 You're gonna find out in today's show. All right. It's stay tuned. I'll be surprised to everyone except Tom No, if you've actually read the lineup you shouldn't be surprised at all. I mean I was teeing you up I thought you were doing yeah Roger should know better. I don't know why Because it's a good day it's a good day internet, you know, I was looking at because when I was doing real quick real quick I want to apologize now that we're on YouTube to for the echoing That was in the recorded versions of good day internet and DTNS on Tuesday I have this thing called USB pass through that lets me take anything I'm playing on my computer and send it back to Sarah and Roger But what it also does is send Sarah and Roger back to themselves as well Which is why it was really doing this Echo echo echo you actually don't hear it because it's me talking say something Hey, Sarah here. Am I echoing? Yes, you would have been echoing in the recorded version, but Exactly so they didn't notice because they don't hear it. It only goes into the recorded version if I forget so Apologies for that. Okay. Well, you were going to say I Don't remember I Am going to run a Backup of the show audio. Yes, that's a good idea Just let me know when you get a start. I will press the magic button Excellent Sarah it's Sarah's turn to kick off the show I was wondering when you were gonna ask me to do that again. I guess today is the day. Oh I remember of when I was doing a daily tech headlines this morning You know, I'm in our subreddit and I see a little screenshot of myself on the right hand side from the old studio in my other room and I was like Missed that one. Oh, yeah, like give this a little, you know, give it a little love Make it look a little bit more like the way I had it before Yeah, I liked it that way Okay, whenever Justin, are you ready? I'm ready to roll. Okay. Here we go three two Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash supports This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, July 5th 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane Moklin, California. I'm Justin Robert. Yeah, and of course with us is our producer Roger Chang everyone It's kind of creepy today Hey, how you doing kind of a breathy thing. Yeah. No, it's good. I like it Hey So folks may start to notice if you're on the public DTNS feed that an advertisement may pop in occasionally We have no idea what those are but we do know they're happening They're part of an agreement with a cast for the public only version if you're a patron and you're like well, hold on I don't want ads. I'm a patron go to patreon.com slash DTNS Look at the monthly post that I just posted today. 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So those are your options Now let's start with a few tech things you should know Kenya the country will use alphabets project loon to cover the country with a high speed internet access particularly in rural areas Kenya's ICT minister said on Thursday project loon was developed by alphabets X the company's innovation lab Exciting to see how that works sources tell c-tech that Apple told Intel Game of telephone that it will not use the chip makers radio chips in its 2020 iPhones Apple reportedly was the primary customer for the combined 5g Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chip sources say Intel has now halted development of the product Hmm Vte named juji young as its new CEO He is a 20-year veteran of the company who formerly headed up the company's business in Germany Zte also named a new CFO CTO and a new head of HR earlier this week The US Commerce Department said it would grant a one-month waiver to some companies to resume doing business with ZTE Analyst Meng Qiqiu reports that the upcoming 6.5 inch OLED iPhone model should be priced around $1,000 like the current iPhone 10 and will also feature dual SIM capabilities Quo reports that there's an also a 6.1 inch LCD phone iPhone 10 Style device that should retail for about $700 the 6.5 inch phone will possibly come in black white and a new form of gold The entry level 6.1 inch LCD iPhone will apparently debut in gray white blue red and orange So says quo taste the ring quo Tender like the new loops feature that will add two second looping videos to your profile in addition to still photos The feature is live for iOS users in the US UK Canada and some parts of Western Europe Asia and the Middle East Loop it tinder loops part of this nutritious breakfast Let's talk a little more about Amazon Bloomberg sources say the big a plans to publish a paper holiday toy catalog to be delivered through the mail as well as Distributed through Whole Foods locations Toys R Us used to put out the hundred page big book a staple of holiday toy buying But it's our asses bankrupt So they won't be doing that anymore Target in Walmart also published holiday toy catalogs They will continue to do that and the sources said Amazon considered buying toys are us locations earlier this year Amazon's not commenting so we don't know what became of that But I mean for my generation it was the wishbook Sears and JC penny But it's a time-honored tradition at least in the United States to go through and circle the toys you want and The hopes that somehow Santa finds out well That was what I was going to ask Roger as that you know Resident parent of the group here is like is this something that kids still do I have never seen the toys Catalog but I also my parents kept me out at toys restores because they you know for obvious reasons because I just wanted everything So it's hard to judge because my kid isn't that old enough to like point at things and like bye bye bye Repeatedly, but I do see the attraction because it's one of those things that in a way It's advertisement, but it's it has a ripple effect, right? You like somebody takes it and they can rip out a page and they can bring it to sounds like this is what I want Or a kid might take out a page and paste it on the refrigerator with the circle says this is what I want It's a way to kind of indelibly connect the need from the parent or need from the child and Focus it intensely on the parent where we got so much trouble if we rip the pages out Gets the rules. Oh my I like that's why I like kind of breathed in when Roger said that my parents didn't care like he comes every year Okay, so let's let's say so Whole Foods, right? So I'm at Whole Foods later today, which I will be there's a catalog there You know some kids kind of leafing through it and screaming and I want this toy like that's the idea, right? And it's something that Amazon would Can you imagine the syrupy? Nostalgia pros that we will read in 50 years About how you knew it was the holiday season because mother and father picked up the Amazon catalog and scan the QR codes that would become your wishes later in the year I think like this is smart They have the physical places to do it the idea that they looked at Toys R Us is very interesting because I think now we are watching the bottoming out of big retail chains or at least the the price ripening for somebody like Amazon to say no we can do retail Better the question is exactly how that how that works out But this makes sense because now they have physical places where they can distribute it No Amazon Target and and Walmart are all Chomping at the bit to eat up. What was Toys R Us's toy market? Yeah The European Parliament voted 318 to 278 to send the revised copyright directives Including controversial articles article 11 which would extend copyright protection to in full to publishers of press Publications with the intent to stop products like Google news from scraping text from articles without paying a fee and also article 13 Which would require information society service providers that store and provide to the public access to large amounts of works or other subject matter uploaded by their users to Prevent the availability on their services of works or other subject matter Identified by right holders the directive mentions the use of effective content recognition technologies as an example I have to say what the EU Parliament did here was was in majority anyway say hey, you know what? Right idea wrong implementation. This is going to cause a lot of problems if we put it in this way Let's send it back for debate and take another stab at it, which is actually what you should do Yes, let's let's organize a committee to send it to another committee So we might then discuss the right leadness of its committee worthiness well and From what I understand and again, I you know, I'm following this all from afar is Particularly article 13 the idea that let's say YouTube as an example if you have to if everything has to be Scanned at upload right rather than Looked at later on how that changes the Copyright issues between the company and all of its users. It's kind of a mess. It's a potential mess Well, there is yeah, that's the problem is they're saying we need you to do something to prevent the uploading of copyrighted works We're not taking away your safe harbor as long as you do that But like you say that that just turns it into a mess doesn't yeah it does The register reports that UK Metropolitan Police Commissioner Crescent of Dick said trials of automated facial recognition Recognition systems were expected by the public despite criticism that the technology is quote almost entirely Inaccurate and would lead to lots of arrests and quote the London not lead to a lots of arrests I'm sorry to interrupt you a lot of arrests. Sorry. Let me read it again quote Almost entirely inaccurate and wouldn't lead to lots of arrests. I got there enough because there was another quote inside the quote Apology, that's my fault the London force has been deploying the technology at public events Like concerts festivals and soccer matches Mobile CCTV cameras are used to scan crowds and try to match images of faces to mug shots of wanted individuals According to data released under the UK's freedom of information laws the Metropolitan's AFR system has a 98% False positive rate meaning that 98% of the quote-unquote matches it makes are of innocent people Oh, but why wouldn't they want to do it anyway? Listen Police Commissioner dick is saying I think it's fine for us to test this We're not making arrests based on it yet And of course it's bad right now because it's new but it won't get better until we test it That's reasonable, but it's sidesteps the whole thing about should you be doing it at all? Yeah Look, this is not something I think whenever anybody Wants to put the phrase is new emerging technology and the ability to be arrested in the same sentence I think there is a right a rightful pause But yeah What they're doing is the right way to do it to say we're not using it to make arrests But make that clear and and then just debate like do we need to be using this at all yet? This is Is it up to the police to be getting this to the point where they should be using it? Shouldn't this be a technology? How you make sure it works for the police is have the police tested. I think that's reasonable Yeah, I I think having the commissioners say well the public expects us to do this Especially at you know at a soccer match or yeah some some place where a lot of people are it's not working Well, but everyone thinks that we're gonna do this anyway, so you know have to start somewhere and that's the problem. It's All right, it's time for me to introduce you to num tots I'm fascinated by this. It's not a food. I'm very sorry about that The Guardian has a piece about the rising popularity of the Facebook group new urbanist memes for transit-oriented teens or num tots a Post highlighted by The Guardian for instance says yeah sex is cool But have you ever fantasized about an infrastructure renewal program funded by the taxes of billionaires who hasn't that's the gives you the general sense of the num tops page The URL is facebook.com slash groups slash. What would Jane Jacobs do? Referring to Jane Jacobs the author of the death and life of great American cities The group was co-founded in March by Juliet Eldred and Emily Orenstein from the University of Chicago with Jonathan Marty of New York University following a heated disagreement They had with some other people on the internet about the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act of 1956 The group from March till now has gone to 95,000 members plus and It's it's the classic meme type thing you see in all of these horrible fake news Political things you see but it's about urban renewal and transit and an urban design And I just found it fascinating I know it's probably not the only example of this but is it just a passing fan of Gen Y and Millennials because it's sort of absurd or Does it portents some hot new trend of urbanism? well, I think that the question here is whether or not it's You know leads to greater political viability for these kinds of plans I mean the idea of the the memification of politics is real and it is here And there are certain segments of the political populace for which pride themselves on their memes and their S posting if you will so This is I think an outgrowth of that certainly a very nerdy one. It's a parody of it honestly Well, I do think that there is an earnestness to the idea that that these guys want a better Sense of I think that's true, but they're also not taking themselves too seriously, which is part of the charm of it as well Yeah, but that's inherently in the meme. Sure. Sure. There's there's an element of self-effacing You know an acknowledgement of the facts even if they might be embarrassing that kind of goes hand-in-hand with a meme I'm just saying if a SimCity 3000 playlist gets you excited Go sign up You said before the show started that you were accepted into they did they approved my I'm not part of the group I Like a full report tomorrow. All right, excellent. Oh, you you you numtot you It's like yeah, what's that like wired and tired like tired nimbies wired numtots If anyone got that then I'm here There is a lot of talk about yinbis on numtots Yes, yinbis versus the nimbis. I don't know. I I'm I'm I'm I'm both depends on if it's the fourth of July or not At the 2018 by-do creator developer conference happening in Beijing this week The company announced its partnering with Intel to deploy Israeli developer mobile eyes technology into autonomous vehicle effort project Apollo by do plans to merge mobile eyes responsibility sensitive safety It's an acronym that is RSS although. I think that's a terrible idea. So I'm not gonna call it that Model on to code of the commercial Apollo Drive program and Apollo pilot Which is the deployment version of project Apollo by do will also use mobile eyes surround Computer vision kit as the preferred perception solution to project Apollo in project Apollo rather. Yeah, and by do wants to put it in buses a mass transit opportunity Numtots Yeah, this is this is interesting in another way too because you've got a Chinese company by-do working with an Israeli company Mobile eye, which is owned by an American company Intel Doing a multinational effort to make self-driving vehicles more reliable and safe Well good on him. Yes, exactly. I think it's a great idea. You're not against it I'm so glad if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines dot-com All right, the government of India is asking WhatsApp for help cracking down on irresponsible messages After at least 17 people were killed in mob lynchings over the last three months What's happening in a lot of these cases is a rumor of child kidnapping say starts to spread in WhatsApp groups people start taking things into their own hands and Attack and kill strangers. What's up has 200 million users in India and growing. It's a personal messaging app Remember, this is not a social network platform end-to-end encryption on what's that means Even what's that can't see what's being said on the platform between people unless it is allowed to become a member of a group which can happen sometimes but Also because it's a messaging app and and one thing for for people outside of India to understand as I have been Told by people in India not because I understand it myself is that WhatsApp is kind of a wake up and do it first thing For a lot of people there like it is used In a in a much more social network like way then then perhaps maybe you're used to using Messaging apps and people tend to believe what's being said to them though because it's a messaging app They're like, oh, well this actual person is saying to me. It's not it's not some government agency It's not some fly-by-night log. It's you know, it's a message You just naturally tend to believe messages more. So what WhatsApp is doing is Making it easier to leave groups and block people. They're planning some ad campaigns to help dispel rumors They're starting a program with law enforcement on best practices for using WhatsApp as a resource for community policing Labeling messages is forwarded from someone else so you can tell oh, it's not from them. They're sending it along from somewhere else But there's more that could be done pointer also has an article about a similar issue on we chat which is not end-to-end encrypted but there is a lot of Unverified information going around it's not leading to the same problems that we chat has in India But there are fact-checking Messaging apps on we chat cropping up to try to fight that there as well Justin and Sarah. I think one of the reasons I wanted to talk about this is With a messaging app you have the same problem that we talk about on Facebook and Twitter and elsewhere But with those the solution seems to always be will block the bad guys block the bad speech The platform needs to do something about it in a messaging app The platform can't do anything about it because that would be like saying tell people what they can and can't say to each other on the phone say Justin I think my first reaction is to compare this to Facebook and I know that what's up and and you know Facebook is is It owns what's up so but but there are Occasionally a message that gets to me on Facebook messenger, which acts mostly the same way You know where I'll be like why are you forwarding this to me? Like whoever sent this to me is you know, like this bad information or it's a hoax or whatever It doesn't happen that often if it happened more and it confused me more Then yeah, I can see where this sort of thing would be an issue And imagine imagine Sarah that you're not just getting a message from a person every once in a while You're in all of these groups. Well, sure Messaging instead of through a Facebook group page. Yeah, but I mean I'm in Facebook messaging groups 10 or 12 of us that you know, we have some sort of a common ground and you know, we talk about stuff But these what's that groups are bigger. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, and and I I'm sure there are some cultural Nuances that I'm not totally understanding where maybe in the country of India This would spread more widely than anything that I understand personally, I Think knowing where the source came from and adding Certain, you know, sort of metadata to two messages is a great first step for what's app I'm I'm somewhat perplexed as to why this particular app Seems to be fueling things that end in linchins of well I think the the issue here is that it's so popular and and I don't think that it should necessarily be so much of a surprise in countries where mobile internet is so gigantic because it's far more lightweight and Easy to consume then something that would you know require a more Graphically intensive, which is hard to think of Facebook is graphically intensive, but for the mobile web A chat just listing words words words words words is a lot easier Put it this way Facebook came from the desktop and had to adapt to mobile. What's that is native to mobile is native to mobile so the idea here is Tricky because you can't top down try to do it and believe you me I've been as skeptical as anybody about even Facebook's ability to top down tone down, you know Quote unquote fake news and stuff like that however, I do think that for issues like this as Unsavory as these acts have become I mean and if we're talking about 17 people killed that have Unverified levels of guilt and even if they have levels of guilt that this is being this is vigilante mob justice that is something that Needs to be addressed as a cultural problem. I would suspect the solution is something closer to If you see something say something so if you're in a massive group chat where things seem to be going Sideways that there is a way that at the very least you can loop in be it WhatsApp as a platform or WhatsApp can then forward these things on to Some kind of authority that could then at least be aware of the fact that a lynch mob was moving in to You know someone's house So at least the authorities could be looped in on stuff like this But it's a hard problem and it's one in which you're right to me Tom The first thing I thought of was like, okay Well, how does AT&T stop a murder yet? This murder we can see by records that this murder was planned on a cell phone and AT&T needs to do something about it That's something that we would find to be out of their control with what step you would think there's a little bit more But there's still just a platform at then to end in encryption, which is why they're popular to begin with I've been hammering on quietly in my corner for a long time that we don't know why or What the effect of a lot of this stuff is and until we just study that we don't really know if the proposed solutions Will have an effect this is an example of what I'm talking about because It's natural to think like well if Facebook can stop the bad things from being said they should stop them But what happens when they can't? And and that's what we're seeing with WhatsApp is WhatsApp would have to change its product and not be an end-to-end encrypted Service to stop it so they're forced and the Indian government is forced to try to figure out Well, how do we get people to stop doing the thing we want them to stop? Which is treating the actual problem not just the symptom and and I think Probably if if it is a big if they can figure this out Will be much more instructive about a how to combat these sorts of things Elsewhere than just saying well, you need to have better filters You need to have better blocks and things like that We need to figure out like how do you how do you get people to think more critically about stuff? How do you teach them like just because it's a message from someone on your WhatsApp group doesn't mean it's credible? That's a tall order, but it's what they're forced to do here Well, I think that the cultural the the I keep calling it cultural difference because I don't really know how to describe it if I'm on a you know a private group chat with us, you know it's you and me and Justin and Roger, you know and Tom and And we're all talking and I trust all of you It's like I will be more than willing to believe pretty much everything that you said to me because it's a small group And we've kind of vetted each other already the more people who are in any group No matter what it's about the less I Trust anything that's being said because that's just how the internet works in my experience So why is it that this sort of thing is gaining so much momentum? When people should kind of know that because that's how human behavior is I think it's a WhatsApp culture not an Indian culture thing at work here You know what's up the way it's used by two hundred thousand Indians Because I if I have this right and people in India, please write in and let us know why you think maybe this is going on I'm in big group a with thousands of people and I get these messages that come in from it And it's like oh, okay I'm gonna pass that along to my small group B and now it's you seeing me pass you a message You're like well, I'm gonna believe this because it came from Tom, but it's not really me saying it I'm passing it along from big group because I'm like wow, that's crazy Uh, and and so it's no different than what happens on Facebook Exactly, that's a thing The problem also exists on Facebook and add to that that there is a natural tendency when you get a direct message from someone To lend it more credence like you just said sure and this this creates that that system And sort of amplifies it but but if part of this is the groups are so big that this information And this idea is spreading harmfully then It's not just spreading inside the group though. I guess was the point I'm trying to but but but it starts Which means a lot of people see and so if part of this is we're putting out a address of somebody for whom bad stuff is is a brewing then I The the the answer to me is how much more quickly Can somebody mark out the fact that this information is there and how much how can we? Incentivize the idea that at a click you're not gonna be nobody will know you can just let people know Hey, this is getting into a dark place And I think somebody beyond this should know and if there's a platform level response to this I think that would be the move for what's that? And that platform is education. It's it's teaching people. Hey Somebody may have passed it along from the big group because they thought it was funny Or or maybe they're one of the few people who just didn't understand that it's not credible But once it gets passed along it starts to feel more credible You need to be more critical about that and and labeling things as being forwarded is a big part of that So it doesn't feel like oh, I'm telling you this is true Right You know, I haven't been to India in some time and there was no what's up the last time I was there So I really I cannot speak to India specifically But I will say anywhere else in the entire world besides China where it's we chat I mean, what's up is that's the way people communicate Anytime you want to have one-on-one group text anything. It's what's up So I mean this is this is huge network for people whether they're spreading false information or not And as Spire in our chat room says in India News media is not getting to parts of the country that it should and it's not trusted even if it does so that may be part of it, too Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit and you submit a lot of these kinds of stories And we love knowing what it is that you want to hear more about and have us talk about submit stories And also vote on other stories at daily tech new shed at reddit comm if you prefer to hang out on Facebook Or maybe you'd like to hang on both places great facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech new show is where to go We love getting your emails. They come through the internet in into our mailbag and then Sarah reads them. 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I never never really understood. I I know what it means, but I don't know Why it means that yeah, how did it get there? Yeah, and how I Want to know where bees knees came from Yep, I died I don't know Someone on the internet probably knows what does it mean like a bee? I think it's just it right you flex and I don't think it has anything to do with bees having knees It's sort of like not a literal thing All right, here it is Be Gary pollen back to the hive in sacks on their legs Attempting to explain this phrase as alluding to the concentrated goodness to be found around a bee's knee evidence to support this explanation Okay, so it was it began it began in 20th century America just a nonsense expression that denoted something that didn't have any meaningful existence I mean when you explain it, I'm like, oh that's cool But it's like how did that become just like a hey cool bees knees knowing that no one's gonna know what that Unless you're a beekeeper or some person Printed version of this was a May 5th 1914 edition of a Fort Wayne sentinel cartoon In which one of the characters said That uh, uh, his pet ate bees knees Oh Okay Our cultural touchstone. Hey Fort Wayne. That's where my dad's truck was built many many many decades ago In Fort Wayne, huh? Fort Wayne, Indiana I have never been there. It became very popular as a cool guy phrase in the roaring 20s Ah, you don't say I'll say Is uh apple knocker to refer to somebody who was rustic Oh apple knocker. It was never heard of apple. Did that come before after rubbe? Like your rubbe You're gonna make me look up the origin of rubbe too. All right. Well, I know what a rubbe is That's definitely a a But apple knocker, I've never heard I've heard of a war knocker, but that's a whole other thing I've definitely heard apple knocker before you have. Okay. Oh A long time ago. I wonder if we coexisted with hayseed Yeah, hayseed lasted longer though hayseed hayseed redneck and apple knocker I feel like are those are in the same family is wait. So i'm sorry apple knocker means Somebody from from out of town like somebody from a rustic from the sticks I see somebody from out of town showing your municipal bias there, justin Well, but okay from somebody who was uh from the former apple capital of california and and the us Uh, I take issue with this you would be What does it mean like? Oh, you're from that place where there's a lot of apples around You're a hick. You're a hoosier. You're an apple knocker. Well, you know what loud and proud man I Used to knock apples myself. Yeah It's nothing wrong with knocking some apples. They're delicious a bag of apples and throw them at people who cross you proud to be apple knockers That's right. That's right Take a red delicious to the uh, if no red delicious or not good apples roger I know that's why you toss them. They're good thrown apple. Yeah, I'm I'm like I'm an elite apple knocker I I like the envy apples and the um, what's the one that starts with the g Not the grainy The um, you're not talking about fugees. No, no, no, they're sweeter Uh gala Yeah, that gala and gala apples are really good gala and envy are my my picks gala apple gala and fugees Are my favorite and then graven steins are the best for pie Because they're not actually that sweet when they when they get cooked Yeah, like red delicious. I don't understand. They're just mushy always. They're they're they're they are they are an offensive apple I think they used to be better. I think they got bread Into graininess. That's why I could be making this up But I felt like I read that at one time red delicious were True to their name But then they got bread to be bigger and to last longer and it took all the taste out of them. Yeah Hmm But I also, you know people like a granny smith and I'm like granny smith is garbage too tart too tart Yeah, no good, but tart isn't bad granny smith is just a bad apple Oh Those are my favorite. I love granny smith and that's fine. I'm happy for you But I don't know why people like these awful apple strings. Well, I think what Sarah said That's like this is like the one thing that I'm good at is like Is apple stuff, you know knocking apples, you know grew up on an apple orchard. This is that's I don't I don't know anything except this is Like our like apple picking tours a thing out here Yes Not tours, but there are There are orchards where you pay to pick your own apples Well, because it was I never really knew it as a thing growing up in florida But when I went to school in the northeast it was huge It was like the thing to do in fall is to go to an apple orchard Sorry, so breaking news breaking news. Mike kepper has alerted me through slack Cobden, Illinois, uh high schools nickname were the apple knockers. That's definitely why I know that there you go That that was their nickname by rival school No, no, that was their they're you know, like highland bulldogs. They were the cobden apple knockers Oh, so it's not A disparaging thing. Well, no more than hoosier can be in the indiana university calls themselves hoosiers But it means heck I really liked that movie hoosiers. Yeah, good one Uh, you num taught you I believe under is suggesting a title or are you just I think I think Yeah, okay. Um, is that that what we're calling it? Uh, a couple of the other ones Covered the topic, but I thought maybe a little too dark. Gotcha. Okay, cool You num taught you you num taught you Cool done, you know when I first heard that or saw that I was thinking like oh, is it like a tater tot? Because you know, it's another taut thing or a taut lot So it's an acronym But what's a what's a num chuck? That's the thing brusley used to defeat his enemies. I know that it's a weapon, but what is it? It's it's the two Sticks with the chain in the middle. Oh, okay. Got it. Okay. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, if you're good at it Yeah, if you're bad at it then you get hit in the head yourself in the bed or the groin It makes for funny youtube videos Does it? Oh, yeah num chuck groin youtube No, no literally look for it and you'll laugh when you will most of them you'll just say ow, that looks painful, but you'll laugh Because it's self-inflicted Well, I I'm asking. Yeah, you will All right, all right, but you don't have a sense of humor then I can't help you Um, I partly this something tells me that you and I might Our senses our Venn diagram humor May may overlap but not completely I it's kind of weird I tend toward high brown humor, but my wife loves Fail army and I watch a lot of that because she watches it And over time I've slowly succumbed to the To that like oh, he tried to do it all and he fell on his balls or something It's funny how like I was just thinking about this the other day because I was talking to a friend of mine from high school and We used to watch a lot of Beavis and Butthead And I mean that to me it's like that's just the funniest thing in the world And it's not even really my kind of humor, but it was just so funny It was so stupid, but like it was so Yeah, like it was cleverly stupid, you know, we kind of laughed like what do what do we have that's like that now? And I'm sure there's things I just don't know about That's that's the problem I don't think that there's anywhere legally That you can buy the full Beavis and Butthead episodes with the video commentaries, which were always the best part Oh, yeah, right, right because of the the music clearances Oh But why doesn't mtv rerun that thing? I would watch it I think because of the movie clearances or the music clearances. Yeah part of it is just like really expensive to run Because there's there's there's a different license needed for Beavis and Butthead than for playing videos Right, right, right But that's why a lot of that mtv stuff isn't available or when you get the dvds It's all rubbed Of the of the music forever. That was why the state Uh, the sketch show it was on mtv which was very funny, which is hilarious Really, it was it had its moments, but most of it was pretty bad. No, it was funny You've been overruled two to two to one. That was like belly laugh humor The only one I thought was off the wall funny was a skit with the pudding and the trunk of the Cadillac Barry and LeVon Of course. Yes. No, Barry and LeVon. That was that was the uh, the you know with the trunk full of pudding Wait, come on. Tell me how i'm gonna i'm gonna dip my balls in it. Yeah I didn't want to say it, but Well, you know, yeah I I still remember that skit of like the other guy just being like, come on, you know, this is just like, you know He's just being really cheap, you know Jesus is just like he's going for the cheap laugh exactly Dug and his dad the cool guy Man, you you better Worst I shouldn't say the worst one of the most short-lived Skit sketch comedy shows was the ben stiller show Oh Brilliant, but it didn't last very long your last season. That was it. Yeah I think that was the one that got I think it got the emmy Uh, despite the fact that it was canceled When was this? Ben Stiller show had to be 94 94 So it's like before he was like a movie star. Yeah, this was Ben Stiller the cast was Ben Stiller Janine Garofalo Andy dick Yeah, where I first knew Ben Stiller Bob Odin Kirk and Janine Garofalo from Because a friend of mine introduced me to that show and then Introduced me to mr. Show because he's like, you know that guy from Ben Stiller show He's got his own deal now with his friend David cross. Yeah How about that? But yeah, no Ben Stiller show that was that was a classic. That was great um Speaking of how about that whatever happened to the cash me outside girl. She's still around. She's no no, she's uh Bad baby. Yeah music career. Yeah, but like I mean, I know she like had a couple songs, but These things tend to dip quickly. I hadn't heard of her in a few months. I didn't know if she She first she came Had a little spike in relevance because she got into the fight with the other tween Right, uh, the low vicky low vicky low vicky. Yeah, and then there was a little covered on the jury show Yeah, well, yeah We did talk about this but again. Yeah a month ago. I wasn't sure if it was I think last month I think time time just moves faster now, but uh, maybe it does But I yeah, I don't know because there's a lot of stuff now even with music and I consider myself fairly Up to date on on music and there's still stuff where you know that that that uh xxx station Uh, uh, can you get killed? Yeah I I literally I'm with you on this because I was like I've seen that written out Yeah, couldn't couldn't tell you anything about him. That's tragic. And then I heard one of the songs. I'm like, oh, I love that song Yeah, oh, it's him got it Yeah, I didn't know that and I and I these are like people that are like apparently A huge element of the sound cloud kind of rap scene I'm like right where I grew up which I'm normally like I'm more predisposed somebody's gonna I'm gonna listen to this on some level. There are many different channels. No clue so I don't know if bad baby is popping in these streets is what I'm trying to get at Yeah, she's she's she there's a tier. There are levels to this. Yeah, as they say I also, you know, yeah, there there are certain things that I really want to think of myself as like the coolest hippest always But somebody I'm on a group text somebody sent a picture of jay-z. We're in a helmet on a jet ski Yes, and it was like, you know that caption was like who's man's meaning like come get a man And I was like, I don't get this Like what what are we laughing at and everyone's like jay-z is wearing a helmet on a jet ski sarah And I'm like, I'm literally too old. I don't get these jokes anymore Yeah, I didn't know how to laugh. I was like, I don't know that looks safe. It seems like a very wise precaution Yeah, he's he's worth a lot of money A lot of people depend imagine the 401k's of his employees if he were They've precaution fiduciary Yeah But I also, you know, was scared the first time I wrote a bird scooter. So It's over for me All right I'm here to say I I am a love and embrace our new scooter overlords. I love them I hope I hope san francisco bans him permanently. So they stay in such abundance in oakland Thanks for joining us on the video if you're listening to good day internet on audio stick around there's more to come