 Please please stand by It is 617 I will call the meeting to order I will call Mayor Ryan Swanson is present older person Trey Mitchell older person Roberta Flicky Panesky older person Grazie Pirella City Plan Commission member Jerry Jones Sarah Louise Harrison Nicholas to salt for those in attendance and if you're able to stand please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right next is a motion to approve the minutes for more previous meeting is there a motion to approve so moved there's been a motion by Roberta second by Trey any discussion seeing none all those in favor please state aye aye any opposition all right minutes are approved next everyone's favorite item RO number 1 22 23 by the city administrator submitting the capital improvements request for the years 2023 through 2027 administrator wolf do you want to do any opening statements thank you mayor I basically want to thank all of the department heads this year is basically my second second round of capital improvements we've been making a lot of changes year over year we're looking to be doing a lot more strategic planning the department heads have done a great job trying to work within our budget it's been a tight budget as you recall last year we kind of tighten things up because of the spending that we had been doing the years before that but the team did a great job we are going to have some great improvements in the next couple of years with the implementation as we all know the EAM which is the equipment asset management module that'll actually be a lot that'll allow us next year to look at roads with actual data and in the new year after that we'll be able to look at our facilities with actual data so it's it's great stuff we are also trying to implement increases and contingencies again these are things that we're not done and we're also looking to add projects for the future we tend to only go out five years we're looking to go out further like 10 years so that so that the capital capital improvements council as and committee and the council actually have a better view of what projects are needed in the future so that we can take that into consideration for for the borrowing and fees that we're going to need so thank you everybody all right I wrote the list from memory in order so if I get it right Carrie will appreciate me oh perfect Todd gave me the list even better first off is a presentation from uptown social the director Emily Randela Raho go first thank you mayor Sorenson I'm just realizing this is my first time going through capital improvements and I don't even have an example from any of my colleagues to follow so please bear with me and be patient as I talk about our project this is a very this is a pretty simple thing as as you're hopefully aware currently in 2022 we are in phase one renovations of the former save a lot building to be our new uptown social center for our programming and that is anticipated to be completed in November that we can take occupancy and move in what we are proposing for 2023 is we would like to do phase two of construction which would be the gymnasium build out an exercise room this is a net-zero project because the friends of uptown social our 501c3 has agreed to fund this fully so Caitlin might have to help me explain a little bit the logistics of how the finances would work but essentially it will be getting help from DPW in working through the contract and having the work done and then the friends of uptown social will completely reimburse the city for any charges and any of the project costs questions questions from commission members all right okay the bar high net zero all right next is the library carrot thank you mayor so the library just has one project today and it's a roofing project so back in 2016 we started working with the Department of Public Works with Mike and we had a company called Tremco who does their roof consulting come through and we've had several repairs on the library roof since then which we paid for and through our reserve fund that we've got so the library gets to keep some of its money left over at the end of each operating budget because we are funded through the county as well we've got some different funding mechanism this than most of the general funds however Tremco has said that in the next few years we really need to replace the roof altogether so they're estimating it 2025 that we need to have the entire roof replaced at 378,000 administrator Hofflin had started us on the path to saving partially like a 50% cost he was his hope and administrator Wolf has continued with that thought so the library does have about half of that cost saved for when that time comes we should have about half of it so we're looking at 184,000 through the city for funding for that project I think that's about it on it's pretty straightforward so questions questions for the library sherry okay thank you question I reading in the description you know I see words like delay piecemeal catastrophic and we're looking three years down the line do we have that kind of time or is this just a ballpark estimate from the contractor they thought that we're in good shape for a couple more years but they do want us to completely replace it so we have been piece mailing it so to speak since 2016 we've had a couple of different repairs on it but he in what he did in 2021 in the summer he thought it would go through the 2025 season was his estimate okay thank you yeah minister will thank you mayor Garrett just just to kind of to help with the for the committee if people were to look actually out out the window to the north you can see the actual lighter green patches on the meet public libraries roof and correct me if I'm wrong it was what three years ago that you actually had them come in and do the patch work as we call it and then they actually that was to extend it to allow us to hit the 2025 originally correct me if I'm wrong we actually thought that we had even more time we did but then after you and I reviewed the actual documentation it brought it came back to 2025 was the actual time that it has to be done correct we had them in the first time I believe in 2016 and then we had them back through in either 18 or 19 and they had moved up the timeline on us at that point at first it was going to be a good 10 years and now there's they're they're shortening that down so right and we did make an adjustment to the amount of money that the library is putting into that fund to be able to make the the 50% mark that's been estimated Alder fliki Pineski then Alder parola you were on thank you thank you was I understanding that the whole roof costs 300 plus plus and you have 50 percent of that whole roof cost a crude from years past up until this point not yet not we're working we're close to it I believe so we're super close to that money to 50% and keep in mind this is a 2021 estimate as well and one of the things the the tremco warned us is that over time this could be volatile and could change and could go probably will go up let's face it okay so okay so what we see in the capital improvements budget is the remaining 50 percent mm-hmm yes so you're looking at what is it 184 137 page number 137 page 137 half of that 368 would be 184 okay and and the accrued dollars were budgeted dollars that were not spent previously from the city budget that you could accrue for the most part it's operating funds that are left over at the end of the year so say we don't have filled positions things like that we get to keep that money back by state statute and so that's the majority of that fund comes from I mean 70% of our budgets personnel so you have to think most of that money came from that there's some other things that we've administer wolf had some money put into that this year that was I'll say you found some from insurance savings there's things so there's some miscellaneous things as well but the bulk of that money is left over at the end of the year and it just goes into a reserve fund so and then we had a lot of that towards this roof project so I'm trying to get back around so the dollars that are left over at the end of the year you could choose to use them for example to hire more personnel if you wanted to do that or is there is it encumbered is what I'm it well you wouldn't be able to use a reserve for personnel the next year because it'll run out eventually and that would be ongoing but I mean you could use it for materials or other repairs within the building something like that okay thank you Alder pro actually the questions were answered thank you excuse me additional comments for the library Sarah so is that typical that you you other departments roll over their funds from previous years so when they need things done they also do the same thing as the library it's unique I don't know that there's anything written right now this has been an ongoing dialogue with administrative wolf at this point between the end of essentially look myself in the library board on how much and so it's it's not it's not in an MOU or anything and so it's it's just been ongoing it depends on the administrator and the relationship with the library board at that time quite honestly so in the past I mean we've struggled with years ago with like we had an HVAC that was getting pretty old and that one took quite a few years to get lately we've had better luck in this process I guess and that was we knew that we had an issue back in 2016 correct you son that was the first year that Mike Wilmos got Trump code to come over at least to work with us at the library so and then we identified several issues at that point okay thank you mayor I guess just to add a little bit of hopefully some clarity the library as a separate entity that does get state funding county funding and city funding the city in in working with the library has basically stated that year over year the city when not the city the library actually puts at the time it was $20,000 a year aside for projects for maintenance repairs things like that and knowing that the roof project was coming that that money would also go towards the roof so the city typically pays half and the library typically comes up with the other half with the funding that they have available with the library and the roof at the $20,000 marker we were going to miss the target because of the updated bid that our quote that Garrett had received so I believe it was last year or this year we actually bumped it up to 27 to help make that number of the 50 percent this is money that's literally in its own pocket for the roof repair and then the city would be borrowing as you can see on page 137 the city would be borrowing 50% and the library puts forward 50% so this is not money that's available year over year it's only the $27,000 towards repairs for the library thank you other questions for the library all right all right thank you thanks Garrett all right next is our friends in parking in transit Derek all right thank you I'm gonna pass around a supplemental memo on a couple projects that are not listed in the CAP and I'll talk about those in the second as far as the next five years we have two projects one in parking in 2024 and one in transit in 2026 for the parking project in 24 it would be the replacement reconstruct of the riverfront parking lots along the river front down riverfront drive this would only be the east slots there's east and west slots west slots are by the George Warner High School the east slots are what you would know by Parker Johns Duke of Devon that area there and that slotted at $600,000 at this point and and it really is a placeholder at this point until we get a further confirmation on being able to do these products or do this project the transit project in 2026 would be the replacement of six fixed-route buses these would be replacing our 2010 buses at this point so by 26 they'd be 16 years old or they're about so that would be for that transit project we thanks to this committee and other city staff we are taking delivery of 10 brand new buses starting this week to update our fleet dramatically so over the last three years we went from 75% past useful life to a matter of a hundred percent within useful life so that was quite a quite a feat so I want to say thank you to the commission and those on transit commission for making that possible there's a couple projects that were removed from 2023 and beyond the first one many of you have approved or saw over the last couple weeks go to council for approval I apologize I was unable to make it to finance and personnel I had a staff meeting back at shoreline metro so but I am providing some additional information here this item because it's purchased through the parking fund parking utility fund it is not purchased using general obligation debt or any borrowing so this vehicle will actually be purchased just using our fund balance so I put a little bit more information together for that the other project would be to replace our paratransit buses using cares act dollars again cares act dollars because we did not furlough employees over the course of the last two years during the pandemic would allow us to replace capital at 100% rather than the traditional 80% through federal grants the basis for taking advantage of this is that we have to exhaust our cares act funds and the other thing and other part of it is is that we have an aging fleet there as well so we would like to move forward with allocating money through cares act for the purchase of it's not six it's actually five paratransit buses and we procure those starting this year already and have them hopefully by the end of this year and into early 2023 that would also greatly increase the age and reliability of our fleet on our paratransit side or our demand response side so there is more details there about this project if we do go forward and as we recommend going forward with cares act dollars this would save the city an estimated 150,000 in borrowing for these vehicles if we were to go forgo cares act dollars and take advantage of traditional federal funding the 80-20% federal funding so I guess I'll leave it there and if anybody has questions questions for Derrick holder flaky Bonesky thank you we just voted on 10 new buses is that accurate you did not vote you did not vote on them that was that was voted on last year they were already purchased we're taking delivery of them here in the next couple weeks so we had 10 buses replaced last year but they're not here yet they're the funding they were approved last year yes they were approved last year the purchase order was issued and we are taking delivery now it's about 12 to 14 months a process to by the time you issue a purchase order to when they're delivered okay so in this particular budget you're anticipating six more in the next five-year capital plan yes the I'm recommending six more in 2026 to replace our 2010 model buses so at that point they would be 16 years of age at that point and youthful life is is technically 12 years we've let some of our current buses go 18 19 and 20 years and once they come off the road I'll be happy to show you pictures not before okay and and the cares act is for the is the the cares act money goes for the news the six new ones this yeah this is this is not on your CIP the memo stuff is not on your CIP because it's using basically a self-sustaining funds or 100% funding so we would we would go and purchase six additional buses through our for our paratransit program our small buses we would purchase six for that for that service and get rid of our 2010 to 2016 model buses in that service so we have we have 21 large buses and 10 small buses and one trolley no partridge in a pear tree jury thank you dick what is a pastor rating I have no context on it it says these lots for the parking utility have a pastor rating or Pizer rating of bore what what's the relationship there where's Dave is he sitting in the corner over there can you you can probably describe that better than I can okay it's it's it's a it's a pavement rating system it's on a 10 scale 10 being fantastic brand new one being pretty much gravel so a four it's beyond it's it's in the poor getting down to the fair to poor category typically pours one to three fair for average right around you know six seven so it's it's due and the point is if you get below four and get to a three level then it becomes much more expensive because it's much more of a reconstruct versus a resurfacing great thank you additional thanks Dave additional comments for Derek all right thank you thanks Derek next is information technology thank you mayor so for information technology in 2023 we are looking for $35,000 to assist us in retiring our legacy as for a hundred system we're still running a number of applications on that system in 2023 that will be our fourth year of our plan it's a five-year plan so then again in 2024 we'll be looking for some funds to help us retire the software in 2025 we will start our data center refresh we did a refresh in 2018 2019 so that'll be starting to hit that five six year age and we'll be looking to replace some of that equipment as well as we will be looking to potentially add a second internet connection to the sink ring the sink ring is shared by the city of Sheboygan the county of Sheboygan in the school system and then we'll not ask for any money until 2027 at this point and that'll be once again for the data center refresh for the wastewater treatment facility any questions on the IT side Alder Mitchell thank you just a couple would you just mind walking us through what some of the equipment that's going to be replaced in the data center refresh will be is it what I'm part what kinds of equipment sorry being replaced yeah the first the first we'll take a look at is the servers and see what new technology is available for those and we'll be evaluating that too we continue to move more and more stuff to the cloud so that'll be kind of a balancing act the other pieces of equipment that we'll be looking at it will be our sands or network storage devices they'll be getting older and as those age we typically start to see more failures in that storage okay one other if you would not mind indulging me is it accurate to say what the second internet connection to the sink ring that right now there's a single single point of failure for the city the county and the school district if I'm sorry repeat the question the redundant internet connection right now without that do we have a single point of failure for internet connection for all three of those organizations out of the three entities that share the sink retina network the city is probably in the best shape we do have a secondary connection although it be one-tenth the speed of what our primary connection is if we were to lose that connection that goes out to Wisnet which is our primary connection we would switch over and still have email capabilities and we'd have limited outbound capabilities but any access trying to come into the city would be inhibited probably the biggest issue we would have would be for the fire station and the police department they their MDCs or mobile data computers that are in their squads and their trucks would not be able to get back to the resources they would need I'm looking forward to the completion of that project then thank you we are yes additional questions for it all right thank you older flaky sure thank you very much when when I look at an IT budget that goes for five years and I see two hundred and ninety thousand dollars I worry that we aren't keeping up and I guess I wonder if we need more infrastructure instead of less that's a very good question we spent a fair amount of capital when we redid city hall and we basically rebuilt the city hall data center from scratch as well as the wastewater treatment plant data center from scratch part you know part of that cost is some of the equipment we were anticipating getting seven to ten years out of especially like the switches and the core switches we also have the capability on many of those switches to go from a one gigabyte connection to a 10 gigabyte connection over the fiber so we've got room to grow that bandwidth if needed and the modules we use to go from one gig to ten gig are aren't that expensive there you know there's still be probably ten or fifteen thousand dollars but it's not going to be above 25 okay so you're content with less than a half a percent of of the budget over the next of the capital improvements budget over the next five years at this point yes okay if we're going to probably look at additional capital funding it would probably not be for the infrastructure it probably be on the software side additional software applications that work were identifying but at this point we also realize that we have a few applications that we've already purchased that we haven't fully implemented and leveraged yet so we're going to focus our attention on what we have right now get that up and functioning so that that's our plan okay thank you you're welcome additional comments for IT okay moving on to our television station WSES in 2023 we will be looking for a new broadcast server that will be seven years old and that's kind of the heart of where our broadcast and production starts from that will also give us some capabilities for closed captioning so and then in 2025 we'll be looking at a tricaster replacement once again that'll probably be seven or eight years old and that's just the refresh of that equipment that we look at and then we're also potentially looking at the purchase of another broadcast or a new broadcast truck in 2026 the broadcast truck will be 21 years old so I think we're beating Derek on the bus age a little bit but questions regarding cable Alder Perilla would you please explain again what is that the how will we how will the server improve the broadcasting what is that the replacement the server replacement will actually accomplish it'll be newer technology more reliable it'll have additional features once again the other big portion of that is the closed captioning that's something we've been looking at for a few years and that continues to come down in price as the technology improves for artificial intelligence or AI to help I guess translate the speech into text for closed caption thank you other questions for cable all right thank you right next is the police department chief good evening so throughout our five-year program with a primary thing that we're going to be purchasing is vehicles we have our vehicles on a replacement plan mark squads get replaced every four years in the past they had been replaced every three years what we want to do is try to replace them before they hit a hundred thousand miles and four years now because that's when the warranty is going to run out so that's when it's really going to start costing us the most money so these are the vehicles that are used 24 hours a day every day our unmarked vehicles then are on a 10-year replacement schedule they're used less often so we're able to get more longer time out of them and then you'll see in the plan occasionally we'll move them around if we don't need to replace one right away or we have some other project that's going on so in 2023 we're asking to replace four mark squads and one patrol wagon so the patrol wagon is 21 years old and that's why it needs to get replaced it's just at that point where it's more expensive to keep it rather than to update it and use it so that's a really kind of a low-use vehicle but something that that when you need it you won't you want to have it and so we're using that when we're making mass arrests or when we have somebody that has some kind of disability or medical condition that we're not putting them in an ambulance and we can't fight with them to get them in the back of the squad it's just easier to have that bigger vehicle to be able to place them in and make sure that they're more comfortable in in transporting them so that's in 2023 and 24 again four marked vehicles and one are unmarked vehicle and then there's $71,000 for facility maintenance so the police department we moved in at the end of 2008 so it's getting at that point where we need some carpet replaced we need to do painting all of those kinds of things so that's funds for that in 2025 we're replacing one marked vehicle and then four other unmarked vehicles and you'll see there's a difference in price there the unmarked vehicle that's more expensive would be a detective car so it's going to get all of the same kind of equipment that our mark squads get where the other three are things like for court services for officers when they're going out of town to training and those types of things so what we're trying to do is just essentially get a vehicle that gets them from point one to point two court services so when they're driving from the police department to the DA's office or or the court they're going to be using one of those vehicles and then the other thing that we have in 2025 is funds to replace our computers and our squads so at that point they'll be five years old so they'll be just about at end of life there so we're replacing the computers in the squads with the current technology whatever that might be and then also if there's changes in the squads we'll have to purchase new mounts for the computers and things like that so there's funds for that in 2026 again we're asking for five mark squads and one unmarked squad the unmarked squad that we're asking or the vehicle that we're asking for there is one of the small trucks that the CSO is used for writing citations and picking up a band and bicycles and doing those kinds of things and then in 2027 again for unmarked vehicles for marked vehicles one our mark vehicle and the other CSO truck and then there's a million dollars in there that's placed marked for improvements to our impound area questions questions for the police department alder flicky benesky thank you I am recalling that council entered into a contract for not not police squad cars but for leasing city vehicles was the police department not counted in that particular program we submitted the data to them I don't believe that what you're going to find is that it's going to save the money that that DPW does because we're going to have higher mileage use out of it than DPW does with the vehicles that they're using all of the equipment upfitting that's done and the costs that they're going to charge the city to do that we do all that in house right now so there's just a number of factors that makes it the contract different I don't believe that you're going to find that it's going to work out like it did for DPW so when you say a marked vehicle and an unmarked vehicle an unmarked vehicle is outfitted just like a marked vehicle similar so not exactly the same but but similar so what we're talking is two different vehicles in that the marked vehicles are driven by the police officers that wear uniforms and they're used three shifts every day an unmarked car is going to be used by detectives they work one shift primarily so that car is not going to put on the miles and get the wear and tear that the other vehicles are okay thank you additional questions for the police department all right thanks chief thanks next is the fire department good evening thank you I want to say everybody looks nice today so thank you sounds like it's asking hopefully hopefully this will work so I got a little PowerPoint real quick to we'll go through if I can get it to work you have to drag it over it should be Scott let's see it's not dragging either all right well now save you the PowerPoint although it's a very nice one let me tell you so everything's in the book and we'll just go quick on 2023 we're asking for 2 million for a station 3 remodel study or excuse me at land acquisition and engineering phase our station is currently 52 years old it's in heavy heavy need of remodel it is not quite up to standard it's not ADA compliant the facilities don't allow for the easy use of a female firefighter so there's a lot of things our generator is also failing so this this you'll see this phase it's this is phase one there's going to be two more phases throughout the next couple years so also our ambulance we're requesting a purchase of a new ambulance all our ambulances were purchased at the same time basically when we took over the ambulance service back in 2008 so this ambulance is going to be 15 years old and we are using a portion of our ambulance fund for it and then the rest from tax levy so it'll offset the cost we're requesting station 4 which is going to be 33 years old next year to have the window and door replacement and if I could show you the PowerPoint there's some leaking some mold starting to build up in some areas it's not quite healthy and safe so we need to get those remodeled and fixed some that's new for our capital items now is our we moved our to we were replacing our turnout gear 10 sets of gear every year that was out of a capital outlay director Krieger moved it over to the capital items so that's also in there but that'll be used with tax levy funding and that is it for 2023 in 2024 we are requesting again phase two of the station remodel so that would be four million dollars again if it was approved that would be phase two we're also replacing our ambulance which is going to be 16 years old we currently have four ambulances you'll see those come up the next years as well so this again would be offset by the ambulance fund so basically it's paying for itself cardiac man monitors which we use when we have a cardiac arrest we use them every day for blood pressures as well so they're used on every single ambulance calls so that there'd be 10 years old we do have five of those we request replacing all of them so you have the same technology you don't have different monitors on different ambulances that are have different type of up software in it and then I have also listed our station three generator scba filling station which is for our airpacks and our turnout gear rack that was just listed there in case station threes phase one and two were not approved I have to replace that the generator is not they don't make parts for it's leaking oil it's our emergency backup so it operates everything in that fire station so if we don't get the remodel we need to get that replaced so that's in there as a contingency then we have our turnout gear as well as I mentioned before moving on to 2025 the phase 3 of the station remodel build would be in there for 6 billion and then we have ambulance which at that time will be 17 years old again funded all through the ambulance fund and we have our turnout gear in 2026 we have our quint engine what that is is a combination ladder truck and an engine so it has a ladder on top of it as well a large one that can extend about 100 feet and this one would be replacing one of our reserve engines which is 23 years old or will be in 2026 we also have an ambulance as well so again that would be 18 years old funded completely by the ambulance fund and then we moved on to some remodel work we're trying to anticipate and forecast ahead so this would be a station for remodel which the station at that time would be 36 years old we also have a gear rack for station one then a station to remodel the same year and that station will be 47 years old and then you will see there what we refer to as station alerting system and that is to that's a way of our personnel to be notified of calls it will speed up the response hopefully getting them out the door a little quicker as well throughout all the stations so and then our turnout gear and then finally in 2027 our training facility so currently our training tower at that time will be over 61 years old we can really not use it as it is today however we do use it for flowing water and stuff so that that is a part of the hopefully at a station 3 and acquisition remodel but we also need that's training facility 21 year old station 5 roof replacement and update that would be the roof right now is original to the station then we're also requesting some furniture replacement in for station one that would be over 10 years old and then slowly we're starting to replace our command vehicles which is would be about 13 years old in 2027 so again my apologies that the PowerPoint wasn't working but if you have any questions I'll be glad to answer all right all right all the parrilla yes thank you can you can you please so let's start from the face one of the of the station I mean the the big one so you say land acquisition is that so we would start from the land it wouldn't be anywhere that already the city owns is that right sure administrator will want to answer that question so I'll I'll defer to him thank you mayor thank you chief what I'll do is I'll explain a little bit of the the process of what's going on originally with station 3 the capital improvements plan was to spend upwards of a million dollars if you recall I believe it was last year we actually approved a portion of that the problem that you have when I came in it it's not that I came in it's the fact that when I sat down with the chief and said hey what are we looking at we have a 50 plus year old building and the million dollars wasn't going to correct and fix or address the root issue of the problem so we have a 50 plus year old building that was built and it did not take into consideration firefighters that are male female or transgender we also did not build it on a facility property that actually has the ability for future growth so as a perfect example is right out our window here is station 1 station 1 dates back 100 years where it actually had a buggy and a horse that actually pulled the pumper back in the day we cannot put large equipment into the into the old facilities that we have all of the facilities are landlocked and they're not built for future developments meaning changes in our in our employee structure also the changes as station 3 is an example which is our our headquarters actually they actually had to redesign it remodel it years ago correct me if I'm wrong chief making rooms for the firefighters to actually sleep in it wasn't that long ago that the the rooms that the firefighters slept in were just large rooms with a you know half a dozen bunks or whatever in there where everybody kind of slept in the same room like a sleepover so what we're doing is where we're actually doing a project to look at how should the station 3 be looked at for future growth so if we're going to invest money into the facility do we have enough land presently to actually build and expand and allow the station to be remodeled into you know to give us another 50 years or are we going to have to look at a new facility altogether so it has been determined at this point that a new facility is what's needed because of the construction and engineering of the existing facility the actual center of the building is where they they have the tower for for the hoses correct and all of the building floor plan is structured off of that pivot point so they cannot just move walls around and change the configuration also the land is not large enough for additional bays for for additional equipment that's needed as the city continues to to be needed and grow for for its facility so we're also looking at not just the location but we're also looking at the size and we're also trying to put money into the budget so that the council and the capital improvements committee understands that these are proposed expenses that we will be needing into the future this is something that as an example those of us that have been on the on the council council committee for a long time when we actually talked about city hall as an example it kept getting moved down year over year over year and it went from a two million dollar project to a three million dollar project to a four million dollar project we have the same problem going on with our station three and we really need to be looking at all of them and we are in the process of doing the engineering and design work as well as the site location and that's why we're putting this these expenses forward is to step it through as a multi-year project so that we can build ultimately a new facility for the growth of the city thank you chief all right it's nice that your uh powerpoint came up chief um when you talk about replacement of a vehicle an ambulance truck you talk about a reserve or the standby vehicle or truck so when you get something that's new do you take the newest of the two you have now and put the newest one in reserve so typically we we have two reserve engines right now we only have one i mean as it was mentioned with the buses the supply chain issue we've had two vehicles on order and they're still not here yet and we purchased them and ordered them last year but yet we would have two reserve engines so when you purchase when we get this new one the first one that we ordered that one will be put front line so first to respond and then the oldest of all our fleet will kind of move to that reserve so you it's in the best conditions but it's still the oldest you don't want to run in front line because it's it's getting past past its life typically a frontline engine is used frontline for about 10 years and then switch to reserve status for about five years it's not always that way sometimes they're stretched and sometimes conditions based on where terror might be even less however that's typically we we try to stretch them out as as long as we can so what so when we see a budget we aren't necessarily adding numbers of vehicles to the fleet yeah in this case we are not adding with the exception of what we did for the ambulance that was the only one we are adding one extra ambulance to get us to five our call volume is there the need is there so we would have hopefully in a neither next year or a couple years whenever the ambulance gets here and we're in service we'll be able to put four frontline ambulances and now have that one fifth as reserve currently we have three frontline ambulances and and one is reserved but we're using that reserve quite often now so we need that that fourth frontline ambulance a call volume warrants it so thank you you bet additional comments for the fire department jerry thank you mayor uh chief question for you on the cardiac monitor station three generator and station alerting system those to me seem like critical items um and i hate to use the phrase but for lack of better phrase we're pushing those to 2024 what kind of sense of urgency do we have on the need to replace those to be honest i don't want to be the guy in the ambulance without a cardiac monitor so so uh the cardiac cardiac monitors that we currently have are in good condition they're they're just they're going to be at that time within in 2024 to basically replace um we have one that's we're using as we uh refurbished it to get it onto that fifth ambulance because it needs one however you never want to replace any of them without replacing all because of the technology changes we've been working with our manufacturers they're maintained very well that's why 10 years is about the good lifespan eight to 10 years uh so we are right at that mark so this is more of an anticipatory correct correct right um question for you tot on the building of station three with 2023 we're looking at land acquisition engineering when would we estimate we'd start having some final numbers so that we know we're kind of in the ballpark and what that should look like we're we're actually working with different groups right now that on land acquisition to see what's available we're also uh director bebel and myself we're working on re re-reviewing the actual areas uh the uh i don't know what to call it david um the actual zone for each fire station to see if we move it you know a mile are we still hitting everybody and getting the the times we're also considering if we move it let's say northeast uh do we still need maybe one of the other fire stations because of because of the zone and the actual um surrounding areas so again we're looking at a lot of different pieces we're also trying to make sure that wherever we do put it that it's on main routes and that it there's enough land for future development meaning the training tower and the eoc training center if i'm saying that correctly but we want to make sure that we have growth for the future of the of the fire station yeah you hit on my point exactly response time and coverage areas correct wouldn't thank you additional comments from the fire department elder perilla about the training facility so that would be a separate project obviously and so tell us more about that what is the idea behind that so currently we have a training tower located at station three it like i said at that time it'll be over 61 years old uh we can't even train in it uh we can't use it for pulling hose line into the tower we can flow water from the exterior in it's just not safe any longer um so we need a training facility much like where we can smoke it up and drag hose through it and put it into the building and and flow watered so that's what a training facility is the one that we're looking at and hopefully depending on what the phases work out and the land acquisition in the station three build we'd like to have a combined training facility as administrator wolf mentioned we need we are in need of an emergency operation center which is what an eoc is and that would also help us obtain the the size the area of the eoc whether it's attached to the fire station or at a separate location in the same area yeah so that's what a training facility would be we would use it every day currently we don't have we can go to ltc unfortunately because of the distance i can't take a duty crew to go do it so you know i would have to pay overtime to have crews go there we would have to shut down a station for extended period of time in order to facilitate the use of that so it's and plus we'd have to pay so it's just not economical for us we just don't have anything in our area to work with we are working closely with our neighbors our three adjoining districts town of sheboygan coaler and town of wilson so we would like to use them and and train with them more often in a centrally located area so those are all things that that training facility could could warrant and hosting classes as well may or may i yes um so would this project though have a life on its own let's say that the first project the station tree i'm just um hypothesis here uh is not approved then would that project would that still make sense to to have that project only for the training facility absolutely we we don't have currently we just do not have a facility for that we we can't have a class uh our training classroom at station three can seat 25 uh it's tight uh we can't host classes uh regional or statewide um so yes a training facility is needed we need to we just don't have the number of fires and this is a good thing uh for everybody else but for us in training purposes it's not we just don't have the fires anymore so our our young department and they don't get the experience that they need uh i can pull a hose line into this room without having any smoke in there and you just it's not the same thing it's it is not so uh we want to be as close to realism as we can so having a training tower that has the ability to allow us to smoke it up and ventilate flow water use our all our training and techniques that we would use on a live fire ground that that helps so um yeah it is a a needed item in the city uh we're also talking to the police department and department of public works to see if we can make a call uh combined training facility for all three departments which i think again would help everyone thank you if i can um you said the station three and i have seen it so i know that as a fact i cannot accommodate uh all genders right correct right um can the other stations accommodate all genders one can uh not adequately uh all the rest uh the other four including station three are not quite made for that we're working on it you will see a plan develop i'm working with administrator wolf and director bevel uh and my assistant chiefs to come up with a plan to get our remodels that's why you see the remodels in here as they are um station five right now can facilitate that however it doesn't have an ambulance out there and the call volume for ambulances aren't the same so right now our female firefighter is within she's on the ambulance so it's within the one station one two and three she's assigned to station two so we're working towards it um so so do you envision that that will be happening if those remodeling projects get implemented for the other stations then that problem at least will be some somewhat solved correct meaning your remodel the other two i believe there are two more remodels two or three more remodels here right yeah we're as we get them on there yep on the dock it should resolve that issue correct very good thank you no you're welcome thank you minister wolf did you have additional comments i just i just wanted to kind of add um add some history the training tower has been talked about for god five plus years as an example and with the strategic planning of of the headquarters station three the reason another reason why the um relocation and rebuild and reconstruct or basically construction of a new facility is is on the table is because of the fact that we would have a training center and the training tower and the new facility with expanded uh bays for for additional growth all at the same facility and it would also give us enough room to actually have training for dpw for like trenches and other other trainings that we presently can't do and we'd have to go to another facility or like ltc to actually perform that type of work another piece that i did want to point out is the as an example and hopefully chris doesn't get mad at me but the pd can do training in old buildings that have been abandoned and and that because they can go in and blow the doors off and cut holes in with visibility when it comes to the fire department there's so many pieces even if we're going to burn a building down they actually have to go in prep the building for safety reasons because they don't want to go into a lit building meaning lit as as far as they can see every time there's a fire they can't see so you want to go into a facility like a training tower that's smoked because you're not going into a stairwell that's lit and and visible so there's a huge difference between what the what a typical department can do and what the fire department needs as far as training capabilities they need to have those that ability to flood it that ability to smoke it so that it's real life experiences thank you other comments for the fire department all right good i have a few um so i know it's been a been a few years but i'm going to say the word fire study um for those that were around five years ago and chief i think that this was completed right before you correct you came on i guess i'm just curious in terms of of what that report said in terms of station positioning number of stations locations opportunities for growth and expansion where does that big puzzle piece fit into our plan moving forward so excellent question uh so the study you're referring to is the fitch study yep um so actually the fitch study really said two things we could leave it as is and and we would be fine um or if we were to go down or move a station our stations are almost located in an ideal location almost um station three can go a block don't quote me if it's east or west i can't remember and as well as station two can go a little to the west otherwise where they're located for the size of our city our districts it's i it it is they're all built well that was going to be in a good location my next question too is are we thinking the same area this is for station three or another part of the city but in generally what you're saying so so that is what administrator wolf was referring to is we're looking at with working with director bevel and the maps and seeing where our response districts and the time responses whether moving it let's say eight blocks west or eight blocks east or you know would be ideal um currently as the fitch study shows that area that we're in right now station three is good it has a lot of large arteries where we can go through to get to you know 43 or the rest of the city uh currently station three houses our only ladder truck so uh it it we are looking at that i don't want to say that it's perfect right now because we want to make sure that we're doing especially with expansion or potential expansion we want to make sure we're right you know and i i look at okay so next part so first i'll thank you next next kind of set of questions you know i look at it's you know one million two hundred fifty thousand dollars you know just for planning and studies you know i'm just like oof i'm not really ever a big fan of studies when it doesn't necessarily results in it but this is a very big project this is a you know several decade-old project um you know and against or we're gonna be looking at different opportunities for grants or other opportunities for funding i didn't know you know definitely leaning on your expertise and professionalism but does FEMA or are there any different other organizations that kind of help fund expansive public safety type projects like this that we can explore or start poking around on there are we have looked and tried to keep our eye open it's hit or miss on the timing you don't want to put the cart before the horse so we need to approval the land to move forward and then hit those grants and and allocations hard unfortunately they're very difficult to come by so we will do what we can to try to make sure we get our the applications out there when when the grant period opens but it's difficult just with timing without having a location or a direct path that we're going so i will do my due diligence to make sure we can offset the cost if possible but unfortunately i don't i don't have an answer for you right now in there thanks chief alder flaky panesky thank you um of the five stations right now which is the busiest station a station one actually is right across the street correct where does station three rank in second second basis yeah um currently as you know it's it's our headquarters so it's kind of i refer to it as centrally located although station one would be more ideal i just we can't hold the function here where i bring all five stations together there's just no room uh it it's impossible uh so we do a lot of that at station three when we need to uh so all the stations currently it's tough to to hold that because there's no parking for the rigs our personnel or outside individuals um so yeah so when you again land acquisition and all of the processes that go into studying where it might be and how it might work you would take into account call volumes when you redraw lines or do absolutely the main the primary goal is not to decrease service that we provide now so again um that's why we're looking at those response districts the response times to make sure that our stations are located or the station three potential where we're we're trying to look would be perfect for it we don't want to decrease service so that's the goal okay thank you very much you're very welcome all right last call fire department all right thanks chief thank you for your time all right last but certainly not least department of public works this now marks are halfway through it mark i got some chuckles thank you guys i appreciate that oh sorry i brought paper just in case some displays in place the powerpoint doesn't work we appreciate visual aids i think there was i was poking up here and i think i was supposed to push the button but it's just a blame it on eric that's the wrong one i i'm gonna scott i'll have it if this works that's a an old one that's uh not the correct one that's the new drag this over that's a new bridge i lost it on my screen oh good evening i know it's been uh a lot of information uh going through but um bear with us public works we have quite a bit to present this evening and i'm what i'm what i'm going to mainly mainly focus on is 2023 and i'm going to follow the spreadsheet that's in front of your booklet so we're going to start with city buildings and uh i also want to introduce our dpw team we have don so coloski our business manager instrumental in helping us put together the capital improvements package as we presented this evening mike will miss superintendent of facilities and traffic he's uh he's going to be part of this presentation in terms of of the buildings but but first of all i just want to talk about you know public works you know we imagine we design we build a little brief introduction of public works where several divisions as you're going to see this evening kind of talk about our current state of our infrastructure and some of our issues that we're facing as a city and then our project proposals and they usually just start with a simple definition of what public works is and it's those physical structures facilities that are developed and acquired by public agencies to house government functions provide water power waste disposal transportation and other services so when you when you think of the city of shaboy again i like to use the analogy of we're we're just like any other business except our business is almost 16 square miles in size so think of it as two miles wide and eight miles long we have 200 miles of streets 36 different parks we have 209 miles of sanitary sewers another 185 of storm sewers every day we're treating about 12 and a half million gallons of raw sewage 42 signalized intersections street lights we have 4500 we have 19000 excuse me 19 bridges which has over 168 000 square feet of deck so just a tremendous amount of numbers of assets that we have as a community that need to be maintained on a daily basis as well as with the capital improvements program for the future our our our purpose here is to leave shaboy again better for the future than we were inherited when we had it so our job is to continue to progress and move our community forward and make those critical investments so overall our infrastructure is in fairly good condition average in most areas we're a community that's over 150 years old so as the city ages so does our infrastructure and this is not unique to shaboy again this is throughout our country as i mentioned we're about average according to the american society of civil engineers our nation's infrastructure is around a c-minus so how where do we get here so after world war two the city really expanded a lot of development new housing the focus was on building new building new roads building new sewers water parks planting trees rapid expansion to to maintain housing and and and allow the city to grow but where we are today now we're at a point where a lot of that infrastructure is aging and it needs to be replaced or fixed so we're going to start with our buildings as we're going to follow along with our capital improvements program and one of the big things that is an initiative is our ADA transition plan a couple years back we worked with our insurance agents uh company sieve mick and worked with their consultant to develop a citywide ADA transition plan basically trying to look at all of our facilities buildings as well as park facilities or any public facilities where there's public access and look at how we need to upgrade or become compliant with the parameters of the ADA handicap accessibility plan so in some cases these projects will require some significant planning our capital and some elements are just maintenance items so some examples are bleacher replacements automatic door openers in some cases door clear maneuvering or clear openings elevators playground replacement this can include actually requirements actually to get to the playground itself ramp upgrades replacement or install any shower needs to be redesigned or upgraded stairwells handrails toilet rooms all of the above are some of the the features that were included in this study the study was comprehensive the examples here are just some just simple simple little things that everyday normal people such as us accessible that really don't really think twice of but uh restrooms without without uh grab bars sinks without a lower sink for a handicap person or accessible person automatic door openers to get into buildings these are just some examples that are in the plan the ADA plan totaled roughly between two and a half to three million dollars just in these types of fixes throughout the city for all of our buildings so what we've done with our plan is we've incrementally have allocated $250,000 and we alternate the years we alternate 250,000 towards buildings for ADA improvements and then the next year in the in the capital improvements plan we're going to put 250,000 for our parks facilities this is a multi-year plan but these this is just kind of a i guess a a large overview for for understanding our next next project that is facilities or buildings related is is the harbor center marina reconstruction the marina is over 25 uh roughly 27 years old this year it is uh it's showing its age especially at least the the the dock systems we've made substantial improvements to the actual marina facility in terms of its the the the building itself it's been resided roofed it has new windows there's been several upgrades on the inside but the actual marina proper facilities where the bolts more those are original and every year we've had ice issues and ice damage and over the years it's gotten expensive from its beginning of its life we've probably spent over $1.8 million on ice damage to docks over the years for over the last 27 years i don't think that's sustainable especially knowing that we're going to have to invest in new docks for the marina in this in this plan so what we need to do is we need to address this issue of the ice and the wave action that is causing much of this damage so one of the first things we're going to do is engage a professional consulting engineer we've had some past studies of wave action ice ice movement and how it reacts and how our marina is was originally designed with our dock systems as you can imagine dock systems over 27 years have improved and there's many examples throughout the great lakes that have different types of dock systems that are in place year-round on the great lakes that are able to withstand ice as well as wave action so part of our proposal within the in the capital improvements is initiate this professional marine consulting firm to start this process to at least evaluate where we're headed and come up with some options come up with some options in terms of not only what type of infrastructure but what does that infrastructure look like in terms of what's the most cost effective arrangement of docks and what size of docks and we're working with our marine operator f3 marine looking at the industry what where where's the where's the trend where we headed so that it's cost effective and that it's a good return on investment the next building would be our municipal service building and our transit building service building is over 60 years old it's roughly over about about 115,000 square feet in size when you factor all the the areas some of the issues are is when the building was originally built the vehicles were much smaller and not multi as much multifunction as they are today and in some of the pictures as you can see this is the wash rack it's very difficult for just a simple sign truck not even a plow truck or a garbage truck in fact when we do our plow trucks half the truck needs to stick out into the aisle to get access to it and the building and the lower pictures are just showing some of the the foundation the brick the masonry work and the siding as well many things with ADA as well within the building as we were addressed in that transition plan ultimately we're looking to potentially look at combined with the service building is the transit facility which is roughly 50 years old and it's in dire need of some upgrades again the buses that were back 50 years ago weren't nearly as as large and as needed as what they have today so you can see some of the shop areas are very congested storage is not very conducive to the building so there could be a combination when we're looking at joint facilities is how could we maybe combine the transit and the service building to save if we're needing to invest large capital investment in one building could there be an opportunity to co-locate and maybe such as just even the service of the vehicles themselves having a central service area where buses as well as the heavy-duty trucks that DPW service could that be just co-located saving significant dollars instead of having two separate facilities so that will be part of the study moving forward as well ultimately these costs are projected out in the out years moving away from buildings now we're we're going into the other aspect of of Mike Wilmes's area is street lighting and traffic control and his team of two electricians and and maintenance staff have been very very busy over the years already upgrading our street lighting from high pressure sodium or the orange type of light that you see to now the led and it saves significant energy throughout the city these are just some examples of some of that work in the program you're seeing the costs that we do we have some that are in city-wide that we have a program as well as an area that we've concentrated in the tiff district which is in the main downtown area so we're able to have some of those tiff proceeds and use that money to renovate and upgrade the downtown lighting this is for example a long broken drive we're looking eventually at replacing the old-style concrete pole to to fit more with our marine uh light fixture the lumic is the brand that we have standardized and carry that theme of lakefront lighting uh in this area i guess i'm before i move away from buildings and traffic or would there be any questions on any of these topics thus far for myself or mike will miss theirs in the in the audience this evening questions so far if not go ahead yes and this is a very honest question and it's not a rhetorical question um i have moved to sheboygan like less than about nine years ago eight and a half years ago and so i'm not familiar with the history behind the arbor center um but when i look at it i don't know this much activity i mean i i it's if i you know if i have to uh ponder about a the type of expense expenditures that we are discussing for the arbor center my first very simple question is do we need to do that do we need to spend this type of money for something that doesn't look like providing much of a return to us is there a return i'm not aware of are there other um there have been are there other uh considerations about or there have been other considerations about uh what to do with the arbor center or we i mean what is the the log what are the logics behind it the the the original premise is is that that area of the lakefront was uh back in the day it was not a very attractive area there wasn't a lot of public access it was just a boat landing and a parking lot and parking lot was not really improved even it had a lot of mud uh gravel so it it wasn't a very desirable place for the community given the type of asset that we have on our on our on our doorstep in other words so a lot of studies were done early in the 90s to jumpstart economic development and one of the factors was leveraging our natural resource the lakefront with a marina bringing in and beautifying that lakefront making it a destination and the studies showed early on in the process that there is what i would say a lot of direct and indirect economic benefit with the studies that showed that there is the direct spending of those boaters that are residing at the marina but as well as those visitors that come to shabuigan recreate and and also as transient boaters visit shabuigan's marina now uh i'm going to help you know revert to chat a little bit but i know we visit shabuigan and the economic development corporation that in the past there's been quite a bit of studies i i can't cite them right now for you but i'm sure as we move forward a lot of that's going to be revisited in terms of all right if we invest this what's the return on the investment is this a good investment and does it have to be all city of shabuigan money i i i think there's an opportunity here that maybe with the right marine company in in in charge are working with us that a long-term lease and that they would be responsible for the capital improvements taking that burden away from the city but then they have a much longer term what i would say exclusive right to manage that facility right now it's only a five-year contract so every five years we we ponder are we having a good contract with the marina or not so do we want to go with a different operator so there's not a lot of what i would say long-term uh commitment so that could be a possibility but there are there are studies there are uh cited returns on investment in terms of what the marina provides to shabuigan and again i think that will be all come out during those studies director palachuk additional comments yeah just answering dave's comments so the visit shabuigan has quantified that the waterfront equates to about eight and a half to ten million of the visitor spending so it is a it is a fairly significant amount of money and a lot of people that are traveling here from chicago land and iowa are coming here because of the waterfront in the marina and the stuff that we have going on so it it is a fairly large piece of our economy especially with the waterfront and then retailers and restaurants and all of that so it's a it's a huge thing it's a hard thing to put an actual dollar value on but it's somewhere in the range of eight to ten maybe as much as 12 million dollars a year in visitor spending um feel free to jump into just adding third commentary too i believe last year last summer was the best year on record in terms of operation in terms of numbers of boat slips rented and transient boaters that stopped at the marina so relatively speaking last year was our best year ever um administrator will more comments thank you mayor i what i would like to bring to the to the committee's attention is these uh capital improvements projects typically are five years or a snapshot of what we're working on for next year and then the four years after that this uh the marina has not been on any cip since correct me if i'm wrong david since the beginning and that's kind of a failure on our part as a city because we knew that we had it it is our gem if you look at any of our marketing as a city what do we market we market the lakefront we market our you know the lighthouse the you know the videos of shaboy again coming in our the sailing uh the marina is is the focal point that really draws people to our community to stop visit and see our our great shops and our and our great parks and all of the other things if we do not invest in this what's our focal point what do we provide visitors to to really draw them here so this is kind of a i hate to say it it's something that we should have been watching we should have been looking at we have had some significant uh damage as director beable had talked about and we have been spending um one you know $1.8 million in its lifespan but i do want to point out that what we're doing moving forward is being more strategic we're looking to look at the wave action that is affecting the actual pier system that we have we're also looking at the different parts of it we've had a lot of you know with the the rise and fall of the water levels we've had a lot of additional sand and silt and that build up in the actual marina so it has to be dredged out but we're looking at the opening of the mouth of the of the marina to see does that need to be adjusted to help protect the actual dock systems we're also looking at docks that will be much more durable for the for the life lifespan of the marina and i know that i wasn't around um during the development of the marina but i'm i'm assuming that when we built it i'm sure that we weren't looking because we had no history at spending the most money on the actual dock system itself all of the dock systems that we have right now have chains underneath them to hold into place there are no spuds or columns that actually help hold the dock from movement and they're all wood so again the technology of 27 years ago is a lot different than what we have available today so again this is a another good example of how we the city have assets just like david talked about the facilities and the age of the facilities that are coming of age no pun intended that need to be either remodeled or rebuilt or replaced because technology and processes have changed significantly and this is what happens when you have a city of 150 years old thank you additional questions for dpw so far all right so we're going to move into what i call our pavement management our streets program this evening where i have kevin jump from our city engineering office civil engineer project manager with our department that was instrumental in putting many of these these projects in front of you together so the first one we're looking at is north 25th street for next year it's got a pacer rating of four the average annual daily traffic is right roughly between four thousand to five thousand vehicles a day it's a concrete pavement originally built some of it's been built in 1954 to 1974 so clearly it's it's it's met its it's life cycle and it's operated in fact in some cases beyond its life cycle this section again is all concrete so what we'll be looking at is some of these areas we would do some spot repairs panel replacement but ultimately it would be a asphalt resurfacing program all the intersections would receive handicap accessible ramps we would look at storm sewer upgrade at the intersections catch basins as well as look at the sanitary sewer in the area to see if it needs to be lined and rehabilitated our next project is broadway avenue this really is a sanitary sewer project but because the sanitary sewer is so large there's really it becomes a road reconstruction because there's no road left after we reconstruct the sanitary sewer so we have to pretty much remove the entire road to get at the sewer replace the sewer and then rebuild the road so it's an expensive project as you see but there's an opportunity maybe to use some ARPA funds that we had and ultimately not be of such a burden on the on the capital improvements program from a from a borrowing standpoint but a very important project the sewer is built in the 30s and again it is in dire need the water utility actually a few years ago replaced the water main in this section already so that that does not have to be replaced Lincoln Avenue is our next project this project actually got advanced it it was out actually we planned it I think in 2025 but because of its condition it it's not going to last so we we really made an effort internally we did some internal engineering on this it not only is the the pavement bad but there's hardly any curbing gutter left in this section again it was originally the concrete was original in 1897 in 1926 it's been overlaid several times and so we're going to remove this asphalt and look at the pavement underneath do some spot repairs and again replace that curbing gutter and then provide much better curbing gutter for drainage in the area and resurface this area the next street project is south 11th street this is very similar to what we did at south 10th street last year basically it's it's from Indiana Avenue to Ewing Avenue however it may have to be shortened up to Broadway depending on funding we're finding that prices are becoming more and more expensive with where we're at and our normal length of streets that we are able to resurface or repair is becoming less with inflation and costs so as we have these pressures we're not able to do as much because the money is not going not being able to be used as far as we used to had in the past so we're going to keep you posted on south 11th street but again this is a you know it's an old old section of street original concrete in 1923 it's got a pacer rating of 3.5 this is this is a this is an example where you know this is a section of the city that we you know it's a neighborhood section it's not the highest traveled street but it's an important street and what we try to do is we we look at north 25th street which is a urban collector four to five thousand vehicles a day a lot of traffic that travel on it a lot a lot of people will see that impact of that street being resurfaced but we also have to balance that by hitting our neighborhoods and getting some projects done so that the neighborhoods aren't neglected another project that we're looking at and this is a continuation of a project that's going to be starting next week on Calumet Drive and 14th street north of excuse me Calumet Drive north is we're going to start our panel replacement we did some last year on 14th street from Erie Avenue to roughly just a little bit north of Superior up to Salmon Avenue I would say so what we did is we went into this section it's four lanes wide we blocked off one one direction and we cut out squares of concrete that were cracked or starting to fail the purpose of this is to extend the life of that section that is one of our most heavily traveled sections in the city and it's a great investment that those these sections were were paved in the 90s and if we're able to get these panels replaced and maintained and keep them in good working order that will further extend the life of the of these of these sections of pavement this section actually is roughly from what's right between Evergreen Park and the Corey View Center and that will happen in 2023 now this is another streets project but it's also a facilities and traffic because it deals with traffic so Mike Wilmes and his department as well as the engineering department are involved in this this is Taylor driving wilgus avenue intersection the top photo shows the old types of traffic signal some of the pavement condition the bottom one is just an example we're going to upgrade the signal standards to the new monotube arms where you have the signal heads vertically over the lanes instead of just having one on a trombone arm it's also going to be upgraded for handicap accessibility there's now more more pedestrians in this area when this intersection was originally constructed it was on the edge of the city there wasn't much there except the i-hop and people remember the i-hop there okay i'm all right well that's where the movie theater is so there was no sidewalks out to the i-hop or amount of the movie theater but there are now and so we're getting more and more pedestrian pressure so we have to have pedestrian signals right now this intersection doesn't have the ped walk lights so if you you can't really get a signal to cross next is our sidewalk improvement program this is just a map every year we try to hit a section of the city that we target for inspections this year we're spending this year and actually in 2022 we are able to get some more funding we're getting roughly 200 000 but in 2023 it's going back to the original scheduled value of 100 000 per year now we we do we do our inspection area our targeted area as well as we do respond to complaints citywide so if the department gets a complaint on a bad sidewalk and it's inspected and it's in bad shape we will mark it for replacement next project is our storm water management program we've identified this the pond at 29th and geely and i shouldn't call it a pond it's really just a very wet depression in the ground for for lack of a better term this this area was expanded after the flood of 98 we did the a pretty major upgrade and what the next this project would do is actually convert this to a kind of a dry pond to actually a full depth wet pond so it's in its current condition it's got a lot of invasive species it's got a lot of a lot of opportunity so the project will deepen the pond clean it up as well as do some other improvements and this is a very important project this is a it's not only a it's its primary purpose today is flood control after this project is also going to have a water quality aspect because now with our our storm water permitting with the dnr we're responsible for not only controlling the water but also cleaning the water before it gets discharged to either our lakes or our rivers and this pond will also now be more of a water quality pond we are looking at securing some grants with that from the dnr as well so before i move leave the engineering streets and in infrastructure i would ask if there's any questions on those projects questions on road so far all their parrilla i also brought along just in case i'll leave it up here this is a complete plant mapped of the entire city all the stuff that we've completed since 2013 as well as which what is planned here right here year 2027 and i will be able to forward this to all of you as a pdf document as well i just it's a little easier it wouldn't show up on the screen but it's much easier to see on a large board can you follow up older problem uh yes i just was i just want to offer a comment that i am a little bit disappointed that to see in the cap this year just as last year that sidewalks maintenance are getting hundred thousand dollars a year now the director director people knows my opinion on this very well because i bring that up at the committee at the public works committee almost on a regular basis but i just want to emphasize that hundred thousand dollars a year basically repair or maintain based on the data 0.37 miles linear miles 0.37 so basically um one third of a mile a year just want to you know contemplate this this compared to what we do to maintain streets and what it means being more walkable we often um praise ourselves as a walkable high degree of livability but our sidewalks and the attention we pay two sidewalks doesn't speak to that so it's just a comment um and i hope that there would be some big consideration director bevel any comments i wholeheartedly agree sidewalks are are are probably not funded uh as well as a lot of all of the other projects there's there's there's a need to balance the the budget as well as what we're able to afford now you're correct in terms of what we said about what what it does in terms of the miles that sidewalk are replaced but sidewalks do last longer than streets because they do not take the pounding of traffic so they so in a sense there is a little longer jeopardy in terms of lifespan of sidewalks that that at least we've been able to see uh but yet you're right i mean it on the grand scheme of things when you look at 375 miles of sidewalks you're right i i i i can't argue the fact it would be great to have more money to do more projects but i i as you're seeing this evening and in the in the proposal i think we're going to find out at the end of the day we're going to probably have more needs than we're going to be able to afford so we're going to have to at least make some tough decisions and be able to balance and provide an overall good program that addresses all the areas and i'm not saying just public works we're looking at police and fire library transit all of the departments that are all everyone here has important functions that serve the community so how do we how do we as a as a team and how do we come up with a plan that is fair to all those needs and i guess yeah i you make a great comment um grazia i and i can't argue it i'm not here to argue and i'm not here to defend it i'm just here to just to hopefully share more information about things thank you alder flicky paneski thank you um let's follow the money have you have you taken full advantage of the federal infrastructure bill and is there more money there that we could manage we i i would love to as soon as it becomes more and more available that's right now there's a lot of unknowns and it's tied up so far at the fed and state level so we've chased a lot of the federal and state projects we've we have some projects in the and they're mainly for streets but we're also looking at accessibility items as well so there are some newer programs that are coming up with the infrastructure bill that will fund some of these what they're what they would call um they're not let's say they're not they're meeting potatoes road projects so they have other funding mechanisms for discretionary projects such as pedestrian types of facilities the problem with it is is that a lot of the agencies aren't prepared to to distribute this money and their their systems aren't really prepared yet so as those programs get developed we're going to maximize our ability to chase that money and have projects ready on the books we have plans already in a lot of cases and plans to submit to the do t or other agencies that are that are sources of funding i would encourage that wholeheartedly additional questions so far jerry thank you ma'am dave on a sidewalk basis if you had let's just wishlist how many sidewalks can you physically with your team repair how much could you do if you had the money with our team very very little uh and they say that because we're kind our team is concentrating on on street repairs storm sores we're we do a lot of the crosswalks the corners and we're doing the handicap ramps and quite frankly that that occupies all of our seasonal and full-time staff as we have in place so all of the sidewalk work is is a contract we we contract it up we'll go out for bid and whatever their price is we apply it to the the contract or the budget and then we actually assess that against the property owner so we do get it back but it's it's not it's not a one-for-one because they have it's it's delayed in terms of their payment repayment they have a five-year window to repay that that sidewalk so it's not so it's kind of always revolving in other words and i would just say um after years on this committee it's been refreshing to see a plan which we put in place some years back the hundred thousand doesn't seem like a lot but it's a lot more than we had before and it's the consistency of repair and i've said for years the city has judged a lot by the infrastructure the department of public works the city and the fire and police and we're trying to address those as best we can and i think we have a plan in place to do that but when it comes to the streets and we're talking about cities that are high on lists of livability or likability for retirement and other things yeah the sidewalks and streets are a high part of that and i think we've come a long way to doing better in those areas we've got a long way to go but we just don't have the funds to do it all at once but i think we have come a long way and we at least have a plan that we're following which i appreciate and i i thank you very much for those words and if you look at the the the display here and as i said i will forward this to everyone it's we have as a department is really concentrated and really stuck to the plan and quite frankly if you look at our pavement rating from where it was in in 2009 to where we are today it's it's almost increased the full point we are actually 5.9 was our overall average for the city that's not a good average we're almost at six and a half today and i'm hoping that by this next cycle we'll be closer to seven with our program that we've been routinely investing investing we had a year we had several several decades i shouldn't say about a decade ago we had a we had several years about four years where we had no projects at all for street improvement well we paid the price and it was fast and it showed real fast so i i yes we know we have a tremendous amount of infrastructure we have a tremendous amount of needing is a tremendous cost to it i think what we've tried to do is present a balanced approach thank you director we've got additional questions so far otherwise we'll keep proceeding i had it up there next is our forestry parks and forestry um um tim bolt city forester is with us tonight and jule and jule kerlin parks and forestry superintendent are here as well instrumental in the the program it as you know we've been talking about the effects of the emerald ash borer in our community we've been tree city the longest in the state correct me i'm going to say 44 years i get it right thank you so 44 years we're the longest running tree city in in the state of wisconsin and now we're the first in the state of wisconsin to be tree city in the world uh thanks to tim bull and jule kerlin and the staff this is a really awesome achievement and i can encourage you if you ever watch spectrum one news there's a great news channel uh spot on them what this map shows is really currently all the stumps that we have throughout the city that need to be ground so there's over 400s plus stumps the the blue dots represent the trees that are being treated for emerald ash borer that will be retreated uh tim and his team as well as joe here they they were instrumental working with roots and other other partners to get our gravel bed for our tree replacement program so we really concentrated on removal of the ash we i mean the last four to five years we are pounding it we removed well over a thousand probably close to 2000 trees in the city but now it's time to start replanting we have a deficit so we have to replant and so what we're doing is with our capital plan is really now concentrating on the replanting and what you see is with the bare root trees they have their small and they go in but they really take off fast with this type of with this type of structure that that tim and his team and and joe and his team have worked together so hard at in terms of reforesting part of the problem is buying trees especially larger trees right away are very expensive so what we're able to do is buy a lot of trees in their young state get them in the gravel bed jump start the root growth and really get them going and then give them a really healthy good start within the community so i want to just pass that on that's that's a continuation of where we're going the next portion is going to be some of our parks project and what we have is our optimist park we're looking to put a basketball court there and there isn't one today and this is just like it this isn't what it's going to be but this is what you know we could we could eventually have at that park very nice park has a mixed use neighborhood there's some multifamily in the area some single family in the area there's a splash pad at the park now and it's getting more and more use the other project was is at cleveland park another very popular neighborhood park and what we were looking to do at this park is put a splash pad in the let me just back up the the the shelter and the restroom actually has the water line and plumbing in place for for this we it was stubbed in at the time with the future development of a splash pad when it was time so this is what we're looking to put in is something similar not this exact style but a splash pad and they're very popular in the summertime with the kids that was real quick for 2023 the parks and forestry any questions before i move on to our wastewater treatment plant questions for parks and forestry all right all right good job guys all right our wastewater treatment facility in sanitary sewer i want to introduce jordan skiff here our new superintendent as well as steve josser our existing superintendent that's going to be leaving us with retirement coming up in in june here so we have a great opportunity for the two of them to overlap and work with each other in this transition it's one of our most critical assets in the city wastewater treatment plant again 12 and a half million gallons of sewage is treated at this facility every single day it's a very expensive operation if we had to rebuild this plant from scratch it's probably over a 200 million dollar project so that's why it's very important to invest and keep this facility running so we're looking at our primary clarifier project this is number one drive what you see here is the drive being removed this is from another clarifier but this is what it looks like they'll they drain it they take it take the drive apart refurbish it do work actually on the structure on the bottom and in the inside and the concrete walls they'll seal the joints look at the mechanicals and then get things painted and get get the corrosion fixed they're going to do two they're going to do a primary as well as a secondary clarifier next is our aeration upgrade so this is where the basin is where we add air and oxygen we diffuse bubbles into the into the into the wastewater this is looking at fixing and upgrading the diffusion and and and how we distribute the air within the system to get better coverage for the oxygen heat exchangers i believe or these are originals so about 45 years old okay thanks steve yeah so these are original heat exchangers this is for our digesters got to read the fine print so yeah a digester a heat exchanger so we're going to remove these and replace them with new digesters that will have improved flow as well as efficiencies the big ticket item every year is our sewer lining program roughly about a million dollars what this does is it actually allows us to insert a liner within the existing pipe and not have to dig up the street to replace the sanitary sewer it's a very successful program i i want to say we've been doing it within the city for at least 30 30 years now and it's been a real success yet you're able to to basically insert a new pipe in an old pipe without disruption to traffic or utilities or ripping up pavement uh it's it's been great but it's not always the answer so sometimes we do have to do reconstructs where such as a Broadway as we mentioned and that when you get to a reconstruct it gets very expensive so this this program although it's expensive at a million a year it's saving a lot as well and we're able to maintain and fix quite a bit of of our sanitary sewers with this program a lot of that is also in conjunction with our road projects so when you see a road project when you see this when we're doing like a 25th street or a a south 11th street we also plan to line the sewer we might have to go in and do a spot repair we have to dig down maybe just a spot here and there we'll fix it but then we'll still insert the liner at a at a later later time another successful program that is really part of it's kind of odd it's it's mini storm sewer program these are little smaller storm sewers that are put in backyards and they're mainly to intercept yard drainage as well as sump pump drainage so you say why why would wastewater fund this well it's because without these types of systems people will put the storm they're put their sump pump into their floor drain or put it down the sanitary and it adds a lot of clear water a lot of extra water coming to be treated at the plant that needs to be pumped treated and and it's expensive we want to eliminate that clear water so that's what this program's about it's roughly around 50 000 a year not a lot of money because these projects are difficult to get in backyards and install so we average well between two or three of these projects a year any questions about wastewater or sanitary sewer got a few uh older flikipansky thank you um when you do a sewer redline how many years does that give you well we got 30 so far i'm thinking we should at least get 50 we yeah and and it's it's basically it's basically a um almost like a plastic pvc but it's not that it's not that material it's actually a fiberglass resin material so it's a it's a plastic material that it it cures and it gets hard in place therefore um it's it's very corrosive resistant and uh it also provides uh better compressive strength from the clay pipe so it's the the industry standard is roughly 50 years is what they're saying but it's this technology with you know it's probably only about 40 years old so far so good i mean it's been a it's been a very successful uh deployment and application of it so far okay thank you jerry actually burt took that question but i just also wanted to say thank you to steve i see he twisted your arm to try and stay a little while longer but no i wasn't but it his presentations over the years have been a spot on and it's one of the most expensive parts of the city we have to upkeep so thank you for everything you've done are there questions keep going all right last we're getting to the end motor vehicles and equipment rick nye or supervisor of the motor vehicle of the vision this this area really doesn't have as much equipment as it has in the past and it's partly because we really made a concerted effort through the years with capital improvements to really invest and get us in a good place the other aspect is if you recall we converted a lot of our what i would say light duty vehicle equipment to a lease program which is now becoming more operational expense instead of capital that also will free us up moving forward so it's a really successful program and the timing quite frankly although it was a little hard with the supply chain at first the resale on our vehicles that were able to put back in the market have been fantastic and that's been a real pop above and beyond our earlier projection so it's going to be interesting to see where that ends up so what we have or one big big purchase here for for motor vehicle is our our rear end basically garbage truck our garbage compactor this is kind of the the workhorse we have two of these i gotta get to the right page and maybe i'll just ask rick rick what's the age on this 23 years old and what they what they're primarily used at is our drop off site and just for large rubbish if you know now we've gone to the cart system so we're not able to pick up bulky items when we have to go pick up bulky items this is the type of vehicle that will will deploy we don't deploy them on a regular basis again one's primarily at the drop off site all the time the other one is used throughout the city as well as we do use them for leaf collection where the will collect leaves and we'll put them in a big big dustpan that gets attached to the back dump the leaves in and it gets the leaves get crushed and we're able to collect a lot more leaves with the packer as well as we'll collect uh Christmas trees in these vehicles what we're proposing to do is is not we're actually going to look at the used market there actually is a used market for these types of uh trucks so we know since they're they're kind of heavy duty and they're not really out and about on a daily basis we can probably get by with a refurbished uh truck since they're not on the road as much so that would be our proposal that's why uh they're not as expensive as what a brand new garbage truck would replace the other vehicle or the other piece of equipment that we're looking to buy is our chipper so we have an older chipper this is actually we have one like this today the other one is a little bit smaller that is old and it needs to be replaced this we were going to replace it with this model and as you can see it it's not just chipping branches these things can take up to about a 12 to 14 inch tree and run it right through it it's a real time saver especially when we're working with eab and we were out there with the crew fell a smaller tree and run it through the chipper and you're on to the next one instead of going through chunking it up and and getting it to proper size so you can feed it and our last piece of equipment is our zero tone turn mower so again three pieces of equipment not too much but what we've really tried to do with their motor vehicle is is smooth it right around 300 up to 400 000 maximum a year some years are around 250 that because the motor vehicle funds an enterprise fund in other words this is not debt related so the funds that we earn by charging ourselves rent internally for our vehicles goes in turn funds this replacement program so we're able to replace this on a cash basis moving forward and that's why it's been reduced because by moving to the lease program we're not receiving as much rental income as we would in the past all right thank you director people questions for department of public works all right thank you thank you all right last but certainly not least uh chad city planning and if you have time later and you want don't have anything else going tonight please stick around and look at the map i look at the map and i tell david people let's get this road a little further a little more so for city development we have really just a couple projects related to the recent purchase of the gartman farm subdivision land so about two weeks ago the city closed on a 3.6 million dollar project to purchase 195 acres south of sheboygan on the corner of menning and stall road we will be pairing that property once we fully own it which i'll talk about shortly but we already own some land known as the poath farm on stall road which is roughly around 85 acres so we'll be pairing this one that these two together for about 210 acres of subdivision land yet to be determined what that looks like so we have a five-year payment plan with david gartman we made our first payment this year when we closed of 900 000 for the next four years we have 693 750 payments to make to mr. gartman until we fully own it after year five what we're looking at doing is we're working with a number of consultants and or single family housing developers at this stage to look at laying out a master plan for the property moving forward for the next five to seven years laying out subdivisions and other types of housing to kind of fill the affordable housing as well as other types of housing it might be single-family condominiums or those types of uses so we so most of the time let me back up so most of the time we're we would hope that we could attach this to a tiff district a tax incremental financing district we do not have that opportunity out there because the only tiff district we have that's close by is an industrial tid and industrial tids do not allow residential development so we've budgeted some funding out of the affordable housing fund where we would set aside money for incentive payments to developers similar to what we would do to facilitate a development if it wasn't a tiff district so if we're going to try to build the goal here is to build more affordable housing affordable single family we don't have a lot of control over the construction costs but we do have control over the land costs and the development costs so we're hoping that some of this funding as you can see for there's a two million dollar and a one hundred one point five million dollar payment those would go and those wouldn't be just one lump sum those would go to specific developers to defray the cost to keep the cost of land more reasonable so we can try to facilitate some more affordable type housing so the we have four years of payments which would come from the affordable housing fund and then we have two years of budgeted over two years for incentive payments to help defray the cost of land development for these this development to keep the cost lower what that looks like we don't know yet we just are in the early stages of this but we know that in talking and preliminarily with single family housing developers around the state it's going to be a challenge keeping houses at a reasonable price given today's current construction costs so if we can help by incentivizing to keep land costs lower hopefully we can keep the overall price of the house down right thank you director Pellcheck questions for director Pellcheck the other sorry the other project that there's a project on there for 2027 that was added it's Indiana Avenue Gateway signage so the master plan for Indiana Avenue had some type of signage that would announce the corridor as you entered it from four off of 14 street and onto Indiana so I don't know if this is some kind of signage that would go over the roadway similar to when you're driving into downtown Plymouth and it says cheese capital and it kind of spans the whole road but something of that sort in so we but we budgeted 250,000 for that out of the tiff district at the later end of the tiff time frame once we're done with any other improvements so that's why it's pushed out to 27 older flicky ponesky talk to me about the trail projects uh Indiana phase two of three three of three so we have been negotiating for three plus years with the union pacific railroad to purchase the right-of-way of the old railroad from pennsylvania avenue down to mead avenue we have a we had a difference of opinion for a number of years the railroad thought that we owed them 1.2 million where we would have to buy all of our right-of-way back and our number was 875 which doesn't include the right-of-way we have since we continue to negotiate and the city attorney's office is negotiating as we speak to try to get that number somewhere in between there but we may have to just move forward at the 1.2 million for acquisition so the plan is to use tiff 17 and tiff 20 dollars to fund the acquisition and then apply for some recreational trails grant funds from the dnr to help offset the construction costs in the discussions that we've had with the dnr they said it would be a lot easier if we could purchase the right-of-way without bringing them into it because of their federal requirements but they would be willing to participate in some stage of the construction so we're hoping that we can get to an agreeable number and that we can advance that purchase and then ultimately plan and construct the extension of that trail thank you more questions older pro yes about that project that is beautiful so the 2.5 million would include the 1.2 plus some of the construction so what is the the yeah that the the purchase price would be 1.2 million in the estimated construction cost from 2020 which is probably elevated now but that was about two and a half million to build it so what does this 2.5 million include again the one the 2.5 no it's 3.7 total so it's 1.2 million to buy the right away from the union pacific railroad and then another two and a half million to construct the trail it's a fairly long pennsylvania to meet and then down indiana avenue is gotta be two three miles i would say if not more what actually it's through union to the south so almost to the mcdonald's on self-business drive is where it would terminate thank you last call for questions for development planning all right thank you thank you final call anyone else want to go all right just checking all right well that concludes our presentation today so the arrow will hold over until may 3rd just want to you know if just for the commissioners please review go over your books take notes if you have questions in the meantime please reach out to the respective departments as well otherwise we'll have final deliberations and we'll make a recommendation to council on may 3rd which is next week we've exhausted the agenda is there motion to adjourn there's been a motion by robert a second by jerry all those in favor of adjourning please stay die and then opposed we are adjourned at 831