 Good evening everyone. Welcome to tonight's Common Council meeting As always before we start our meeting. We ask our C clerk to read the quote for the week. Thank you That you may retain your self-respect. It is better to displease the people by doing what is right than to temporary Please them by doing what you know is wrong Thank you very much. I don't see clerk Call the 10th regular meeting of the Common Council order. Please call the roll Born your bow sir Excuse Yasha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Manny Excuse Meyer Montemayor Rinflesh Ryan Vanderwheel for hassled excuse Wongamon and That's it 13th present Corms present and I should note that all of us are there will now be all of us Smith She has wed and we congratulate her So you will be see you will be seeing a change in her name plate there Next item on the agenda is the pledge of allegiance. I have to pledge our loyalty to our country All of them I would you please lead us I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You all my honor the pool of minutes President Hanna Thank You mr. Mayor. I would make a motion to approve the minutes motion and second under discussion There being none all those in favor say aye. Aye any opposed? Motion carries minutes are approved next item is the announcement of election for Board of Water Works commissioner president Hannah Thank You mr. Mayor. We do have one position Available on the Board of Water Works commission And I would encourage members of the public that are interested To submit their letter of interest to me and to send a copy to the mayor Perez. It's a three-year term If there are questions they can contact Joe true blood at the Department of Water Works Or the mayor's office and that will the election will be held on September 17th Very good. Thank you president. Now Next item on the agenda is public forum Madam city clerk Delcy Johnson And also can I have your home address, please? 1306 north third street shabuigan And you will have five minutes. Thank you Mayor Perez and members of the council Back in may when the ambulance issue was discussed The plan was to hire four paramedics dedicated to staffing two ambulances with a third ambulance on standby We were told that the fire department was willing to make concessions and the chief listoski would agree to a hiring freeze Indeed Now we learn that the city will hire four firemen paramedics Fireman paramedics receive bonus pay Your constituents the city taxpayers will be paying fireman paramedics more than double What the private sector pays paramedics? And the fire department will have four more firemen with not enough to do Indeed per a document passed at the last council meeting chief listoski has been given the power to hire up to 54 firemen paramedics The situation is definitely out of control And although alderman bow told me that only the ambulance workers will get the bonus pay I'm sure it won't be long before the fireman's union will demand bonus pay for all hires designated as fireman paramedics Why hire 54 fireman paramedics when only 24 will be needed? What will be the readiness skills of fireman paramedics who are not regularly assigned to ambulance duty? Would you want your child or husband or wife attended by a fireman paramedic who has not been practicing his paramedic skills For a long period of time to suddenly have to perform some life-saving skill In previous discussions of the tracking of the costs involved of operating the ambulance service We were told that only the 270 000 cost of the four new paramedics would be considered as the personnel cost of operating the ambulance service Designating the four new hires as fireman paramedics seems to be a further attempt to hide employee costs Also, we were told that a total of 18 personnel would be required to operate the ambulances now that number has risen to 24 So your constituents will be paying 24 fireman paramedics more than twice What private sector paramedics earned but for the record the ambulances will be operating by themselves because Employee wages will not be considered as a cost of operating this taxpayer service Chief Listosky promised dedicated ambulances So it makes sense that you would have to have dedicated paramedics who cannot service firemen when they're on duty as paramedics Even if there's a five alarm fire And there are plenty of people out there who agree with me It is interesting to note that orange cross staff six ambulances with a seven on standby with just 32 paramedics The fire department will need 24 fireman paramedics for two ambulances with a third on standby You have on your agenda a document to establish a special revenue fund for the ambulance service The explanation does not reference expenses, but if the fund does not include all expenses It is much ado about nothing I serve as a member of the harbour and marina commission We have a boat facilities fund separate from the marina operation which tracks revenues and expenses related to the law and shramps and the boat slips on the river The expenses include all dpw labor Labor's professional services contractor services, etc Which allows us to know the actual net revenue above the expenses for this operation And that is how the ambulance fund service fund should be set up All personnel costs should be included on the expense side of the ledger otherwise. It's a total joke What business would just track revenues and ignore their expenses Orange cross is decided to stay in business They have established a new easy to remember phone number 451-9111 And are working out a service plan for the rest of the county I believe a lot of city residents will choose to call orange cross rather than the fire department Sheboygan residents have long memories and a lot of people are very angry about the council's decision To discontinue their agreement with orange cross and I think they will express their anger by calling orange cross instead of the fire department It is obvious as suggested by former alderman renais susan her letter to the editor in sunday sheboygan press That the ambulance issue needs to be readdressed And now a word about shared services The city has expressed an interest in a joint dispatch arrangement But has at the same time thrown up issues that would make the county less than willing to enter into such an agreement So one must ask if the council is really sincere In making this happen, or are you only pretending? Perhaps if you'd spent more time discussing the issue you may have arrived at a better response to the opportunity Instead you rushed a decision on another critical issue It is your responsibility to cooperate with the county to save tax dollars and services that can be shared And I hope you will reach an agreement with the county to accomplish shared dispatch Although the city makes up about 40 percent of the county's population Excuse me. I'll see would you like the additional minute? Please Although the city makes up about 40 percent of the county's population I was interested to learn from a july 17th report to the county board by the county administrator That the county that of the county's proposed 45 million dollar budget just under 30 percent or 13 and a half million dollars Would be allocated to sheboygan city taxpayers It is unfair for city taxpayers to pay 100 percent of our public protection And 30 percent of the sheriff's budget for public protection for areas of the county that do not have their own police services And it is unreasonable to expect the city to pay the entire cost of building a shared dispatch system The shared services committee needs to discuss alternatives And it is time for the city and the county to stop playing games and practicing one Upsmanship and work toward equitable win-win solutions for the taxpayers. Thank you. Thank you That's it Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you for addressing the council this is uh Johnson The next item on the agenda is noted as council role I was actually in new york when I called it in and I had asked that it be mayor council role And the reason I wanted this particular item on the agenda is to to share with you some thoughts About how we operate not to provide a Quick lesson in civics or government 101 And I've done this before with a previous council about a year and a half ago And I thought it was appropriate To just talk a little bit and share share some thoughts with you about our roles as we function as a common council The the role of the mayor Is is somewhat unique because as you know Our responsibilities are broken down into legislative and executive Being the mayor and legislative being the council The mayor The role is somewhat unique in that the mayor can function in the legislative role when there's a tie The mayor can break a tie therefore having it having an impact or an effect on legislation Other than that the mayor does not do anything legislatively other than propose perhaps resolutions and ordinances and so forth But it's strictly your responsibility And I wanted to talk about this because as I go on a community People are holding me accountable for the job that I do the good job or the bad job that I do And the job that I do hinges a lot on What you do and how we dovetail together and and our roles The council obviously is broken down into five standing committees Those committees play an important role because they take certain issues that deal with certain concerns Takes them away Deliberates brings back recommendations and then the full council has the privilege of deliberating again and making decisions permanently In that respect the council recommends that the standing committees recommend policy to the council And also a very interesting Authority or power that standing committees have is by a majority vote they can actually Issue directives like the mayor can As with as a majority you can Direct a department head or the mayor or the city attorney or the city clerk to actually do something that would be almost executive to In that sense function And all that is important because as you look at the big picture We want to make sure that I am able to do my job and I need your help to do my job So that there is no And I'd hate to use this word, but for lack of a better term there's no micro management The management comes again in the form of a majority vote vote in the standing committee or Majority vote in the council And as as we work our way through the roles I've been an alderman for several years before I became mayor now I'm here two and a half years But I look at what we do as alderman what I do as mayor one of the things that we do is is to be reactive Okay, now what in the world do I mean by being reactive? There's a problem our constituents express their concerns We didn't know about the problem. We react we address it. We correct it We do that in the form of a directive. It's required and we do that in the form of an ordinance perhaps We're passing a policy a good example of this would be the Intersection of fifth in new york where we've had for many many years a problem water worsened down I've been able to be drained properly and it floods back up and people have a swamp and their basements That is a reaction. We are reacting to that because people are having problems and that's our job quite frankly That's that's what we do. We react the other thing that we do is is proactive We take the initiative a good example of that is this clean city initiative We understood I believe that we have a situation in shabuigan where people Do not want to look out their window and be looking at garbage or anything that's not clean So we took a proactive approach and said we're going to initiate a clean city initiative and take care of the problem Before it really becomes a problem. So we've done reactive and proactive The other thing that we do is we're visionaries I think the good example of that is seventh and ninth street Opening of two ways the reopening of niagara for for development is rather Visionary because what it's going to do is create a tremendous amount of excitement in that area Perhaps even generate a new clientele for the neighboring businesses that are there including yonkers So that's visionary as we do all our development All that is visionary and we accomplish that doing the same thing that we do And that we do well as policy and ordinances and so forth Another good example of vision is establishing tests and industrial parks We we we look towards the future. What is it that we can do to make our quality of life better to make our Community grow and stay up to par with technology and so forth. So we create tests for that We we encourage development. We provide incentives to developers to create development industrial parks do the same thing So again, it's it's a it's a matter of establishing policy passing ordinances and issuing directors The other thing I wanted to discuss with you is as we fulfill our roles. I really believe All of us have a clear vision of what our goals are I Would like to see us all come together in one special meeting and I'll use an example that we We had a school district element Hannah president Hannah and myself were school board members and every year the school board would come together and have a meeting And establish priorities and goals and objectives We would list everybody would contribute and then we'd pick out the most important and the least important And then by consensus agree on five or ten or whatever And then the things that we did visionary wise not reactive and proactive We would work towards those goals and that vision And I think that is important that we do this around this time because now it's budget time So as we move towards our towards putting together our budgets, we should have in our mind What exactly is important to us? What is what is important to your constituents? And the key thing here is that every one of you well eight of you Because there's 16 and eight district two for the each each district Well your constituents are going to tell you this is so it's important to me And this is what's important to me in another district district one may be different in district two district three etc But what I think we we need to do is bring it all together and say what's important to the whole community in general Because as I've said before when you vote you may impact your district and be voted in the best interest of your district But that vote is the majority impacts the entire city of shabuaga So I'd like to do that and it would be in the form of a special meeting And along with that so that we can clarify the purpose of a team Alderman balk has gracefully Graciously agreed to to work with me and our department heads and the common council to put together a program On and how we can best utilize our resources and and the abilities and the talents and the skills that everyone has So we can work Torset common goal that we will establish in the goals and objectives Alderman balk and I have a meeting next tuesday august 28th and we'll discuss the specifics And we will put a program together now. This is a program that will be on a volunteer basis for you It's not going to be required. It's going to be a special meeting You're welcome to attend if you don't if there's no quorum we can't have it And that's the only way we can do it Obviously, there will be it will be posted. It will be no there will be notice The public is welcome to attend at the school district. I believe we posted them, but no one showed up just the school board members but it's Alderman and president hannah smiley But again, it's important that that we keep in mind our roles going back our roles as legislators and executives And then we think about what is important to us one of our priorities What are our constituents want us to to to perform and conduct on their behalf and then we all bring it together and say This is the big picture. This is what we're all looking at So let's work towards that and accomplish at the end of the year I think all of us should be able to say we had five objectives We met all five or we met four But at least we were very specific about what we wanted to do the rest of the things we're going to do Again, we'll be reacting somebody we're going to be pre out proactive And that's just the way business go because I believe as alderman wagem and said a long time ago when I was an alderman Being a councilman is about gutters and streets and trees and leaves and all that and that's what we do We react reactively again on on that note, too So again, I appreciate your uh, you're listening to me and we'll more Next item on the agenda Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. I can't do this yet You're gonna have to give me another two minutes or so I took I wanted to share these things with you because they're very important And I did this during the staff meeting, but I was it I took a vacation and I went to new york You know what it does it helps you reflect back on what you have in shabuagan and compare it to new york and say Wow, do we have it better or not? Alderman hannah has lived in new york so obviously he can relate to to some of these alderman kiddison has visited new york And i'm sure many of you have too But some of these things are humorous, but they're true for example As we're driving all of a sudden somebody decides to park in the middle of the street There's a car here on that way and one going they decide they're going to park in the middle of the street Go inside their house and wait 10 minutes. Whatever they're going to do You have to sit there and wait or manage to squeeze by if you can you back up and do whatever you need I think this would probably drive chief kurt nuts. Just have all these police officers handling these tickets But that's what they do in the york The other thing they have in york is garbage police They actually go and check your garbage to see if you're putting something in there That's not supposed to be in there and they ticket you if you did and they check that pretty pretty aggressively The other interesting thing that I noted and these again are first impressions and observations is dumpsters here Steve sokoloski would go nuts because here when we do development dumpsters have to be properly enclosed There's got to be a gate. It's got to be a little pavement or something like that. Well there Pick a spot put it in where you want to and normally they put them in front of the door the front door So that's where you see dumpsters and people walk by and throw stuff in there So that to me just drive you nuts to And then again pull that would be uh, this would drive pull that nuts says buildings Okay, they build a building Right next to each other and if that doesn't work Butt it up against it. That doesn't work put it on top If that doesn't work pick a spot put it in where you want That's how they do it and it's very interesting that you see very little narrow alleys very Narrow driveways where you have a foot on each side of your car Just barely making it and the garage happens to be at an angle So it's it's uh, very interesting how you do that. They have no no backyards There's a thousand dollar fine for anyone does not pick up after their dogs Thousand dollars fines and they have signs all over the place Uh parking There is none very little you have to walk you better not walk. So you're going to pay $11 for the first half hour of parking Most people drive 50 miles one way to the supermarket because there's not a big supermarket there Here we can walk or take the bus and speaking of bus. They have no bus. It's subway New york was the only place that I've seen That has the traffic light in the middle of the street with no intersection Dig that I think they would drive build bulky nuts But somebody decided they're going to put a traffic light in the middle of the street and there's no intersection And you see these cars speed and all of a sudden everybody stops and everybody's wondering what's going on The other thing that was interesting is they have a fire-based ambulance. She's less tusky would like this They have a fire-based ambulance, but they do have another ambulance provider Is a volunteer ambulance provider if you can drive a truck pick somebody up come on you're volunteering That's the way it works over there Interestingly the park everybody knows how I feel about parks central park. We visited central park. It had 850 acres 25 million per year visited There were only 25 crimes reported last year So it's one per million And it's not run by the city. It's run by a trust fund And they're able to meet their budget and take care of the park And then last last of all it's early not the least least city hall And the mayor are not accessible It's impossible to call the mayor and get the mayor on the phone unlike shabuagan And not only is city hall not accessible. It's guarded So imagine the mayor trying that in shabuagan. You better not run again for office. We have accessibility in city hall So little tidbits. I wanted to share that and we will move on. Thank you very much for indulging Let me indulge president hannah Oh, i'm sorry Hearing for the vacation and discontinuous of a portion of north 26th street adjacent to lots three and four smith garden subdivision first national bank of manitowoc Is there anyone here that would like to address the council? On the hearing Is there anyone here? Is there anyone that would like to address the council president hannah? Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would make a motion to close the hearing second motion is second to close hearing under discussion There is none all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries hearing is closed Consent agenda items one to ten one through ten twenty six president hannah Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would move that all ro's be accepted and placed on a file That all rc's be accepted and adopted second motion and second under discussion olemann clayness Thank you, your honor. I'd ask that Item number 1025 be pulled out for a separate vote 1025 has been requested to put uh pull forward for a separate vote. It's an rc by public works Recommending filing documents submitting communication from the director of social services of the salvation army Sheboygan given notice of their termination of the lease agreement with the city and accepting the termination of the agreement And i believe olemann clayness you will abstain and say what? Any problem with that? And i need a motion to uh to accept uh And adopt the report committee Motion second under discussion There being none, please call the roll boran bulk gisha hannah heidemann kittleson clayness meyer montemayor rinflash ryan van der wheel and wangaman 12 eyes one abstention motion carries olemann van der wheel Thank you, your honor. I need to pull item number 1023 and make an amendment to it 1023 please do so Um, i'm gonna quick read it so that that the public knows what we're amending It's an rc by public protection safety recommending filing documents submitting communication from ia ff local 483 And mda asking permission to have a fill the boot campaign on friday august 24th 2007 Uh, it will be on various three corners to collect donations from children and adults in the community suffering from A neural muscular disease and granting said permission with various caveats What i need to do is amend it to delete uh friday august 24th 2007 And i'll make a motion Is there a second to that motion second motion and second and continue And the reason why i'm amending that is because Of a rain date. They didn't want to be stuck to a certain date. They're looking at Uh august 31st 07 or the rain date 9107 And just so the alderman know As part of our caveats you have a letter on your desk that uh That relates to the insurance that we have asked them about Okay, thank you There is a motion to amend as stated a second any any discussion further discussion on the amendment There being none on the amendment, please call the roll You want to do that can be an all eyes on the amendment all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed Motion carries now. I need a motion to I'll make a motion to accept and adopt the rc as amended Motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll Boke Gisha Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Meyer Montemayor Rinflesch Ryan Vanderwheel Wongamon And born 13 eyes Motion carries now. We will act on all 10 1 to 10 26 except in 10 23 and 10 25 which have been acting on Is there any discussion on those items? There is none. Please call the roll Gisha Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Meyer Montemayor Rinflesch Ryan Vanderwheel Wongamon Warren And Boke 13 eyes Motion carries communications and petitions 10 27 resident Hanna Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would make a motion to file 10 27 Motion and second to file 10 27 under discussion There is none all in favor say aye Any opposed? All in favor say aye Motion carries Report of officers to 10 28 to 10 40 to be referred All in favor say aye Thank you, Your Honor. On agenda item number 10 29 and I moved to file. This is a federal issue And I urge them to seriously discuss this and take some action in Washington Second Motion and second to file 10 29 under discussion All in favor say aye Motion carries communications and petitions 10 28 to 10 40 to be referred to Thank you, Your Honor. The only thing I want to say about this is that And for the people watching on television that don't have a copy of this has to do with illegal aliens in Sheboygan county and having all forms of all parts of government do something about this problem of illegal aliens We've had two illegal aliens I believe in the last year year year and a half that were involved in fatal traffic accidents that turned out to be hit and runs We had one on south business drive where apparently the alleged perpetrator has left the area has Been able the police have not been able to find the subject and also we had another incident Within the last week where a young man from port washington was killed by a By an individual who allegedly is an illegal alien and also possibly had various addresses Plymouth sockville And Sheboygan and that's also another hit and run and apparently there's some concern that that individual is also Heading out of the area and possibly back to Mexico. So I agree that The state the federal and even the local government has to do something about this problem because it's definitely Reared its ugly head in this area. Thank you Any further discussion I will add that hit and runs can be committed by anybody not necessarily illegal or illegal All in favor of filing. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries Rest will be referred 10 28 to 10 40 will be referred resolutions introduced three 10 41 about alderman hannah awarding the sale of eight million dollars general obligation corporate purpose bonds series 2007 b president hannah Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would ask that you invite Carol worth from rbc to come forward and speak to the council. Thank you president hannah carol. Would you please come up? Please as close as you can to you Good. Okay. Thank you All right tonight. I have on your desk. You will have A handout that has also attached to it a final resolution that you will be considering tonight You did have a copy a draft copy of the resolution earlier The resolution that you have before you tonight incorporates the sale results And I have my report that is a summary of those sale results So I will spend the time walking through the summary with you everything in the summary is incorporated into the resolution for your action So starting with the the front page of this Sale results. I have a one page that pretty much tells you the whole story And then we have the exhibits attached to it and again the exhibits are actual exhibits of the resolution We start with the fact that we serve as your financial advisor And we took bids for you on an eight million dollar general obligation bonds this morning At 10 o'clock and it's done. It's called a competitive sale We distribute information nationwide And then we request bids to be submitted on the bond issue at a time specific We do that with the official statement Which is a very large document that describes the city And we also request a bond rating from moody's investor service and standard in pours and with that information The investors and the underwriters make a decision if they want to bid on your bonds We start with the fact that moody's has reconfirmed the city's a double a three credit rating And we also have a reconformation of standard in pours a double a rating for the city and you remember the last time I was here the double a rating was actually an upgrade from the double a minus As a double a minus we would have been rated at the same rating base as a double a three from moody's Moody's uses letters and standard in pours uses the minus and the plus So actually right now we're just a little bit ahead with standard in pours over over moody's, but we're working on it The bonds themselves they're issued to pay the cost of your new police facility The sale results we received bids from four different firms and again That does not mean that just four firms across the country were interested, but we have Four account managers that submitted bids and that is on the second page of my handout It's called the bid tabulation. You will see that the winning bid came from la sel financial services in new york The true interest rate Was a 4.817 percent And in the center there is the net interest cost, which is over the 20 year life of the bond issue There were also three other bids you can see there from um, robert paired a g edwards and ubs And you'll notice that the managers were from various states. So we had quite a um Distribution of interest in your issue and you can see there the true interest rates ranged from the 481 to a 495 The next page is the actual bid form and again, this is part of the resolution. It's called exhibit a 3 This is the form that the winning bidder submits that has the interest rates inserted and also at the bottom Left hand corner and again shows you the interest cost They are actually paying you a small premium of 8169 To get the net interest cost of that 5,410 that you've seen on the previous page And again the true interest rate of the 4.817 So now we take those interest rates that are on this page and we put them on the next page which produces The repayment schedule or the amortization schedule for this issue so Your principal is paid on october 1 from 09 through 26 and statutorily. This is as long as this issue can go out uh The coupon means interest rate and those are taken right off of the bid form and then you pay interest semi annually So that's where the interest column comes the far right hand side. You see fiscal total That is your annual tax levy for this issue All of these numbers are now included in the resolution in the body of the resolution It'll show you all of this detail So so again, this is just for the sake of summarizing it and to let you know where the information can be found The city will receive the money on september 5th It will deposit this into a construction fund There is no limit in terms of the investment income that can be realized or the rate of investment However, the city is subject to because this is tax exempt bonds the money must be spent in two years So it's called a federal two-year spend down rule. So all the money which includes investment income must be spent in two years That allows you to keep the investment profit Now just to let you know what's been going on in the markets. I always keep the finance committee apprised of interest rates And back on august 6th. We did a very comprehensive report that used the market on august 6th And we prepared an amortization schedule for this bond issue and back then that true interest cost or true interest rate I should say was a 4.56 percent Today that number is a 4.81 percent And that is definitely attributable to a great deal of volatility that is currently in the markets You may have heard that yourself You have any interest in the markets with regard to mortgages with regard to stocks With regard to any form of financial markets, not only nationally but internationally It would take me A long time to try and explain all the factors that are going on So I have included in here an article in the back a very good piece that just came out today That you can review but basically what is happening as it starts that article is that there is what is called a flight to quality The city of shavuigan has very high quality bonds. You have two double a category ratings Even with the two double a category ratings. There has been a difference of a core of a percent move in the market in one week Now the good news is that the city has sold 20 year bonds at a 4.81 percent We have gotten used to seeing the very very low interest rates over the last four or five years And we now look at a 4.81 percent and we're a little taken back by it If you look at traditionally long-term 20 year bonds You would say five five and a half percent was an average interest rate So we're still looking at a very attractive 481 interest rate Sure, we would have loved to enjoy the 456 But realistically a 481 over 20 years is an extremely good interest rate So, um, what is happening here is that those municipalities Issuers that don't enjoy this type of a good quality credit rating are to the point where they cannot enter the bond market The investors are not there for them at all So, um, we are still very fortunate as a high rated city We have good market access as you can see by the type of bids we receive from all over the country So, you know, we're in good shape here today But I just wanted you to see this article because it really goes into what's happened with regard to the federal reserve last last week coming in and cutting that That borrowing rate for banks Uh, the speculation of what's going to happen to the fed meeting in september There's going to be a lot of volatility continuing in the marketplace for I would say the next month and a half Maybe even longer, but this is not going to be resolved in a week or so So I think that in that in that regard, um, we are still enjoying a very very attractive interest rate for our city Any questions for carol? Otherwise a motion is in order President had a thank you carol Appreciate it. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would make the motion that we award the sale of the eight million dollar general obligation corporate Purpose bonds series Second motion and second Under discussion we would we've had it explained. There is none Please call the roll Hannah Hi Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemayor Rin Flesh Ryan Vanderwheel Wongamon Boren Bulk And geisha 13 eyes Curious All in geisha Made a real good suggestion and said let's show the public and the people here in the council What after all these years our police station is going to look like and folks here's the floor plan Beautiful modern police station We'll take a couple of minutes to sign And I will uh Say that the next week sometime. I believe on thursday. Is that correct david? There will be a formal ground breaking with the bulldozers and all that and I know chief kirk thinks i'm kidding, but he and i are going to start the first bulldozer and dig that ground together Okay So the plans are being made everyone. There will be invitations extended Thursday next thursday And this one It'd be done Thank you girl. Have a good night. All right. Thank you Chief kirk you want to say a few words? I just wish to say thank you to the comic council to the mayor To all those who have put effort into this Um, this is a long time in coming as I've said many many many times before when I started here in 1977 And I believe alderman wangman even says it earlier than that chief frank in 1977 said don't worry son or I forget the exact word, but I believe he said son. Don't worry. We're going to build you a new police facility Well, I use that line now and I want to say thank you very very much We knew that this was coming. We just didn't know when and with the action here tonight It was exciting and I'm very happy that we're proceeding with this Not only for our citizens, but also for the employees that I work with. Thank you Thank you very much moving on to the next item 10 42 By alderman ryan authorizing the mayor to file applications for financial assistance from the state of wisconsin department of tourism alderman ryan Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move for suspension of the rules Is there a second to that? Second any objection Alderman ring slice Alderman ring slice As usual, thank you for mr. Mayor. I'm just looking for an explanation of reason for suspension. Thank you I'm very good. The reason uh to suspend the rules basically this is an application for co-op funding from the State department of tourism our application is in however if the council does not approve this we cannot get our hands on this Uh return of some of our state tax money to uh to ourselves Any further discussion required Okay, you made a motion. There was a second Thank you, roger um I need a resolution to put Motion to put the resolution upon his passage I move that the resolution be put past Second motion and second under discussion If I may explain this your honor, please basically this is uh 20 000 dollars for three different events totally close to 60 000 dollars for uh state uh tourism co-op money Are eligible for Absolutely Thank you. Alderman ryan and I would like to uh extend my heartfelt thanks to kim She has done a tremendous job with the tourism division And this is just one part of her great work that she does for the city kim. Thank you very much There is a motion in second to put resolution 10 42 upon its passage. Please call the roll Bulk gisha and hannah 13 eyes motion carries 10 43 through 10 47 lies over 10 48 through 10 51 to be referred Report of committee 7 10 52 an rc by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 75 70 Based on the applicant's record of violations related to the license activity The applicant status as a repeat law violator and the applicant's failure to reveal all violations vice president borne Thank you your honor, uh, I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion under discussion is uh wan d coronado here tonight It's not here your honor, please proceed Uh, mr. Coronado met before our committee in closed session last tuesday night And it was a recommendation of uh, unanimous recommendation of the committee to, uh, deny his beverage Operators license for for the uh, reasons that you have just just mentioned. Okay Thank you. Thank you vice president borne any further discussion There being none, please call the roll kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rinflash ryan vander wheel wongamon boron balk gisha hannah and heiteman 13 eyes motion carries Ordinances introduced 10 10 53 through 10 55 Lies over To be referred 10 56 through 10 61 matters laid over 11 8 26 And ro ro number 21 20708 by the city plan commission recommending vacate in a portion of North 26th street adjacent to lots three and four Smith gardens subdivision first national bank of manitowah almond montemayor Thank you your honor. I move the ro be accepted in file and the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There's none, please call the roll clayunas meyer montemayor rinflash ryan vander wheel wongamon excuse me boron balk gisha hannah heiteman and kittleson 13 eyes motion carries 922 Please note that we will hold for 948 942 resolution number 750708 by almond montemayor accepting the deed from fnb sheboygan llc Dedicating a certain described property for use as city street right away almond montemayor Thank you your honor. I move the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There being none, please call the roll meyer montemayor rinflash ryan vander wheel wongamon boron balk gisha hannah heiteman kittleson and clayunas 13 eyes motion carries 945 resolution number 760708 by almond boron balk gisha and clayunas Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2007 budget Establish appropriations of 300 000 for the ambulance services in the general fund vice president boron Thank you your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion uh your honor, uh I want to reiterate that I uh do not support the fire department taking over the ambulance service I do support this document however because it sets up a special revenue fund to track expenses Expenses for the ambulance business Separate from the fire department budget This is currently the best option For the council to take To track these expenses and that's why i'm supporting it. Thank you Thank you vice president boron alderman clayunas Thank you I concur with alderman boron and my reason for supporting this is because of the word special The word special to means to me means separate and it's the best we can do here is to separate and to keep as Clear as you can the picture of the ambulance service Thank you. Thank you. Alderman clayunas alderman Meyer Thank you, your honor. Um, I just have a question for older persons boron and clayunas Is this not the same document that came in? Um a few weeks ago and you voted against it I guess i'm just not clear as to why you voted against it the first time And now you brought it back in Thank you. Alderman Meyer. Uh, vice president boron response Uh, thank you older person. Uh, Meyer. Uh, it was a mistake on my part in reading over the document I had a misunderstanding and that's why it's back and this time I want to support it. Thank you Alderman Meyer answer your question. Yes, thank you Alderman geisha Thank you, mr. Mayor in follow-up to Alderman boron and clayunas They've been working very diligently with the finance committee in helping craft this to make sure it does just as some of our public speakers tonight in the past have asked for it was in fact done in just that manner thanks to the help of the find entire finance committee and the input from both Jim and gene Thank you. Alderman geisha. Uh, Alderman wagerman Thank you, mr. Mayor much as uh, alderman boron originally. I did not support the Fire department taking over the ambulance service and I've always worried about How are we going to keep track of whether this thing is really is profitable or is not profitable? And I think this document will accomplish that and so I would also support this document this time Thank you. Alderman wagerman any further discussion On 945 Motion to put resolution upon its passage. Please call the roll monta maor rin flash ryan vander wheel rongamon boron bauk geisha hannah heidemann kittleson clayunas and meyer 13 eyes Motion carries 946 resolution number 770708 by alderman boron bauk geisha and clayunas Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2007 budget Establish appropriations for the purchase of three ambulances. Vice president boron Thank you, your honor. Uh, I moved to put the resolution upon its passage Motion in second under discussion. Thank you, your honor I'm also supporting this document because it does establish the the ambulance Uh services fund That we will be able to attract the expenses of the ambulance whether we end up purchasing ambulances Or whether we end up leasing ambulances yet to be determined In the event that it does uh end up to be a purchase of ambulance as co-chair of finance I have requested an agenda item for the next finance committee meeting on august 27th To set up a repayment schedule for the $540,000 advance from the motor vehicle fund plus interest And this this the key to this document and I I think my fellow finance committee member finance committee members For setting up this repayment with interest And this this repayment will take place And no greater than seven years the $540,000 will have to be paid back to the motor vehicle fund with interest I also should point out however that this will be an additional It at a minimum 77 thousand dollars plus dollars It'll be an annual strain on the supposed profitability of the ambulance business that I don't believe was in the original projections But uh, I am going to support this because it does contain this Repayment of the advance from the motor vehicle fund. Thank you. Thank you. Vice president boron or mcgisha Thank you. Mr. Mayor I originally pressed the button for something else but as a clarification the Least amount of roughly 78 thousand dollars annually with an annual payment Made from the profits from the ambulance service Was in the original budget and was in the final passage of that budget So those dollars are already accounted for with the accounting of that project second Uh, it is possible just so that people understand that we could advance the money out of the vehicle fund To pay for the ambulances and then still lease The vehicles and pay the money back into the motor vehicle fund Uh, that was also discussed in finance. I wanted to make sure everybody understands There's a lot of different options We can pull it out temporarily until we get our lease documents in place or as as alderman boron Worked on diligently with this With the finance committee and his suggestion regarding Amateurizing the thing back. So there's a lot of functions. We may With the help of our finance department pay it out pay it back move it around So if you see money coming out of the motor vehicle fund It may just be for temporary. It's fair question to ask, you know, why is it coming out? Is it they're going to go back, you know, what your final intent are So there could be a couple other movements with this to be used as a tool here. Thank you Thank you alderman gisha alderman oak Thank you, your honor. I'd invite alderman gisha to give a quick explanation about Purchasing versus lease and what the timetable and process for that is Thank you alderman balk alderman gisha one minute. Okay. Yeah or less The amortization schedule is will be virtually the same if we purchase it out of the motor vehicle fund and pay it back as with a lease Basically with a lease you make payments in this case for seven years at the end of that seven years You pay a dollar you own the equipment During that time period you have a you have all the the the great stuff about A brand new equipment and it's all under warranty and and yada yada yada the idea with the leases It's a page you go program There'll be an annual payment theoretically in their discussions That would be made at the end of your fiscal year of the operation Taking those profits out paying the your annual payment so that the service is paying for the equipment You're matching sources and uses of funds. So it's a way for the city not have to go into debt In a in a in a negative way, but using actual Generated funds to pay for an actual operation. So I talk a lot about the committee about sources and uses of funds And this would be a perfect example of that Thank y'all Magesha Thank you, your honor. Do we know what model of a vehicle we're going to purchase? Is that know at this point? Magesha, I guess it's me Seemed to be mr. Ambulance tonight. I invite the chief to come up But there was a presentation at this at this to this body that talked about we asked them to come do three three Quotations from three different vendors they actually brought us four from four different vendors With the price of each ambulance being Less more than $10,000 less per ambulance that was originally quoted in their proposal So that was all done. But as far as what they are, I'll let the chief perhaps Best explained your your purchase guys and here tonight. I think mr. Sharp But if you can help with that, you'll know more about it than I chief would you please come up Thank you your honor members of council on the council made a determination In a previous vote in a previous document the type of ambulances are med tech Ambulances, it's a subsidiary of pierce manufacturing company And I believe the funding portion in the transfer of Accounts here is is not approving The purchase of those specific ambulances but putting that into the appropriate accounting process Hold on chief on reclaim this question for chief chief Are these ambulances the same size as orange cross uses? Uh, I'm not certain they're probably there's a there are different chassis and orange crosses using If the question is are they going to fit in the hospitals? The answer is yes, we've Had vehicles there. We've moved them through and checked sizes and everything else That was an important question someone asked a friend of mine asked if um not connected to orange cross What someone asked said that they had heard that these ambulances would not fit into the memorials emergency area we had a Demonstrator model of the type that we were ordering and we had at memorial hospital ran it through it's it's close But it you know, it'll fit Thank you in the existing configuration. Thank you. Thank you. Amen cleanest. Thank you chief listoski Okay, resolution number 946 establishing appropriations for the three ambulances, please call the roll rinflash ryan vander wheel wangaman boron bauk gisha hannah heidemann kittleson clioness meyer and montemayor 12 eyes 1 no Motion carries 947 resolution number 780708 by olman boron bauk gisha and clioness Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2007 budget Establish appropriation for funds raised by international committee vice president boron Thank you your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There being none, please call the roll ryan vander wheel wangaman boron bauk gisha hannah heidemann kittleson clioness meyer montemayor and rinflash 13 eyes Motion carries 948 and we will take 922 with this that we just held 948 resolution number 790708 by olman hannah boron Clioness Gisha and bauk authorizing the purchasing agent to enter into contract for the construction of a new police station president hannah Thank you, mr. Mayor. First, I'd like to accept and file r09 22 and then And then put put 948 resolution 790708 upon its passage Motion and second under discussion Alderman wangaman Thank you, mr. Mayor As chief kirk alluded to this process has been going on for a long time 1963 I joined the department and chief heimke at that time said young man We're going to build you a new police station. That was 44 years ago So you think after waiting 44 years? I'd be pretty happy about all this I've got deep reservations about the entire process It's my opinion. We're building the wrong building in the wrong place at the wrong time and for the wrong amount of money I think we've been penny wise and dollar foolish and I think we're going to pay for it down the road 20 years from now, we're going to be looking at doing a vast remodeling We're going to end up paying for two lesser price police stations instead of one high quality police station Even amongst the business community in july and I've talked to many people And they're dismayed by this whole process when our city is growing to the south we build a police station on the north Police stations are supposed to be located toward the center of activity. So this was a mistake I think the building although it's going to be adequate and it's going to be better I think most of the members of the police department at this point would take an army tent if we gave it to them Because they're tired of the whole process and they want to get moving and they want to get it along And so on the night when I should be happy I'm not but I'm going to support these documents because no police station is You know far Less preferable than the one they've got now so I But it's with uh deep reservation that I'm voting for this I think the one thing that we did do on this whole process that was very good was that we Hired a local contractor the cautious company is very well known They have a high standard of quality and I'm sure they'll do the very best they can with the money they have And they will of course Uh Have to work within the budget and I'm I'm very pleased that we did hire a local firm because it gives us Uh our local people jobs and and that sort of thing So it's a it's with mixed emotions that I'm supporting this document, but uh, it's not a happy night for me Thank you Thank you Thank you, uh, mr. Mayor As being one of the new guys here on the block We didn't go through the wars that it took to get to this point Whether it's the the chief of uh, and and his folks Or a lot of these council members not me Who had to go through the blood sweat and tears to get to this point? I would just like to uh congratulate them on their efforts To get to this resolution for the city Um, and I I have deep respect for all the person wongam in and his his history with the department and with the city Uh, although I take a little exception with penny wise pound foolish because we're not building an eight million dollar police station We have to remember this real building a 13 million four hundred and nineteen thousand fifty seven dollar and twenty nine cent police station interest of a quarter of a million dollars a year Is also being expended on top of the original dollar amount of eight million dollars When albert einstein was in his later years and he was teaching He was sitting on a stage all by himself and students asked him a question They said, uh, mr. Einstein. What is the most powerful force in the universe? And einstein puffed on his pipe and said compound interest And we are paying five million almost 5.5 million dollars in compound interest I've built buildings all over the state with or financed and helped with these buildings I've never found an eight million dollar building to be penny wise and pound foolish. It's a substantial investment of 13 plus million dollars From the taxpayers of this city And I think it's a great building. I think it's been a compromise in a lot of ways Compromise that I didn't have a lot to do with but a lot of people in this room did And I think penny wise and pound foolish when your citizens are writing a check for 13 million dollars Maybe overstating it just a bit Thank you, old magisha president how? Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um, I just think that the citizens of shabuagan Along with our professional police department Will have a new police station to be very very proud of I think there's always compromise And I think out of compromise We're going to bring forward a highly functional and a very desirable police station Thank you president hannah And I I guess I wanted to key in here I I appreciate your comments allerman wagemann, but you have been going for a few years and during those years A big number of meetings were held The police department was involved police personnel was involved building used committee was involved Uh, certain allerman were involved. I was involved a lot of people were involved the architect was involved Just a huge number of people were involved and what we had in mind is to build A badly needed police station for our police department For the people of shabuagan and do it in a manner That was affordable And it appropriate for the police department and to characterize that in a manner that you have characterized it Does not give it full justice And I I wish you hadn't done that but you have The people of shabuagan has a have asked us at almanegisha said Build a police station. We need one the police department needs but build it in a manner That's affordable and appropriate and we not only did we do that but we do it We did it in a way that allows for growth and expansion of that police station Now if you look if you think back in the 50 by 50 Slogan and you should remember this because you're the city historian 50 by 50 was a slogan that people were talking about in 1948 give or take a year What that meant was they wanted shabuagan to have 50 000 people by the year 1950 You know how long it's been and we only have 2000 people more and we've lost them already And that police station handle the load now We've got a police station that has not only twice as much base 60 000 square feet but indoor parking Chief has a beautiful office. I don't know I may want to move in there myself But we've got great space great use of space wisely design use of space wisely design Future thinking of expansion. So again Please forgive me for belaboring the point for you to characterize it And the manner that you did does not do any justice to this council to the police department and to the people of shabuagan Chief would you like to say something? As I stated I've been here since 1977 this has been a dream of many many employees to build a new police department The word compromise was stated here tonight and this is absolutely a compromise We did three needs assessments. There were 68,080 and 80,000 We came in with a smaller building and then what the needs assessment Indicated it's a compromise. We understand that there is a concern for funds We understand and we've had push for years For a need of a new police department This will deal with the concerns many concerns that we have addressed throughout the years To an assortment of common councils There were years when I first began that where we would take each common council member through the police department to show them The need and urgent need for a new police department that Concern or that need to give tours Stopped several years back When the common council took it serious. This is a compromise I say thank you once again Because it will deal with some of the concerns of the citizens. It will deal with some of the concerns of my officers Is it smaller than what I had thought? Yes, it is. Is it a compromise? Yes, it is. Are we thankful? Yes, I believe we are Do we wish we could have everything that was Was drumped of well sure when you build a how is you dream all sorts of dreams? And I just say thank you here tonight for the action you've taken I say thank you. Then I want to get started on this And as the mayor stated, I will be driving that bulldozer. That's what you You and I Thank you chief. We have a couple of more and then we'll take the vote omen ryan sir Thank you, mr. Mayor Compromise is the key word here Truthfully I was Against the smaller version of the police department the lower budget version of the police department There were a lot of compromises. It was it was somewhat downsized But it's being built and that's the important part If you would have a year ago, I didn't think it would ever be built to tell you the truth I'm not too crazy about the location. I believe that belonged to closer to the south side of town But that's all part of the compromise Police department's being built and our police our police department deserves it. Thank you. Thank you lman ryan lman wagerman Thank you your honor With all due respect to you and to my fellow council members My comments here tonight will not be judged by you or this council here this evening. They'll be judged by the future Thank you very much. Thank you lman wagerman allerman ringplace Thank you, mr. Mayor We talked all about compromise on the station I'm on record of not originally voting for the city site as well And it's been a long drawn-out process to get to this point in time And less than a year ago when I ran for this office again We talked so you're knocking on doors talking to constituents and I I expressed my deep concern the fact that It's not a $8 million station. It's not a $13 million station. Keep in mind We had to buy the land From ourselves from the county again so need to add that as well to taxpayer. So I am not satisfied with the location I think there's better Locations out there, but the important thing is what I told my voters is that this has to get built They deserve far more than they have right now They deserve it 40 years ago quite frankly when you were on there far more than they have So I'm excited that it's being built. So it's a happy day for me. That's being built I am however very disappointed however Um, Alderman wanghamman stated his beliefs his feeling. Uh, he is happy as being built He's not happy like I'm not happy about the location. I'm not happy about the cost, but I'm happy as being built He expressed his thoughts and I don't think this council or The mayor quite frankly has a right to tell him his thoughts are incorrect He's supporting this and he's you know, did a noble statement to say that He's been ones of 40 years So I think let's look back at the record at the words he said and he is right It's not that us to judge at all this body We've talked about working together working together to have a unified vision and while we're going to disagree with him that That's part of disagreement though We have to allow ourselves to Be vocal be open and not be afraid to get smacked down by the people on this body It's not our job to do that So it's a very sad day for me that the fact that some of us on this body just got attacked for stating their beliefs And quite frankly, I don't think I think the comments were far less derogatory than the direction of the attacks towards him Um, and I think this is one that if it was done in the public forum We'd be gathering people out of order So I'm I'm shocked that this happened in this council today And I hope that apologies can be extended to each other outside this body that would continue to work forward And with respect and dignity for everybody in this body to disagree There are have been big issues that I've disagreed with other members in this committee On voting opposite sides of that, but hopefully everyone can see that We're still in this to work together to move the city forward. So please next time. I disagree with everybody I hopefully I don't get the same response back. I hope for better. Thank you Oh, really? Nobody was attacked And nobody is punishing anybody for speaking And the same respect that you're asking us to extend I think you should extend to me and they're all going to Offer their opinion. That's all we're saying. Okay. We have one more old and van der wheel Thank you, honor. This will be just a very quick statement. Um, I was just thinking about How we got to this point And I think compromise is the best word we could use tonight because I could be wrong, but I believe I voted on the site Eight times And eight different times. So I just wanted to point that out. Thank you Thank you. Come on. Very well Okay, 948 we are Putting resolution upon his passes 922 accepting and filing 922 the r-roll. Please call the roll van der wheel wangaman boran bauk geisha hannah heidemann kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rindflash and ryan 13 eyes Prussian carries 949 Resolution number 8708 by alderman hannah boran bauk geisha and clayunas authorizing the transfer of appropriations into 2007 budget Establishing appropriations for a partial refund of a development agreement payment from heartland properties president hannah Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would put upon put resolution 949 upon his passes Motion and second under discussion There being on please call the roll wangaman boran bauk geisha hannah heidemann kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rindflash ryan and van der wheel 13 eyes motion carries 950 resolution number 810708 by alderman hannah boran bauk geisha and clayunas Authorizing a partial refund of an economic development agreement payment President hannah Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would put resolution 950 upon his passage second motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll boran bauk geisha hannah heidemann kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rindflash ryan van der wheel and wangaman 13 eyes Motion carries 951 resolution number 820708 by alderman hannah boran clayunas bauk geisha Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2007 budget Establish estimated revenue and appropriation for funds raised from friends of sheboygan senior center incorporated for volunteer coordinator President hannah Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd put resolution 951 upon his passage second motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll bauk geisha hannah heidemann kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rindflash ryan van der wheel wangaman and boran 13 eyes Motion carries Alderman president hannah is in a roll here 958 rc number 1470708 by finance recommended authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2007 budget Establish appropriations totaling 1 million of 50 in the tex incremental district number 12 construction fund for expenses relating to the grand state hotel project To be funded from the cell of land and the state trust fund loan of 935 thousand dollars president hannah Thank you, mr. Mayor. First, I'd like to put rc 958 accept and adopt And secondly, uh place resolution 590708 upon his passage Motion and second under discussion There's none. Please call the roll geisha hannah heidemann kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rindflash ryan van der wheel wangaman boran and bauk 13 eyes Motion carries 959 rc number 1480708 by finance recommended authorizing borrowing From the trust funds of the state of wisconsin in the sum of 935 thousand dollars for the purpose of finance and street paving Parking lot and economic development in tid 12 and for no other purpose president hannah Well, thank you, mr. Mayor. First, I'd like to Place rc 1480708 accept and adopt And secondly place resolution number 680708 Upon his passage second motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll hannah Heidemann kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rindflash ryan van der wheel wangaman boran bauk and geisha 13 eyes Motion carries 962 general ordinance number 24708 by alderman kittleson and verhasl repeating sub sections of general ordinance number 10708 adopted on june 18 2007 Granting richard a wilkins his hairs and the signs the privilege of encroaching upon described portions of north 13th street and michigan avenue Located at 1301 michigan avenue in the city of shiboygan for the purpose of maintaining a patio era alderman kittleson Thank you your honor. I move that the ordinance be put upon its passage motion and second under discussion Just that you said it's granting an encroachment on the corner there of north 13th and michigan avenue for the purpose of a patio area Thank you. Thank you. Alderman kittleson attorney mclean Yes, just to clarify. This is to repeal A an encroachment ordinance that was granted a couple meetings ago got A letter from mr. Wilkins who owns the building. This was where Tejanos was going and The the tenant had requested the encroachments And the owner does not want the encroachments the tenants now out of the building and The tenant doesn't want or the owner doesn't want to pay for encroachments that he has no intent to use Thank you attorney mclean any other discussion Please call the roll heightaman kittleson clayness meyer montemayor rinflash ryan vander wheel wangaman foreign bulk gisha and hannah 13 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law I'm turning the clean Thank you your honor document 1062 is an aro by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2008 and june 30 2009 That will be referred to law and licensing And 1063 is a communication from sergeant tushinsky requesting discussion and action on various issues with the cab companies And that will be referred to law and licensing Thank you attorney mclean all of president hannah need a motion to convene in closed session Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would make the motion to convene in closed session under the exemption provided in section 19.85 One e of wisconsin statutes for the purpose purpose of deliberating the purchasing of public property Where bargaining reasons require a closed session second motion and second under discussion All in favor say aye I'm sorry. We have to call the roll. Please call the roll born bulk gisha Hannah Heidemann kittleson clayness meyer montemayor rindflash ryan van der wheel and wangeman 13 ayes Motion carries. We will go into closed session. I would uh do Paulette would you would you please stay and yes and bill would you please stay?