 Oh, I see. I see destiny. Sorry, there she is. I'm not sure if others are going to join us or not. Okay, I just wanted to make sure both the co-chairs were here. It's now 12-0-1. Do you think we should proceed with the meeting, destiny? Are you good with that? Yeah. All right, great. So for today, we do have the agenda. If you need a link, it's in the chat. We can certainly share it, destiny, if you don't mind throwing it back in in case. Today is December 19th. Don't forget the code of conduct for the meeting. Please behave yourselves as you're aware. Make sure that we adhere to the respectful and turn-taking and sharing and so forth. New faces. Do we have any new faces? I know. I think Jodi and Sharla and then Josh. There's, let me look around here. So let's go ahead. Introduce yourselves, new faces. Let's start with Sharla. Go ahead. Hi, everyone. Nice to meet you all. I think I've met a couple of you already and I'm looking forward to volunteering. I do public relations for speakeasy strategies. So the agency I work with supports Linux foundation in some professional capacities. In this role, I'm strictly volunteering my time. It's an awesome group of people and I would love nothing more than to do what I can and share my resources to help get your voices out more often in the media. And anyone who has not done media relations or interviews with reporters before, I'm more than happy to one-on-one have a conversation with you and give some tips and practices. And I know I have a few things on the agenda, but just as a general intro, looking forward to learning how I can support and get involved more and meet everybody. So nice to meet you. Oh, hello. Thank you, Sharla. Sharla, um, you're the one who got me on CNBC over the summer, right? Correct. Yep. Ah, yes, yes. That's what I thought. Well, bucket list check for me. Hopefully we can do something similar for more people as well and maybe some more opportunities with you too Rob. So, yeah. Yes, yes, for sure. And maybe we can get Anastasia on BBC, right? Exactly. Yeah. Start small. Just teasing, just teasing. Either way though. Alright, thank you so much for coming today and volunteering your time. We're always in need of help with PR and publicity publications and, you know, Catherine is really amazing has done a wonderful job, but to add another powerhouse to our group is always a bonus for all of us. So it's wonderful to have you. Thank you. And then who's next? I think Jodi. Hey, my name is Jodi. I have a friend at CNCF who recommended and sent me links to join this group. I've worked for quite a few years at in community living. So working often with people who were deaf, hard of hearing, as well as speech process and auditory processing and multiple other challenges. And now I work for an assistive technology company up in Canada. So we work with mostly employment related, but also school related providing assistive technology. And technology access to people across Canada. Oh, hello. Very cool. And you, if you need to enter the US, we do have the US footprint and or is I'm sorry, excuse me. Do you do anything in the US? You have a US footprint or European footprint as well? I don't understand the term footprint. Meaning like, do you have, you know, someone who's able to help out in the US and in the EU, or are you just limited to your Canadian area? Our company, the department that I work in is Canada only, but we do have an organization called Makers Making Change that works across the US as well. I don't know if we have any chapters in Europe though, but Makers Making Change provides all sorts of mostly 3D printed and open source assistive technology, things like switches, adaptive devices and so on. Understood. Very cool. And speaking of auditory and audiological devices, the audiological disorders do tend to use those types of things, which is an additional reason why we add captions for those who may have any sort of auditory difficulty. Utilizing captions does seem to help those as well. So very nice to have you and here supporting us. Thank you, Jodi. Thank you. It's great to meet you. Nice to meet you as well. And then who else wants to introduce themselves that's new to the group? Okay, it looks like we're good there. All right. Next on the agenda, we have Charlotte. I see that you put your name on the agenda here that you wanted to talk about PR opportunities. I saw that you mentioned that briefly, but let me look here a little bit further. Do you want to just go ahead and take the floor and walk us through kind of your agenda portion with us if you want to? And we can kind of see where we can go from there. And then do you have access to the agenda? Yes. Okay, fantastic. You can go right ahead and walk us through. Perfect. Thank you. So Catherine definitely helped me kind of carve this out, but the thought here is there's a couple services that journalists use to get sources and to help build out their stories and have more informed stories with people who are actually doing the work. So one of those is called Harrow, which stands for help a reporter out. And another one is called proff net. There's a few more that are popping up every day. But what I did here is I linked to an example of what it actually looks like in the emails that I get. And it's not just me. These go out to thousands of public relations professionals. And it's basically a compiled list of all the things that reporters are looking for sources around ranging from a foot doctor to a health expert to technology experts, all sorts of avenues. I'm already looking at these every day for clients. And what I was thinking is if anyone is interested in having their name in an article as an expert source on different technology related topics. I'm happy to work with you one on one to kind of better understand what your expert area, your area of expertise is. And I think Catherine, you said there was a document already where people were kind of able to add their name, title info and potential areas they are experts on. And then what journalists look for, you know, they'll write out a few questions and I guess I can click on the example here and kind of walk through. For instance, John Edwards is a reporter who writes for CIO. And he put an inquiry out asking for experts to answer four different questions. One was what's the best way to improve it performance without killing it team morale, for example. So what they are looking for in response to this is short sound bites that they can then integrate into their article, or steps for improvements or just basic things it if it's too long they won't read it. It also is hard to put in an article, generally articles are, you know, 500 words. So, then I can send this back to the reporter, or if you're interested in working without me being a bottleneck. Then you can also sign up for these services and I'm happy to review your answers and just see if you're on the right track and then go from there. And Catherine had the great idea in our Slack channel I can just create a thread and constantly update these as I see them and I would expect probably three opportunities a week and some obviously holidays are a little slow. You know, and that's if I'm obviously in the office and doing things but I will try and put them there and I'm happy to work collaboratively with you all if you have questions and get you, you know, on ramp to understand how this works and then hopefully we see some quick results to and I will limit it to what I call quality publications because there's a lot of random ones to that I don't think are probably worth your time. I'm happy to answer questions or go into more detail Rob, whatever you think is best. Right, yep. I mean, it is nice to have you know there are some of us that will be able to kind of provide our names. That way, you know, we can, we are leading experts in the industry and we do have very qualified people here in our group that can contribute and I think it will be nice to get our names out there if they are needed and certainly passing that along to us. Charlotte I know, you know, you may have some that are in India, Europe and UK so that way we can kind of get the word out even farther and share our expertise across the globe. We also kind of, then we'll have a better understanding of knowing how to show people that you know deaf and hard of hearing individuals have hiring potential and are great contributors to the, you know, technical community and so forth. So, I really appreciate that. Thank you. And I can see here, can I just introduce myself. Oh, sorry, Josh mentioning kind of looking to see to have two or three people introduce themselves so go ahead destiny. Destiny here. Hi Jodi and Charlotte, my name is destiny. Last name is O'Connor and the co-chair for this group. Very nice to meet you. I am the web developer and I was a speaker for excuse me interpreters just asking for clarification. Oh, Cuba con excuse me in Chicago of the keynote speaker for that and I have one of the I found one of the 10 nonprofits that shows the deaf and hard of hearings and technology and so I'm that's who I am so who would like to go next and for again it's nice to meet you all. And please the rest of you please feel free to introduce yourself and maybe you'd like to go next. I work as a lean software engineer with Norton, the company behind the Norton antivirus. I'm based out of India when it is like 145 AM for me in the night. But the passion of this group gives me a back when I was very happy to meet a couple of folks at the club called North America and since then I've been hooked to this group. Yes. And so I know that there are some here who are COAs. They may be hearing but they sign as well. John Z might be one of those coders excuse me. Yeah, I'm not a code. But my family a lot of my family is deaf and hard of hearing and so yeah, my name's john Zola. Nice to meet you all. My daughter is hard of hearing. Mom's uncle's lots of families my brother is deaf, etc. So that's why I'm involved in this. So I work in like the cloud native security and compliance. I learned the sign for compliance. Do we know is there a sign for what's the sign compliance. Okay, thanks. I'll go next. My name is Amy June Heinlein. And I currently work with the Linux Foundation building exams for emerging open source technology. But my roots are in digital accessibility. Hi Amy June. And Anastasia Anastasia says I'm Anastasia. I'm from Ukraine. But I am currently living in the UK. And I'm on the accessibility team for the British telecom company. Thank you. I'm excited to be here and have the opportunity to interact with all of you and make things more accessible. Because the industry that I work in I've noticed that there's issues with accessibility things are not often accessible especially conferences and I'm hoping that with our focus here will be able to impact that. And hopefully make it so that there are more conferences that are accessible and open up more pathways and more careers for people. Malad. He says I was hoping to go last. But it's fine, I'll go. Thank you. My name is Malad. That's my sign name for the dimple on my cheek. I live in Hungary and it's right in the middle of Europe. I've had two different videos that I promote as far as content technology for deaf people trying to spread awareness and increase that awareness throughout the world that deaf people are in technology and some of it we still need things to be accessible. And we work at a company and do tech services for different clients and most generally hearing clients and I grew up. I did web services before. Thank you destiny for finding me and introducing me to the group and bringing me along. It's been amazing. Thank you destiny for that opportunity to learn and to be amongst many deaf talented tech people here. It's amazing. I love it and I want to make the world a more accessible place and just thank you. Rob says in the interest of time we'll move on. Thank you. Thank you Malad. I'm still working to get Lennox Foundation event group team to get information from them as far as cost and on spent for accommodations for the conference to see if going forward how it is that we can make adjustments on that over time. So still working on that when I find out that information I will let you all know but I don't have those results yet. I'm I reached out to him once I need to follow up. I haven't been trying to be annoying to them. But if any of you also need mentoring. Let me know. I'm happy to assign people if you're interested in potentially setting up a program. Let me know. I know that sometimes deaf and hard of hearing people are scared to get into this tech space and we want to make it easier and more welcoming for them to be able to do so. So we're thinking potentially a mentorship program would be good. So definitely think about it if you're interested or not. EU prep. We've been talking with the Paris group. As far as what it is that they need from us. Trying to prep. We were just having some conversations at Slack. So. Sandy, I see you have your hand raised. You have a question. Yes. I have one question. So when you talk about mentorship, are you looking for mentors or mentees or both? Some of you are already had the skills and could be great mentors and others want to pick up some skills and would be good mentees. So we're definitely looking for both. So does this mean like potentially you could host a workshop and talk about technology? Would this be like presenting in a workshop? Is that mentorship? Rob says, no, that's a little bit differently. The goals and priorities are different. Different for a workshop versus mentorship workshop would be general learning about technology. I'm going to be hosting a Kubernetes workshop. So that would be for people to be able to learn. Whereas mentorship would be different. That's providing guidance. One on one. Handholding for the person. They potentially would share if they have a problem at work and get your feedback on it. Say like, what should I have done in this situation? Is it that I can get accommodations for like interpreters or captions or something like that? That's more of what mentorship would be, but we're hoping if we can plan that and come up with a program later. Catherine, you wanted to talk about sign language interpreters. Yeah, so as you've probably seen, we are trying to gather or create a database of sign language interpreters that are have experience with in the tech field around the world. So we created a form, a Google form, which I'll share here in the chat as well because we do have to sign language interpreters here who might be interested. So basically, I think this is ready. Celia from the Linux Foundation team asked me to add an additional question and some other CNCF verbiage that is now there. So I do think that we can start reaching out and sending this to interpreters. You know, right, like you have your favorite interpreters, you know they're good. And basically it's not only in the US, it's like everywhere. So the idea is if the CNCF needs one or if, for instance, a local event and Hungary needs one, you know, like, and then that they can see and find them easily. We also do not want to work with agencies. We wanted to work with freelancers directly. So, yeah, the freelancers get more money. It's a little bit more cheaper for us. So it's a win-win situation basically. So I think that is ready. And it will take a long time until we have a real good solid database, but you have to start somewhere, right? So hopefully in a few years we'll have a good amount of people in there. The other thing is for KubeCon Paris. So for the people who've been in, who have been in KubeCon Chicago, you've seen that there's a project pavilion. So where the projects are, right? Like I was there with the LinkedIn project. And so tags can also request kiosk. And it can be part-time. It doesn't have to be full-time. And so you share it. And I think or why I think it could be very valuable is because one of the things that is really key is, as I mentioned before, a lot of people have never, have never really interacted with anyone who is deaf or hard of hearing, right? So people don't understand the challenges. And it's like accessibility is this abstract concept. Everyone knows it's good and we should do it, but it doesn't feel real unless you meet someone and talk to someone, right? When you have a face and you know a story. So really these one-on-one encounters are really important to get real allies, right? People who are committed, right? And so what I was thinking is we could have one and then we don't have to have the whole team there. We would have like little shifts. You know, I think our tag, like the Tag Contributor Strategy has done that before where it's like a shift of one and a half hours. So two people are there. And then on the screen we have like a big contact to us, you know, want to meet a deaf engineer or something like, you know, encouraging people just to comment chat. And ask questions, you know, like what does it mean to be deaf and tech? What kind of access, like whatever they want to ask or engage or I don't know. It's just like having that contact and putting a face to this abstract concept of accessibility. I think it's really important. So, yeah, my question, what do you think? And that's mostly for the people who are hoping, who are planning to be in Paris, of course, because you would have to volunteer as well to be there for a little time. So open question to everyone. Okay, a thumbs up from Anastasia. Rob says, I think an hour or two hours, an hour and a half, like you said, rotate around. I think that that would be good. And if we have two or more people on each shift. Yeah, I think that we could come up with a schedule and make it work. If we don't have enough people there, maybe we could just do a morning session or an afternoon session. Either way. But we can play it by ear. Sorry, no, I said that the wrong way. Play it by eye. We're deaf people. We don't play it by ear. Okay. Great. And I did sign us up, by the way, anyways, because I was like, it's always first come first serve. So it's like, I told Rob, it's like, okay, if we don't, if we decide not to do it, we can always say, oops, sorry, no. So I think we're one of the first signing up. So we should get it. And then again, and then also just something to keep in mind, it's not like someone is going to see and say like, oh, you have to be there all the time. I mean, we shouldn't pick one and then never be there, right? Like, but they're like times when it's really like, we're like closer to the end. It's like, not as busy. So it's okay to kind of close down early, which other projects do as well. So. John, do you have a question or comment? Yeah, I was just thinking in terms of the public meeting and having those conversations that it's neat to be able to ask the question specifically of engineers and to have interpreters there to facilitate a very smooth conversation. But it might be interesting to sometimes not also not use interpreters so people understand you can come up and talk to someone directly and there are all of these tools that will help facilitate the communication between somebody who signs and somebody who doesn't sign. I like that. I have a question. Sure. Yeah. So, I like this. Beautiful of having this project. So how do we go about it? I mean, I mean, the desk for the CFP are already over. So how do we go about setting this up? Getting a project. Getting a kiosk in the project. You mean. Yeah, that is something if you have a project, like, for instance, where my company is part of the linker D project. Or if you're part of a tag, like Josh and I, you get an email saying, this is available. This is not available for the public. So you don't, you have to be a CNCF project or a tag. So this is not, it's free, which is kind of nice. So like if you have a booth, right, like you saw at KubeCon, that's very expensive. Companies have to buy that. But the little kiosk are free. And it's all open source or community stuff. So they send an email and there is a form and it's first come first service, which is why I submitted it right away. And we will find out. I don't know when, but yeah. So that's how it works. It's internal. It's not something you will see externally. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. And one more thing. So basically on from the advocacy side, the stuff that is next on our to-do list is, so as you all know, we created a recommendation for conferences on a, on the website. And after that, we did all these Google docs with recommendations after or feedback after Chicago and for Paris. And that's all in our drive. And that's not ideal. So I'm not really looking for it. But of course, the right thing to do is kind of put that all in the public recommendations, right? So we should kind of see like, like, because we've learned a lot going there. We should update that. So I think that's important because we want that to be as accurate and complete as possible, because hopefully at some point other conferences will know about this page and will come and look for guidance. So, and then as a reminder we did have, so I don't know. I'm lying wise. The CMCF was willing to create a award for companies that hire people with disabilities. So it's up to us to come up with a award name and create a form similar to the one for the interpreters. Something were, how do you nominate someone were talking last time about maybe not anyone should be able to nominate someone, maybe people who are who have some type of disability are the most are the ones who should nominate. I don't know, like we have to think about that how we want to do this. We have a lot of things on our to do list. So I don't know where, I mean it would be great to have it for Paris but we might not get it on time because you also need time for people to nominate and so on. But we may try and the other thing the last thing that we that is kind of like, yeah, that it would be great if we can do that soon as recommendation for community events. That are the events, like the one that me like you try to attend right like what can they do to make it more to be more accessible and also I did ask the CMCF if they would be willing to have like accessibility technology tool kit that they pay for and that local events could do that. And they said yes but that again is up to us to come up with what would that be what is it what does it look like and so on. So yeah that's like the things that kind of I kind of had put on the list that I think that we should be working on just FYI and then like I'll start pushing that on the slack channel would be great if we could get input and help. And I think with that, I'm done with my points. Okay. Okay, great. Thank you for that. I appreciate that Sandy by see you have a question. Yeah. So my question is that we have like a lot of Google documents. Okay, we have a lot of Google form. Maybe we try to put everything in one place. Because in the last in one week I'm pulling up like three different documents and sometimes I sort of lose sense of which document I'm filling out where to start. So maybe we have a single page that lists the documents like indexing it and then linking to the document that you would. Yes, so ideally everything should be everything that's conference related. I'm going to go ahead Catherine sorry. Sorry, was I over. Everything should be in that on that website. Ultimately, like the link that I just put in the chat. I just wanted to mention that you know slack may be a good option as well because within slack there is the pinned option. So if you go into that and you pin those those various documents are listed within that area so we can utilize that option. And that may be a nice starting point for us to kind of centralize this. I know that Josh who just left the meeting the one with the beard. We're going to be organizing right now and making sure that all of our docs and Google docs are at a better, better to be in an organized manner and I'm not sure if he shared with the rest of the group but the chair person. So basically so everything has a home and is more easily accessible for all of us and I will share that that pinned area share that in that pinned area as well on slack. Well, we actually have so the folder is pinned there. So maybe that's something that I should have said before so the folder so we have a shared folder for our group. So within that folder or sub folders for stuff for the website for subject matter experts where the stuff is in that charlotte is working on and so we've been trying to keep it very organized. So that's where you find everything. I thought you were referring because we had so many coupons documents and that's true, because we were rolling it out first is like feedback, and then. But so that is not ideal, of course, right because it should be all in one document. And that's just like to work and I get the flow and get people to kind of put their thoughts in it. And of course, ultimately, it should all be in that one document together, right people should not be looking and it should be public because we want everything we're working on right that's taking time and effort. We shouldn't hide it in some Google Drive it should be available for the world to see and use. Awesome. Okay. So it's now 36 after the hour. I think we're kind of on a good time right now as far as our pace goes. So I think that we had something on CLG, excuse me, I'm sorry. Yeah, I just wanted to share that we are going to have the cuba con group with Rob on the 18th of January. Rob's at following Rob's lunchtime, which I believe is a cuba con workshop, excuse me. I'm suggesting the 28th with Rob in ASL, or if you may have some better ideas on please feel free to share that with me. Then the format as far as the Q or Q&A or if we're just going to do like one session, maybe a 10 minute Q&A session and 40 minutes of presentation and then 10 minutes of Q&A or two separate sessions with 10 minutes. And then another 40 minutes and 10 minutes, like what you may think is best as far as how to set that up. Rob here, Sandeep. We're on Agenda, the item that says Anastasia and it's Deaf in Cloud, the organization for the 28th, the crash course with Rob. The Kubernetes workshop. Kubernetes workshop, excuse me, thank you. Do you see where we're referring to Sandeep? Okay, Sandeep, are you okay with that? Okay. Destiny here. The interpreter is just trying to watch what Anastasia said because some of the words aren't translating accurately into the closed caption. So Sandeep is getting a little lost because the closed caption is picking up what the interpreter is saying right now with the interpreter having to kind of try to figure out the context here accurately. So that's why Rob's relaying the agenda item. Great. Anastasia here. So one session, should we do that or should we have two sessions separately? What would you think is best? Rob answering, I think there's probably going to need to be a total of four or five. Okay, would you like them to be one hour or two hours? I'm feeling like each session being one hour would make the most sense in response to that Anastasia. Okay, so will we do them bi-weekly or do you want them once a month? I think maybe if we do them weekly or bi-weekly is best in my opinion Rob here. And then Anastasia is saying okay, so we need to kind of set the dates. So what do you think is best? For example, I, you know, I'm thinking maybe what we should do is just maybe one date have a presentation and then say maybe the next date is when we can have some response. I think that we need to kind of decide the dates, first of all, and then from there kind of who is going to be in attendance from our group, who will be presenting. And then, oh, and yes, the registration when we will have the pre-registration open so people can go ahead and register or scholarship registration links or, you know, kind of make those calls. For the interpreter though, I think we just need to clarify what you said. So pre-con registration is open. So we need to send out an application or the word here Destiny is clarifying Rob saying it's fine. I think I can share in Slack Rob here. I think somebody else's Catherine is has her hand up. Yeah, I think, because I saw here on the note like so basically you're asking if you should register for KubeCon because I know someone hosted something in the Slack. You're awesome. You're all applied for the scholarship so you have to wait until that is approved so no action needed until until you actually get approval otherwise you would have to pay right so because then you get a little code that tells you it's free. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay, so I think we're good. Yeah, so I think Rob saying here go ahead register for the scholarship send in your registration for the KubeCon but hang on to that registration to find before you until you find out whether you're paying for yourself and then as far as the hotel goes I do recommend that you go ahead and reserve that now. You can always cancel that within 72 beyond 72 hours so that I would suggest you go ahead and book your hotel room so that way if you do get the scholarship you're ready. As far as scholarships, let me think what else is in my brain her scholarships registrations hotel yep lights will hold off on as well until we know more but yeah. And also if I may say real quick. So because our team already booked hotels and the hotels through the website are either non refundable or really expensive and we found one that is fairly close and walking distance and was on the cheaper site like for Paris cheap that's it. So I shared that I can share that again but you can do your own research to but like we had a pro doing research so it's like, if you want you can do that that should be completely refundable. And yeah, for some reason it was not very convenient the way they did it this time, because you definitely want to be sure you have something refundable and until you get confirmation. Understood. Yes. Plus, we might be in the same hotel which would be fun. It would be fun if we were all in same hotel yes. Anastasia says I actually forgot one more thing. Milad, can you show that management session document. Yeah, I think it'll be a live presentation at cube con. And I feel like we can be flexible with the presentation. The important thing is that we have questions hopefully in advance that we can have as part of the program. So, almost like a chat feature that would pop up for us. And if we saw that there was a good question that came up then we would automatically advance that question so that we answered it during our presentation. If the questions didn't seem immediate, then we could just hold all of the questions till the end, but really we would be kind of filtering them out as we were presenting so that if they seemed super pertinent we could answer them if not, we could wait until the end. And I think it a little bit more interesting would love to have a discussion on more how we can get that to be more interactive and direct and make it so people learn from it. I just wanted to say, oops. And Rob says yeah we can figure that out as it gets closer. Go ahead, Catherine. Yeah, so I just wanted to say we were talking about the meetup group, not cube con right now because there's some confusion. So cube con is the big conference, right. And that Anastasia are now officially the co-organizers of the first deaf community group of the CNCF. So that's really exciting. I think I shared with you with a little link. So those are the meetup events that Rob will start and so on. It's a different thing from cube con. Just because I think like at some point cube con was said, and I just wanted to clarify so there's no confusion. The interpreter probably missed that. It's confusing with so many events. Yeah. Okay, Catherine, the video interpreter or the interpreter video. Actually, any questions before we jump on to that topic. And destiny says, um, I wanted to talk about the, um, I want to talk about the deaf cloud native and community crash course with Rob. That's going to be starting soon in January. He says the third week of January, the third week of January. Okay. It's going to be live. It's going to be an hour during my lunchtime. Um, for you, it would be two o'clock in St. Louis destiny. Um, Cindy, but it's probably midnight for you. Sorry. Cindy, go ahead first. You have a question. Yes, I have a question. So I think Catherine, uh, uh, you just now saying that you are talking about the meetup. The deaf in the cloud native. Uh, so I think it says that where we host regular tech meetups in sign language. So like if I want to present that the meetup cannot present or only signers can present. Um, so far we don't have any sign language interpreters. Um, we, I think we should, we could probably ask if the CNCF could provide one. I'm sure they would do that. I know. Yeah. But we would have to request that because right now we just did it. But I think that because it doesn't require any, we can just run with that. We don't need any support other than the platforms that any other group is using as well. But I think we should be, we could definitely ask for that. And my feeling is, because it's just an hour that that should be doable, but I cannot promise because I'm not signing off on budgets, but let's plan for it and ask. Yeah, John. You posted about ambassador funding. Lots of stuff. Thank you. I just wanted to add to Sandeep's comment. I know that we want to learn from this group and you want to learn from the presentations and the one on one. But I think right now we're in it the infancy stages in figuring out how it is that we want to proceed with this and how it is that we want it to flow. I feel like once we become a little bit more mature, we'll understand what it is that we want to do and we'll have kind of a proof of concept that we can give to CNCF that they would be willing to support more so instead of something in such an infant stage. And then hopefully, as we become more robust, we can make it accessible for everyone. That's just my thought. Yeah. And so, well, one of the exciting things is, is that on that platform, you have like meetup groups all over the world, right? Like, and then now we have like one that is for the deaf community. So that's, that's great, right? And we are also requesting if we could get like a YouTube channel because I would love to have signed content on our YouTube channel. So we're Anastasia, Mila and me and are on a Slack DM with the CNCF person to just see like how does it work, setting up the tools and so on. Because it would be great to have like all that content like in one place and also for the CNCF or Linux Foundation to own it gives it a little bit more credibility out there. And one of the things that I was thinking as well is like the creating videos for interpreters about cloud native terms how to sign them, right? Because we, like now for Paris, we're going to have like interpreters in Paris and then, okay, how do you sign all these cloud native things? And I think they're probably not like, maybe they're not established terms, but maybe this group can somehow say like, let's just agree on doing it like like little intro videos. So interpreters can see that before they go to Paris or whichever conference and are a little bit more prepared. So I think for the YouTube channel, it would have like that's the content and sign language. And but also like we could have like a list where we do like stuff for resources for interpreters because the more the interpreters know, the better they can serve you. And it's like really a win-win situation, right? And specifically with such a thing that's so niche as cloud native, we need to help because, yeah, it's just hard otherwise, right? So I was seeing like the thing is like I was seeing like doing this, these videos as part of that community group, be it like live or like just as a YouTube channel because the YouTube channel I kind of see like as the same kind of project. So Milad and Anastasia, I just volunteered you for that. Sorry. Sounds good. I was thinking that we're probably going to need a platform for putting all of this information down. And Rob says the different quotes or what do you mean? It's just like the content. Rob says, so, oh, what technology CNCF has? No, no, no, no, no, for the interpreters. Oh, okay. For the interpreters so that they can understand or learn the words. Oh, okay. Various levels. Okay. And she said, maybe we have it on a website or, okay, that YouTube, Rob says YouTube. Yeah. Basically what Katherine was just saying. Yeah. And we can also include that in the website have like a section for interpreters where we have the embedded YouTube videos, right? And then you have two places where people can find it. Yeah, that's all I had regarding that video. He says, or we can make like a Marco Polo, oh no, sorry, an MP4 video and then upload that on GitHub. Like Sandeep was saying, either way, yeah. But I think it's always going to be easier for an interpreter to just click on a link and probably YouTube might be easier for just random interpreters to find. However, it would be good to have it in two different places. We can have it in our own personal documentation like would be GitHub and then YouTube. Okay. Rob says, okay, I do believe that's it and it is 54 after the hour. So the floor is open for five, six minutes, anything that you all want to add. And Malat says, Paris Hotel. Paris Hotel. I feel like I was a little bit shocked that they're saying, book the hotels now. I'm like, wow, how do we go about doing that? I want to make sure that, I mean, I do want to make sure that we're all staying at the same hotel. I'm hoping that we can do that. Maybe we booked or have a conversation about it after the holidays, hoping we can find a hotel that's not super expensive. I didn't really want to book the hotel and then not have the scholarship happen. So when do we think we're going to hear back as far as if we got the scholarship or if we have to pay? Well, I don't know when exactly you're going to get it, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of the hotels can, will be booked out when you know it, like the closest ones. So you can always book a hotel and cancel later. So that's why I was saying do not book through the CNC, like the QQAN one because for some reasons they're not refundable. I'm not sure you have to pay right. I think you can just book and then you don't even have to pay right away. So if you have that flexibility, I would just do it now. And then when you hear back, just make sure that like when is the date and so on and then normally it should be by the time you know you should be able to book and to just cancel should you have a no. But I would not wait because it's a big conference and the more we wait, the further away you will be. Rob and Destiny were pretty far away right like so just because they wait like they only booked it afterwards so and they needed an Uber right like well we also needed an Uber but We'll have to talk about that. We did have one point though Rob regarding the meeting. That's the last point on the agenda. So who want to reevaluate it because some deep cannot like this is obviously not a great time for. Right, right. Yeah. We're going to change the meeting time every month to rotate times. Last month. What time did we meet on the session says five. Okay, five. Five. Destiny says it was 10 in the morning for us. Okay, 10. And then just now was to. Huh. Okay. Yeah, I was thinking based on Chicago time before it was 10. And now we were just going to go back and forth between 10 and two. But that would make it so that the meeting should we follow European time what seems like there's a good amount of Europeans here. I want to be respectful of their time. We have one person in India. We have a good amount from Europe. So what would the best time be when do you work when would we don't have to fit the US time zone. I'm a lot says I feel like 10 in the morning works. Rob says Cindy. Cindy, do you work following US time zones or do you follow in India time zone. I work in the India time zone, but sometimes I also work in the US time zone, probably like not entire night. Yeah, because sometimes I have like I'm the only person in India in my team. So if I want to catch up with the fox in the USA, I stay up late. So maybe I think we can do like something like a nine a.m. BST or something. Nine a.m. Pacific time. Yeah, morning. Nine PST so 11. Okay, okay. Not too far from now. No, it will be like 1030, 1030 p.m. in the night for me. That's okay. Okay, the only thing that I want. Oops. So UTC that means nine. Five, five p.m. six p.m. right interpreter has a hard stop. Okay. Okay, we, we do it on slack. We continue on slack the conversation. Okay. Thank you. Bye.