 All right, it's live No, I need to go to From Cleveland and Los Angeles I've never been to Cleveland. You know what I hear it's lovely. I All I've seen is Was it hot in Cleveland that's yeah, oh, it's it's that's pretty much perfect encapsulation of it There's just Betty whites is cruising around That's the only thing I know about hot in Cleveland That Betty whites it I'm sorry. I wish I could I had better hot in Cleveland polls than that, but sadly no but Yeah, it's it's a it's a cool little Berg. I guess it's a place to live so yeah, and the other thing probably not not as As positive as the hastily made tourism video. Oh, yeah, that's that's great like every every Cleveland or loves that so much That's the he's that guy's like a local Like local famous comedian Mike Polk. He's he's real. He's hot nice. Yeah Keith can you hear us? I can hear you. Can you guys here and see me? We can do both. Yeah. Hey Keith. How's it going, Rich? That's going pretty good. Thanks so much for doing this. It's really cool Not a problem at all. Just an FYI. We are live to like this is the pre-show, but it's streamed live FYI any secrets anything you can't reveal to anyone else I'm glad I took down my super secret whiteboard then Is there a way to boost your audio from your end or I can boost it on my end, but it might sound kind of crackly The chat, but oh I need to Is that any better? Yes. Yes. All right. Let me go grab a Headset so I'm not feeding back to you guys. Oh, okay. Oh, I'm gonna grab a glass of water really quick I just realized I am parched so hold on. Sorry internet How do I turn off the chat anyone in the chat room? No, how do I turn off this chat? Man settings is under advanced settings. Oh There it is enable live chat Saving saving Right Zoe brings bacon. Is it has it diminished or has it disappeared? Hopefully it has Nobody's oh, yeah, it's running right now Alright, see this is the Cleveland love right here There we go Looks like the logo from major league. That's why I own it. Take it for what you will close out a slack I think Just Thank you chat. I'm not gonna log into the chat. I my screen is it's too full too many things No This uh, I'm not a big fan of this. I make camera Is that just the built-in guy you're using? Yeah, the They're a little reorganizing my wife had a event and I usually use my logic tech camera, which is a oldie bug goodie and Keith I just wanted to double check with you Keith Townsend CTO advisor Yeah, okay. I prefer the CTO advisor, but you know what we can go with the CTO advisor because you know You're not a CTO advisor. I'm not a CT. I'm the CTO Cool and then so Keith basically what's gonna happen is Rich We'll start off the show. He's gonna read two news items that you can or don't have to chime in on Once we get into the top stories when he does the little music segue Thing Feel free to chime in on on some of these stories like if you have a couple of words or sentences you want to add to these Just basically six seven how many did I put in six He's really able to access the spreadsheet by chance. Yeah, I checked out both of the stories at least Unless you've updated them in the past hour or so. I think we just rearranged them. So you should be and Then we'll have the main discussion topic. That's where you guys go on the impact of the Apple iPhone Then we go into viewer feedback one is from Mick Mike. Am I am I see is Mick, right? Mike I feel more comfortable saying Mike. I mean personally Mike Mike from down under. Oh, I should sit down under not down There's an instance feedback Jump banter says good day all and then you can add read these Rich and then Keith will you can feel free to add Any thoughts you would like and then we said thank you to Keith. Thanks to the audience Plug Patreon and then plug the fact that tomorrow will be a show A nerd-tacular show yeah starts Starts an hour earlier an hour earlier because of the mountain time Yeah, because of the mountain time Starnmark mountains interfering with the space time continuum. It's the worst It's like Keith I gotta get one of those boom arms, you know I like like my radio training has me with like the spring-loaded one But there's no good way not to put it just right in especially with the pop card I guess that's the problem is the pop card, but That seems to work way better the I went through a couple of I hit the spring arm one and I didn't care much for it Then I end up a buddy of mine's who's like into audio. You should really try the the traditional Arm like that, you know what I've settled on it and I like it It's not as good for uh, I want to get uh some lapel mics like what we use in tech field day when they get out of the way And you know, I don't have for the most part. I don't have kids at home. So the I don't have to worry about background noise and a lot of other stuff You should look at the uh, we've we've been trying out the movos They have like some lapel mics that are like pretty affordable and and pretty good quality like they're like I don't know 80 of like a shore $150 was sm 93 But they're like 45 bucks a piece and uh, they're they sound pretty good Yeah, I like this guy really good. This is the Uh, who recommended this to me, um, john treuer the Uh, the 58 beta something another so oh, yeah, yeah, yeah the um, yeah That's like a version of like a super popular Yeah, stage mic. Yeah, I got a couple of the 58 just for travel because they're a little bit less expensive But there are a ton there I tried taking them as a mobile podcasting Thing and it just didn't work out. Yeah Yeah, it's it's tough to To have something you can take on the move and I mean, that's yeah That's what we deal all the time with tech field is like what can you fit in a one bag that you put on the you know, the airplane And uh, can still sound pretty good. So it's it's always a struggle Um for anyone join us right now in the chat room or the live stream Reminder that tom is currently traveling today. So rich truffle, you know, has generously Agree to fill in for instead or be joined by keith townson Uh, I have a picture of air bnb for my face Um, but that said we'll probably start in a couple of minutes or we could start now if you if you feel comfortable fit rich Uh, let's let's let's give it the fight. You know, I don't want to jump the gun here. We're we're two whole minutes early I don't want to upset anybody agr I guess we could go early Is that okay chat room? I can't see again. I am not going to see anything that you type today But I hope I can so if you if you I literally I do not want any feedback I issue all advice from the chat room There's an sat word Because on my word of the day, I thought you uh, kind of had a cold or something I That's my name I'm gonna hide myself. So, um, I guess you start your recording Okay, and then we'll um and give it like a beat and then you can just start the You can start to read and then start the music like that basically you would Yeah, you you basically start with um Um You know daily techno shoot new shows about re you blah blah and then start the music and then this is today for thursday Oh, my daughter's trying to get in The room All right, I'm gonna hide and so I'll give whenever you're Feeling good sounds good. Uh, we'll get started. Uh, then Keith if that's cool with you I'm ready whenever you are. All right The daily tech news show is powered by you to find out how you can donate and support the show Head to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news show for thursday june 29 2017 I'm rich draffolino filling in for the traveling man himself Tom merit joining me today. We have on the other side of cyberspace. I don't know if it's the exact other side But what have you we have keith townsen the cto advisor himself Keith welcome to the show rich. Thanks for having me This is cool. Uh, so let's get started with a few tech things you should know Bloomberg reports air b&b is planning a new rental tier for luxury homes mansions and penthouses Tests and limited markets will start at the end of the year If successful the service will broaden out to additional locations So air b&b trying to go a little swanky Although from my experience just kind of browsing around for for fun and whatnot You know, there are some already some pretty nice listings. I'll be interested to see like just how Swanky and exclusive uh these get could be very interesting. Yeah, you know, it's pretty interesting I won't be on either side of that so Not an air b&b and or penthouse Renter fan, you know, I'm a big fan of air b&b in general But I just don't have a penthouse nor a mansion to put on the new on the new and I won't be raining one either So we'll we'll have to we'll have to get feedback from someone else All right, representative catherine clark of massachusetts Representative susan brooks of indiana and patrick mehan of pennsylvania have proposed the online safety modernization act of 2017 A bill that would outlaw cyber crimes against individuals including sex storying sexual imagery from people through blackmail falsely reporting an emergency to provoke a swat team response and doxing people by disclosing personal information to cause harm 24 million dollars is included in grants for training and to establish a national resource center of cyber crimes against individuals This is really uh, really interesting to me because it's one thing to criminalize You know the act of doxing some of the act of swatting someone But it's it's uh, one it's encouraging that this is a bipartisan effort Which gives me some hope that this might actually go somewhere Although evidently there is no version in congress or in the senate yet. So that's kind of iffy But i'm really encouraged that they're they're putting together their thinking of enforcement and they're they're actually giving resources to law enforcement Yeah, and I thought about this a little bit I looked at it like this sounds more like one of those and what we call the us one of those state right issues But then I thought about how hard this is to enforce in cyberspace Where you know as you said in the onus that you could be on the other side of cyberspace and what happens when someone docks you In one state in your and you live in another. So, you know, I think overall this is a good move All right. Now, let's move on to some top stories two pieces of big cloud news keith I think that you might find this interesting Microsoft confirmed the acquisition of cloud in for reportedly between 50 to 70 million dollars Cloud in helps enterprises optimize investments in cloud services Basically, it just gives them a better idea of how effective their money is in a particular cloud instance Meanwhile, google and new tanix announced a strategic partnership around hybrid cloud deployments Along for onsite and cloud infrastructure within a unified service and manage kind of in a unified interface This includes better integrations with uh containers Which are super hot in the enterprise right now and the ability to combine new tanix with google's cloud's tensor flow in edge Computing environments. Those are a lot of buzzwords Keith what's the bigger deal here kind of the multi cloud deal that microsoft made or this hybrid cloud partnership That that google made You know, I think the partnership with new tanix and google is a bigger deal new tanix has their next next conf going on right now And vmware has made splash with with their vmware on aws cloud This is I think competitive a little bit towards that for people who who are not in that vmware camp The microsoft announcement, you know what there's solutions already on a market that's competitive to it So it's not like microsoft is adding a new capability. Whereas the new tanix google relationship I think is a net new capability I do think it's interesting though that's you know, this is this to me seems symptomatic of kind of the satchamania That's taken over microsoft last couple years again kind of giving more tools to maybe, you know Do more comparison between services not strictly looking to lock you into azure Although i'm sure you know the the benefit of this is that they can maybe hopefully use the analytics that cloudin has to You know better better serve customers and and you know better compete, but it's just kind of interesting Yeah, you know the and it's interesting that microsoft itself will be able to get inside into customer workloads That are not in azure So they can actually see how much spending at least at the aggregate level that customers have in azure Versus google compute or even aws So, you know, it'll be interesting to see what type of metadata microsoft is able to collect as a aspect of having this service Although this is just uh, you know, this might be the first time a lot of listeners of this show have heard Of new tanix, but i feel like that's gonna crop more and more maybe not do public consciousness, but for people that follow the tech You know new tanix is is moving and making some deals and they're they're interesting company to watch in kind of the virtualization space so Definitely remember the name In ai news adobe analytics cloud is launching a new voice analytics offering to track how users interact with voice services from amazon google and apple the voice analytics service will integrate adobe's ai and machine learning service sensei instagram has announced it will be uh begin using parent companies facebook language ai Deep text to filter comments that violate instagram's community guidelines The service is currently english only but there are plans to add more languages, which i think Uh will hopefully decrease on like weird, you know russian comments on your facebook stream or your your instagram stream You know kind of two very different looks here obviously adobe Uh clearly looking to uh increase revenue to make their to make their analytics service Just kind of more applicable for the for modernity as it were um You know interesting that brands can get insight into how people are using voice services I think that's uh, you know right now it seems like google amazon And uh, you know coming up now apple are really the only ones that we're gonna be able to take advantage of that And now with this kind of analytics engine adobe's kind of opening up to brands and and to other to other companies so it Hopefully leads to better voice services, right? Yeah, and just in general larger trend ai email machine learning as a as a service These are really complex tools to enable whether you're an app developer a A consumer products company Just these tech companies starting to repit themselves and Provide these as a service i'm i'm kind of excited to see what new capability it gives me as a consumer Yeah, the the interesting thing for uh instagram's part one is If you read the wired article that was that we have here in our show notes the It's one it leads into an interesting relationship between how instagram operates and facebook operates Even though they're all, you know, obviously, you know, they're owned in common Um, it was instagram kind of had to go to facebook for permission to use a deep text when they initially rolled this out It was initially rolled out to purely eliminate spam comments I think late last year they really started doing this and now this is moving into strictly objectionable ones And i'm surprised i'm not hearing a little bit more. Um, maybe dissatisfaction with that I know instagram doesn't have the same feeling as like twitter like if twitter did this Even if it made twitter a thousand times like better as a service for most human beings Who'll be up in arms? There would be free speech issues But because instagram one is where you go to look at cute pictures of toy fox terriers hashtag toy fox terrier hashtag buttons the dog Um, you can i think instagram has a little more leeway to get away with this now If this rolls over into facebook and all of a sudden, you know Quote on quote objectionable comments start, you know disappearing from facebook Then i think we'll we'll see the free speech issue come up Well, you know what not just free speech, but let's fast forward this This is a precursor to being focused on the instagram conversation. What happens when google facebook get better at uh, ai when it comes to image identification and then you start censoring images based on uh, ai intelligence So, you know, we've gotten around, you know, we see facebook has added that fancy new background to Memeify your Text because they couldn't search that text so they've come up solutions at some point They're going to crack that nut and i think that's when we start to see a revolt on the instagram users when They either start to implant ads or do something that the offense that crowd Well, what but also becomes interesting if you actually read their community guidelines There's a lot of unsurprising things, you know, uh, they really, you know, don't like nudity. Uh, they don't like, uh, you know, uh Certain culturally sensitive Topics but the one that really interested me was in terms of breaking news In terms of, you know, quote-unquote extreme content and how that can kind of blend over perhaps into You know extremist recruitment or something like that I think that is where you might see a little bit of a gray area in terms of people commenting on that especially, you know, if people someone takes a photo of you know, a Something that would provoke an extreme emotional response. You're going to get extremely emotional comments now Maybe the ai is going to be smart enough. It sounded like they designed it to give greater credence to people in your kind of Your social graph versus, you know, people you've never met or people that are kind of further away from that So if they can That's where the nuance becomes really challenging. I think for that But that's what ai's for right? Yeah, you think about ai and the promise of ai and context awareness, you know earlier today this whole thing with, uh President trump tweeting about the tv show and the response the whole tweeted the picture of cheerios with small hands Normal ai wouldn't or normal filters wouldn't be able to pick up the nuance of that conversation Yeah, so, you know when you talk about extremist views these inside type of jokes or inside messages You would think ai starts to pick on those things and so to the layperson who didn't know the back and forth of today's conversation You know, there was no reference to any other person other than the box of cheerios And if ai is able to pick up on that in context and then you get into the issue of false positives That's really I think where it starts to get interesting the old slippery slope I'm slipping down Well, russia will no longer consider banning the telegram messaging app after the company's founder pavel durov Agreed to register with the russian authorities telegram initially refused to comply out of privacy concerns Over social media durov said he would not do anything that would violate users privacy One thing that I think is interesting here is this is not the first country that telegram has had to register And actually they had to register in the uk So I don't think that necessarily, you know, I I think a lot of people here are are seeing smoke and assuming there's a fire maybe Uh by the fact that you know russia and telegram are now kind of seem to be okay now Reading between the lines. It sounds like this might just be a legal battle That's you know, gonna come up at some point because russian law does state that telecom companies have to carry, you know records of transit and records of Messages going over their service. So I think at some point this is just a court battle waiting to happen Yeah, I don't know if this was just a way for both parties to say face showdown Russia being able to back away and saying, you know what super popular service We don't want to drive the users to a service that will be Uh even more underground will work with these guys and eventually come up with a solution and then of course If you're the messaging app you you want to stay in russia? Well, I think this is what they're if not their biggest market one of their biggest markets So, you know, it's uh, it's it's a way to say you face absolutely Well, president trump nominated brendan car as a commissioner with the fcc Car started working for the fcc in 2012 as as a attorney advisor, uh recruited by uh now chairman ajit pai And it was recently named the agency's acting general counsel Prior to government work car worked as a lawyer for the law firm wiley rain Representing at&t verizon the us telecom trade association and their lobbying arm this ct ia Car's nomination now goes to the senate for approval Now, I know like the you know, if if you are a fan of ajit pai. This is a completely Expected move. Uh, he seems to be uh, you know, someone who is closely ideologically aligned if you're not you're saying This is the end of the world. Uh, you're pulling your hair out But the one thing to keep in mind and i'm you know, I don't want to make this more than anything But um, you know, uh saint tom wheeler the uh outgoing or they're now former fcc chairman Used to be the head lobbyist or used to work hand in hand with the ct ia So, you know, just again a background with a lobbying firm. I don't think necessarily indicates uh intent, but Well, we'll we'll see where this goes. That's all his resume. I'm like is this tom wheeler 2.0 and That would be great if you you know agree with tom's Uh positions on net neutrality and and soul for but uh, you know what? Elections have consequences Well, and you know, this uh, this kind of uh to to to steal uh something from the make me smart podcast in the normal Not normal dichotomy. This is normal. This is what ajit pai is going to do He's going to appoint a commissioner that you know that he's worked with that he trusts that he knows kind of where he's at Yeah, I don't see where the surprise is this, you know, yeah Elon musk announced that the boring company completed the first segment of a tunnel in la That's los angeles uh for you people not in the area as part of a network running from lax to sherman oaks california Although the exact length and location was not revealed The company had previously successfully drilled uh test tunnels in the space x parking lot that I'm assuming space x has a rather large parking lot. I mean they build rockets So they have to park them somewhere but To go from that. I know that we're having some municipal issues with The city of los angeles in terms of making sure they had the right permits making sure they would save to drill in certain places I think it's very telling that we don't know exactly where this is at Um, but keith are you looking forward to taking a super high speed private tunnel beneath la? you know, I can't get past that scene and the uh The what was the oceans 13 with you know, this is the this is the site This is the drill that built that that drilled the other side and and But yeah something about being hurled at that speed in a tunnel just doesn't appeal to me for some reason I don't know what I don't know what about it. It just doesn't Maybe it's the darkness or inescapable doom keith. It could be either one You know, I I I appreciate again the the craziness of elon musk seemingly being bored and coming up with new transportation technologies But I will wait until this is more than an unnamed segments somewhere between la x and german oaks. 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Then we're talking bud five It took me how many years to figure out that people would pay extra for that So i'm assuming comcast will take at least another two decades to figure that out All right, and finally kind of in our top stories tinder announced a new paid tier for their service called tinder gold Which will give access to a like you grid of profiles who have already liked your profile Tender gold users will also get access to all the features of tinder plus Which among other things allows you to rewind accidental swipes No set pricing was announced, but these service will initially roll out in beta in argentina, australia, canada and mexico I really enjoy that tinder is now going from strictly a Narcissistic service to also a solipsistic service at the same time. Um Keith i'll be real here, uh I married my high school sweetheart, so I have no experience with tinder Uh, does tinder gold sound appealing to you? You know, I've been married for uh, just under 20 years. So just in case my wife watches this Uh, that gives modal articles the first time i've ever even seen the the tender interface. So hun that so no, it doesn't Feel to me at all. It kind of goes right over my head. Yeah All right, and those are your top stories All right, so uh today we have uh kind of a big thing that's been sparing up in the Spurring up that's not a word coming up in the news. Uh, pretty much the last two weeks I've been seeing kind of thought pieces on this. It's the 10 year anniversary of the iphone. So let's take a listen to A little something from 10 years ago This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half years all the clapping An ipod A phone And an internet communicator Hmm an ipod A phone Internet communicator I Three separate devices. What? This is one device Now how much would you pay? And we are calling it iphone So there we have the uh jubilant applause of uh people at the apple keynotes But yeah, that was from the original iphone announcement in january, I believe of the year, but july 29 2007 was when it came out and you can be a You know a a apple hater. You can be the biggest apple fanboy, but I think it's kind of uh impossible to say To it's had no way. I mean it certainly has had a substantial impact, you know across a variety of sectors Um the the one thing I really loved about that clip though watching the keynote in and of itself It's a little long, but uh, it's interesting to see what the initial kind of envisioned What was envisioned with the with the original iphone like you heard there a phone An ipod and an internet communicator sounds almost laughably quaint um now 10 years in Is that is that's not how we think about the iphone in any way right keith? Not in in essence. I'm flashing back to that time as I was preparing and reading and thinking back to this You know, I Tried to sell my wife on the ideal of her being the first experiment in our house to get an iphone And she didn't get the the appeal of it at all. She had an ipac Uh hp ipac, you know what? As a matter of fact, she would never let me sell it. This is my drunk junk drawer now And she was like, yeah, I was up to like five years ago. She's like, yeah I still want to hang on to it because I don't know if this Don't know if the smartphone thing's taking off. I don't know if this is actually gonna to kick off But no, it's it's not what we we thought it would be Uh at all. I don't think Yeah, it originally launched an atnt exclusive and it's kind of hard to think but that back that back that long ago that atnt itself was kind of new as a recombined entity coming from the parts of singular and one of the Baby bells that kind of merged together to form atnt the big bad big blue once again Uh, but an exclusive phone on there again kind of weird to think about now and cost 499 for a four gigabyte model at launch There was a collective sigh of relief when the latest iphone no longer came In 16 gigabytes. So kind of weird to to again see uh, see the iphone kind of Uh with again again, it shows I think In a with a device that didn't come with uh a very high resolution camera at all didn't come with the front facing camera Didn't come with an app store, you know four gigabytes of internal storage doesn't seem, you know That lines up with that initial vision of it just as a internet communicator phone ipod Yeah, and if Just as a reminder the original price remember there was a big price cut It was I think it was like 599 when it first came out There was a big price cut and apple ended up giving everyone a who bought it a hundred dollars itunes gift card and but everyone loves itunes gift and you had to actually jail break your phone to get any apps on it It was uh, it was you look at it back now. You know, you know, the original iphone was a crazy device Well and kind of in that weird apple tradition of launching a you know, a new product that ends up being you know Kind of a defining product for maybe a category That uh was is kind of held together by like gum and you know It's kind of a diver together to work at the last minute and then slowly builds into uh, like an established platform So as i'm looking at my surface book looking at the notes from on my surface book talking on my iMac and looking at my dale external display I'm going to make a statement that may sound hyperbolic But the iphone changed the world Plain and simple the iphone and its derivatives changed the world Well, if you look at some of the effects, I mean one the idea that I I think everyday people would even care about apps You know the word that the fact that apps is like a thing right instead of a cd rom that you put in and you get the You know your microsoft word application or your or a game or something that like I never thought like my mom would be like Trying to you know telling me about a cool new app that she tried Other than maybe at like an apple beast or something like that. Um, but looking at Going kind of bigger than that one of the things, uh, I think People don't realize is just uh at the end of 2016 apple sold over one billion Handsets collectively. Uh, they started out with a little over one. I think it was 1.6 million in the first year and since then even though uh Overall sales have kind of declined from 2015 to 2016 Over a billion hands is is insane. Uh, it's crazy Apple in 2007 was an ipod company. They made 40 of their revenue on ipods Now 69 of apple revenue comes from the iphone alone not including any other ios devices And it accounts for 54 billion dollars in revenue as of q1 2017 Um, just kind of a crazy impact going from you know, I always thought it was funny A couple years ago. I read the book microsurfs and one of the big story lines there is that Someone in apple or someone is a friend of someone who works at apple and they have the worst job ever Everyone hates the job Everyone's waiting for apple to get bought or sold and the apple is like just on a death march And it's so weird to read that now In the context that they're literally one of the biggest companies if not the biggest company on any given stock day In the you know in the world. Well, if you look back at that moment So, you know, my wife is kind of the prototypical use case she had an ipad which uh the concept of her installing a Sight loading apps onto her ipad is just You know, I showed her how you can buy an app and she was like, yeah Yeah, I never do that the ipad had basic functionality that she wanted We were a big digital camera House and we were heavily invested in microsoft's media center And its vision for mp3 players within a year year and a half of her adopting the iphone All of those devices with the exception We always kept a dedicated digital camera We just you know because you know the iphone wasn't that great of a camera But that really changed how we consumed Uh electronics in our household Well, keith i'm kind of interested in your perspective as the cto advisor How how did the iphone and kind of the emergence of literally mobile computers that everyone was like the idea that it was Common and expected for everyone to have a mobile computer kind of affects, you know on a larger business level on an enterprise level You know just in terms of work expectations and you know kind of on an infrastructure level. I think we're still dealing with that You know what we're It is still changing. You know think about it sap has been pushing this theory concept of being able to You want to approve A p. O anywhere in the world what approve a p. O That's something that i'll do when i get in the office But it has increased the speed of business. You know my mom runs a Lifestyle business that she would not be able to run if not for her iphone and her ipad That's literally that those two pieces of technology literally powers her business And you scale that to an entire workforce is going to have repercussions I remember 10 years ago almost, you know about eight eight nine years ago When i my first business user came to me and said hey I want to use this to do business and I kind of scratched my head and said wow i never Never expected that Well and in an age when uh, you know every major carrier was selling blackberries and uh blackjacks without cameras on them Like you had a special non camera tier because the idea of a connected device that you would carry around with You in a in an enterprise or a business or whatnot that had a camera that you could send photos over the internet was crazy No one wanted you know that that was was unthinkable and then all of a sudden, you know the iphone blows up and uh I mean the again the idea of that becomes laughable almost overnight Yeah, it's i'm still in awe at some of the things that we do You know, we always have these space age concepts of of video conferencing and What it would look like there's no reason why I'm sure you guys do it all the time you host people Sitting on lte on their ios or android device to join into this live conversation that's that's being streamed Worldwide and you know millions upon millions of people can choose to view it simultaneously Powered by these mobile devices in our pocket is that's uh quite mind-blowing Yeah, if you look just kind of down the line from you know carriers that had to bulk up their 3g coverage from You know businesses that had to rethink one like rethink Like just simple things like how to design a web page to fit on a 3.5 inch screen to consumers You know rethinking these services that they could expect to have on them at any given time Whether it's payments transportation or that kind of stuff you just didn't I mean you I'm sure there are examples of You know, someone had the I'm sure someone had the idea for you know, a mobile payment system Or you know a tap to pay mobile payment system on a phone before the iPhone or something like that Because technology is old and people are really creative and they think about all that stuff But it it took a platform like that that that had a super strong developer base Follow along with it a couple years later once they or a year later once they opened up the app store to really uh to change it so again, I don't want to be um You know To be an apple love fest because I actually think it's really funny looking at the original iphone What it that what it didn't have at the same time, you know the simple things like copy paste Which I think is a little overrated, but you know, there was the idea of a selfie cam wasn't there the idea of Uh, oh, what did I have here? Uh, there was no, you know, mms like basic functionality On a 2g connection. There were there was no video. I mean that what we think of as a modern iphone the idea of it Being simply a phone internet communicator ipod Shows that you know apple definitely didn't have it all figured out. They just knew they had they had a lot of cool Design ideas that a lot of cool implementations. Certainly that took a lot of r&d and as steve job says they patented the hell out of it to dubious effect, uh, but uh You know, it was an interesting platform, but clearly even apple didn't have it all figured out at the start Yeah, if if I had I used to maintain a list of features That my that my wife needed, uh in the iphone Before she would be willing to put her or lay her ipak to rest So you think about basic functionality if you were to buy an iphone as a contact managers, you know just A competitive device you would think oh why in the world would I have a ipak or a palm pilot the iphone lacked basic capability that a palm pilot had At uh doing that day. So apple most definitely didn't have it together Uh, the you know, my wife complained complained for years about the lack of a stylist Uh on the iphone. So I think it would be At one point, you know, I'm by far not an apple fan boy, but we have to tip our cap to the Change of idea that apple provided what what a Smart phone was back before the iphone, you know, I had uh my dream Device at the time was a candy bar Uh phone running windows. I think c at the time And I could seek my contacts up to it. I'm like, oh, this is awesome Directly the outlook that was like the the the The the height of the technology. Yeah, and you know the fact that I could get web web pages on it. Oh, wow It's incredible Internet communicator Simpler simpler times. Uh, well, we have some messages of the day. Thank you for that. That was a fantastic conversation And uh, you know if you want to send in your thoughts, um to uh, you know Kind of the impact of the out of the iphone and at year 10 10 years in feedback at daily tech news show Dot com but we got some messages. Like I said, we have mike mick I'm not sure from down under sending us their feedback from yesterday's post show banter He writes good day y'all which I assume is some sort of Slang from the continent down there. I know of the late huell hauser down here in cold and gray melbourne australia Thus blowing rogers native california theory completely out of the water completely I suspect i'm a bit of an outlier regarding the smiley face To this roger, uh producer roger, uh would like to respond, uh, uh for those of them scratching their heads Huell hauser was a transplant from tennessee who hosted an la-based pbs show called california's gold The show featured huell visiting famous and not so famous california landmarks among the numerous spinoffs shows that huell did Uh, the only one that wasn't california centric was a series called australia With huell hauser you can find more info at chatman university's huell hauser archives And I think we'll have a link to that in the show notes. Thank you Uh, mick and producer roger All right, tony wanted to respond to tuesday's episode which focused on the eu's decision to find google for abusing its market dominance I'm a day behind so I just listened to tuesday's episode with patrick about the google e u case involving comparison shopping I'm not sure what anyone uh could reasonably expect google to do other than run a search company and not offer anything else If they are uh, if they are trying to provide the best possible results to an end user And those results happen to be google prioritized and they didn't gain the search algorithm or artificially prioritize them They are being an as impartial as possible I agree that there are other areas where a case could be made that this doesn't seem to be this doesn't seem to be one I'm asking them to be a slightly poor if asking them to be a slightly poor search engine Uh, and he's okay. Basically, uh, thanks, tony. I really appreciate it. Uh, just his two cents by the way Basically, his argument is saying google is doing this to be the best possible search engine Uh, not necessarily to goose, uh, their own, uh, uh service their comparison shopping service in the e u's case, you know, I kind of, uh, uh I see tom's perspective that he articulated on the show, uh, keith. He was saying basically that Uh, you know, he kind of understands where the e u's coming from but comparison shopping Doesn't seem like it's that much of a market and so by by having the search results He thought there were more egregious examples of google potentially having problematic, uh, uh offerings given their dominance in the e u Did you see that and any thoughts on that? I didn't see it But I do have thoughts on it 2.7 billion dollars is a lot of money The it's a lot of money in e u canadian india Any way you stretch it, um, you know, I thought about it. I said, well What's the what's the real recourse, you know? and The american and me want to say e u man up and or woman up and grow some internet businesses that will compete with google and uh There shouldn't be a problem But from a realistic perspective google has to market share google is a monopoly more so in europe than they are in the us and uh those regulators if google doesn't like the rules in that in those markets They can do what they did in china and pull out Those are the rules in that market and they need to buy by the rules in that market I do think it's interesting that with the idea that this does It's kind of the situation microsoft was in where they were very hesitant to enter new markets Knowing that they had this dominance at anything that linked back to their to their, you know market dominating product Then is going to cause regulators to come in and kind of put their foot down So i i'm a little sympathetic to the idea that you know google is trying to make a product, you know, ostensibly to organize the world's information, you know I'm sympathetic to that but at the same time i do agree with you. Yeah, like those are the rules that they should know that Um, you know, and they they definitely have the legal personnel to sort that out Finally, sonia vining wanted to add her two cents to the post-show discussion on dtns last friday Wow, I thought that once school was out. I'd be able to join the chat room Catch up on dtns slack and so much else Instead i'm a week behind on episodes, but I couldn't pass up an email on the pre-show conversation from friday june 23rd Uh, most embarrassing concert she wins She saw barry manilow's paradise cafe tour in 1985 sonia. I regret to inform you that was the year i was born On purpose. It was intentional. At least I somewhat recovered by seeing don henley a few years later. Uh, sonia I'm gonna say that's our google uh, re hamilton. She saw it last october in chicago. Uh, it's playing I think it's still playing out there unlike my concert list. I've seen a lot of really excellent theater Uh, it's kind of for bailey wick and I can say without reservation hamilton is at the top of my list I second this I truly believe it's a watershed moment in american musical theater Making as much of an impact as showboat oklahoma and jesus christ superstar in their times enjoy a message from miss music teacher sonia Keith have you listened to hamilton at all? I have not listened to hamilton and I live in chicago So I should be shamed that I haven't spent the thousand dollars to go and see the play But you know what I can buy a really cool intel nook for a thousand dollars. Well, that's true It's true and that will uh, you know last you a lot longer than the play I'll buy the and you can you know, you can leave that in the room where it happened. Hi. Oh, hamilton joke. All right Thanks, keith. I really appreciate everything being on the show. This was a really cool conversation And it's pretty awesome to have you on we'll we'll have to have you on dts. Maybe even when i'm not hosting It'll be fun. All right. 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Uh, he's broadcasting from uh, Nerdtacular in utah. So uh, just mark your calendars. Keep that in mind. All right. There we go There's the music until next time we meet dear audience I need you all to remember to have a super sparkly day Joe is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com Hope you have enjoyed this bro And we are clear The recording is done You guys are pros. That was a great job rich. Yeah, it was cool. That was a lot of fun. It was fun I think that was my first non political and non Enterprise tech podcast. So that was fun. Yeah, I mean I I kind of wanted to turn the new tannic story into trying to Make a hyperconverge infrastructure relevant to the listeners of daily tech news show, but yeah, that might not have I've thought about explaining it. I'm like nah. No, no, you can barely explain it to cto's right Keith. Exactly Feel like there's an interesting episode about sd wan that we can make happen sometime in the future You know what just call it dual internet using dual internet connections bundled connection bundled internet connections and people will eat it up You know, Keith, I didn't uh, if anyone's still in the live stream I've totally forgot to ask people want to follow you check out what you're all about. Where should they go? I totally forgot about that. I'm sorry. That is uh at cto advisor But that's why we we branded the cto visor. So if you google the cto visor, you will find me That is true. Hopefully and uh, I totally botched it because I didn't plug my day job at gestaltit.com Hopefully, oh, yeah, hopefully, uh, your boss doesn't even know I can't appreciate that. Uh, yeah, but I blog for an enterprise it So that's cool, too And I do a podcast actually the on-premise it round table So if you want to learn about caching versus tiering and uh, we have one episode coming up on nvme storage, which would be pretty cool So uh, check that out if you're super geeky into enterprise stuff. Yeah, just by the name alone is super controversial See roger, that's the problem. I yeah, I know. Yeah, it's a it's an inside joke Roger, that's why uh, I'm just a teleprompter monkey because I didn't put plug my stuff on there and I totally forgot to I need to get roger to come over and have him tune my uh, I just bought a new tv A uh OLED now need to get him to come over and tune my OLED Okay, roger's a big I don't know if you know rogers are kind of famous in the whole av space Really, I was yeah, he's a big deal He just dropped off. So maybe he was insulted uh by the by, you know, you calling him out on his av cred No, you're you're you're you so you were born in 85. So roger, uh, uh, I used to follow roger a lot when he uh He him and patch wouldn't used to do it show together I used to listen to that I used to listen to that an awful lot So, you know when I saw that uh, I'm like roger produces the show. I'm like roger should be doing this show All right, can you guys want me to Yes, we can roger we're talking about you exclusively I you know, and I had to read I had to reboot my tab because like all things chrome. It's all very finicky I just wanted to let you know after the show is um as uh rich alluded to early We have a post show and you're welcome to join in basically as you guys banter about We go to show bot dot tv to vote on the title of today's episode And so let me see what uh came up Since I had to close it to get Again, sorry for our patreons who are listening to the exclusive audio about the 32nd uh missing audio That's me. All right, uh 10 years ago. We got ellipses one more thing which is allusion to uh Uh, it's not patrick to uh, uh, steve jobs Announcing the the the phone This air bnb lux just ain't for us. I think that's a lord Right, isn't that a lord that reference that involves popular music. Therefore it is dead to me All right, it would be a shame if something happened to your content Musk is so boring these days. I think we did something like that musk boring musk is boring cloud That one is is silverblade. That one is painful um AI came AI saw AI sent Have we done one like that because I kind of like that even though it's not I mean that we only touched on that one I kind of like that one Um, I feel 10 years ago. We got one more thing is kind of classic Yeah, I mean it yeah, it ties into the main topic. Uh, it's it's it's pretty good. It's pretty good It is uh, you know, it's funny you you kids kids I say that in the future will be basically looking flipping through their history app In class and they'll have this section on how the iphone changed the world with the on their ar brain implants Uh neural, uh interface, right and then they'll still be wondering why siri sucks so At the same time Oh Keith you you speak words of wisdom Um, I like that or I actually like the uh an ipad a phone and an internet communicator I kind of like uh, I kind of like that one for touching on the theme that is kind of cool too. I like that too But we still got a few more Oh, roger real quick. Um, I didn't realize I recorded the show as a wave I'm assuming you would like that as an mp3 instead I can't know if you want to you can send this to me with this a wave over slack I'll I can level 8 and uh mp3 it as long as it's just the show Yeah, it's just the show, but it's like a 200 meg file. Um Here I'll I'll throw it in dropbox and just send it to like Okay, cool Um, no without merit that's pretty good. Uh, that's the that's the troll one That's the uh, what's what's the other classic one roger? Um show that man Well, who watches the watchman is the classic like who iPhones the iphone or what would be the iPhone who watches the netflix? Yeah Who would I watch the netflix? EU grow up don't like google use bing 10 years ago an ipod an iphone and the internet communicator Um, it's not as concise. Uh, it's the brevity is the soul of wit 10 years ago. We got one more thing I mean, it's I think we can go with that. We'll go with that. I give approval. I give approval to this All right, it's the top people voted it's going in it's going in it's going in All right, oh Oh my god Stupid way files. It's going to take a minute because my internet's slow roger. I apologize. That's okay. I think It's common theme with everyone's internet who works on the show except for tom I'm just glad I know they just had an at&t fiber in our area and I'm kind of I'm trying to get the spousal approval factor to get the gigabit Down which would be kind of nice. I want to watch the internet, but it's not