you all. Yeah, so let's see. Okay, thank you. Hi everyone, my name is Ganesh. I'm born and brought up in Orville. I'm born and brought up in Orville. I'm born and brought up in Orville. I'm born and brought up in Orville. I'm born and brought up in Orville. I'm born and brought up in Orville. Hi everyone. Hey everyone. I'm Ganesh. I'm F.A. and the Jov少 26 in CBC and CBC. I'm born and brought up in GBC and CBC. Now I'm born and brought up in V.C. I'm born and brought up in V6 Agra. I'm born and brought up in V6 Agra. I'm born and brought up in V6 Agra. Wum! I'm born and brought up in SPZ Stay, women, women support lots of W.LC, women support lots of WTV, and women contribute who they need, Nice to see you all. My name is Shiva. Yeah, and I am the longest in the council. This is my fourth year is sort of the second term I got reelected But let's me say I also knew that how important is in a group that somebody knows knows history and I think that's what I'm bringing to this Particular council that I've been here in Auroville for long that I have now an Experience experience of being in the council. What doesn't mean much because it changes constantly But nevertheless so and I'm a dedicated worker. I can say so much So for the rest, I think we have just been I've been grappling with this year. This has been extreme and The work also, but I think it's it has been beautiful to work with them So I really want to say it's such a big difference when the team is kind and loving to each other It helps to hold difficult moments and carry through Thank you Wanda Ranevarukum, Malai Vanakangal very good. Good evening to all of those who have come to the meeting My name is Balaji. I'm born and brought up in Auroville I live in Kottakarai farm farming is another service which I'm doing to the community I'm being chosen by the community to serve the Auroville council. So I'm doing the service Thank you. They have actually some missing members. You see Shiva could not come today. That was very unforeseen so being him and Suresh and Meenal have been absent for a while now. So that's why we are only the people you see now But nevertheless, we are happy to see you and then continue. Oh, sorry Okay, we have our our clothing who has been in the council. She's our sister and we are And then we have on top of this. We have also Satya who has been now I think it's the 11th year the council secretary and she has been Inevaluble this year also with memory, but with her kindness again and with her work dedicated work Even on Sundays. So thank you, Satya Okay, so we're gonna start Actually, it's we're gonna start with a little Presentation we only had a week, you know to work on it. So it's nothing Incredible or special but we just felt we wanted to simply update you all with a bit of what's been going on the last year So as you see we started with this slide and I think actually is it going to be you Ganesh Who's gonna read the first one? Was it not working? Yeah No, it's not actually sure Yeah, I was I was pointing it there. It's not working. I was pointing it here before it was working Watch me point Okay, so Unity and diversity We want to express that the last year we've had many Varying and sometimes opposing points of view held by our team members But through these differences, we have managed to remain largely respectful with each other Which has allowed us to continue being functional Most of our members have remained highly committed in difficult circumstances So yeah, so this is obviously a little bit related to what's going on an orbital at the moment We are all for the city The council has kept a firm stance We are here to support the building of the city in a spirit of respect and collaboration Okay now to Shibaya the Auroville Monday 2004 so It is actually needed an update or let's say a review is needed and we have been working on but somehow We never brought it to a finishing So so bear with us the following was approved by the RA meeting of December 2004 the mandate of the Orville Council is to assist the members of the residence assembly in organizing their activities as follows to maintain and harmonize the various mandates of the working groups of Orville and to see that the working groups function According to their mandates To harmonize the interaction amount of working groups and the activities of the residence of Orville number two is Actually that which is no further Which is obsolete and it is a clause on coordinate a short-term plan and budget This is now done by the FMC with PCC So this is actually already since three years no more so but it's still in our mandate and It has to be taken out. We acknowledge that and we are actually wanting to do it, but we haven't found the time to do three Encourage the generation of programs and policies for the really realization of these objectives above know oversee the Reservants of policies and decisions approved by the RA in collaboration with the working committee and address Non-compliance with established Orville policies This is challenging has so far been challenging, but definitely something we need to work on Deal with emerging issues that fall outside the purview of other working groups This is something which has which is often ending up on our table as an emergency and Unfortunately, sometimes takes a lot of energy and time as there are no adequate body to transfer or mitigate it to Establish and oversee review and arbitration bodies when required appeal appeal Process and so on report the regularly to the residence assembly on its activities The report but we are actually also meant to meet much more often with the community which we haven't somehow managed Ensure that the principles of natural justice are observed in Orville such as providing relief from arbitrariness in decision-making Conveen regular meetings general meetings So that's part of the interaction with the RA which we are doing now today for the first time in this 14 months And we hope to be able to follow up on this in Regular intervals that's actually a very a point something we really want to do and So please help us to stay with that and remind us if we don't thank you Next is 14 months of not meeting with the residence assembly We just want okay since the appointment of our group in February March 2021 We have not hosted a GM yet. Although it is stipulated in our mandate to do so regularly However, the council has been sharing our quarterly report and other announcements in a timely manner We want to apologize for this but also explain some of the main reasons There were covert restrictions on large gatherings until early 2022 When we began our work the community confronted us with an overwhelming amount of contentious issues and a huge workload It was difficult to find the time and the energy With continued turmoil in the community and a lack of clarity through a continuous arrival of new and urgent topics We always felt behind the current issues GM's on older topics did not seem appropriate anymore So that happened quite a few times. We had about two or three Planned in our mind. There was even one meeting that we had announced but then cancelled But somehow actually that was cancelled for different reasons But yet this year has been so fast that somehow by the time we prepared a meeting. It was already old news So then during the year our members took leave of absence some of them extensive extended it's supposed to say Many of our team are new with little experience of public speaking. We lack the inclination and confidence Okay, do you want to do the next one or? Which we do one line each Okay, look, I'm just gonna keep talking and anyway, we're gonna do a question answer. You're gonna Everyone's gonna have a chance to meet to speak Some of the main challenges over the last 14 months To learn and try to understand the many layers of our organization as well as the many opinions and dynamics found in our community For this at times We had to do extensive reading while keeping up to date with the many many current and ongoing issues on our table To understand the systems Orville has in place for conflict resolution and Gaining the experience of how to implement these with confidence while also wanting to improve on them The transition from having the assistance of kudam with conflict resolution towards finding new ways of managing Managing and exploring conflict resolution the Orville counts. Sorry the Orville conflict resolution policy and structure needs further refining The lack of an organized and comprehensive social service sector. So this is actually probably What council spends? I don't know 50 to maybe 70 percent of its time on is actually social service type work which typically in a in a Normally, that's held by professionals whilst we are simply elected members with very few skills when we enter then we learn So this is something that we certainly want to improve on in in in the in the current In the coming time To we'll get to that But the social service sector needs more support in Orville because it jeopardizes the work of the council It jeopardizes the work we can put into mandates into organizing into holding working groups accountable into doing whatever We're supposed to be doing Next with the arrival of the new secretary or the Orville foundation and the Developments within the community the impact of her wish to be involved in internal organization of Orville was felt is felt The increased division in the community and at times also between working group members The events in December at you center and our Kali including the NGT case The lack of willingness from community members and groups to adhere to RA decisions and processes The practical difficulty of implementing certain ratified mandates and policies This is also another thing that's that in my experience has been very difficult is when you look at some of our mandates some of our policies to actually They often have They're often just very difficult to implement practically They have a very sort of high standard and and and high ideas, but to actually implement them And then you have that discrepancy between implementation and what people expect and then things become really love-sided and Then vehement attacks from individuals towards the council and its members and that's also something that's really quite difficult When you when you come into the council and I'm speaking for myself mostly but is you know the stress, you know the the anger, you know The pain that people direct at us, you know So so yeah, so maybe that's also something that you know the community as a whole can think about more Is you know, are we here to kind of beat up our working groups? Or are we there to try to support them to do a better job or should we do that? Okay, and so I think that's me for now should I do want to speak The most relevant achievements over the last year or second let's say what we feel we have definitely been able to to help progress We remained relatively functional despite a lot of upheaval also Nobody's spared today. So we don't need to say that the creation of a CRP three emergency team, I mean CRP stands for conflict resolution policy and we have Worked on a kind of protocol Even before this council together with Vikram and others In the community and now we have formed a team that holds these Emergencies and this is actually what we're talking of. So this is becoming something we can call back on when when some violent action happens or something and we have also a Team that is helping us in general with conflicting Situations, but that's more personal kind. It's not collective issues So that is because kudam steps back. We have to find new ways. So that's what we managed to so far put in place These teams support the council with with tackling conflicts and the challenging cases The emergency team gives us a platform to respond with efficiency when called upon The team has come together several times in the last six months and has proven Invaluable the protocol for this team was finalized early 2021 by resource with the help of resource people with the council together, let's say and is this The move towards reorganizing the council by having two main focus subgroups one for conflict resolution and The other for managing mandates and policies their development and harmonization So these two subgroups are kind of permanent subgroups now and we can really work together on on the respective areas of work We have to do more of this. So we it's not done, you know, we will need also one on Organization will need much more in next year will be a lot of work. So so be prepared. We're gonna call on you As these subgroups are only at their beginning We hope that in the in the near future. They will allow us to be more efficient with focus team time and work areas While being able to involve resource people to help us with the workload With these subgroups in place and the support they provide the council will be far better equipped to follow up on on the participatory working group Document and offer the standard of work that we all would wish for Including improving its ability to be responsive proactive accountable and Organized and to fulfill its own mandate more comprehensively Expansion so what do we need to do for this? Expansion of pool of resource people around 30 new people came already forward Some of whom we are already had some of whom are already helping us Creating of support groups to implement the conflict resolution policy That is the appeal and arbitration coordination group and the facilitate and mediation Coordination group that is mainly done with Members with people who have been working in that field already. We are we are actually not involved in that work directly creation of selection process review task force that is our recent collaborative work with With a task force we we have just been Voting on this on this on the outcome on the new selection process. So tomorrow we'll see whether This has gone through and whether we can implement this now the creation of an interim RAD policy with we come and we've working come in resource people the Interim RAD is now what we are using so that also this has been done this year Selection of new land board members via the land board selection committee and refining the land board selection process Yet to be shared with the community as you know, we have been trying to improve Processes for selection. So the last one of the important processes was Kind of improved on refined on through out the land board selection But then even much in hindsight to see what is better. What could have helped us and so on Then another important work was the matrimandia executive selection process a subgroup comprised of A or a council working committee and FM FAMC Members did that job and they are keeping their involved also now as They're kind of following up on it The review of the appeal process with help of resource people that is working process It's actually almost completed. It's just being shared with the working groups for afterwards come to the community The in that is is very much done together with Niva and with other people who have been Have been working in this field. So we are trying always to work with also with experts, let's say implementation of Oronet guideline on a trial basis and Creation of Oronet moderator support group That's also one feature of our Oronet that we have we are experimenting now Actually, and we will have to look at it all together in the next months and see whether it's successful whether we want to modify it Efforts were made with the FMC and BCC to outline a Suggested process for asking an Aurovillian to leave their word places That's called the dismissal of Aurovillian from workplace place This has been actually in a way, you know We all felt so much the need because from the council we could see as cases came to us and Then when we wanted to present it as a guideline people felt no It shouldn't be too to impose or so so it's really there as a reference if you have something like this It indicates steps to follow then so then then on a workplace you have a Relationship with a worker that you feel no no no we have to see how we continue With an Aurovillian. It's not for all employees. This is truly only for Aurovillians. Thank you, Julian Managing several emergencies and difficult cases. Yes, we have told you that's our daily bread almost we can say Creation of several study groups and subgroups. So a lot is being done. That is not yet really visible. I can say Okay So these are some of the objectives. I'm sure we have more but Really it was a quite a fast presentation that we created So to bring the unit to bring unity to the community how nicely that rhymes It should be easy but Humans that's the problem So Then to work closely with the community and to gain its trust while acknowledging our shortcomings So, yeah, you know when I enter the council, I just feel you know this this this, you know We have such accurate relationships with each other, you know and so Yeah, I mean I didn't think about this much, but it is important, you know to extend trust and To respond, you know and one and and there's a bit of a feedback loop that's created there You know so and that for me is where the magic of consciousness comes in Awareness, you know our future as a human race, you know, so I find that a very important Thing is, you know Extending trust, you know as well as asking asking for it. You know what I mean? Yeah, so I'm just saying trust me and Then I'm gonna like whatever rip you off or something. No, okay Okay to continue our work of collating developing and harmonizing the mandates of working groups To continue supporting the development of a social service sector and conflict resolution that was already mentioned To encourage the push for progress while not losing sight of mother's intentions for horrible To promote the 12 qualities of the mother to translate our aspirations into action and towards realization Personally for me, this is a really important one because I always believe that you know There's this sort of myth in our minds that somehow through more organization and new systems We're going to find the solution towards human unity But in my understanding actually the solution lies in the 12 qualities So each individual You know embodying those qualities more becomes, you know, like I did I did have an analogy It's like a bike, you know if you have a bike and you have no oil in it It's just not gonna work right and the oil is this Right, so it doesn't really matter how good or bad a system you have as long as you have this at least It'll run and then obviously you want a better system Then to support the aria in better organizing itself, and I mean I'm seeing that there's a there's a big push for the or a R.A. to try to organize itself better. We just created the R.A. participation group, but that's not really focusing on organization And I know I know there's a parallel group I think it's called R.A. Dreaming that wants to look into that so we're on and tending on meeting with them and seeing What can be done Yeah, and that's obviously something that lies dear to all of us. I think is how can we better organize the R.A. So that we can build that trust that I was talking about It's etc Okay Yeah, and that's we're nearly at the end. So we're going to organize We're going to receive questions in in in three forms one our questions that we're gonna We're gonna answer now others are questions that we will partially answer But we'll want to share more at a later time either at another meeting or or or in a publication and Questions that we'll have to park In order to answer them at a later time or to refer the question to relevant groups for their responses Okay, thank you. Thank you sir Ian We also have Refreshments so for those of you who we're still going to continue with the meeting But if you need to have a refreshment, please feel free to go out get it Drink it out there and come back in but we will continue and we do have speakers outside We request that you keep your questions comments and suggestions to very short very clipped so that we can Reach out to as many people as possible. We also ask you I mean we can't have a roaming mic, but for those people who are mobile It's better if you come up to the front and ask your question So on that note, are there any questions concerns that you would like to air or suggestions? Yes, why don't you come to the front Sabine? And we will also speak have a speakers list Speaker list. I'm sorry the audio outside does not work because we have a power outage So grab your drink and race back and maybe you'll be able to hear just right outside the door. Thank you first, it's nice to have a General meeting with the council which should be the same for every single working group by the way We really miss that link with the community. I think the community has been kept a I don't know you say that in English infantilize like kept as a child constantly without enough information Without enough exchange So I hope we are going that way better because then we have to vote we all of us are asked to vote on things We don't know about we have not seen we don't understand the consequences So there's a lot of work to be done together I've also noticed that our cancel members and other groups members are not up to date with most Policies or what's happening or structures? So I understand you're learning, but I would hope in the next election process that we have people who Already know enough to be functioning right away because you cannot work wait like an hour a year and a half To have people understanding the very first line of their mandate I have a specific questions on the appeal review process that's happening it is said in the appeal Document itself that all the parties and absolutely every single case will be closely documented and Reviewed including all Parties I want to know how many of these cases happened and how many have been Talked to and included I'm sure was not included Despite having called for an appeal for something as big as the news and note at the time in the city service I'm then I lose my trust I have a question about the missing members of the council Yeah, one at a time, okay So Yeah, so I was actually part of the subgroup that was reviewing the appeal process I went for two meetings after which I simply didn't have the time to go to the meetings anymore And it was held mostly by the Arbitra coordination team Including one other resource person and so they did most of the reviewing of the of the of the appeal process With some of our recommendations because we had worked with the FMC and on a lot of difficulties That's a whole nother story So in terms of your specific question as to who they interviewed which which which appeal is the How many cases you had because this has been delayed for This review process has been delayed for I don't know many years because apparently there was not enough cases to be reviewed So now you have a few more cases, but then you skipped a few so that's so what's your question? Please be clear about how many how many appeals Happened since the document and how many were reviewed, but that was not well, right? So I think if I remember right, it's either 22 or 24 appeals that have happened in the last seven years Yeah, and in terms of who was actually spoken to and I know specifically in your case you had wanted to be Consulted but you weren't And I think that's something that we'll have to park now And we'll have to get back to you and actually ask the people who are doing the review to ask them why they didn't want to And why and how many have been consulted out of the 22 or that? I don't know. I'm sorry, but but we can answer that I mean you were part of that review you were parking I was there for two of the meetings Yeah, who who is in that group? No, we had to ask questions about It's the Arbiter Coordination Team sorry the Arbiter Coordination Team, which is Terra and Neva and the other person was Martin Littlewood Can't wait and then it was Shibaya and myself and I think Balaji But I think Balaji Came to maybe one or two meetings and we also only came to one or two meetings So that these two meetings would be a suggestions in general is to keep informing the community about the subgroups Who they are reviews groups like every monthly meeting So also we know who we're supposed to talk to because believe me. It's a challenge It's never the person you talk to it. So was the others or I wasn't there or it's not me It's a very challenging and it's not following the PWGs Yeah, thanks for that suggestion I think that's very important that there is an opportunity for accountability And that's what you're requesting is that there is a list and there's accountability that comes back Yes, and it's on a regular basis Well, she asked specifically for actually updating the community on a regular basis about the new subgroups that are being formed I think that would be a great practice just to announce them regularly Yeah, okay, then I say question was about the missing members of the council Yeah, I think so Yeah, so ask that question and they maybe have someone else afterwards. Yeah, so about the missing members I think she why I was going to speak to that The question is about the missing members of the council. Where are they? I I don't know They have not been working for a while You see Okay, Shiva this morning Shiva could not come because a relative or a person very close to him died died recently she has a death in the family The other two have not been coming to the council in the last three weeks or so and Yeah, I mean I'll not more and yeah, so they have been Upsent for a while They knew about the meeting and they're not here. We cannot say we have not heard from them why they're not here So we cannot tell you more For now for the time being at this very juncture But maybe you'll hear more soon So this is all being documented. We have the video that's playing We're having a live stream right now Satya is taking notes So I will there be a transcript or there'll be notes, right? There will be a report that's made I just want to ask if there's other questions right now and then we can come back to you Yeah, yeah, are there other questions at this point or Mesa being continue? Come oh You're taking the names great Yes, and then who's after Mita, maybe we'll have a list so we're not waiting in between and is it possible to get some light Thank you. Come beat up You're not oh, I've been told to tell you don't bring the tea inside. Sorry. Yes, sorry You can only water. I don't mind but that's Okay My question is actually I'll keep standing. Oh, okay. I'm Mita. I'm from the language lab and My question is about you know this thing about the mandates and making sure people Follow their mandate the working groups follow their mandate and I feel I feel like we are on fire and then acting like nothing's happening and I heard some news actually two pieces of news I heard today and I want to know if council actually has any idea about that and also if anybody in the room has Idea about that. So the first news I heard Which was extremely shocking to me is that it seems that the secretary has signed already an agreement with the CPWD that is the central Public Works Department, which is the building Agency of the government a 20 crore project to do the Crown Road So this is what I heard this morning from somebody who's quite aware about planning issues Right and I think that is a major issue within the community is the whole functioning of the TDC And we have only two people left there and people are being appointed Without any of us knowing the RA doesn't seem to have any role and the second Information that I got is that in fact there is a whole plan to design the city This is not withstanding everything dreamcatchers was our way to try to bridge this huge difference between us Right. We all said we put behind the dreamcatchers and we try to bridge the difference Right, but now the news I got today is that in fact, they're going to be some 20 people employed in the TDC office who are going to design the city and There's going to be a huge town hall is part of that process and basically the RA has no role So I think that as a community. I'm not only saying for council. I'm saying this is like a huge Burning issue which we as the residents assembly need to Talk about and maybe council is the one that That has to find out but we need to do something We cannot have this situation where a few people now who have basically I think they've lost their mandate in the way things are functioning. So we have The possibility to come together to do something after so much effort from so many people You know, I find it really crazy That we are this thing is just going on and then we're just having a meeting as though They we don't have a fire under our seats We if Orwell is is in fire right now with this division with what is happening It's things are going out of our control. We are nobody the RA is nobody right now in the way this thing is happening So we have to come together as a community and do something about that. So this is what I want to say Thank You Mita. Yes. We absolutely have to come together and we have to be enraged and we have to do something about it But it's not just about talk It's actually about putting that into action and white me while we might smile and everything we have to be enraged Whatever that is But we also have to have something where the council we come back to council to say What is your role with the mandate after everything that you are hearing to report back? Yeah actually, this is a new to us what Mita was saying and if specifically and we will go back and if that is the firing thing every day we are getting firing news to council so we we can go back and Come back to you and also one more thing about this TDC selection it is going to happen soon because we have already the selection process team has Put forward and it will be known tomorrow. No tomorrow. We'll know the result for the selection process So other than that Yeah, maybe Suryan can add up I mean, there's a few things to be said. I I definitely feel you Mita and Things are alarming. I mean, I think what we can all agree that in the last year a lot of crazy things have happened lot of bizarre things have happened and in relation to the ATDC we've been We haven't really had any contact with them We've been writing mails, but receiving very sparse replies very late late replies And we know that the memberships have sort of been changing And they're not updating the community all of which we've tried to kind of catch up to and we have You know, I think in the last two or three months given two announcements to the community regarding their membership and I Think it's you see one important thing is that the council we want to remain as sort of neutral and sort of, you know catering to the entire tire tire community At the same time, we know that there is a That an RAD has been proposed to look at the office order of the of the ATDC And that is actually in line after this. There's two current RADs that are running One is for the selection process Which should be I think the deadline is today and the other is for the no confidence in the working committee So that's ongoing And the next RAD that is planned is Is regarding the ATDC so and I think that With We know that I think the ATDC problem started many years ago the little that I know You know starting partly with the restructuring of ATDC that that was not implemented And then you know, we had the standing order that was issued I don't know who actually issues it specifically, but that that was not kind of matching with With with with the restructuring of the ATDC And that was when I first when we came to the council a year ago. That was the big topic. What's going on here? We have a standing order, which is which is who actually issues the standing order I guess it's the foundation office, right? I think it comes directly from the GB, right? It was the governing board. Yeah, of course So then the governing board issued something that wasn't entirely aligned with what the residence assembly had Had put on the table and so that was the the the hot topic and it was felt that these two documents had to be harmonized And then also what comes into play is who does actually the ATDC answer to Do they answer to the RA or do they answer to the governing board? So there's you know a degree of ambiguity there that needs to be clarified in time But the residence assembly is you know in at least two different documents Mandated to select the ATDC right, so Let's not forget that so Yeah, so in terms of the present ATDC, it seems like it's you know, there there needs to be a new selection There's only I think one or not even one Member now in the ATDC who's selected by the RA when actually as per the standing order, they're supposed to be 15 Sorry 13 from the RA 13 members selected. So let's see how things develop in the next RAD in relation to ATDC I mean this topic has been on the table for a while and we've been trying to kind of navigate it as best as possible Yeah Yeah, come me tell you want the mic. Oh Yeah, go ahead. I Just wanted to add that, you know before To do meaningful something whatever I think we need to really have good information You know this meeting is not to know to go on something which we have heard So if you have information if you know then it's good to prepare it and call for a meeting with But with all the relevant information and then to see what we meaningfully can do Because certain things there is just nothing we can do. I mean to me But before we start anything we need to have full information with with details So say yeah, although there's a list of people it makes a lot of sense to me If somebody has something that they want to discuss and get off their chest that we may as well You know finish that discussion and then move on to the next person. That's what I think Okay, so just following up on that. I think it's Like we're saying it's not acceptable that we can have we continue if you said that they're supposed to be 15 people chosen by the community And it's not so I think this thing. I understand what you're saying Shiva We we need I don't know if anybody else in this room has actually news about there's something that I heard and I think it's serious because it's somebody related to planning who actually told me this So this is something serious happening and we don't know we don't know what's happening in you know in name of Oroville And I feel that that makes it an emergency situation It's really crazy. We can't just carry on like can't and and you know and and I Think we're in an emergency situation if this is happening right now We have to do something as a community That's all I'm saying and it's a first, you know here. We have a big meeting on Wednesday There'll be another meeting, but we can't just carry on with topics as though nothing is happening That's all I'm saying, you know and I understand that meetings are called for a reason. We need the info So I would request Counsel can then find out if that info is true You see and we have our next meeting on Wednesday Then if it's true, we have to decide some whatever is the topic of the meeting on Wednesday We'll all be here, but then we have to do something then if you're not ready to do it now We need to do something we need to do it together because this is really crazy. What's happening? I'm so sorry is really crazy Yeah, so the The first thing I'll say is Yeah, and maybe we'll have to you know share more later But is that first of all we've tried as we said to communicate to the ATDC But we haven't gotten any responses recently and you know Barring storming up there and forcing them to sit in a meeting the thing is for us I guess the situation at ATC has been so confusing and strange That we didn't really know what to do. Who do we approach? Where do we go? I mean usually write an email and you get a response Okay, nothing, you know so but But Mita saying something needs to happen Well that RAD that was planned is on the table right to select new ATDC members and once there are ATDC members selected by the Community then those people would be responsible to you know get the information that that you're speaking of I'm not sure. I mean I guess maybe you're asking counsel to go speak to the secretary to find out if this is true No, it's not actually as far as I understand. I mean so far typically Typically as I understood is that the working committee is actually the liaison Yeah, and that actually counsel is not really in in in direct touch with the secretary. There's actually Yeah, just a little bit Okay, so we'll have sorrow respond Why don't you come and respond sorrow and then we'll park it okay because we do want to move on Yeah, but it isn't an important topic. So it should be discussed. No, we don't have any information On this particular project of the 20 crore, etc. I wrote also yesterday night in one mailing correspondence. We don't have as Working committee many I mean maybe some individual but as working committee. We don't have information What is true is there is the tendency is to assign work to the central public work department This is shown also in them Presentation of TDC which has been Which is published also on the internet So the tendency to give work for the implementation of the Project which are made with the government grant may happen There is discussion is consideration that the central public work department may is a good to this work that is That is in the public domain you go on our net TDC presentation will find their own information Whether there is a contract a budget of 20 crore are located for this and that that is information We don't have maybe through maybe it's not but that is an information We do that what they can only say that there is a strong tendency in this direction and this Publish and then next few days there will be They may not published by the governing board at the last governing board Maybe there are some more information in this in this direction as you working committee We have not met the secretary But the last two weeks we met during the governing board, but she was in Chennai, so we met online of course will be less called Relevant information as usual, but at the moment I'm not in a position to Confirm or say that is true or not Thank You sorrow my understanding from Shavaya as well is that they also will look at getting more information and see How they can report something on? Wednesday, is that my understanding? Yeah, Claudine We have to know what is our situation as a resident assembly We know or we don't know what some working group are doing or what they are not doing We if it is if we feel that we are an Emergency situation as a resident assembly we have to act we have to meet and we have to decide what we can do independently of what are doing the working groups Satish, do you have a come Elisa and then Eric come Eric So yes, I'm Elisa and I wanted to thank you actually for the presentation I really I was touched by the authenticity and yeah Trying to give a fair picture of your challenges and achievements. So thank you and thank you for your work and While hearing me time feeling also resonance with that that there is a fire bigger than Then there are usual fires because council is also dealing with fires And I do feel the need you know we meet as community we meet on RAD which means with very specific focus While something is boiling and we don't get the chance to meet An exchange on what do we feel where we are at? What what's actually burning? You know and they are not on the specific focus So yes, Wednesday would not be the time to address I would say to open a window to address that yet. Let's see So my request or my recommendation to the council is actually to invite for more and more meeting of the resident assembly With in order to hear one another in order to have you know an open space so that would be my request and My question to you would be what was your direct experience with the working committee because you are somehow in your mandate you have Taking care of the good functioning of the working group and the disfunctioning of the working committee was quite a major event this year And and I was just I'm curious to hear Did you feel empowered? Did you feel having the confidence to do something? What was your direct experience basically throughout? We we have to admit that we were impacted You know, we have good relationships with all the individuals, but as a team they Early already early it was felt from our side because we actually are often Looking at challenging situations together with them. So for us, they are kind of a sounding board also, but this year It became more and more difficult to collaborate And we actually saw their challenge in the team. So And on wavy we were impacted, but we saw the challenge in the team and When it actually grew and it grew into a phase where where it really needed attention First of all, they did not really there were members that did not want into interference And on the other side we as a team are very new. So we also maybe felt We're lacking confidence to to push to push for Reconciliation to push for mediation to push for facilitation. So the resistance of some members and our inexperienceness That definitely was there. So I can say We all witnessed that the way it's it's detrimental if in a if such an important team as the working committee is not really functioning well in a crisis situation, so That was it Yeah, mostly I just noticed they they yeah, they just weren't available a lot of the time, you know and Stressed out and but I think she via said most of it. You guys want to see? Yeah Thank you. We have about 45 40 minutes left. We have quite the speakers list So I'm just going to let you know who is on the speakers list so we can begin to move this so Eric, thank you for waiting. So Eric is next followed by Fabian Ashok Gundolf Elvira Priya Edzard Raqal Joel Sophie and Jasmine and One more ah Sumit. Okay Eric come so we'll keep our arc Yeah, maybe stop taking names for now Thanks for your work. My name is Eric from Baraka and it looks like a challenge is The power of implementation Can't you hear? Maybe speak like this Like that Yeah So it looks like a big issue is the power of implementation of the recommendation and decisions of the Orville Confield in General how do you evaluate that Yeah, that power of implementation in general it's related to also what said Mita But I wanted to that first question. The second question is Is there a Subgroup or group that is planned to work on the feedbacks Feedbacks in general all the kind of feedbacks the accountability of feedbacks given that kind of things So the first question was the implementation and the evaluation of What the power of the implementation? What would you need to strengthen that aspect to have kind of more power To implement that any group could really say that it's kind of mandatory what we say No discussion You know the first thing that comes to mind is that that I'm not sure everybody wants us to have more power I think a lot of people often accuse us and other working groups of abusing Whatever power they have, but when I came to council, I remember actually being surprised how little Power we had how little people listen to us Or how little like yeah, I mean when push comes to shove and someone doesn't want to do what you tell them to do What do you do? What can you do? So it's a very broad question. I think you have to probably Speak about that more specifically in specific areas Yeah And what was this I Think it's a very interesting question What can we do to improve? Implementation what is needed, you know power or not power, but implementation in order will in many sections sectors is is is a We are weak in so I I take this as a Request to think about so let let us Think about what we would need to improve and to yeah to strengthen that We'll get back to you, but let's first and ask ourselves all How can we help each other and this community that we stay with what we agree on that we don't Question it afterwards And I believe the second question. Yes, the second question was about the subgroup for feedback Who would like to take that? Do you have a subgroup for feedback? This is a suggestion. We don't have we try to you know if we get feedback we reflect But we are a little team so how to Bring feedback back into a wider realm to think Yes, ultimately. Yes, but before that steps Yes, oh, I think we would need to sit with you We would need to sit with you to understand you well But how do we create feedback loops that later are also are kind of taken in to Ultimately shape shape whatever is To be shaped because a feedback if it's not in is it's not brought into the actual Relation of that policy or whatever it's useless. So how to do this? I cannot say do you I don't know right now I I think I want to reflect on Yeah, I'm she said clearance panel if I remember right the clearance panel is specific to Selection processes and clearing people of feedback But we know that the clearance panel is not Operational and we know that's something that often comes up. I So that's another question. We're not gonna Okay, so No, he was just asking if because I think what he's saying is that The community gives feedback and and it should land somewhere. There's no point in giving feedback if it doesn't get incorporated or used or Just any feedback, huh? Sorry exactly means you have a dialogue. Yeah, that's what I was yeah Yeah So so Tom you're asking that in the future. There is a dialogue Or you're asking no, he's just explaining to us what he was trying to tell us and ask us Yeah Yes, as a principal there needs to be a dialogue Yeah Yeah, come up Yeah, absolutely, and I think that's what Elisa was speaking to Tom you need to be in the microphone So Tom is saying there needs to be a dialogue between the residents assembly or the residents of Orville and and the working groups And I think that's what you were speaking to Eric. Is that that communication needs to be stronger? Yeah, okay. I'm confused by that now But I think that's also what it needs to be both a negative feedback and a positive feedback And it is whoops, sorry And how it's implemented. Yeah, and the dialogue. Yes. Yeah, so let us think about that and get back to you But I think what kind of encompasses most of that is what Elisa was saying was asking for more regular meetings like this Right where one connects more to the community and one creates a stronger Relationship and bond. Yeah Thank You Eric Fabian Yeah, hi Fabian Sorry, I'm trying to sort my thoughts. So this is about neutrality about power. It's about What can I do at this moment where I think the entire way of how I And I hope a lot of others in Orville have seen how we govern ourselves is questioned The RA as one of the pillars of the Orville Foundation Act is increasingly sidelined We have the working committee where we have four members who openly Disqualify the RA from participating in processes which deal with building our city We have the ATDC initiating a restructuring process completely sidelining the RA Not answering two questions which were posed by me and many others on the or a net you were copied to that Coming to your mandate Point number four is very clearly to to look at and facilitate the functioning of representative working groups and So it's a core element and you signed up for it. So I'm sorry I understand that individually it's difficult But if you are in that group who has that job and you see that one and a half Working groups go completely berserk and this is what in my opinion we have right now Then yes, you have to go to the governing board. You have to go You have to go to the foundation office and then it's not a question anymore of neutrality or anything But it's standing up for the job that you signed up to do and if you can't do that And you feel powerless or you don't want to deal with it Then you take the call and you step back you justify why you are stepping back and you have all my sympathy for doing so But you step back Saying and saying to the governing board saying to the foundation office. This is we feel Impossibly challenged it goes beyond our resources to deal with that and therefore we stop but don't pretend to be a functioning working group Yeah, so this I think is something and there is no question anymore of neutrality Point number four says you oversee the functioning of a working group if that working group is not functioning There is no point of neutrality either. Yes or no So but thanks for coming up and standing here in front and sorry It's really not personal but it's addressed to one group and I appreciate your effort of doing that here And I hope you find the strength in the response that you get from the group from the community So not a question Yeah Thank You Fabian Yeah, so you said a lot of things there Fabian I wish we could have actually exchanged about each one of those So to try to recount so First of all council has always been as far as I understood I actually looked up in the foundation act where we fit and if we are a group that's created by the residents assembly under 193 then we should actually have direct contact with the governing board, but as I always understood we're not actually Created under that but we're created under the clause to help the residents assembly organize itself, right? So so far Typically, I mean the history of the council as far as I know has usually never engaged with the governing board at all In fact, when I was saying hey, let's say something to the governing board Shibaya who is one of our older members would say no. No, that's not our job. That's for the working committee right, so So that's the first point. So then secondly you were saying that we become a dysfunctional working group because we're not living up to well those standards certainly, I think with the ATDC and Working committee, I mean it says in our mandus that we should make sure that they're doing what they're supposed to be doing Which I think is super important For the RA that it has a group that checks on the other groups and says hey, what are you doing? But again, I think the climate within the council when I came at least the strength wasn't there people didn't even realize that that was their job. It's it it seemed like and Yeah, so and I think also and actually Amrit just told me don't cry wolf too often, but I think it's a little bit so so we have the working committee We've had trouble with the working committee as we all know ATDC also. There's a lot of stuff going on and I Think within our realm. We've tried to uphold our things. So simply because And and the work that you're talking about Fabian, which is communicating to the governing board is actually Usually in the hands of the working committee and the ATDC, right? Now I would actually agree that if in an emergency like we have now You know if we were more empowered more skilled had more time Then yes, then then I wouldn't see why we shouldn't extend our you know our work to Speaking with the governing board so far the secretary has pretty not entirely ignored us but has only met with us once no twice once once once twice and Invited us to other other meetings But we are basically not an important group in the eyes of you know the oral foundation and So far the governing board so we're not really on the map But we do have a different function which is to try to organize and help the RA with its functions for all the You know to uphold and do all the things that we are doing So actually, I don't think it's fair for you to say that To ask us to step down because we're not like Superman counsel, you know, but we have done a fair amount We're trying what we can and we're here as well now, right? So I don't think any of the other groups have come forward have have wanted to connect to the residence assembly Yeah, you know trying our best. I mean yeah, it's pretty disappointing for me after the amount of effort and work And I really feel we've done a lot of good work actually right to hear someone say that you should resign if you're not up to the job When it's not actually even our job Yeah, typical as far as I understand Well, come Fabian come. Let's talk about it. Come. No, I think what we can do is there can have another Opportunity where there can be a discussion, you know, sometimes when we have Vulnerabilities and when we speak her mind there are feelings that are hurt There's different perceptions, but we're all here when one part of us hurts Somehow we all hurt. So thank you for sharing your thoughts Fabian Thank you for sharing your thoughts and thank you all for coming together because we need to support each other Whatever we feel and think we're here. We are oravillians newcomers We are a family and that's what we are here to do, right? So let's come together not necessarily with smiles and everything, but let's come together with open hearts, right? Okay, now Can I speak to one more thing one more small thing? Is that what we're saying Fabian? It just came to my mind The thing about not it's not about being neutral. So in some ways what's allowed the council to kind of Stick together is that we really try to respect each other's opinions as much as possible although there are Largely varying opinions in the in in the in the council and somehow You know It's not for us. It's not about choosing one side or the other and although personally I do have a side, but somehow it didn't feel like it didn't feel like that was my role to just pick a side You know it was more about trying to see how can we fulfill the role that we are mandated to do for the community as best as we can Thank you Ashok and then Gondorf and then Elvira if you don't mind coming and sitting up close to the front Then we can move quickly Ashok Gondorf will you come and sit on a cushion or a chair and Elvira as well? Hello, everyone Thanks, Mita Unless this community is united we actually can't do anything about building infrastructure so see about it and You already have formed What a dream-weaving? Architecture group here. So they have to see what they have to see what they have to do about it Other than that I want to know I mean from the council side They're having a trouble to even when they have issues They have to deal with if they come up to any recommendation or suggestion to people They're having a hard time to implement it and What is the man why it is difficult to implement it? Because nobody has a trust everybody has an insecure to feeling in here so unless you believe in Absolute divine force of mothers and she up into then that's the only way you have to surrender like hey This is what we are and the people who take that suggestion also have to feel the same way Otherwise we can show our muscle and keep on fighting Thank You Ashok Gondorf, I like your reminder to the mother When I enter this room I was happy to read not only the word city But to read the city that the earth's needs and everything towards human unity and this is why I came and I'm very sad to get the latest news That our house is burning and We need from my perspective a fire brigade That we don't go with the old outworn tools that we use a new tool and I was communicating so to people from the out from the council to improve PWG and my point is We have something that is overarching. There are four points from the charter and I saw the movie From Kiri Joshi and the details and I was typing it out that it is a part of your job What I my question is are you ready to become a firefighter? When I listened to you before When we have a cycle We have to put oil that it runs fast But if our cycle goes against the main road and the main road is full of cars against I Want to survive. I want that already survives. I feel we need the tool To secure the way that are we supposed to be and for me the charter with its four points is the main tool when we Elaborate some more details and like parts from Kiri Joshi's video That we use this tool that is obligatory for all members of all working groups that they have to sign a new mandate and In this mandate when they don't follow their new mandate where the Charter to go with the charter There's no way to remain in a working group for me This is a way for fire brigade with within the umbrella that we have a red line That read like this right red line. We can't accept everybody so often. I read from the secretary We all have to go with the charter and the charter is for me all the four points the bonding element This is my contribution and my question Are you ready to become firefighters? Not alone, but with all of us that we do it different than before So there was a question a comment and then a question. Are you ready to become firefighters with the residence assembly? We're constantly firefighting so Alvira Thank you, I'm gonna sit because I'm a bit nervous I Didn't want to come here today, and then I came and now I know why so I want to start by saying cladine satya Balaji Ganesh Syrian Chivaya We've spent a lot of time with each other and I want to thank you personally for being here today and for the time we worked with each other and In my role in my different roles But in my role as a Kudam founder and mama and before that being part of the council I've worked I think with every single council in the last ten years closely And so I want to give you a feedback first and say what you wrote up there about really being committed to doing the work Really working hard Really being committed to unity really being committed to showing up as a team as one voice no matter how hard I Really saw that you live that so much and that you have my admiration my gratitude for that and and a job Well done, and I don't think many people in the room have any idea what you actually say when you're saying that So I want to like from my deepest heart say that what What's coming now is on top of that, so I really invite you to hear that as and also and not as either or I think what you've done is In the present situation, I'm not talking about TDC and the town and the public works partner and talking about what is happening globally It's not enough all the amazing work. You've done. It's just not enough and One thing I want to echo is or when I want to show up here is that when I see this presentation of yours It takes me back to nine years ago When the council did their presentations and they said we can't we can't anymore. We're burnt out. We're done We can't do our work the council ten years ago said exactly the same words and was exactly fighting the same fight You're fighting today. They were the same fire brigade For me that is a question that is a fact that if we don't stop and pause and ask ourselves why What are we missing that we are going around in circles? And yes, it might be spirals, but the to the T the issues that at that point for example God could I'm to start are so much the same that I really think we need to pause and What I really think is at the core of it is this thing of power and As long as there is any group that is not mandated under the Orville Foundation Act by name Thinking that they can do anything to get this are a going If the array is not gonna go and get it done by itself, they are falling prey to a savior role We cannot nobody can save us except all of us as long as we are looking up to one group and say Counsel you need to get the array. No way. It's not going to happen So I think your mere existence because people the same with the conflict just because you exist people can say no I'm not going to solve my own conflict. I'm going to the council I'm gonna take their time and energy and they have to solve it for me as long as you exist people will say Oh, the council will make the decision the council has to go to the TDC the council has to go And so we are I think by your mere existence and this has nothing to do with what you're doing or not doing But because you're filling a place that should not be filled anymore of power and of decision-making you are actively Contributing to the RA not being able to stand up. I think we'll only be able to stand up if nobody else is there who we can point at Nobody and so this is my wish for you that you relieve yourself of the role of saving all of us I don't go enough with all my love. I don't think you should be a fire brigade. It's not working Yes, but not them specially we all need to do it and so that's that's my that's my my appeal to you Don't don't try to go into a space that needs to be helped by everybody just dare to Become part of the array without being also part of the council. That's all. Thank you Can I just ask for clarification over here? So are you suggesting that the council dissolve? Yes, okay Okay, and are you suggesting that the working committee and the ITDC also dissolve? I just said I think it's not as easy to dissolve groups that are in the Orville Foundation Act by name. I Think any other working group that is not written into the Orville Foundation Act should dissolve and We face that mess together and I think this would turn us around As long as we can say housing board housing service council here They're this entry group as long as we can sit back and say they have to do it and they did it wrong We are not going to go through the paradigm shift that we need to go through Thank You Alvira the next three people that we have are Priya, Edzard and Raqal if you are just ready to come up and sit up Hello, everyone. I'm Priya I find great what Alvira said. It's in a bigger scope and I'm gonna go back to smaller details My understanding is your mandate is to make sure that the mandate of the working groups is Followed and if it's not for example, what we're a lot of us are agreeing on is that the TDC and the working committee are not a functional group Then what? You're saying that you're sending emails and not receiving them back. Why don't you go there and talk to them? Yeah, thanks, Priya. I think that's a that is a fair question I think yeah, it's a really fair question I think Lodean went up the other day no and tried to ask what's going on up there and Maybe we should have been more proactive To go up to TDC and and and and check on them. Sorry Yeah, you know the other thing That's what you were saying is maybe we should all go together There you go. We should all go together. Yeah, is is that this we we have had also voices in the council Saying that they're doing a good job Right, so like I'm just saying we we're we're quite a you know There's a broad spectrum of opinions within the council. So Yeah Yeah, sure. Issa wants to say something. I don't know who's next. It's hard Some what? Sorry, could you please come up saying some some dictatorships work really well In it's a bit extreme, but it's true some dictatorships function great great social services fantastic Output but that's not the point of what we're trying to do No, and so Doesn't matter if they're doing a good job if they're not doing it in the way That we've all agreed that it needs to be done. Then it's just not what it is So it's not it's not enough to build a beautiful road if it's not with all of us also building it It's not enough just to do one or two things right if it's not in the way that we're all agreeing note process Means versus the result, right? Yeah, you're talking about council, right? Being a not only console like if TDC is making good results, but outside of their mandate completely it shouldn't matter Yeah It should matter that we're all following the mandate and then we might get some things wrong We might get some things right, but it's not about the results. It's about the way the path that we get there Sure, yeah, I mean, it's it's a very broad question. I'm not sure exactly Who you addressing a council or working committee or a TDC you're saying that you wanted to be more proactive And I think everyone said yes, and they said we but we had different voices within the council that said they're going a good Job, but just because someone says yeah, they're doing a good job. That's not What makes something good? Yeah, the following of the mandate that defines the good job not the product Yeah, but but but but we have to we have to act as a group It's very difficult with if the group is dispersed and to like act, right? Thank you Sorry, what was your question again? Why didn't we go up there? I said look yeah, we should have been more proactive We should have gone up there, but it was so bizarre what was going on like we yeah So we try to find out who's working at ATDC. We wrote them a lot of mails They didn't respond and then Claudine went up I Went up and nobody was there We are finished Come come Doesn't that show that that's an unfunctional working group if they're not there and if they are Unfunctional if you get to the point where you can agree that they're not functional then what what is your role? You know this is this is I love this because Yeah, because Well, you see to get to get to the agreement that the dysfunctional is difficult, you know And that's really been very much the process we've had in the council the last year is trying to come to an understanding So once we acknowledge that that is functional, which I don't think as a group we've acknowledged that yet because some members I don't think that I just want to bring in something totally different to ATDC ATDC there is a structure being structured somewhere Whatever we have said has been pushed away We have tried to get into conversation with this group But they are all are oriented towards the race towards the secretary's office that's the truth and they ignore what we say and Sometimes they just respond is out of politeness that maybe they are afraid that we do I don't know I can't answer on it But what we face is we are not taken serious I think also look in regard to ATDC It is a mess. Okay, it's been so difficult because the the secretary is asking them to do certain things a certain section of the Community is asking them to do certain things a certain section really is very unhappy with what they are doing So we didn't know how to implement it. What do you want us to go up there and like? Jump them and pull them out of the office or something. How do we implement? How do we implement? Well, okay, so that's so okay. Okay. Okay. So that's what you think. Okay. I don't think that's the way to do it I think that one should follow process and try to organize things As best as possible without creating chaos. That's my opinion now in terms of the ATDC selection process I mean the RAD is on the table already, right? It was brought and that is the next one Right. So for us already we saw in a sense light at the end of the tunnel Although it is really a bizarre situation right now There seems to be a way out through this RAD and let's see what happens And then everybody here not just the council can decide what to do That's all we could do. Sorry. Yeah, I know we're not superheroes. Sorry. That's all we could do So Nats, is this something that you we can have a subgroup and you can coordinate and organize everyone to come together and go as a group? That's what I'm hearing. Yes, the why not yeah So also are you aware that but there isn't already already Planned for that on on the on that topic It's next in line. It's So the I don't know probably it would probably open up in two or three weeks We're talking about the next in line so what I'm hearing from the group is the group wants to take this back and If you wish to speak I really invite you to come to the front because it's very difficult to hear Cross-talk especially when you're Exactly. Thank you, Sumit. We have six people that are on the list Yes, including you. Okay, so you are the last person on the list We now have about 10 p 10 minutes left So if me it can continue and as we suggested or what came from the floor is let's go as a group Maybe that can be Nats that organizes that or whoever can meet with Nats or you can organize it But let's look at that as a positive action step. Yes Nats. Yes. Thank you. So it's on Thank you. You're doing a marvelous job and I thank you. I bow to you first of all My thanks to all the members of the horrible council whether we agree with their decisions or with their work or not They are trying their best. They're trying hard and they I know that and I appreciate that and I thank all of you Then next I am resonating. I mean, I'm aware it's getting late and we're getting hot I Resonate what has been said by Mita and by Fabian and by Claudine and Finally, especially by Natasha. I have huge respect for people Like Natasha who have been sitting there with Arosil and with Frederick and stopping three JCBs This is actually action Action as opposed to Following process and nothing gets done. So I just want to say thank you Fabian Fabian still here Okay Fabian has done a beautiful well-written compilation of questions and I have put my name under that we all some 20 or more people would like to get the answers on that and Today only I saw the reply from you the horrible council that Very relevant questions, but we are at the moment not able to answer so Can you please try to answer that next time and the other thing I wanted to mention with all the fires Going on and fire briquettes are called for I remind us all with Natasha's You know in the good old days There was an entry group the entry group made some really serious bad mistake Decisions we went there with 65 people with women and children and with banners and with flowers and drinks And went into the office and said hello, sir People you are dismissed and they were dismissed that was of course before the sheriff. Excuse me before the Secretary lady has arrived So please excuse me. That was a slip of tongue really but in the end very quickly I want to remind us that for an Equally important and urgent and burning question is the fact that four or billions have asked for five year extension of the visa And they got three months That this remains at the top of the top of the priority lists Because this is actually opening a two-class society in Orville meaning that the charter and the dream of mother is actually Not followed at all because if you are lucky and you came here through the birth channel, you don't have these problems So please keep this in your mind and at the top of the priority list. Thank you very much We have eight minutes left and we have One two three four five six people May we go a few minutes over so that everyone can be heard. Is that okay with the room? Okay. Thank you Thank you very much. What we can see that was really a very Very respectable and very full of information meeting I think it needs more like many people said but what I want to say is completely apart from your presentation We have heard Mita Evoking something which is very very serious. It's maybe need to be verified. Okay, let's verify But let's also already anticipate if it is true because there are other things like it's not said which are which are true And which are unacceptable There has been today also a letter circulated for petition Asking the the governing board to meet the resident assembly it has been asked several times It has been asked on the meeting which happened on the 12th of April. There is no answer So am I the only one to think that in fact the governing board and the Orville Foundation office is ready to go completely without our advice Collaboration participation if they can if they can But I think they fear something I think we have a power but we have to acknowledge that we have a power and we have to use it and I would give you this image as long as we are not all in jail They will not move a finger So for me, it's clear with Natasha. We should go we should I don't know if it is the solution We have to decide but we have to act we have not to remain discreet with the process Which follows look at the process of the dream weaving we have followed what is happening nothing? Nothing and it will not happen So for me if we are Wednesday when we meet if we don't put this in the center of our Decision making we are missing a point. They will continue. They will continue they will continue and When are we going to to when are we going to react? When are we going to act? We need to act Joel and then Sophie Joel Sophie Okay, Jasmine and Sumit So my question is why didn't we why don't we have multiple RAs or RADs at the same time because As far as I understand it's perfectly possible. We have two running now. We could have five six seven running now Why are we so slow? RA needs to work that means you and you need to facilitate them because that was in the in the slide show No, then the second and the first question was Yeah, no, you don't have to answer that question. I mean you can answer that question without me being here But now I lost my first question. Yeah, wasn't the council supposed to have in their mandate also to Create a vision for Orville or did that get lost in all the conflicts and the firefighting and everything? Respectful your work. It wouldn't want to be in your place, but that was the second question So the first question about the RAD can we do multiple RADs? Is there someone from the RAS can respond to that along with the council? Satish, yeah It's not I Could start satish and then by the time you're here, maybe As far as I know Typically the practice was just to have one RAD at a time until that RAD is done and then to pick up another one But in this case it was decided between council and RAS to at least have overlapping RADs So we're already moving in that direction to have multiple RADs. Now if you're saying one could have a third RAD Yeah, maybe I think the the sense was that the community would get confused Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I know I know because you're so yeah No, no, but look no, I'm just telling you. Okay. What was being said? Okay, don't get don't get angry at me but Yeah No, no, it's Look, it's it was Noel. I think Joel, sorry, I think it came from from It seemed to have come from experience and that that's what some people were saying is that that if you had too many RADs At the same time it would confuse people. I'm just sharing you why okay now Joel, I think you didn't wanted an answer. So one of the answer Please don't get into this confrontation at least You didn't wanted the answer and he's explaining just listen to it, you know Doesn't work like that. I mean if you're gonna go on that matter, I think the others who still need to speak will never speak So that's the explanation Either you could take it live it with it or you know We need to see what are we gonna do as a community and the RA decision-making process is also under review I'm not sure how many of you over here are actually taking part in all those efforts I can ask this question right away because I saw all of you asking when is this 80 DCs RAD is gonna happen. How many of you over here have even participated in that survey that we conducted? Can you please raise your hands? so It looks like a fair amount of people have participated in it and as you can see every RAD takes its own time actually and This is how the residents assembly decision-making process works and I understand there's an urge now You know as a community and you know for the RAS as well. We have 10 RADs and pipeline at this point of time You have to see that actually and you know, we cannot push it because we cannot push it. I'm sorry We cannot push it my understanding my understanding because this room today feels that it needs to go urgently I am sorry We are we are we are not sure to talk about how the residents assembly is gonna take decisions in the future or Currently we're here about the Orwell council. I think we need to go through that topic If you want to really go into decide on how the RAD can fastly fast-track decision-making process Please participate in the RA decision-making review process. That's happening. This is not the space for it. Okay. Thank you It is happening, okay, we have different perspectives Philippe We have different perspectives and we have as many perspectives as there are in this room Let's at least honor them. We may not agree with them But let's at least honor them and with respect. So I respect what you're saying at the same time I respect what you're saying, but let's not get at each other And that's why madam secretary is winning because they're on us one thing trap. Yes And and and as Syrian said we are already trying to fast-track the RADs as much as possible And that's where the SPRTF RAD and the working committee. No confidence is happening Parallely and it is actually confusing. You may not agree a lot of people are confused and they write to us not to the residents They are confused. What is the meeting that's happening today for the SPRTF meeting? They are confused that it's the working committee topic There is a lot of confusion We cannot have so many topics running at the same time because it's very urgent and I I understand We are at the stage where we need to make a lot of decisions But it cannot be fast-tracked, you know because I want to say two things there First of all, I think that we can improve and we can try to speed up as much as possible the RAD processes Using the current interim policy at the same time. We're also working Well, we're looking at how we can Because anyway after nine months, we were supposed to come with a new RADs policy So with the new RAD policy, I'm sure because I think many of us feel the same that RADs take too long Right, so that's definitely on the table And I think Shibaya you want to speak to something? Sophie Thank you. First I really want to thank all the people who are part of all the group It's very difficult at the moment to be part of any group It's very easy to point the finger at other people and at what is not working But I think in all the group there is division because we are not all always on the same line So there is already a lot of work to get to an agreement within every group And even though I am but I very much which why Fabien, Alvira, Mita said I don't think that asking the council to step down will resolve anything because who else? Will come forward. We really miss lack Skilled people who can really take responsibility, be committed and do the work that all the groups are doing at the moment Including the Resident Assembly service My question is and I know it's not just the council responsibility But first is I'm questioning the legitimacy of the governing board because I cannot see that any member of the governing board profile correspond to what The members of the governing board are supposed to do which are people who have been promoting the ideals of all over for a long time So that the first thing I'm addressing and I don't think he's on just the council Responsibility but someone has to address it and the second thing I think already has been addressed is how to prioritize what needs to be done to take decision which have to be Respond to in a very urgent manner with not by passing all the process, but how to go faster So I heard a little bit what Satish said Yeah, how to prioritize and how to react when there is an emergency situation like what Mita was saying Okay, so how do you prioritize in an emergency situation? Would you like to respond to that? I Think I mean what I what I believe is first of all is all good if we meet and yeah definitely we have to meet more but also meet more in a silent and reflective way These emergencies and come with very Studied and well formulated Information I I am kind of allergic to Emergencies in a way where we are just all Thinking oh yo yo yo this has to happen Let's define what is really at at stake and what who and how we can do I'm I'm not sure That this can be answered here I would like to put it all for a future our GM that we reflect how can be meaningful as a collective Answer to emergencies all together. How do we meet look at the issue? And then how can we see who acts and how when To put it on us. I find not fair So there's I think three three topics you brought up one is the the emergencies So as we all know right all of us know because of what happened is that actually the working committee is? Empowered to call for emergency RADs, right? So typically that was in the hands of the working committee now I think since that happened a lot of us are like hey, why is it only in their hands? Okay, so we'll have to see in future how we can improve on that I want to speak to the other thing Sophie said which is about the governing board and And and question questioning the appointment of the governing board personally I don't even know I wouldn't know where to start But I do know that usually if at all anybody would approach the governing board or do something in in that manner It would be the working committee. That's my experience and it wouldn't fall upon the council although I Mean I have asked the same question at times because if you look at the foundation act It's clear that they should have Contributed valuable service towards Orville before being appointed, you know I mean there's certain things about the foundation act also that are like yeah, you know, maybe it could have been written better and What was the other point? What was the third point? Emergency is governing board and oh the other thing I want to say is that you see in terms of all of our structures Like what we were facing was Recently was I think in two On two separate instances. There was this push to sort of try to delegitimize the RA Right and to say that the RA is dysfunctional and therefore any of its decisions are not worth anything, right? So that's the problem, right and We were definitely trying to kind of just make sure that you know that we choose to to stabilize and Follow the processes, you know keep, you know support RAS and make sure that you know That was part of the poll. Also the poll had a similar intention just to make sure that we're you know maintaining Well, you know, I mean to me was just bizarre that anybody would even question that the RA That the RA was a legitimate body anymore, you know, or that the RA was even What was what was said that the RA seen as a body that is not able to Sorry Disfunctional or is not representative anyway something like that, you know, but yeah more than anything, you know Number one priority for all of us for all our billions because all our billions are RA members is to make sure that the RA is Upheld, you know and is legitimate and that we have systems whereby we can make decisions And when decisions are made that they're that they're upheld and implemented and respected Thank you. We're starting to lose people and we have one last person jasmine. You've decided not to you're okay. Okay. Thank you, Sumit Hi, I think The points I wanted to bring up came to me when you showed the mandate of the Auroville council to ensure that the working group Stick to a mandate But there is no mention of any power you have to ensure They stick to any mandate, I think Priya bring it up and some other people So I think the RA is dysfunctional because we give mandates without the possibility of discharge the mandate in a proper way Processes are very long-drawn and we can see in this emergency when the governing board and the foundation They meet regularly I think they met within a month and they have things and they have power and we Need three months to come to a decision or anything or put a voice in front as a body So again if we look at the RAD process when I joined Auroville about 15 years ago There was not such a long-drawn process. There were general body meetings. Did you hear about the RAD process when the Master plan was what did no it was a general body meeting So we created these long-drawn processes which take months and require this and that in order to take decisions Clearly because we thought we live in a very stable world in which we have months to act in the COVID pandemic Did the RAS coordinate anything? No, it couldn't it was done by, you know, Porto's new Porto's visit center Santhe we got together and did it so we have to admit that the residence assembly process is very slow long winding and there are overlapping mandates given to groups and There is nothing about working for example Is there anything in the act which says that residents cannot meet the foundation or the governing board or only working committee can meet the Governing Board. It doesn't exist Working committee is the official representative for official matters But there is nothing which prevents housing met the governing board FAMC met it and I somehow agree with Elvira that we live an illegal structure like it or not and in that the governing board is the supreme body and They are going to or trying to bring the FAMC under them The TDC has already said in the dream-waving first session that we report to the governing board. We were appointed by them So I think we need to see the power structures And if we want to have a voice together find a way to have a voice Maybe it's better not to have any other internal groups. I do think housing and all are needed to allocate houses But yeah, if the honorable council has no power given to it as per their mandate Then you can't do anything right you write emails you talk to them. You have no power You can't dismiss people you can't deselect people you can't tell people you have not done your job and even Internally today we are not able to agree in any group of eight ten or hundred people. What is right or what is wrong? So I understand your difficulty Because to take an action you have to agree internally that this action is coherent with a majority at least so I just see that We have put up complicated processes. We write words. We give mandates. We don't check if the overlap We don't check if they can be enforced and that's why we are in this mess We are unable to speak in a coherent voice in any sort of expeditious manner when an emergency for example I respect that the council has stood together, but it seems to have been at the cost of standing back and not Meeting the emergency need for example, we have had a presentation when the problem is the working committee is divided the ATDC is doing what it wants and I think Mita brought up the whole point of the contract So I think we can stop perhaps thinking about how a structure has been for many years and See whether we if we are to have relevance. I'm not sure we can I am not sure we can do anything if the governing board appoints or gives contract to PWD I really don't know what we can do Also, we don't have any alternative to the proposal. They're coming up But at least we can find a way to organize ourselves and have a common voice Which can be articulated in an expeditious manner. So at least we can say we don't agree with this and these are the reasons Otherwise, we just talk we have already processes the thing about The first one went on for three months and People are confused, but why are they confused? We meet more often. Maybe if it's a fire. So just my thought When I think when we say that is dysfunctional I think it means in a ourselves in a way that is efficient and coherent and Mother never wanted this mish-mash of bodies She wanted a group and we never empowered any group of nine ten twelve eight people who could take final decisions Which are binding we have created all these bodies between FAMC entry service Housing BCC or a will council working committee Can you tell me which one can say this is the way our will is going today and we have to stick someone asked about vision? I forgot Without vision How do you check if someone is following the mandate? So I think we have lost the track somewhere Maybe deliberately because we didn't trust any group to stand for us But given this very strong presence of people who know what they are doing and who are quite certain It seems that they're doing Charter. We need to do something Otherwise, I don't think we can do much honestly. Okay Thank you, Samit. We have now gone Well into the 15 minutes over is there one thing that you can say in less than a minute So we can close up because we are losing people and they've really taken I would like to Bring something else in because I just heard so much make a lot of points and I'm not as pessimistic as you are I'm actually extremely optimistic I Try to be extremely optimistic I Don't think there's nothing that we can do. I think that's also quite self-defeating. I think You know the RA has legal rights, you know, and I also don't think that we're entirely dysfunctional I think the RA has you know managed to of course, there's a big room for improvement I also think that fundamentally that's what Orville is about actually is about figuring it out Figuring it out figuring out a new way of doing things, you know and in terms of yeah, I mean you were also Suggesting like Elvira that maybe the council should be dissolved or something actually I've heard that earlier and Sure, if that's what the RA decides go for it, but I do see that the RA that the council is fulfilling Very specific role and doing a lot right and if the council wasn't there things would fall apart So I mean actually where I see the problem is in our ability to implement right and and and to organize And I feel that we're moving towards trying to organize better But I'll share with you that when I first came into the council I really felt like how responsible of The RA right to put a council in place that doesn't have training right to have We're we're very disorganized. I mean I don't say you know, but There's there's a lot of things simply not in place and we just haven't organized ourselves well enough And I think that's all we have to do. We have to move towards organizing ourselves better Right and in relation to the governing board And in relation to the governing board the RA has rights. So let's say not say that we there's nothing we can do Yeah, thank you to meet. Thank you, Suryan. Thank you very much I can see that there are people that would really like to go You have been so beautiful so patient listening to each other with an open heart and yes We have disagreed but we have disagreed with heart and we've disagreed in harmony if there is such a thing and we have had Diversity in unity and unity in diversity. So big kudos for all of us here and there is a way There most definitely is a way and the question is not to ask. Oh God, how am I gonna? Yes, up until now, but now how do we move forward and we've had a few suggestions Two words Good. Yeah, good. Well, let's all say good. Well, shout it out. No good will on that note Good Will Thank you. Yes People of good will I am going to ding the gong and I'm going to invite you to have a moment of silence Where we come together just a moment of silence Yes quality