 Welcome once again, the road to government house in Oka and Ambrastate is starting on a thorny note. The four major political parties are done with their governorship primaries, but their internal disputes in all but one. The rule in all Progressive Congress, of course, Abga, has Chukumar Soludo as a candidate, but a section of the party say he has been suspended. Two candidates were elected by two factions of the People's Democratic Party PDP and most of the aspirants who ran on the All Progressive Congress say there was no primary, even as the party announced Andy Uba as its candidate. Only the young people's party, where Senator Ifain Uba won, unopposed, is free of contention. We are joined this morning by a former politics reporter who is now a lecturer of mass communication at the Namdee Ezekue University, Oka, Dr. Odogo Odogo. Good morning. Thanks for joining us this morning, sir. Good morning. Good morning. All right. I want to start with, yes, thanks for joining us. I want to start with, you know, your views on the crisis, the ups and downs with regards to governorship primaries. It seems to have affected every party except the YPP. The PDP has two candidates. The APC has the internal crisis and of course the Abga has down internal crisis. What would you describe as, you know, what's going on in the Anambra state? Well, because of the call communication, I don't know if I heard you well, but I think you are talking about the crisis in the party primaries. Yes. If that is what you are talking about, and I tell you, there's no primary election in Nigeria, so no matter how manipulated it is with that crisis, this month, this morning, the all-progressive dendralions issued a statement asking the Putin-Democratic Party and the all-progressive Congress to cancel their primaries. But we should know that even that apogada that is calling for consideration of other primaries, that they are all primaries, again, by even people contesting in that. So there is no free and fair primaries as far as Nigeria and regions of Anambra state is concerned. But to them, the political party members, that is, there was a free and fair primaries. So it's neither here nor there, depending on who is dealing with those who the primaries are involved, think it was free and fair. Those who are not involved think it was not free and fair. Okay. So it's different for different people. So, Mr O'Doggo, what's your reaction to Chris Singigay when he said that elections are not held in the APC and that it should be cancelled? And remember that Anduba won over 1,000,000 votes in the APC. The point here is who announced the results of Anduba winning the election? The statutory body that meant to survive the election, the governor of Nigeria announced it. So who is that person saying that there was no primary election? And as I said earlier, in Africa primary elections, those people who are as far as kicked against the process in PDP, some people kicked against the process and even conducted their own primaries, that led to two amagants of candidates. So the evidence is one of the most different. Okay, now I want to still talk about the APC primaries. It says the delegates, you know, about 350,000 delegates voted. Of course, Anduba became elected as its candidate. But if you remember in 2017, the governor of the state, William Biano, won the election with about 234,000 votes. So is there any controversy? Anything weird about seeing how the APC delegates alone with up to 350,000 when the whole of the governorship election in 2017 was won with 230,000? You know, in the governorship election, it's a framework game. So many things come into play. So many people are afraid of it, they think something has to do with it. Because of that, there are so many people that it's enfranchised. And due to the high net regulation of voting time and hour, time of coming, for them of exception, and time of voting. But this party primary is opening. There was no time of this, time of this. Because as I said here, that's it, you know, at some areas where that's trending on social media. So what I'm trying to say is this. Parties in different ways, OK, let me just say that this is their own direction, in all the ways, did their collection of who their candidate is going to be. And therefore, if the APC, as a party, had over 500,000 members, why should that be a problem? The problem would have been, if they don't have up to 500,000 members in Anambara. But if they claim to have more than that in Anambara, and the people that gave victory to whoever that you claim to be candidate is 350,000. What the business about that? There's no control party. Because party primary is a different thing from members of the political party. And they're not afraid of anybody disembarking them or anybody humiliating them, or gagging them, or shooting them. But in that last government's election, remember, IPOB, Anambara, people should not come out and vote. People are already afraid. There was so much policing. People were afraid. So many people didn't come out to vote. So those few people who came out to vote, there's three to whoever, that was the election once there was a spread. Mr. Odogu. I want us to take a look at the two brothers in this governorship race now, the UBAS, going head to head in these elections and talking about Anduba and Uwuchukuba. I want us to analyze each of them on their political acumen. And basically, I don't know how you see it. So would you say politics has really divided their relationship? Sorry, the last thing you said. Can you hear me, Mr. Odogu? Yes, I'm hearing you now. I'm asking you to help us analyze the political acumen of the two brothers who are going head to head in the governorship elections. OK, OK, OK, OK. You know, the UBAS is a blessing and it's a cost. So some people is a blessing. Some people is a cost. But that's not our business. It's their business. There are three brothers through political mulberry. And Chris Uwuba, who is known as a Godfather, in Nambara politics, and is in support of his brother, Senator Uwuchukuba, and he created him in infactional PDP. Now, Anduba, Senator Anduba is the candidate of the APC. If Andi can twist the hands of Senator Chris in the game, George Moragalo, and all those other people, to cling to the ticket of the APC, with the announcement of the APC National Working Committee, and the announcement of the president of the committee that came to survive with Senator Uwuchukuba. What do you think? Chris Uwuba was able to manipulate a section of his party, and their next brother, Uwuchukuba is a very complex name. He's not a political mother. He's a New York fighter in politics, even though whatever he has gained from his brother, you can compare Andi and Uwuchukuba. Andi is a political judge. Andi has contact and connection. Andi has food matters. Even though he should blame for one thing or the other. But that is their own headache. As far as politics is concerned, people have talked about their selfish interest. And that selfish interest with their co-host can take them to anywhere, to the certain of the masses. We are not interested in what unembracing people will be saying in next few months to come. But as we stand today, there's no question. Andi is formidable in that motherish family, because Chris is still contending with the PDP faction. To go to Uwuba that is handed over to Uwuchukuba, we feel a subject of controversy between him and Val of Uwubo, who ammage in the other faxional PDP gubapramare. But Andi, single-handedly, beat many aspirants. Political giants like Mr. Chris in the game. In fact, it is the same that Mr. Chris in the game is complaining. Complaining about what Andi. What Andi allows deep to him. When he has been instrumental since 2003 or before, in all the political brouhaha, in MPP, PDP, whatever they call it, I could remember when God we need demo. Me had a bitch in hand down in an election primary. And he manipulated it. God we need demo. Shattered the demo and read. Nobody let me to him. And he took it. OK, so Mr. Odugo, I need to ask you concerning just how much influence you mentioned that Andi Uwuba has in Ambras state. And we know that Abga is ruling party there. So when you look at the ruling party, Abga and Andu buys political connections. What do you think it's going to be regarding Soludo and Andi? If it becomes a two horse race between both of them. In politics, there are many change and force. Andi is of the ruling party at the national level. Really, and national level wants to take over and ambrada all means. Now, Abga is the ruling party in this state. And Odea now is always dancing to the tune of the federal government for the ruling party at the national level. So if given under free and fair election, neither Abga nor APC will take it. I don't know the party that will take it. But if it's not under free and fair, how can you compare the federal might with the state might when the governor is always in support of the whatever national is doing and has supported them all too? So what are we looking at? It's clear that the connection he has to be able to twist your hands and take the ticket is able to give him the government of an ambrada state. But under free and fair, there are laws that will solve the problem of soludo and nuba and whoever that is coming up from any other party. It will be a big challenge because these are people that ambrada people love and cherish. No matter from the prison you are viewing them, they are loved by some sections of the society. They are hated by some sections of the society, especially when religious molecules are to play. I think we are about to wrap up. So I just wanted to ask what the mood of the ambrada people is like. The Uba dynasty, like you've mentioned, has been in the ambrada politics for many, many, many years. Do you think the ambrada people are maybe looking for a change and chukumas soludo might be just a breath of fresh air? Does it sound that way around the ambrada electorate? It's not what the people wish that normally happened in politics. If wishes are helped, beggars might rise. We may wish whatever we want. For the politicians, we do whatever they want, we wish. And because we have heard it, look at him or say, what's happening there? Is there what the people wanted? So tell me, there's no need here or there. What we are saying is this, if the system, if the establishment should do their job, things will be better, and politics will be done better. Because if I make, those things will be fine. Because do the other establishment responsible for election matter in Nigeria do their job and the situation will go well. But when a situation, when under three and three elections, everyone knows who will win the election. And if we like, somebody will announce. And because we oppose it, even oppose someone that needs to be portrayed or will be stopped in an election. OK, Mr. Odugo, last question from me. Do you think the Southeast crisis is likely to affect the conduct of the polls in November this year? Sorry? Do you think the Southeast agitations right now is likely to cause any security concern for the elections in November? If the Southeast... The agitations of iPob, all the agitations in the Southeast, do you think that's likely to affect security, you know, voter apathy for the election? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You see the problem of iPob, the problem of federal government. If the federal government didn't go to arrest the young man, all these things wouldn't have happened. They gave him strength, they gave him power, they gave him the morale. And you know, when they see somebody that can brave up, they follow him. That's just that. If they didn't give power, that's not the kind of thing they have for him. He wouldn't have been a champion, they made him to be. So now, the equally-prescribed IPOVs, making them to look as warriors, making them to look as good dogs, which they are not. If they had ignored them and used some diplomatic measures, these things wouldn't have happened. And when they come back to the spectrum, IPOV is not a problem in the elections in South East, or in the security of South East. But the way the police and military are going about it, they're going to do them. Mr. Odogu, I asked you this question because we know how basically the South East was shut down a few weeks ago because of an IPOV seat-at-home order. So if in the eventrality that we have an announcement or a pronouncement of a seat-at-home order on election day, so isn't that likely to affect turnout? This seat-at-home is on another level. They do it every day. But you earlier mentioned, Mr. Odogu, you earlier mentioned the reason... When they had power to change the government because somebody like me was in IPOV and I have to advise them what they should have done, so they didn't have to vote massively and then throw whoever they want to be, their governor or whoever they want to be anything. No, they don't have voter card. How can they be stopped by election? And if November election has nothing to do with IPOV... Yeah, but you had earlier mentioned that the reason... Whatever, whatever. You had earlier mentioned the reason Willio Biano... Oh, Mr. Odogu, you mentioned earlier the reason Willio Biano scored, you know, or the voting numbers in 2017 were so low was mostly because of the agitations and the IPOV and some of all of that. The voter apathy, yes. So why is that different now? Why is your views different now concerning this election? I said to me, they are not election. That was what I said. They had chances of controlling the government they want. That's why if they had said every woman do a register or every IPOV member because they have the movement in thousands, they would have gone and registered security votes and thrown whoever they want to be the governor of November 3rd. But they didn't do that. There are other... I think you got my question. Now, people have seen that their threat didn't take effect on that election. So they are going to come out now and vote. But the problem now is not actually coming out to vote. But Willio Biano's count. All right. Okay, Mr. Odogu, what do you... You know, when you look at the conduct of the primaries this weekend, you know, it seems that only the YPP candidates, Yifan Yuba, has been in the clear. Other parties are still, you know, seem to be dealing with what internal crisis or the other APC, PDP and ABGA. So what do you think might be the defining moments for these political parties? Do you foresee, you know, them scrapping these primaries results, redoing another primary? Do you foresee, you know, court cases coming up here because, you know, people have, you know, threatened to take this whole issue to court concerning Soludo, saying basically that Willio Biano is forcing him, is forcing Soludo on ABGA. So what do you think might be the defining moments regarding the primaries in Anambra states? What do I think today? What do you think might be the defining moments in the primaries in Anambra? There's nothing like that because the problem has been no free and fair election. If the elections were free and fair, I would like to tell you the defining factors because we know them. But in this situation, there's no defining moment. Let me give you an example. You mentioned the defining of that. You find about one in a party unknown. And it's not because he has the power, he has the muscle, he has everything going for him at that period. It would have been impossible because that election was nearly exact. I'm a witness, I was a witness. I didn't participate actively. It was nearly, but the court in Farni had that territory, the area where the election was not that well-intended. As in some day, he was able to secure it. And luckily for him, because of where it is for him. But this time around, you can't say to me, I'm too early to understand the gimmick because yes, UDP has no candidate as far as I'm concerned now. I'm not here to candidate. All right, thank you very much for joining us this morning. Of course, so we hope that we can connect with you again before the elections start proper. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right, so yes. A couple of things just didn't, you know, well, I think that's why I kept pushing for that question. A couple of things just in the ad up for me. If you look at the figures for the other parties, Abgai is the big party in our number of states today. I don't think they pulled up to 350,000 delegates. So how the APC was able to pull 350,000 delegates. I'm talking about how the election results was announced in some hotel. So it really... It just didn't add up. Yes, there's really lots that we need to, you know, find out really about the elections. You know, of course, there are people who have come out to say these elections should be counted in the APC, in the PDP. So let's just see how it unfolds in the next few days. If they'll be counting all those primaries, even the right data, the person of Anduba will want that to happen. See how we over 1 million won with over 230,000 votes. But we'll see. We will see. Let's take a break here and we'll return to discuss this pressing issue right now in the Niger Delta region of Nigeria, regarding the Niger Delta Avengers and their threats that begin to destroy all the facilities in the country to stay with us.