 Felly, rydyn ni'n gofyn, cyfnodd yn cyfnodd yn sylfaenol, gyda 28 oed, yna'r 28 oed, yna'r 20 yma, dyma'r Ymphol, yng Nghymru, ac mae'n rhai ddweud y cyfnodd. Rhaid i'n gweithio, mae'n gweithio, mae'n gweithio, ac mae'n gweithio, mae'n gweithio i fynd i ymddangos i hynny, o'r amgylchedol. Yn oed, yn fwy gŵr wedi'u gynhyrch o'n gweithio, mae'n gweithio i fynd i gerddodd, ti'r ydych chi'n cyfnod o'r ein ffieith yn gyfnodol, ac rai'n cael ei wneud hynny, yn cyd-dweud y dywedol i'r cyffredinol i'r cyfnodol yn cael ei gweithio a wneud i'r ymgyrch. Felly, rydyn ni'n rhoi yma yn ymgyrch ar hyn o'r hyn, yna yw'r hynny? Yn ni'n rhoi'n rhoi, mae'n rhoi'n rhoi, yn rhoi, mae'n rhoi'n rhoi'n rhoi, yw'n rhoi. Ynno'n rhoi, wrth gwrs. Well thank you very much. Any other colleagues on the applications? Sorry, don't apologize, I just know, it's just a, how can I have just noticed, Council William as the lead member for finance, which is called something else now, but the man with the checkbook is in the room and he's not part of this committee per se but he's here to make sure we don't spend too much. Right, any other colleagues in our recommendations? Rhaedon. Rhaedon. Okay, ddod. Rwy'n meddwl, ein bod yn fwy o'r misio. Mae'r mewn ymddiwch i'r cyd-feydd. Pwysig mor hyn yn gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl eich hoffi. Mae'n cael yma. Mae yma 1. Mae yma 2. Rwy'n meddwl eich hoffi. Rhaedon. Rwy'n meddwl i'n meddwl eich hoffi? Mae'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'r meddwl. nifer 4 yw cyfnod ychydig unig? felly mae'n gweithio'r cwysbeth yn ddechrau gan y bod yn ei gweithio'r cymhelfod yng Nghymru, ond ddau'n gweithio'n ddiogel ac yn y ddigwydd. Felly mae rhai ddau argynnu unig i gydol gyda'r unig yw ddau bod mae'r 27 yn ysgrifwydd ac mae'n gweithio'n codiolaeth ond ond i'r cwysbeth ar gyfer gwaith gwaith honno. Yn cael ei gael i'r ddweud o'r ysgolwg wrth yr ysgolwg, o'r ysgolwg o'r ysgolwg i'r ddweud i'r byd, i'r byddfa gwneud yr ysgolwg ym Mhwn Gwyrdd. Oherwydd mae'n gweld i'r byd a chyfodol, ond Emoryn og Ayno ac Ynna'r arferwyr wedi ei ddefnyddio yma. Felly, rwy'n gydag i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r byd. Rwy'n gweithio'n gwybod i'r ddweud. Thank you, chair. So, we've had ten applications this month, which will be the last ones to come up this year's budgets. As you can see from the table at the bottom of page six, there is sufficient funds left in the budget if all were to be approved today. So on to page nine, we have a George Long charity for Swayf Seaman Memorial Hall. So the memorial hall is used for a variety of events and meetings. It has capacity for up to 100 people, plus an additional 20 people in the meeting room. This was built in 2002. The hall is owned and managed by the George Long Charity, which was formed in 2008. They have said in their application that they would like new curtains and tracks because these are now 22 years old, beyond repair, and do not meet the current fire retardants' guidelines. Total costs for three pairs of curtains and tracks, including the fitting, are 876, all of which is being requested from the community chest. They're going to use a local seamstress, so obviously they won't incur any extra transportation costs. The Parish Council have already contributed to the kitchen renovation project last year and also section 106 monies were provided towards a new car park, that's Ballards, and another disabled parking bay. We have support from councillor Sue Ellington. Thank you. Thank you. So councillor Ellington has left the room because she feels she has a conflict of interest in this one, so that's fine. Your colleagues will see Sue's support for this at the end of the application, where she totally supports it. I think this is probably a very good example of what we do with the grants committee, so over to the floor. Anyone have any comments? Councillor Hanley. Yeah, I agree. I actually agree with councillor Ellington's comments. There's an occasional user of the building. I completely agree. No conflict of interest for me because I don't live in the village, but I do occasionally, of course, to use it, and I would agree they need replacing. Thank you. Anybody else? Councillor Samford. Thank you, Chair. Yeah, I would agree. This seems like a good project to support. I'm particularly happy to see they're using a local crafts person to do the work, so we're really just funding the materials, I think. Thank you very much. I think there's a safety issue here. There are garden fabrics and things, so we can't say no to this. Thank you. I'm taking it from my colleagues that this is a yes from us, so we've just done a lot of that as a unanimous thank you. Over to you Emma, thanks. On to page 10. Did you want me to wait? Sorry. Okay, so page 10. We have the Falmyr Village Hall and Recreation Ground, this can be hired out by the local community and surrounding villages. Fundraising events at NHS Blood donor sessions are just two examples of this venue is used for. Another window-related project here. We have the windows that are very high here, and the management committee would like to install remote controlled blinds to solve the issues caused by direct sunlight. Total costs are £8,298 and £2,000 has been requested from the community chest. Just to note that the Village Hall pay a peppercorn rent to the parish council, and the parish council have already provided the new children's play equipment, and more recently the adult gym equipment at the Rec. The remaining shortfall will be covered by the Falmyr Village Hall Management Committee, and we have support from Councillor James Hobo. Thank you Emma. Colleagues, comments? Councillor Hanley. I just asked the parish council support to be confirmed, and has the parish council supported previously to be confirmed, or would you just give us clarity on that, Emma? If I recall, we've had a couple of applications in the past few years in relation to the Falmyr Sports and Social, this particular building, and the parish council has always contributed, whether there were some improvements to car parks, drainage, and stuff if I recall in toilets. So they're doing a piecemeal upgrade, I think, in the sense that right. Colleagues, Peter? At first I was skeptical about remote controlled, but if they're doing blood donations, I think this is appropriate. Thank you. I assume the windows are sort of top of the wall height, they need to be remote controlled. Emma's nodding, so you have to explain the extra costs for the remote control, which is fine. Okay, I'm assuming then that there was no negative comments that were in agreement. That's a yes from us. Thank you very much. Thank you. The next one is Linton Community Quilt. They were formed in 2021 to create a series of wall hangings depicting iconic places and life in the village. These hangings will be displayed in public spaces in the village ready for the Linton and Bloom next spring. The Crafty Cafe is an offshoot of this organisation, and it began during lockdown, COVID lockdowns, to provide crafting activities once a month to those who are socially isolated. Sessions still continue and last two hours each month in the Chalklands Community Hall. Activities provided are wide and varied, such as sewing, crochet, card making and quilting, trips out to organised and a Christmas event is put on. Transport is also provided where needed. They are looking for £593.98 for crafting materials, all of which has been requested from the community chest. You can see a picture of some of the examples there. The Parish Council will fund any shortfalls plus the £60 needed for the rent of the Linton Village Hall once a year for three hours. The use of the Chalklands Community Hall, where most of their activities take place, for ten months equates to about £100, but they've said that many of the attendees actually live in the Chalklands, and they are naturally entitled to use this hall for free, so they're going to make some inquiries to see whether this £100 could actually be wavered going forward. Donated craft materials are also accepted, so obviously it's one of their greens of considerations, and we have support from Councillor Henry and John Bachelor. Thank you. Thank you Emma. This is A, nothing to do with windows, but I think it's an excellent application, very detailed. Any comments from my colleagues? It's one of the good things to come out of Covid is that people found crafts again, and it's such a lovely project and I think it's worthwhile supporting it. Thank you. As many may know, I'm an avid quilter, as is my daughter, and have enormous numbers of quilts that are half done. Some of them are getting finished, but materials are often something that gets left by people when they die, if you see what I mean, and I seem to have got a name for going around and collecting them, so if anybody is ever short of any material, I have a very large stock, and I support this entirely. I am biting my lip to say the obvious, so hang on, don't go just yet, I'll always be around. Councillor Samford. Thank you Chair. Just a little bit concerned, they submitted this application without closing the circle with a community hall. If they'd come and said, we've got free use of the building or we need an extra £100, that's fine, but it's sort of left it in midair here, that I'm sure we'd look favourably on the extra £100 if they did need to pay for the use of the building, but it almost feels incomplete at the moment with that paragraph in there. Okay, that's a really good point. I'll come to Councillor Hanley, she's just looking at John Williams just to see if he can have a comment on that after Bill's at his bit. Bill, you want to say your... Well, bearing in mind what Councillor Aynton said just now, we don't want her knocking on you at our door, do we? No, seriously, to me it does look... I'll understand what Councillor Samford said, but it does look like an excellent application, and I'm just delighted that we've got a good art-based project that we can fund. Emma, you want to... Just to say that in their original application they actually did apply for some of the hall hire costs because that's actually a revenue cost, not funded through what's not included in our criteria. I went back to them and said, or Jane went back to them and said, you know, could we just have it for the craft materials, which is what this is, just the materials. Just to make that in mind. Okay, that's a misunderstanding, and I probably don't need to come to your good self, but I will anyway, John. Thank you, Chair. Now, I was just going to make a point that obviously if they can't get to the hall, then it won't go ahead and we won't pay them the money, so I don't think there's a problem here with this. And it does fit very well with our well-being policies. Thank you. Emma, over to you. Thank you. So the next one on page 13 is Carlton Parish Council. This is a parish council with less than 200 electors, so they're eligible to apply. They would like to install two benches so people can enjoy the views across the countryside and have a rest. One is by the Millennium Path in the main village and the other by the Byroad at Willingham Green. Both sites are privately owned, but the landowners have given their permission, which is great. And a plaque commemorating the coronation of King Charles III will be put on each bench. Total costs are £681.90, all of which has been requested from the community chest, and that's for the benches, plaques, gravel and delivery. We have support from Councillor Jeff Harvey. Thank you. Comments, colleagues? I just think this is lovely. I don't see any reason why you do not agree to it. Agri else? Councillor Edenton? I'm very happy to support it. They're a small village, and that's what we should be helping. They don't have a preset they can call on. What's the easiest larger village? Councillor Hanley and then Samford. I had no idea there were two Willinghams. When I saw it, I thought, I'm going to have to declare an interest, then I'll realise where it was. I support this absolutely. Me too. It seems absolutely nice enhancement to put a couple of benches on the walking paths and let people rest in my other view. Yes, from me. Thank you very much. Again, no need to raise your hands. Thanks. Page 14, we have Barhill Community Association. They support individuals and events within the village and the surrounding area. This includes the provision of facilities for recreation. The charity would like to offer an after-school club at Barhill County Primary School. This is based on the first LEGO League. This will involve STEM coaching years five and six to learn a programme to learn to programme at LEGO robots to carry out various challenges on a LEGO League play mat. The children would also be able to create their own T-shirt design and keep the T-shirts at the end as well. The project will initially run for one term for around 10 children, but it's hoped that it can continue so that the children can take place in the finals event. Obviously, they would like to expand to other schools as well if it's a success. Total project costs are £1,806.74, all of which is being requested from the community chest and there's a breakdown of all the various items there. The school have not been approached for funding as this is intended to introduce them to the project. But going forward, the intention is that they will be able to fund this themselves. The parish council haven't been approached on this occasion. Again, it's the intention that the charity will seek funding for other community projects in the future as well from them. We have support from councillor Bunty Waters. Thank you. Thank you, Emma. Councillor Williams. Thank you, Chair. Before you discuss this, can I ask some clear from the report, Emma, is this just open to those children who attend Barhill Community Primary School? I'm not sure, Jen. I think it might because it's only limited to 10, so I assume that it probably would be because it's at their primary school, but they did say that they wanted to expand. So it looks like it probably is, yes. Okay, in that situation, I'm not inclined to support this. I think if it was open to all primary school children living in Barhill, then obviously, it is a separate issue from the school. It's a community facility open to all. But it reads to me, this is an after-school club run by the school, and the school is getting equipment from us to run this and to enable it to enter into some Lego competition. So it doesn't quite fit our criteria. That's my view. Unless I have evidence to show that this will be open to all children of that age who live in Barhill, then I'm inclined not to agree to it, unless you can persuade me otherwise. The question I was going to ask you, Jen, was if that was, for argument's sake, if we amongst us have a quick chat, and then our general agreement would be to defer perhaps till next month if we can do that, and ask officers to go back to the applicant and say, can this be open to all children in Barhill? If the answer is no, then I think perhaps the decision, then we can make office a decision to say that would be a refusal. But if it was a yes, would you be happy with that then for the officers then to grant this on that basis? Yeah, I would be happy if it was open to all children of years five and six in Barhill, wherever they went to the local primary school or not. That's fabulous. I'll throw it to the floor. Councillor Hanraig, then Councillor Panley, then Samford, then Hanraig. Councillor Williams makes a good point, and your solution seems good for me. The only thing I would say is does that make a very complicated issue for the financial year end, if we defer. That's the only thing, but I suspect it's something that we can get around quite legitimately. The statement that concerns me under green options is the equipment will become the property of the school, which tends to suggest we're funding the school by the back door. If the equipment is ring-fenced and maintained by the community association, that's great, but not if it's going to the school, so maybe defer to get some clarity and maybe some alterations to what they've proposed. Yes, I don't really agree with what's been said or I have nothing to add. I understand the issues that have been raised. I would just point out that the applicant is a volunteer and doesn't appear to have any connection with the school as such. Further through it, I think the person who's going to lead it has got to go on a course. Again, may not be one of the teachers, but I do agree that we shouldn't be funding the school by the back door, really. It does need to stay as part of a community project. OK, so I'm going to be looking at Councillor Williams on this one. So I think we've got the Oscar, Anna and Cole to go back to the applicant and say will this be open to all children in years five and six for the whole of Barh Hill and also the point made by Councillor Sanford with regard to the school essentially owning equipment after them. And it's one term, I know, so there are three school terms at least a while since I've been to school, but I think there are three terms. So what happens for the other two terms and who pays for the other two terms if this is a roaring success and I suspect it will be given as Lego and doing some pieces of roadblocks. So we need to be able to find out how they're going to fund the rest of it. But again, who gets to keep the equipment and what we'll have with them and essentially we'll be paying our public funds which could be paid from the education department which we then can't tweak. Yeah, thank you, Chair. I mean, it could be suggested to them that once, you know, if this is just a one-off thing to enter for this competition which suggests it is, there's a Lego competition for schools, it would suggest it probably doesn't meet our criteria anyway, but if it did then they said it would be open to everyone and the team would come from Barhill, not just from that primary school. Perhaps they could then donate that equipment to the local play group or to some other organisation in Barhill to benefit the community rather than give it to the school. Yeah, I think maybe that would be a good approach. Obviously, play groups I think it's a bit more advanced for pre-schoolers and also I think that they are retaining one piece. It does say in the application that they will be keeping the club organisable and actually use it to train others up as well. So he has got one piece that he retains but I'll take those points back. Thank you. I think we've got a bit of a deferral situation here. I'm minded actually, John, rather than defer it there's several aspects perhaps that we've identified through discussion and your valued input that rather than defer it should we bring this back with the answers back to the next committee. Would you mind doing that, Emma? Bring it back rather than... It's not that we don't trust your decision-making it's actually there are too many little variables here but I think we've all had it at two penethwys and I think it would be wise and obviously to make sure that John's happy with that as well at the end of it. All the points we've made see what the answers come back from the applicant and then could we bring it back for the next... Please, do you feel it's for the next meeting? Thank you. Right, and I'll leave you to come on with the next one. Thanks. Thank you. So page 16, we have Camborn Church. They're a community church that began welcoming new residents... Sorry, the community began welcoming new residents in 2000 and the church has 93 members. Volunteers from the church have recently set up the Harbour Bereavement Cafe and that's to offer people of all faiths and those that have no faith who have been bereaved and this is a place to meet and to connect with others who are also on the journey of bereavement. The Free to Attend Cafe will open at least once a month to adults from the local community and also beyond and it will operate as informal drop-in sessions. Funding of £425 has been requested for the training for five volunteers. Camborn Chrya and the Camborn Church have provided £150 and £366 in funding respectively and this will be for other project costs that you can see broken down there as well. We have support from three of the Camborn Councillors. I'd just like to highlight that we do have two applications from Camborn Church and Councillor Stephen Drew's support there that I've put in. That's actually for the second one but he has actually confirmed his support. We do have a separate email from that if you see it duplicated. One talking about the Silver Jubilee Garden that's for the second application. Thank you. Colleagues. Councillor March. I think this is a very necessary thing and I'm glad to see that it says here they've been supported by the social prescriber team in the GP practice. There's also training that they're going to undertake and I think this is a very valuable way of spending the money. I'm still trying to work out why it's called the harbour but I didn't know we were on the river. That comes in global war winds. 150 years will be Camborn by sea. I think it looks like a good project but there's something in me that makes me a little concerned about it in that it looks as if it might be very religiously based and maybe is it just me and the way I see things or is it a feeling that people might be coerced into, no, that's not the right word, might be persuaded to follow a particular religion as part of this. Sorry, just a feeling I get. Don't apologise, this is Freddie Bay. Councillor March. I think the fact that there is some sort of GP support and the fact that they're going to undertake training that is not religiously based. It is just that they're a church who are trying to help people. I don't think there will be any preaching involved and personally I think it's just because they're a church people shouldn't hesitate to use this service but that's my personal view but I don't think that they're trying to convert. People I think have come up with this idea and I think it's a good one. Thank you, Councillor Samford. Thank you. Just to follow up on Councillor Hanraj's comments there are actually five churches involved so they are all Christian churches admittedly and there are big groups of other denominations in Camborn which I would like to have seen involved also but I'm also questioning some of their costings, meeting refreshments £1.95. Is that one small jar of instant coffee? I'm not quite sure where that came from. I would prefer to see a wider umbrella of different religions encompassed in this. I've got real concerns about this. It's not a huge amount of money but surely the church is there to provide bereavement counselling is one of the things it does for its congregation. That's part of their remit so I'm not convinced. I also like the idea that it's all just Christian churches that are a part of it. I know that we've got Shobona, but Sharia supports it as a board counsellor. We know that she's a member of the Hindu faith but I can't see anything other than I keep seeing shared churches eily staring me in the face and it just makes me feeling quite uncomfortable. Cancel Rosh. We're focusing on the word church but is there any temples or mosques or something that has come up with this idea? Somebody has come up with this idea. I think it's a valuable one. If people don't want to work it, just don't go. Cancel Williams. Thank you, chair. What made me come to mind when I read this was is there a multi-faith group in Campbell? Because I don't want to add to Emma's work mode but maybe if we approached the multi-faith group and asked are they happy with this being available? Is this going to be available for everyone and will it be used by other faiths other than Christian? If it is, then fine. I don't have an issue with it. If it is purely a diocese of eily project then clearly it doesn't be a criteria because it is exclusive. But I think we need a bit more information. In principle I don't have a problem with this. I think it's a really good idea. Again it fits in with our well-being policies but I just need to make sure that it's going to be open to everyone. They say it's open to all faiths and none but I just want to check that that is the situation. It's not just a Friday, once a month Friday afternoon club for Christians. I wondered to do that perhaps if there is a multi-faith group in organisation in Campbell they could give us that reassurance. Can I just say that I've actually visited this church before and it is very welcoming and we know that a food bank runs from there as well so it's quite open, it's very open and welcoming to a lot of people. I didn't get any inkling the warm hub as well. Quite a lot of community events take place there and it's obviously a good central venue as well. Thank you Emma. Thank you. I just wasn't quite sure whether we're on the same page with Stephen Drew who says he wants to do the application for the Silver Jubilee Gardening Gamble. That was the one I've mentioned already that it was the duplicate because you've got two applications from Campbell. I've mentioned that. I think Councillor Drew had his special pen out. He submitted it. Right, as a confirmed atheist with you Councillor Hamaraja I have no problem with this at all. I think I actually listen to what Emma and Jane just said as well. They're already doing a load of work in the community anyway helping out everybody in English. I think we should go to the vote because we have differences of opinion which is fair enough. I think we'll go to the vote and if you could just do a raise of hands. The raise of hands will be to support the application and then it will be a raise of hands for you. You don't support it or if you abstain. Do you want to say something Bill? If I raised my hand for a second it wouldn't be to object or refuse. It would be basically asking for the information that Councillor Williams has just asked for. Clarification on is there a multi-faith aspect to this? At the moment it just sits uncomfortably with me. I'm not against it in principle but I just need reassurance that it is truly available to everyone in a non-religious way. That's what I want assurance. Ironically as an atheist when you look at the names of the churches listed they are poles apart in their teachings as well. They really are. That's just within the Christian community. Everyone has a different view on what happened or didn't happen as a case may be. I'll take your point but I think just to go back to say it's a multi-faith group that could rather make the application. I'll go to John Williams. Thank you Chair. To save the situation I will in my role as a member of the council agree to this application. I hear what you've all said, taking it on board but I will approve this application. It's important to have a vote. Councillor Rajan. What could come out of this is that other religions might recognise the need for this if they're successful and do it themselves. It's not going to be a religion that's going to be the issue but when you need something like this it doesn't seem to matter who helps you. Or better still if there are any other religions they can come and join in because all of these religions all religions in this country actually prefer to work with other religions or anything to do with the community so that's what can be crafted. John has made his case very clear. On with John, so leaders with John that just leaves usury guys to say which way you want to go but it doesn't really matter because he's siding it off anyway. I can't see the point you voted. We'll go with you John, that'd be fine, thanks. Next one please Emma. OK, thank you. The next one is the first of our cost of living applications. Page 18. So we have hope against poverty which I'm sure you're aware of the great work that they do set up in 2020 and provide support services to South Cambridgeshire residents to be free from poverty. Over a thousand registered members received their services on a regular basis. They work closely with us, the council, the town council and well-known referers such as Citizens Advice. They have a mobile food van that covers six and soon to be seven south Cambridgeshire villages. Free food and other essentials are given to any residents in regard to their situation but their small van is run on diesel and they've also just received £15,000 in zero carbon communities funding that was last year and £17,000 from Aviva to go towards the purchase of a larger electric transit van to help produce carbon emissions. They've had a successful crowdfunding campaign that they've exceeded. They're sort of total and they're now in a position to make that purchase of the vehicle but to convert the van into a mobile community shop they need shelves, flooring, lighting, counters and steps and total estimated cost for these modifications and £160 and £2,000 has been requested from the community chest so you can see the breakdown there. There's lots of detail in this application and we have support from all three camp-born councillors. Thank you. Thank you Emma. Whilst this is so sad in our day and age that this is the sort of thing that needs to be done or be provided this is an absolutely excellent we had the director, amazing director of the camp-born project I can't remember the guy's name but it was, pardon? Mahish, I see it. He presented to the committee a fabulous project, absolutely fabulous so I think this is great. I'm going to go to Councillor Williams. Thank you chair. I will support this however I am a bit annoyed with hope CIC a few months back all my parishes and I assume every parish in the district got a begging letter from them asking if parishes would support the purchase of a new band and I thought hold on a moment, I thought we'd given them some money to do that so I asked Chris Richards to look into this and it transpired that we had given them 15,000 towards a new band and that obviously that wasn't going to cover the cost of a new electric band but that was on the understanding that they were going to sell their existing diesel band so it didn't work running a diesel band they were going to run an electric band now they got this extra money from Arriva, 17,000 for them and they've also crowdfunded so they've got enough money to buy a new electric band and they're not intending to dispose of their diesel band now my view is that that was part of the condition of us giving them the 15,000 towards purchasing an electric vehicle i.e. that the diesel vehicle was then disposed of so I'm a little bit annoyed with them I'm particularly annoyed with the letter they said because they made no reference in that letter to the fact that we had funded this and it gave the impression that unless people gave them money then they were going to have to stop they were going to have to stop the food hub which is totally wrong it was misleading extremely misleading so they have really annoyed me so although I agreed that yes we should give them money to fit this van out I think it should be on a condition that they have disposed of their diesel vehicle because that was what was originally intended for what they came to us for originally that's why it was funded out the Zero Carbon Community Fund because it was going to take a diesel vehicle off the road and the fact that they're no longer prepared, they're no longer doing that they're funding this for a new vehicle and they're not disposing of the diesel vehicle I think goes against if not the letter the spirit of the original 15000 we gave them particularly as they haven't even acknowledged that when they sent their begging letter to parish councils so they really upset me actually on this so yes let's fit it out but I want to see the diesel van disposed of Cantang Raj I have two things to say they come to Orchid Park and lay out their goods on a portable table so I'm not sure why they need to convert this into a mobile shop because they already have the means they have they're visible when they do that the other thing I have to ask about Orchid Park is how well used this is because whether it's true or not I have heard it that there's disposing of unsold food in a bin Breadhand Project supports Orchid Park very well so I don't know how well used this service is in Orchid Park Thank you Councillor Hanley I take what Councillor Hans Raj says but I think this is a slightly off topic for this, there's an issue in Orchid Park that's we need to sort the issue in Orchid Park I'm inclined to agree with Councillor Williams I wasn't aware of that John but I think we need to get that diesel vehicle off the road that's the point so I agree completely Councillor Southford I'm in agreement with the other two if the electric van is a replacement for the diesel the diesel should be disposed of the profits from the sale should go towards funding more food so I'm in agreement with Councillor Williams Councillor Hampton I fully support what John has said it seems that they're trying to get money in whatever way possible and that isn't we have a duty to spend our money in a targeted way it's a shame actually I go back to what I said earlier when we had the presentation it was an excellent idea isn't an excellent idea perhaps some guidance could be offered as to how to raise funds and how to be honest about how you raise those funds and how you acknowledge those who have already supported et cetera et cetera et cetera I'm not suggesting that Emma write a long letter of whatever but actually there may be some inference in the questions that we might ask this particular applicant about how they're going to dispose of and when the diesel van and I wonder actually if there's anything in the zero carbon grants criteria just trying to think back but is there anything in there that says that if we have funded you for electric van to do away with your diesel van and then you don't are you in contravention of that that grant so it's part of me that says one has to play ball if one is getting a serious amount of money you can't just black it I was particularly annoyed that they didn't acknowledge us in their begging letter to the parish council because it was almost like nobody else is funding us and if we don't get this money then we're going to have to stop providing the food van and that's not true they have had money from us money from other people as well so there was no intent there was no way the food the food service was going to stop a mobile food service was going to stop it just annoyed me the way that they had approached from parishes and in the situation I have in my ward where it's a split ward that was made off by my conservative opponent so as I say I want to see the van the diesel van disposed of that was what they asked us to fund they wanted to get rid of their diesel van replace it with an electric van that's what they should stick to and if they're not doing that then I don't think we should support them because they have a means of paying for this by disposing of their diesel van would defer this there is a strength of feeling in the room which is not one of approval so rather than knocking it back completely I think defer it and say would you mind Emma and Jane writing to the applicant and asking what is their time frame for the disposal of the diesel van from service for this project and I'm wondering I'm looking at my colleagues wondering whether or not in that letter any reference to acknowledgement of all funders so if you write a letter to somebody asking for funds A has to be factually correct, B it would be prudent to say because everybody has a parish council has a grant funding process all say have you been funded by anybody else and so therefore you should just give them that polite reference at the start to say well actually South camps have done this Campbell and Paris council have done that this council has done that and a river have done this for us and we are where we are but we still need X to make this run and we welcome your support not we will shut it it will have to go if you don't give us anything that's nothing that is particularly impolite so if colleagues are in agreement with that and lead member in agreement with that letter goes to the applicant with those points especially the diesel ban and would it be possible for officers to have a quick look at the criteria for the zero carbon if there are any red flags that throw up in that we provided funding for something that we were under the impression was going to be got rid of and now hasn't I think the letter can go back and say that 15 grand we gave you can we have it back or lose the van more polite than that but along those lines if you're happy with that John that's where I'll go visit you there yeah yeah I'm happy I was going to say I'm quite happy if they have a van new van and it needs to be fitted out fine but what I'm not happy about is they're not keeping to their side of the agreement for the original grant to get the electric back okay thank you we'll just hang on for a couple of seconds and while you disappear for a second we'll come back talk amongst ourselves just remind colleagues we are still alive welcome back thank you very much thank you so we have page 21 reach community projects established in 2005 2005 as a debt charity they aim to relieve and prevent poverty while tackling the causes within south cambercher seven parishes are currently supported requests and referrals for help in south cambercher have continued to rise 75 people have been helped over the last four months compared to 49 in the same period last year and they would like to broaden their audience and also develop targeted outreach campaigns total project costs are £31,950 to £2,000 has been requested from the community chest this is for staffing and running costs they receive funding from other organisations as well they will still need to raise some additional funds they've acknowledged this on their budget sheet provided with they've also received £5,000 per annum from our service support grant that you'll be aware of and they've mentioned the green options obviously food bank cardboard boxes are reused and we have support from both Councillor John and Henry Batchelor thank you thank you Emma colleagues it strikes me that what they're doing is actually quite similar to some of the stuff that we're doing as a district councillor I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all but it does appear to be at least complementary I think I can I'm sure I can support this it's sad that this kind of work is needed but that's the fact of life these days I noticed on page 21 after the general who's who perception it's got established in 2005 as a debt charity reach that paragraph now and it's got one to four and it's debt counselling, budgeted and money management that's fine and it's got financial assistance with basic costs such as emergency gas and electric provision so are we just giving money to a system that basically gives money out again so to speak where there are agencies that do that as you say, something that work some of your feelings my feelings are better than I did actually that's what I was trying to say is that what they are doing is very similar to what we are doing so are we handing money to an organisation to hand it out again where we could do it ourselves that's my point councillor Lenton in other words are we propping up a charity to do what we do ourselves and is that good use of resources or could we do it more economically ourselves particularly since some of the money that's going is going to salaries I'm not you know there's an awful lot of charities out there that are looking for money but I'm not sure that this sort of grant the community grant is appropriate for it so I'm a little worried about it just a bit I'll come to you in a second mode Pete just there the one to four is quite illuminating so number one is debt counselling budgetary and money management support that's fine so there's an educational side of it the financial assistance in number two with basic costs such as emergency gas and electric provision is a concern that we raised number three preventative money management lessons in local schools I don't know what the preventative money management preventative money management lessons in local schools sorry and emergency food supplies to individuals and families in crisis well you've got hopefully they're going to deal with some issues but and there are other bits and pieces we deal with food banks and stuff so thank you the the one thing I don't think we do but I was going to raise is the money management lessons in local schools again that we're funding a gap in the education system it seems worthwhile to teach school kids how to handle money but could this not be part of one of the regular curriculum and we have a couple of these I mean officers can perhaps remind us of the different groups that we support generally through the year with finance that they aren't whole SCDC units they just do that periphery some might come from east camps and do like a little tip because it's just having to a little and great having to balsham, Horfeece and Wiccan, Linton and Castle Champs so that's that one that looks side of SCDC and then you've got the rest of SCDC which is not dealt with by them you would appear when they say they like to expand into other parishes but there's about another 100 parishes you can take in south camps they're not in at the moment where others do do a much wider job I'm kind of talking myself out this little bit so I'm looking at the lead member for finance for some guidance for the committee for me Thank you chair Yes a lot of this is stuff that we do in our organisations do but obviously they are finding a need if there wasn't if we were doing it perfectly then these people wouldn't need to be there but clearly they are reaching people that we're not reaching hence their name but I mean they are at the moment supporting what we're doing by the very fact that we're not able and don't have the resource to serve everybody to identify everybody and they're helping those that we're not identifying and not supporting so I'm inclined to support them to honestly say £2,000 and I think at the moment until we've improved our resources to ensure that we are able to identify and reach everyone that is that requires support then they are fulfilling a valuable plug to people that we are currently missing because if we weren't missing them then they wouldn't have clients and they wouldn't be asking this for money so my view is to support them but hopefully over the next couple of years with the work that we're doing with artificial intelligence in identifying people that aren't that are entitled to benefits but aren't claiming those benefits until we're in that situation where we know that we are reaching everyone I feel that we must rely on the support others to help us and this is one way it's a very small area of South Cams it's a part of South Cams actually that's often forgotten it's right down on the southeast tip of South Cams I suspect that a lot of people don't even realise that those parishes are in South Cams apart from Linton they're all out towards Suffolk all next to West Suffolk much nearer to Haverhill than they are to Cambridge and they do get missed and that's not deliberate it's just that we don't have the resources to do it so if these people are coming in and helping us then until we are able to do that ourselves and there isn't a need and these people find that they actually don't have clients because we're finding them and supporting them then I think it's a small amount of money to plug a hole in the district that's my view so I would be I hear what you're saying but it hasn't convinced me yet that we shouldn't support these people I totally agree with what Councillor Williams is saying because I think there's also this thing about people being reluctant to approach the council it's possibly sounds too official to them and they just struggle on without knowing exactly what these people are offering is to help them thank you I always think the art of discussion is to have someone change your mind my mind is obviously changed I think John's points are really valid as he goes actually and I hadn't thought in that context so you need to know when you're wrong I was wrong that's that so am I looking around the room my colleagues and thinking obviously we agree with the League of Finance that we support this John's going to convince me certainly lovely, I think we're unanimous I said at the beginning that I didn't have a real problem with this I just had some nagging doubts which John was kind of superb thank you leading on to page 22 we have Melbourne Fates Committee the first fate was held in 1986 but for 2024 and as a response to the cost of living crisis the committee are staging a free to enter fate on June 15 with free or low cost attractions families it will also provide opportunities for local clubs, societies and charities to set up stalls and raise money and also attract new members and provide entertainment to help with their fundraising for example Homestart funds that are raised are distributed to local good causes that benefit the local community for example Melbourne Action Community Support for their food bank as well Expected expenditure is £5,760 and £2,000 has been requested from the community chest you can see that includes attractions, publicity and raffle competitions etc and it's hoped that about £2,000 will be raised from local businesses and that a grant from the parish council will match any grant provided by the community chest if that is funded obviously money will also be raised from approximately 40 stall holders food vendors and the raffle donations totaling £1,150 have been received from four organisations there and we have support from two councillors councillor Joes Hales and Salianne Hart thank you thank you very much you've seen my piece that's fine I will be going to the fate I don't think that requires a declaration of interest because it is rather good I think probably what I'll do is I'm going to since this is in my patch thoroughly and I I'll hand over to Sue and stick around but I'll let you take it any comments from anybody yes please what a lovely thing this is steam engine right I fully support this I think I can support this provided we see the pictures of councillor Hales after he's had his face painted but yeah absolutely wonderful community event so good to support anything from you Bill happy to support on the condition that we don't have a photograph of Joes Hales we have conflict in I want to see him with a red Indian feathers around his head as well and I support it particularly because there's obviously a lot of support from local businesses as well and this just puts that bit of extra input into it and I'm sure there'll be a south camps store at your fate to forward some of our services so are we all in agreement oh Joes do you want to say something the says here about the parish councillor I understand that the parish councillor has just opened its grant process just very weak on Monday so I suspect that they will be successful as well in that process so they are getting support from everywhere thank you and by the way I was doing well when Bill declined to see the photograph that Sue has now reopened it this is a worrying trend anything from you John no I'm fine with it so are we all in agreement so that's agreed thank you I'll pass back to Joes over to you Emma Camborn Church please this is our last application it's a biodiversity application from Camborn Church this time for a silver jubilee garden to celebrate 25 years since the first residents moved to Camborn and also to celebrate the formation of the church so this will be a high quality accessible and durable wildlife and produce garden and also it will be for the church and the community to enjoy it will be open to the public on all sides with the Camborn Food Bank benefiting from the harvested produce the wildlife areas will be managed in accordance with the Wildlife Trust Cambridge Churchyard Conservation Scheme you can see the picture there obviously from the side of the church funding has been requested from the community chest for rainwater harvesting from the part of the church roof it's quite a big roof you can see so I should imagine they would probably harvest quite a bit there they would like these three black IBC tanks and also the installation costs they initially came to us with the quotes but they've now got a firm quote from the supplier initially they said the installation cost would be around £300 but since this report was published a firm quote has been received for a bit more which is £1047 which includes a skip two and a half days labour premix concrete positioning and connecting the tanks to each other and the downpipe this means the total amount requested is now £1,947 not £1,200 so just be aware of that and we have support from all three campground councillors thank you thanks Emma okay on page 25 potential features do we have any more information Emma on interpretation and education information interpretation of what prayer prompts artwork is fine in QR codes what are QR codes for the memorial part of remembrance isn't a problem either for those other two what we discussed this for one of our previous where the church is very heavily involved and that's fine if this is going to be a faith driven process then it doesn't necessarily fit with the criteria per se the rest of it is fine by looks but it's just some of the language used is heading down the road of concern so if you have any extra information on that being handy I can find that out, I don't know exactly what will be on these interpretation boards and also the prayer prompts but it says it includes artwork as well so it would be good to see some examples of what they mean I think that would be helpful actually so I'm minded to ask colleagues to think about deferals so we can get this information I'd like to know what the interpretation the word interpretation means and or what and the artwork is fine the QR codes what do they appartain to and the prayer prompts is this a faith golden or is this a golden anyone can come to of any I suppose if you argue any denomination of any faith will have a prayer so that's fine I suppose if you want just need to be a clarification I think just to make things a bit happier any other quote clarification perhaps a rough design what they're intending is it's pretty vague at the moment memorial area for a member's events could cover almost anything so yeah a little more detail please if I was cynical I'd suggest that this was a Christian club asking us to donate money to its garden sorry that's but I'm not a cynic of course but it's it does again gives me cause for concern I'm not at all convinced before I come to you it is actually exactly the same group with 93 members as the previous one and it's the same group of churches doing their thing which is fine if they're doing all their bits and pieces they said before of the food bank I'll have them all the rest of it but I think we know this isn't going to be a warm hybrid outside so councillor Henry Raj I'm not comfortable with this one there's too much of the church involved there was absolutely no need for prayer prompts and such like I totally do not I support the biodiversity side but that is church land is it I'm not comfortable with this for the reason that I think there's too much emphasis on a particular religion yes I wish they'd left the middle section of this application out all together because what they're actually asking for is funding for the harvesting they're not actually asking for anything else and if they'd left all that other information out we'd probably all be saying yeah that's a great idea but we've suddenly moved to it being a garden where we're not feeling as comfortable and I just wonder whether we can take that bit out of the application and just work on the idea of rain water harvesting that's Williams yes thank you chair I mean what I would like to have seen is a plan of actually what they want to do because they seem to you know if you're if they're asking for this rain water harvesting group they must know where they're going to put that and what it's going to serve but it doesn't seem to go into any great detail now it's not clear whether it's a garden or a vegetable patch at one point it's a garden another point it's going to be a vegetable patch to support the food hub also Councillor Helen Leaming seems to know far more about this than anybody else and talks about it's going to be co-ordinated with a town social prescribers what's that you know NHS so obviously they have plans they must have some detailed plans as to what they want to do I would be happier for them to share those plans with us so that we can see how our donation fits in with what they intend to do whereas at the moment I read this and I wasn't sure as to what this purpose of this was other than to try and fit it in with the criteria for the community fund so I would be happy to defer this and get more details from them because actually where we've given money I'm thinking of is it Melbourne where we supported a community area Melbourne Meldriff and we're happy to do that because we were given a plan and we knew exactly what they were going to spend the money on and how it fitted in with the whole thing this it's not clear exactly how buying this rainwater harvested equipment is going to fit with this it feels like the group of 93 members have got a list of projects which we've been saying to people for years and years please have lots of projects so that if you qualify under the criteria make an application it seems like they've done a very good job but they've just rewrote a couple of things and shoved in another application so I'm thinking very much defer as John has suggested but we need a lot of answers please and if this is just something we're paying for for the renovation of the churchyard or something like that well dream on so plans locations of water butts 1000 litres of water butts they're quite chunky you know so are these going to be away from if it's near a church or whatever or if it's coming off the church so you don't want those things now to decide the church look horrible so it will detract from the building so that would be like a proper set of whatever and that may or may not come back to the next one you may have to go into next year if they can't satisfy you and John in your discussions outside of this meeting I think Emma needs to come back to this meeting when you've got more detailed plans so exactly what they want to do okay thank you and that was the last one wasn't it well just like to say on behalf of the committee to officers thank you very much indeed for your detailed and superb presentation as always to the democratic services team thank you very much and to lead member for finance and obviously the thousands of people that watch this meeting online without you out there we couldn't do what we do in here and on that note I bid you farewell until a date in April that Lawrence may or may not get right thank you very much and that's the meeting closed thanks