 The tides of life are an endless cycle, merging man and God as one. Alright, what's up everyone? I'm here with Tony Lane Casterly. We are at Brain Mind at Stanford. We got a chance to hang out together. It's been a while since we featured Tony on our show. How long has it been? It's been like six months. Yeah, it's not six. Maybe five? Yeah, four or five. Okay, it's been a little while. So first thing that we started talking about was about light, dark, about masculine feminine, about inter-dimensionality, just about all these different forces that exist that it's difficult to put a tangible grasp on. So let's keep diving into what we were talking about because it's been so fascinating. Sure. Yeah, so we were talking about, I mean this conversation really started with the idea of what is the human relationship to consciousness in the perspective of time. You were saying, I feel like light forces are coming into the world, right? And they're just like, we're conquering that age of darkness. And my follow-up to that was, have you ever heard of the Hindu concept of time as a Yuga? Yeah. So the Yuga is basically break time up into four different dimensions, starting with the Satya Yuga and ending with the Kali Yuga. And the difference between Hindu time and our spatial relationship to time is like one line. You know time, by the way, we get into time because time isn't a line really or a circle. Time is a dot. Time is a dot and it's happening all at once. It's just that different dimensions of consciousness perceive time differently based on the amount of consciousness that that subjective consciousness is perceiving the holistic consciousness with. But yeah. Okay, okay, this is, this is getting into, we need to break down. We need to break this down. Okay. All right, unpack, unpack. So, all right, so we have time as a dot, time all happening at once at the same time. And when you kind of made this point earlier, we think in a very earth-centric way. Yeah. And so because of that, we have this sort of timeline of time. Yeah. But is the universe not 13.8 billion years old? Well, not exactly. So I mean, when we, but we're, when you say the universe, right, we have no idea the spectrum of the known universe. There might not even be a starting or a stopping point, right, in this. It might not be that something has to be created for it to exist, right? So there are some, there are some questions we just simply don't know the answer to yet. And if you look at eastern, I don't know if you know what a Vajraha is. A Vajraha is this little symbol. It looks kind of like a barbell, except it's very small in the center and it has these two big orbs on the side. So it looks kind of like this. And the Vajraha actually symbolizes in eastern culture the nature of our relationship to the universe. That the universe kind of has this point and it expands and then it contracts and then it peters down and then it begins to expand again and contract again. And that's the nature, yeah. So the whole, the whole, we're going to the heat death or the cold death. We're going towards some death is potentially inaccurate that it might just go down to a bottleneck and come back up as another birth. And then the multiverses as well and then interdimensionality. Wherever your spirit or your soul lives, it's just living in this physical form right now. Is that right? Well, the Egyptians have no word for death. So they actually call, if you read like, I don't know if you've read the Tibetan Book of the Dead or the Egyptian Book of the Dead, they don't actually say dying. They call it walking. Like your soul is walking from one life to another. And if you look at Buddhist, like if you look at Buddhist literature, when they talk about, I actually asked this question of, well, what happens to life? Like if a soul decides it doesn't want to come back as a human, right? If a soul leaves its body and it just goes, it just becomes energy, what happens to that energy? And the response that I received was that, that energy goes back to all living things. If a soul fully transcends its body, that energy goes back to all living things. So it's the idea of, there's this story called the egg. If a soul transcends its body. Yes. So you have to go through a transcension process in order to attain this walking? Well, so there's a difference between walking and a soul like transcending its body to the extent that it becomes other forms of energy. So if your soul is walking, then it means your soul has the intention to come back and experience the physical realm again, like as a bodhisattva. But if your soul just becomes a form of energy, then that energy goes back to all forms of life. So you might imagine that your soul is potentially made up of every other soul that exists on earth because every time someone touches you, they leave an imprint. It's as if imagine every time you have an exchange with someone, a really powerful, meaningful, deep exchange of energy, that they take a piece of their fingerprint and they leave it on you. And that fingerprint transcends with you through the dimension of time. Who you are molded in my mind. And also in my physical body. In your body. And in my physical body and in the energy that inhabits this body, the energy that exists outside of what can be measured in physical form, non-physical matter. There is an entire dimension of non-physical matter that exists in the world of lucid dreaming and OBEs that we have yet to understand or quantify through science. And that's only one dimension of our quantum consciousness, right? Consciousness is not just confined to the human form. There's so many layers of this, but from a basic standpoint, if you have a lucid dream, if you have an out of body experience, you still exist, right? But do you exist physically? No. You exist as a form of energy. And that energy is not necessarily, it's still attached to your body through what we call like the string of light. The string of light. Yeah. So it hasn't fully, if you ever see your body in and out of body experience, a lot of people will describe this phenomenon called the string. And it's a string that is tethering, you can actually see this in Greek mythology. Do you, does the string get cut when? So I was going to say, what did the faiths do? Have you ever seen Hercules, the Disney movie? Yeah. You know how there are those three ladies that are like, and they all have the one eyeball that they use and they share. And the fates all use their one eyeball to see in different ways. And then whenever a soul goes to the underworld, the fates pull a string and one of them cuts it. And that is when the soul leaves the body, right? So, and there's a big difference between having that thread cut and actually deciding, making the conscious decision to leap. This is why books like the Tibetan Book of the Dead are actually instruction manuals for the soul to move through the dimension of actually leaving your physical body. There's a ton of literature on this. It's just that we, we haven't actually adopted this in popular Western science because we don't have the tools to measure phenomenons that we understand to be inherently true as human beings. We are about to augment the scientific method and get us to the next iteration of, yeah, being able to understand this. This is, I stopped using the word esoteric because I think when you label it as more difficult to understand, it draws people maybe away from it. So rather I maybe were maybe starting to use something more like just, it's divine and it's, and it requires practice of communicating like this and feeling like this in order for it to become more true and embodied. It's like embodied wisdom, but it's, but it's got lost over time due to focus on economics and politics and. Well, and really our, it's, it actually has to do as well with our Earth's relationship to the cosmos, right? So we were talking about the Yugos earlier and we have the Satya Yuga, which is like the gold mage. It's the Garden of Eden. It's described as the period of time where gods and goddesses reign. When was that? So the Satya Yuga is actually represented as the period of time we're entering into from 2012 to 2018 is the transition window into the Satya Yuga from the Kali Yuga. And the Kali Yuga is the age of degradation, basically. It's the golden calf, the worshiping of false idols, degradation, materialism, the loss. We're heading into that? No, no, no. We just left it. We just left it. So the Mayan prophecy, if you look at the Mayan calendar. How do we know that information? Like, how do we, how do we know that? How did they know that? Was this thousands of years old? It's ancient wisdom. I mean, really ancient wisdom and, and, you know, languages that in so many ways I call this the forgotten period of history. Because if we knew it was this good at one point in human history, if we would have known it had once been this good, I don't think we'd spend our time getting lost in all that darkness, right? But we, again, have not had the tools to transcend our Earth's relationship to the cosmos or the center of energy in the universe. And so we're locked into this cycle, right? Whether, you know, consciously or unconsciously for, for some or others. And so the Mayan calendar ends in 2012, not because it was meant to represent, you know, this like the world will end, but that this is the end of that particular age. The part of the sun orbiting the center of the Milky Way? You know, I don't, I don't want to say the Milky Way, because I think that that is a really minute, like it's a known thing. The Milky Way is a... The Milky Way orbiting something else or getting pushed away from all the other galaxies that might, minus Andromeda, just that the energies of the universe? I don't know, I don't know exactly. How do they know this information? How do they know 2012, 2018 is... Yes, the difference between Eastern Marshall McLuhan even talks about this, the reversal of the Eastern and Western mentality. And the Western mentality is very much about measurement, logic, rigor, focus, like the idea of the self and the Eastern mentality is very much about the intuitive perspective and the understanding of the collective. This is why if you even look at Mandarin, Chinese symbols, most of these symbols are intuitive symbols. And one little inflection can change the whole contextual relationship to a word. And so we're moving back into this Eastern understanding is represented by ideas like Buddhism, Hinduism, where our concept of our relationship to consciousness is actually shifting. Right? And so, yeah, I think that's really, and like I was saying earlier, you know, we have as when we think about our earth, what we're thinking about is how do we measure our earth and the known things? Even what you were just saying, like to the Milky Way, like, can we measure our earth and then its relationship to the sun? And is that the center of energy in the universe? Or are we going to measure something else? And is that the center of energy? But it's all based on our logical understanding of what we can measure and perceive factually rather than the intuitive understanding, the sensing of something and the feeling of something and the feeling of something being understood so inherently as a collective that the feeling of something becomes known. Yeah. Right. And so it's really just a reversal of those mentalities that informs our relationship to the structures of logic we use to even formulate our scientific discovery. What would be something that we would collectively feel in order to gain some intuition about life and existence? So this is an interesting question because we're in this transition period where we have a lot of these still really Western methods being brought into this more collectivist mentality. Like if we look at the evolution of whether it's singularity theory, neural nets, you know, Harvard and other institutions have done studies on brain to brain communication, right? So we're seeing these tools of measurements now being used to transition into this new way of thinking and into being. If you choose to view your relationship to time as rather than the Earth as being on its own discrete timeline as the Earth being a very minute portion of an entire cosmology that exists outside of us. It's really more about understanding our place in the cosmos from the perspective of the cosmos than it is about understanding our place on the Earth in relation to what is known in measure. Yeah. Okay. So there's there's that one. So that that's a very important one. It's kind of it's taking the the cosmic perspective that is not Earth centric and it's not three-dimensional centric. Okay. So there's that. And then there's this whatever is going on between realms or dimensions that we don't understand what these forces are. Some people apparently understand them better. They figured out how to intuitively feel and tap into these places that are somehow Earth is a is Earth a place of free will? Do you think so? So I the line between free will and determinism is the same explanation I use. I was actually asked a question on a panel I was speaking on yesterday and the panel was social good uses for blockchain technology and we had the most amazing amazing moderator that I've actually ever worked with. And his initial question was you know talking about blockchain and social good rather than saying let's talk about blockchain in relation to social good. It was Eric van der Klee's and his relationship to rather than saying you know what are some social good use cases. He said what is good right. And so when we talk about free will and determinism you can't really have one without the other. And so it's really that you can't have bad without something to measure it against. So you can't have what is determined without a measurement of our free will and interacting with the spectrum of what could be determined. It's really like I'm trying to think of the best it's like a micellia right. Like a mushroom and the way that you watch or understand something to grow like there is a set pattern underneath that this will become a mushroom right. But if you really peer into the way in which something evolves like the pattern underneath all of this is so is so unbelievably dynamic right. I think I was talking about micellia when my friend called me but it's kind of like saying you know there are a million different ways for life to evolve and that on even this planet earth since we've been alive there could have been one action that happens when dinosaurs were here and that could have affected the evolution of hundreds of different kinds of species. Whatever occurred in the cosmos that sent that asteroid to impact earth whatever occurred it ended up enabling humans to be born. I think so what could that be what what what about now now we have all this existential threat mitigation you're counting right now. So I wrote this haiku about the meaning of life as relation in in relation to what you just said about existence and the asteroid and it is the tides of life the tides of life are an endless cycle merging man and god as one. That's pretty good I like that one. That's a really good one. And do you think that's happening on other planets orbiting stars? So that's an unanswered question that's an unanswered question and I think that there's certain questions that it's kind of like why would you want to ruin the fun? There are certain questions that you cannot know the answer to that question until you reach the state at which that question can be answered. So in in relation to kind of this free will and determinism and evolution it's as though there are certain forms of knowledge that cannot be known until an individual through their will has reached a space of knowing that allows that information to be able to be understood. It's as if you're a child and you are three years old and you have someone looking at you asking you to read Hegel and you're like whoa I'm three like what's up with like Sesame Street over here like I'm having a good time with Big Bird and Elmo and Oscar too. So we're unable to comprehend right now because we don't have the tools needed to go and investigate and figure it out. Okay well if the purpose is this continuous emerging of human with with God then higher states of consciousness. Yeah yeah humans with higher states of consciousness then have we not how do we know we haven't already reached that point and now you're just because we exist? Well yeah but you could yeah but you don't know if you're you don't know if you're existing in a base reality or not right now. But we exist and because we exist if we if if there was nothing left to learn and there was nowhere to evolve and there was nowhere to go every form of energy would transcend into a state of bliss that would say we're done like the puzzles then we've completed the puzzle here. Isn't that what it's going to feel like when we eradicate suffering that like oh cool the puzzle's complete now people don't have sickness from drinking contaminated water they have roofs over their heads isn't that going to be a good feeling why do we have to have this bad of of suffering in order to know what it feels like to not have suffering can we just not have suffering and still understand suffering just just through other experiences that teach us about it. Well I don't know if that's the point but that is one of the most important lessons you need to learn to evolve into a higher state of consciousness is the idea of seeing yourself outside of yourself and through the ability to see yourself into dimensionally your understanding that your relationship to the idea of suffering is you embodying illusion and when you're able to dispel the nature of your relationship to the illusion of existence then you're able to understand more about the true untouched nature of reality which is beyond that suffering. Let's see if I can break this down so so if I can unpack properly to your liking so so so if if I have if I don't have access to clean water and I get upset because I don't have access to clean water and I'm thirsty and I'm getting sick from drinking contaminated water that that suffering is a choice because I'm not transcending to a godlike level and a lot of what we need to do is figure out how to transcend to that godlike level. Not exactly like sort of yes but the like idea of the idea of a god like level and we understood our interdimensional being capacities and capabilities then we wouldn't be stuck worrying about this water we'd be like even if I die from drinking this contaminated water I'm an intergalactic interdimensional being and it doesn't matter that I die when I'm 10 or 40 or 100 and there are actually I mean if you dig really deeply into these gurus and monks there are people I have actually worked in specific with a priestess her name is Elania Forsberg she's Norwegian and I have I have physically seen her do acts of consciousness that I can only describe as extraordinary and metaphysical seeing seeing gurus take sickness out of people's bodies or being able to drink something contaminated without getting sick being able to pull a vehicle with their hair that is full of tons of bricks right there are feats that are possible that are unexplainable by a normal state of consciousness that are attainable to us as human beings and so there's only but there's really really makes me feel like I know nothing and I'm just leveraging so little of my potential the only thing we'll ever know is that we'll always be learning because the what we really know at the end of the day is nothing and when you realize you know nothing then you can deal with everything as it comes yeah because it's not about the knowing but it's about the balance between presence and our existence through time presence and our existence through time but time's happening all at once so time is a dot right like it's the idea that time is not happening and either we're both an eastern and western mentality time is a dot it's happening all at once and in many different dimensions uh the same story I was talking about earlier called the egg a man passes and talks to god and god tells man it's a very short story god tells this person that they're going to be sent back in time to 457 ad to live as a a peasant in a peasant farmer in china as a female persons as what and then god says yeah I mean you're everyone you're hitler and you're every person that he persecuted your jesus and you're every person that he saved you're also the people that killed him right and so time is happening all at once and our ability to see time or to see time in a different dimension than we perceive through physical existence is something that I have found to be more accessible to people through dreams like if you look at indigenous nations you have people that do these that have these visions visions that are actually understood to exist visions colloquially that are understood to actually happen in the real world and there are many prophecies and there are many visions that have been seen through these dreams and through the human relationship to consciousness beyond the dimension of what exists merely subjectively for us and so I find that lucid dreaming this lucid dreaming and these out of body experiences are a way for us to exist still within the state of our own consciousness while also transcending the nature of the present physical reality that exists around us and in doing that we begin to receive information in a different dimensional capacity and when we receive that information we begin to learn different lessons many of which are still um fortunately actually unmeasurable we as a human race in some ways are not uh it's like even if you evolve very far you gotta wait for everyone else to catch up you know it doesn't work that you evolve and then everyone else evolves any prophet that's ever lived could tell you that we have we're playing this endless game of catch up with the rest of the world but all of those people are a part of us too is that potentially also has something to do with maybe that that feeling of of taking on other people's emotional state or maybe when we that that we are part of them in that moment you were talking about it earlier like you have a space in my body and my mind because you are you and we've hung out this many times etc let's uh let's let's wrap up just uh this is this is very fascinating there's just there's something about this that i find to be a reoccurring thing now in my life yeah more so than ever before yeah and i think carrying a perspective of open-mindedness is very important for sure and that can lead us to having more of these conversations and a lot of it is the open-mindedness but also it's i think i would say it's almost the open-mindedness of the other person as well because there's open-mindedness on my end of asking you questions and being open to listening and learning yeah and there's the open-minded of the other person when i'm asking these questions to people that are that are not building things or talking about things that are very tangible in a sense but that are a little bit more like interdimensional and spiritual and stuff so i think it's open-mindedness is on their end as well in terms of just being okay with admitting that what they are saying might not be the 100 correct truth and nothing is that's kind of the beauty of life is that there is no 100 correct truth there are things are you breathing oxygen right now understand right there are things that we can understand right but they're all subjective things actually the oxygen example is a great one we're heart beating so someone use the example oxygen and gravity are two of my favorites right because someone says oh you're breathing oxygen right now so that must mean you're alive or you exist or you're here i said well you know oxygen isn't an absolute neither is gravity we just go a few bits outside the earth yeah we have neither oxygen nor yeah but what about your heart your heart's beating to keep you alive right well in a physical sense but i also exist in a body that doesn't have a heart where is that body that's the body you experience in dreams and i think that this open-minded body you experience yeah lucid dreaming out of body experience so when you become aware of yourself in a dream state then you are alive in the dream state and you are not conscious your physical you are lucid dreaming you're conscious but your physical form is not conscious but you're your physical form but your spiritual tether is in dream state and that is what's conscious okay so then your heart is still beating though but could we live so and i think here's the real question right the reason why i say no matter how much you know you'll never know anything we could evolve to a state of human life where we don't need our bodies to live and this is the i mean to give a transcend biology well to give the kind of like a dystopian example of this i mean where is where is neo in the matrix right there are a bunch of humans who believe that they're alive but they're just living in a vat yeah your body's in a vat which you could be right now yeah yeah and so it's one of these exactly so it's one of these ideas that when we say that we know i believe that we actually limit our ability to engage in research now can we do some of these super far out ideas uh in an immediate context can we execute on those and make those things real rapidly no i mean like i said it takes the evolution of all to reach of that point or the movement of all to reach a point of evolution right and so even if you move as one you can make enough impact as you you like as one to create the reality that you envision but it's really the movement of all that will change that i really liked what you described about how even though someone's moving forward at a very quick pace towards divinity let's say or merging with god that other people might not be coming as quickly and that is all us that is all us and that it is all it's all up to us to help raise that vibe collectively together one one last thing that i think was really important that you mentioned that we got to before we started recording which i thought was so interesting you were talking about this this uh this feminine and masculine compassion that exists yeah and it was funny because when you said that the feminine compassion of this like i love you i love you i care for you um that that sort of feeling and then i was like and then the masculine one is go execute go build and you were just like that's right and i was like wow i can't believe that that's so funny uh so unpack that just a little bit more yeah so we all embody these aspects of feminine and masculine compassion and feminine compassion is very much nurturing like i've got you you're safe i love you your health it's very womb like and there's a certain point that has to do with something about birth a decent amount uh in in a certain sense we were talking about the nature of our relationship to our capacities for intuitive intelligence and that in relation to childbirth and that why does it seem like women are more built for these intuitive capacities and men are more built for these logical capacities yeah yeah uh and i think they're yeah i think there's uh many different reasons for that and most but most importantly to touch to circle back and really touching what you said no matter what we think we know the only thing we'll ever know is that we'll always be learning and the only way that we can ever hope to learn is to accept within ourselves that what we know is nothing yes what we know is nothing we can we can understand something as law subjectively in a certain space and in a certain time in a subjective context but that law is not an absolute if you're traveling through the space of the the cosmos right it's like there's nothing there's there's not the same dimension of consistency between these different levels of our relationship to existence but masculine compassion right it's like at a certain point when the child has all of this safety and all this love and all of the security and all of the nurturing it's like okay i want to play i want to play like i'm good i know that i'm safe here i've had a good time i'm fed i'm not hungry my diapers good i've got the milk and the juice box and i'm like ready to hit the road mom and dad and then the child wants the inner child even wants like direction and action wants to do something it wants to execute it wants to build and so masculine compassion is the action oriented is the go forth message that nurtures the that nurtures the growth and that nurtures the evolution and really it's that we both have all of these aspects in ourselves and we've really had a massive repression massive repression of masculine compassion especially in the united states over the last century a massive repression of masculine compassion yes it but it does also seem like a lot of the execution oriented tendencies that we have are still working well you think we've been executing with compassion we've been destroying our earth destroying the planet like we haven't been executing with compassion so that's what's taken a toll in the last hundred years yeah okay execute with compassion you guys heard it here yeah you you you also heard tony lane castley teaching us it's always such a pleasure and it just it doesn't even feel like we left yeah each other for a minute yeah it's so interesting yeah yeah it's really cool and and yeah whatever whatever time is and whatever inter dimensionality is in spirits and unleashing them to their fullest i'm just in light and dark i'm just i'm so like you said the one thing we know is that we know nothing in that we'll always keep learning yeah that was really good okay tony this has been a blast thank you so much thank you thank you thank you okay thank you everyone as you guys heard go and build don't just consume go create much love everyone all right peace out