 Welcome to Reader Syndicate 3.0, the next evolution of the look into counterculture that is Canada. My name is Matthew, owner of Riot Seeds, and this started as a one-man mission for Strain History and Breeding Science. Over time, it's evolved into something bigger, better, and more of a team effort. We will be joined by members of the Cannaluminati and other friends throughout the season to hear their takes on grow techniques, breeding science, Strain History, and more. Our mission is to combat the narrative that Corporate Cannabis and Seed Posers are obfuscating for their own financial benefit. Welcome to the Underground. We are the Syndicate. Welcome to Reader Syndicate! I'm Matthew, here with Thousand Fold and today we're going to be talking about prrrrrrrr thousand. Jezel. Jezel, that's right. One of my favorite plants, one of my favorite clones, it's been kept over the years. And we're going to give you a, I don't know how short or long it's going to be, but we're going to give you a thorough rundown of the clone, more about it, where it came from, et cetera. And with that thousand, do you want to kick it off? Yeah. Well, I think I was wondering whether or not you want to start with the kind of who did, who said, you know, who said what, when versus traits? What do you? We'll start with that. We'll start with the back history on just kind of where it popped up from. Yeah. That's good. So, uh, diesel came from the chem dog crew originally. Now, uh, the story goes that it was Kim dog Greg, who, I believe his first quotes were that it was the chem dog D firming onto the mass super skunk clone, which is different than the VA super skunk clone, different than the mom of sour, as best we know. And, um, we don't know what year I've asked him several times, but it's, uh, not, it's inconclusive as of yet, unless he finds his journal. And I asked you, yeah, when you say it's from the VA SS, is this, do you think that it was just like a sensei SS, like from, yeah, yeah. So after talking to Gabby, um, like we've always had this assumption and knowledge a little bit just from different people in the group saying, yeah, we went, we went and bought more sensei seed super skunk. Whether they went there to get it or ordered it, don't know, but they had more sensei seed super skunk. They popped at some point. We know that for sure. But after talking to Gabby, um, he readily confirmed that there was more sensei seed super skunk popped all over the place between all those crews. So I'm not sure if, um, they did that because the VA super skunk was known as a super skunk, even though it was probably a hybrid, according to the guy who, uh, made it or accidentally made it, um, M, I'll call him. Um, but I don't know if because they knew that super skunk was somewhat in that first one from VA that was really dank, that they decided they were going to start chasing super skunks up and down there, or if they just had smoked other super skunks and said, wow, this is really dank and we're going to go for it that way. But at some point they acquired more, um, super skunk seeds. Um, let's see what else. So, Kim dog said that he made it again. We don't know what year I'm assuming early 2000s to mid mid maybe 2004 to 2006 sounds more accurate, but I do think it was around before 2006. Pretty sure. So on the timeline, where is this relative to the, uh, you know, the the different seed pops? Do you know? That's kind of, yeah, I mean, it's a hard question because it all depends on who's point of view you take when it comes to the chem seed lines. Like is Kim D one of the original seeds? If not, is it 91 super skunk, which super skunk was the one from sent see, which I think it was, if that's the case, according to Greg, that D was in the room at least when Jesus was made. So it has to be later if we are going by what he says, and that's my friend, I'm not going to call it a lie or anything crazy. Um, if we believe that's what he says, then it would have had to have been at least the later pop, whatever was made. Yeah, pop to make it, if that makes sense. Um, and I'm sure it's going to confuse the shit out of people who, but you just go back and listen to our chem dog episodes. It really goes into detail about which one we think it is. And again, we'll, we'll reference the codex later. The codex also talks deeply about the chem dog situation and what was definitely check out our codex and we'll link you in the description. Yeah, I think, uh, yeah, that covers it with what was said. Um, there was another person involved in, in Greg's close crew, um, in chem dog, Greg's close crew named Bundy. And we know that he was a, uh, good friend of Greg. Um, and he was doing a lot of the library keeping. He was very into making crosses. He was, I would say probably more of the strainer in the group trying to keep tabs on that kind of stuff. And there's some other sister lines that I've been able to get a hold of. Right. I would say not sister, but maybe tangential sister, if that makes sense. Um, like, like snow dog, snow dog looks very similar to Giesel. It smokes very similar to Giesel. Um, it's much more resinous, a little bit more sweet. Um, but I would gather it was probably made around a similar time to the Giesel. They both kind of pop up around the same time. And in my opinion, Bundy probably had something more to do with it because it seems like some of the work that he was doing. I had a question here because I don't know that much about snow dog. Um, is it also considered a chem fam quote unquote? Okay. Yeah. No dog, um, was it or snow, bubble, berry, Kim, snow bubble, Kim, I think it was called, uh, yeah, there are these other cuts around chem fam that I don't, doesn't seem like it's very clear that it's from them. Like, I don't know, snow dog, Giesel. These are lesser known, obviously, Kims. And I think also because like, even though some of them had like dog in the name, like snow dog, snow dog was passed around quite a bit because it had dog in the name, but Giesel kind of dropped to the side. It was one of the, there was never any hype for Giesel over all the years. Like when I first got the cut, there wasn't Giesel hype. Nobody was chasing Giesel. Well, most people never heard of it and didn't know what it was. That's an interesting thing to talk about as well. Like I know in the past you've said you think that's partly because of the name, but in my mind I'm like, but don't people like diesel? So wouldn't they have thought, oh, Giesel is like a diesel thing but it sounds cool, even if it's based on the name? But there was also another line called Giesel out. And most people when you said Giesel, we're assuming you were talking about Giesel. So that was also another issue, you know, the UK Giesel by someone else. I think maybe that's a Heath Robinson thing, if I remember correctly, the Giesel, but it had nothing to do with the Giesel. As Greg told it to me, it was Giesel, is where the name came from, Greg's diesel. So as he explained it, it was his favorite version of the Kems and diesels. And that's why it was called Giesel. And as Manny from the Sauerkraut explained it to me as well, they use the term diesel to describe everything. And he thought it was more like since he was one of the people that named the chem bag seed, the hour chem bag seed that became diesel. He was I asked him, like, where did you get the name? Like he's like, well, diesel genes were popular, things like that, diesel gas. Like it all kind of came in at the same time. And that's kind of why the term diesel popped up. And plus chem weed didn't really flow well with organic growers. They didn't like that kind of chem weed. So they preferred to call it diesel instead. And it makes sense, you know, like the organic growers can get real studious about that, you know, like even the name would bother him. So. So funnily enough, I guess, what you're implying is that if he called it like chem F, it probably would have sold chem G. It would have been chased forever, I think. I say that. But then chem one is not really chased, but it was also held back so tight that nobody really got to grow so long. But yeah, yeah, chem one isn't really chased either. So it kind of shoots somewhat of a hole in my thing. But it's the best I can gather. I mean, it was available. It was not really hoarded the diesel clone. Like people would pass it. I passed it a lot. But most people would just drop it. It's a hard plant to grow. Now, we talked about what it's supposed to be. We'll talk about what it is in a little bit. Do we want to go into any other history stuff? Is there any other questions we have there? Is there any other context that you think is interesting, I guess, is maybe another way of, you know, we talked about the name, we talked about the crew. Um, it's it's been really, it's been really interesting, mostly trying to track down the dates because knowing the dates would help this make a lot more sense of what it was, what else was in the room that was made. It would give us more of a clue. Oh, if Kim dog D was the the pollen contributor, what else did Kim dog D what else was made, you know, things like that would really help us pin down. I have my own opinions, of course, on what it is after running it for over 15 years and running through a lot of the S ones sold a ton of them, watched a ton of them grown to by other people. I have my own theory on what it is and just based on knowing a lot about the D, how it reverses and whatnot. I think that it was probably the pure super skunk hermit on itself. One thing we know about Kim dog D is that it doesn't tend to throw live pollen when it hurts. It just doesn't like that was a big problem with it. A lot of people want to Kim DS once over the years so they torch her hermit and it just wouldn't make seeds. It just it's not a it's a sterile pollen thrower for the most part, unless you use like STS or something like that to reverse it. So looking at it the way the plants come out, it tends to stay true to all the super skunk traits, types, chirps, all of it. OK, maybe we should just go into the traits then. Yeah, I mean, kind of have to. Yeah. So the traits of diesel. Diesel is a long, lanky plant, a lot like the diesels, a lot like you would see in OG cushes. It stretches quite a bit in flower and even as a veg plant, it does need some sticking because it's it's very, very lanky, very lanky plant. It's not the heaviest resin producer, which I think is another reason a lot of people didn't keep it. It has a very old school look to it and I wish we could show pictures of it, but that's how our videos get flagged and stuff and hidden. So unfortunately, we can't show the pictures, but you can go reference any of this in the codex under the diesel and see some pictures of old original pictures. I think OG Rascal's pictures are up there. So shout out to OG Rascal. He had some of the best original, some of the first pictures people were putting up online of it that were decent rows. Currently, there are only a couple, but I imagine you have more. Oh, yeah, maybe we have more. I need to get more up in there. What else do we got? It's got very, very bubbly bracts. That's something that a lot of people notice with it, the big bubbly bracts. It almost looks like it's holding monster seeds in it, even if it's not. They're very dense bubbly bracts, but the bud, the bud density, how the bracts form isn't super dense. It's not airy, but it's right in between. It looks like it'd be super dense, but it's just not as dense as it looks, which I think is another reason people weren't super chasing it. You know, it's not as dense as 91, not as dense as D. But the main trait, the main reason that I kept it is because it has this wonderful buttery skunk. And that's quoting Pip because I could never place it. It always just said skunky. Like I always said, it's skunky. I don't know how to explain it, you know? But Pip nailed it down to buttery skunk, creamy, buttery skunk, like savory skunk. And I think that is the most accurate term. I would say gassy, but it's not necessarily gassy, but some of that, like the non-harsh tones of gasoline, like at the pump petrol, that smell minus the harsh notes that they're kind of too loud is in there, but with skunk, true to the term skunk. Just you mentioned the kind of swollen bracts earlier. How would you compare the flower structure in general to like diesel, which also has some of that? I mean, they both have that super skunk trait of the bubbly bracts. Like that's one of those the traits that runs through and true through all super skunk. The other. Am I am I right in thinking that the diesel flowers don't they don't seem to end up being quite as big? They seem almost, but I don't know. I've only seen a few pictures. Yeah. No, they're they're delicate. Like when I grow it, it's delicate, small buds. I've seen people blow it up and blow it out and get large yields from it. But I didn't like it that way. I felt it was always more mid-Z that way. And it liked to be a certain certain look like it liked to be smaller to produce better resin. And the high was almost always better if you didn't push it too hard. And when you push this thing too hard, she absolutely will harm just like the old super skunk. That was one of the other things like in in my theory with the the chem D versus the super skunk. The mass super skunk was a notorious her. Like that was its reputation. Oh, it's a great plant smells great. Fucking herms everywhere and loads of aromas seeds. Like that was its reputation ever since I've been around. So the likelihood that a a chem dog D that throws sterile pollen is in a room with a mass super skunk that's already going to throw live pollen on it. Like, I mean, it one is more likely than the other. And with how it breeds, I would have to say that it's more likely just super skunk. But to this day, you know, chem dog Greg definitely stands by his story on that it was the chem D. I don't know how he's come to that conclusion, but I tend to disagree on that. But he was there. I wasn't. So it's a really hard one to disagree on and have any kind of standing on it. It's it's one of those situations. And we've run into this a lot with chem and that's with all respect. It's just really how it goes. What would you say about its effects? Partancy. For you. For me, because like we always talk about effects are very subjective. Like it depends on the person smoking it, their brain chemistry, set and setting. Like they talk about when you're dropping acid or mushroom, set and setting is just as important with cannabis. If you're in a bad mood, have a bad, bad day, it doesn't always like cannabis will not always like decrease your anxiety. Not every strain, not every grove, every strain will decrease your anxiety. Some will amplify it, especially for me. Yeah. Yeah. Jesus just doesn't do that. I talk about how blueberry I can smoke it. It has some anti-anxiety effects. Jesus has the same effect for me. It doesn't have the ass kicking potency of chem dog. They can make you white out or feel like you're dumb speaking. We're like, you know, when you're speaking and everything you hear coming out of your mouth sounds stupid and nonsensical. It doesn't really have that effect for me, but it does have a lot of the the well-being effect. You know, super important. I think that's another reason why I like it. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's the main reason I smoke is for anti-anxiety. I get amped up too easy. And when I find something like that, that's very special. And even when when I was first given the cut by Bodhi, he's the first person to pass it to me back in the day. He was the first person I saw actually growing it and making crosses with it. It wasn't the skunk part that really made me hold on to it. It was the actual high from it that made me hold on to it. During that time, I don't remember a bunch of people actually actively chasing skunks, skunky smelling stuff when he passed it to me. But, you know, in a few years, that became very important. And it always baffled me that people had trouble finding it. And like, it's right here. Like it's been passed around. It's still alive. It's not hard to find. To this day, people still don't get that. But I think they're starting to a little bit. Unfortunately, there are a lot of really bad faith individuals selling fake clones of it right now on Instagram and whatever else online. So a lot of people's idea of what Jesus is, is very scared, very, very scared, which is why it's important to talk about the traits, you know? One of the other main traits in all super skunk that I talk about are the dog toe traits. And this it's basically a small, I don't know what you call those leaves, sucker leaves. A lot of people call them, but they are rounded around on the tip. They're kind of slightly like bent like this. Like you'll see it in sour pictures. Yeah, you'll see it in 91 pictures. You'll see it in all kinds of different shots. And it's not just that it has those. It's the distribution on the bud in a pattern that specifically leaves the look of super skunk. And that's like one of the quickest identifiers for super skunk stuff. Rarely, rarely have ever seen pictures of another plant that has that trait, that specific trait. I have seen it on. Oh, I want to say it was like a. Early girl clone from a high times magazine. But as we know, like high times use stock pictures and would call them certain things. So that's it's been as that's the only one anomalous picture I've ever seen. I tend to think it was probably a super skunk hybrid just being pushed in the magazine is that that one picture. But I can't say for sure, obviously. Historically, Matt, maybe now is a good time to talk about what kind of crosses did you think? Well, what kind of crosses did you make with it? And what else have you seen other people make with it that you feel, you know, has stood up or has been interesting or. So some of the first crosses I saw with it were Bode's. I think it was called Isaac Hayes. And now Yo Sammy has released a line called Isaac Hayes. But I don't know which one came first. I mean, it's two different continents, you know, like that it could have been simultaneous for all we know. The Isaac Hayes released by Bode was a diesel crossed to a seeds. Bangy Hayes. I can't remember off the top of my head. It was like a meow tie. Hayes of some old timers. Hayes, maybe Bangy Hayes was. But that was the first cross I'd ever seen of it. You can see a lot of super skunk types in that. And everybody that grew it absolutely loved it. And that's kind of what made me ask him for the clone in the first place. I was seeing him make that crossing pictures of it. It was absolutely gorgeous. When I got a hold of it, one of the other things I was chasing at the time was a clone called Superdog. The first time I'd ever seen pictures of diesel wasn't the rascal pictures. It was actually in the Cannibal from Jason King. And along with the diesel, there was also Snow Dog in there. There was Superdog. And Superdog was supposedly a Chem 91 mass super skunk, which sounds very similar to me to Chem Dog D. So I'd assume it would be something like that. So one of my first goals with the diesel, since it was very similar, was to recreate something like the Superdog because it wasn't available anywhere in my city or anyone I knew had the Superdog. But would come down of the Maui Superdog to San Diego. But that was rarely and it was pretty dank. So I was like, I want to recreate this with this. This is what we have. This is the closest it gets. So my first seed line with it, I believe, was the the Superdog 2010, I think it was called, maybe. That was my first real release with it. And I was really stoked with it. It was in Skunk Magazine. Another one that I did was the. Diesel crossed a chug night. Oh, no, it was diesel West Coast Dog, which is not related to Chem Dog. It was a scam cut line from Paradise Seeds Mod K1. He's had a million names. That is probably still around. And that that's like a Bubba type, but a little bit different. But it's a really nice plant. And that was the West Coast Dog crossed to the chug night. Oh, GBX one. I know, again, the chug night's been really popular to talk about on Instagram. The other day, I saw someone telling a story that the chug night was some clone that the rapper went to Nepal to go get to bring back. And it became OG, which is totally wrong. Chug night was a forum member. He was making like more lights, leopard cush, things like this. And the chug night cush was a Bubba. The chug night OG was probably the OG Bubba OG type back cross of some sort. If if he even went that far with it, I'm not sure. I didn't know should to know how much work he was actually doing or not doing. So yeah, that's I'm trying to think of what else I've made with it. I, of course, have the blooper skunk, the diesel cross to the blue bonnet, which is my by far my favorite diesel clone up until current time. And it's very, very skunky. They merge really well together. It's very true to keeping that beautiful, beautiful, diesel, super skunk look, but with a lot more resin, too. Yeah, that's probably one of my favorite lines to smoke with the diesel in it. I'm trying to think of what else I made with diesel. I tried to whap it with everything every year that I had it. But I think you're the other one I can think of is the triangle choke, right? Yes, thank you, the triangle choke. So that was during one of our diesel reversal, diesel reversals back in the day. We did. Oh, yeah. And there was also sourdough diesel that my buddy racer X made and released with us. That's one of my favorites of all time, too. The skunk spray cam just. It has to do with the theory that super skunk, that skunk smell is a double recessive. So when you cross two double recessives, which would be two super skunk types, displaying that type, so like a sour to a diesel, it will almost always just constantly throw that smell and skunkiness and gas. And it locks that in. And it's it's it's one of my favorite process for doing that. I mean, I can see why, right? It's if you've got your blue locked in and you've got the diesel, you know, super skunk locked in. Yeah, it's nice. And we had the triangle choke diesel. That was something I released with Kim dog, Greg is a collab, but didn't sell. Nobody bought it. I don't know why. Triangle Kush was kind of popular at the time, but not as well known, maybe. So like trying to trying to hit a hike that wasn't there at the time, didn't really work. So I popped in myself and I found a keeper and that's what we hit with the blue bonnet. And I was already doing some sour diesel blue bonnet, diesel blue bonnet. There are all sorts of different super skunks in there. Motorbath 15 blue bonnet, the sister S1 blue bonnet. So I wanted to throw in another one just to kind of see how that distribution were crossing into super skunk. And that's probably like one of the most beautiful, frosty, crazy, potent lines that came out of the blue bonnet crosses. And I think everybody pretty much universally likes it and finds something that they find to be a keeper somewhere in that line. Yeah, we have a bunch of pictures of it popular recently. Yeah, on our discord, there's tons of pictures of it. Scrutin and blue grouse have gotten beautiful pictures of it. One of my favorite looking cuts of it. Yeah, Chalice as well. Yeah. Yeah. Where are we at? You did mention S1s, but I was kind of curious. What else you might have seen when you did that? In the S1s? Yeah, in the S1s. So in the S1s, there is there is some heavy variation. I didn't think there would be as much variation as there was, because if it isn't S2, I would expect it to breed more true to type. But in saying that, there was like mango versions of it popping out, sweet versions popping out. It tended to keep the same structure and look for the most part. But some of them did have more of a more conical skunk one type bud structure. So it definitely showed more of the recessive skunk one in the S2s. Well, also. I'm sorry, the S1s, if it's a mass super skunk S2, it's still showing the variation of the super skunk or the skunk one inside of it. Yeah, I mean, it stuck mostly to the the savory skunk, the buttery skunk. And there was also some mango types. But that's mostly that the range it's stuck around. And it's skunk one hybrids. I tend to see a lot of that sweet generic mango. It's not really mango mango, but it's like a tropical tropical. Yeah, it's a generic sweet fruit tropical. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's cool. You did talk already about what you what you thought of it, what it is, obviously. So I don't know if we. I mean, yeah, I still think it's a super skunk S2. I really do, despite everything that was said about it in history. It just. You know, I could be wrong. I could be wrong, but there's always going to be some doubt there because I wasn't there, you know, but I do think it is pure super skunk. Well, it's probably not a bad time to actually just go into the into the drop. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. So CSI Humboldt first got the diesel cut in 2006 and ran it. We'd spoken about it over the years he dropped it after. And he was like, yeah, I don't know, man. I remember running it. I don't remember much about it. I'll be, you know, I'm not that interested in it. He doesn't really like diesels in the first place. So it was a hard sell to get the homie to run diesel. I was like, dude, you like skunky stuff. Stop, stop playing. Got it growing. And eventually he did. And that was a few years ago and he hit me up. He's like, Jesus, tell me more about it. You know, and that that felt really good because I like when when I tell someone something that I think is really special and someone as experienced as him agrees, I mean, he sees more stuff than probably anyone else I know, like more different variations of everything by doing massive seed pops, making tons of hybrids and interested him enough to work with it and we decided we were going to do a collab on it and he wanted to make some more S1 since I was all out of them and I don't know of any with great provenance out there that exists other than the ones that I did. So it was time to bang some out and we decided to make some hybrids as well. So we spent some months talking about what would be good pairings for the diesel crosses and, yeah, I think should I go through the list of what was hit or what's available, probably what's available. Probably what's available. I mean, we can go into what was hit just to generate more hype later. But yeah, it's true. Now with what's available. OK, so we have the Bubba Cush and the reasoning behind that was one of CSI's favorite plants was a Sour Bubba, one of my favorite plants was a Sour Bubba. And this is going to be very close, but I like diesel more than Sours. So I thought that this would be a good direction for it. So we wanted to do the ChemD diesel just to have an idea on my theory. If ChemD is in this plant, it'll either look like a ChemD, a feminized ChemD BX or it'll look like the first ChemD. And will we be I mean, will we be able to tell just by running a large population? I don't know, but it was something that we both like the idea of and wanted to see is it possible? Can we tell? Is there any way to define this? So that's why that was thrown at them. Dogshit is one of the Dogshit Electric Boogaloo, I should say. Its original name is Electric Boogaloo. But for all intents and purposes, we're calling it Dogshit because that's how it's cloaked, we all know, you know, everybody knows it is Dogshit. So that's what we're going with. Dogshit's one of the most famous clones that pretty much everyone universally loves when they try it. So that had to be in the room. It's, you know, some sort of probably an L5ase type, maybe not. At least don't case. I don't really know enough about it, but like it's history or it's a hard plant to nail down as far as turps on what it could be, but it seemed like a good pairing for the diesel. What else do we have in there? Before you go and like what do you have any sense of what to expect from that one? Or it seems like a wild card, right? That's a wild card. That's something that's more of a question for CSI. I don't have as much experience with Dogshit. I've only done one cross with it. I haven't run in a bunch. It's more of an older clone that took a long time to get to me. And maybe, sorry, we're on this note. What do you hope for from the Bubba diesel? You kind of mentioned the what was the comparison you had? Sour Bubba. Sour Bubba. Yeah. I mean, Bubba in itself is already like when you grow it certain ways and nail it. You can see expressions of OG Kush in it. You can see some of the Bubba expressions. There's all kinds of stuff in Bubba. When it's nailed, it can be super terpy. And because Jeele is also super, super terpy itself, it's just the sour Bubba's that we smoked before or just stellar, absolutely stellar high stellar turps. And because I like Jeezele more than sour and I think it's more terpy and less noxious offensive, I think it'll it'll be pretty insane. It'll be absolutely insane. So that's one of the reasons to do with that. It's also the same reason we went with Irene Kush. Large, large turp percents coming out of it. Very terpy, seems to merge well with other plants. And Jeezele in the S1s, you can find OG Kush smelling ish plants, not not identical, but in that direction. So we wanted to see if we can push Irene more in that direction of fine day, more terpy, skunky version of OG Kush by doing it. In my mind, that's why I wanted to do it. So I can only speak to myself on that and it made it through so stoked. The pineapple Jeezele, I do not know anything about pineapple. That's a humble NorCal type thing. That's something that Inspector wanted to use CSI. It's a large yielding outdoor plant that smells pineapple-y. I do have no clue how that's going to combine. We're about to find out, you know, like I love pineapple turf. Like the C99 pineapple is like a terpenaline pineapple type thing. I don't know if this is I don't think it's a terpenaline pineapple. It's just pineapple. I'm not sure if it's the pineapple type from Shaw. If it's the same cut or not, it may be, may not be. I do need to find out more about that one, but it is available. And of course, did the Sour Jeezele that's super skunk processive double up that I talked about earlier? Easy, easy money right there. Bam, easy, you know, it's going to come out dank as hell. Almost every time you mix two skunk types, it happens. And we wanted something readily available for people to find keepers in in very small amounts of seed pods. If someone wants super skunk, that's going to be the ticket, you know, Sour Diesel S ones have been very hard to make, very hard to come across. This is really close to what you would expect. And oh, but can I ask you one thing, even though it's not on the list, and I don't I don't know if it was even did you did you guys not do an Urkel? I don't think Urkel was ready at the time for the room and the reason it wasn't in there. A lot of that had to do with what do we have available? What's, you know, what's in cuts, what's rooted, what do we want to throw in? And of course, it was his first time reversing Jeezele. So like he wasn't sure if it was going to always it was going to be a successful reversal, so now that we know that, you know, he's capable of reversing it, nailing it really easy like I did, it probably going to be the next round or a future round. But yeah, that's kind of one that needs to happen. Urkel makes beautiful hybrids. Yeah, I mean, I do see that he I mean, again, I don't know if this one is one of the actual ones that's released yet, but there's a T1000, which I guess that's, you know, I remember talking about it. Now that you bring that up and that was going to be our closest to Urkel because it was discussed and we're like T1000s in there might as well, you know, run with that, see how it does. Makes sense. And I think the last one on the list is the 5150, which is his select cut of the Triangle Cush S1's big, yolder, super potent, super chirpy. And again, along the ideas of the Irene, we wanted a lot, but this is more like a larger yielding commercial Giesel that anybody who loves OG Cush loves Triangle will love this one. So that was our idea behind that one. And yeah, we just dropped these Christmas, I think it was. We decided to drop them and tonight I'm going to be packing and bring all kinds of shipping. So to make it really clear, they're available on your on your website, too. Yes, they're available on riotseats.com. They're also available on CSI or Humboldt CSI.com. So either place is great to grab them from. Check it out. All the freebies that are going to be with it are the sour diesel Giesel or you can buy it as well. Those are available to buy, but I'm going to be sending out sour diesel Giesel with these first orders. Very nice. So for outdoor people, I would probably recommend the pineapple Giesel because it's a proven outdoor plant. The dog shit Giesel, another proven outdoor plant. Irene does pretty well outdoors as long as it's not too humid. Bubba don't have humid outdoors. Again, Kendi does really well outdoors, too. So all of those are going to be good outdoors. Giesel does well outdoors, too. Giesel does great outdoors. It's not too dense. It doesn't mold too readily. Fast flowering. We're talking eight weeks, flowering time. You're not pushing any longer than that. She will her if you if you push her longer than that. So it's like it's the the gift that keeps on giving from the mass super skunk is the intersex traits. But when you get to this point in growing, like you learn to watch your plants take care of them. They're easily remedy, you know what I mean? So it's it's not anything I take into consideration. And she does breed more consistently non intersex than the actual plant is when you push her hard. I did want to project you about one more of the crosses that Caleb mentioned, but again, probably not in the release. The cookies, the times. Giesel, what do you think is going to come out of that? I mean, it's probably be along the Hercules type and OG type. You know, you probably see little segregation of both populations. Yeah. But yeah, there's also that like the F1 Derb was in there or no, no. Flowrider is the flowrider. Yeah, yeah. We have the LA Kush in there. We had the 56 day headband in there. Maui Wowie, his pure OG, which is the first cut of OG Kush that he ever got from Elk Slayer. So like we actually have like the old one of his older OG cuts in there. We have the snow, different kind of hash plants, sweet kind of hash plants across it, too. Chem one's also in there, which is more of an L5 haze type of chem. So yeah, those are definitely coming too, right? Yeah, they'll eventually be some of them. We didn't get a ton of seeds from so they may not be released and we're just going to run them to look and see. But some, yeah, eventually will be released like the bubble gum Giesel stuff like that. Cool. Very nice. And I mean, we've covered most of, I think, of the information that we wanted to cover. Was there anything you wanted to say about the codex? Do you want to add more stuff to it? Yes. So I really wanted to get to it over Christmas, but like some people know I've been dealing with like some health stuff and I've been figuring it out kind of what it is and it kept hitting a little bit during Christmas, so I didn't get to do as much as I wanted to with adding to the codex, but it's going to be a non-stop project. If you want to hear some more in detail about what we were talking about with like the different versions of the chem stories, what we think versus what's been established, the codex is a great place to go. Codex dot the breeder syndicate dot com. Our goal is this to be the best resource for historical clowns and historical lines. So you can go look at it and it's not going to be just my take on it. It's going to be several different takes on each thing. We market a speculative. If it's speculative, we market if it's for sure and there's no argument about what it is, that's there. You know, like we tried to think of all the variables that we could to cover all the bases so people understand the information that they're reading and how reliable it is, isn't or could possibly be. And yeah, I mean, between between both of us, we've put a lot of time and energy into it and I I'm really stoked about it. I think it's going to be one of the most important things that we do as the syndicate together. I really do. And I hope everyone else is stoked. I will say that this episode is also I think the first episode for the new year. So happy new year, everyone. And happy new year. And also I was kind of doing like a recap of 2023 with my girlfriend last night. And it actually kind of blows my mind that the codex was just earlier last year. Yeah. Yeah. Last year went really quickly. And that was one of the big things that happened last year. Look how much the show has changed and grown just the last year. Yeah, just the last year. Just the last year, I took it back, started producing it myself. You know, like all that happened within a year. Like it just it went crazy in a year. And where it's at versus where it's at now versus where it's at before. I really, really am proud of how far it's come. It's it's a big relief. I think we've doubled the number of subscribers in the last six months. I am pissed that my gamble of hitting 10,000 didn't happen. But but it's still the first week of January, so we're not done yet. So everybody like and subscribe because I want to hit the 10K mark. And I told you to hit it by January. God damn it, beginning of January, too, with that. So let's not make a liar of me. So let's do it. Go. I think I think that's mostly it to cover for diesel. If you guys have any questions or comments or concerns, if any of the chem fans want to chime in, the comments are below. I don't delete comments. You know, like I don't care if they're they're counterintuitive to to what I'm saying or disagree. It's a good place to have a conversation and we want to have meaningful, open conversations and transparent conversations. I do sometimes delete comments if they just straight toxic and non-constructive. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those ones if any people are being like mental and using it like their diary to shitpost, yeah, other than that, like, if it's if it's topic relevant, it stays and that's about it. Yeah. Leave your comments, please. We need the interaction. I have one shout out before I hand it over to you, Matt, to wrap up, which is Canna Cabana. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Canna Cabana is open and Kirby wants you to get a hold of him. He's ready. He's ready to book the episode. Yeah. So we're going to be doing an episode with the Canna Cabana crew. Not sure what we're going to talk about yet exactly, but it's going to be a fun one. Yeah, I'm stoked on it. For those who don't know that Canna Cabana is the longest running forum still active. It was originally built as a refuge for overgrow members after overgrow got popped and shut down, heaven stairway got popped and shut down. It was a private refuge and it was kept private and mostly secret. Like still a lot of a lot of people that are on the forums had never heard of it. Weren't invited there. You had to be invited by someone and vouched for to even get in. And as of January 1st, it's open. It's open to the public. So go check it out. Canna Cabana dot com and it's great people there. Me and CSI are going to be really active there as much as we possibly can. And the people who run it, Optimus Prime, D-Man, Skitty and Curbside, they're all legends in their own right, like all legends. So it's it's it'll be an honor to have them on. And to be able to discuss something that was so secret and private for so long out in the open is a real treat and look forward to that. So go check it out, go sign up. Great people, great conversations there. Lots of old data pictures, strain infos, the was it the free for all FFA is on there, which is an old mass super scone cross that was really dank. Most people don't know about pictures of that on there too. And it was called free for all because everybody would pass it around. It was free for all, but then it got locked. So there's that. I just wanted to add as well that it might seem odd to I don't know, talk about forums in 2023, but at the same time, they are so superior when it comes to information than over social media. There's just no there's no comparison. Also, the ways in which people can actually discuss things. You just don't get in like an Instagram post or yeah. So, you know, I mean, we have our discord that we talked about our Patreon discord where we do stuff like that. But the one thing I want to say is a lot of people that weren't around for the forum era and weren't a part of the forum culture. This is your way to understand that kind of culture that we talk about a lot, like how we interact with each other, how we build relationships and share clones, as opposed to like always trading or, you know, selling clones. I mean, a lot of you guys hear me. I don't like selling clone. I don't like I don't like when people have to go buy them because I know how many people are out there scamming right now versus even five years ago. A lot of that stuff was given in past as merit to show I trust you. You're my friend. You trust me. This is how we're going to show our trust. And that kind of culture is still alive there. And if you want to want to learn about it, you want to experience it. It's very alive there. And I can't I can't give a stronger wreck to a place that with that. I mean, do you have anything else? Yeah, that was that was it for me. I'm smashed it out, right? So with that, we have our Breeder Syndicate Patreon that I just mentioned. Go to patreon.com for slash Breeder Syndicate. It's five dollars a month. And basically that keeps most of the trolls out. If they make it in, we still boot them. We're being more aggressive about making sure that it's a fun environment and not and not depressing because, you know, sometimes some people can can take it there. And we're trying to to keep that that vibe really, really, really good. And a part of that is by keeping out trolls. A lot of people don't like that there is a dollar amount with it, but we try to make it affordable to cut like less than a Starbucks coffee now. You know what I mean, like for for a month. And, you know, we watch fights together there. We also have our tier where you can, you know, get packages every three months or so. And it comes loaded. It's really cool. Different breeders, you know, a lot of it's unreleased stuff or seem to be released stuff that you get a first crack at. So check that out. That's the top tier. What else we have? We have our Codex, obviously, that we talked about codex.thebreedersyndicate.com. The treasure trove of information that we are going to constantly be adding to until the day I stop breathing. So I'm very proud of it. I know a thousand is I'm proud of his work on it and all the time that he put in to making that beautiful. What else do we have? What am I forgetting? I know I'm forgetting something. Oh, just the banks. Yes, we have Gurt by Seeds in Australia. We have Wright Seaco Europe for our European fellas. We also have lifted seeds. Great guy out of the NorCal. You can get our stuff in there. I'll other people from the syndicate stuff there. And we have, of course, right seeds.com where you can get my reversal spray. That's where the diesel S ones and hybrids are. And yeah, there's all kinds of other stuff there. And if you're part of the patreon, you can save some money up to 30% just for spending five dollars a month. So that's a big, big savings. Like people use that all the time and it works great. So I think that's it. I want everyone to have a happy and safe new year. And be good to each other unless unless people are scumbags and don't be good to them. That's it. I guess, yeah, with that, we'll see you next week. And that's it. Want to sit at the table with the syndicate? Check out our Patreon and our link tree or description below. Our merch site is officially live. We have all sorts of shirts, hoodies and goodies to sort you out. And shipping is super fast. And most importantly, the quality is top notch. I've been saving old designs for years for this purpose. So please check it out syndicategear.com. We also have an underground syndicate discord where we get together and solve old strain history together daily. It's an amazing community of learning away from IG. And it's an amazing resource for old catalogs and knowledge. We hope you join our union of breeders and growers. Come check it out.