 What's up everybody, I'm the man goose you are awesome and today I'm going to sit down and talk to you sock up and jacka about if strange matter and ometta studios should merge fault and Predecessor I chose soccer jacka because sock is just someone I talked to about this kind of stuff quite a bit and jack I just knows more about all of these pair of zombies than anyone We also talked about the morality of selling epic created skins, but that will be in a different video All right So cap and jack are joining me here for this little conversation Once you guys go ahead and introduce yourself tell us a little bit about yourselves sock up. Go ahead Been on the show what like twice your show for the millions. Yeah, that's probably like pretty much like the height of my accomplishments in life That's about it for me so Other than that man just plain league unfortunately waiting for Predecessor and fault and these games to come out and Excited to play them. So you have been actually fault, right? Right. I have been play testing fault and I am a play tester for predecessor and What are they? I don't know jacket. What other games we play testers for it seems like there's a I Swap a jack and that's not a whole people hostage He's figured out I said this before but he's literally figured out how to like stick a gun through the screen of the computer And have it come out the other side and be like I'll end you dude Yeah, so my name is jacka I come from a very strong FPS background especially when I was younger I used to be a competitive Gears of War player and I started when Paragon came out, you know, I was like, yeah, this looks pretty cool You know, so I started picking it up and playing it liked it a lot But yeah me and sock we test like every single remake we get in there, you know somehow It's cuz we're handsome. So we got deep voice predecessor core fault Primax like all those other ones We were we were even devs in a Gora. We were At one point time, so you know we were devs It's funny too because of like prime X is like John snows thing and like literally Like I don't know why that guy likes me so much But he like comes into my discord and I told him that he was my favorite Korean player and like He just fucking loves his shit out of me now He's honestly like one of the coolest Koreans like he's always so happy and like excited. He's funny as shit, man I want to get more into prime X But it seems like he uses Google translate whenever I talk to me and I really can't understand But he's talking about a lot of times and I don't want to like put that's what makes it so good Did you just make a Google translate video interview with him? Be like all over the fucking place. You know, I mean, that'd be great. That's a good idea. I might do it Yeah, his translations are really hard to get in but you know what we'll see what happens when more time comes with his company, right? We've got we've got smokey in the chat. I just want to I just want to let smokey know that uh that guy is now a Soundcloud rapper so Check him out. Is that Xilroy? Yeah, that was the I was gonna be the new name of the Paragon map that he made but now it's his rapper name. Oh, yeah Yikes, yeah, check it out Soundcloud Xilroy. His single is called anxiety I'll tell you guys what If the Paragon information was a race jacka would be on the inside track and like fucking three laps ahead of everybody else Like most of the fucking shit that I know is because Jack had told me so Yeah, just get in there and data-mind shit without having any access Yeah, it's pretty amazing So what I wanted to talk about today a couple of topics I want to talk about is it wise for like a predecessor and fault to merge strange matter and Omega to merge and then I also wanted to talk about the Morality of selling skins that epic created which I know a lot of us have very differing opinions on that So that should be a fun one, but look first. Let's talk about the I Have been very outspoken before About how I don't think any of these companies should merge because they would have to abandon progress They would have to it would set them back You know creative differences would cause splits in the company I think it's actually a good idea though for strange matter and ometta to merge make a Strange ometta or something like that. It's your meta because they the They seem to complement each other's shortcomings and kind of shore up everything and they're both small companies So it wouldn't be like a huge merger there would be plenty of room for for people within both So I mean, what do you guys think? What do you think suck up? I? Mean, yeah, I I guess I agree with the fact that you know like So I haven't played any predecessors since Kind of the first Closed Alpha whatever and I know that jacka has played some and says that it's out of all of them It's the most kind of smooth Experience which is kind of like what is really important to me and any of these types of games Is is how smooth it is? But I do know the fault anyway, I mean obviously we just found out about it not too too long ago, but playing it It's kind of got all the you know maps working scoreboards working item systems, you know working for the most part all the kind of Functions different facets of the game or are kind of there and working pretty well so I Agree that they kind of would kind of cover each other's faults because the the one thing that I do see with Fault is it even though it's got all these things working and it's relatively smooth It's still got like a ways to go and Kind of the smoothness, you know of the game itself. So I know I mean it Could be a good move. I don't know if because it just depends on smoky and Omni I don't know who I'm not. Yeah, who heads up faults kind of Stuff I'm not the one I talked to the most. I don't know if he heads it up or not. Okay, Jack I don't exactly know who is like the leader leader, but maybe it's a joint type Operation where they all came together as far as I can tell But at the end of the day, I think Both companies could come together, but if they have the same idea, right? Because at the end of the day smoky is his company. They're their company, right? I will say Without saying too much about the last play test we did with predecessor. I could tell you right now I was really impressed with what they put together. I could tell you from experience map design fringe is doing an amazing job the animations like The characters abilities top-notch like that's the closest thing I've played so far. That's to paragon I know a lot of people saying the fault is but they haven't tried yet what smoky has come in for you guys Just just wait Even though both games are great. Just wait till both of them exceed a little bit more, right? It's very clear to me that the both companies have a good idea of what they're doing, right? Like they've got a good amount of progress. So if I could I Would take the item system from fault and put it into predecessor and I'll I'll be the most happiest dude Yeah, yeah there. I'm getting a little bit of reverb from from you jack Almost like you're coming through somebody else's headset or something. I'm not probably me. I'm fucking deaf I mean, yeah, that's definitely socks headset. He has me up to love Wait, how the fuck okay This is gonna be a right click me turn me down a test here. Oh shit Wait, wait, it won't even let me Wait a minute. Wow. I'm so dumb Sock just right click my name my picture. No, no try it try There I think I got it Say something But yeah, I totally agree false item system is really really good Like it's it's very close to what people expect out of a MOBA I think that's one of the things that kind of It turned a lot of people away from Paragon a lot of the a lot of the big creators and stuff I mean like I'm you had like mythy move who I'd never heard of until people accused me of trying to be like mythy move But he's he's a big smite creator and he was turned away from Paragon because of the item system They didn't like the card system. I think if any of these Paras zombies are to succeed they need to have a have something more similar that other people Coming in from other MOBAs can identify with and are a little more familiar with but with A twist and that's exactly what fault did they have that twist with the aspect system where you pick your aspect You know one of world two of several aspects at the beginning of the game Right and that plays into the kind of the thing that I find that's interesting about it and that I like about the item system that they have and in the fault is that it's kind of Even if you get like to full build or whatever there's still Kind of like scaling off of the favor system So like even you know, even if you're full build like taking a certain objective still has like an impact You know, I mean there's always keep getting stronger, right? It's still a scaling system even late game There's a scaling system or in game. I should say there's a scaling system So, you know that could be like a snowballing mechanic, but it doesn't seem to be that snow ball It just kind of adds like a little extra small benefit So anyway, I don't know. I like the way that they've done that and I don't know of any other MOBA that has anything Like the favor system Yeah, we've been talking about it for the past few days now Like we have people in our discord already theory crafting like what items we can build what will stack on each other And it's getting pretty nuts and we haven't even touched the tip of it yet, right? And that and also I don't think that Their item system with the favor, I don't think that that would be like too hard to balance either like it It provides like I said a minor scaling towards in-game or or throughout the game But I don't think that that's something that could I Don't think that it's like too crazy by the time some of those items have the potential of granting you like Pretty much like immunity to slows a hundred percent. I think I don't know how that works, but there's one That if you had like 28 favor the boots It you would have a hundred percent slow reduction So I would assume that that just makes slows like nullified for you There's other ways to get like a hundred percent crit off of tokens and stuff like that But late game that's kind of cool. I think because then you will have kind of Characters that scale like real hard off of that shit and if it becomes an issue That's something later on in the game where they can make a mechanic where they put a cap on this is how much Right and you could top out at on this attack speed or this crit or this movement speed Which only if it becomes an issue, right? But yeah, definitely there their item system is really good and and Like you're saying jack up, you know predecessors the the smoothest You know it would be if they merge things like that, you know, if they brought the item system to predecessor that they haven't fought then, you know, that would be a really good experience With let me also say is I don't know the complete item system yet in predecessor because everything is still a placeholder As far as what we know, you know without their endgame But as far as the card system Compared to the item system item systems easier for newer mobile new mobile players to come in from other games Like especially if you know league or any of the others like the tree system is simple Like people know about that stuff in all different genres of games with the tree system Right, and it makes everything available to everybody, too. I think it's very important Then the kind of thing I had with it was I totally agree with jack up predecessor felt way more complete and smooth the last time I played it Which was like a month a month and a half ago something like that It just felt it felt way better than than fault feels right now I'm not shitting on fault in any way. They're just they're just now starting their playtesting, but um, I think The the big advantage for fault though is that they have 11 playable heroes. Whereas Predecessor only has the five. I Think if these guys obviously know how to program heroes how to how to work with gas and how to make everything work It would be nice to see them go to Omeda and help Omeda program more and more heroes I Don't know about their level designer like fringe is just such a great fucking map designer and and everything but his Hit everything fringe does is very aesthetically pleasing Um, I think the guys over at fault did a great job of making everything gameplay Wise very pleased like you can tell that they paid close attention to how you would react to somebody coming out of a fog wall How you react to somebody coming around this wall that sort of thing Whereas fringe is mainly just kind of trying to emulate what was legacy and monolith and I think he could benefit a Little bit from from their knowledge a bit. I'm not again not shitting on fringe Just saying his his his work is way more aesthetically pleasing But I think fault did a little bit better job with their map design I think if you combine the two it would just be fucking incredible I like I said I've spoke out so much against the murders in the past But I really think it would be a great idea for these two guys to merge Yeah, I think I mean at the end of the day I mean just I think have to look at like what is the benefit for them Merging right like if they do merge are they gonna be able to work together well? With a larger team. I mean certainly they probably could have more progress, you know or complete things faster They will have to that kind of Lose progress initially, but if them merging Like, you know brings a game out faster than You know them just being on their own, you know, it might be worth it for them because honestly I feel like kind of the first person that makes I Mean, it's how long has it been now what like two years, right almost. Yeah. Yeah, so like yeah, so like people You know, of course, there's always gonna be interest there But like there's a lot of people that have kind of moved on right, you know to other things so The longer it goes the less player base you're gonna have I think initially You know, so I feel like the the first kind of company that comes out with something that is playable and is actually like at a decent Level of gameplay where it you know is similar to how Paragon was With the with the smoothness and how responsive things felt and has like an actual complete well-rounded game like that person's probably gonna Anything that comes out after that is probably gonna have a rough time Essentially is what I'm saying if it's like another Paragon clone I think the first one that that hits the finish line is probably gonna be the one that sticks around Yeah, that's like another thing we can come back to is We have the so many projects come out and like we have we have some buddies, right? They're really high level players and like they hear us talk about a new a new project You're like, haha, you know, they laugh it off because they're just like it's a joke, right? But when we see this new company fault come out of nowhere, they're focusing on gameplay and that is like one of the most Important things that you need in a MOBA and that we seen how the gameplay is just from our first test It was phenomenal like if you can combine though meta studios somehow with fault It'd be great like they would benefit a lot from it But as long as they're able to get together and like not but heads that's like the number one thing You don't want in a company then you'll have other companies like some other ones, you know not to be mentioned Like core what the fuck's going on with that shit Didn't want to say that As well, I mean that's that's what brought visionary Down, I mean they're still working on their shit, but they had gameplay though Yeah, they did they really did they were very far into the process like I can't wait so they come out with something They're it will it will happen eventually. Yeah But yeah, I think that I mean bring up another good point is the the player base Each company is competing for a fraction of the player base There's only a fraction of the player base that was the vote of the Paragon And merging would merge those, you know Those two fractions of the player base to I think that's very important right now I think that's a huge concern for a lot of people out there is that Everything's being broken up so much that nobody is going to succeed Because everybody's competing with each other God I can't remember the name somebody in my discord. I can't remember the name right now made it the perfect reference It's like Game of Thrones like right The white walkers are coming from the north, but all these motherfuckers are bickering and fighting Yeah, exactly But the way I look at it right is like all these things are like, you know stores, right? And they're waiting for the the new fucking iPhone or whatever the fuck people are into these days You know the first one that gets that shit is getting everybody Everybody's gonna go that store, you know the first one that that opens their doors and starts selling that shit You know, they're not gonna go anywhere else. So I mean, I think that if you if you come out with a game a Paragon game that's smooth and playable like Like fault that has like a lot of like well rounded parts to it and it's thought out and kind of built for like competitive Environment then you're gonna have everybody in the in the community that was Interested in playing Paragon to begin with yeah, and they'll stick around and play your game, you know and If another one come and that's the thing too is that if you if you build something that has like a high skill Ceiling and it comes out first right people are gonna play it and they're gonna start to get good at it And then when another one comes out, they're gonna be like well I've already invested, you know in this one and this one's doing great. So why should I? You know give this one any time You know, they may play a few times But if it's not as good as the first one or you know, if it's not as far along as the first one development wise Nobody's gonna pay attention to it. So, you know, I mean honestly if They're not You know if Smokey thinks that he can do it better on his own and get a game out And it's gonna be better than fault By all means I think you should do that, you know But if they're either one of them are worried about the risk of any of that happening Where somebody else releases a game and then nobody pays attention to their game Then the merger might be just beneficial to both of them that way that they neither one of them kind of Gets left in the dust I guess Yeah, exactly Well, I mean I used to say that Whichever one of these games makes it to the PlayStation Network first will be the one to succeed, but I think Come on sir by the time Any of these games make it the console? Everybody's forgot about it Yeah, it's like a public service announcement console guys they love you so much but don't Listen to any of them say none of us gonna be released on ps4 You're thinking maybe ps5. Okay, the PSN launch maybe That game has to succeed on PC first and get balanced on there first as well. I Just want to tell them to buy damn PC If you want to play Paragon you better you better just buy PC be honest with you That's that's the only way that you're gonna play in any of these so Start hooking or whatever you got to do start slinging Start slinging and vice from suck out sell your ass and sell drugs Very nice don't do that don't actually do that Man that would be an expensive blowjob it would be for a 2080 shit. Yeah, I'd be goddamn worth it. Geez Yeah, I'm sitting there debating whether or not that's worth of my yeah next topic. Let's debate whether it's worth It's like it's like 300 400 bucks right? What yeah, it's like a thousand bucks. Oh is it well then a hundred percent No, just kidding. Just kidding. I'm actually gonna grab another beer. I'll be right back All right Man