 The People's Democratic Party crisis deepens as reps urge Uche Secundus to resign while the national chairman himself reaches a deal to resolve the crisis in the party. And the sit-at-home order turns bloody as gunmen riot in Anambra and remote states. This is plus politics and I am Mary Anna Cohen. The People's Democratic Party PDP Cockers of the House of Representatives has called on its national chairman Uche Secundus to resign from office to pave way for the resolution of the crisis rocking the party. Meanwhile the People's Democratic Party PDP Governors and the embattled national chairman of the party, Prince Uche Secundus appeared to have reached a new deal as part of efforts to resolve the crisis which engulfed its leadership and ensure lasting peace in the party. Joining us to discuss this is Ikwere Local Government Chairman in River State, Samoan Wanusike, and former Executive Director of Public Affairs and Social Media to the Adult State Governor Greg Ogiyogwa. Thank you very much gentlemen for joining us. Gentlemen, can you hear me? Yes, I can. Thank you for the opportunity. Okay. I'm going to start with you Wanusike. It's interesting what's happening in your party and I know that the PDP has been experiencing this crisis for a few months before the members of the BOT even decided that they were going to resign. But let's start with the fact that on Monday there was some form of protest for and against the chairman of the party. What exactly is the grouse of those who are saying that the chairman should resign? Well, first of all, let me thank you for the opportunity of joining this program. I want to say clearly what's happening in our party is rebuilding a political party to position itself for the forthcoming assignment of the taking Nigeria from the misrule the progressive Congress have provided for the people of this nation. If you will know and if you will remember that the people of the National Party is the only political party that have structures in the 774 look after making Nigeria. And so what Nigerians are expecting is a political party that has credible alternative to what is happening today because that is democracy. And so the people of the National Party as the structure today led by this current National Working Committee has lost the confidence of even its members of National Working Committee. You had the information given by those who resigned their office from various positions. They said it clearly and that is why the party leadership, the night and the beauty have to come in to say look, we need to save the only hope the Nigerians have come 2023 to rebuild this nation and make Nigeria the future that it is. We need to rebuild it. We need to bring it back. And that's why I thank God Almighty that all parties, including the National Chairman has say reasons from those who had the mind that it's time to rebuild this party to position the party to be able to produce a credible alternative. Nobody has any personal problem with the National Chairman of our party. No. What we're talking about is that look, this time we need men and women who have what it takes to produce this credible alternative that the APC has made Nigeria go through. When you say that nobody has a personal problem with the Chairman of the party, there are those who are directly asking for him to resign and this is not today. They've been asking him to resign. I'd like to quote directly members of the House of Representatives who are in the PDP. They had leveled several allegations against the Chairman. They've accused him of not having a clear roadmap, a blueprint and, of course, not leading the party are right. And if you say that this is not personal, the Chairman is the Chairman. He's the leader of the party and if he's being accused of these things, it means that the people who are accusing him somewhat think that he's incapable of leading the party and that makes, that sounds a bit personal to me. No, we cannot be personal because the party chairman is not sitting there as the national chairman as seen in his personal business alone. People's democratic party is a effort that is carrying millions of Nigerians to a destination. Like you know, as we talk, as we stand today, the Constitution does not recognize what they call it, what they call people running with that political party. The Constitution does not recognize the... Independence. Independent candidates. Thank you very much. So everybody who holds in this political party, and that political party is a beaker, that will bring you to acceptance and give you the incredible opportunity for you to participate in a march that will be refrained by INEG. So what we are saying as a party, he has done his bit, but as we speak today, from what we have seen, even you that is asking this question, You know that the losses and the errors of the APC is so enormous that any opposition political party at this point would have raised the tempo politically and Nigerians would have started by now seeing what the case, the government they are expecting to commit in 2023 would have been. So we as a political party, we have been practical. Nobody has any personal problem with anybody. What we're saying is that we need a political party that can be able to win the election against 2023. Not the political party that is supposed to be standing as an opposition. Yet members are drifting from this political party to every political party that is constantly in trouble. So there's something absolutely wrong. And that's why the next and all every critic has to take over. All those... Oh I think we lost connection there. All those whose lives and programmes and principles depend on the political party. They will never keep quiet. They will never keep silent. They must make sure that they have a verbal vehicle to be able to transmit or to position for 2023 and 10 Nigerians the message they have. Okay. Mr Oggyogwa, over to you. Here's making a case that the party needs to move to a position where it can take out the APC, which is the party in power. But how do you take out the party in power when your main soldiers, your foot soldiers have crossed over to another political party, the same party that you're trying to fight against or trying to take over power from? And they have gone there one way or the other to solidify the strength of that party. Shouldn't the party members, no matter how bad the situation is, stay within the party to grow it and form that formidable force to take out the APC in the words of members of the PDP? Great question, ma'am. Fantastic question. You've got it right there. But the thing about it is it's not the foot soldiers that are moving. It's the middle line management. You see, the foot soldiers are the ordinary people. You and I, I mean, not you and I. I don't know about you, but, you know, me and my brother on the other side who was speaking, people like us are the foot soldiers. We're the ones who go out before the elections, on the elections, and after elections to secure the votes and to secure government in place. So we haven't moved. You have fortune seekers, political fortune seekers who will wave and who will move from place to place looking for what you would call the greener pastures, greener political pastures. So you find a lot of that and you find some of the governors, especially within the PDP fold who are thinking, you know, that some way or the other that they will get a presidential ticket, especially those from the southeast that they will get a presidential ticket in 2023. So I'm sorry to speak over you, but I'm curious as to how these people in a space of a few days have become, you know, economic power seekers or whatever you call them. These were men and women who were members of your board of trustees. These are the people that you gave the management of your party to, aside from the chairman, and in one breath they have become the enemy all of a sudden because they've decided to go to another political party. No, no, no, nobody said there were the enemy. I just said political power seekers. I didn't say enemy. We don't have any enemies within the political space. We might contend on political issues and ideology, but we're not enemies. We are brothers and sisters. We are fellow citizens of Nigeria. There's no enmity within the Nigerian family, not from our perspective. But the thing is this, now it makes you wonder, look, are we better off today? Is Nigeria better off today than it was four years, five years ago? Is Nigeria better off today than it was in 2014, 2015 when the PDP was in power? Now, even if that is contentious and even if that is arguable, the bottom line is this. Do we have enough reasons to support APC in power any longer? Obviously not. The APC came to power with very, very specific reasons, specific mandates. One, was the security to secure lives and property. Two, was the economic recovery. And three, was corruption, to fight corruption. Now, I'm sure that anybody across Nigeria will agree with me that they have not succeeded on any one of those. But they will argue with you that they have. They will tell you that they have been able to do this, that and that. I mean, I remember talking to an APC representative on this show and he said that the country is better off now than it was under the PDP. Oh, really? Well, I mean, that's a matter of opinion. And everybody has an opinion. But I can tell you one thing for free. The average man on the street does not believe so. You have seen the NSAS riots, the NSAS protests. And you know that those things, that protests almost went out of control. It almost became what you would call a fight for democracy. People had already started asking for the president to resign. It was no longer an end to police brutality. It had become, you know, a question of the systematic or the systemic rule of the APC. And we're seeing that everywhere. I mean, you look at what they're trying to do with the ban on Twitter, which is basically to try and restrict the free flow of information and expression of independent opinion. That's what they're trying to do. And we're beginning to see that more and more. And so anyone who tells me now that people are moving to the APC because it is a progressive party. The party is not necessarily true. They're not progressive. The APC is no longer progressive. This is basically what you would call, well, a retrogressive party. They're no longer progressive. Well, call it whatever you may. And I'm not in any ways, I'm not a spokesperson for the APC either. But your party members are moving. And it's not just one, not two. They're moving to the APC. The same party that you are saying is retrogressing, is not doing or has not fulfilled its promises. But then members of your political party are going there in their numbers and not just at the national level, but at the state level. So there has to be something in that party or there's something that they're doing, right? That is attracting members of your political party. For whatever reason... Sorry, sorry. The one thing that they've got right, the one thing that they've got, not that they've got right, the one thing they've got is that they are empowered in power. And for a very long time, Nigerian politicians have always gravitated to the center of power. One of the reasons why people are asking for restructuring. So if you restructure, the center of power is no longer in Abuja, but across the different states where, you know, federating units. And people do no longer have to co-tow to the center. That's one of the things. Now, and then there are also a whole lot of situations. I hate to bring this up, but there are a whole lot of situations where you see governors who have down first terms want a second term. And they think that federal might bring them into, will give them a second term. That is what they think. We've proven them wrong in adult states. We've proven them wrong in adult states. That doesn't necessarily have to be. Now, another thing is this. If you look at what they consider as the winning formula of what you'd call short-sighted, myopic politicians who think that because the APC controls the federal government right now, that APC will win the next election. All they have to do is to look at 2015 and see for themselves what happened. And I can tell you one thing, another thing for free. I told you one thing for free before. I'll tell you another one thing for free. The Nigerian public will decide the next elections. I'm going to put a pin there and come back to talk about the Nigerian people deciding the next election. But let me go back to Wanoseke. He raised issues about the APC and, you know, it being regressive, but I still see people moving to the party. But this is where I'm going now. The governor of your state seemed to be one of those who were asking that the party chairman resign. But I remember years ago when Mr. Seconders was about to, you know, assume power, he supported him. He stood by him. But then all of a sudden, the governor of River State, Governor Wieke's name keeps coming up. And many have, there have been whispers in certain quarters that he probably is angling for something. So I ask you directly, what is your governor angling for? Is he trying to run for something? What is his interest in Mr. Seconders' chairmanship? First of all, let's take it one after the other. He raised some issues, so let's take them one after the other. Governor Wieke said, go do fish. He has no hiding place. So if people talk about him, he's expected. We are proud of him. We are proud of his achievements. We are proud that River State has sought body like Governor Wieke to present to the legitimate people at their appropriate time. That is not the basis of this discussion. Governor Wieke is a member of the People's Democratic Party. And he needs the very full People's Democratic Party to be able to translate his aspirations, his wishes, his ideas, his programs of policies to the people of Nigeria. That is the only variable that he can say. He will use to say, look, you knew when we were in power. This was not what we were doing. We lost power. These people came and said there's some problem that they will solve. Now, have they been able to solve the problem? No. What are they using? They are blackmailing and casually people to come to their party. Of course we know. Wieke vessels are those who have gone to their party and don't want to brush up on that. 2023 will decide if they have the capacity to manage the fortune of their state or not when that time comes across that bridge. But in concentrating on what we are discussing. Governor Wieke is saying, yes, there's nothing wrong with me supporting you to come to power. But if the idea that we are using supporting you is not achieved, then what is the essence in staying in that support? Governor Wieke is not a spirit. He is a human being. He has the right to say, look, I think this man can do it. But if the man gets there and has issues that is not confirming with his aspirations and with what he believes that the party should be doing as a party he belongs to. He has the right to say, no, we will bring new blood. We will bring new set of people to be able to reposition this political party so that we can have a credible vehicle to be able to transmit our ideas and tell Nigerian people, yes, there's a problem that has been created by the President Buahare, APC-led administration. We are here to solve that problem. We, the Democratic Party, give us this confidence. We have the structure that someone has followed in Nigeria. We have the ideas to be able to reprand Nigeria and make Nigeria the future of Africa. We want to work with tango to do that. Kuchu Sokondu himself has come to agree that, yes, we will work together. Let's do this conversion in October rather than in December and let's be able to reposition our party to be able to get this job done for the Nigerian people. And we are all working together now. So I think we need to move forward. Let's talk about the issues that have been raised against Mr. Sokondu. He has even responded saying that so far all of these allegations that he's heard none of it has really warranted his resignation. And, of course, his time in office is yet to expire. So I'm still really wondering why everybody's pushing. If there's a problem in the party, the party should fix it. Should it be, I mean, if changing a person and putting another person, because you said it wasn't about Kuchu Sokondu. But now, if you're saying, take Mr. Sokondu, after the picture, and you bring another person, is that really going to heal the party? Will that bring an immediate solution to the party? I also want to understand why the PDP as a party, many have concluded that the PDP has not been able to play its part as a viable opposition to the APC. Since the APC came into power in 2015, and here we are in 2021, the PDP is still struggling to put its party together. And now we see it looking like a house divided against itself. How formidable can the PDP become 2023 if in 2021 was still having to deal with issues like this? Okay, look at, you know, even in this discussion we're having now, you yourself as a presenter have answered part of the question. You just said now that the PDP has to have the PDP has to have today, a lot, the PDP has to have today to be able to convince Nigerians that they can be able to correct the mistakes of this present administration. So that is another reason why members and leaders of the party are saying, please don't worry, let's work together, let's be able to produce a credible executive that can be able to rest in power from these people. Wouldn't you like it or not? Nigerians are expecting PDP to come with a clear program and policies, a clear alternative to what the PDP is doing that they can be able to touch, they can be able to hold, they can be able to see. Are you sure that Nigerians are expecting anything from the PDP anymore because they've not really seen the PDP play in the administration? Including you, including you, who is even asking this question. In your deepest of heart you know that you're expecting Nigerians because it's not even so good for even you that is even asking this question. I didn't know that you could read minds. Nobody is in truth. How can we live in a nation where even you cannot even travel or road from one set of journey to another, where you sleep with all your eyes open. In a nation where you're not sure of what the economy policy of the nation will be tomorrow and what is the dream anybody is chasing in this nation. A nation that all our qualified people are living in this country, we're having brain drain. Today as we speak, recent doctors are still having issues. People are dying in our hospitals. A nation that has no program and policy, all we have is lies and intimidation. See, the truth of the matter is that Nigerians have made up their mind. But what's happening in the registration, the INEC registration, young people are getting registered to say we don't want to protest in the street again. We want to protest with our vote come 2023. And that is why the ABC stand. That is why they have to vote in the National Assembly to manoeuvre the process to stop class 52 in the Electoral Act. So that they can be able to stop the issue of transmitting results from the cooling units. They know that Nigerians have made up their mind. But your PDP members were also part of the Senate. Your members of your party were also part of those who said no to the electronic transmission of results. So you can't really hit this at the table of the ABC, can you? No, no, no, no, who is in charge of the both houses? Well, it doesn't matter. If your party wants to... We shouldn't see members of the PDP on that list. When the People's Democratic Party, when the People's Democratic Party was rejigging the Electoral Act, they were rejigging the Electoral Act in a positive direction under the People's Democratic Party. They brought in the quadrilla. Of course. So we are saying that if you have the majority, I want Nigerians to move on. You know, civil society, entire Nigerians are saying we want to save the life of INF workers. We want to save the life of security agents and elections. We want to save the lives of reporters like you on Election Day. We want to save the lives of voters who don't want the issue of hijacking of results, rewriting results as coalition centers. Let the true reflection of the votes of the people that are casted at the polling units do what will come to an end summer. That's what we're saying. All right. Back to you, Mr. Ogoyiguwa. Let's go back to that thing we put a pin on. You talked about the fact that the People's votes will decide in 2023. But I just want to talk about a litmus test. For example, let me use Lagos State. A few weeks ago, we had local government polls. The polling units were virtually empty. Just a handful of people were there. There seems to be, I mean, we could call it whatever. Some people are saying that there's voter apathy. It's really, some people are saying that, you know, they're having, you know, a brain drain. There's so many ways to describe the low turnout for, you know, the elections here in Lagos State. And Lagos is the economic capital of Nigeria. I mean, talk more about other parts of the country. If you are so certain that the voters will decide in 2023, we'll especially start now to understand their mindsets. And their mindsets is what we saw in Lagos local government elections. Except you can convince me, you know, on the opposing side. Oh, I think that we have lost that connection with Greg Ogoegua. Let's come back to you. So I'm going to ask that same question to you. If the voters are going to decide, I'm sure you had my question. So if you can attempt it, people seem not to care. Hello. Yes, I can hear you. Did you hear my question? All right, go ahead. Yes, I heard your question about Lagos State local government elections. Now, two things. First of all, local government elections are under state, under state laws. So first of all, it's the Lagos Independent Electoral Commission that conducts elections where not the Independent National Electoral Commission. But there are still elections. There are still elections. People still show up, upholding unions to cast their votes. Yes, I just pointed one thing out to you. One is general, the other one is... Come on, Mom. We're going to come here and do a program. Okay, go ahead. Your mom will cook a good shift for us to job for this program. Go ahead, go ahead Ogoegua. Now, the next one is based. You see, not voting at an election, not participating at an election, is also a statement. It's also an action. It's an electoral action. There is participation and non-participation. For example, if you have anything less than maybe 40% participation at an election, then you know that it is not totally participatory. The generality of the public or the generality of the voting public do not necessarily mandate or endorse that government, even if they have won the elections. If the number of people, the number of the voting citizenry are less in proportion than ought to be. So there is a standard by which you can say that, okay, 35% of the voting population don't vote. I mean, I have voted only 35% of the voting population voted. Then you have 65% who have also made a statement. And that statement at times is what you call the silent majority. You understand what I'm saying? In fact that Lagos state, they had what you would call some sort of slight victory for the party in power in Lagos. And you had a majority of the people that did not vote. It tells you one thing. That not voting is negative. It's a negative vote. But then the APC wasn't just the only party that vied for that election. And let's not forget, let's not even play this down in any way. Local government elections, whether we like it or not, are the most important elections in any populace. It's the most important because that's the closest government to the people, even though these days in Nigeria, local government elections are sham. But it's very important and to totally jettison the idea that it cannot be a litmus test, I have a problem with that. But again, let's refer to the 2019 election. Hold on, I'm coming. Let me just drop this point. Let's go back to 2019. We can't really quickly forget 2019 because it's just a few years ago. The number of people who showed up to the polling units was not up to a hundred percent or if 70 percent of the people who registered for that same election. So we're still talking about the issue of voter apathy. I think it was less than 60 percent. Exactly, exactly my point. So if in 2019 we had that low turnout for general elections and then just using Lagos here as a test for local elections and we saw almost empty polling units with sometimes one voter. Of course, this stays a lot. We had the white people, we had so many other parties there so we can't really say because the APC people didn't show up so it's a bad light for the APC. The PDP members also were fine for those offices. I didn't say it was a bad light for the APC. I said it was a bad thing for the political system, for the system itself. It means that people no longer believe that the system will throw up the leaders that they vote for. It means that they no longer believe in the electoral system. People believe that their votes won't count no matter who they vote for. You remember what happened in Lagos during the last elections. We saw that very clearly. There was a lot of violence and everything and a whole lot of people felt that their votes just won't count no matter what it is. And it happens in state elections at the local government election. I know that you said that local government elections are the most crucial. They ought to be, they ought to be, but they are not. They are not the most crucial. Because local government elections are just what you would call Jarrah, you know, for whoever it is that wins the stage. Local governments are just Jarrah. You would take every single local government that you wish. So you just simply write the names of the local government chairmen and the councillors and you've got them all. Now, but the thing is this. So you're saying that... You're telling me that one of Monosike's election was a sham. I mean that the parties in power just decide who would win. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, they do it all the time. Anybody who says it's not true is to come and argue it anywhere. Monosike, Monosike, do you care to respond? Because this puts your local government election and your winning in the local government area to question. No, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. I am waiting. I am waiting for my opportunity to respond. When that opportunity come, I will respond. Yes, I don't know the particulars. And I believe that, you know... I'm waiting. Yeah, I don't know the particulars, but from what you have described and from what you have spoken, as you have spoken, you are pretty articulate and you probably know your people very well. So I will not say 100%, 100% that the elections, local government elections are a sham. I won't say so. I participated in them myself. So I won't say 100% that they are, but I can tell you that majority and, you know, majority. So let's say 90%. But going for that, what I want to point out is that what you call apathy is not necessarily apathy. It could be a negative way to call negative energy, a resentment that has some sort of energy. Because when people refuse to vote, when people stop voting, then they are preparing for revolution. When they stop voting, when they stop believing in the electoral system, when they stop believing in power by the ballot box, then they are preparing for power by any means necessary. Okay. So when you say apathy, apathy is a wrong word to describe the mood of Nigerian. I don't think that they are apathetic. I think that you are seeing Nigerians becoming more aggressive and beginning to become, beginning to think that, look, okay, look, if government cannot protect us, if they cannot provide for us, we better think about this thing ourselves, whether it is at local government level, state level, or regional level, you know, thereabouts. Okay. So Mr. Oseke, don't take it, don't get it wrong. Oh, come on. Let the man speak. Let the man speak. Mr. Samoan Oseke, your elections have been called to question. Are local governments elections across Nigeria sham? And this is not the first time that people have questioned local government elections. There are state governors who have for a long time decided not to have local government elections, and they have stayed that way. But you are a two-time local government chairman for a query. And I want to know... But first of all... Yeah, go ahead. First of all, to my brother, who is on the other side of this program, I have no... I hold no issue against him. He's entitled to his opinion. That's why he's a living being. In river states, we practice clear-cut democracy. And I know, even you as the reporter, you followed our local government election process. You even interviewed me in this station as regards the local government election. Now, I want to say clearly that in river states, we participate based on the wishes of the people. And if you're not popular in river states, you win the election. If the people don't believe that you have the capacity to provide an evidence of democracy, the one vote for you. If you understand the way the people of river states think politically, we know that there are people who believe in practical activities. They don't believe in wishful promises or storytelling. Now, I have been given the opportunity this is the second time I'm elected local government chairman in my local government. And the records are there to show for itself that I have delivered the evidence of democracy to the people of river local government in all spheres. Quality in agriculture, quality in education, quality in security, quality in works infrastructure. Now, projects littered on the 13 political works in my local government have rebuilt the local government headquarters to the FV of all and building an international wish market in conjunction with NGDC. I am building projects in all the political works in rural local government and I'm making sure that the people of rural local government have the full taste of democracy. Okay, I have a question. Now, talking about legal state, hold on before you ask a question. Talking about the election in legal state and the message the people of legal state have sent to the government of legal state which you know in the APC-led administration. What you have seen if you go and just approach the online administration going on today, you will know that the people of legal state have just told the legal state government, AP government that wait for us in 2023. We are not interested in this local government process. We are interested in 2023. That is why we are registering and in legalists we will show you that the current APC cannot hold legal state in 2023. That is what that message is telling. So you're pointing fingers to the APC who's you know at the hem of affairs when it comes to the state level. Of course the governor is an APC member and so you're saying that by virtue you know the party runs the state but I want to ask you a direct question. I hope you can answer. If the PDP was not in power in river state, if Governor Nesongwike was not your principal in river state, would you be a local government chairman? Do you think you would stand a chance to win that position as local government chairman? Do you think that all those people because I know that the river state, every single person who occupies the local government office right now is a member of the People's Democratic Party. Let me just answer you. Let me answer you. The people of the government decides who will govern them. In fact, even in this People's Democratic Party that I belong to, the greatest opposition I've faced were my party members. They were the actual people who gave me their opposition in my place to come back as chairman of council. I am saying if it was the APC that was leading your state, do you think that they would let a PDP person win in any local government election? The point they're making is that if it's the APC that leads the river state, hold on. If it's the APC that leads the river state and APC conducts a credible election at the nuclear government level, one of the tickets someone will win. So why have APC members not won in any local government area in river state? Or any other political party? He doesn't even have to be the APC. Hold on. APC didn't contest the election. You know. So let's talk about that. The APC was scared of losing the elections. What about the other political parties? The point we are making is that you don't just sit down in the comfort of your bedroom and say, to this election, you got principles and say you want to come and run the election. There must be track records. We have a leader that leads the parties to transform the river state and transform the river state to the construction site. Let's suppose there's a weekend to show the river state leadership. And everybody in the river state is talking about this party. And so that is an advantage of this vote. But the election weekend is not running for local government. Nobody is voting for the election weekend to work at the local government level. Okay. Hold on. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. APC has a party to run in the election. The problem why people are afraid of running the election under APC today is because the government has said that who made so much promises has failed. The reason... What the point I'm trying to make to you is that the river state is going to weekend somewhere at the leader of the party. And that's why 3B is the shining light. So the major point we have in the political party at the local government level in the river state is that it's an inter-party issue. I'm sorry. Just hold on. Go ahead. Can you minimize the sounds coming from your end so we can hear other guests? Thank you. I'm sorry. Go ahead. The point I'm making is that because the leader of the party has learned the party right, the party has not been placed in a position of interest. Everybody is interested in the political party. That party will follow them at the local government level. They will do more at the local government level. I know in our first time in office a lot of my colleagues worked so hard to also grow the party at the local government level. I worked so hard to grow the party at the local government level. I didn't go to the local government level and become a liability or become a disgrace to my party. I went there and I showed them I think we lost the connection there. That's the point I'm making. No, the point I'm making is that it's a boy who has provided that. Please need a leadership. If the Mohammed Bahrain had succeeded APC would have been flying high in Nigeria. But today in the three points in which he campaigned and kept off it, he felt woefully in all the trend. People have been looking at everything. That's why they are trying to look for corners to be able to hold on to power. But let me tell you, like my colleague have said, the people of Nigeria will shock them. How many are they? There are less than how many people. Don't worry. They will learn from the loss of Jonathan. Alright, we'll take a quick break and when we come back we're still talking about the crisis in the PDP and how the PDP plans to claw itself out of this whole take a short break and we'll be right back.