 Check it, check it, check it. This is a unique house. This is your boy, E-C-E-O. And I'm here with the lovely official, Ms. Jamaica. Oh, I'm gone. Hey, man. Say, man, we got a special guest in the house today, man. This guy right here, man. If you ever feel like you can't make it, man, this guy get your great inspiration, man. You know, I know I read up on the save from New York. Brownfield, New York. But I seen him with palm trees behind him the last time I seen him. I don't know. I know this boy. Man, this man here, man, like I said, I never would have thought it would have happened, man. But here today on Boss Talk 101, man, great channel brings. What's going on, baby? Thank you, champ. Thank you for having me. Save, man. Thank you for coming, man. Thank you, champ. Thank you, champ, man. The champ thing, man, it's, hey, man, it done revived everything, man. Let's go, champ. And it's done helped so many people. Thanks. Save, man. How did you come up with that? Oh, man, I had hit a point in my life, champ, where I was down and now I was depressed. I had ballooned up in weight. I was about 403 pounds. Yeah. I had, you know, walked away from boxing for a few years. I had been out of the game. I was eating a lot. I would have been prescribed what is it called, psych medication. Psych medication. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Depression. And I was actually taking, like, Deborah Coase, Sarah Quill, Zolaugh, Paxil, and I was 403 pounds, man. And I went to be young. I was just down. Now I eventually started, you know, I opted to get off, get off, prescribed drugs. I started using cannabis. And eventually, to me, just one day, just sitting down, telling myself, man, not feeling good about myself and saying, yo, you a champion, man. You got to, you know, my entourage was gone, my friends, my money was gone. And I just basically, I hit a point where I was like, you know, I just had my daughter and she was a changing point too, for sure. And then, you know, I started selling champ. And one day I said, let's go champ. Let's go champ. To push myself. How hard was it for you to get out of that depression to yourself? Because I see so many people in the limelight who, you know, for us seeing people like, oh, they have money, but people don't realize that problems can come to anybody. Depression can come to anyone. So, but you see some people who commit suicide because of depression. I mean, some people who can't come out of that state. How hard was it for you to really just mentally tell yourself, well, I need to just get out of this? And it was a struggle in a sense. And how long did it take you? It took me about two, three years, I think. Okay. Before I finally, I was eating a lot. I was using food as a... Comfort. Yeah, exactly. Comfort, you know, I was doing that. And I was drinking at the time. I had been drinking since I was like 13, 14 years old. I had picked that up as a teenager because I was homeless. I mean, I had been at home, man. I lost a home and I was living from place to place in one of the neighborhoods that I moved to. Flatbush, which is a West Indian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, we've been to Flatbush actually when we ate at the restaurant. So they used to drink around there in the bush. So I started drinking around 13, 14, started with 40s. And then, you know, but I was never into smoking. And then I picked up cannabis, like I said. But it took me about two, three years to end. I was like... And it wasn't anybody who actually tried to help you through it? Yeah, it was many people. But again, you know, I had been boxing since I was like 15, 16. And I think it was a combination of, you know, probably that I'd been hitting the head. You know what I mean? I fought five of the hardest punches in boxing history. I fought Francois, both the one, the hardest hitters. George Form. George Form, Felix Lewis, Vitaly Klistko, Ray Mercer, and Sergi Lacko, which is real big punches. So I think the combination of that. And then my childhood was, you know, pretty intense. You know what I'm saying? Only child, I lost my mom. Yeah, yeah. She died on my birthday. My pops died in prison. These are the things that, you know, You went through a lot. Yeah, I went through a lot. But I say that to say all that made me stronger, to be honest with you. It made me, I guess I was already strong, you know, but it made me stronger to have to hit so many down points in my life and then build myself up. So when I was about 37, 38, and I was at a down point, I was always a reader. So, you know, find out, you know, I went to like private school as a kid. Yeah. You know, and so I was always in the reading. And I was, I was actively trying to find ways to heal myself from depression, you know what I'm saying? So I was, I was reading a lot about cannabis. I was reading about different things that I'm, that cannabis, but I got a lot of people making money too, I believe, because they all invested. You know, that's been a new thing, you know what I mean? Everybody from, everybody you read up on, that's what they're doing. And it's helping people too a lot. So the thing, so coming up young, the greats, I know Mike Tyson, and I read up on a few things on you. How was that experience seeing him come from? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The boy was serious, man. Yeah, like, like, so you're younger than him. Yes, brother, yes. So, so you've seen that and did that give you, like I can make it, yeah, I can make it. I mean, well, you know, I never, I never thought honestly that I'd be a boxer. Never thought it. No, cause you know, I grew up only child when mom spoiled me, right? And you know what I'm saying? I went to private school, you know what I mean? I went to Catholic high school for a year. So I was always living good. You know what I mean? I didn't have to do nothing, you know what I mean? I always had a hustle on me to try to get jobs and all that, but when we lost our home when I was 13. Yeah, yeah. That's when I had to like live from house to house. And that's when I, you know what I'm saying? I got serious in the boxer, but Mike was a motivation. So again, like I said, I wasn't expecting to be no boxer, but when I hit rock bottom by the time I was 16, 15, 16, I was getting in trouble, getting arrested. And I was in the streets. I was really in the streets. My pops was on the run. He wound up getting caught and going to prison and dying. So for me, my whole life changed. And that's when I became a harder and more harder person. And I got in the box and luckily I had skills, you know what I mean? He used boxing as an outlet. Yeah, yeah. Life saver, life saver. I'm from Marshall, okay? Jefferson, Marshall. Texas. Yeah, but he beat George for me. So he oughta know Marshall. That's who I met George from. I met George. I walk up to him at the, and I never would have thought I'd have met George and Shannon Briggs. This is crazy for me. Thank you, George. Cause I met him at the J.C. Pennies over there across from where I had the store at. And I walk up to him. I'm like, dude, you look familiar. Y'all tripping on him. Cause I ain't even, you know, I'm at home. So I'm like, you know, I ain't really think about him. But then it hit me when I seen people start asking for autographs. But yeah, yeah, but very cool cap, man. But that was a fight that pretty much, that was a championship fight, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. I won the title. I won the first title. I won the linear championship from him, but it was a tough fight. Again, my mom had died on my birthday and the fight was not too far after. And it was something that I think kept me up and kept me strong and motivated me for the fight. But the opportunity that he gave me was life changing. I was at a down point in my life. I, you know, I wound up getting a very close decision. Could have went anyway. My God, I won the title and it was life changing. I can go down and rest of my life. And here I was a kid sleeping on the train a few years before that. Me and my mom, and now here we are. I was, you know, she had died, but I had won the title. So it gave me a sense of self-worthiness. So how old was you when she died? 25, 25. Yeah, that's about how old I was when my mom died. So yeah, about the same, it was about 96 for me. See, like she died of cancer though. And she was 44. So yeah, so yeah, I read up on that too. Man, I just, like I said, it's just crazy, man, that how you got to know about resilience to be in boxing, man. You got to be able to bounce back. You know what I mean? So when you came back from the weight, you know, losing the weight and getting back to your true self, you know, you thought to yourself and came to yourself. That right there had to be, that's something else. People don't, you know, a lot of people, they count this as if I needed it, they don't come back, you know, but you was able to come back. I had a lot of haters, so I was like, yeah, yeah, I had motivation. I was happy to see me off my good foot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, you know what I'm saying? I got fat, it was like, oh, you'll never come back. I remember I had, I had, you know, dreadlocks, I had locks, I don't even say dreadlocks, like 27, 28 years is that blonde dreadlock, you know. I saw that. When did you cut it? Well, when I was going through my depression, the first time I tried cannabis, it was one day, I, my friend of mine, who was a chef, he had left it at my house, I was in a smoker, I wind up hitting it like two, two, two, two o'clock in the morning, two, three o'clock in the morning, and I had an experience, man, I just like, I started crying and I just started, I was 403 pounds and I started crying, I was just, I don't even know why, just then I envisioned myself in shape, traveling the world. I hadn't been home for a while, and I was eating, eating crazy, and I envisioned myself traveling the world in shape, and I was like, damn, and I was crying, I went in the house and I fell asleep. And when I woke up the next morning, I just walked in the bathroom with no thought, and I just went in the bathroom and started shaving my head bald. Oh. Without question, you know what I'm saying? Wow. And my wife walked in and she started crying, she's like, oh my God. I was wondering if you were mad at that time. She started, she said, you went crazier. You know what I'm saying? You went crazier. She cried. Yeah, I was like, nah, I'm okay, I'm okay. I was like, nah, everything's good. And she was like, well, I was like, no, I don't know what it is, but then it hit me. His blunt was outside, you know? Wow. So when I saw it, I hit it a couple more times and again, I felt, for the first time in years, my imagination came back. Wow. Yeah, I had something blocking my brain. That's crazy. I couldn't think about positive and seeing myself in a better place. And here I was now, because when I hit the tree, I was like, oh snap, so I called my boy. I was like, yo, Jerome, get over here. And that's so crazy because some people talk about whenever you do that, it clouds your judgment, but here it actually unclouded your judgment. You were able to, you know, really get into that imagination state that you needed to progress. Yeah, but the thing that sticks out to me about you is like 60, it was 67 fights, six losses. Learning lessons. Okay, and then there was one drop. Yes, brother. Okay, but there was 53 KOs. Yeah, yeah, that's a lot of knockouts, man. Say, man, you ain't playing in that ring, man. So that's your gift, man. Well, you know, I was funny because I remember I was young, I was about 16. I just got in the boxing and my mom and mom, we was living in this little apartment we had, we had came across this apartment. And I remember she, I don't know if it was like, welfare or something, she had like, we had $120. It was a welfare check, something came and she was like, Shannon, you know, we had like $80 left. And she was like, I said, mom, you got to buy me some boxing boots. I went to the gym and I think I could think. I think I got some. Yeah, she was like, boy, you can't, you saw last million. I begged, I said, mom, mom, please, I begged the mom, please, you know, I used to get my way. Yeah, you're on the job. I'm on the job. Oh yeah, you getting that, you getting that. She said, this is my last money. But I never forget, she said, no, she said, she said, Shannon, you got asthma, you can't beat these big boys. They big and ugly. They gonna get my boy. I said, no, mom, I could fight. I'm tender. Everybody in the gym saying, I got it. And she said, if you give this last money, she said, and you see, you get what I'm gonna do if they hurt my boy. She said, you got to promise me something. That's love. You got to get in there and knock them off fast. I said, mom, I promise, I swear. And right now I hold the record for the most first round knockouts. Wow. Now that's crazy. Wow, it knows a lot. That's the promise he promised his mom. Oh yeah, that means something. That means something, bro. That's why. I bet it was hard to get fights, huh? Yeah, it's pretty hard, but it's cool, too. Nobody wanna get knocked out. It was cool. So, right now, what's stemming for you? You know, I see a lot of the guys. I see Mike Tyson and Roy Jones get back in the ring. You know what I'm saying? There's a couple of things bubbling. They scared. They scared, all of them scared. They ain't gonna get in there with you. I'll break them all. Look at that, man. I see it, man. I seen it. When you hit the big pound, I'm good. Chill, champ. I'm good. Let's go, champ. So, I mean, you know the thing I say, how's Dallas treating you, though? Oh, man, I love Dallas, man. Thanks to Charleston, why he brought me to Dallas? You know what I'm saying? I came to kick it. Ain't that boy something, man? Let me go and talk about him, man. Don't make me get started, man. That boy out there, that's been my, hey, man, that's my gym. Yeah, that's my boy, man. Yeah, I came out here to kick it with him. I'm loving it, man. Came out to Fort Worth, man, with the whole team. Yeah, yeah. You know, I go ahead, do Barry. I actually came out here with a partner of mine. Really? My brother, Chino Johnson. AKA Star, my brother Evans, man. We came out here to do some, we were actually working on a charity situation right now with the country of Haiti. Yeah. So we're working with that. So we just all came out here to, you know, meet with the team and to be looking at some other. Yeah, I seen you on the juvenile deal helping those kids, man. So I said, man, I'm glad to be in a circle. You do very, all y'all. I'm like, man, Charleston put me in. I'm in, you know, that's my heart too. So just helping people. That's something that we kind of linked up about. That was, that's what, like minds, man, like spirits, man, things that God have for you just kind of pulls you together, man. And that's the thing I know that, that works around what we're doing, right? So the thing, it's therapeutic for you to be here in that seat and the things you say to go through that microphone can help somebody, man. And that's what it's about. Thank you, brother. Yeah, but what you was about to say? No, I was going to say, and leading to what you've said about the juveniles, we met with Miss King last night. Yeah, yeah, that's this. He came over and gave me, hey, I got a little ward, man. I'm feeling some type of way. I see it's a different subject. Say, yeah, so what's up with you? Nah, everything good, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, so last night, what did y'all do? I mean, did anybody go anywhere? You don't want to tell me the detail. Oh man, everything was good. Had a good time. I apologize if you, you know. I didn't get invited, man. Oh, nah, it wasn't even like that. Nah, you know, we stumbled across at the bottom of the tree. Okay, so you're going to be here tomorrow? What time are you leaving? I actually ought to leave tomorrow. I think in midday, midday. I'm coming back because we're working on the endeavor right now. Because I'm going to set you up. I got a facial, and 50 went to where I sit, even Charleston over there. I want to set you up, man, touching skin. I'm going to send you over there. I heard about that, yeah. I'll set you up, man. I can get you probably early in the morning, maybe. For real? Yeah, I'm going to push you through. I'm going to call. No, no, I got you. It can be before you get out of here as long as you make the appointment. I'm going to call up. We'll just call them when we get done. Yeah, I'm going to send you through there. That'd be phenomenal. Yeah, they're going to show up. It's going to happen. Yeah, you're going to get the massage and everything. You done got face. See, y'all buy money. See, I'm my first one. I'm going to give you one funny chance. My wife had forced me. I'm over there screaming and screeching, trying to figure out what they're doing to me. They had smoke in my face. She was like, just sit there and take it. We were in like a couple of massages, but y'all, I thought y'all so tough, like y'all can't do it. No, I love massages. I try to get it every day. That was his first. Yeah, that was her. Yeah, y'all, she don't, not in my first, wait a minute. From anybody other than me. Yeah, I put her to work. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's why I got married, you know what I'm saying? I really just, I'm like, man, I never did all that, man. I don't know, I seen it in the movies. You know, I'm a country. But I like it now. I'm going back. They said I can come back. It's good for you, man. It's great anti-aging. And Charleston didn't make it no better when he was over there. I told her, I didn't act right. He didn't act right. We liked to have been out, but they came back over here to the store again. And they was like, yeah, anybody you got, anybody that you say can come through, they can come through. So you definitely going through there in the morning, man. I appreciate you. And matter of fact, I don't know what time they leaving out of the night. We'll call them. We're going to set it all up. For real? Yeah, man, come on, man. Why don't I tell them you're here. It's going down, man. It's going down. All our people, man. We love our people, man. I love it out here. I might not leave. Say, we ain't trying to get you to leave. We will stay. Hey, I got this, man. We're going to change my place, man. Yeah, man. So I want to know, from a mother's perspective, if say my son wanted to box, and I'm a worsome ward thinking about all the concussions that you can have. Just like when people talk about football, the same thing that goes with that. It's a dangerous sport. You can get killed. You can get hurt. How can you comfort me and tell me it is safe, so to say, to have my son do something like that? Oh, man, let me tell you. I think if you look for the right trainer, it's all about who's supervising it. If you're watching it. If it's just you sending your kids somewhere and not being watched, then as a parent, no. But you can get hurt doing anything, to be honest with you. I think for young black fighters, young black men, boxing is a great way to get out of frustration, to learn discipline, to create character. Boxing is a thing that you have to confront yourself. Unlike team sports, where, as you know, you can come out and sit down and you rely on the team, you rely on yourself. You have to face yourself. You have to face your fears. And that builds character. So boxing is a great. Even if your son doesn't become a boxer, I think boxing, we all, even a daughter, I think I've learned from my own. And again, going back to what we were saying earlier, when we were talking about what helped me when I was suffering from depression, it wasn't just one thing. It was the cannabis, but that was just one thing. There was the food. There was the diet. I had to change my diet. I had to change the music I was listening to. I was listening to the gangsta music. I didn't need to do that. I ain't living in a hood no more. I had to change my spend to have this. I used to go out and like the ball. Let's do, you know, be the, you know, have everything, what's it called? Nevo reach. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Having everything. But then I learned that that was something that I was doing also to, to cope with my hurt, with my pain that I hadn't dealt with as a child. You know, as a man growing up, I was, when I came into money, I was 20 years old. You know what I'm saying? I was literally homeless a week ago. And now I come in. Didn't know how to handle it. The handling was go spend, go to the mall. Go have some fun, buy something. Every day it became, that was, there came a habit for me. And then as I got older, it was cars and it was houses and it was just, you know, nonstop. So I had to change that as a diet. Again, my food, the friends around my spend to have, it's always had to change for me to get to where I am. And again, the answer to that is exercise. I had to start exercising again. So in doing that, I realized I started releasing endorphins that made me feel good. Feel happy, that's those happy endorphins. So imagine kids doing that opposed to getting those endorphins from playing a video game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't help. That's where everything is right now. I'm proud of that. Look, our son, our 13 year old, we trying to pull him back. All day long. Now I'm pulling him out. He feel to get out there and cut some wood or something. I ain't playing with him, man. I'm sending him to the country, man. I got people down there, man. We gonna put it on him. Young boy gonna be, he gonna be all right. Make him strong. So New York, do you frequent a lot or what? Not as often as I would like. Yeah, you down there. It's sunny down there. I go down there, rain every 90 and just stop. Every 15 minutes, 15 minutes a day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could do it. I like it down there. That accent, that New York accent. They don't get rid of that. Them boy, you know my partner to move down there too. Conrad, he from New York, but he from Brooklyn too. Yeah, yeah, he be with everybody. No, but he was from Queens, but he grew up in Brooklyn. Cause he be with LL. He told me, you gotta put my picture up. I'm like, you don't ever be at the store. They ain't gonna help me none. But I love the energy from New York, man. So growing up in New York, man, everything so closed in. How was it transferring down to Florida? Well, you know, they say in New York, basically every New Yorker's dream is to make it. When you make it, first you move to Jersey and then you retire and move to Miami. So I did the same transit. Somebody's going to like, as everyone, I went the same path. I moved to Jersey for about 12 years. That became my second home. And then I eventually came to Miami in 96 and I made it permanent in 2001, 2000. 96, a while back. Yeah, so you just, you loving that Miami vibe. But I travel, I'm in England a lot. I spend three, four times a year in England. England. You like England? I love it. I've never been there. I love Europe. I love Europe. I have a good time traveling. I heard it's a very nice place to visit. Yeah, we got friends that's over there. The weather is totally different. I heard it's always gloomy. Some places, but it's cool. It's cool. And the summer's beautiful, you know what I mean? The winter's the winter, it's freezing. My partner said in Europe, they flip. More money, everything doubled. Pounds, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They said flipped. The money a little bit better. Yeah, the money. I like that. Their money is more. Yeah, that's what he told me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's more than. Yeah, yeah, that's what, yeah, that's just seen a husband, right? Yeah. But man, so let me ask you this, man. Growing up, New York, doing all the things that you've done, have there's been any young boxer that came up under your tutelage that you helped to get, you know, come up? Yeah, I discovered a few guys. One became a world champion that I'm very proud to have met him and brought him over was a guy named Badu Jack. Okay, okay. He became the middleweight and I'm in my heavyweight champions as well. You're proud of that. Awesome. I met him in Sweden and, you know, I moved him to my house, moved him to America. He lived in my house and when I ran out of money, I said, you're a champ. You know, I let him go, but I said, you're going to make it because I believed in him, you know what I'm saying? But he went on to become champion. We're friends to this day. It's like a brother, my little brother. Yeah, that's important, man. You know, that's important to take somebody that's younger because you guys, you got something that some people would never, would never have. And I always ask people to sit in that seat, like, who would you help? Did you help somebody? Pass it on. Because you got to, right? Yeah, yeah, I've helped a lot of people. I know you helped a lot of them, but I'm saying it's certain one when they come up with you, they want to learn, man. I mean, yeah, and you know, it's just giving back. I was fortunate. Again, I was a homeless teenager. 13, man. You can tell at 13 that that's when you start like, okay, I got to figure this out. Even at that's our early age to do that at. Yeah, that's what happened to me. I was that kid. And so for me to have made it, if I could help somebody, man, I feel like it's the right thing to do. Cause look at me, I, that had no idea I would ever be in boxing, let alone become a two-time heavyweight champion. That little girl, she changed a lot of things too. Oh, everything. That's that. How would you see? She's dying now. That's crazy. Do kids box? No, not seriously. They do. They train. Actually, they train more than me. Really? They currently train them more than me. They train with their mom three times a week. My wife, they do it. Oh, she boxes too? She trains as well. Yeah, she trains as well. He ain't training. He's sitting at the house to my, let's go Japs, seriously, man. Everybody in better safety be. Yeah, that's real though. That to me motivates you to get up too. Cause you can never sit on the chair and watch them working out and doing all of that. And you're not getting up as well. I do it all the time. I'm just watching them. Eventually, but I got something big lined up, man. So I gotta get ready. You gotta get ready. You can't talk about it? I gotta fight. You can't talk about it? You can't talk about it? Yeah. Nobody. You gotta talk to somebody. You got somebody else to figure it out? I think Charleston got me somebody. Oh, okay. Well, if we got somebody crazy, hey, they gonna get in now? Yeah, I think so. Say, that's a lot of smoke, man. You said, yeah, we gonna see what he do when the contract come this week. Hey, man, was it Ray Mercer? You don't fault them all, man. You don't fault a lot. You don't fault a lot of people, bro. Yeah, it was fun. I know, but you still look good, though. Thank you, champ. Thank you, brother. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of them. You know, you take them out of here. You ugly. Look out. Look out. All of them ugly. So I want to know, you mentioned that you're married. And you've been married for how long? I've been my woman 27 years. That's crazy. We've been married for about 14 of those. Wow, awesome. So she's been by your side through everything. Flat broke to the day. So with all of that ups and downs, and when you have it, I know that there's a lot of women who probably try to hit on you, try to come at you. How do you deal with that? Because I've seen a lot of men who don't know how to handle that popularity. Am I saying, I'm just asking, how do you handle that? Because you're still together today, so I need to know, how do you handle that and how does she handle that as well? Well, we met young. So it was like, you know, we had on and off things. I was young again. I didn't plan. Everything, nothing was planned with me. I literally went to the gym one day, beg my mom to buy me some boots another day. And next thing you know, I'm on a USA Olympic team traveling around the world. I had never been in a plane. I'm traveling the world. I'm a little homeless. I'm a little living from gym to gym. And I went to a gym and they was like, hey, yo, the guys are looking for you for the USA team. I'm like, what? They was like, yo, they want you to come try out. I was like, what? And I went and here I am today, sitting in front of y'all. There was no plans. Nothing planned. That is so crazy because at the end of the day, you can't write it. You know what I'm saying? It can't be scripted. Nothing was planned. I'm freestyling. But then it's a gift. That gift will make room for you. See, that's real. So it'll take you places. Man, so you knocking people out and then took you all over the world? Well, twice, four times. Four times. So the boys, how old are the boys? Oh, my boy is 23. He's an actor and model. I was in the gym. My 27. The gym? The gym. He's a model? Man, you're a model and an actor. He got his mother looks. He don't look like me. But is the boy, like he modeling, so is he wanting them slim guys? Yeah, he in shape. He in tip-top shape. He had some boy, you know? Yeah, yeah. So he had a boy and a little girl. And then I got two boys. You got two boys. I'm on the way 15. And I was going to tell you, yeah, he actually growing out of the video games. Like he been doing this since forever. I hope so. I hope I was there because ours is 13 and I'm ready for him to grow out of that. Oh, yeah, he a true. I mean, that's the one I saw. Which one is the one I saw? I saw a picture of one. And to me, he resembles you because I look back at a picture of you when you had dreads. And he just light skinned like, you know, his mom. But then I'm like, but he looks just like you. Yeah, you think so? I do. The face structure, everything of when you were young. Is that the model? No, I think, I'm not sure which one it is. That's the model. Yeah, that's the model. Yeah, the model. See, you're a good looking dude. He's not playing. You should have seen me before, man. You know, boxing really did a job on me, man. What? Yeah, man. They really beat up the chair, man. Man, me ugly like this. The same, man. So you had a look. Okay, I was going to say, man, when I looked at your Instagram, the thing that stuck out to me about you, you don't just put up the wins, you put up the losses, man. I do. And that helped me too. I'm like, man, you know, he look at itself because that show you, okay, it can happen this way. Or I can go that way. What make you put, like you put up, you give it all, you throw it all out there. Yeah, yeah, it's real. You know, like I said, my mom died on my birthday. She was a heroin addict. My father died in prison. I was a homeless teenager, man. I'm living the dream. I'm a dream for a lot of people. I used to sit on the train night after night or a friend's couch and wonder what's gonna happen to me next. And now look at me, I'm traveling the world. I'm still living it. You're living good too. I've seen you. Thank you, brother. I've seen you on that camera. Yeah, I'm working hard. I got to keep it. You know what I'm saying? I keep working. I'm more than anything, I'm an entrepreneur, you know what I'm saying? And I always had that about me. I got it from my mother, honestly. She was a go-getter. And I'm just like her. People meet me and they're like, dang, just like your mama boy. You know what I'm saying? That's how it is. So you cut the rap music out, if you don't even put it out. Yeah, I had to leave it alone. It wasn't for me, you know, I don't want to kill nobody. You said entrepreneurship. That's the only reason I said that, because that helped a lot of that whole genre for us to help them to get into entrepreneurship. That thing now, you guys, you were boxing, like Mohamed Ali and all, you guys, y'all had that lane to where it was helping the economy, but this rap music really helped everybody and helped the money, you know, for it. It changed the world for black people. Yeah, it did. Rap music. I mean, it went viral everywhere. Yeah. And we knew what they was thinking and what they was wearing, especially when the videos came out, we knew what was happening on the West Coast, now in the South, and you knew what was happening in New York, so it became... New York was the one that just started the way, so you was in the middle of it, really. You was the one, you seen it all happen. Grew up in it, yeah. Yeah, anybody from your neighborhood that was artist that you grew up with? Yeah, M-O-P. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Okay. Everybody. That's right, y'all. We, you know, I come from a very, a very small neighborhood, a mile, let's say a mile, a mile point eight. Yeah. The most projects in any place in the world, we literally have like, Browns. We are, there's so many, I can see your name about 10 different housing developments, and we was all packed in. You feel me? I lived in Atlantic Towers. I lived down the hill in Marcus Garvey. I lived in Eastern New York. I lived in Flatbush, East Flatbush. I lived in Crown Heights. I lived in Bethesda, so I lived over Brooklyn and Brownsville, was where I was the most, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But the thing I can say is, man, okay, I got a question for you. Good question. I mean, I talk about it all the time. And you don't know this because you're traveling me. What pizza the best? Chicago or New York? New York, champ. Come on, man. Come on, man. No, no, no, no. Look how she look. I knew I was going to get my answer. I want you. Yeah. That's pizza in the world. I love my deep dish pizza. That's not pizza. You can only get it in Chicago. That's not pizza. Yo, you got a couple of people agree with it, but nah, this me and you, man. We did it. That's not pizza, man. No, Charles, did you get you some of that pizza when you was in it? Oh, man. I did, man. Yeah, yeah, I think I'm with you. The New York thing is serious, bro. So you miss that. And you can't get that. I heard a guy tell me say, man, you can't get that taste, man, because the water is what makes that taste. You can't get no work. You know I've been researched. I'm going to get that pizza here. I'm going to me up a pizza place. I'm going to do it like New York. They say, nah, I didn't happen to champ. Yeah. For real, bro. Is that water? So, any more question for her? Man, we thank you, man. Man, thank you, champ. It's just for coming on the show, man. It's a blessing to be able to meet you, man. Amen to legend, man. Two time, man. Let's go champ. Let's go champ. Man, don't be chatting that all the way to the house, man. We do want to ask him a question. You're not going to ask about no rap music. Yeah, it doesn't have to be rap music. OK, yeah, you write. You write, I'm sorry. We got a question we ask everybody. No, I love it again to go back. I love rap music. Don't get me wrong. But for me, I felt as though to grow into where I was at. I don't understand exactly where you're coming from. She's like you. She doesn't listen to that. Yeah, I don't really listen to that as much. Yeah, I don't even want to hear about somebody singing about love and hating what they've been through. I just want to hear beats. OK. That's it, y'all. Just a little. Don't chat. But if you're rapping, but rapping positivity, I'm all down with it. Yeah, she'll rock with it. That's what I like. But list your top three artists of all time that are alive. Any genre. Yeah, any genre. Only three. I knew she was going to get you. We ask everybody to come on here that. Any genre. It could be, you know, Diana Ross. I don't know. It could be Frankie, Evelyn Mays. It's a lot of it's a lot. It could be what's that boy that died? Teddy Penagraph was something. That was bad boy right there, man. Teddy P was something. Say, man. Is that your number one? You know, that's a hard question to just come out of top. I'm going to be honest with you, man. Damn, that was tough. Do we do everybody say the same thing? What's my boy named Earth when in five? He was a hell of a boy, too. Oh, man, you had to ask me, too. He was the reason he changed that boy. He changed that boy. He changed that boy. So Earth when in five. So that was a good one. Earth when in five. Oh, come on. She's still alive. Patty, man. Patty. Ah, she's smooth, man. I think that's her first Patty LeBell. That's our first Patty LeBell. What? Oh, she's a boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Angela Wimbush. Well, I just had to do the remix one of. Who is Angela Wimbush? Smoothie remix one of her songs. What's her song? Oh, man. Angel. The one, it was Angel. Hey, but he's got it all. They can sing a little bit. Y'all ain't ready. We better get the mic ready. Don't fight, but I can't see. So that's a good top three. OK. All right, man. Thank you. I love music, so I could have kept going. Oh, yeah, yeah. But no, no, no, no. That music. So, man, you got to have it. Oh, it's amazing. It's set to move. It's our soul. It's soul music, man. Yeah, man. You said Teddy Pentegras, man. Come on. Say it, man. Turn it off. And that's our first Teddy Pentegras. Yeah, that's first Teddy, man. Teddy was a bad boy, man. Hey, they caught him in some stuff. But yeah, he's a bad boy. You know what I'm saying? What's that other song, man? It's going to come to me when I leave. The one for Teddy? No, it was another guy, man. It's a hit, man. Damn. It's a bunch of things. There's so many. Oh, man. That's soul music, because I'm real. That's soul music, because I'm real. We have to keep playing those songs for our young ones to hear, because so many of the young ones don't even know who these people are. They lost in the songs. And we don't play them for them to hear. You know what I mean? You have to pass that down for generations to come. So you're listening to what? J-Making music. I listen to it, too. I listen to Bottle of R&B. So Boudjou with Boudjou, can't know. Oh, that's so wrong. So we're supposed to get Sean Paul's. I'm waiting on him. We bought it. Yeah, we're trying to get Sean Paul on the show. What's my man name? He died. He was in the movie, Belly. He came to my house. I had a party with him. Cutty ranks, cutty ranks. Yeah, I remember him. He came to my house. I had a party once on. I know if we did that. Hey, man, I wish I could have got to meet him. He had that movie, Lit, too. It was real dark, though. That movie's the darkest movie I've ever seen. That's my man, came to my house. Same, man. Rest in peace, man. So, hey, man, thank you so much for coming on the show, bro. Man, God bless you, bro, man. Same, man. Hey, man, in any time you're in Dallas, man, you got to let me know what's going on. I'm moving to Dallas. I don't believe it. You might buy a house here. But you look too comfortable in Florida. I'm going to go back and forth. Man, I see you, man. You over there just, hey, I seen that water behind you. Hold on, I love water. I'm down there. I can't even stay down there. I'm in the room just staring at the water, man. You got to come see me. I'm going to come see you, yeah, because her uncle is down there. He at homestead. OK. Yeah, he's at homestead. No, no, I just driving all up, yeah, yeah, man. So thank you for coming on the show, man, sharing a breeze, man. You changed the life, man. Boss Talk 101. Change.