 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 45 minutes, Adam, Justin, and I have some fun conversation before we get into the questions. We start off with, we had a sad testimonial. Apparently our programs are too effective. So depressing. So effective it's creating divorces. They're home wreckers. Then we have some fun talk about rabbit sex and dolphin orgies. We got to watch cool videos. Thanks, Doug. These are real. They happen all the time. Then we talked about cordyceps and Adam's libido. I think it might be helping them out. I mentioned FourSigmatic, who has a very high quality version of cordyceps. In fact, if you go to Four, spell it out, f-o-u-r-sigmatic.com forward slash mind pump and enter the code, mind pump without a space, you'll get a discount. We talked about Justin's trip to Las Vegas to attend the CES convention. What does that stand for? Bunch of nerds. I don't even know what that stands for. Yeah, consumer electronic something. There you go. Science. Oh, we also mentioned Brain FM. We were talking about meditation. They had some cool meditation devices. It's been a while since we talked about those guys, man. I love that problem. If you go to brain.fm forward slash mind pump, you can get yourself hooked up with a subscription to Brain FM. We also talked about the creepy transhumanism booth at the CES convention. Justin was scared to go in. He has a microchip in his penis now. And then we talked about Thrive Market. We opened up a box sent by them with some cool products. Who's this time, guys? We're also sponsored by Thrive Market. If you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mind pump, here is what you'll get. One month free membership, $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more and free shipping. Then we get to the questions. The first question was, will we ever do a pure water fast? And do we have any tips for it? You mentioned that. In fact, when this episode airs, we will all be starting a 48 if you're a pussy to 72 hours fast. Dick. Starting today. Then the next question. Why do we interview crossfitters if we're against CrossFit? Or are we against CrossFit? Or is this particular person super sensitive and being a pussy right now? Because we're not against CrossFit. We just think they're programming sucks. Next question was, do we have any tips for people with shin splints? It's funny we haven't answered this question before because it's so common. The fix is actually quite simple to find out in this episode. Finally, last question. This particular person is having trouble with the last four to five percent of their stubborn body fat. What suggestions do we have for them? Punch it. We give them the secret answer in this episode. Also this month, it's January. 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Like a, like a, like a, it's a testimonial, but it's sad. You know what I mean? So this woman. Is it like a good sad, like there's a good ending in the story? Well, so this woman writes to me and she's like, I'm leaving my husband after being married for 16 years. Whoa. Because of mind pump. What? Yeah. So I'm like, what? What did we do? Well, so. You're sending her stage photos of me? So I was like, what the fuck? So I kind of felt bad. I'm like, well, you know, what happened or whatever. She seemed to fall in love with us. Well, she used to work out wrong and do all kinds of weird diets and stuff. And then she followed our program maps and she lost a lot of weight, got really fit and realized that she could do much better. So she left her husband. So sad and bright. So I'm like, on one hand, I'm like, you got your goals. On the other hand, I'm like, fuck, we broke another, we broke up another marriage. Another one. Another family. Is this happening a lot to you right now? You get DMs a lot. I feel like it. Some records is what you're saying. That's that. Well, here's the thing I want to convey to people is if you're married or you have a significant other and you're going to do maps by yourself. It's probably not the move. Let them know. Let them know. Look, tell you, this is what you say to your boyfriend or girlfriend. Say, say, listen, say, I value you. I love you. Yeah. And at this moment, we find listen, I'm going to change. Yeah. We are on any relatively equivalent basis of hotness. Like our hotness is kind of the same. Yeah. But what's about to happen over the next few months is my hotness level is going to explode. And when that happens, I'm going to realize that I can get with someone much hotter. So you should. Metamorphosis. So you should do this with me. Yeah. And together we can elevate our value. Right. Because these are sad messages. I don't want to read that shit. We don't want that to happen. I'm not trying to hear. No. You know that maps. I'm going to elevate both. Yeah. What I want to hear is I want to hear me and my spouse both did maps and now we're both having sex five times a day or something like that. Yeah. Not. I left. Yeah. Because I got fit. Like we're just banging like rabbits. Like rabbits. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. You ever seen a rabbit bang? Then we have maps kids. Do rabbits really bang a lot? Yeah. They do. Or they just have a lot of babies. Dude, have you ever seen? They do it like with like rapid hips. Yeah. It's it's crazy. A lot of animals. That's how they do it. If you watch a cow, how he does it? If you watch dogs. How's he's rapid hips? Rap. Yeah. They all they all like you got to get it in. Yeah. It's a little bit of it's not like this. Yeah. Sex is playing in the background for a cow. When a cow has sex, it's like five seconds. Dude. Yeah. Is it really? Yeah. They get it in real quick. They penetrate. Oh, this is great. Doug that you forgot. Yeah. Bunny's having sex. Doug, I'm not trying to watch. Oh, shit. Look at that. Look at that. That's not that fast. Oh, he just tackled her. That's it. It's over. That's over. That's it's that fast. He's done. Well, he'll hit it again. I feel like that's oh again. Yeah. So he's like a little champion. I don't know. He goes for more. They go for all day. So it's just a. Here he comes. It's just a bunch of. He's making a second move. It's like just. I think that's it. Lots of. They do it one time. One time. There you go. Oh, you're wrong. Oh, no, no, no. Now he's trying to warm her up. He's trying to be cool with her. He's like, listen, I gotta listen. I know that was a little aggressive. I'm going to come in a little slow. How come her ears are so far down and back? Is that she's signifying that she likes it? Oh, man. Do you know? Did you guys know that dolphins have? Oh, there he goes. There he goes again. Wow. Yes. It's impressive. He is a little champion. Did you guys know dolphins have orgies? I've heard that. Yep. I heard their freaks. Those dad jokes. No, no, no. No, they're there. There's no. I listen. I make a lot of jokes. You know that. I never joke around about orgies. Amorous. They actually swim in pods. I think that's the term for multiple dolphins. And yeah, pods, they swim a bunch of them together and it becomes a cluster fuck. Literally. Literally. And gang bang. Wow. Yeah. They'll be like a female dolphins. And there's a bunch of like male dolphins. How long did dolphins live? I don't know. You don't know this? I don't know. We're getting into it. You know about their sexual life? Because that's interesting. I don't know how long they live. I want to know what they do with that hole. You would. You are more likely to Google. I'm more likely to Google. They do stuff in the blowhole. Is that what you're saying? I don't know. Wow. But here's some more. Stinky. Here's some more. Here's one of my favorite animals. Here's one of my other interesting facts. Why are they a favorite animal? Because they're intelligent. They're very intelligent. How long do they live? 60 years. Not that long. Not that long. That's a striped dolphin. Yeah. Wow. 55 to 60 years. That's not bad. So here's another interesting fact about dolphins. Dolphins will seek out puffer fish to get high off of them. No way. Yes. How? They, I believe. It is weird that we have animal instincts to like go after stuff like this, right? Even when you think about how we've found shrooms and we found a lot of these, these drought marijuana, like how did that happen? Because. Like one day you're just like running. Somebody ate one. Walking, walking through the forest. You're constantly shoving things in your mouth. And then one time you're like, whoa, that was fun. Yeah. Oh, thanks, Doug. He pulled up the dolphin orgy. Whoa. Might as well add to the. Damn. Look at that. To the rabbit banging. I told you. Why? Why does it say that Doug subscribes to this already? That's already viewed this video. It might also like whale humps. So, uh, so yeah, you're no animals do seek out altered states of consciousness. It's just something that animals do. And I think what probably happened with humans is because we're constantly, because humans are, we're different than most animals and that we can eat lots of different things to survive probably because, you know, food was so scarce. So we probably saw a mushroom growing out of some poop or something. And we're like, yeah, I mean, I'm going to try this. Yeah. Eat it. Eat it. And you're like, I didn't die. So everybody's like, cool. Everybody eats it. And then like two hours later, you invent. Well, there's a lot of species that have, uh, Seeked like hallucinogenic type of foods, right? Even birds. I've heard have certain foods that they go and they eat just specifically to get high. I've heard that too. What is it though that gets them high? I'm trying to remember. Like opiate seeds or some shit. Like kind of seed. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think. I don't think it does exist. Yeah. Like going along with it. What is it? What is it? Mommy, can you give me some fruit from the Vicodin tree? Some kind of mold, maybe? I don't know. Well, I mean, opiate grows like wheat, right? It looks like wheat. Doesn't it look like opium? Opium, right? Well, it's opium is poppy. Poppy. There you go. Thank you, Doug. Poppy seed is back in Doug's day. They smoke pot. That's what I was looking for. Those muffins all the time. Poppy. No, I really think, I think that you're right. I think the birds are, and I think it's poppy seeds. It's not opiate seed. It was fucking, that's what I was looking for was poppy seeds. Poppy seeds are how you make opium. So I think it is that. Look it up, Doug. What are the birds? How do birds get high? That's the Google. That's how you Google that. We're totally using our Google time. I feel like you could open up like a seed company and sell them and just because you're like in the Hispanic, so you can sell them as poppy seeds. You know what I mean? What? Like poppy. Don't they say that? Yeah, poppy. That was a terrible stretch. Is that not going to work? We're going to give you a mulligan for that one. A what? You're going to get a mulligan. There you go. The sports reference. It's a mulligan. It's okay. We're going to let that one go. More interesting facts is I don't know if I've told this on the podcast, the fungus cordyceps, you know where a lot of it grows as a parasite on a type of caterpillar. Yeah. It grows off the caterpillar until the caterpillar dies. Right. Turns it into like a zombie caterpillar. And then that's the cordyceps. No, that's the ant. Remember that zombie ant that it also takes over. That's right. Look at it. Look at it. Birds get stoned by rubbing ants on their wings. What? I was way off. That is bizarre. It's called anting. I knew they did something, but that was not what I thought. Dude, how fucked up would that be if you were the ant? You know what I'm saying? Why do they keep rubbing me all over them? Yeah. It was this big animal that got high off. It was like smashing humans on them. I had never heard of that before. Did you know that? Well, you obviously did because you knew. No, I knew birds get high, but I thought I would just assume that it would be off of something. They ate something. Right. I would not think that it had anything to do with taking ants and rubbing them over. No, so what I was going to say is what's cool about this is if you look at all the ancient forms of medicine and all because there's forms of medicine that are thousands and thousands and thousands of years old and it all starts with observation. So like herders would notice that when their goats ate this particular plant, they had sex with each other and that's where you get horny goatweed, which is a real. Cordyceps, they notice that animals that ate this fungus were strong and virile, so they started to eat this mushroom. So they just observe what other animals are doing and actually right now, cordyceps would be a good thing to take during flu season. It's antiviral. Oh, it is? Yeah, it is. And speaking of cordyceps, how's they working for it? Because I know you're taking them with the ashwagandha and everything else. Yeah, dude. I have quite the stack going on over at my house right now. Is it helping? It is. So I, and what? Yes. And now that I'm incorporating the Juve light, I was going to put a post up. I've just been waiting to share all the herbal supplements that I've been taking and then the protocol I've been using with the Juve light. But I wanted to make sure that I preface that with, this is my experience. I'm not telling people that if you do this for sure, don't increase your testosterone. What I have noticed with me, because I have mine, has been through the floor for the last six months or so. I'm noticing my libido coming back. And it's significantly in comparison, right? It's still not good. I'm still not back to what I was. You're just noticing a positive change? Yeah, no. I mean, keep being completely transparent. I was going, you know, I would go a week or two and have zero sex drive whatsoever. So no libido at all. And so now starting to feel that come back where I have these thoughts, I had these desires throughout the day. I wasn't having that before. That's happening to me again now. So that's a really good feeling. So I know that I'm heading in the right direction. And considering all things considering. I mean, I'm going through this injury right now. I got sick. Like it's a motherfucker right now to be trying to increase my testosterone naturally. And I would love to be in there heavy squatting occasionally and stuff. Have you had blood work done yet? Not since all this. So I had blood work done last year. So last. Are you planning on doing it again? Yeah, it's, I mean, yeah. If I get around to it. So, you know, it's not as much of a priority to me because I've done it enough times to kind of, I know my body can feel my body. And I know when it's low, when it's high. I recommend to people to get your blood work done. But I don't honestly do it every single year anymore because I've done it enough times. So what I was going to say is what's weird about, because libido can definitely be a strong sign of lower or higher testosterone, but not always. For example, you can take, if you're a normal, healthy male and you take ashwagandha or cordyceps, or let me think of another one, tribulus or horny goatweed. And you're already normal and healthy. Tunk cat alley. Tunk cat alley. That's another one I'm thinking. Your testosterone won't go up. Studies will show that they don't really raise testosterone in healthy men, but your libido will still go up. So the average guy, if he takes cordyceps or horny goatweed or one of these other ones, you'll probably notice a boost in libido. It doesn't mean your testosterone is going up. That's interesting. But they do show in studies with men with low testosterone that a real razor testosterone. But the only way to know is have a blood test. You could have the subjective feelings of higher testosterone, but you don't really know. I've had clients that will go get their testosterone levels checked and they think they're low and their testosterone everything's real high. And then it had other times when a guy gets a random physical and everything feels fine. That's sex, drive, motivation, strength, everything's good. It gets tested and he's under range. So it's kind of weird. You saying that makes me really interested to do it again, but I've been pretty spot on to how I feel is normally a pretty direct correlation with what I do. Would I be able to guess exactly where my test is right now? Probably not. But I bet I could get a pretty good guesstimate. Guest, hello. Guestimate? Guestimate works. Yeah, pretty good guesstimate on where the range that I'm at right now in comparison to where I've been. Where I really fucked up and where I actually recommend young men to go get tested now before you ever fuck with anything. You know the baseline. I wish I would, because that to me is the biggest difference. So you have like some hormone therapist so that the healthy range they say is that range from 400 to like 1200, right? That's like, would they consider a healthy range? Well, that's a wide range. And so if you're somebody who goes in, you test at 500, doctor would say, hey, you're total normal testosterone, send you away. But what if you were somebody who just two years before you fucked around with steroids actually would have tested at 1200 free test and then you fuck with steroids and then it now has lowered your free test down to like 500. But yet you still fall in the quote unquote normal range but it's really not normal for you because you were used to higher levels. Those ranges are established off of averages. That's all it is. That's what I'm saying. So my point is that you could definitely be low testosterone but not be testing super low on what they consider an average because you might have been somebody who had abnormally high testosterone and you're used to that. You're used to that feeling and you don't know what it's like. You got a test will tell you only some information but not all then you have to consider your own subjective how you feel. So this is why I'm not like in a rush to go back and see where my blood is and let's see what they read to me because I don't give a fuck what it says that much. I care about how I feel and the number one driver for me right now is my libido because that affects my partner. That affects my relationship. You know, to be honest being like estrogen heavy and low testosterone probably makes me a fucking great partner as far as emotionally. You're having good conversation. Great conversation. I'm a lover. I like to cuddle right now. Like all that shit. You want to watch the same shows. Right. So if I could just get my libido and check like I'm fucking yeah, I got a happy wife at home. Are you all sensitive? Does she know your feelings? Oh, totally. I'm totally that guy right now. So there I mean to me as long as long as that part is solid. Yeah, it matters to me to be able to build some muscle and shit. So I'm sure when I get back into a very consistent regimen if I'm feeling like I'm not building it all knowing what I'm applying to my training and my diet that might dictate if I go back on testosterone or not. But for me the relationship, the libido is my number one thing that I'm looking at right now and trying to fix. If that's good then I could slowly work on building the testosterone levels up and building muscle in the future and things like that. But so far so good where we're going. It's more of a mental game for me than it is a physical one right now. So that's what I find the most challenging is just keeping my head straight about it. Good deal. Justin, you just got back from CES. I did, man. I want to hear all about that, dude. It was a whirlwind, dude. What happened? Well, at first we were waiting because our flight was delayed and so we didn't get there until super late at night, Monday night. And then Tuesday basically we had one day. One day to experience what CES was and let me just tell you that you could probably put like 20 fitness expos and 20 paleo effects all in there into one thing. It's that big? Yeah. It was like an ocean of people. How long would it take you to walk from one end to the other? I don't know, man. Honestly, probably like a half an hour. What? Yeah. That's insane. Yeah, at one of the conventions. I had no idea. And so here's the thing. We didn't know. I didn't know what to expect either. This was like totally one of those things that I was like really excited to go because I geek out on a lot of these products and a lot of the future stuff that's coming out. And all these companies are kind of showing off and peacocking a bit and trying to get press and all this attention. And so, we're running, hustling. We're getting all this film and footage and we ended up at the convention center which was all the stuff that's like, you know, stuff for your camera for drones, for theater, for RVs, trucks, all this kind of stuff. And I'm like, where the fuck is the fitness? Where's the wellness? Where's all this other stuff? It turns out it's in an entirely different location, like across town at the Venetian. Oh, really? So, we spent half our day waiting in all these lines and it was raining and freezing and shit and at our hotel, it was flooded where we're supposed to pick up Uber and everything and so we had to walk all around Vegas to try and get to a spot where an Uber would actually pick us up. It was pretty chaotic, dude. Since the moment where I did that parkour video until I got there, it was just been pure chaos. So, I was just riding by the seat of my pants and so anyway, we finally figured out that oh shit, we're in the wrong place. So, now we got to get over there. We get over there. I run into somebody that recognizes me from Mind Pump which was Rad and shout out to Sandra and Flextronics for providing me with a pass to get in and everything. They pulled me into their special event where I met like really, really fascinating CEOs that were showing off and displaying stuff that they weren't out on the floor. So, I got exclusive kind of coverage of some products that only like CNN and some of these other news media channels kind of got to cover. So, that was pretty cool. Did you see any like trends or, you know, was there a theme? Because I feel like sometimes you go, like I remember when we went to Paleo FX, the theme felt very bone broth and jerky or whatever. You know what I mean? Or coffee bombs. I saw a lot of those. Was there like a theme? Yeah. So, there was like two themes. So, you saw like a gajillion wearables and then you also saw people really trying to address sleep. So, that being in... Oh. There was like a whole section of like in-home technology. So, everywhere from your mattress to like lighting to, you know, you name it. Like everything that was like an accessory in your house like they're trying to make in the direction of like being able to kind of ritualize your sleep patterns. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. And like obviously the sleep number bed, all that kind of stuff. But we actually ran into a cool company, Newcom, I believe their name is. And we've logged some of this. So, Taylor and I actually, last minute, like we ran into Josh Trent there from Wellness Force and he had just, he did a panel earlier that morning that we missed because we were in the wrong place. But he gave us a heads up and a tip to go check them out. And we just kind of like, again, this is another one of those cool things that like I had a media pass and I don't know why, you know, but I'm just like, you know, using it. Was that from Sandra Frisco Bella, Sandra? Yes. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My home girl. I didn't know that she was the one who hooked this all up. Oh, she's awesome. Yeah. Was she there? Yes, she was. I actually didn't know she was going to be there. I didn't even know where their booth was. We just randomly, we saw two security guards kind of standing outside and we were like, what is this? What do you guys got going on in there? Oh, you know, this is private, private event, this and that. And we're like, oh, that's weird. We got media passes. Yeah. He's like, oh, really? Okay. Well, you know, let me go see who's there. And then somebody at the front, you know, the, of this, you know, like event recognized me and it wasn't Sandra. And then she's like, oh, you know, you're from Mind Pump. And then it kind of, it was cool because like, it was like, wow, validation. Yeah. I saw you put on those Nikes that dope. Yeah. How does that work? You just put your foot in there? Yeah. So there's just like technology that FlexTronics actually worked with Nike to build and they put it on the bottom of the shoe. And so it's like, it basically like, it has a wire that goes through the laces. And so it just, it just tightens up from that little motor on the bottom of your shoe and it just cinches it up. So whatever it is, like as far as the snug fit, like it, as you're running and everything, it will like readjust and keep it snug. So if your shoe laces like basically never get like that loose feeling. So have you ever, have you, have you, oh, you haven't done snowboarding or wake, so snowboarding boots now, they've been around now for good, I want to say 10 years almost similar technology. So my boots, my wakeboard boots and my old snowboard boots, you have this little, just it's a knob. So I had to do it manually. So they've now automated it, right? But it wrote, you have a wire. I remember those. Yeah. And you just crank on it and it goes, and it cinches the laces up and you slide your feet in and then you just crank it. And then it just cinches the whole thing up. Yeah. My most comfortable boots that I've ever ridden. So imagine that feeling just like that but way cooler. Yeah. Yeah. But it was totally back to the future-esque, you know, like they came out with that one shoe that they, they basically modeled exactly after back to the future too. But so this was like, I guess these are out in the market already. I didn't even know that. Hey, Nike or was it another brand? Nike. It is Nike. It is Nike. You saw them on the video, right? Yeah. I couldn't remember if you- They almost look like the ones on Back to the Future. Yeah, almost. A little bit. I was like, a little bit of me was like hoping like, oh, will they give this to me for free or what? Yeah. I was trying to, I was trying to score all this gear while I was there. That was my other goal. Did you get anything? And I got some stuff. Yeah. Really? Yeah, I got this in motion bracelet. Yeah. A wearable that, so it has that same kind of technology, the bioelectric impedance, but they're kind of spin on just like having all the wearable stuff that everybody tries to have as far as like a pedometer and heart rate and all these kinds of different features. They actually have it so you can place your fingers on top of the, like has these metal sensors on top that will basically register through the bioelectric impedance and give you some kind of a registered body fat percentage. So now you have that like sort of ease of access, right? So that's kind of an interesting feature that I thought was cool to differentiate. Bring it in. I want to, I want all of us to test our body fat. Did they tell you, did they tell you the price of the shoes when it's going to hit the market? Like how much? Yeah, like upwards of like $7.99 to $1,000. Oh, shit. So. What? There you go. If you're really into that shit, they're really just catering to that sneaker head kind of market, right? Well that's me, but that's fucking insane though. It is still insane. That is. How much are Yeezys and all that? Well, yeah. Yeah. So I've spent a lot more than that on a pair of shoes, but those have different types of value, right? But although the first edition of those will probably be worth that, it would be smart to probably invest in these 700 sounds crazy. I know someone thinks that's probably nuts to invest in that. It is crazy. But. Might be crazy to buy them like wearing them out and shit. Well, what makes, what makes those special is because it's like a first edition, like obviously that if they keep selling them for 700 or something going down the road, it'd be tougher, I think to continue to get that price range. But you pay for Yeezys, a lot of what you're paying for is that first collaboration. So like I have the original Yeezys with Nike and they're worth a lot of money because he's no longer with Nike, he's with Adidas. So you know, it's like when a baseball player after they retire and shit like that and they were fucking, they have all kinds of records, baseball card goes up. It's a similar type of market. But that's a lot of money for a new shoe like that. It is. That's crazy. That's per shoe. Yeah. Right now I can save some money. You're good. Yeah. You got one right now. I'm half off right now, right? What's cool to me is that you see kind of how the fitness industry moves in terms of what they're talking about and then you can pretty much predict that there's going to be products around that. Like you said, sleep. Yeah. And then I would assume meditation. Did you see anyone meditation? Yes, meditation. So this, I was kind of mentioning Newcom and they were just doing like celebrities and people that had VIP and so we were able to kind of sneak our way in there. And we got a 20 minute session. So what is it? So they have like a GABA cream, I guess, to basically like put like underneath your chin on your neck right about here. Under your croquet. Right? And so basically like you get these like whatever you call it, like nightshade so you don't have any, it blocks out all the light and everything. And then you listen to ambient sort of music. And each one of it is specifically tailored to get you into that theta state. And then you're kind of laying back on this, this recliner and they put like a, you know, blanket over you anyways. So we're doing like 20 minutes of this. And like with the technology, what they're trying to do is basically, you know, like speed the process up to get you to that, that meditative state. And I was like, yeah, whatever. Like I've heard that before I've done Brain FM, you know, I've done all these other things that have helped me to sort of calm and get to that, you know, parasympathetic state. And so I was like, cool, cause he, the way he was kind of pitching it was, you know, people that are sleep deprived or like, you know, you're traveling and all these kinds of things like you're going to be able to feel recovered. And then you're going to get up and feel a little bit sharper, but like relaxed and this and that, which, you know, probably would have been the case. However, my adrenaline was so high. I was so sleep deprived, you know, the night before we set off like the fire alarm, like shit was just like chaotic. And so we only got like two, three hours of sleep. Anyway, that's another story. But so, so we were just like running on fumes and we just finally, we were like told our body we could rest. And so we both were like, like I wasn't asleep mentally, but my body was just completely out. Like I was out quick too. It was like, it was crazy. It was like a weird sensation. And then I got out and we're walking and I'm like, oh my God, how are you feeling? He's like, I'm like way too chill. You know, I'm like, I'm trying to like muster up some energy to keep, keep going. And we thought that like, okay, we'll start kind of reclaiming our energy as we go and kind of do this, like, it never came back dude. Like we literally were, we were going to go out and gamble and like meet some people, network and do all kinds of stuff, dude. We, we could barely even muster energy to go out to like eat and get something downstairs. Wow. We were just like done. How did it compare because we're all, we talked, I mean it's been a while since we talked about brain FM, but we all love brain FM. We all utilize brain. I was using brain FM last night. Yeah. So how does it compare to that? I think that the, as far as the sound was similar, but like the patterns were different. Like it, it was a lot more ambient noise than when I had. So it had a little bit of a different sort of structure to it. But the feeling was completely different. I think it was the gamma cream or whatever they use. Gaba. Gaba I mean. Yeah. So that it's an inhibited, it's an inhibitory neurotransmitter. I believe. Thank you. And so it's like, so like alcohol releases GABA. I think cannabis can release GABA. So it's just like relaxing. Like, you know, okay. But if you have a lot of GABA in your brain, it'll probably make you feel sleepy and drowsy. Yeah. So I imagine that if I was, we're to add like the brain FM and then the GABA cream at the same time, like it probably been similar. Makes me interesting. I'm gonna wear some GABA cream. It's a central nervous system. I think so. It's a present. So that might have been why you felt so sleepy. Yeah. Yeah. It was like, it was very powerful. So, but it's crazy that they made a cream because it's hard to get GABA to cross the blood brain barrier. So they put, they give you a cream, which means it's transdermal somehow. But I don't, I mean, how, you know, how's it penetrating? There's gotta be something else to it. I'd like to learn more about it. Yeah. So that's the thing. I don't really know. Like we didn't get the full breakdown of, you know, the engineering that went behind it and, you know, in the software. You remember the name of the company? Newcom. So and you calm. Yeah. So, but very fascinating. I mean, I guess it's getting a lot of praise within, you know, the tech community and everything. And then, I mean, we just, were those your favorite or did you have any that? Um, those were two good ones. You know what? Like I, I thought that VR was kind of like this buzz thing that was like super gimmicky and like, you know, it was kind of overhyped. And then I actually tried, you know, a few of them. And I got to say, dude, it was so much fucking fun. Like that was like, I saw the one where you're laying down like an airplane or a flying bird or what the fuck you were. Right. Right. What were you doing? That one in like specifically they were in the fitness base and they were trying to kind of make a game that you basically are flying almost like a, you know, one of those like gliders through the rings and stuff. And it's kind of like, remember when we did the, the neural feedback down with Dr. Andrew Hill and he had that. So it's like, but this one's like, you're involved. Like you're immersed in this, you're flying. And so being in that kind of position too. So their angle with it is that like you're basically in some sort of a plank. So you're stabilizing, you know, your core with your core. You're exercising the whole time. Did you feel like you were working that hard? Or was it? No, because the thing is it, when you go to like turn and rotate and so it rotates your whole body and like, you're just focused on trying to get to that place that you need to get to get the points, you know. And so like it was cool because it, like I'm just competitive. I'm a gamer and everything. So I just, I just had fun doing that. And I could see how like initially you could, you could argue that it did something for my core and like maybe strengthen me just in that position. But you know, they're going to run into that wall of like, okay, now all that is irrelevant. Dude, when VR gets really good and cheap, that's going to change so much stuff. Yeah. But okay, there's the opposite of this is where it was really stupid. I saw this company that was like, basically recreating you going into a gym so you're going into a fake gym and like basically like exercising. And I'm like, why don't you just go to a real gym? You know, like this is so dumb. Like why do I care about going to a gym and lifting things when it's not even real? Like pretending to work out. Like pretending, yeah. It was so funny. Because they can make you really strong on VR. Like, whoa, I could bitch 500 pounds. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I was like, this is ridiculous. It was funny, but I'm sure some people will be into it. But you know, if you think about it, there's going to be a lot of people that want to do that. Why would you want to, and fitness people will do it. And why would you want to hand glide in VR when you can hand glide for real? Or why would you want to have sex with VR porn when you could have real sex? Man, where was I? I was trying to find the VR porn. I could find it. I could see, think of how many people, okay, in our career that we've met that were very intimidated to go to the gym. Yeah. How less intimidating is it if you could go, pretend to go to the gym in VR world, there's an argument there, for sure. Your VR trainer comes over and says, come on over here, Susie, don't be intimidated by the weight room. Oh my God, you're looking good today. You know. Pick those dumbbells up. We're going to do some of these fly. Yeah, great job. Wow, everybody's fatter than me in this gym. Exactly. Everybody's shaking out of breath. Look at Johnson over here. He's really dogging it today. I'm the most fit person in here. That's cool. That's cool, but you didn't find the VR porn, huh? No. That's stupid. I know, it's funny. I would for sure expect that to, of course you were. Funny. Yeah. Yeah, that's why. That's totally the main reason. And awesome. You got to go behind the curtain. Yeah. Yeah, there's probably, it's probably like in the underground, the basement or something. Put this on real quick. It's all the real creeps. So, but yeah, no, I met, I met a lot of really cool people, a lot of real innovative ideas and made some good contacts. So I had a good time. It just goes to show you the difference in size between the industries. Like you have, we went to. It's fucking huge. Yeah, because we went to the LA FitExpo, which is the large, it's one of the largest ones, right? Yeah, yeah, it's up there. Okay. So it's one of the largest ones, but it's pales in comparison to a tech one. Right. Which we got, we really got lost. Like even when we got to the fitness one, like we couldn't remember exactly where we entered. Like we got turned around like at least four or five times. It was crazy. Wow. Yeah. I mean, there was just so much cool shit in there. I couldn't even take it all in. We tried so hard to like hit every booth. So like everybody was like breaking down for the day and like they're leaving and we're just like trying to trying to capture as many people as we could and stayed there basically till the lights. Now how do they get, because I noticed the FitExpo's, their goal is to get your attention. And the way they do it at the fitness expos is usually girls that are half naked, loud music or they're throwing t-shirts or like one of the booths had a, looked like a Formula One car in the bushes. I don't know why, but people would pose in front of it. What are they doing there to get attention? They're building out their, like they're putting a ton of money into their actual like their booths. So it becomes an experience on its own. But there was a little bit of, you know, the girl thing. If you went on the other, the convention center, like they had, you know, it's a lot of peacocking. Like there's some companies that like were obnoxious and, you know, and they had like, like there's this, there's this like ridiculous RV that had like a trailer and like a truck that was like, had to be worth at least a million, you know, each. Like these things were just absurd. What's in the RV? Was it just big? It's just big. It looked like, you know, looked like a Bentley. You know, like it just, those like had everything like luxurious. Like I actually, we took some footage. You guys will see, but like, I mean, it had like the most pimp like couch in there with a flat screen and then like kitchen and then in the back, you got this like mirror and rotating bed and the like a helicopter flies on top of it. You know what I'm saying? I was like, dude, this is made for mine pump. What's the point of it? What would they're trying to market that or sell that? Yeah, they're trying to market and like get, get people's interest. Cause like, I guess like that's where, you know, your tech millionaire type characters are hanging out. So apparently they're trying to. That's how they go to Burning Man. Yeah. That's how Elon Musk goes to Burning Man. That's how I'd like to go right there. That's how I want to go anywhere. I was like, dude, that's so awesome. But they had like the hot chick, you know, kind of like everywhere around that thing. And then like there was just, yeah, there was this one really, really creepy booth. And I was like, we looked at each other. Oh my God. We gotta leave dude. This is fucking creep me out. Like there was, it was, I think it was somewhat transhumanism that they were sort of promoting with it. Right. So transhumanism is this like whole movement to like become more of like a robot, basically. Yeah. You just slowly introduce like chips and, you know, tech within your body. And so they had like these representatives, these models out there that were basically actresses and actors that like played sort of this weird like, I don't know, it reminded me a lot of Westworld on some level. So they had this, this kind of demeanor that was almost robotic in the way that they talked to you and everything. And I was like talking to this girl and I'm like, oh, so like what is the technology? I was like trying to get like information from her before I went inside the booth and everything. And she just was like really like, wouldn't give me any information and was just like really weird, awkward. She's like, I don't know what, I'm just supposed to act like a robot. Yeah. Like you're going to be sexy and new. And I was like, you're creeping me out. Did you not go in there? No. And they had like people on the outside, like, so I did some research later. I guess they're, they're promoting some kind of technology where you put like chips in your spine. That sounds safe. Right. And like you're supposed to admit some kind of pheromone and like be more attractive. Oh my God. Some creepy shit. What? Yes. That sounds interesting. Yes. And there's a documentary on Netflix that's coming out with, that's like, it's like a, a sci-fi show, but it's like highlighting their technology. So. Oh really? I thought that was like, oh wow. The length that man will go. Dude. And it was, it was just, it's one of those things you're just like, okay. Do you guys think we're around the corner from this? Do you think we're around the corner from the half freaking robot? You think you're going to start seeing more? I think. It's happening already, but I mean like it's not commercial. They're still really clunky. Yeah. I think that, I think that. Robots are way clunky. I think the technology will first be applied to like people who want to become able bodied. So, you know, if you have like paralyzed or you have a limb that's, you know, you're missing a limb or you're blind or whatever, that's already starting to happen with certain types of technology and that'll get accepted really quick when it's going to get weird is when normal, healthy people. To enhance things. Yeah. And that is a more, that'll be more of a moral issue than anything. I bet you people want laws against that. Imagine this. Imagine if somebody could implant some kind of a, you know, a lens into their eye and now they have like binocular vision. Black hair. You know what I mean? That might make you, that might make you a little bit uncomfortable knowing that the dude over there. Depearing into your room. Yeah, he could totally be way far away. Just creeping on you. Right. Or, you know, the chip that gives you like where you can access the internet through thought. Like that would suck. I mean, that's kind of, they were getting in that direction of like longevity. Like, you know, you're going to live forever in the internet and all that and like, we're going to download your consciousness. So, you know where the real, the real question of that is and this is something that they cannot answer and I don't think you'll ever be able to answer. Let's say we could take your consciousness and, you know, download it to a computer. Is that really you or is it a perfect copy of you? We would never fucking know. Not even the copy of you would know because it would still be you. Would you still feel it? Right, but is it just a perfect copy of you? Yeah. We'd never know that. That'd be so, that's one of those things that's just. I don't know. But good luck with that. Mind boggling. Yeah. Mind boggling. What movie is that where he says that? I don't know. My mind is bottled. Is that what that is? I don't know. I don't know. I think that kind of thing, it's almost like I'm not a good guy. I'm not good at all. Yeah. They make fun of the girl, the Colombian girl when she did her accent and she brought it up there. Just the episode I was watching the other day she brings up like, what do I mess up? She's hot, dude. She's attractive. Her and isn't she with that one dude that like. From Magic Mike. Yeah. What? I know that, this is my guy. I know that because this was a conversation that we were having last night, literally. So she we're talking about. was and she's I think like late 40s now and she's like yeah no she's dating the guy from Magic Might and I was like you chaining chaining whatever his name is and she's like no no no no the silverhead one the other one dude the other guy yeah what's his name dude I don't know Joe oh Joe mangya mangya yellow it's my cousin it's my cousin no somebody actually told me that I look like him yeah any handsome guy that is dark I was like oh my god I look like somebody every every tell you guys I was like I've been told that I look like a superman no nobody told me everybody tells more like somebody wanted to tell me nobody told me though Louie yeah he's six five eat some fuck me to homeboy six five yeah I just looked him up right now it's big yeah big boy that sucks she doesn't look like she's from down there don't look petite to me bro this is a guy this is the kind of guy is the kind of man some good you know that in a tribe would get he's like he's the he's the guy that's all the women you know I mean a guy like this if you're in a tribe with good luck you're screwed yeah basically hang out with him so yeah but hey you mind if I get the other ones yeah a little try right right nope hey I believe we have some stuff from thrive yeah whoa look at we do some fever is this who's it who's got what we got going on here Douglas today is just an order to demonstrate there's many things that thrive you may not be aware of oh cool all right I already was already feeling like that when our regular orders man yeah every time you order something I'm surprised your insider information right here what would you say they they're starting to remind me of like a organic Costco yeah I kind of feel like that right that's what that's what that a hundred percent what they're they're doing a hundred percent so I think a lot of people think oh thrive market it's a place where you get food or you can get bozu ball yeah oh shoot oh no exercise a physical ball ball yeah oh good call we need that good call we need it because your dog is bit bit bit lately ate it a little a little warning for you guys when Bentley comes in you do not want any balls around because ouch I'll zip mine up yeah he gets really gets weird that's a non-gmo physical ball yeah they include a pump oh comes with a pump there's a penis pump out there it is looks like okay this next thing I got was I thought useful for families because I you know I have a daughter and she takes a school lunch and I like to give her something quality to eat but I don't like to put it in plastic so what this is is made out recycle bottles first off what insulated bags check that out cool pass around here and see how it goes huh this is cool and then what you put inside it's a lunch tote is a stainless steel bento box type oh that's great look at that awesome stainless steel yeah so they also have a ice pack that goes along with it again made from recycled plastic bottles I think this is pretty awesome for anybody who wants to wow this is really cool give their kid something that's not gonna leak they do sell a lot of shit I never I did not go on there and look up the section that was the order this week thank you Doug very this little this little lunch tote is actually kind of stylish to did I like this yeah throw the ice pack in there boom you know and it's like set to where you could probably fit to maybe three of those things that you have done which is more realistic right and for the average person said like the six pack bath this is like the normal humans version of the six pack bags yeah it's the same like but probably reasonable lunch probably better quality because their stuff really sucked when they first came out it's gotten a little bit better but I think I've gone through like six six pack must not want to be affiliated with us that's what they get you know so I want to tell you I just took some shit about your company told you I actually I did reach out to them a long time ago I'm gonna fuck them bird this cause brought to you by Organifi for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge try Organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organifi.com that's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off at checkout first up Nick Ford health will you guys do a pure water fast or a black coffee slash water fast I'm attempting to do a 48 hour fast this week and we'd love to hear more about your strategy we are going to do a fast starting now we're recording this on a Thursday and it's airing tomorrow which will be when we're starting the fast so when this airs that will be the first day of what I hope to be a 72 hour fast my goal is three days but I'm I've already told myself that I could buckle it to you've already gave yourself an I gave myself an out because the same way I coach and teach people that are trying to like extend their fast is I've never done a two day fast so try and stretch the three never done it to even know to yeah so I'm gonna be happy if I can get two full days I'll be happy I'm gonna obviously go for three so maybe by day two I'm already used to not having any food yeah so you've done a three day right I've done three before I've only done two two day also oh really yep and you know what I noticed after this second day and you might notice this to Adam because I've heard other people say this is that the first day was actually hard after the second day I'm like I could do this forever that's kind of how I feel it might happen like I'm ready for that I'm ready for that that so that's the goal is to go three if if I feel that way but if I don't feel that way then I'm willing to throw the towel in it so do you guys have any strategies or anything you're gonna do I will just hydrate it reminds me of when I get ready for a show obviously I'm not restricting to nothing I'm still eating something but when you start to restrict like that it's challenging no matter what so water and gum is like my my go-to man you can't have gum why can't I have gum it isn't because then it doesn't count that's a bullshit fucking it's true that's a bullshit I'll be chewing gum and drink you're actually Rhonda Patrick even Rhonda Patrick says that anything but water is called it's considered breaking even coffee I know that's why I'm like so there's the there's the fasting I here's it here's the deal with that and I'll make this clear on the show like in and this is not like arguing with Rhonda Patrick what I would argue though is that the difference as far as the benefits the health benefits that you'll get from restricting to just water and chewing gum is fucking not that big of a difference than somebody who went and did nothing whatsoever right so if you went three days no water no gum no coffee no anything versus somebody who went there and had water and gum to kind of help keep their mind fucking the health benefits to the two are going to be pretty damn fucking close now you now it's the funny thing about that is you're you're actually probably right the there's something called the fasting mimicking diet which is advocated by Dr. Walter Longo and this is a five-day sub low calorie diet where you're eating something like five or six hundred calories a day right and it's mostly fat very very little protein and no carbohydrates and what he's finding in his studies is that they are getting what seems to be equivalent benefits to a traditional just straight up water fast so that just confirms my point that it's like that those people are getting calories even so if you're somebody who's restricting to just pure water coffee or you know you're really splitting the I'm wondering if the gum might actually make you more hungry though no well I mean no it's used it when you die it helps it helps because it's keeping my mouth busy that's what the water thing like the water thing too I mean it helps to just keep need that keep it busy if you keep it busy where you're constantly drinking sipping something or you're chewing gum trust me this is not my first rodeo restricting to the level that I had to restrict to get it on fucking stage ready let me tell you it's I don't think this is gonna be harder for me fasting for one to three days compared to dieting for a show for eight weeks to me that's what day out every day and being in for the most I will not argue with that at all I'd rather do all fucking fast for you know three four days right eight weeks or 12 weeks of diet any day of the week what do you guys what do you notice Justin because you have you've done the longest fast and I think you've probably done them more frequently because I've done 24 and 48 but I only did a 48 once how many times have you done the prolonged ones the prolonged one so if I I've only done probably the prolonged ones twice so if I've done two three day fast before and I've also done like 24 hour fasts like a few times previous to that so that's how I kind of started this and then you know if you count well basically I restructured the entire way I eat after I started doing the 24 hour fast because it was like so profound for me personally and so me going through the three day fast what I noticed the most is that yeah the first days especially if I've been eating breakfast consistently I notice in the morning it's like oh my god it's a little bit like like you get those pain the hunger pains a little bit and then you kind of work your way through that but for me I just had to stay busy and then towards the end of the day it starts to calm down as long as I'm hydrating pretty consistently when I need it and but then my mental clarity my sharpness starts to kick in and then the next day I get more energetic and then I start really thinking really clear and so by the third day I'm just like very sharp and I'm not really thinking about food at that point and then it's like I have to reintroduce food almost like that's kind of a chore yeah so yeah it's interesting you don't be cool as if we all have a similar experience is that how to try and test like one of our retreats where we get away where we lead up to that in a fast like we're already fasted for a day so me day day to be on fire bro your mind is it's pretty your Justin's right I experienced the same thing with the 48 hour fast my mind was very wouldn't that be cool though we did that then if we all have that same experience we all agree that that's how we feel I would love to challenge us where it's like okay we know we're leaving like let's say on Saturday let's fast Friday so when we get there Saturday we're already on the second day being fasted work for that whole day maybe the third day is the second day or third day we're there then we eat or whatever that enjoy a big feast after we've got down on I bet you're right dude I bet you would be all on fire in animal studies 72 hour fast I can't remember which animals they used regenerated the entire immune system oh I remember when you first talked about that and somebody tried to fucking get all but no like so all the immune cells the immune cells you know start to die off and replace themselves with new immune cells not while you're fasting this happens during the refeeding process when stem cells are turned on and then they read they turn into new cells to replace kind of the old ones and then there was a study that was done and this was published in medical journals on patients with chemotherapy they had them do a 72 hour fast prior to chemotherapy and the fasting what they're saying is that fasting turns on a system in the body where the body then starts to recognize these cancer cells and starts to kill them so that's cool right they did the fast did the chemo killed way more cancer with less chemo but the part that they did not anticipate was that fasting actually reduced the damage from the chemo on healthy cells like it's fucking weird when you think about it because you expect it to do the same thing for all the cells but in reality it's protecting the healthy cells and weakening you know the sick cells yeah and when you start to realize that fasting is not I mean we're using it as a technique and all stuff but in reality it's just another operating system that we do not we don't harness anymore it's like you give your body a chance to really like work internally like you just allowing like instead of it you know prioritizing the digestive you know process and all the mechanisms that go with that like now of a sudden it's okay now that now they have free reign to kind of like go throughout your body and identify problematic cells well I do want to point out though that we all agree on this and we wrote a we wrote a whole guide on fasting right so we offer a guide but yet the same time I'll tell you that I don't recommend fasting to everybody because I also think that there's levels to this and more the majority of people I hear that are doing it are doing it because somebody else has attached it to fat loss or attached it to some of the benefits and so people are going into it like oh I heard fasting is a great way to lose some body fat like that should not be your main driver to do a fast like we are searching for the health benefits and it should be something intermittently thrown into your routine and I think I highly recommend that you have a good understanding of your your body's baseline first and where you're at your caloric maintenance is before before you start restricting and taking away because otherwise it can really quickly lead to an eating disorder in itself you have that I've seen that relationship and I've seen this happen I've seen people that I meet that oh I fast every day and this is not it's like oh it's so it works so well for me I've lost all this weight and it's like ah it's not the reason why yeah no the way the way I look at fasting now is different than the way I looked at it in the past in that I think if I'm gonna make a prediction with fasting I think what will happen is people are gonna use it periodically like this like you know once every three months or one or twice a year I do a five-day fast or something like that I don't necessarily think the everyday fast type of thing is necessarily gonna be what people are gonna do I think it's just I'm gonna tap into it you know once or twice a year kill off old cells you know stimulate stem cells regenerate you know parts of my body do you know that your your organs shrink when you fast your liver in particular trip will shrink as you're fasting you feel your stomach shrink for sure yeah yeah it does but I mean literally like your liver starts to like it's literally starts to shrink like some of it gets metal almost like metabolized by the body and then when you refeed it rebuilds but with better function it's just another operating system and we totally it's funny because we've done it on accident as humans like we're like oh shit we need to solve you know starvation and hunger to the point where we don't realize that we you know we're we're not living the way the body lives optimally shedding down a vital component that really benefits us I think out of all the natural things you could do besides you know just leading a healthy life the single you know act of you know utilizing fast things probably one of most anti cancer things that I can think of just based off of the current literature it's it's pretty awesome for me personally my experience with the 48 hour fast the reason why I did it was I was having really really bad gut issues and when I came out of the 48 hour fast I did the you know the parasite cleanse and all that stuff yeah and it like it was such a dramatic reversal of how I felt how my gut had been feeling for months that it really blew me away so I'm really interested to see how I feel after this fast because I know in particular for the gut it's it's a it's a good thing because the gut regenerates cells so quickly I would imagine that fasting would probably cause that to happen much faster so next question is from bonica zalasack bonica why do you guys interview crossfitters when you guys are against it can't tell if you support it want to see their side and try to understand it better or call them out on the show it's so funny when people say this because yeah why would we do that we're not against crossfitters at all I've got I think we've said since the very beginning that I've got quite a few buddies that own own places I got a lot of friends that are into it we just don't promote it the same way that a lot of people that own boxes promote promote the modality they promote it like a great way to be healthy and get in great shape and I disagree with that I disagree I think it can be a byproduct of that I think a basketball player a football player a baseball player can get in shape and can possibly be healthy because they play a sport but I don't think that that if the 80 90% of the population came to me and said Adam I'm looking to get in shape I wouldn't recommend them baseball I wouldn't recommend them soccer I wouldn't recommend them football as a way of doing that nor would I recommend crossfit so for those reasons that's our stance on it it doesn't mean that I have any ill will towards a badass crossfitter or somebody who is an athlete and loves the sport or I'm very very intrigued and fascinated with the business but it is not a we I don't think we're against it I know we're against it at all no the problem from day one was the programming that was really it and I was you know I was specifically very targeted and specific with that was using movements that should not be used in ways that they should not be used so like you know Olympic lifts and in fatigue-based circuit type of programming I think that's terrible programming that being said CrossFit and I've said this a hundred times CrossFit did what the bodybuilding muscle building and fat loss community could not do they failed they they could not you know CrossFit got squats and deadlifts and overhead presses to be cool and they got women to do these actually these highly effective muscle building exercises and they made it cool for women to build muscle and they built an incredible community better than anybody else had done before fast so fast I mean they did in 10 years what like I said what I saw in the previous the previous 10 that I saw on gyms and stuff we made we moved to the snails place all up pace all of a sudden CrossFit comes in and within a short period of time women are deadlifting squatting overhead pressing everybody talks about building muscle with all of a sudden becomes cool there's this community that the gyms lost because gyms used to have that community it used to be that way way back in the day I can remember going into a world gym or a gold gym and you'd walk in there and first off you'd have some people with a Walkman but most people didn't most people went in there it was the music that was on the loudspeakers and you'd go and lift and you knew people like wait what's up what's going on how's your squat going with a you know people would spot each other there was this code where you could ask somebody to jump in and everybody was cool about it and it was this really cool atmosphere it was also a dungeon it was also dirty it was also not friendly to women but there was this community that gyms lost and I saw them you know lose it into the point where it became their herd people in and get them out real quick model where people walk in they've got their their iPod or their phones plugged into their ears or whatever nobody's paying attention anybody people get pissed off if somebody asked to jump in I can't believe that you know I remember that that switch all of a sudden it was like that guy's you know hogging the machine I used to tell him like ask him if you could jump in and they they come back you won't let me jump in I'm like what the fuck is going on here that's gym code gyms went downhill when it came to building a community in comes CrossFit at the perfect time to rebuild that and they did a great job and I just think that you know my personal opinion it just feeds into that that problematic mentality that I shared with with most people that get into CrossFit it's super competitive and it it it just serves it up to you to you know just like focus completely on intensity being the only gauge that that we're going to operate off of and there's just more effective ways to do it and so I think that you know us having people on the show like I realize where they're coming from you know for for one so I get it like I get like like it's fun it's it's in it's it's structured around it feeds into that like I want to dominate I want to I want to kick ass today I want to fucking you know be a hero and like it feeds into that which is great but at the same time there's detriment to it and the program is one thing we highlighted we just want to see change we want to influence and see change in all these communities so it's not like us versus them it's not like us versus bodybuilding it's not like us versus you know you name it yoga whatever it is it's it's identifying things that we don't agree with and staying firm on that right and I don't have to subscribe to your ideas in that direction I can respect you and your your interest and like you have good intent you know with what you're trying to to to get with your members at your gym or whatever you're doing but like I'm challenging you to think differently that's all and the other part of it is it had and it's not it's changing okay but like anything being in fitness for 20 years I've seen fad and you know just fad come and go come and go and they all have the same feel to them I remember when crunch uh not excuse me not crunch curves I remember when curves came on the scene curves was this circuit training pneumatic equipment based fitness and they were targeting women who are intimidated by gyms I remember the explosion of it it fucking blew up it's just like we're watching with orange theory or orange theory's got that feel and so crossfit had a similar feel when it started to grow and because I'd seen so many of these things come and go um automatically I'm going to be skeptical automatically I'm like all right what's this new you know quote unquote new thing that's coming on the scene now crossfit did that it exploded but you're starting to see things settle and you're starting to see the bad stuff kind of get weeded out you know I couldn't say this 10 years ago 10 years ago I hate to say it but I'd walk into a lot of crossfit gyms and I'd see a lot of shit a lot of a lot of shit not so much today I'm starting to see now well the more focus on technique exercise you know exercise programming depending on who the coaches are but what we're finding is people at the top they understand this the cream of the crop they you know the people that you know especially in the games that you know are are kicking ass the most they understand that you know the specialization is something that you know we like it they need to to influence and change the community as a whole like everybody needs to kind of you know do things differently and you're seeing this you're seeing like you know people starting to think differently so we just want to help to foster that I just don't I don't I don't subscribe to anyone fucking modality yeah that's the thing none fuck them all you know I'm saying fuck crossfit fuck them all there why would you subscribe to one way of training it's like what the same thing I feel about diets diets people who subscribe to one way of eating or one way of training that's fucking elementary there's benefits to all of it there's been and there's drawbacks to all of it I mean I'm a guy who is a pro bodybuilder I talk shit about bodybuilding right there's so much bad stuff with it but there's some good things too and that's really what the show has always been about is exposing that it's just it's really rough for people to fucking swallow because everyone's on the fucking train right now everybody's so excited about it because everyone's talking about it and it's on its growth so yeah we look weird because we're coming out saying bad things about it but because nobody else wants to everyone wants to jump on the bed everyone wants to jump on bandwagon I forget that I am not a bandwagon they forget how much we challenge bodybuilding as well right it's like it's it's equal yes I mean come on I even think it's more it's probably more yeah you guys talk we and I think we do that because we know because I know when the other thing too is I know I mean I lived in that world in terms of my training and whatever you know that was how I focused it's to me it's so easy right I look at my career and I think like how many total lives have I touched like so how many total clients have ever came to me that I've gave advice for nutrition and working out and I asked myself okay so let's just say the around number for argument sake is a thousand but it's probably more than that thousand people I have talked to and helped in training over my entire 15 year career out of that thousand Adam what percentage of those do I feel fit in the in the fit in a category where they could be or should be in a training like a crossfitter or training at a crossfit type of facility how many of those people would I recommend to do a circuit based training training program like that and I can't say more than 10 percent I can't say more than 10 percent it's for sure for me that this is me speaking my personal experience of helping normal ass people less than 10 percent of them would I think even have the prerequisites to even be training in that type of a fashion so if I'm talking to the masses on this show knowing damn well that a majority of you have no fucking business in there and I got no problem standing behind that because I've been doing this for a really long time and that's not to say whoever's listening this right now that's offended by it maybe you're somebody who fits in that 10 percent maybe you are a fucking super athlete maybe you got incredible mechanics maybe you love the shit out of the programming and it works really well for your body and you're not doing a bunch of damage to yourself guess what that's cool you fit in that 10 percent I'm not talking to all of you I'm talking to the majority of people and a majority of the people they have not put in the work to be doing exercises like a snatch or a clean oh they just are not there how long they're not going to get there and fucking the first month of intro training for your cross for boxing you know how long it takes to learn how to do a snatch properly for the average person like a year at least like it takes a long time to learn how to do that exercise do you guys think the hype surrounding crossfit has started to it feels like it's dying dying down big time big time dying I think they've hit their they might have hit their and even all the even the guys in the top of it know that too we talk to them all the time there they know what's happening is every Jane or Joe saw that there was a way to make money opening these boxes and so they're on every corner and the cream is rising the top now the guys that are been in fitness for 10 plus years by the way okay off air agree with everything we're saying even the even the biggest crossfit fucking guys that's attached themselves to it and have 10 gyms or more agree with the same problems that we talk about right here the only difference is that's their business and they got to make money doing it so they're trying to solve that problem every day yeah we're just trying to let you know as a consumer that buyer beware what you're signing up for and that that may not be the best thing for you there's probably something in fact there's probably something out there that is better for your body and to figure that out and there is not one one way of training or one way you guys see you guys see orange theory now hitting that that same way no no orange theory is still on a rocking no I don't think they're they've crested yet but it sounds feels like they're the hundred percent they will hundred percent there's no doubt in my mind it's funny because I never heard the well when you went okay here's the deal when you understand the science okay behind something like that you get it all the bells and the whistles and the gimmicks don't close me on it being long term staying around forever it just won't because you know why somebody else will come around with something more gimmicky more cool more fun for less money that's like it but different that that's bound to happen and that it'll just be this constantly competing for something that's really not revolutionary they they have attached themselves to epoch are you kidding me yeah that science is fucking so old and dead like that we've already seen enough studies on that to prove there's not that much of a difference between so it's so but they if you attach yourself to something a science like that and you've completely built a brand around that by coloring it a certain way and putting heart rate monitors on somebody sure I think a lot of people that are gravitating are the same people that gravitate towards crossfit they love the competitive competitive atmosphere they love the energy of this one something safer they like yes they feel it's a little bit safer you they have the intimate value of it's almost like I have a personal trainer because I'm only sharing him with 15 other people so it's not quite like it's a huge group or like he doesn't see me because it's in a big gym I feel like I get to talk to Adam and he's kind of my coach but I don't have to pay for him for $150 an hour those are the people that are that are driving to these facilities but when they start to look at the percentages how many of these people are actually seeing long-term results like they actually got in the best shape of their life and they maintain that for the rest of life the maintaining part when you look at the increase in injuries on both crossfit and orange theory it's ridiculous because when you do these type of movements that your body is not ready or capable of doing and you do them repetitively and you do them in a high intensity fashion you're looking for it's a recipe for disaster so that's that's where we I'm off myself boxed out you got me all fired up we haven't talked about crossfit in a while yeah in a while next up is from Peyton Cannon any tips for shin splints rehab he works in law enforcement and serves in the military so his days off are limited to one or two days at a time shin splints are pain in the ass they probably one of the most common I used to get them a lot did you really yeah and preventing them is the way to go right I don't get them at all anymore yeah and the biggest game changer for me was ankle mobility best stretch yep ankle mobile addressing ankle mobility completely changed the game for me completely um and I did my whole life as a kid because I played basketball played soccer and I just thought this was came with the territory not hard surface yeah I remember practicing on when in Chicago when it would get cold and like the the ground got really hard oh my god it was painful you get these shin splints and run around in practice and once you get them man it's it's a monster to get rid of them what's funny about you know shin splints is because I the way we used to treat them back in the day was rest you know ice put you know tape around your calf or whatever your ankle and then you know hope it gets better and they never do shin splints are just the result of poor recruitment pattern on muscle and bounce just like most you gotta reroute chronic problems now back in the day it's like golfers elbow in your shin yeah exactly back in the day you'd go and say I have shin splints they'd be like oh maybe your shoes are just worn and we need to get you better shoes or for for reals this was like in fact if you saw some dr. Scholes dr. Scholes still exist yeah of course yeah because you know till this day in fact if you google shin splints they'll put on their you know poor bad shoes is one of the causes which is hilarious one of the easiest fixes I ever found for clients and I kind of you know stumbled upon this and after I learned the science and it makes perfect sense why it worked but people would tell me I have shin splints now I can't do lots of walking or I can't do lots of running or hiking what do I do and I just looked and said okay the pain is in the front of your shin obviously let's just strengthen your tb alice muscle and see what happens and it fucking worked so well like I don't think I had a single person who came to me because shin splints are super common I don't think I had a single person who came to me with shin splints that didn't that it didn't fix their problem just strengthening the tibialis so the tibialis muscle is on the front of the shin it's the muscle that lifts your foot and your toes so it's the opposite of your calf muscle which points your toes and what you want to do is you can stand on you can actually do this on a flat surface and just lift your feet up off the floor so you're balancing your heels drop your feet back down and just repeat that forever do it do 50 tap 50 taps I used to do like a so one of the things I would have clients do is like between squats if they had shin splints like what you're talking about aside from combat stretching and working on ankle mobility they and I throw it in their routine just normal they would do a squat or do a leg do a machine exercise whatever and then right afterwards they'd sit down and they would just do 50 taps where I make them lift their toes as high as they can with their heel on the ground 50 times oh yeah yeah they'll be on fire and then before you know it you'll start to train that and they'll strengthen it we just don't ever train that no it's just not a there's no way where do you go where do you where's the exercise focus on that actually the reason why combat stretch one of the reasons why combat stretch is so effective isn't sure part of it is that you're stretching the soleus muscle because no the main thing is you're getting connected to the tibial that's the main reason we're lifting our toes because when you do the exactly when you do the combat stretch you're supposed to stretch into it but then lift the toes up and it's that and you'll feel it you'll feel it light up the whole shin you start doing that and then I almost everybody have completely eliminated shin splints I wish somebody taught me that I know because I had him as I had that in my arsenal life would have been so much better it's it's actually no joke it's a it's an easy fix like if you have shin splints right now you take a little bit of time off and you do those tibialis exercises and combat stretch where you're connecting to your tibialis within a very short period of time I'd have clients that would do that and within a week they're like no more shins this including many more exercises for your ankle and every other joint in your body is in our prime pro so that's another this is another example of you know if you and if we were to be on these tools in your toolbox yeah that's the place to go and if you don't if you don't have the money to afford a program like that that you can utilize forever you can go to the youtube channel and you can search because within there we've already given out a ton of these different exercises and movements that will help this for sure now I'll say this with uh with pain here's a good rule of thumb if you injured yourself that's something that needs time to heal if something just hurts over a long period of time it's usually a vast majority of time it's the result of chronic dysfunction chronic muscle imbalance or recruitment pattern dysfunction so the fix isn't necessarily rest in fact if you just rest pain like all my shoulder gets sore when I work out and you don't remember actually hurting it just kind of aches and you rest it it'll feel better but it'll come right back when you go back to working out so when if you have this kind of pain identify the imbalance that's causing it identify the and all of us have it like if you even if right now you don't hurt think of the parts of your body that tend to bother you when you're working out really hard like everybody has it right oh it's my left shoulder or it's my knee or it's my you know my low back or my si joint whatever think of those areas that tend to bother you those are signals telling you that there's a recruitment pattern issue if you address those and you fix the recruitment pattern not only will you reduce or eliminate that pain where it never comes back but your performance will go through the fucking roof because what you need to understand is before that pain happens before you get shin splints before I get low back pain even if I have no pain I still have that dysfunction and that dysfunction is taken away from my performance it means that I'm not as strong as I can be which means I can't build as much muscle as I can build or burn as much fat as I can burn so indirectly but directly uh correctional exercise done properly gives you way better results even if you don't necessarily have an impending type of pain uh or injury so and one of the one of the messages I get most from people who do correctional exercise or like through the prime pro program is they'll go through it and then they'll go back through their workouts and they're like I don't realize it gets so much stronger you know I mean they don't understand that that is one of the main side effects of working on these things next question is from funky spuds that funky spuds I'm having trouble with the last four or five percent of stubborn body fat I'm trying out ketosis for fat loss and other health benefits and wondering if I should work with a calorie deficit or if just maintenance calories in ketosis is enough time to back out time to back out and do a little mini bulk and then go right back into your your deficit if you're if you're at a deficit this is a really tough question to really answer without knowing like where's your calories right now how long have you been currently dieting right now did you just start uh the ketogenic diet like there's a lot of variables here that would change my advice because you're saying go the other direction but what if this person is just now really starting yeah I'm I'm assuming when I heard this question I'm assuming it's somebody who's been who's lost like 15 pounds already been in a deficit for a little while doing cardio doing lots of press harder in the deficit and they're like okay it's the last because it make it reminds me of like I've had these clients right they're like okay the last 10 pounds I can't get off I've lost 30 it's like I go more extreme yeah I'm eating 1500 calories or whatever I'm doing all this working out and just this last 10 won't come off what do I do and your answers are either make your metabolism or boost your metabolism or cut calories even more and I always I typically will venture to boost the metabolism because keep cutting your calories and keep upping your exercise that sucks and it's hard to maintain right it really depends on where they're at though I mean if you're if you were in a place right now where you you you know and you know your body better than any of us right so if you know that you're in a low what you would consider low calorie and you're and you're and you're stuck at this body weight then absolutely I agree where Sal's going but if you've just really started dieting and you're still consuming a healthy amount of calories then by all means restrict and and that's going to be different for every person like you if I this is a female and you have your you're consuming right now 1800 plus calories we still have room that we could either either one restrict some more calories or two increase your movement I would always go rather that way so I typically you know when I normally if I'm switching the diet like going from whatever you were doing before to now doing ketogenic diet I normally tell them to stay in a in a maintenance or not a non-deficit and then just create a little bit more movement the difference between you changing the the food and you also moving a little more should result in you dropping another percentage but Sal's also 100% ride if you've been in a deficit or and trying to lose body fat for more than three four five plus weeks and you actually haven't done like a short little surplus for a couple days I would recommend that so there's a lot of variables that come in here that would change my my advice I remember the first time I I figured out that that would that I that actually worked I was trying I don't remember where I was going I think I was going to go to Italy on vacation and I wanted to get really lean so for a pretty long period of time because I used to bulk in the winter so I used to get all really heavy and then I try and die down so I had to lose something like 25 pounds of body fat every year I would do this every year so I but at this time I said I'm going to go even further and get even leaner so I went in this deficit I did this whole nutrition plan I did my workouts and I got down to a particular you know I remember how what potty fat percentage I was at but I got you know maybe nine eight percent and I look pretty good but I kept pushing to try to get leaner and it just kind of wasn't happening it took really long and then I had a weekend where I said you know what uh I've got you know a few weeks before going on this trip I'm just gonna enjoy myself and just eat a lot of calories this weekend and that's what I did I ate a shit ton of calories it turned into about five days of eating a lot of calories and then when I went back to you know how was how I was eating before I was like it blew me away that all of a sudden I got lean really fast and I remember thinking like this is crazy I just went you know on this you know five day you know my calories were higher now all of a sudden I'm eating less and like I was before and that extra body fat or whatever just came right off and really it was just boosting my metabolic rate right I mean this is why I you know this is one of the reasons why we advocate for mini cuts and mini bulks you know rather than being you know eight or 12 weeks of straight deficit you're probably better off doing this you know two weeks on one week kind of off and kind of undulating your calories in fact the studies are now showing that that mitigates the metabolic adaptation that comes from being in a calorie deficit because when your calories are low for you know certain period of time your metabolic rate will start to adapt and you'll actually start to burn less calories which is a shitty place to be in when you're already eating little calories you're doing lots of cardio and this is I think where the term stubborn comes from where you're just like what is going on why can't I get any leaner I'm already eating so little I also think to be keep things in perspective too and be very realistic about your goals and what you're trying to accomplish I have no idea where this person's body fat percentage currently is right now I'm assuming you're trying to get what if it's like I'm at 33 percent right right the last four percent won't come off right right if it's if you're really if you're lean already and you're trying to get shredded it's tough I mean each time I found myself and I kind of like I would break it up in like five percent really a quadrants like if you know 20 percent is like the worst body fat percentage I ever had and then if I get down to 15 then I get down to 10 and then I get down to five and it each five percent or so four or five percent that I would reduce body fat wise took a whole new level of commitment you know and or sacrifice so you know and and it and the reason why the last four or five is so challenging is there's less room for air when you are a 30 percent body fat and you're trying to lose five percent body fat you could still get away with the Snickers bar every once in a while you can still fuck around get pizza in your diet every now and then you could still do a lot of things in your diet and get away with it and because you you have such a high percent of body fat you still got so much total body fat to lose that you could still be losing body fat and still getting away with some you know higher calorie foods and maybe some less days in the gym where as you start to sharpen up and you get lean this is what made you know competing so fun for me you know all the way till the show date like your level of discipline is consistently increasing in fact when I would start a diet I remember I each each two weeks I would always challenge like this is a new level of commitment and sometimes that new level of commitment meant more movement more volume in my exercise sometimes that level of commitment meant sacrificing more where I would allow certain things to be in the diet that now I'm restricting from so keep that into perspective and keep that in mind as you as you think about what you're trying to do is you know be realistic with yourself that okay you're wanting to get this next level of getting shredded with that next level comes the next level of commitment dude what used to trip me out is when I get down to like the mid high to mid like seven once I got down to like seven six percent body fat a half a percent was very visible oh god yeah I would drop if I'm at 15 percent I drop a half a percent you can't tell you get down to like seven six five you drop a half percent I would wake up in them dude I'd look in the mirror and be like oh shit I got way leaner right then I'd you know underwater way or whatever absolutely half a percent it just changed a half a percent and the the reverse is true to that too so if you make one little mistake it's like you wake up the next day and you're like fuck I look like I got fat overnight like you literally feel like you whatever you just ate that you know was out of your caloric maintenance all of a sudden it just sticks to your body because you are you you gotta think if someone is at like when I get sub five percent body fat for a show I mean what's five percent of somebody who weighs 220 pounds I mean I'm less I got less than 10 pounds of total fat on my body and you want some some of it still there so there's not a lot of room for you you you add a little bit and you jump right up real quick do you remember um some of that like how your body would start to react once was there a point where you felt like oh my body does not like this right now do you remember what that number was yeah I want it was sub five sub five um I I feel like I can I can my body is very comfortable nine to like now mind you too I believe this changes because I've watched it change with myself um I I would used to be very comfortable around 11 to 13 percent and then when I got a lot leaner and started kind of getting in keeping myself sub 10 percent I got very comfortable with being nine to 11 percent body fat now seven to ten is like this really comfortable range for me where I feel like I don't need to track anything just be mindful of what I'm consuming and what I'm doing and staying to my regiment I can maintain that body fat percentage anything sub five for me is is it's it's like a sport you know to me I'm addressing I'm looking at my body fat percentage like a game like this is I actually noticed like legit psychological changes like once I got I got down to a certain point and I started dreaming about food oh yes yes fucking weird oh man my every every show the last and it used to be a funny joke that Katrina and I was would she would ask me like are you getting the food dreams yet oh so that's a legit oh that's a total I never had food I've never in my life dreams about I've never well people do some people some people do dream of Twinkies I've never had dreams of food until I lived in in that long of a call and it feels like you're having you know you have a sex dream we're god damn I'd wake up and all I want is like this big stack of pancakes or something it's just my body is and I got cold as fuck that was just as like I have them I got cold as hell I'd get really really cold my mouth would get dry like a bunch of weird shit would happen and then after because I got I don't know how I think I don't remember I didn't get I didn't test myself at the very end but I got pretty shredded for what but I remember after that I'm like cool I'm done I'm gonna go eat a bunch of food made myself sick as hell like my body could not assimilate all that food well you're what I think it is is your receptors are just it's like you flushed everything and cleaned everything because you've been in a deficit you're so you're no more body fat I feel like everything is just ready to absorb whatever you're gonna put in your mouth that was probably for me the the greatest learning experience because even though I understood the science and I and I knew nutrition going into it when I started to get to a point where I was so fucking lean that this the slightest bit of any food caffeine anything that I took I could I mean I could feel what it did to my body like significantly it really opened my eyes to like wow we become so oversaturated with so much shit that we put in our bodies that you don't even like we like when I when I eat my meal today you know as long as it's a normal meal I won't really feel it I won't like oh you feel it when oh wow I you watch your veins before your eyes start to come out yeah I you I could tell the difference between a meal that had 30 grams versus 60 grams of carbohydrates like the same carbs they could come from the same source just the amount of it would make a night and day difference to how I felt how I looked like when I started to see that I realized like whoa we really do just flood our body with shit so much and totally dull these these senses that our body at these all these senses or sensors that our body has and signals that it tries to give us to let us know you're on the right track you're not doing so well that was too much that wasn't enough numb yeah we're numb to it we're very numb to it and I didn't know that I didn't know that to that extent until I went to that level and it it's really opened my eyes uh on how everything really affects us cool check it out if you want a free workout programmed by Mind Pump just go to YouTube we have a 30 day workout all programmed out uh I don't know what day we're on tomorrow when this airs I think like day 12 or something like that day 11 but you can go all the way back watch the first day follow along with the workouts subscribe to the channel and turn 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