 You listened to the previous dialogue. Yes. And I don't know you to take notes, but apparently you did. There were some issues. I want to dive into those, please. First thing. And I heard a guy, a podcaster, friend, comedian that we love, Jared Freed. And he said something like, I love a make out. You know, like I can be really turned on by a make out. I can think about that. They introduced me to this person. Yeah. I love a make out. And I mean, I think we have it in our heads that guys just want to fuck. You know, they just want to. And some guys do. But like, let's just talk about kind of like the. And some do. Yeah, exactly. But you can have a hot, sexy make out. You can do, you know, hand stuff, like whatever it is. And it doesn't have to be. You don't have to have sex. Yeah, guys like a make out, but we like to fuck. You're going to speak as a representative for all penis carriers. Not all, but the majority. A lot of guys, most of us are not going to be satisfied with just a make out session. There are some that will be. I'm not saying all of them. But for the majority, I would say probably 70, 30 want sex. I should have worn my t-shirt. I have a t-shirt that says just so we're clear. All I want to do tonight is kiss. And I would say just so we're clear. I'm not coming over. Great. Perfect. Don't start my engine if we're not going anywhere. Okay. Can we define how long a make out session is going to go for? Like if we're talking like a quick, you know, interaction, that's fine. But if you're going 10, 15 minutes of making out, like at this point. That's how long makeouts are. Well, then no, don't, don't, don't, just know that most. Just don't do it. Be aware of the time. Be aware of the time spent making out. Because the. What's the ideal time we're on it? For me? So it's like comfortable where you're like, if it's not going anywhere. Right. If it's not going anywhere, let's keep it to 90 seconds or less. Whoa. 90 seconds. Like I just feel like we need to get rid of this playbook that this happens and then this happens and then this happens, you know? But I think you can set it up ahead of time a little bit. Like with what you say, like, hey, let's just make out. Like say it straight up, you know, when you feel like you're going home with a guy or he's coming home with you or whatever it may be. Like, hey, like let's just like make out full around. And that sounds like something our parents would say, but, or I want to take it slow or something like that. Yeah. It's not actually kind of hot to me when someone said let's fool around. Yeah. There's something that's really nostalgic and kinky and fun and playful about that. Rather than like, I want to fuck you. Right. Which is what people go to on Tinder. You can just say, hey, I just want to hang out and watch a movie and that's it. Like I don't, I don't even want to make out. If I, if I'm aware that making out is kind of like a thing for you that's going to make you want more. Let's just hang out and watch a movie. Let's not do anything further than that. And that's good too. Because if a guy can't do that with you, then he's not really there to get to know you anyways. And it just kind of proves the point that he's only there for sex. So it's not a bad, you know, strategy to just, if you feel not even a strategy, it's just being honest. If you feel like you have to have sex to make somebody, you're to not let somebody down. Like that's for one, I would not want, I wouldn't want to have sex with somebody that was doing it for that reason. But two, just be honest and don't have sex with that person. Because if you feel like you're going to let them down by not having sex with them, there's something, something's off right there, right? Like there's obviously some type of pressure that he's or she's putting on you that's going to make you feel like this is all they want. This is what they're after. They're not really here for me. So just be honest and tell them you don't want to have sex. You don't want to have to say that beforehand. It's not sexy, you know? And I think most decent guys don't need that either. Like they can follow your cues. And if you say like, hey, can we just slow down a minute? They know what that means. But if you feel more comfortable saying it beforehand, I think that's fine too. You know, one thing I thought about this a lot. I thought I think about, especially being in like the comedic space, like the Aziz situation. Yes, I think about that a lot. And I have a lot of thoughts. I think, you know, he should have been the adult in that situation. And he, you know, it was much older. He's a rich man, you know, this was this woman that looked up, this young woman that looked up to him and, you know, but I've read that, you know, I read her whole story and I was like, she like wanted to leave, but like also wanted something more from him. And it was this like push and pull. And, you know, I'm sure she felt like I can't, I don't know how to say the right thing to like get out of this situation. You know what I mean? But also I like kind of want, you know, him to be my boyfriend. Like it was like over here. It was really relatable. It was relatable. Yeah, I felt that of like you have already done something like you've, they've gone down on you or something and you feel like you owe them. And like it would be so awkward or upset them to be like, I'm going to go now and get an Uber, you know? So I also think it's a age and like a practice. I've been in, you know, the preemptive stages of a make-out session and I'll go to grab the booty. And then, you know, we have a little hand tap. Like to me, that's the moment right there. And I've had that happen. She's like, hey, you know, I'm not really comfortable doing that. Can we just kiss? I'm like, that's fine. I keep my hands on your waist. No problem. And I'll never see you again. And I'll never see you again. No, but. Which is okay. No, but I appreciate that honesty in that moment because I don't want to, I don't want to make somebody feel bad. And I have done that before. I have been similar to the Z situation where it's like, oh no, you know, come on. Like I've been told, oh, I don't want to kiss. And I've kind of came back and, you know, kissed the neck again or done this. And fortunately, I had somebody that was patient with me and sat me down and explained to me what I was doing. And, you know, I had to be made aware. And then once I was, I felt like a piece of shit. And there was something that I made sure I didn't do again. But I think that the communication is vital. You know, had she not told me what had happened or not what happened, had she not told me how she had felt and instead, you know, maybe went along with what was happening, she may have felt terrible. Then I would have felt terrible the next day. Who knows how that whole situation plays out. But the fact that she was just like, hey, no, like understand this is what's happening. I need you to really stop and respect what I'm telling you. At that moment, it just, it cooled my jets completely. And then I'm just like, okay, I'm sorry. So again, I just think communication. And like you said, when you sense that moment happening, when you sense something getting amped up to a level that you're not comfortable with, that's the moment right there to just say, hey, you know, I'm enjoying what we're doing right now, but can we just keep it here or lower? I don't want to take it to the next level. Also, you know, we're in a better place. Women post me too than we were prior, you know, like it woke up a lot of men had them start thinking about like, oh shit, have I pressured a woman into sex or have I been predatory or things like that? So again, there's still terrible guys out there that will pressure you and force you into non-consensual things again. Like I can't stress it off, but I think guys are a lot better about it. And you know, we've even gotten emails from girls where the guys have taken it to an unsexy level where they're like, can I do this? Can I do this? Can I touch you here? You know, where it's almost like they're wanting too much consent. Yes. And we're like, we've gotten emails of like, why did he do this? Because he's trying to get explicit consent for everything he does. I think that you're right. I think that a lot of that is changing. And me too, probably was a huge catalyst for that because it did kind of just force a mirror in front of a lot of guys, every man's face and not only that, but it just pushed that shit to the front of, you know, media, social media, all that and made people actually pay attention to it. Back to my list. Back to the notes. You sometimes have sex to avoid the awkward moment. Yes. To the know when like, is he gonna be upset? We should fear making y'all uncomfortable. Like that's another thing that y'all have way more options than us. Now you may not take those options, but you have way more options than we do, I believe. This is my personal opinion. So I feel like, understand that y'all are actually the prize in almost all the situations, even if you think that he's the prize, he's not, you are. Can we talk about blue balls and how that's like, I think that's a stupid myth, you know. It's actually true. But it's like, you're gonna be fine. You're gonna be fine. Yeah. A thousand percent. You know, like, let's not let. It's like a Charlie horse, but way less painful. And you can jerk off. Yes. Like, whatever. Which just gets off, which happens too. You're like, I don't, that's just going back to our initial conversation of like, these things that make you feel pressured to have sex with somebody. Let's not let that be one of them. Oh, a thousand percent. Let's take that off the table completely. I just had to get it out there. You guys are absolutely insane. If you think blue balls is 10% of a Charlie horse. You're unqualified to speak on blue balls. There's a medical look. A Charlie horse is extremely painful. It's not blue balls. Let me tell you that right now. Do you know? The way that people respond to Charlie horses, I have not seen somebody respond with blue balls. That was my reference point. A Charlie horse will have you writhing in pain. Have you seen somebody experiencing full blown? Yeah, I have it. I've never seen one. Full blown epidimal hypertension. Go ahead and read. You're excited. Oh, I'm sorry. Epidemol. You're a doctor. Epidetimus, right? Epidetimus. Yes, yes. Epidetimal. Epidetimal. Epidemomal. Epidemomal. Epidetimum. Epidemomal. Epidemomal. Epidetimus. It was in the notes. Have you ever seen this is agonizing. It is excruciating. It's like, it's 10% of childbirth. Lowes. 10%. Lowes. I would die on that mountain. I would die on this hill. Blue balls is 10% of childbirth. It is terrible. You're literally just sitting there with your ball sacs swollen to all hell. And then the thought that oh, just go jerk off. It doesn't work like that because I'm over here pounding this thing. What do you think my hands hitting my balls, which are swollen and in pain? So no, it's hard. You can't jerk off with blue balls. You got to ride that shit out. You know what you can do? Ice it. That's the only thing you can do. You got to ice the balls. No, for like an hour. You've had genuine like what I've had genuine pain, like real legitimate. Like I can't be kicked in the nutsack. Yes. Very much so. Except the differences is getting kicked in the nutsack is an instant pain that goes away, you know, hopefully 10, 15 minutes within that window. You get, you know, it's done. Blue balls is that feeling except constant over the course of an hour to three hours. So being kicked in the balls for three hours. Basically, yes. I can't tell if you're skeptical or learning. I don't know either. It's not like a full kick right now. It's not it's not it's not that one, but it's the pain that you're left with after the impact. It's that just that dole aching constant throbbing pain and it's terrible. And every time your blood pumps, you feel it because it just moves a little bit in your ball sack and it's just. Well, neither one of us can confirm or deny this, even though I did want to note that there's such a thing as blue vulva as well, which is also a condition that happens when it's not terrible is left in an engorged vulva. And I've had you resolve that. It's the same way to write it out. You don't. I've never heard anyone needing another apparatus. I think it's just you write it out or you massage it out. You massage the blood out of the region. Y'all can do that. We can't. You can't massage out your balls. You did have a good point. I will be. I'll give you that. That was my brain. Jack off. So I can just beat what hurts. Yeah, I can see that. But I guess I've had multiple conversations and I've watched several videos. I've never heard someone describe it quite as painfully as you, which makes me feel like do I send you to a doctor or do I now go back to school to learn more? Or is it a mix of both? I think it's a mix of. No, you just need to learn more. Okay. It might be a mix of both, but it is wrong with you or unity urologist or I need more education. I think the men that watch this video will agree with me that it is way worse than what y'all because you have heard before that blue balls is considered a myth and it's a thing that men are taught to say is a script for coercion. Well, I mean, if you're using that as your like that's if that's your line to try to have like just pack it up, buddy. This is where I usually pop in to say go and listen to the full episode wherever you get your podcast. But my analytics show that many of you have been doing that. So I'm going to pop in this time to say thank you. I know that it's a different platform and medium and some of you aren't traditionally podcast listeners, but the company that I work with really wants to prioritize an audio experience and we really prioritize an audio experience and I'm really grateful that you have been following the show and that you've been enjoying the show over there. Of course, as always, I love to see you here, but it's just nice to spend a bit more intimate and intentional time together on the podcast. So shout out to all of you who have been doing just that this episode. This is a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun and to me it's a kind of episode that I wish I listened to at age. I want to say 14, but yeah, 14.