 Welcome once again to the Breakfast here on Plus TV Africa. Our next conversation is going to be with Mr. Maxula Dele, who is the Director of Publications for the Nigerian Indigenous Nationalities Alliance for Self-Determination, also called NINAS, who of course stated that the need for a one million man march, which was meant to be taking place on the 14th and 15th of September, to of course demand certain things from the Nigerian government and from the United Nations. Good morning to Mr. Dele. Thanks for joining us. Good morning. Can you hear us clearly, Mr. Dele? I can hear you very well. Thanks for joining us. All right, so let's start with, you know, once again going through what NINAS is demanding, you know, from the United Nations and the reason for the rally. Okay, if you remember very vividly, I was, yes, when we were to start the Opposite United Nations Accord in New York. You are all in Nigeria and you understand very well that the level of hunger, poverty, starvation, killings, genocide, and the tree from the south, is the fraud against us, took it upon itself, and that is happening in Nigeria, especially under the current administration. So we are marching for five reasons. One, the Nigerian government to acknowledge that there is a union discourse in Nigeria, which was raising the declaration of constitutional force in December 2020, the 1989 constitution of Nigeria to be decommissioned because it is a fraud. None of our fathers were aware when it was passing to law, it was military in post-constitution. So the constitution, the constitution that is using the weight of the southern and middle-backed people to feed a few people in the north should be decommissioned. The third one is that we, the indigenous people from the south and middle-backed, want in theory general election until we have a new constitutional arrangement. So if the constitution is decommissioned, I mean if we don't want another general election, I mean not to regard a general election, like that authority theory to be conducted under this fraudulent constitution, then the fourth one is that we want a transitional government that will now give back to the 550 man, which is the referendum. It is through the referendum that people will decide on their sovereignty on the nation. All right, Mr Adelaide. All right, Mr Adelaide. Yes, we're quite clear on the demands that Nina's has and what they've presented at the United Nations General Headquarters with that match. Now in a press statement released yesterday, Professor Banji Akintoy said that the Nigerian government has mobilized people to organize a pro-Buhari rally and that the government has allegedly paid $500 to each of these persons who are stating a counter-protest. We would like to ask you more questions about that, Mr Adelaide. What evidence does Nina's have that the presidency is paying people to stage a counter-protest and why do you think they're doing that? I'm saying what's the evidence that you have that $500 was paid to people for staging a counter-protest? I think that it should be only right and fair that you make a claim such as a claim as heavy as that and that you have the evidence to back it up. So we're journalists and we're sitting on the fence and we're asking you if you say that the federal government has paid $500 to people to stage a counter-protest. We're simply asking for proof and your evidence and that really sounds fair. Wouldn't you agree? Because we wouldn't want people to just make claims that they come back up. I don't want to see more than that. So what happened Mr Adelaide? That's the clarity I was expecting Mr Adelaide. Thank you. I mean why my colleague was asking for further proof and we're going to move away from this now. But I think why she was asking for further proof is because it could be also very easy for anybody to say on Nina's protest as we paid $100 per hour and nobody is going to know where that information came from. So that's why she was digging further for proof but let's move on from that. I want you to talk about what you hope you can achieve from this rally. Do you expect the United Nations General Assembly to tell the president while he's there to go back home and conduct a referendum or to go back home and make changes with the constitution? Those are not very likely to happen. So what then does Nina's hope to achieve from this rally? We will be deceiving ourselves if you think the United Nations General Assembly is to go with deceiving ourselves. The last referendum in the last independent country in Africa is South Sudan. We knew the role of the United Nations I can say very expressly that the United Nations to provide the referendum and give back to the independent, to the republic of South Sudan. So that is exactly what we are looking for in Nigeria. Let the transition domain to be put in place by the people, the constituents. We conduct a referendum under the supervision of the United Nations. That is what we are looking for. And the current president of Nigeria has been borrowing using our sovereignty and assets to borrow funds from one country to another. It means, so we are now appealing to this Western power, China, America. I give my answer and ammunition from foreign powers. And I appeal to these people, please prepare your present word to grant the wish of the people. Period. Okay. So since you started the match, has there been any action or statement from the federal government or from the United Nations that indicates that has been any progress so far based on your rally? Our messages are, you know, we have a feedback mechanism and a demand. And if you remember the post-president of the presidency, our senior colleague, Mr. Alagi Garubashio, previously this statement, trying to pay the protest in a bad light. So that's to tell you that the work in us is getting to the people we are sending the message to. And we hope very soon, and at least when we started this constitutional course, the federal government quickly brought up the Kwan-Garua Respet Opposition Amendment, which is dead on arrival. If I had of governance, even saying it is dead, I can agree a lot of those who said it's a waste of time. Have you? You've heard him very expressing, saying it's a waste of time. So that is to tell you that what in us is doing is even attention. But we will not allow any Kwan-Garua or any Kwan-Garua position on arrival. What we want is to take over. We put that commissioning of the current position. All right. Maxwell Adelaia, thank you very much for joining us this morning. We look forward to speaking with you again as the rally, I believe, continues. And if there's any further developments, please be eager to share with us. Thanks a lot. Thank you. All right, you play hard. All right. From Nina's and a rally and of course also from the new political parties, we're going to move away from politics now and talk sports. We're celebrating the Tigris as of course they have qualified for the semi-finals and of course the next stage of the Afro Basket Tournament. And that's our next conversation. We're going to be having a sports analyst join us to show his views with us. And while the Tigris seems to be progressing compared to the male basketball team, that comes up next.