 This is the SF Productions podcast network Let me see. There's a tape on the end here. Let me hook this up here and let me see what we got. With us to the 60s and 70s, the dwelling place of the lost generation. An era whose heroes, role models, and very lives were molded and formed by weekly installments of favorite television programs. Welcome to the place your parents didn't understand. Welcome to the vast wasteland. Welcome home. The vast wasteland. I'm your host Mark Schminbar along with Woodward Neal and Marty Wiley, and we're here to talk about 60s and 70s television. But before we get into the big extravaganza tonight, I just want to tell you we're on Tuesdays at 6, Wednesdays at 10, and Thursdays at 3 p.m. here on ACTV cable 21. Also, if you want to write into us, and boy, the mailbag has just been burst in full, it's box 15, 14, 11 Columbus, Ohio, 43215. Well, tonight on vast wasteland, we topic that may last the whole show and then again may not. We're going to talk about filmation. Yeah, everyone remembers the old filmation show. No, no, no, no, no, no. Filmation, the production company, Perry's younger brother. Yeah, exactly. Didn't we say that last time? People really laughed at it then, too. A lot of my would tell him that pun. So, the only one we've got. Gotta make it last. So anyways, filmation, the production company, kind of like the poor man's Hannah Barbera. Okay, who are they looking at it? The guys that kind of write, as far as I remember, these are like the first guys that started the concept of pastel color as background. And I can't even remember, it's like, let's draw one picture if it's really, really, really good. We'll use it over and over. Like we thought, did they use computers? Oh, I'm sure they do now. Well, later when Fundar came along, it was a lot of, we drew one picture, it was really good. We fed it to a computer, and any time we need him running, we push a button. Something like that, because you saw, we did a good picture, and it was really, really good. We're proud of this. Look, mama, picture. Well, let's see, let's start off with some early, let's see, where did filmation start? I don't even know. Well, somebody got a pencil and drew a picture, it was really, really good. Either they got kicked out of someplace else, or they just decided to be innovative and do it themselves, and say, we can do that too. And by golly, then you had your filmation. We can do that. Of course, we never were any place to get kicked out of, so maybe school or something. Well, we didn't. Ha, we went. We even graduated, mostly. That's right. Well, certainly the major thing that filmation is known for has to be the Archies. That's true, that's true. But let me run before that a little bit, because they did have a, they had a Zorro cartoon, but I'm almost sure it was before the Archie thing. It might not have been, it might not have been, but there was a Zorro, there was a Three Musketeers, there was a Lone Ranger. The Lone Ranger one was neat, because it was- I remember Three Musketeers, but I remember being a, what's their name? Shoot, Sid and Marty Croft kind of thing. It was on Banana Splits and stuff. Well, it wasn't the Bears. No, no, no, I mean, I remember Three Musketeers cartoon. It was all rotoscoped. That's kind of the big thing, and I remember all filmation. That filmation? I know I did that with filmation. I'm pretty sure it is. But hey, my sources didn't come through. Nobody had this great book that was supposed to be out in March. This book was supposed to be out in March. And he works at a library. I called people, I called places. You heard of this book? No. We have no reference of this book. No record of it at all. I'm sorry. What was that book again? Filmation? You have an author for that? If you give us an author or maybe a publisher, we can help you with it. Just a title. Oh, I'm sorry. We're lost. I don't remember the Three Musketeers cartoon. I watch Banana Splits for the music. That's the Three Musketeers cartoon. That's where I got the hold of who each of the characters were. Okay. Porthos, Aethos, Aramis, and D'Artagnan. Now those Archies. Hey, bubblegum music for everybody under nine? Yeah, pretty much. Because once you hit ten, you can recognize real people, I guess. Things that I remember about the Archies, really, one thing that always stood out in my mind is Reggie's laugh. Ho, ho! I think that went on to become the Joker's laugh when they did the Batman thing there later. The voice was Dallas McKinnon, who also did the voice for Archie. Oh, there we are. Actually, let's see. Five people listed here and only three actual actors. Because Jane Webb, who is seen all through all the filmation stuff, played both Betty and Veronica. Dallas is sweet. But Veronica had that southern accent. Archie Kinn! Do this or that or that. There you go. Who was the band? Who was the band? That's the big question. Who was the band? Who was the Archie? The biggest mystery of my childhood. Who was the band? Archie played guitar, right? I seem to remember. Who was the band? Or who was the real? Who was the band? Who was the voice? They've never come out and said it's a big secret. In some studio. Probably some studio musicians that never got any money from it. We'll probably find out later. It was like old Fleetwood backers. Night rangers or somebody, you know. Sugar, sugar. They actually had, like, hips. Like you could go to the roller rink and request them to play Bang Shang Lang. So you could skate around the rink to your favorite song. Bang, bang, Shang Lang. Bang, bang, Shang Lang. Bang, bang, bang, Shang Lang Lang. At the end. And sugar? And it was also a thing about when they were singing to, Archie and Reggie's heads would do a lot of this. Come into each other and go back out. Well, I have the same. So it's an early music video. Keeping that deep. You can see the Madonna influence. She was influenced by the Archies. So those early music videos. The early low shot of Archie and Jughead. Did Jughead play the drums? There you go. Archie's here, Betty's here, Veronica's here, Reggie's here. Hey Jughead, where are you? Betty and Veronica both played. Archie's without the Jughead beat. One of them was on the keyboard. Okay, there you go. They usually played the keyboards, I believe. Who could ask Veronica to work? That's right. So Veronica just played tambourine. She banged it on her hip. We ain't the Archies without the Jughead beat. A move that was highly copied by Josie and the Pussycat. Oh, that's true, because they just sprang right up after them. That's right. Josie and the Pussycat. Copycat band. Who'd have thought? Of course they went and expanded the Archies. Whose cousin was Sabrina? Nobody's cousin. She just kind of moved in. She was just the teenage witch that just moved in. And I always like the thing too, when they're doing the music, you've got the big musical notes in the background. Here's Hot Dog dancing around. Later copied by Pebbles and BamBam. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. All these copycats. I'll bet that was probably the same band. Cover band. I think Pebbles and BamBam were a cover band for the Archies. They were after the Archies. Well, they were like the backup. They were the foundation groupers, I mean. They never had any hits. Well, that's true. They never had any hits. The Archies, I can remember real clear, and post-serials brought that music to you. Oh yeah. On the back of the cereal? Yeah. Tape a quarter to the record, put it down on the record player. Tape a half dollar to your phonograph needle that you can wear it out and play the record. I actually had one. What's the other song? I'll just remember those two real well. Okay. Sugar, sugar. Bang, shang, lang. Who knows? I know I didn't have you one of those on my day. It was always like the flip side of something. That's what you got on the bag. What did you end up with? One of the old Jackson 5 ones that they had leftover. I want to find out who that band was though. I think it's just someone who's ultra mega rich. You know, somebody will come forward some years from now. They'll be like, oh, David Lee Roth. And then Madonna. No, she was our age. Well, she still could have, that darn Pamela Fertin's been on there ever since. Dave though. Dave Lee Roth as Archie. Well, I'm going to make your life so sweet. And that was the beginning of having another band, which was really one of my favorites. Oh, the Groovy Goolies. Now they had, not only did they have a group, but they had a song that was actually on the radio. Well, it was actually done on the radio by Daddy Dewdrop, but I can't even think of the name of the song. Well, this is really going, because the song has nothing to do with the title. I mean, but the title has nothing really to do with the song. And it's really- Oh, that's uncommon. Well, not anymore, but back then it was like. You know, see, they had Super Gool, which I really liked. Do you remember Frankie? It is Super Gool. Of course, let's see, there was Frankie, the Frankenstein guy, the weirder, wolfy, the wolfy man guy, and Drac. That was pretty much it. He was like the vampire guy. There was a mummy in there, too, somewhere. A mummy guy. Just your basic monster creature guy. But I remember the Super Gool song real well. Oh, the song was Chick-a-Boom. Chick-a-Boom, okay. And a weirdo-wolfy song. I remember those. Frightening Frankie, dangerous dragon, weirdo-wolfy. They said it in a real funny weirdo-wolf way. Well, maybe it was the guy doing Jughead's way. It could have been, bro. The guy's doing hot dogs. Hot dogs and dogs. Exactly. Hot dogs are like one of the very few dogs. With cartoons that doesn't talk. It does not speak. Later on, I think maybe they had you could hear him think. I think I remember that. In Archie Funnies, they had the thing with a big balloon. The bubble would come over his head and you would hear him think. In Archie Funnies, they had, on that was, cartoons they took out of the newspaper. Brum Hilda. Dick Tracy made it, that's on back there. Dick Tracy, Captain and the Kids, Moon Mullins, Smokey Stover, Nancy and Sluggo, here come the dropouts Broom Hilda and Emmy Lou which are presented as the programs of a television station operated by the Archie gang you know there's a novel idea of course they've never grown any older so that's that or the perpetual dropouts in high school I don't know they just they just have to keep repeating I always often wondered now there's a question that I've often want how old were mr. Weatherby and Miss Grundy yeah how old were these people yeah coach cleats yeah who else they had a little little janitor guy when they're a little janitor guy or am I thinking of the Jetson's no I like there was a janitor guy that looked like Henry well there was a well there was Mr. Lodge and then there was the then there was a guy looking exactly like Mr. Lodge if I remember correctly except he had like a big fuzzy mustache and he was the janitor okay and pops pops it on the sweet shop well they had to have some place to go after school Michael home I get a job after we've got a pop so we can play our instrument right there's moose and moose and a midge and big apple well they look so much alike which is why Jughead wanted nothing in the world to do with her because Jughead he's he's not exactly your your prized person and and big apple look just like it's hot baby in that Pinocchio nose big apple just look just look just like him though that's the thing and she had them teeth that's the thing she had those teeth those big ethical teeth don't chase an after him he died run let's see there's another dog to chili dogs yeah hot dog and chili dog who had these characters well that's the thing after it was on for a season yeah this show went through so many different they just kept going well we'll just pull these things out again you know the same cartoons put a new title on it which is of course what the Flintstones we're also doing you know yeah we've never had a baby Archie oh yeah we did I think we did I am next to certain that we had a new Archie's well there's like it was like little kid Archie it wasn't baby there's a comic book yeah a little Archie's but I don't remember I seem to remember it I'm not exactly sure I think I'd quit watching really by then that was like mid-80s okay somewhere out there they said oh muppet babies are working let's baby everything everything at that point they had them oh yeah of course they did they had a baby and get this they had the Storks bring them yeah of course because we don't know where the heck Smurfs come from we know Smurf that was created by Gargamel right because there were no female Smurfs oh how come there's so many damn Smurfs in the end no girl where do these Smurfs come from and when the Stork brings a baby he brings a boy one and a girl one Smurf berries no wonder yes I'm a probably teenage birth control high crap you see Smurf that's the only woman you know she's got to be yeah that's another company that jokie Smurf well let's see what other why are we talking Smurfs anyway they're talking aren't you that darn Smurfs Smurf it that darn Pamela Fertin well what other wonderful gifts and filmation give us well we had the the 26 episodes of fantastic voyage which was a really neat the CMDF I like that show voice is anybody saying the story of Jonathan Kidd Hericka Stone Cosby Birdwell and the guru for people through yeah I know through the combined miniature defense force a secret U.S. government organization to reduce the microscopic size which if you've ever seen fantastic voice the movie you know that they had their ship next place is they battle the unseen unsuspecting enemies of the free world criminal and germinal matter and of course two different parts both Jonathan Kidd and Cosby Birdwell played by and the omnipresent gene web but yeah oh yeah many many people and Marvin Miller I never heard of before the guru the master of mysterious power I don't remember that character in the movie well he was he was well no they didn't have him in the movie in the movie who'd you have yet your Rock Hill Welch your Steven Boyd yeah whoever the other doctor is Rock Hill Welch is helping and then you've got your your baldheaded Donald Pleasant's evil character so let's see that but in the thing of the like the captain had a had a patch on there's like a young kid to wear glasses there there was a female blonde female and then the guru guy who has had a turban he's like the Haji character except he's growing okay and he's the master of mystic powers it was great he wore a Nehru jacket to a Nehru jacket in a like a red star Nehru jackets are a cool thing oh yeah they're happening they're together yeah you're trying to bring them back their boss well let's see we've got the big one fat Albert and the Cosby kid people and black people let's offend two people in one car these four four kids play in the junkyard all the time have absolutely everything in the world in that junkyard why did they go home I don't know no idea I remember it seems they wound up having a TV and everything in the junkyard oh yeah why don't they had because later in the series they had they watched some other cartoon watch the voices in that cartoon well let's see that Albert Bill Cosby much mouth Bill Cosby dummy dumb Donald Bill Cosby weird Harold Bill Cosby and Bill Cosby as himself didn't even do his little brother oh yeah Bill I'm sure he did not know Russell no well it says there says there are other hey they actually Allen Pepe Brown Erica Carol Jan Crawford Gerard Edwards and Lane the book nobody we ever heard nobody heard nobody will ever hear of the cartoon that went on forever one of those first cartoons I remember that you may learn something before it's done person yeah watching this part that's right don't watch other cartoon where you can just have fun yeah it was we want this cartoon where you know it's like we're going to present a little a little morality play doing this show for like his doctorate project thing or something yeah I think so something connected with him get on or I'm sure it was no would never do anything yeah yeah maybe like Sesame Street electric company yeah yeah I think it already created this basically my character basically took his nightclub act and the stories he used to tell in his in his on the tapes and stuff of the fat Albert walking across the first one I remember a fat Albert with the actual they did that one about crossing them 59th Street Bridge yeah and that cartoon was good mm-hmm and then when they came out with this show it's like you mean I'm like gonna preach that it's like the characters in the in the first one were they were like in cohesive they were just like watercolor characters kind of it was real neat and then they came up with this and they were like boom where they are boom there it is boom yeah in the background there everything was just there and it wasn't fun anymore which was like the old filmation things were the Robin Hood not Robin excuse me the Lone Ranger the the three musketeers the Zorro they just my favorite Tarzan created an entire language for Tarzan was a bit later because they had learned a few things like we can base the way that we're drawing these characters on actual people which is what I think they did with Tarzan and then I think they well yeah because they they were early users of computers yeah there were some things that Tarzan would do like he would land somewhere and then he'd take off yeah it always looks the same swing summer salt catch the other one I like Tarzan now and when he would land it was cool because I thought the way they did that the way they drew that they could have easily easily done Bruce Lee kind of cartoon but they probably ran into a lot of problems and the idea well we got to mention before we get out of here because believe it or not we're running close to the end of the hour wow amazing first off is the Star Trek animated series was done by filmation this is true talked about that before we just wanted to mention them and but the one I really wanted to talk about was the big the Superman Aquaman Adventure Hour back in the 60s yeah I was filming that was early filmation the thing I loved about this show was the the first use of a guitar chord you know Saturday morning you know it was always Lois and Jimmy are in trouble you're right and they would they would they did something that they would do on the on the Batman the live-action thing to where they would wear in the Batman they would flip around the bat right this one they would just have like a splash of different and it would go room room like that across there when you had to wait later did they later did these these connective things when you look into the 80s filmation stuff like he man he man every scene is like this sword or whatever they're doing and it's like and it's on to the next week no need to don't need to animate transitions let's just let's just slap this thing in here let's put in castle grace go boom let's put in the sword let's put in the shield we can like blame that on filmation filmation yeah that was a lot of tours helmet all the same yeah the reason that we did all this was just as good there are aliens although you may never in your world there are no aliens but here we got to get out of here so next time it's medical shows next time lawson jimmy are in trouble