 that something else that's the that's the we're live music just well not that it's overly formal to see new everything you say from here on out about grabbing meat or other way be on the live stream if you're like me you don't answer the phone with Tom without asking are you live it was so funny I called Darren earlier and he's like are we on the air? so I'm like no, that was just my phone hey everybody out there watching we know we got a few of you looks like we've got seven of you so far this is the quarterly DTS analysts hangout we make sure the analysts know about it and can ask questions to us for this hangout we let all of the early warning patron access members find out about it about a half hour before the show through Patreon so if you're ever like hey I missed out on that you got to keep an eye on the patron emails and then everybody can watch it afterwards on demand it's it's available worldwide whether you back us or not but it's just our chance to kind of get together and talk about what's been going on with the show what the plans are for the show answer some questions from folks so we're real lucky packed house this time I had to travel to Salt Lake City in order to get this Scott Johnson is here still kicked out of the studio from earlier in the day how's going Scott I'm good thank you for having me back again in the room that's just adjacent to where you are yes thank you for allowing me to squat in your place one last time Roger Chiang is here as well returning from earlier today are you rested from the show Roger yeah I see that the view that you don't have Ellie with you know my wife senior advisor Jenny Josephson is here well I would say leaving a pie party to join us wait you were to pie party it was actually Australian pies from a place called the bronze oh yeah I heard about that I thought about going to it think about the thing about savory pies you can't eat a lot of them you know nothing about pies I know a lot about pies but I know a lot of how much my body will consume you can't eat a lot I think that is correct I I cannot speak for anyone else's the other pie capacity yeah I pass it yeah we isn't that in photoshop I have to adjust the slider yeah right speaking of Australia fresh back from Australia Darren kitchen here so we will be having you back on the show next Friday I guess we could have had you on today it sounds like it was that but then it was also when you guys went live it was like four in the morning for me or something so I don't know how's your internal clock is it anywhere near normal yet confused yeah I'm on day two but I am I woke up at a somewhat normal time today only five in the morning so that's good yeah I mean hey coffee was open so I was up at coffee o'clock you need coffee open at five in the morning that should be their boom business although not enough people should be up and I really enjoyed your snaps from Australia that was really fun to watch thanks man I really wish I could have gotten more from some of the like template goodness that I ended up at inadvertently and oddly but yeah now I'm I'm finally understanding Snapchat and I kind of wish it existed for I don't know like the last ten years because so much lower impact of the weight of log yeah it was my routine is usually like an hour and a half two hours before the show I'll take the dogs outside take a break kind of clear my mind and I'll just look at Snapchat and especially when you're at the temple is like ah this is nice yeah break that's good stuff so cool big plans coming up with the Daily Tech news show this coming Friday a week from today we will be doing the show from San Francisco at the hack five warehouse thank you Darren it's gonna be Darren Shannon myself I think Len's gonna be able to join us over the hangout as well that's gonna be fun yeah it's gonna be good stuff and I mean you know we let guests come to the warehouse I don't know how big of a thing you want to do but not to put you on the spot or anything but no I mean it's your awareness I yeah so I don't know if you can figure out how to get a touch up there and then you may show up I don't know that's true we're not going to be doing a big event we're not gonna have catering or anything like that oh okay I'll cancel the catering yeah we're never mind maybe well but yeah so Justin Robert Young and Veronica Belmont are on the hook to try to drop by as well and be part of the festivities but I've been meaning to do this for a long long time so I'm really excited about getting up to San Francisco where three different co-hosts live there there are more co-hosts right now well if you can't Roger there are more co-hosts and producers in San Francisco than there are in any other city in the United States wow that's like San Francisco in general man yeah but Jenny and I are gonna steal Roger eventually we're gonna even these odds out so that's coming up and mostly I say that because it should be a fun show to watch because we'll be doing it from from the warehouse that'll be a blast also many of you accidentally found out about the daily tech headline show earlier this week when I accidentally uploaded one of the test episodes into the main DTS feed and then went to the vet where it was very difficult to change I have to say here here is one of my great examples of why mobile shouldn't override how you use things and how it's now you still need a laptop I could not get the edit button on SoundCloud on mobile so there is no way for me to change like Firefox and a browser agent hack on your phone yeah well I didn't go that far I didn't have that that much time I guess but like I in the in the app they didn't even give you an an option to edit something and when I went to Chrome and used request desktop site the edit button just didn't work so anyway the point of that wasn't really to complain about it was to announce that daily tech headlines is coming in July for real there will be a smattering of test episodes between now and then if you want to find them I just go to dailytechnewshow.com and look for them on the blog they will have their own audio feed once we get going and the whole idea with that is we will have the comprehensive like here's all the tech headlines we think you need to know for the day in daily tech headlines in ten minutes or less for the folks who and frankly the number two most common announcement on our patreon for not backing the show anymore is I didn't have time to listen to the show so this is for them or for people who are like I was on vacation I just want to catch up whatever you want to use it for that's what will be there quick and easy every day and then daily tech new show will still be here 30 to 40 minutes every day discussing and having conversations about the tech news for all of you guys so there's that any and do you guys have any thoughts on that or so like explain to me kind of the the short form concept of it how how long are you gunning for ten minutes or less alright you think you could get that to maybe seven seconds cause I feel like there's a there's a snapchat opportunity right but that's bad for it no I thought snapchat was ten yes now it's gone up to ten seconds ten seconds now so if ten minutes or less I could do one second for every minute in the audio podcast yeah yeah or you just speed it up you know will there be overlap of content between the two yes great question there will be because they are produced independently of each other but hopefully the presentation will make that different in other words the headline show will say doctor media filed for bankruptcy today this is how much they owe to whole kogan and ziff davis is announced they're interested in it and that's what you need to know whereas on daily tech news show will talk about like wow well this is really interesting and I guess I've been allowed to have you know the insurance back it up they wouldn't have to do this so you'll get a little more conversation some more in depth and there will definitely be stories in headlines that won't make it into DTS proper because we just have we always have fewer headlines on DTS and will this thing come out at a certain time of day yes you should ask is it going to be live no it's not going to be live it's going to be audio only to begin with at least and it will come out at a certain time of day every day for that and that's part of the thing is to make this work actually takes some some of the pressure off of me to be able to just write all the headlines in the morning record that show but having the flexibility of when I publish it makes that make it easier so expect it eastern time wise I would say anytime between noon and one p.m. so anytime between nine and eleven pacific time so it's tom's rehearsal hour I'm not rehearsing the discussions it is just quicker takes and more and and you know I had like fourteen headlines in the show today would never have fourteen headlines on DTS because we want to converse about them and it would just take too long but when all you're doing is like here here are the things you need to know and I tried to provide a little insight you know quick stuff as we go on Scott and I did it together today and then that actually worked really well I do intended to mostly always just be one host but I think it's most interesting here is that it's not live which means it has the opportunity to be produced in a totally different way and thinking about tom and tech news in the last ten years uh... one of the last time you you've done that hmm not live was I guess the real deal I mean buzz out loud started not live uh... really it was just recorded in the studio and then published it was live to tape though I guess yeah everything about always didn't want to take this is all you know I guess I guess that's kind of like you know I don't really make too much of a distinction because if it's it was like it was live with an audience it's still the same kind of stand-up energy oh yeah and this headlines is going to be live to take mmm oh okay I'm lazy there you go use tape though I'm just going to record a digital you know if you put the tape in audacity it actually authentic sound yeah yeah the c64 don't forget create con coming up in uh... the end of july july 30th uh... create convention dot net is that right wanna make sure uh... jenny and I will both be there doing let's talk about star wars and I will be doing an episode of daily tech news show from the lobby I imagine or something like that I'll be there too I'll be there for that one it'll be a two-fer yeah yeah exactly uh... not net yes that is correct saturday july 30th in Orlando so the friday before just remember young brine brushwood are going to be there willy does Gregory is going to be there jocelyn moffat cal Ferguson uh... it's going to be fun and not looking forward to hanging out with all you guys if you come into orlando july 30th what we're gonna do talk about star wars jenny I'm sorry what what are we going to do we're going to do something big it's got to be like bigger than the normal let's talk about star wars maybe they'll be some really juicy piece of rogue one gossip that we can just chew on uh... or maybe we can uh... go on a research trip to use the force awakens sort of stuff at disney land and report back and that's what to say is isn't disney world in orlando and if they did anything like the new land they might have us do they have the star wars thing going yet yeah like twenty-seven good disney world or we could finally get time into disney land after all this time tom's ever been to disney land you're in l.a. or either one what property that's actually know they didn't just tell in orlando once how many times have you been there uh... i don't know in the last year probably like four times yeah and disney world i hate to tell you another get off topic much better for adults and children too much for kids their minds are blown by like ten in the morning all the worst is like you know two p.m. happens and it's fallout o'clock and the just that all of the children just erupt in one cacophony of like we are we can't hang anymore if you go as an adult you can hang uh... depending on when you leave your house you could be there anywhere between thirty minutes and four and a half hours so you should know i've stayed many times in the by the anaheim convention center right around the corner from disney and i sense of mission yeah i was about to say uh... can i put in a normie plug yes please do okay so yeah uh... so just real quick uh... i've been doing this daily tech normie show i did one uh... last month and i want to do another one but here's what i'm missing i need a developer a web developer that i can talk to you about how normies should communicate with developers and how not to uh... so that's my quest i'm putting it out there i need someone who works in web development of any kind i have a couple other types of customer-facing it people ready to go but i need a dev to complete my next dt normie s so there it is out there the back of the technician dot com let us know uh... if you haven't checked out the last detain us normally show with rich straffolino and jenny i'd go find it back uh... was in april yeah it's like personally april ish this ish you can search normie on our site and probably bring it up uh... right anything else that were missing before i get to the questions uh... just that wednesdays are awesome everyone was wednesdays wednesdays and fridays obviously and wednesdays wednesdays are big deal for sure uh... to do the full on uh... a financial run through that i did uh... one of the times that we did this but just so you know like everything is break even for detain us uh... you go back to watch previous quarterly shows if you want to get back to the the breakdown of what gets spent where it's it hasn't really changed that much uh... but we are kind of stagnant on getting to the last third peter wells uh... day six so anything that you can think of folks to help push us towards the edge because we'd really we'd really like to get him to do that every week uh... and if if you like i don't really it doesn't really matter to me uh... that's okay keep going because after we get to the peter wells thing we're gonna try to do a monthly round table that's just open discussion so maybe that's uh... up your up your alley uh... and and we want to do more fun things like daily tech headlines in the normie show and things like that so in some ways just supporting us helps us to do all kinds of stuff shall we get to the questions better do it okay so actually gadget chaser is throwing this with what i just said right back at me on the show you do a great job of generating support through patreon and even make a gracious point of understanding that not everyone can support monetary by just asking people to tell others about the show that's true his question is what are your ideas for what we as executive producers or analysts can do to help market and promote the show aside from telling people i have my thoughts will have to hear from you in the whole team i would say uh... sit a family member or a close friend is okay i don't remember my place i think part of it is just exposing people to the to the show and i mean if you're like in a uh... carpool commuting situation like have it playing on the radio or something right now i like i like to be going with that roger like uh... tupperware parties like a big thing right so they should be dtns parties well a little less obvious a little more a little more like a that's a really interesting topic are you listening to your know i'm listening to dtns here's what i do uh... and this is what i just did a new job uh... i went in i made friends with our fabulous it professionals that work in marketplace and i said hey you know i think i know a podcast you guys might like uh... and i told them all about dtns and they never heard of it because if you don't necessarily come from the tech podcast world you might not have and they checked it out and really liked it and so my my advice would be for people who are not already in the actual i t department just walk on down there next time that person's fixing your computer just have that daily tech news show right up there right is it too cheesy to be like hey we listen to daily tech news show yesterday they're talking about driverless cars all you don't listen to it all i t professional everybody listen to it and then just go from there like that's a the really simple ways find the people in your life who might know who might really enjoy the show people you work with people you might not actually even talk to regularly other than my computer frozen i rebooted it is okay to make it work and and talk to them and tell about the show and tell them about it's one of the few ad-free places you can get really good tech news and analysis and they should check it out and here's how and by the way can i have your phone i'll just put it on there can be your phone i was here this for you i mean honestly just getting people to understand what podcasts are and some in some respect huge to do yeah huge huge that's much better than my idea of printing dt and s stickers and sticking them on toll booth yeah i don't appreciate that it's not as effective and work on ground beef packages because they just get confused like i know the people do this but why is this texture even at best by put dt and s stickers on yeah i don't do that but you can give stickers to people don't stick things on other things without permission at best by if you put on the uh... you'd also have to buy stickers all right well something you could do that's like free is leave virtual geocaches in the name of dt and s at disneyland that'll work great with my grandma yeah and you'd be like did you know that where you're standing right now there's a virtual geocache for daily tech news show what's it do you have to forget the geocache part let me start telling you about podcasts mommy why is this man talking to me so you get the younger demographic you go to disneyland you find the bunches of strollers get them early get all you know what would be really effective as if there was a dt and s chant uh... then you could send out missionaries into cities to to you know do the dt and s chanting to get them early intrigued in what is this what is this tech news chant just imagine all the the opportunities at the you know in the playoffs of the stanley cup finals or this amount dt and s malware now safety yes or or we brainstorm better ones are regretting what the people that actually want to say all that uh... feedback at the tech news show send us your best cheerleader dt and s chance yes and it's your videos of you in your cheerleading outfits men or women uh... during your dt and s uh... big jim says i'm often reminded of the quote from jurassic park yeah yeah but your scientists are so preoccupied with whether or not they could they didn't stop to think if they should where he's crossing limits when it comes to technology in the near future where do you think we're going that we should put the brakes on and stop and think that is such a great idea i would say in the in the realm of uh... health care health care i see now i immediately go to a i how i health care so part of part of my thing with the way technology is being used in health care is that it's it's being used to solve a lot of i think uh... symptomatic issues uh... but don't necessarily solve the actual cause of it in other words they help mitigate a lot of the issues that we have for example uh... perhaps not enough doctors on staff or not enough for you know our ends on staff and so technology will allow you to kind of maybe do a little more efficient she asked her perhaps getting patient information but doesn't really address the issues of for example cost and uh... you know quality of care uh... per per you know for for people within this specific area it won't eliminate the fact that you know some regions of the gillies in the u.s a region of the country don't have enough doctors available to service the population so you're not saying it's a bad thing to do technology you're just saying we should focus on fixing other things for i think i think technology in health care is just kind of seen as an automatic panacea for everything without necessarily understanding what the situation in other words people looking at technology on this is technology technology well like hey maybe we should step back and say technology might be good but you know what are we exactly trying to to solve or or or uh... cure i guess i don't care would be uh... i think we should not create pocket size black holes in labs until we know we can close them down probably that's not a thing we shouldn't do zeta tech thing that might be a physics thing i mean the tech has to build the physics thing right yeah but it wouldn't fit in your pocket well that's my fear would rapidly expand in and all sorts of chaos and actually to be serious i uh... just interviewed uh... my other job uh... wise internet guru uh... kevin kelly and he basically said a really interesting thing which was that like we are not going to fix the problems that sun technology has created by going backwards to pre-technology we can only fix it with more technology and and and he's got like this whole book about it that basically says inherent in technology are certain biases that make it inevitable that the technology will proceed down a certain path not necessarily what we do with it but how just like the way that processes are created uh... lends itself to certain outcomes in a little outcome it's very cultural in a way i mean yeah one example i mean i think everyone might people or not is a gunpowder combata was invented uh... by the chinese but it wasn't used as a weapon it was used as a celebratory uh... device firecrackers fireworks wasn't until it made its way uh... into europe that it was seen as a way to move a large object at very high speed at someone you didn't like uh... so it's in the same way you know that that's one of the i think you actually did you know kind of an uh... tangential way is that uh... one reason why there should be more diversity in the technology field is that what you have is you have a very stagnated view of how technology should work in why it should work the way it does you're coming from a particular you know background rather cultural or socioeconomic uh... that lends itself to that but that doesn't necessarily mean it's reflective of everyone uh... in society and how technology could help uh... in different ways necessary but not necessarily the way you think scott wants to say something i just saw this picture of this picture oh no i just made a sound i think i made a little sound i can definitely work on what you're saying they're uh... roger and i feel like another technology that uh... similar to gunpowder maybe didn't maybe these past examples will uh... be you know totems for the future of uh... the things we should be concerned with but like social media right when that was on the precipice uh... was anybody asking that question just because we can should we uh... you know should we have these alternative means to share stuff other than i mean we already had e-mail and use net did we you know our news groups did we do we need all this stuff and did anybody predict that it would grow a generation of narcissists glued to their phones rather than experiencing the world and and uh... could we have even potentially seen that and so uh... makes me wonder like what other kind of crazy stuff uh... were people scared of when the when the automobile right the horseless carriages and now are on the precipice of the person list horseless carriages but cue the scotch on to the whole time you voice uh... that's right but in all honesty the only one that i'm at those those being examples of the previous stuff is that the one that i'm actually most concerned about is just how a i will uh... make for a generation of uh... of a useless workforce that's that's kind of like or or workforce that set free to invent new kinds of jobs or a i will just get really smart and then really depressed it really just ways of the situation of life like everyone else there's a lot of time to think about things i mean our most philosophers kind of it's a well-trodden path for a lot of philosophers poets writers i think i think i mean that you know a i mean a i can be dangerous i don't know this is honestly i don't think it's as uh... think it is and in so many ways just because like you're dealing with intelligent people all over the place i mean it's not necessary some people might be you know might be malevolent or they might be uh... uh... somewhat bad for society but in the whole i mean you know it's really about education if you put it put an a i you know in an environment where you know they go psychotic yeah it's a bad thing so try to avoid make ego psychotic the same thing we do with with animals and zoos they found out that certain animals after a while being stuck in the same fall by twelve cage for you know ninety percent of the life ten to go a little bonkers i mean that's a whole argument against the world right you put animals that typically migrate half the planet you know uh... and uh... over a course of a year and you keep them in the swimming pool size tank you they go a little they go a little bonkers i would i would be only thing i would add to any of this is kind of related is a i would like i would i i hope we swing back in technology to bring a little empathy back into what has become of social networking in our ability to communicate across not just platforms and continents but also across uh... you know classes and economic statuses and all the things in between that make up you know a very different group of people so the the the better we can do at figuring out ways to maintain our humanity in a way that's effective and i don't know what that is maybe it's more uh... less hiding who you are online and and less an anonymity i don't know but whatever it is that's the thing i i'm not only optimistic about that i'm also kind of hungry for i hope that makes a swing back maybe it's becoming other people in vr for a while and so how you are reacted to uh... you know that's that's an interesting point i will say that i've played video games where i'd like felt things where i'm like whoa you know like can empathy be taught through vr that's an interesting concept where does uh... where is that beautiful intersection of technology and humanity yeah we're not there yet where's she yeah i get a good empathy belmont on this time to do it well i like i like roger's idea that eventually the a i will have a uh... existential breakdown i i kind of i love that concept and and maybe we can learn something from uh... sea world and just keep the a i in the swimming pool or not for her to swim in the ocean set it free put it put it on voyager twelve and send it off toward pluto are you making a free willy reference or i'm not sure it's a it's a star trek it's a free veager reference yes star trek reference you just got to let it go make sure it doesn't know how to get back home either uh... so there you go folks at taste of what our monthly round table show might be like uh... should you get us to that level at patriot and patriot dot com's like to test uh... philip shane has our next question in the chat but he's also joining us in the hangout and you're like out about band yes well i'm actually in the backyard uh... you said you're surrounded by something in the chat i am but no i am surrounded so uh... i mean williamsburg brooklyn and right now there's this huge festival going on called north side festival of tech and music and right next to me is the uh... brooklyn bowl i'm sorry the brooklyn brewery and the brooklyn bowl gotcha and there were tech conferences come on it's beautiful outside in fact we're having l.a. weather so do you want me to read your question out of the question slacker kid can you remember it i can remember it well actually and it happens to be here on my screen uh... but yes i i i this is a real documentary interview kind of question but uh... there's always things that are frustrating and i think we tend not to talk about it which is fine because i'm just curious i said what friction i mean what what kinds of frustrations or difficulties do you feel uh... as you're doing the show and in particular is itself sustaining for you yet and you know you know without getting it any numbers i'm just curious if it's if you feel a self-sustaining and if not how long you think it'll take to get to that point yes yeah good absurd no it's sustainable uh... for a while it's it's not uh... it's not retire on it sustainable it's it's not it can i could only i could do nothing else but d t n s and i'd be fine uh... but yeah it's it's it's good enough and what i would like to get it to financially is that we're generating enough revenue that we could pay all the co-host enough uh... to consider them like fully employees that could do lots of other reporting uh... that we could we could not have to worry about well if we send justin to new orleans i guess we can justify for as one time thing and just make that up to travel budget stuff like that higher freelancers that we trust it pieces for us absolutely so having having a little growing right now it's like it's enough to do what we do it's sustainable but it there's not room to move financially whereas uh... what i would like to do content wise is exactly what we're doing uh... one of the friction points on content is i felt like d t n s was trying to be two shows and that was really hard to say like okay we're gonna have all the headlines you need plus all the discussion you need and when push came to shove discussion was more interesting to people then headlines in that combined amount and that's what the survey shows like i really like what you guys talk about the stories and so that's what we've done we've we've evolved d t n s to be the conversations about the topics of the day but i was still putting headlines in there that you know nobody really anything to say about because i felt like well we need to have this in here so the headlines show take some pressure off of that uh... and let's us do that so what the other thing i'm hoping the headlines does like i said earlier is number two reasons people leave our patron is because they don't have time can bring some of those people back into the tent to say like here now that here's a here's a thing that you will have time to listen to and keep up we hope that there are people who never even knew about d t n s that find that useful uh... i'm hoping to make a big splash with it on itunes when we launch and talking to them about that uh... and then that brings more people in the discovery d t n s there's a bigger tent and then we can do more so that's that's kind of that i don't know if that i've wandered away from your question and answering it but that's what i'm thinking about i don't know that that's exactly right and the fact that it's that it is self-sustaining now is great even if it that first level anyone that i would jump in and just say that if you know if tom did this one hundred percent by himself and and wasn't as generous as he is with paying you know roger and paying the contributors and doing everything it might be a retire upon that like what i love most about this shows his commitment to growing it as a team sport and it's a like no we need all these people and all their expertise in and will pull the amazon thing and break even for a while because we really believe that all of these people are necessary to our growth i mean it's it's really kind of awesome because he could just do this a lot more by himself if he really wanted to and so yeah so i think that that's an important thing to note is like you know it's a it's a he's very much made it a team this thing is a team effort and i don't know that's what i got to say about that yeah that's very cool is it sort of fees into the second part of my question which was uh... if you saw this as a rocket what stage do you feel would be little right now it sounds like first stage what's the what's the burning fuselage falling into the ocean that's right it's reusable right it's a space rocket it lands it lands on on a barge yeah i don't know i feel like we're between first and second stage like we're past the lift off you know i in and what i feel like we're kind of releasing the first stage right now as as we launch headlines and and kind of really focus uh... and on dtns and bring in day six so yeah it's it's it's some words rent separation well yeah we're a mature show right like it's a mature show it knows what it is it wants to grow a little bit more and my only frustration is like i want to help every single person on earth about it and i feel like i i it cannot necessarily find the rest of the people that should be i mean i think everybody should be listening to show but i feel like in terms of growing it past the amazing loyal sustaining audience that we have now without losing exactly what it is and its purpose would be a real goal for me as the senior advisor type is finding ways to be like guys even if you're not intact especially if you're not intact this is a show for you like this show will make you feel better about all the devices that surround you and all the things that people are you know talking about on the radio that you're like what and if you listen to this one show every day you will be tech educated and you will feel a lot better about yourself i might say i think in my gut that would mean actually detaching the discussion section from the headlines because i think that the headlines have a particular flavor to them and it's a little more hardcore than most people that's a particular kind of audience whereas the discussion is a really wide audience anybody can jump in there yeah i agree i think the conversations are the entertaining and enjoyable part because you know everybody can have theories whereas the headlines is the utility part uh... you know and roger you remember back when we did call for help in screensavers we often referred to them as tools and toys screensavers was it was about toys like playing around with stuff and having fun and hacking and call for help was about tools like i'm serious i just need the practical effect of stuff it's kind of it's a similar split coming into this show as your your resident normie uh... in the beginning i did not like fully grasp everything that was in the headlines is some of them kind of flowed past me some of them when they're about chips and and phones in india still do but the learning by osmosis they did in the show over the past two years was incredible just as a listener even though i was on it and i feel like if you just listen long enough you will start to pick up the narrative thread of the d t n s in the tech story in a way that you don't any other way so you know that's part of that's part of what i want to do is get out and tell the story of this show in it in a comprehensive way so that people are drawn in that might not know they need it i can totally see that i wonder if you have you thought about maybe putting up some discussions just totally by themselves so that people can jump in there and then they go for that uh... one month monthly contributor at table for that uh... you also can talking about the uh... the headlines here just you know realizing uh... from the perspective of the contributor and a listener uh... it just dawned on me how exciting this really is in that uh... i know personally when it comes to prepping for the show i'm looking at the headlines run down and and uh... also put like an x next to the ones where i'm going to contribute or if i have nothing because i'm like i don't care about some blackberry financial yada yada i did i don't have anything to contribute uh... and then sometimes it's like three x's in a row which as you know means that it's going to be you know triple x rated yeah uh... i have to say that it's not that kind of show but on the ones that we record actually broadcast i just know that when i'm when i'm listening to them uh... i i'm like constantly yelling at you and and and and everybody uh... on the show uh... on the phone as i'm listening to it as a viewer and i'm just like all this is fantastic now if headlines come out before the discussion show means that whatever ones i'm yelling at you as i'm listening to the podcast up those are the stories that i'm really going to want to discuss in the uh... hours leading up to that yeah now i i i think that helps us make sure we have the that's topics that are that are something you can talk about that are topical uh... and gives us that the freedom and room to to move around in there but you also have to go ahead jenny no i was just gonna say but the best advertisement for the show is tom merritt himself talk to people so if we could just put them in you know every living room and do like a living room tour that would be a way to grow it i don't think you'd like that very much i could do a kitchen tour with them yes actually the best emails we've gotten all year was the guy who works in electronic store in lake charles louisiana send us a picture of a smart fridge with daily tech news show playing on it and he's like i keep this playing all day long on the fridge as a demonstration i like that's amazing genius yeah talk about something like all that that's a way to spread the word about this and then after we mentioned it on the show some people went to the store and bought a uh... i don't know if they bought a fridger laundry actually and asked for the guy like are you the guy who's to set the email all my god so then he actually made a sale out of it too which was amazing uh... yeah so that's another thing going back to that other question of what you can do to promote this show like is there uh... a place where you could put daily tech news show can you put alpha media media on the speakers at work uh... while the show is live and keep people's interest if you if you go to radio shack get on one of the tandy's and say uh... ten print watch dtns uh... twenty to ten that's good advertising whatever appliance the story happened to be a guy who got in trouble at willow the wind in greenville illinois which was also a radio shack for doing similar things when i was eleven it's like don't get upset press escape philip wrote also in the slack what would you tell your eleven-year-old self and what can you remind you to do yes very documentary in question mister or dating game question yeah i would be great i would tell myself don't do ten print funny go to ten uh... i would also tell myself uh... mister colman is not that bad just because you like to uh... the other social studies teacher better uh... uh... what can you remind you to do that's a really good question i don't have an answer that off the top of my head do any of you get could you could any of you guys answer that well i'll remind her and oh i could answer that i tell eleven-year-old hmm i tell you like when you were eleven or twelve eleven no no no it's tom that we're talking to when he's eleven we're like tom which i don't know if i it is that's a practical that's what i'll say we're time travelers well i i certainly think i would tell eleven-year-old me to uh... go learn that coding thing right go to college instead of taking uh... more journalism classes maybe you should take a couple classes in coding jenny uh... and uh... i think i would also say like um... deeply do not lose your eleven-year-old sense of wonder uh... and enthusiasm because i lost it and it took me a long time to get it back in i got to tell you the only technique shows one of the things that helped me like really see the world again and like in anything is possible kind of way so how's that for deep pretty deep i would say to myself i have to take care of your eyes because you don't want to wear these glasses when you're by age yeah and buy apple stock that's another good one uh... buy it after they kick out uh... steve dole so it's super cheap oh yeah you gotta buy ninety seven or whatever ninety five and buy yourself a pippin while you're at it hang on to that it's gonna be worth some i would go tell myself to brush your teeth better because you're gonna have some weird feeling issues when you're in your thirties and forties but then i would say uh... you that thing you want to do you want to be a cartoonist and a radio guy you'll get to do those things so don't take so long to figure it out and just do it that's what i do i would say in school you can do it really whatever you want but you have much wider and out of school too but like you have much wider leeway than you think you could think anyway yeah the thing i would try to get my eleven-year-old stuff to remind me it's probably the thing that i i keep trying to remind myself anyway which is you when you don't know you can't do something you have a better chance of doing it yeah mm there's all kinds of things that i tried back then uh... because i didn't know i couldn't do them you know like becoming a radio broadcaster five years later and i was sixteen stuff like that that i'm i would right now i'd be like that's a horrible risk why would i try that now being young is good that way also remind me that i'm not as young as i was then are you afraid you'd freak your eleven-year-old out though your eleven-year-old person out with your like if i showed up right now with this horrible half beard like i'd scare the hell out of him i would probably ecstatic because people used to tell me i would go bald i was pretty sure i was going to go bald there was an interesting moment tom we're uh... in the slack uh... the other day people were discussing i don't know they were just discussing like css or you know asking about the coding on their website and stuff and you said it really warmed your heart and that was interesting to me what what is that about i i i okay so again and and uh... michael was was saying i need to mention the slack more often the slack was an afterthought when we went when i created the analyst level it was mostly about this hangout you know you'll you'll get you know access and then slack came along i was like well this is even better access than the hangout let's do this and so being it finally just taking off the light of life of its own where people are just having great conversation with the other i mean we're in there obviously and we're gonna stay in there and be accessible but seeing folks not worrying about like we have to talk about dts just talking about coding uh... and having fun and just all stuff that i was enjoying as a spectator to the conversation that's what one of my heart as i know this is this is great this is fun this is what i hope would happen in here all that's awesome yeah me too i love it the slack and darren i just guess it's already i stepped on you there you are fantastic you are all the guests are great all the partners are great but um... i love what what you bring because you i am a normie like uh... jenny and uh... you bring the most hardcore tech but like i totally get it i'm just i'm trying to get to a wednesday level but i was going to say you know philip i'm sitting right here buddy thank you but scott you're the most educated and an amazing normie we have you you know all this stuff you've been so first in it but you never lose that every guy perspective and like i love listening to darren but sometimes i'm like this is beyond me and that's what i do in the wednesday because we're talking like cultural social you know and then you then all of a sudden it's like scott the computer programmer and it's fantastic so i love all of our contributors darren scares me and gives me hope he the things he knows about terrifying me but when i have to disappear well i'm calling him can i tell you what i would tell my eleven-year-old self now please so i would say okay well first of all forget the fact that i'm coming to you from the future because that's just gonna confuse this message here though i am you from the future and i would say uh... don't worry about the future because as you know it doesn't exist and so that's kind of breaking this whole conversation right now but just trust me with this that it can only exist in the moment that you're in right now and in this moment you can picture the future as either really good and you'll get very excited and have you know lots of uh... excitement for this potential future in your mind or you can imagine the future being bad and you may have a stressful response and a bunch of anxiety of this future that doesn't exist but this potential future that's bad you may react accordingly to this that doesn't happen and so i would just remind my eleven-year-old self that in this moment you are eleven the future does not exist you cannot project on to the future and just enjoy living in that moment and too much my childhood was spent thinking about what could be or what would be or what wouldn't be and not enough in the moment just living that right on whoa that's awesome that being said the sun will explode the earth will be melted oh yeah right right break it by saying hey eleven-year-old me this is thirty three year-old you don't do the math but in six years the sun explodes uh... hey i want to get uh... through a couple more questions that are in our uh... patreon analysts like if you're watching this uh... either because you happen to see and 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that is just an extra thing that is necessary since there's only two uh... and you can subscribe to both and then if you get tired of when you can unsubscribe to that whereas pushing them together is is a little bit of extra maintenance uh... for something that reduces your ability to to separate them so i i think for now i'm gonna have them be separate rss feeds uh... also uh... we got a question from big jim who said what is the future of tech reporting i think this will be the question we go out on will just go around the table uh... he says is it the are like what are we going to continue to podcast like what do you think the future of tech reporting and maybe even reporting in general uh... since it's all kind of the same thing is going to be uh... want to go first uh... so reporting in so much of like how the news is presented to an audience or how news is uh... information the journalistic part is gathered because that that the latter problems so i mean the tools will change definitely however the journalists will still need to ask the who's the why is the what's the where's the wins and there will of course always need to be the analysis the ability to take all that information place within the context uh... that the viewer can understand now how that's delivered to an audience i think kind of depends i mean we are now in the in a period of time where uh... our media uh... our media consumption can be taken in multiple formats it can either be uh... was a print the text on on the web it can be a via a podcast where i can listen to my car or it could be the uh... something visually by a watch on the screen or even through the art goggles and i think what happens is you see an additional with beyond a new technology you see maybe and you an outlet but i don't think that necessarily means the rest of the goes away it doesn't sweep the board so speak it may even combine some of that stuff together yeah and what i would say is i think you'll start to see you know all the different platforms being used by journalist but what i would like to see is somehow journalism and the conception of journalists uh... has really gone into the damper in terms of public opinion of the profession at large and i think the problem is is that when people say journalists they really mean the media in all of its varied responsible more responsible less responsible forms it's a big big big tent and i think what i would like to see is the idea come back of journalists and reporters and responsible tech news show hosts uh... get a little bit of their credibility back and i don't know where we lost it i don't know whether journalism became kind of like uh... in east coast elite uh... ivory tower thing or whether the profusion of people in you know type in a blog sort of made it blow up a little but i i would like to work really hard to get that trust back and i wish that it hadn't gone away it might also be a bunch of people yelling at the media uh... from their congressional offices i don't know but i'm not sure it actually exist but that's a much longer discussion there may have been a it's a whole lot of you know i think Walter Cronkite existed for Walter Cronkite but here here's i mean respect respect for people how they actually are two different things but i got an email from a listener who said i could never say who we work for it or i'd get him fired but he works for a major media outlet who says they have meetings and have charts and they have rules about link bait and they're using it and you're seeing more of it and a rise of that kind of thing in those kinds of stupid headlines in mainstream media sources that used to be highly respected in that regard because it's working and i mean like in an army of nerds they've worked out kind of like that kind of like that i need to go click that at marketplace dot org right now like people click it and go because they know you know that it fires people up and journalists and news organizations know that so it's a real challenge that part uh... i don't know how that goes away unless we stop as people clicking on these things i don't know how it goes away just to clarify i i also just you know today i've worked with peter jennings and i was a dvc ten years and uh... i guess what i mean is that certainly there were these stars but it really is true that the growth of positive view of blogs and things like that is that there were these three or four mostly white men who sat on sat there read what reporters did and that's great they should totally continue to exist but there's so much more potential now and with the fractured media landscape i just think that trust comes in smaller uh... packages now uh... i think that the audience of thirty to fifty thousand people who faithfully download the show have an incredibly high level of trust in tom marrett and i would like more people to have that experience because it's pretty rad darin you have any thoughts on this before we wrap up yeah sure i would just say that you know uh... as far as news gathering is concerned to feel like a i journalism has made major strides as of late especially in terms of like stocks and sports ball uh... i feel like there's a lot of opportunity for uh... a i as an assist as an assistant to do contextual analysis especially as tech is really that eternal return of all of this has happened before all of it will happen again and uh... you know to have an a i that can see a trending thing and say hey this happened to paul or blackberry uh... you know ran into certain similar crossroads in the late nineties and this is with the way she thinks shut down uh... that would be really interesting to see uh... and just i don't know i'm putting some faith in it because i know that personally like my favorite news source is a surefire indication a i journalism is a thing uh... so just go to people familiar with the matter dot com and see uh... silo bloggers there's no proof i exist 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