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Yes, I Get angry Angry man So on the video I am wearing the Seattle Mariners hat Because that one are our vote in discord against the Kingsbury Park district hat So the the hat moves on to face the number one seed and it's next round the DTNS hat But I will not be wearing this hat during the main show Because it's solstice Holidays I feel like I got to wear the Santa hat That's right There goes Sarah she is really offended by the Santa hat she's got a lot stay Tom You you Sit down there you think about what you did drop it That's what you should do like on the show if you want us to and say the music, you know And you didn't play off play people off you go drop it We get there we get time to move on drop drop no drop drop it Ray drop Otis drop it's definitely the the refrain at it when they come in from the yard because Ray's always trying to sneak her toys from the Backyard in and I try to keep the backyard toys in the backyard because they're all dirty Very and then the toys inside stay inside. Yeah Biocast is gonna edit the script he wrote for us to say instead of wrap drop Oh, that's in discord I'm on the chat that's why I'm missing all this Yeah, no just discord's hoppin today. Yeah, I'll open them both. There's a yeah IRC's hoppin to as always Nothing unusual about that Happy Christmas silent Hawke. Thanks for popping in and saying hello. It's very nice Happy Christmas, why do we say Merry Christmas as usual, but not happy Christmas Well, good birthday happy Christmas. Yeah, I Mean they mean the same thing. Yeah, my joyful Christmas We're just kind of old-fashioned here in the US. We like those old oldie ways of talking like be merry Oldie Say be merry about anything else besides Christmas very old-fashioned. Yeah, Merry New Year Merry birthday birthday Merry turkey day Happy Saturday You know, I try to weigh myself twice a week now to keep track of you know I'm how I'm doing on eating and exercising and the way I remember what days is I call it weights day and fatter day Oh, there you go. So I know Wednesday and Saturday are the days. I've given up I've given up kind of plateau Battle of the bulge as I mean, I I'm not in any way, you know, you know, but I just I'm not losing any weight So I'm okay. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, the longer you're stable and healthy and so it matters Y'all ready to do a show? Let's do it. Okay. Oh I didn't I Want to change the opening give me one second. I want I've been customizing them all week Discord channel is general, right? That's what I'm gonna be in Yes, that's where everybody is. Okay. I'm I'm in it You ready Oat? Yeah, he says So pumped. All right. If the Otis is ready. I'm ready Here we go Wake up my iPad in three two one Brian brushwood has supported independent tech news directly for almost five years. Thanks, would be like Brian become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the Daily Tech news for Friday December 21st Solstice 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from my Heidi whole in Cleveland, Ohio. I'm Len Peralta and From LA County. I'm the show's producer Roger J. Ah, it's good to have Len back. We missed you It's good to be back here for the what is the final show of of the year, correct? Yeah, I'm a live show of the year If anyone's unfamiliar over the holiday break will have four special episodes a prediction show a predictions results show Where we look at our predictions from last year Listener co-host show. We talked to some of the listeners in the audience about their technology experiences and a Retro show the Daily Tech news from 1992 nice coming your way next week Aaron Carson was supposed to be on the show today But unfortunately she took ill so we wish her well hope she gets a speedy recovery and we'll get her back on the show In the new year, but are y'all ready? I'm all ready for this Let's start with a few tech things you should know China has resumed approving new video games for sale after a nine-month freeze a new batch of games has been reviewed and will soon Receive licenses for domestic publication a new body has been created as well to review ethical issues As China says it wants to combat childhood Myopia and online addiction 10 cent announced back in October It will use facial recognition to detect miners playing games and then force mandatory limits The US FBI sees domains of 15 high-profile denial of service websites Thursday after an operation involving the UK's national crime agency the Dutch national police and cooperation from Cloudflare flashpoint and Google the orders were granted under federal seizure laws against Sites that are booter or stressor sites. They basically provide denial of service as a service Matthew Getrell and Juan Martinez in California and David Bukowski in Alaska have been charged with operating the sites Microsoft announced it will stop selling its Xbox all-access subscriptions on December 31st of this year Just a few days from now the subscription gives users and Xbox one and access to more than 100 games for $21.99 per month an Xbox spokesperson named Larry Herb says that the program will Expand when it returns in 2019 a good old major Nelson Finally Gatwick airport in the UK reopened for flights finally after being closed most of Thursday We talked about it yesterday drone flights from an unidentified individual were endangering takeoff and landing The operator of the drones has not been found last we knew But the military says it has taken mitigating measures and the drones have not reappeared since Thursday night police attempting to track The drone signal suggested the operator was moving around possibly in a vehicle like a van Sussex assistant chief constable Steve Barry told the BBC there were a number of lines of inquiry including the possibility of environmental activists All right, let's talk a little more about speaking of follow-up following up on Gatwick. Let's follow up Sadly on the glitter bomb story Okay, we talked about this the other day and we were all quite quite quite fond of this hack Turns out might not be as as as hackables as we originally thought The glitter bomb package to catch thieves May not have as been as pure as experiment as some of you may have hoped and here's why Someone named Peter Logan is among the people who did some sleuthing and Mr. Logan notified Buzzfeed that after investigating sources like Zillow and Google Street View It looked as if some of the instances in the video seemed to have been done by people Next door to each other now Thursday Mark Rober Removed 1.5 minutes from the video that he posted initially that we talked about on the show Because of the doubts around two of the five reactions He then explained that he'd reached out to the volunteers who would Compensate for their troubles and a friend of a friend appeared to have used their acquaintances To stage the videos but as far as he and you know the other three are totally legit thieves So still 60% of the video Legitimate thieves as far as we know a lot of people are just saying oh, it was all faked and maybe yeah I don't know. Maybe it was maybe he's lying I'm trying to get away with it mean it's fake to begin with I don't I don't see any reason not to believe Based on his explanation that he said hey anybody want to help me with this put the package on your porch and try to track it down for me and Help us out and let us know and I'll compensate you and a few people said yeah We'll do it and then decided to stage it themselves without his knowledge And he just didn't pay close enough attention to notice the little details that indicated that you can jump to the conclusion that he did And it was all a conspiracy if you want But I could absolutely see his explanation playing out in real life and him being sad that he got taken advantage of You know I'm saying yeah, I do Well, India has authorized 10 central agencies to intercept monitor and decrypt data on any Computer any subscriber service provider a person in charge of a computer must extend all facilities and technical assistance to the agencies Failure to comply is punishable by fines and seven years in prison Government says any order for interception monitoring and decryption must be approved by the union home secretary So this is not something that you could get easily But it is exactly the kind of law that encourages companies to put in backdoors And if they are worried about not being able to comply with such an order should it come down? Well, I don't know exactly what the fine would be but seven years in prison is nothing to sniff at So yeah, I mean this is I mean this is this is major Yeah, and well and it's another backdoor legislation because Australia Also is is putting in place a law that says you have to comply if we ask you to see The data you have to be able to decrypt it. What what's going on in both these cases is they are not Requiring a backdoor. They're not making legislation that says build a backdoor in there One step removed saying you're gonna have to decrypt it if we ask you how you are prepared to do that That's up to you Probably the only way to be able to do that is to either provide the key yourself and store them or provide a backdoor And when you provide the key yourself That is less secure And that's why signal WhatsApp, etc. Don't do that because they want you to have the most secure Communications possible and have no way that anyone else, but you could see your messages However, when you do that you're not able to decrypt communications So a lot of people are worried that this is another example of the creeping legislation that hobbles cryptography okay, so We're in India What do we use? Well, I mean right now you use WhatsApp, you know, they haven't changed anything It'll be interesting to see if companies decide to change how they operate or not operate in India I haven't seen a response from WhatsApp yet balls sort of in their court Well moving on to Apple news the company announced that it's head of machine learning and AI strategy John Gian Dria has been promoted to senior vice president and added to Apple's executive team Gian Andrea joined Apple back in April overseas Siri, which some folks believe has improved since he took over Depends on he asked I suppose loop ventures published results of tests this week between Google Assistant and Siri and Amazon and Cortana all four understood queries more than 99% of the time with Google getting 100% of the time Google also answered correctly 87% of the time and Siri was number two at seventy four point six percent Followed by Amazon seventy two point five percent and then Cortana back down at sixty three point four percent Siri improved the most though and that's that's significant because everybody likes to poo poo series as being an assistant that isn't that great She improved the most over the past year up twenty two points Although a loop points out that a lot of the improvement from Siri Related to just having more domains available. So there were fewer times where it just kicked you over to web searchers and Amazon seemed to have the greatest information related Improvement even though Amazon wasn't as good in the other situations if you if you go to that loop story and you look down At the graph you'll you'll see that when it comes to information related stuff Amazon was ninety one percent to Google's ninety four percent. So number two they fall off on local searches commerce searches and Command searches that's actually command searches are one of the things Siri is the best at because it's so well integrated Into your phone you can tell it to launch things and do things and it's better than all the other platforms And I wonder you know how many of these searches are Focused on Directions for example, I mean the local. Oh, yeah, like that's the only Any assistance for at least when I'm in my car You do that on a phone. These are speakers and they they actually test phones differently from the speakers. I see okay So the local stuff, I mean you could be asking directions from your from your smart speaker From here before I leave my house type thing, but yeah, okay I asked my echo for local coffee shops because that's one of the the questions they show in this loop article Where is the nearest coffee shop is one of the it's the example question for the local category It gave me five coffee shops near my old house So that was interesting because it's getting a zip code out of my Amazon echo profile It's not getting it from my Amazon.com shopping profile or it would know where I am Because you've updated it. Yeah, because I've updated my shipping address So if I were talking to each other if I order something from the echo It comes to me at my new address, but when I asked for local coffee shops It gave me a coffee shops in my old zip code So on the one hand I was pleased because it means that it is waiting for me to give it approval for that Function to be able to know where I am On the other hand I was like, yeah, then none of those coffee shops are actually near me. So but it also I mean, I think it's probably the right thing on the company's part to be like Well, your mailing address might not be that your home address Sure. Yeah, mostly is but not for everybody. Not always And it wasn't trying to guess by IP address where I was either it wasn't wasn't creeping on me like that Security researcher Mossab H discovered that anonymous social network blind did not password protect one of its databases exposing user account information In other words, you didn't have to crack a password because there was a one the database included private messaging data for users who signed up or logged in between November 1st and December 19th and remember blind is supposed to be anonymous messages It's for whistleblowers. It's for complainers And these messages were in the clear if you knew where to look for them blind executive Kim Kim However says there's no evidence the database was misappropriated or misused This has become a place for employees of Apple Facebook Google Microsoft Twitter Uber to talk about what's going on in their company and Whistleblowers used it to reveal allegations of sexual harassment at Uber if you remember a couple years ago They they were using blind for that I have seen some shouting Freud a Sarah in the press where some say ha ha These tech people are getting a taste of their own medicine with their anonymous data being revealed Well, okay. Um, I actually full disclosure. I had not heard of blind before the story But I don't work at any of these companies. So, okay, um, perhaps it's, you know It's sort of an enterprise kind of gossipy behind-the-scenes type thing listen No matter if it's you know Tom and Roger and I talking amongst ourselves or people talking amongst ourselves at a company if it Promises security and is not secure. This is a huge problem. I You know, we'd we go through this every day. It seems like we're talking about another Supposedly Very stable app that is not so I Don't know like what what's the solution like okay apple need to build its own, you know behind-the-scenes Messaging system for its employees to ensure that this doesn't happen and then will that be secure? I don't know That here's the thing. This is no different than any other breach. It's standard Caveat supply it may not have been a misappropriated It may have been a bug that that thankfully Mossab H found and no one else and no harm done Those happen all the time no code is a hundred percent secure The way you get a hundred percent secure is have a lot of eyes on it And if a lot of eyes on are on it they find the bug and then they disclose the bug because also we live in a world of GDPR And public disclosure and so since the GDPR I think it feels like there are more breaches Partially because we're hearing about them more often versus previously when they might have been shoveled under the rug It doesn't mean that the security is as awful as it feels though Because you're catching them in a lot of cases before bad things are done But our brains aren't wired to to differentiate that so we just remember there were a lot of breaches Some of them were very bad with malicious people getting information some of them weren't so the solution is to nail down security by Having audits by having open-source protocols by having a lot of eyes on them and having the Mossab H's of the world catch them Before someone else takes advantage of them Well, since we're on the subject of And their security sources tell Bloomberg that WhatsApp is working on a cryptocurrency to allow money transfers Particularly for the remittances market in India a stable coin would be pegged to the US dollar And then WhatsApp is still working on the strategy and plans for assets. So the coin is not near release Not yet. They're working on it though India leads the world in remittances with $69 billion sent home to India in 2017. That's according to the World Bank Yeah, I see this reported everywhere as Facebook wants to make a cryptocurrency Right because whoa does that not catch the headlines these days? Is that can people get angry? What now? The they they can't even secure their platform against privacy abuse and they're gonna make a cryptocurrency But once you read this it makes perfect sense in India where WhatsApp is huge Remittances are huge. Why wouldn't WhatsApp try to figure out a way to handle remittances and stable coins are a Less controversial cryptocurrency for handling things like remittances when they're pegged to the dollar Doesn't mean it's not risky though and that may be why they're far away from Putting this out because they're trying to figure out if they can make it work well Yeah This isn't a this isn't a Bitcoin situation This is a we want to make the transfer of the money faster than it would be through a CH So let's create a cryptocurrency that we control and validate to speed it up. It's it's definitely a It's definitely a gamble because you you know, you're betting that people are willing to use that service over something They know and have used for years. I don't know though I mean if if WhatsApp does this right, you won't even know there's a stable coin You won't be buying stable coins. It'll just use the coin as the transactional Element to move the money from one place to another You'll just say oh, I'm sending rupees home. Yeah, you know, you know, that's you know Remittances are huge, right? That's a lot of countries make money is by their citizens working overseas and they You know send a portion of it back to their family that still remain in the country and they spend in boosted the local economy, but I mean Possibly I mean, you know, it it's one of those things like people get kind of kind of Kind of conservative when you deal with finances and money and they tend to stick with what they know well Again, and maybe I'm misinterpreting this but because it's a it's a it's using a blockchain and a coin I think it causes us to lose our heads a little if all they're doing is on the back end using that as the token counter So they they can have an accurate Accounting of what's being sent where on our end as a WhatsApp user It'll just be do you want to send this much money to this person here? Press this button boom. It's done, right? And if people are willing to do that on WhatsApp, I don't know that the stable coin part of it really matters You know time will tell. Yeah Well, we've got one more top story For 2018 to do and I think we should let Roger do the honors. Sarah. What do you think? I think that's a great idea Roger take it away. I will take it away Walmart received a patent for an listening system designed for capturing and analyzing sounds in a shopping facility the system will also quote capture audio of conversations between guests and an employee station at the terminal and Quote process the audio of the conversation to determine whether the employee stationed at the terminal is greeting guests Now currently the company has no plans for the system or its deployment But the verge suggests that it could be used as a loss prevention Anti-theft system or or a way to Fire people when you know that they didn't do All right, all right, but it's also exactly what Amazon go does and they're shopping and they're instant shopping thing I'm more I'm more curious about the whole uh, we're gonna listen to our employees interact with the customers Yeah Oh, what if you said like, you know, you shouldn't buy that you should buy this you're gonna get five bucks off well, okay, but but like okay think of it from Sort of the the a different perspective. For example, let's say I go to walmart I buy something I have a very negative shopping experience Is it my fault? Is it the employee's fault? I don't know Maybe somebody had a bad day. Maybe maybe it's clear whose fault it is But I you know then complete a survey later Uh bashing that employee Maybe it was me Maybe it was so if a company were to be able to say well, we actually listen to the the exchange in question and the The employee was in the right the customer was kind of you know out to lunch Then I'm not saying this is necessarily a good thing, but it would probably um, okay It's better data for the company This is a patent first of all patents are written as widely applicable as possible So the the use cases in patents are Almost never the use cases in in reality in its use Right, they would they want to make sure they cover any use of their patent and make it look Particularly useful. The other thing is all the worries that are being expressed Or you could just put microphones up and do exactly the same thing, right? Like you don't need a patent to do that It's you can't patent putting microphones up and recording it digitally and analyzing them The patent is about like being able to distinguish What's going on on the floor and that feels a lot more to me Like walmart wanting to get in on amazon's business of automated shopping Uh Definitely, I could also be it's you know, it's it's one of those things that like you said It's a broad-based technology Like I still have fantasies of them expanding it so I can just kind of yell at the stores like where's my shampoo? See, yeah, no that'd be so I will say I haven't actually never been into a walmart until I had kids when they started needing like shampoo and bubble bath for For the for my daughter Like I ask and it's hard to find someone who isn't busy and it's hard to find someone who can direct me Directly toward where it's at depending on what the product is And if I could just yell at the store and it would just say okay, it's over here Now they have they they have apps and I know stores like Home Depot and Lowe's Will often tell you okay. You can find this item in this bin. We say we have four left You know and you go and there is nothing there You still need to track down someone You know if they could automate the process so you could also ask things I think that's one of the things that yeah About the amazon system. That's a patent to be able to distinguish multiple people asking questions process what they mean And then you could this is not in this patent But target audio broadcast back because you can broadcast audio to a spot, right? And say broadcast it back to the person who asked with their answer So rogers asking where the shampoo is and the store tells him that's an aisle six Whereas someone else a couple aisles over asked a different question and got a different answer Targeted back at them. Where's my kid? Where's my kid? She's an aisle six as well To get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com Time to check our mailbag Let's do it. Amos wrote in and said a while ago I wrote in to express my concerns that the apple watch series three was especially sensitive to my wrist tattoo Locking when it shouldn't and when my series zero wouldn't lock at all that behavior continued for the year I wrote the series three three Well, I'm happy to report that the series four has performed perfectly since receiving it last week not a single errant lock Oh Well, it's good to know so series four actually uh improved the the tattoo reading I guess Was it in the app developer notes? Yeah, probably not work for amos. Hey, yeah Also got this email in regards to bent ipads It's absurd to say that's not going to impact the use of the device ever tried to cut on a cutting board That's not flat Likewise a bent ipad will wobble when you try to type on a screen with the ipad flat on a table If the bend is always concave on the back and the four corners are always in the same plane Only then would it not wobble signed a self-avowed apple fangirl? Yeah, I'm with you on that one. Um, as much as yeah, it it doesn't ruin the device And you know, I'm also the same person who complains about uh, uh face id all the time Uh, they if it doesn't work seamlessly with your life It's a problem Sure, it might work fine, but it's still I you know, you you you you point out a couple of use cases where it's like That would actually be a problem Well, because what apple's saying is it doesn't affect the internal electronics, right? Oh, your ipad worked us fine But the form factor is part of the operation of it, which is what our apple fangirl is pointing out here correct Finally, we got an email from uh, proff met calff Who was following the amazon sends data to the wrong person story we talked about the other day Uh with a combination of curiosity and bewilderment as were we all as a human who codes algorithms proff says I'm amazed that people make the assumption that human error rules out the probability that some coder Just totally screwed something up. I mean, is there no such thing as a non human error with code Is there love the show? He also says everybody be like me and support and pennant tech news dts Is made by totally infallible humans. Okay, fine now proff met calff. I was with you to that last Now you're just now you're just Now you're just silly, but no, it's a great point, right? Like the algorithm itself Could be the problem because it was coded wrong, which would be a human error Good design with with uh, you know with a differing set of uh conditions than what it was applied to That's true well as we wrap up This last live show of 2018 We cannot stop without checking in with len peralta who's been drying up a storm len Yes, you know, this is a very special day um Because it is the the final live show of 2018 So I wanted to do something that talked about one of the biggest stories of this week and please bear with me because I realize that The glitter bomb in this case, uh would make us the thieves in this scenario But I want you to think about it as 2018 being the glitter bomb latent Fart spray thing that has gone off in all of our faces our collective faces and uh kind of at at least for me personally, maybe you had a better year Uh, but uh, you know, I am over this year and ready to go into 2019 To uh to celebrate and uh and have a much better year than this year. Uh, so uh, so yeah, so Away with the 2018 glitter bomb fart spray and uh onward so to a less glittery non-ferty 2019 a non-stink as you are trying to steal the promise of 2018 it exploded in your face is what you're saying that is That's a much better way of saying it. Thank you. Thank you much better in addition to this I also wanted to do something special for uh DTNS listeners and DTNS as Tom and crew Move into the fifth year anniversary. If you're on the video stream, you want to want to may want to check it out Uh, I've created this which is a special For DTNS five years five years Oh my gosh, I want that on every shirt every hat every beanie That is awesome DTNS with a big V for roman numeral five Uh design input from roger chang here on this by the way. We should acknowledge. Yes great execution Uh, this is fantastic. Uh, definitely Check this out and what i'm gonna do with lens art Is use it to try out a beta program through patreon that will start in january Where if you remain a patreon at a certain tier for three months You'll get rewarded with a free mug or poster or sticker depending on the tier more details to come on that Uh, but if you are at a tier and you want to hang out, this is a good time Uh to hang out because because this will be launching as soon as I can get this this amazing art uploaded System this is this is great. You may be getting it immediately after the show tom So that's you know, you'll be very excited I will upload it to be left to the show and then it's just a matter of how long it takes their system To launch because this is fantastic. It's gonna be great. Thank you. Happy five years by the way congratulations Thank you. Thank you for being with me for the for the five years. You're the best Oh, it's nice to be here. I'm glad to be here on fridays. It makes my fridays A little bit brighter. Thank you. And uh, if you want the glitter poster check out lenperolta store.com. Please do please do Folks, that's all we got. Thank you for supporting us throughout the year However, you support us daily tech news show dot com slash support again If you want the cool art on some cool merch, uh, stay tuned to patreon.com slash dtns Hey on our week off. We're still going to be reading your emails So send them to feedback daily tech news show dot com We're also live monday through friday once we start up in the new year at a 4 30 p.m Eastern 21 30 utc and you can find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live next week We've got special episodes predictions the results of last year's predictions listener co-host and a retro episode coming up on monday Have a happy new year folks. We'll talk to you on form 19 This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com The fireman club hopes you have enjoyed this program We Did it Another year in the books crazy, man. Can't believe it I think I might have been on the on the first show you did. I don't know about that or not We are with stevens. I was no I was on with I was on with darin Okay, so I think you were on the first friday first friday. Yeah crazy All right, i'm going to i'm going to get this to you here tom awesome Actually turn off that's so good a great team effort. Oh, yeah, excellent a great idea too. It's so nice It's really cool. Very cool. Yeah, so the so the few more details Patreon has a merch program and the idea is to reward patrons who stick around So once it launches the clock starts ticking Let's say there's the the master tier is probably going to get the mug And if so if you're at the master tier and you stay at the master tier for three months from from the time The thing goes in or if you upgrade to the master tier three months from the time you upgrade Uh, then at that three months you'll get shipped a mug with len's art on it. That's awesome. That's great And thanks to len for doing that for us Yeah, that's great. I think to rise in a full line of the inspiration there. That's Fantastic, so w. Scottish one says len was on the second episode of dts with You are you're an old timer Wow, that's crazy Yeah, I remember that that was uh, uh, wow man now. I forget the name of the of the, um Robot I drew I'll have to put not to prediction but Yeah Oh Um, the walmart have ears get it the walls have ears. Oh, yeah, the walmart's have ears that could work Um glitter busted Hmm sad but true a true quanto quanto the computer. That's yeah quanto smash Apple bends the truth, but that was more of an email Goodbye, there was one glitter busted. I thought was kind of a fun one. Do you like that one too glitter busted? I was Sad but true is what I said about that one sad but true Yeah And it fits the art art Yeah, you know that That guy I think got the raw deal because everybody now thinks that he's the faker But he's not the faker. It's the people he And he's getting he's getting tagged with the the sort of like I'm not gonna think about it too hard If something is fake then the whole thing's fake done Yeah, it's not it's I mean he built the thing right it does what it's supposed to do Roger can I take over the post? Uh, yes Yeah, for some reason it thinks you are Oh, yeah, hold on. No worries. All right. Uh glitter busted glitter busted I like that one What are you gonna call glitter busted something strange in the package on your porch There's Have you gone back any recently to watch like the ghost busters video from 1984 and to see the celebrities who are in there Not recently. No, so so like, uh Um, al franken isn't it pre senator al franken. All right Well, was he a celebrity at the time? He was Pre-senate. Oh, yeah He was on uh, saturday night live. Yep. Yeah, he did the uh jack handy remember He wasn't him. Oh, no. No. No. No. He wasn't jack handy He was doing small. Yeah, right. Okay. Okay. Got it. Remember, but I thought he wrote jack handy matter, right? Yeah, that could be yeah Yeah, jack handy was I mean nobody played jack handy. It was just inspirational That was the voiceover. Yeah Yeah, george went is in that terry gar isn't it terry gar Is terry gar doing right now? That's what I want to know. Yes, I am danie de vito I didn't remember being in that. Yeah, I remember I know it's crazy. Oh terry terry. My goodness. So They got all their friends Yeah, it was herald ramus. I don't know. Did you know uh, by the way, did you guys have you have you heard anything about this movie? Uh christmas chronicles with kurt russell. Have you guys talked about that? Eileen has has has put it on her possible list A chris prince sequel is first though. Okay. No christmas chronicles is great Okay, I you know watching the trailer for it. I was like there's no way I want to watch this But I heard enough good things about it. I turned it on we watched it So she's a great or a great great It great great like kurt russell is amazing at santa claus And all right, it's just it's it's funny. It doesn't go into the snarky world Like you expect there's gonna be two teenage kids. There's gonna be snark. None of that. It's actually they they're very earnest and um It kept norah's attention that says a lot because she does not stick around for anything that is not Like you know like interesting, but uh, but it was it was good. I highly recommend it. I'm gonna watch it again It has it has it has classic sort of Penciled in to it. I think all right So I would recommend you guys if you're looking for any kind of holiday christmas movie to get you know a new one Kurt russell's christmas chronicles is For real Yeah, for sure And and you know what if you do watch it, uh at me on twitter, let me know what you think and uh, you know Even if you hate it, so not don't at me, but at me bro. Yeah at me, bro Well, I just sent you that file by the way We were talking just yesterday about um, you know die hard. Is it a christmas movie? Is it not? But I would I would I would be happy to have something else to watch that I kind of do every year The godfather is kind of my holiday thing Really christmas story is ours. I already did that over Thanksgiving So I'm like, yeah, I want to watch something that's not like super cheesy Yeah, it would love christmas story is definite watch Nice. It's a wonderful life Try to watch that. I always throw a diehard on While we're like doing stuff Does anybody watch scrooged? No, I don't like it back in its day though It doesn't really age well. No, I guess I I mean bill Murray if you love bill Murray then It's the movie for you. I always used it with Albert Finney's Scrooge the musical The December the 25th media is December the 25th. Yeah, you know, uh, if I lean watches it, let me know what you think Okay. Yeah, no, I have her as long the powerful recommendation We are definitely watching uh a christmas prince the sequel uh christmas prince a royal wedding. I believe What's that? Is that netflix? Yeah, uh christmas prince was netflix's surprise smash cheese hit last last holiday season and we're back again Who's in it? No one you know no one you know I uh, um, what about christmas shoes? You gotta listen Don't christmas shoes It's terrible don't even listen to that song I got yelled at last last weekend We're decorating I put christmas shoes on and people like would you get the hell out of here with that What about deck the halls with boston charlie? Oh, you know While we're talking about awful christmas songs One of the ones that I really dislike and there might be people out there who are fans of it and I am personally not Um grandma got run over by a rowing deer. Sorry I don't hate it I've never hated it I mean, I don't like I I'm not thrilled about the song, but I don't hate it the way that I hate I saw mommy kissing santa claus, which I actually do hate wonderful christmas time by Um paul mccartney, I guess and again, that's very polarizing. I don't hate that song But a lot of people do I think it's kind of catchy Arbor straysans version of jingle bells Bad And then listening to do they know it's christmas now that didn't really See, I like that one too. All right when I when I I always think of mankind steamroller because they used to play like the heck out of that guy It's music Like all through the 80s on the uhf channels to fill airtime. Yeah Yeah Do they know it's christmas? No because many of them are muslim or some other religion Thank god, it's them Instead of you Yeah, thank god Be lucky you're not like them tune But if you think about the words too closely, yeah, the clanging chimes of doom Oh Fred in the chat room says he loves straysans jingle bells. I'm sorry. I just I can't get into that one Oh, it's very offbeat, huh? I don't I like uh the Ronettes rocking around the christmas tree. That's good Oh run dmc. That's good one. Yeah run dmc christmas and holas good song Yeah, uh, that is at the beginning of diehard. Thank you very much for those of you who Resist the idea that diehard should be played around the holidays run dmc song is in front of that Yeah, is it I think it's run dmc So Descending into madness Yep, I'm excited. It doesn't feel like christmas here at all the friday before why is it not No, it's raining. It's raining here Um, and you know, it just doesn't feel like christmas. So i'm looking forward to It doesn't feel like christmas in my neighborhood as well. I mean We're selling this music to people who are who are already kind of taken care of Uh, but it makes us feel better Oh They were selling the the song in order to raise money to give to the people who deserve this this was I if if I have my history, right? It uh proceeded live aid by a few months, right? Yes It was this was actually sort of like a bunch of people get together and sing a song and raise money for a good cause And then live it was it was the impetus for live aid because uh, because it was bob geldorf Who then got with quincey jones to do usa for africa and then live aid in the summer We are the world i followed on from that. Yeah, we are the world was usa for africa, right? and then my favorite is Hearing aid, which was all the metal bands that did were stars. That's my favorite There's farm aid, right farm aid, right? Really knows that. That's right Comic relief was sort of a thing that came out of that too as well Bob geldorf realized no, they don't know it's christmas. Maybe I should do something else to help them Well, by the way, a lot of that money did not even make it where it needed to go That's Of events like that is that they tend to be more Show than go well, and you could say that about lots of nonprofits is like Well, that's that's a heavy criticism against a lot of NGOs is because never give any money to anyone Keep it to yourself. It's such a black and white world Wonderful market we have right now. Well, no, that's the idea is that We are the patrons we are the patron Roger was trying to make a serious point. No, I don't need to make it anymore No, no, please please please we're we're just being annoying In the holiday spirit Sorry, okay, I'm done Don't we make a choice between a salad or a soup? Choose a salad or a soup feed Roger Hey, that would be awesome It's Friday feed roger Well, now that i'm sure that our performances have uh, have definitely Every youtube filter possible. We're going to have to leave the video and move to audio. Thank you for watching Happy new year. Uh, happy holidays. Merry christmas. Happy hanukah. Happy festivus and we will see you in the new year There's more of this to go