 It's time for Mac geek gab and listener Ben brings us our quick tip of the week with something he just discovered another efficiency When interacting with tap backs in the messages app on both Mac and iPhone and of course iPad to see who has reacted to a message via tap back You know if you especially if you're in a group, right? And you see, you know the little thumbs up or the thumbs down or the heart sign or whatever But you don't it doesn't show you which person it just shows you that there are Reactions you tap or click if on the Mac the tap backs stacked in the corner of the message You don't need to click and hold you don't need to long press You don't need to double tap the message itself just tap once on or click once on the actual little reaction in the upper left corner of the message and it will Expand the tap backs themselves and show you what? Which person responded in which way which is awesome I've I've been driving myself crazy to do this for a long time So I really appreciate this tip more quick tips like this plus your questions answered today on Mac geek gab 997 for Monday August 28th 2023 And Indeed welcome to Mac geek of the show where you send in your tips your cool stuff found your questions and We share your tips like we just did we will share your cool stuff found I don't know if we'll have time for that today, but you know, we always try to squeeze a couple in and then we answer your questions Sometimes we even have questions of our own which we answer together The goal being that each of us learns at least five new things every single time We get together and sometimes we'll even play that sound if it's an especially good one I think that message is one that we open the show it deserves that Sponsors for this episode include one of my new summer favorites And it's only because I've only really gotten back into it this summer It'd probably be a winter favorite too, and that's hop water at HOPWTR.com MGG where you get 20% off your first purchase We'll talk more about that and the flavors that I'm really liking in a minute, but for now Here back here after being at podcast movement back here in Durham, New Hampshire. I'm Dave Hamilton And here in Lee, New Hampshire back here after being in Daytona where it's actually there's this thing in the sky Dave you might have heard of it It's called the Sun and you actually get to see it here in New Hampshire once or twice a year apparently I'm told but yeah, anyway pilot Pete here in Lee, New Hampshire fun to be back I'm sorry missed podcast movement. I thought I was gonna have to work and then I didn't make it right Yeah, no. Yeah podcast movement was this is the show that they did in Denver Which is the summer show is a little bigger than the winter show. I'm not convinced. We need two of these a year I know they don't like me saying that because of course, you know, obviously they make money when they Know I get it now if I were them I would do the same thing But but it is good to go in in sort of immerse in the podcast world for me It serves double duty I get to go as a podcaster and learn about like new gear and and see people who make the gear that we use and like all Of that fun stuff and then learning also as a podcaster learning How other people produce their shows one of my favorite things to do and this will probably come as no surprise to The folks listening here because you know how much I love like learning from the quick tips and all that one of my favorite things to do is to go to the you know any session that that Reports to be podcasting 101 like intro to podcasting. Here's how you get started I love going to those sessions and I know that might sound strange when you think well Dave You've been podcasting for 18 and a half years. Why would you go to a podcast in 101 session? It's because I've been podcasting for 18 and a half years and I learned how to do things the hard way and people that are even even and a Correctly titled expert who has been podcasting for three years teaching people who are just getting started that Expert of three years is going they learned at a different time than me They they're like they they started with all of the current tech or at least semi current tech They might even be behind the game because it changes right but like I love that kind of thing And I always learned something from somebody who started far later than me So so I learned and then also the the other side of going to podcast movement as I get to meet with you know For the backbeat media side I get to meet with all of our Agency partners and sponsors and all of that stuff. So it's it's it's a worthwhile trip And even if I have to do it twice a year, it's still very worthwhile. So no, that's that's awesome And yeah, what shocks me Dave is but that podcast has the podcast technology has been around for obviously at least 18 years I want to say it's been about 22 23 years now that that someone figured out how to put it into an RSS feed and you know It's 19 19 years ago this month was the first the first thing that we are calling a podcast Got you but like you know, it's certainly people were doing internet But yeah, no the the the the RSS thing that was something Dave Weiner Dave Weiner did cook it up about 20 years ago But the first real implementation was I believe 19 years ago Okay, so but what shocks me is that look how many people you see engrossed in their phone all the time everywhere You go and I'm still shocked at the number of people who have no idea what a podcast is Yes, the numbers are going up. They are going up. Thankfully and and that's cool Yeah, so yeah, but You're right. You're right. It is fascinating how many people don't know what about yeah, I think it's awesome Yeah, and then there was that big lawsuit It's four or five years ago now that there was a company that claimed they had the the rights to the RSS feed in the podcast and Adam Corolla who stepped up and said, yeah, no, we're not paying you off Funded that and bought it. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. It was a patent roll Yeah, you know, he he helped the industry. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah All right, I think we should do I don't know a quick tip or two. I'm into it Rico shares our next quick tip and says this past week. I got caught by iOS storage Are you finding that your apps are not remembering where you were with the you know The place where you were you were you left off in an app you come back to it And it doesn't bring you back to that spot. It doesn't remember this couldn't be an indication that you might be short on Storage Rico says after a bit of cleanup everything went back to working as usual so That that can be another another sign that your phone is getting low or your iPad is getting low on storage if Apps are not remembering where they are. So yeah, I like that tip that it the any of these little indicators or litmus tests Are always important. Interesting. Yeah, I find it interesting to turn on my phone weather-wise and Find me in you know, like I'll probably turn on the weather today on my phone and they'll say, oh, you're you're in Daytona Beach Yeah, actually, I'm not you know here right right right here. I am. Yep. Yep. So it does remember too much No, no, I want my location, please. You know, yeah Yeah Speaking of the weather and your location Bradley shares something he found Messing with the iOS 17 betas, but this is a these settings are the same in iOS 16 the current release version he says I decided to jump on the beta and Notice that the weather widget I have on my lock screen was telling me that location Services was off and therefore could not show me the weather on my lock screen He says I found a setting that I needed to change to make this work. It's in settings privacy and security Location services weather there are five options there and he says but mine was set to only while using the app He says I changed it to while using the app or widgets And that then obviously opened it up So yeah, there's there's five options never and always are sort of the the the most extreme and then in the middle are asked the next time While using the app or while using the app or widgets, so I have mine set to always. I don't I don't know I tend to Generally most apps it's only while using the app But if it's an app that I know like the weather I want it to see it I just give it always and then that way, right, you know, it's good to go and then now sometimes when I do that you wind up with The note that pops up every couple days. Hey, you know this this has been using your Location data. Do you want to keep doing that? Yeah, I said it there. Yes I said it there and I've answered that question for you four times already Like can you stop asking? I I wish there was I mean, that would be nice Apple if you're listening put a stop asking this question Yes, or or don't ask me for a month and maybe it is don't ask me for a month Like I I guess next time I am asked about that I need to log it somewhere like this app asked me on Tuesday, you know, the 14th that You know and then notice when that same app asked me again because maybe it question maybe it isn't as Frequent as we think it is Because maybe we have a lot of apps that are that we are allowing to see our location in the background seems like though All right, it does seem like trivia question though. Yeah, where's the default location for the weather on your iPhone when you open it? Oh I don't use the iPhone weather app as my primary So I don't know. Do you know I do well would you share it with us? I will share it with you and then I'll ask you why it is that okay, Cupertino, California. Oh Okay, right, right, of course, you know why that is of course. Yes. Yeah, that's old worldwide headquarters That's where the phone. That's where the phone comes from Every tree and not really it comes from China was designed. It was designed. That's right. Yeah, so yeah Shenzhen Cupertino, you know, one of these what's one of it. Yeah, I Think they might be if they could drill through the earth, right? Like they could they could maybe make Shipments happen faster. So maybe maybe if they hold they team up with the boring company and instead of you know Just going under the surface just goes straight down. Just drop it in the hole and they'll come out the other side Oh Unfortunately, I think it would melt at the earth's core, but yeah, yeah Yeah, all right We can just out of here Dave Dan Dan has our next quick tip Dan says I have many iCloud and Gmail calendars and use The calendar app on the Mac He says I have a color for invoice issued and another color for yet to be invoiced And I sometimes want to see which of my customers are yet. Oh, he also He says I want to see which of my customers are yet to be invoiced to avoid plowing through hundreds of entries And this has meant un-ticking the 20 or so other calendars just so I can see the relevant calendar I found it. So that's a really really Specific and perhaps unique use case, right? So there might be a quick tip baked into that there might also be a why are you sharing this with the audience at large? Question Dave baked into that too and it's because He found a tip that might work for the rest of us for our use cases And that is he says I found that if you press option and command you can solo The calendar you want and the others disappear, which is super helpful. I I don't use Apple's calendar I use busy Cal and It is often that I want to solo a specific calendar and busy Cal and you can do that busy Cal by right-clicking and Choosing just show this calendar But it is super handy if I want to see my gigs calendar I want to see the family's calendar or whatever just by itself just to see alright What do I have coming up on this? Super handy to To have those right there. So that's great option and command to solo a calendar Interesting. Well, you answer my question before I could ask it, which was does it work in busy Cal? But there you go your right-click in busy Cal. It's a different thing in busy Cal But yeah, yeah, yeah a similar one I use it for notes is then I just use tags and then I can then I look for tags Sure, but you have to tag it that way, but that's that's a brilliant way to use the calendar on invoices Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah, it makes me like it hurts my brain a little bit because I don't think that way But I like like I said, I like learning new things. So like yeah, it's good. Yeah. Yeah. All right another quick tip from Listener Ben. I believe this is the same Ben that helped us open the show Ben So thank you twice Ben in addition to we talked in the last episode about changing the cursor size, right? The mouse cursor size on your Mac so that you can by shaking the mouse well But also you can go into accessibility and literally set the pointer size to be larger than what it defaults to and I've done that on all of my Macs might like, you know people sit down at my Mac and say why is your mouse so big? It's like because that way I can find it when I have three screens up. That's right. Yeah in addition to that Ben points out that you can also change the mouse's fill and Outline colors and those are in the same place in the system preferences or system settings accessibility display pointer and he says I like mine to have a Dark brown center with a light gray border and that's interesting You know so less contrast right instead of because normally it is a black center with a white border So softening that a little bit But I could see you know you make the border some color and you can like find it like that's I Might mess with that. I haven't done that yet But I might I might do that because there's a lot of things on my screen that are black and white now that I'm even just like While we're podcasting here. I'm looking at my screen. It's like there's so much white and black Maybe that's why the mouse gets lost lens right in. Yeah, it blend these just because it blends in Yeah, yeah, I'm not seeing it in setting sort of change your mouth size, but I know it's there It's in accessibility. Yeah, it should be there in display Pointer and you see pointer size when you're size accessibility. Yeah, there you go. So I'm gonna while we're doing the show I'm gonna change my pointer outline color to Purple and we will see if I like that It oddly it did not change for me. So I don't know. Oh there it goes Interesting. Yeah, you have to turn off that you have to hit Get out of there first. I guess we're to change. Yeah, I kind of needed to mess with it All right Well, we'll see how this goes for this this recording but already like I can see where my mouse is it jumps off the screen That's I don't know if I like that, but you know, I did the same thing. We'll see if we stick with it We'll see if we stick with it. There you go. All right, and our rounding out quick tips today comes the last one comes from mark m It says I thought this might be a good time to share a savings tip Given that iPhone season is coming up. Yep Says I use my chase unlimited card to get one and a half percent cash back on Everything and three percent back on dining out and these points add up over time Essentially, I have free money in my rewards account and now they're currently offering 10% Discounts on Apple gift cards to sweeten that deal So you take that free money and use it to get your $1,000 iPhone for $900 of free money because you've if you've got your free money you buy an apple gift card You get an extra 10% over what you spent so it would really be $990 for $900 of free money because that's how the credit card companies make their math work He says I have no affiliation with Chase Of course, he says but now may be the time to apply for one of their cards and save your points to get Your Apple product next year. 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I'm in and all right Larry wrote to us this week and he says my Mac laptop has been my primary computer for a long time I started in iPhoto and then did the in-place migration to photos now I want to move to my move it all to my 27 inch iMac so I can use the screen real estate What's the best way to move the photos and eliminate all the iPhoto to photos cruft that was created over the years? And during the in-place migration when I first got the iMac I was still on iPhoto on my laptop and just copied my iPhoto library to the Mac to the iMac and then Converted to photos on my iMac and during that conversion it duplicated my photo library ouch I Now I have two copies of my 800 gig photo libraries It it is not hard Links it is duplicate files, which I didn't think was supposed to happen But anyway, I need to get a clean copy of my photos with all the album's keywords Etc on my iMac and to make the master database going forward I've never turned on any of the cloud photos features or functions. I have 1.4 terabytes free on my two gig plan Two terabyte plan two terabyte plan. Yeah, I meant I meant what do you know? Yeah And I can use that uh path if it's the best way to go Does this copy over albums keywords tags, etc Also, I also know you have talked about some great third party apps that do wonders managing iPhoto libraries And if that might be a better option So Yeah, this is interesting. I um I would start with iCloud photos I I think this is going to be The cleanest path, but it will wind up using a lot of your home internet data So if you are bandwidth limited if you have data caps for your home internet service Think about this especially with an 800 gig library because it's probably going to send Somewhere between four and 800 gigs up And then back down if you were to do this path and and that path would be Just to state it clearly you would turn on iCloud photo library on your existing computer Let it push everything to the cloud Then you would turn on iCloud photo library on your iMac and let it pull everything back down to there It does come with albums and uh, you know, all of the other things that you asked for yes keywords Tags are tags in the photos app Somebody somebody'll have to correct me if i'm i think you can yeah, I think you can tag them Okay, it's a different but it's a different tag than the yeah OS tags It does like with lisa's you know lisa's mac mini died recently We talked about with that lightning storm and so we migrated her to uh an m1 air and I realized that her photos library was pretty big. It was I don't know whatever 700 600 megs 500 meg something gigs. Sorry Uh and I thought you know, I this has been upgraded and migrated For a very long time I wonder if It would be smaller if I just let it slurp everything down from iCloud sort of quote unquote fresh And of course we have backups and everything in case it comes down and it's not right Well, he came down and it is right It also came down at almost exactly the same size as her prior library on the mac mini so It is efficient even though it's been upgraded and migrated over time from iCloud from iPhoto to photos So we didn't save any space We also didn't lose any data doing this And that is now the photos library that she is running from is the one that we pulled down You know quote unquote fresh from iCloud. So that is how I would do it But just be aware of the amount of data that that you're going to use Um If you don't want to do it that way Copy the photos library over not the iPhoto library So assuming you are correct with the two the duplicates. I agree that that's weird Normally, it's supposed to be hard links, but maybe not So just copy the photos library over to the new computer It'll probably have less cruft than you think Given what we just learned with Lisa's Experiment there, but and and then that should just work on your new You know on your new mac and and that that would be fine If you want to do some de-duping and some cruft cleaning I am a big big fan of an app called power photos from fat cat software It is so good at all of those things and more so Um, yeah And if you if you feel like something didn't go right with your Change from iFotos to photos you can have it look at both of those libraries and And you know merge and de-dupe between the two of them as well So it like it's a great utility for doing anything with photos So that sounds far more focused the one I had always used was gemini In gemini in your photos library as well, but it sounds like power photos is more focused on the On the photos database. Yes more sensitive to the needs of that database and gemini may be that is correct That's exactly what it is. It is really focused on Cleaning them up and it will find similar photos and and you know, it'll tell you Oh, well, here's a duplicate, but this is the smaller version. This is the larger version. It's fantastic I'm a big fan. Dave, I would wonder would it be worth And I would because it's your photos I would make two Copies so that if you drop one of the discs or something like that Make two copies then of everything Then delete one of those two and and see if that works, you know Delete the old iFotos and come with photos sure and see if that works And then upload but I still agree doing it with iCloud because then the beauty is No matter what happens to those backup discs, you've got it in the cloud now. It's in the cloud. Yeah, and you you're paying for the storage Yeah, like yeah, to me. There's no downside to that and We have never I don't even think I need to knock on wood for this. I will just because it's it's my my superstition your photos But it's okay. So the wood has been knocked. Um, we have never heard about apple Losing someone's photos that they uploaded to iCloud. Certainly. We've heard of people deleting photos They didn't intend to delete like you know human error, but apple has never lost that and Here's the thing they know that The damage done to one person From apple losing their photos Pails in comparison to the damage that would be done to apple to everyone else's trust in apple for their data If apple lost someone's photos. So like they are far more Incentivized to keep our photos safe than we desire them to be right like Right, yeah I think your bigger danger with put storing them in the cloud is getting hacked and having somebody You know steal your account so to speak then fair apple actually losing them So as long as you've got good two-factor authentication everything else exactly very little chance Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, unless somebody hacks your phone Um and like you know steals your phone and knows your passcode and we've you know, we've talked about that, but otherwise. Yep. Yeah Shall we move on to andrew? I think we shall. All right. We shall So andrew wrote oh, I know i'll read andrew's question. I you know, I I'll get up to speed with our new little terminology and and my little shortcuts here Andrew uh says recently we were watching a tv show and a song came up So we asked siri to identify it and it was done quickly and accurately later We realized that we do not know where the inquiries are made regarding identification Uh, you know where these go. Do you know where we can see past requests? And he says I don't have shazam installed and and uh It so it he talks about how apple should build shazam into the os Shazam is built into the os apple acquired it back in 2018. So it actually is there, but uh, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So that's you know, that's so there's a twofer there. Yeah, uh, where do the searches go and and why didn't apple buy shazam? And I was not aware of that uh, so But I wrote to him of course everybody knows that uh, the government keeps all our siri and alexa and Hey, google searches, that's not true folks Just kidding. I sent I sent david meme a couple of weeks ago My wife asked me why I was speaking so quietly. I said I didn't want the a lady to hear what I had or What's his name suckerberg to hear what I had to say my wife laughed I laughed the a lady laughed siri laughed Yeah, exactly. Um, they hear everything but uh, no, they're not storing it Well, the a lady may be but I don't know that the details on that I I wrote him back and said, uh As for the history of your siri searches and uh, apple To protect you from evil does not save your requests. They use some Deidentified database stuff to improve it. Uh, they got a long way to go there. Sorry my editorial phase is now over So while you'll never need to worry about hackers or private investigators or jealous spouses You won't have the benefits of being able to go back and seeing what questions you have asked the uh of siri in the past Um, but my understanding is is that the a lady may actually have your search history and then David's been some time. I don't know if you want to briefly cover the story of how shazam was developed It was kind of a funny story. I thought that uh, oh, yeah. Well, I will I will say if you go into settings privacy and security Analysts and improvements Uh, you will see things that you can choose to or not choose to share with apple and siri and dictation are on that list Um, you can turn it on and then it that says it helps improve siri and dictation By allowing apple to store and review audio of your siri and dictation interactions from this device And then there's there's a link to learn more about how they uh disassociate that from you, right? But it is my understanding your voice the law enforcement could never go back and go, you know, hey, hey, yes lady How do I get rid of a body? Right, you know, they can't go back But they do like you're right that other um The other engines the the a lady and um google you can go and get that data you can download from amazon All of your uh eight lady requests and it's fascinating to hear yourself back Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah Yep, we're terrifying Yeper So yeah, no so quickly uh, that that was a great story about okay the shazam the shazam origin story So yeah at at wwc there used to be a session. It was the one session that was never recorded and uh Was only for people in person. It has not existed for a very long time Or at least you know, not that long maybe eight ten years But uh, it was a session called stump the experts and it happened late in the day Uh, I believe it was on I think it was on tuesday like the keynote would happen monday I don't think it was keynote day might have been but uh, it always whatever with the the evenings Flow for the day of stump the experts was the apple design awards would happen from like seven to eight thirty and then Stump the experts would start at nine o'clock and go until ten thirty or something like that and it was it was a bunch of uh current and former apple employees on stage And then obviously the the the rest of us were in the crowd There were maybe 30 of them on stage and it was essentially a game show where the crowd competed against the experts the experts could ask the crowd questions the crowd could ask the experts questions And there would be points and it was very irreverently organized So that generally the the people on stage would win and it was but it you could get like a t-shirt and things like that And it was it was a good time right fun so There was this half hour break between the You know the design awards and thing they'd play some house music or whatever and then the event starts And this is you know the the first time I went I had no idea of this one element of it and you know some At some point during the thing an audience member will go up to a microphone and say I'd like to earn some points for the audience by identifying a song and the host Mark would mark and fred were the two hosts fred huckson and mark. I can't remember mark's name. Anyway, um Mark would say okay great which song and then the person say I identified this song and what they were talking about was the songs that played between the apple design awards and the beginning of stump the experts was a Carefully crafted playlist of very obscure music that most people have never even heard before And it was a nice way to sort of pad the point tally for the crowd if you happened to know one of these super obscure songs And one year the year that they had released the iphone development kit, but We had not yet launched apps like the dev kit came out in like march I think of that year the app store was coming. So the iphone was was brand new or you know less than a year old just about a year old and And the app store was coming and so developers had been able to start developing their apps ahead of Wwc so they could come and actually interact and ask questions and learn things and it wasn't just all brand new at dub dub So they had had the dev kit for a few months and one guy goes up to the Microphone says i'd like to identify a song and mark says great which one and he says All of them and proceeds to list all of the songs 100 accurately in order and mark is standing up there with his jaw on the floor and then because His personality and all that he's like you cheated. How did you get a copy of the list? Right. He's like that's like i'm the only one that saw that in my itunes library up until like, you know 20 minutes before this whole thing began He's like, how did you get that list who gave it to you and the guy's like? I swear i didn't cheat and he's like, how did you know all those songs? He says, oh, I didn't I made an app and that app was shazam So it was literally made to scratch this one itch for this one event And then obviously they went on to to do very well and and and then in 2018 apple acquired shazam and now it's built into the os and One piece of advice you can you can still install the app But the functionality is there if you simply uh, like, you know, uh, Andrew did if you simply ask the s lady and I have to be careful now because I put the ios 17 beta on my phone So I can't yeah, so I have to do is see. Yeah, I gotta go I gotta go change that Yeah, I haven't had a I haven't had a misfire yet, but it's been not, you know, like 12 hours so Because I didn't want to do it until I got back from my travels. I wanted my phone to be reliable While I was traveling so but if you ask it it will use the shazam, you know functionality to Sir listen and then tell you it searches the music genome database and tells you you know what the song is And so which was open source before like that shazam. They did not build the database. They just built the the Interface that the app to it. Yeah, it's a link and pull it together. So That all that functionality is there you can still download the shazam app for free from the app store And then you have, you know, a search history and all of that So if you want that that's how you would do that But what I did was you can add a shazam Widget if you want to call it that to the control center And so I have it on the top row of my control center On my phone. So if I want to know what a song is I don't have to say anything out loud And I can quickly just swipe down tap the shazam logo and instantly now it's listening And I have added no noise or really much distraction to the you know the room and it's just like oh, yeah There it is and it you know five seconds later or whatever it listens to enough processes it. Yeah, so the The shazam widget as it were yeah, yeah the shazam widget, you know, yeah, and yeah so you can you can customize your control center again in settings And now it's just settings control center and you can it's called music recognition, but it has the shazam logo And you can add it to your control center and then of course you can reorder things so that the Things are where you want them. I have code scanner as my first widget Music recognition as my second one Apple tv remote as my third and calculator as my fourth Because those are the widgets that I use the most so they are across the row of the top four and I can get to those Very quickly so yeah, I use my camera as my code scanner so it just oh, but see code scanner is one step better than camera because With camera you have to open it up and then you've got to use your finger to tap the code Right with code scanner as soon as it recognizes a code Boom it jumps to the link that the that the code Is there and that is built in this is not a a third-party app. This is part of the phone So let me get the quick tip spanner back up at the bottom. Yeah, exactly, right? Like yeah, there's another quick tip that is awesome Yep, okay Yep, so there was there was a benefit to this shazam origin story. It turns out there was some tips baking baked in here So big in yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeper Paul has our next question here. Pete and paul asks And I will I will bring this up. I swear He says I've got a macbook pro circa 2017 That can run up to big sir. I've decided to give it to my sister Following apple's directions I wiped and reinstalled the os and I created a new apple id for her Perfect I set up iCloud and set up the app store with that apple id When I try to download pages for example, the app store says that I need mac os 12 3 I can find no way to get an older version of pages onto this mac and of course this mac cannot run The os required for the current version of pages Searching the web indicates tough cookies Is it really true that I can't set up one of my macs for a family member with a new apple id? And have it be able to use the old versions of pages keynote in numbers that I was using on this computer Before I wiped it and gave it to her. Can you help? Pete I answered it and I think I said sadly uh paul This is this isn't going to be an easier straightforward one, but but I believe it can be done Ideally your sister already had an apple id. Don't know how old she is uh and and had a version And that would be the best way to go but right if your apple id was on there paul You could download these because you have access to the old versions in your account, right? That's exactly it. Yeah, okay. He has access to it But I he said, you know, he did my a new one for my sister and said if she has another one That would be the best way to go but assuming her new apple id is not associated with the previous version of of the os and pages Uh, he needs to create a user account on that machine with his apple id and give it admin privileges So he can affect all the accounts then open the mac store download the pages You know with the go to go to pages and use the get button and it should pull up a previous version by go You know going to the bottom In fact, I wrote down steps in order. So let me read them real quick If I do you already downloaded pages from the mac app store in the past Open the mac app store Click on your account and at the bottom this will give you access to the purchased pane Locate pages and initiate the download from there and you'll see the message telling you that the latest version is incompatible So it will download and install the previous Yet compatible version But note here that the latest version of pages my understanding is that it's restricted It's not it's possible to edit shared documents on the desktop app. You can open them Sure, but you can't save the changes. So to do that, you're gonna have to use pages on iCloud On the web edit and share. Yes. I cloud dot com. Yes Version of pages and then you can edit and share documents that way. So All that being said, I I haven't tried it This is from my my search and research on how to do this That that seems the way to do it. So so I said so in short You're not forced to upgrade hardware and operating systems by apple unless you don't want to go through the daily hassles I'm just saying, you know, yeah so So I think that's brilliant though. That's the way to do it with a separate user account that you just because once you get those on there Then they're there for everyone share them across all accounts, right? Yes. Yeah, they're by default. They would be shared across all accounts. Yeah So me thinks that's how to work it. Oh, dude. No, I like that that's great I that's really It's that separate user account. I don't know that I would have thought of that I would have been like, all right. Well, let's log her out of the app store I'll log me in which you could do and download them and all that but but like it starts to convolute things This keeps it nice and clean and yeah Plus it gives you it gives you it preserves a test account On that computer that has admin access and that's never a bad thing to have either So, absolutely. Huh? I like it I like it. Yeah So, uh, um We got another question from I tried to mispronounce the name. So here here. I'll try and get it right this time Something from discord. Yeah. All right. Sure. Uh through discord gbril wrote. Is anyone used trip mode To limit data usage on the mac will connect it to a hotspot Suggestions on other or better apps to do this and dave. You've got it. This is the only way In my humble opinion Well, I mean trip mode is a great app. I've used trip mode before Um, it is I think we mentioned it as a cool stuff found years ago It allows you to choose which apps are able to use wi-fi data and which apps are not And it stops it at the like at the network level right there I can see on the website that it's even fully compatible with macOS sonoma, which isn't even released yet So it very up to date. I've used this. Uh, I did use it in the past when tethering I've also used it when i'm on like a crappy wi-fi network and I need to do a specific thing So I will turn off like software updates and all the other things However, nowadays Um, I've been using for especially for gbril's purpose. I've been using apple's low data mode Which you find in the wi-fi settings now This only turns on For your current session with that wi-fi network I've found that if I go you go into You know system settings You go to you go to wi-fi you hit the little i next to the the network that you're on And you have a few options you can you know automatically join You can limit ip address tracking and there is an option for low data mode And this is a a single setting. So you don't get the granularity that trip mode gives you So you may still want to use trip mode, right? But uh, but you're this low data mode setting will stop You know background operations and and all of that from uh from happening So I've used this with great success when tethering recently But what I notice is when I disconnect and reconnect the low data mode setting is turned back off So you have to think about it And you might not even notice that you've disconnected and reconnected from a tethered network because that just happens sometimes So you might like trip mode But but certainly if you don't have it installed and you don't want to burn data downloading it because you're on that connection Turn on low data mode that will that will save you there. So oh, that's yeah Well, I'm glad you mentioned that it only happens for that session. It wouldn't have occurred to me I would have thought well once I turned it on for that network Same. I don't know how I found that out. I'm sure it was the hard way, but yes Yeah, I know I used nine and a half of my 10 gigs last month Yes, yeah, right, right. Yeah, I was on the road a lot You know, I'm I'm gonna use it and and boy, that's nice though to be able to do that 10 gigs is very very nice so um Hey, Dave Sean wrote in and asked uh, I have a question about the apple watch I'm 53 years old and I was looking at the series eight as it comes with some health monitoring features I know it's techy cool, but I'm wondering on your thought Wondering your thoughts on is it worth it? Basically, I'm wanting a no BS assessment on it I I don't need the latest shiny thing But I do want something practical. I like swimming and I see it's waterproof and water resistance for that water resistant for that so, um Get you one, man. I yeah, well next my So here's my advice and I and I will point out For those of you coming back around that we are recording this episode on the 25th of august it'll come out on the 28th of august of 2023 And though it has yet to be announced as far as I'm aware at this moment in time Uh, there is almost certainly an apple event happening within the next couple of weeks Where new iPhones and new watches will be announced so I would not buy a new iPhone or a new watch today Unless I absolutely had to just buy it today Today's the the correct day for me to buy then I would buy and if I were going to buy A watch I would almost always buy the latest version And this is because unlike with iPhones. I don't always get A new watch when a new model comes out I have only owned two apple watches in my life Uh, I've owned the series zero And the series five and I'm still using the series five. In fact last year I bought a series eight when we got you your ultra and all that pee And I and then I I you know it arrived and I was like I don't need Like it's not for the way I use it. I'm not going to notice any Difference here. I have the always on screen with the the series five, which I really like And that's it and so I um So I therefore I don't always buy the the latest one Every year I don't buy a new watch every year But whenever I buy a watch it will be the latest one like that There's there's no question in my mind that buying the latest version because they last me so long Makes sense get the all the latest technology that you can have so that three years down the road You've still got hopefully what you need Um, so I I would you know if it were today and you needed to buy a watch today Then yes the series eight, but otherwise I would go for the series nine And I might buy the series nine next month. I will see what they announced with it Um, it you know see see what's new with it and all yeah, man I'll tell you what they they are amazing little devices. Uh, you can get the ekg Oh, yeah The heart rate monitor, um, and I know apple has covered these stories, but but I actually know somebody who is he He's one of those guys who if you ask him what time it is he will tell you how to build a watch Uh, he he's retired, but we were flying together one day and I said it You know What's the difference between the l nav minimums and the v nav minimums on the approach because you know They're 20 feet apart. Sure Well 45 minutes later he quit telling me the difference between I'm like, I'm sorry. I asked Great guy, but that that's just to point out How detailed that this is a guy who would sit and read the honeywell manual on how the computer works in the Sure, uh vana jump seat because that's what he liked to do. That's what it's nobody's into sure Yeah, so he was biking one day and he always he wrote his same bike same path And he knew that at this point his heart rate was within, you know, five beats a minute Sure here and there that sort of thing and he was biking one day and he's like My heart rate is off by like 30 beats a minute from where it should be and I'm putting the same effort in He went to the hospital and and it saved his life Um, it in that case it didn't tell him He was that attuned to where his heart should be and all that sort of thing But I know apple has told these stories on many occasions You know, it comes up and says hey, we're noticing something you may want to Get checked out here and people have gone and said yeah, you you had a widowmaker ready to go or you know, whatever it is Oh, yeah So the the The benefits of having this thing Is even even just from that standpoint let alone the convenience of it. I I will say I sleep monitor and I mentioned that I put the Uh, the beta on my phone. I also put the the current beta on my watch last night And I have to say the user interface changes that they've made on the watch Are already and like I am literally 12 hours out at this point in time from using From having it on my watch. It went on my watch while I slept. So I've really only had like an hour with it The user interface changes that they made are spectacular. You press the digital crown And it pulls up your app list now. Okay, great. You press the Side button whatever that other button is called the flat button on your watch That now brings up control center on your watch Which is so much better. I can't tell you how you used to be able to bring how I used to bring up control center I would just swipe around from different edges until it appeared from the bottom up for those that are listening There it is. Yeah, I always got that wrong Right. Yeah, so having control center being able to pop up with the push of a button so that I can jump into theater mode Or you know, whatever mode I need to be in that's awesome And then you spin from the watch face if you spin the crown Widgets appear and that's also what happens if you swipe up from the bottom Which is a far more intuitive thing because they're like sort of the same thing is happening Notifications still come down from the top. It's really Like and I'm doing this off the top of my head without my watch on my wrist to confirm And I can remember what to do whereas previously I've had a watch since the series zero came out couldn't have told you how to do any of these things I would have just been like, oh just swipe around until you get there So I'm I'm stoked about these these user interface changes the user experience changes for the watch. So yeah, yeah, yeah Yep That is fascinating. I I don't think I ever knew that notifications came by swiping down from the top See what I'm saying another quick tip Yep, hold on Yeah, you got to do it. Absolutely man. Absolutely. Yeah, all right It is uh, it is almost football season american football season In fact, I think we're in pre games now or pre-season games or whatever it is And this always seems to be the time that live TV streaming Questions start coming into us So I wanted to kind of get ahead of this This year because there there is at least one new option on the table for this So as far as I know here in the united states, there are now four options for getting your Local channels with your sports, which is what a lot of people wind up paying To get this from you know, you can football is the one thing that we can't just pay the nfl And get a stream for it here in the united states At least not to my knowledge if anybody out there knows how to do that Please let me know but I don't think it's I don't think we can do it other countries can do this For us football games We don't get to and it's because they have long-term contracts with the networks and and the networks are holding on to them You know you're going to have to pry this from their cold dead fingers because when you do pry it from their fingers Regardless of whether the networks are alive or dead this will kill them Because or it will force them to change dramatically because it's the one thing that keeps people sort of tied to to live tv or one of the big things So there are Four now last year I would have talked about three that would Most likely get you what you are looking for in terms of streaming live tv with sports And that those three were and and still are youtube tv direct tv stream and fubo The fubo is fubo and direct tv stream Unlike youtube tv Will also get you most of your regional sports networks. It's not as big of a deal for For most football games, although in some corners of the country it is But it is a big deal for other sports stuff youtube tv Does not let you get regional sports networks anymore There is a new player in this realm and it is hulu plus live tv Hulu plus live tv doesn't have as many of your regional sports networks But it does have your your local stations and you can go to each of these well before you buy and Uh and and look to see what networks you would get youtube tv Is 73 bucks hulu plus live tv is 70 bucks us fubo is 75 dollars us And then direct tv stream is a hundred bucks you get more with it But depending on whether you care about the more you may not care. So Uh, so go ahead go ahead. Yep youtube tv is the one this year that has sunday ticket Direct tv i think lost it. I don't think you can get sunday ticket through direct tv stream anymore. Okay Um, but i know youtube tv has sunday ticket this year now. That's an extra that that costs 300 bucks or so extra Yep, you can get that with i i'm i'm pretty sure You can get Some of that with fubo with the others as well. Oh, okay. Well because um, I think it's the No nfl network has a red zone channel, which is similar but not the same. So the red zone channel is always good. Uh, you uh Sunday ticket has a similar. I forget if they call it but it's similar to the red zone channel Which anytime there's a team there's you know four games six games going on When a team gets into the red zone close to scoring They go to that game and so they keep updating all day long And if there's only one game on then that's what they stay with right right right Um, yeah, those are uh, those are good options. Yeah. Yeah, yeah um mark m in the chat points out that the nfl network offers nfl plus for $39.99 a year Which gets you live local and prime time regular and post season games. So Live local not all games, but your local ones Only on your phone and tablet Well, and my guess is that they've engineered it such that it won't go over hdmi. I haven't tested this. I will Oh, yeah, I bet because they can I bet do that. However, you should be able to Don't get old it's bad for your memory What is it when you're screen sharing Dave? Airplay airplay you should be able to airplay it to your I don't I don't know I've I haven't tried it with this But I have seen it with other things where it's it's blocked. Yeah apple watch it on my big screen in the backyard Correct, correct. Yeah, I I think we'll we'll test this. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just finding out about this now Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they say that um, you know, some games are subject to blackouts and this that and the other thing So, yeah Yeah, I'll tell you what though. There are two there are two other Services that I want to make sure we get to here. These are without your local channels So they probably won't serve the sports needs But if that's not what you need live tv for then uh sling tv is five fifty five dollars and philo Is twenty five dollars a month. So those are other options to check We will put I will put links to all of these of course in the show notes at mackey keb.com I will also put a link to a an article that I found at clark.com that compares all of these With a beautiful chart that really kind of lets you see pricing and uh, you know, all of the various Various things you get your local channels. How many simultaneous streams? How many user profiles? How they're all of these allow dvr in the cloud? And you know like some of many of them are unlimited Uh sling is limited to 50 hours. So that's radically different from like youtube tv is unlimited or even fubo pros 1,000 hours. So Go through it'll show you the number of channels they have. It's a it's a handy little chart. So, yeah Yeah, and we just moved my daughter into an apartment with three other girls. Okay, and They've got I think about four million three hundred and twenty six thousand channels between because one has Hulu and one has netflix and one has youtube tv and it's it's so they've got so much just by each one of them paying for one thing Yes, yeah, you know, they've got they've got a gazillion choices. It's just uh, that's awesome That's awesome. Yeah, that's that's the way to do it. So share if you can I know netflix Started putting the kibosh on sharing your pass. Yes, and and I found like we have fubo That's the one we've chosen to pay. We also have direct tv stream because as I've mentioned They gave me a three month free account like three years ago. Um And they haven't turned it off three months is almost up. They've like three months is any point in time My three months might be up, which is why I've like I'm I'm the fool here No, because I've continued to pay for fubo all the way through because I know the day I choose not to let fubo renew the quarterly rates on fubo are way cheaper than monthly So I pay quarterly, but I know the quarter I choose not to renew Um, will be the quarter where my direct tv stream like account is Dave. Yeah, I got a question Yeah, so if you were to stop paying for fubo Yeah, and direct tv were to cut off How long would it take you to start paying for fubo again? Just asking for a friend um Probably Probably pretty it would probably happen pretty quickly. We do we do use it quite a bit Mostly with the channels app like it does most of it. So we aren't interacting directly with fubo, but but yeah Yeah, yeah, there there are there have been a few months where I've realized we have not watched anything on live tv though Which is why fubo's quarterly pricing is um much less expensive than its monthly pricing. I'm sure yeah, so um But yeah, yeah, it's I forget where I was going with this. I'm totally distracted now I was going to bring us the cool stuff found. No, it's um But fubo, so oh, I know where I was going with it. So um When our son was out at reed college in portland before they fubard their computer science department It's worked out for him. He's got a full-time job as a software engineer now. So it like life's good Uh, he found a path, which is great. Um And he starts monday today the day the show comes out. So whoo um When he was out in portland using our fubo account, it was interesting they did let him do it um When we had a youtube tv account that one complained a lot that like you're not in the right location You shouldn't be doing this. It was very fubo was like you're not in the right location and therefore You don't get to watch live Game live football games from Uh from home, right? Like you like I was in los angeles. I couldn't watch the patriots game I was going to only be but you could have watched the patriots game after it ended You could watch your recording of it, right? But not while it was happening live And so he had to figure out other ways to to watch those live and it was fine Like we we set him up with channels and that was the way to do it because channels doesn't doesn't care Yeah, yep, so Yeah, uh, so just bear that in mind if you're going to be doing sharing where you're not in the same General area, so But yeah, yeah, that works out. All right, let's go to some cool stuff found shall we But folks send in I I'm curious as to how you folks are using Your uh, you know how you're solving for live tv and all of that stuff and and what your use case is Because we all have different use cases feedback at mac ekeb.com is is where we want to hear from you Well, that's where I'd send it feedback at mac ekeb.com. Yeah, man feedback at mac ekeb.com. All right, you want to bring us to chris I do chris wrote in he says just a follow-up on inoculoso Mac mini from monday show using and this is important the non mac app store version of Daisy disc you can scan the max hard drive as an administrator and see the space taken up by the system files Snapshots as well as other users folders. This has been a super useful tool for me Who up until recently has shared a mac with my partner as a separate user? And that's the one it was driving me nuts when we were talking about that I could not remember Daisy disc and the non mac app store version is is the way to go That thing will show you your Yeah, if Dave has it up on the screen if you can watch it on video facebook youtube Go there and look at this show you can see what it looks like it it has It's cool. Yeah, it is cool. It has like a circular pie chart almost but you just hover over That huge large file there with your mouse and it tells you oh, this is the file This is the user file. This is what it is and it shows you where it is and how many gigabytes it is And I I believe Dangerously, it will allow you to go there to delete it. Oh, I like that's what to me That's one of its best features is you can just delete right from there. It's like, oh, I don't need that anymore. Boom Go on be better. You better careful. You do not delete an entire user Yes, that's right because you can Yep. Yeah, you can yeah as long as you're running it as an administrator Which which as chris points out you can do so. Yeah, that's great. Yep um I tried out a new app. Well, it's not that new but it's seen significant updates since the last time I I used it it's an app called flighty And it is a flight tracking app. I I am a big fan of the flight aware app for for tracking where planes are it's It requires some manual uh clicking and and like you you have to like to find where your plane Is before it gets to the airport where you're going to get on it Flight aware requires some sort of jankiness jumping around flighty Does this sort of automatically and for the 25 hours before Your plane takes off for you It starts tracking where that plane is because that is one of the biggest sources of flight delays is your equipment not being there Right your airplane you're you're in chicago. Your plane is on the ground in Des Moines with a mechanical Guess where you're not leaving from right? You're not leaving from chicago unless they change your equipment which sometimes happens But sometimes but not often right because they this is a very Choreographed dance. Yeah. Yeah. Don't just have extra airplanes laying around at every airport Correct, right, right. So there was that but the thing I really liked about flighty was how it integrated with my phones both lock screen and the The the the bubble at the top what do we call that stupid thing at the top of that notch The notch thing at the top right because you can like they can put things up there And it showed me on my lock screen. I had a fairly detailed uh display of where my flight was You know the time to uh To get on it if it was going to be delayed like all that stuff But even as I was just using my phone the little notch at the top Showed me my gate number that I needed to get to and this was only you know a couple hours before the flight Right, like it didn't do this for days my gate number and how much time I had until that plane took off At little countdown timer right up in the notch. So it was super handy at the airport. It was like, wait, what's my gate? Oh, right. It's right there. I think tripped Should Be inspired by this This kind of lock screen integration. I would love because I pay for trip it Which is one of my favorites flight Flighty is not inexpensive. It's about 50 bucks a year for a I'm looking at at their pricing here. Yeah, it's 50 but 49 dollars a year for an annual Uh subscription 250 for a lifetime If you want to do it for your family, it's 89 dollars for the year or 449 for lifetime So again, like, you know, that's real money Valuable, but I with already paying for trip it. I'm like, do I really need this? You know, how much is this extra little bit worth to me? But I really liked it. They give you your first flight your first one's free Uh, so I got my first flight for free What's really cool is that you can link it to your calendar and it will slurp in flight data from Your calendar so you don't have to manually enter flights, but of course you can And then you can be part of other people's Trip it. I'll call it your like the family but you can share group, right? That not trip it share group the flighty share group where You can just automatically share your flights with other people. So you don't have to say Oh, yeah, by the way, here's my flight for today. Here's my flight for today You can just say, yeah, the me and and these four other people we're just going to share, you know, our flight data together or whatever it is So That's very cool. It's cool. I I'm uh, yeah, I I'm I'm curious to see If I choose to pay for it before my next flight There is a non-zero chance that that will happen and it's probably a whole lot greater Look at that and play with that a little bit. I've been at the at the risk of bringing in another one I've always used flight radar 24 and i'm not sure that that gives you where's my airplane, right? It doesn't yeah ahead of time But the cool thing about that one is you can take your iphone and point it in an airplane flying over and see Oh, well, that's uh, you know, that's delta flying to dusseldorf. We use that at the very first um Matt midwest mac barbecues standing in barry's yard We had like four of us with with our phones in the air because we knew you were landing at o' hair And uh, and we found you so which was kind of fun. Yeah, yeah You were flying very fast over us though p very fast You know, I was in a hurry. I was trying to get there trying to get to the barbecue. That's right. I'm gonna be late So the other cool thing about flight radar 24 It does have a disruption map So you can see you know where the delays are in the world where ground stops are and that kind of thing Oh, cool. Yeah, that's kind of neat Yeah, flighty has ground maps too. Like it'll show planes taxiing and I didn't know that that data was publicly available so Like that was interesting. Yeah, um Yeah, uh flight aware does that I thought I could be wrong Maybe it may be and maybe the pro version of flight aware I use the free version of flight aware, but it gives me my notifications that you know When the pilot filed the flight plan, uh, if there are delays I get those before I get them from trippet or even from the airlines. So yeah I think once you block out that all that ads be starts getting picked up from your transponder to the to the fAA system So if there weren't enough watch words and acronyms in the shell already, yeah, sorry about that And ads be is uh, I'm not going to try and remember the exact Thing but it's essentially there's a transponder Which is a radio that sends a four-digit code to air traffic control system. So they can identify you on the screen and uh ads be allows you to See other aircraft and then to see you it's part of the t-cast system. This I can remember traffic Collision and avoidance system, which actually has airplanes computers talking to each other So if you're heading nose to nose right at each other It my airplane will start saying descend it descend now and it'll the other airplane will go climb climb now So you get away from each other. It's fascinating and that's why Uh, uh near hits not near misses because they are misses. They're real misses near hits Yes, they are real misses. Yeah, there are more misses than hits With the congested air system that is out there today because these computers are talking to each other and much more efficient And it's actually our rule if air traffic control tells me Descend now and my computer or my t-cast says climb now The rule is I listen to the computer. Wow. I disregard air traffic control It's faster more efficient and it's talking to the other airplane. It's telling him right, right, right atc tells me to descend No, no, I'm climbing. I'm following my computer and that will Fascinating there was actually a case many years ago. We're an air traffic controller Told a guy to descend and so he did even though his airplane was telling him to climb and there was a midair and Destroyed both airplanes. Yeah, it was bad. I'm not I don't want you to change anything But your wi-fi has been awful during this show. I know at times. Okay. All right. Yep. I figured you might you might have become aware of that Yes, it mostly fine on the audio mostly fine on the audio I heard it once there, which is why I figured I I acknowledge it but uh I have one last cool stuff found before we pull the ripcord maybe two um spider medics says his router uh their router I don't know if spider medics gender uh spider medics router recently died and spider medics This is uh in discord says while shopping around online. I found that best buy is offering 15 Off of a new router if you bring in an old router So I brought in an old tp link travel router that was probably 15 years old and saved 50 bucks off of a new router It's pretty easy to find old routers. So if you're in the market for a new one It might be worth digging around in your closet for a piece of 2.4 gigahertz gold I love it. Nice. Yeah, I wonder if you know, I found that little it's about four by four inches That little airport express. Yeah used to haul around with me. That's a router That's that is a router. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yep. So he's a 2.4 gigahertz old 1900 Yep, nice. So I do have one more. We do have time for uh another one from ben We've talked a lot about e sim db Ben says last weekend I got married uh at a place in california, which is a Verizon dead zone But has good at and t reception and of course ben uses visible which is a Verizon mvno So no service. So in prep for that I went looking for an e sim that supports at and t says I started with e sim db because we talk about it all the time But it does not make it easy to determine which networks are used by any given sim And so he found e sims.io. So that's e s i m s.io Of course linked from mac keekeb.com, which does show the networks that most e sims use Uh, he says that led him to discover nomad, which sells prepaid data only sims and the ones for the u.s Are simultaneously compatible with Verizon at and t and t mobile He says I paid 11 bucks for three gigs of nomad data and it served all of his needs. Thank you for that That's great. I love finding more things to find out about e sims because it is a thing That we all seem to be using quite a bit these days so Yeah, and with that peat it's time to bring the band in Here they come here. They come there. They there they were here. They are Yeah Fun one folks They're not on stage with us though. No, they're not below the stage. They're below the stage That's right. They're yeah, they can't see what we're doing. They just have to trust somebody told them play And so they played right so maybe they've been playing this whole time That was a behind the scenes and we had a discussion pre-show about Dave playing a gig tonight And he's actually on the stage and that's a good thing It's supposed to be below the stage where he can't see the performers Yeah theater theater shows where the band can't see the performers is it's very strange for at least this particular Musician so thankfully yeah this weekend we well by the time the show comes out the run is over but doing rocky horror midnight performances of it and Yeah, it's it's it's nice to be able to you've never seen the show that blows my mind Officially have never seen rocky horror. Of course. I've seen it from upstage center where the drums are but But I have never been an audience member for rocky horror. 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