 Live from San Francisco, it's theCUBE, covering Red Hat Summit 2016. Brought to you by Red Hat. Now here are your hosts, Stu Miniman and Brian Graceley. Welcome back, happy to welcome to the program the first time guest on theCUBE and fresh off the keynote, Sven Lohberg who is the open source lead, global open source lead for Accenture. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. Great, so first time on the program, we're obviously quite familiar with Accenture, I think most of our audience is, but can you tell us a little bit about your background and your role at Accenture? Sure, absolutely, so thanks Stu. So what I do within Accenture, you mentioned open source, so part of our emerging technology practice and also then lead up open source. And so certainly those are very synergistic as we look to the future of what we're doing to develop new capabilities, incubating new emerging technologies and also then looking to where those sources of innovation are coming from. How that is open source based is really innovation is now seen as a driver of innovation. And so the role is really working within Accenture as well as externally to spread the word around open source and our involvement in communities as well as getting Accenture as a whole to use more open source, contribute to open source as we really kind of started to pivot around some of the new technologies that are largely open source based when you think of the big datas, you think of the web 2.0s, the analytics, all those are open source for the most part and driven by open source technologies versus some of the proprietary ones that maybe led some of the previous technology trends in the past. So obviously you've got the partnership with Red Hat here. Can you speak to though the kind of the contribution, the breadth and the depth of what Accenture does with open source? So absolutely, so you mentioned Red Hat, so yeah, we definitely have a number of open source alliances that we work with. Red Hat's certainly one of those strategic ones that we have, really how we do it. We combine some of our industry expertise with then open source as far as whether it be components or just some of the innovation that we're thinking about to build various industry assets that leverage open source as well as those industry expertise items. So whether it be around financial services or telecommunications, some of the things I talked about today with the keynote around Accenture Video Services or also our connected platform as a service as well as then some of the intelligent orchestration all driven by open source as well as now contributing a lot of those things to the community which is certainly a big aspect of kind of what I look to do. When you think about Accenture, you mentioned we are well known, very large and that's exciting when you start thinking about the 40,000 Java developers and other professionals that we have. What if we get five or 10% of those that start regularly contributing to a particular open source project? That could be quite powerful. A lot of the things that we do on clients or do internally, getting that more in the open, driving that transparency and the innovation and collaboration with our clients, that's what's exciting as far as about it and what we're looking to do with open source around our strategy as we gauge with the different partners that we have as far as the different alliances around Red Hat sort of being one of those that certainly is strategic. Do you have any, you talked about what if, is there a roadmap, is there any, how many people are actually contributing to open source or how you incent people inside Accenture? So I mean, kind of the journey that we've taken is, and it's not necessarily new, our contributions, it's just the scale and the pace of it. So it certainly contributed to Spring Batch almost well over a decade now as far as some of our early contributions that we've made and really what it is as far as how can we accelerate that of what we're doing within the community. So that's in the sense of what we've started to do around inner source, so that was something that we started about eight years ago now. So inner source was kind of introducing the concept of community driven development within the enterprise, getting people to use continuous integration, continuous delivery pipelines as part of the tools they're using but also then driving the culture aspect as well was important. That was something that we did, we now have over 3,000 projects internally. What we'd like to do as far as we now have our open source GitHub page, internal a lot of those things that were done internally now, let's now put those externally. So think about, if we had 3,000 internally, think about even if we had 10% of those right now being open source and what we've seen interesting is as we've opened them into the broader community like our open DevOps platform for example, completely open source based around just that DevOps and CI CD aspects of it and using things like OpenShift or using things like containerization technologies as well as we've seen an increase internally as far as to the contribution of those projects. So some of these projects have been around for two or three years internally but now if we've open sourced them we've got a whole new group of people within Accenture that are excited about contributing to those projects which is at first somewhat counterintuitive we've now made it visible, maybe that's scary but what we're seeing is particularly when we think about Accenture, there's a lot of millennials and that's what they crave. They want to be kind of part of communities, they want a bit of the external recognition. We also do a bit of gamification around it as well. So we try to reward then people that are doing some of the top contributions to those different projects and also giving greater kind of points then to people that create new projects which is kind of how we're looking to accelerate it and translate that to what we were doing internally as well as externally. Then also kind of at an enterprise level working with some more folks within our products and platform group what's now previously was called Accenture Software which is okay, how can we take a lot of those things that were previously proprietary or maybe even used open source but they were necessarily kind of highlighted in that sense but a lot of them are now becoming platforms, SaaS solutions, so it's all about how can they use more open source. Now there's a number of reasons they're doing that certainly because of a cost aspect to get the price per use down but also because a lot of the innovation they're seeing is simplifying some of their stack as well where in some cases they may have had three or four different proprietary tools and now they can replace them with an end-to-end solution that's open source based. Yeah Accenture works with some of the largest companies in the world, almost every industry in the world. What's the pulse that you're hearing from customers in terms of not only open source but just wanting to use innovative new technologies, wanting to sort of change their business models. What are you hearing from them and what are the types of things that you're hearing from them that are driving your open source initiatives? So I mean certainly a lot of things that I take time talking with clients about is kind of their next generation application architectures and so this is really an opportunity for them to re-evaluate kind of their strategy, their people strategy where maybe before they were saying hey we're gonna have really specialization in what our folks do as well as our expectations of some of the partners that we work with like Accenture and some of those right at driving so we need now more full stack developers, somebody that can be holistic, that can work within smaller teams which means they need to have a greater tool set to do some of those implementations and they're also seeing it frankly as an opportunity to take some of those emerging technologies and kind of insource them in the sense of build those capabilities themselves but then they also get to an inflection point where they now need someone like Accenture to be part of what some of the new reference implementations they're building and then scale them out and certainly that's where we work with them extensively certainly some of the initial implementations but then also when they need to scale so certainly those are some trends that we're seeing around as clients and look at that and certainly the open source angle there is of course a lot of what they're then looking to do is a next generation application architectures leveraging open source which also triggers a couple other behaviors so it's a different way of doing talent acquisition so for example before maybe it'd been a proprietary stack that they were using and they needed to kind of attract some of the millennials and how do they do that? Certainly open source is a big magnet for that how they can bring in talent but also then they understand that that technology that the millennials are working on is coming from an open source community and that they may not necessarily be around for 10, 15, 20 years anymore they're more likely to just be there for a couple years and so it's the expectation how can they still attract those but then the interesting thing is the aspect that they'll also then leave but then if they're working on some of those projects they'll also continue to contribute which is an interesting aspect well now you're actually still getting benefit and kind of the relationships that you've built within those communities after they're no longer employees which is certainly kind of an interesting twist and kind of the benefit of them also being part of communities which also means okay it's going back to the help of the communities and drawing innovation that the importance of engagement and participation in those which is then kind of you're asking what is now clients think of Forest Accenture which is what we're seeing also is that there's an expectation that you're not just a user of a particular open source component or project to have expertise that means you're involved in those communities, you're contributing so it's very common now to say okay well what are you contributing to this particular community if you say you're going to bid on this particular piece of work and that's certainly an important aspect as well because now it really matters to them certainly whether you have the expertise but also are you also giving to that community that now I'm dependent on as far as as a client so those are a couple of different things that we're seeing as far as clients use more open source and then their expectations around what we're doing and other partners are doing grows as well. So it sounds like pretty radical change around intellectual property ownership human assets, human capital, keeping them around thinking about them as a community as opposed to individuals maybe thinking about longevity of projects and so forth all that sounds like it's radically changing because of open source, because of the new millennial generation coming in, different workforce, different expectations I would think. That's right Brian, exactly so and that certainly will continue to do plenty of proprietary development and frankly a lot of the proprietary product companies today they're recognizing that as well they're adopting open source and so they're also going to pivot a bit as well certainly and so there is a bit of a balance there but absolutely, definitely seeing a lot of disruption really just what we coach our clients and try to do ourselves is we'd like to be the ones disrupting versus being the one disrupted and that's really what, having that agility and the ability to change is really going to be what's keeping us as well as our clients as high performers in the market. Sven so in your keynote just earlier you announced increased participation and increased support for the Linux Foundation. Can you explain why Accenture's doing this and what's important about it? Yeah absolutely good question, good comment as far as so we did that in combination a little bit of with our cyber security lab that we just launched in Tel Aviv in Israel which is our seventh lab which is really about kind of harnessing some of the R&D and the innovation that we're doing in this case around some of the cyber security things that are going around and obviously the importance of that to our clients. So certainly there was the aspect of what could we then from an innovation perspective bring but also it was the ideas that we particularly for in this case the core infrastructure initiative as part of the Linux Foundation was that there was an underlying need and importance to be involved not just in some of the kind of more sexy kind of cyber security innovations but also recognize that we need to be contributing and giving back to some of the underlying technologies really that sometimes get forgotten about some things like as far as how to keep time on the internet the network time protocol things or open SSL which people only start caring about when there's a vulnerability identified and then everyone cares about it but what happens over the time when it's not in the news which is hopefully the greater portion of that and so the core infrastructure initiative was a way that we could be contributing and kind of building that recognition internally as well as externally the importance of that and also somewhat set of presidents so in this case the core initiative is really led by a lot of the traditional kind of technology companies from a software perspective the Cisco and others that okay that's part of their core business right as far as network and aspects but what about the system integrators as well so that was what we were setting the tone there saying hey as a global system integrator this is important to us it's important to our clients really as the broader ecosystem and so we wanted to kind of set the tone there as kind of a leader in that space hoping then that others will follow. All right Sven I want to give you the last word here as people come out of Red Hat Summit where does Accenture fit into the discussion what are some of the top conversations you're having that you'd want the broad audience to understand about? So certainly there's been a lot of buzz so the summit's been a fantastic event this year certainly lots of collaboration which is what you would expect from a group of open source community participants getting together and doing certainly what we're seeing around our connected platform as a service a lot of talk certainly around IoT a lot of great demos this week so we're seeing a lot of buzz around that people are certainly resonating with some of the things that we've done in the industry space around IoT and looking to see how can we partner with them bringing it to things like our liquid studio in Redwood City where we can kind of innovate and do early prototypes for them and bring it to market faster so those are some of the things that we're excited about as we move forward with open source as well as our clients as we both kind of take that journey as you're pointing out that it's really kind of a revolution of types as it becomes a very disruptive but also beneficial change that's going on within the marketplace. All right, well, Svenloberg talking about communities welcome to the CUBE alumni community also thanks for giving us the updates on Accenture we'll be back with more coverage from Red Hat Summit 2016 here in San Francisco you're watching the CUBE.